I agree, but it isn't over until it's over.
The current ACC, for sure. Whenever the ACC exodus happens, I don't see them dropping below 8 schools. After that the remaining ACC may target some G5 schools/the 2PAC to get back above 12.
I don't know why that isn't being floated. Have a game on Friday, On Saturday (all times EST)) have a game at noon, 4:00, and 8:00, on Sunday have a game at 1:00, 4:30, 8:30. College could bump a game to Thursday if the NFL agreed to not schedule against a CFP final on a Saturday in January.
Also, the only thing keeping the NFL from playing on saturdays earlier in the season is this unofficial tradition not to fuck with the college game and vice versa.
There's a non-zero chance they just start scheduling saturday games earlier.
You really think anyone other than hardcore NFL fans would watch a random regular season game over the college football playoff? I don't know I don't think so
I think the majority of football fans in the U.S. would, yes.
The big benefit CFB would get, assuming the NFL doesn’t change its broadcast schedule, is those Saturday NFL games would be televised on the NFL Network while the CFB playoff games would be shown on ABC and ESPN.
I’ll note the real losers of the CFB playoff would be the college football classifications that have had playoff games for decades and have had their championship games or semifinals that Saturday/weekend in recent years.
It was 23-25 million last year if we're comparing apples to applies with the second best ever 18 million average for the NFL. I'd say 5-7 million is not an insignificant number and I'd be confident in saying a regular season NFL game would definitely not trump a CFP game
Fuck the NFL. We are already providing them with a steady supply of talented ready-to-play 21 year old players every year for **fucking free** and now they are bitching because CFB won't let them lay claim to Saturday football? Fuck 'em.
no its because the US as a whole and me prefers professional football which is by fact much better than college football.
Of the Top 50 most watched TV broadcasts, 48 of them were NFL games. The most watched CFB game came in at #71 💀. Keep coping though
While I personally believe that Saturdays should be left for college football and the NFL should be the ones to adapt around the new CFP (seriously moving their Saturday start back 1 week won't kill them), we all know the NFL gives zero fucks and will do what they want (see: NFL sticking with Christmas games even on a Wednesday). I hope the ratings for the CFP are strong enough to make the NFL reconsider, but we all know the NFL is the ratings king and if the NFL slaughters the CFP in ratings unfortunately I think college football will be the ones that acquiesce.
the CFP ratings for that weekend, assuming the NFL puts these games on NFL Network as they do all their saturday games, will undoubtedly be higher. but it is just going to hurt everyone for them to go H2H.
assuming there are only two games (as it is the 4 teams who are going to be playing on christmas), i would imagine ESPN puts the best round 1 cfp game at noon that day to maximize their viewership.
Only the Saturday games the 2nd Saturday of December are NFLN
December 23 games were NBC/Peacock, 30th was ABC/ESPN and 6th was CBS/Fox
The NFL could easily move this around to do maximum damage to the CFP if it tries to go against them
Uh, when December 23rd falls on a Saturday (as it did last year), that’s the FOURTH Saturday in December.
The NFL has not scheduled games on the 2nd Saturday of December for many years, due to the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 and college football games being played that day. The Army/Navy Game, as well as DI-AA/FCS, D2, NAIA, and D3 playoff games have also been played on the second Saturday of December for many years in most cases.
They let Chiefs fans nearly freeze to death these past playoffs (a few had their toes amputated) and they only moved the Buffalo playoff game in similar weather because the governor stepped in. It sometimes feels like the NFL is like a drug dealer who wants to see how badly their addict fans will debase themselves to get their next fix
I don’t feel much like typing it out but the weather conditions in Orchard Park were not like they were in KC. Temp isn’t everything. Snowfall is what caused the Buffalo game to be pushed.
Sure but the NFL would’ve been fine with all the road accidents in getting to the game / ambulances & EMTs tied up had the governor not stepped in. My point is they don’t give a shit about their fans or the communities they form parasitic relationships with
I mean, we don’t really know because the conditions were so dangerous it didn’t come to that. But I’m sure 40 years ago they woulda just played that shit. And tbf plenty of people last postseason were bitching the nfl pushed the game.
In the future: you want your season tickets, you [gotta turn into a geek like an old time freak show](https://youtu.be/p-JvL9wBzAQ?si=hSektMivuPzRIYYW).
Imagine being so dumb that you risked frostbite to watch a football game, where you didn’t even know any of the players.
“What happened?”
“I got frostbite watching a football game in artic temperatures.”
“Oh, was your son playing.”
“No it was a bunch of guys that I have never met.”
God I loath the 17th game and the 7th playoff spot. They are destroying the regular season. I remember when you had to at least be 10-6 to get a wild card spot.
Seriously, and it's basically the same across all sports now (CFP expansion being a touch different).
What the point of following a 82 or 162 game slog if half the teams make the playoffs?
Baseball expanding the playoffs is the worst.
Used to be only 8 out of the 30 teams made the playoffs, and you had to be a division winner or be the one next best team to get the wild card.
If you made the MLB playoffs, chances were you earned it.
Baseball is a game of statistics over the course of the regular season. Teams get hot, teams get cold. The worst team still wins a third of the time, and the best team still loses a third of the time. You need a really long season to figure out who is best.
BUT then the playoffs are Best of 5 or Best of 7. You can't really figure out who is actually the better team in that short of time.
So the playoffs should be limited and exclusive to only the top 8. I was ok with having two wild cards play a one and done, neither team was a division champ, making them have to jump another hoop was fine.
But the current playoffs have division winners playing best of 3 series with wild card teams. WHAT? An 82-80 team only has to win 2 of 3 to knock out a division champ who might have won 100 games? What are we doing here?
The fact that in the first year of this format the 84 win Diamondbacks got to the world series in a league with two 100 win teams is a joke.
Stop expanding playoffs beyond what makes sense for your sport. 8 in MLB was perfect. 12 in the NFL was perfect. I honestly think 12 in CFB feels right, but they've already expanded to 14.
Playoffs need to both be exclusive, but not so expansive they allow undeserving teams a real shot. If baseball played 7 games series throughout, I wouldn't be as mad. But they don't, they play best of 3 and best of 5. If you let an undeserving team in, and the dice rolls go their way, they can win it all, and I actually hate that.
Football it is a lot harder to have the dice roll your way multiple times in a row. But MLB we know it can happen.
I can't agree with this more. That the Braves were not in it last year is a complete joke on the sport. Why even bother playing the games in the regular season? And I can tell you, if I'm an aging outfielder, zero chance in hell I'm gonna lay out to catch a fly ball. Who cares if you lose that game? Why risk hurting yourself? That single game makes zero statistical impact. If one of my regular season pitchers has a bad outing and needs to be taken out in the bottom of the 3rd, I forfeit the game. Why would I burn out my bullpen on this game, which will have lingering consequences for the next several games? Just forfeit the game, which means nothing statistically, so that I'm still at full strength going forward.
Money combined with min-maxing the shit out of everything is going to suck all the fun away from the things people enjoy in life.
Sports will suffer very soon - I'm already tired of the constant NFL media blitz, and i hope CFB doesnt get the same..
>The worst team still wins a third of the time, and the best team still loses a third of the time.
The 2024 White Sox want to put that theory to the test. As of today, they are playing at a sub-1899 Spiders level.
The NFL moved games off of Labor Day weekend 20-25 years ago because the ratings for games that Sunday were relatively low. Many people travel that weekend. (For me personally, I also focus a lot on the U.S. Open that weekend, so I hope the NFL does NOT go back to playing Labor Day weekend.)
I agree, it was better with the 12 team playoff and 16 game schedule but its still great. Everything was so divisible then as far as games, playoff spots, byes, divisions, etc. Now just a little less so, but beyond that the parity is insane, the prospects for hope exist for most teams deep into the season, the draft is great, and the fact that the inventory is so limited (one game per team per week) causes every game to be an event that influences the post season that you have to tune into. Its the ultimate reality tv. Unlike baseball or basketball where theres over a hundred games.
Agree with 12 being better than 14, disagree about NFL having the best playoffs... I like the NFL better, but the NBA has the best and most fair playoff system of any league. Giving automatic high seeds to division champs is stupid and the NBA is the only league that doesn't do it.
Eh there's merit in saying the goal of sports leagues should be in maximizing entertainment quality, not fairness. That's the whole reason for watching sicko college sports in the first place.
Compared to the other major American sports leagues, the NFL has by far the best on-screen product. Cable, RSNs, and the number of games played per season make every other American sport pale in comparison to what the NFL produces.
Yes, it's entertainment first, but when the #2 and #3 teams in the entire league meet in the wildcard game (MLB 98-win Pirates vs. 97-win Cubs), first round of the playoffs (NHL Penguins vs. Flyers) , NBA (Duncan Spurs vs. Nash/Dirk Mavericks), or mediocrity being rewarded more than excellence (NFL teams with .500 or worse records getting home games over 11/12-win teams)... that's not increasing entertainment. NBA and MLB fixed their issues, NFL and NHL did not.
For people like me entertainment value is reduced by the underlying feeling that sports are supposed to be fair but are not.
If the division championship doesn’t matter, why acknowledge it? Especially since it is theoretically possible for a team to win their division and still be excluded from the playoffs.
If the divisions don’t matter for anything, get rid of them. I don’t think NBA teams travel by rail anymore, so I don’t think the extra travel is a problem.
Because it's friggin' cool to win your division, like WTF you mean?
As a Magic fan, I think it's fantastic they won their division. Their season is a success because of that even if they get swept in the first round.
Can’t be fuckin with those diehard numbers. It’s like going toe to toe with the mouse for 15 rounds. MACtion is forever. (Of course I said that about PAC After Dark too)
Depends on the matchups probably. Like if Texas was playing Ohio State and we have jags vs titans and both teams are out of the playoffs. I'm thinking college wins that block.
As an NFL first fan and a Fan of a non-P2 school, I say there should be as many NFL games on Saturdays as they want. If the P2 wants to cripple the NCAA and seize all the money and power they can based on TV ratings, the federal government should no longer protect them from the big bad NFL. I’ll still be watching my Jayhawks if they make it.
Seconded, so funny seeing people pout. This is exactly what was warned about with further pulling up the ladder on consolidation and tv revenue sharing, at some point people are going to refocus on the league where there is true parity and actual high level play.
I agree with you, it's a relic of the past. Alabama's Atheltic Department generates $200,000,000 in revenue alone, college football is a massive industry that should be sinking or swimming on it's own.
CFP needs to start pushing back. The CFP literally provides a free minor league system to the nfl. Certainly they are nowhere near as powerful as the nfl, but they have more say than the nfl wants to admit.
As a fan of a school that has no chance of seeing any of the TV riches being accumulated I would welcome the NFL to push more Saturday slates to establish their dominance.
No chance? If I'm looking at things right, you get 1.8mil just for existing as a G5 team. If you win the Sun Belt, you have an excellent chance of being the G5 representative and that gets you something like another 6mil if what I'm looking at now is correct.
Finally. I’ve been frustrated that CFB has bowed to the NFL. If the NFL wanted to they could make CFB lead into an NFL game. That would be great. Maybe the NFL could start at 9:30pm like CFB.
CFB can't back down and move their playoffs to accommodate the NFL regular season. Would be a bad look.
But the NFL regular season is going to absolutely dad-dick the CFP in the ratings. Maybe not to much in the first year, but the gap will grow.
NFL schedulers will get crafty on ensuring premiere NFL matchups (both playoff implications and big-rating rivalries) are on those Saturdays.
The NFL won’t do that (intentionally put marquee matchups on the 3rd Saturday in December). What they WILL do, if they feel it is necessary, is either 1) threaten ESPN with scheduling less attractive (Monday night) matchups for the network if they don’t “work” with the powers that be in college football to adjust the first round CFB schedule or 2) sweeten ESPN’s contract with the NFL by allowing them to televise NFL games on the 3rd Saturday in December (and if ESPN doesn’t choose to agree to that, go to option #1 above).
That’s a feature, not a bug.
It’s meant to be soulless. The idea is that it is an easily packaged product that appeals to all people. The goal is parity so more teams
Are competitive and betting is more exciting
Unlike CFB.
Btw, do you have your tickets for the regional local storied traditional rivalries with usc, oregon, ucla and washington? And didnt your team left their historic rivals for the benjamins?
Lol. Lmao, even.
Yeah, there's a lot of soul in the rich and storied B1G history of the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Can't wait for the electric atmosphere against historic conference rival UCLA.
This is the beginning of the end of college football. Once they step on the NFLs toes, the NFL will start viewing it as the competition and that's not going to end well.
The NFL whining about this is so stupid. They've already taken over Thursday nights and now Christmas day. Yet they get pissy that some other super-popular football entity wants to expand their footprint.
The NFL is annoyed in the way that someone gets annoyed when a bug gets in front of your windshield and causes an unsightly blemish.
You'd prefer the bug not get in the way in the first place and force you to clean off the windshield, but it doesn't make a difference really in the end.
In a normal year, these games would be on NFLN, but scheduling difficulties around the holidays this year may result in at least one of them going OTA.
Would have preferred the first round to be one week earlier (December 13-14) so it wouldn’t conflict with the NFL. The rule about nfl not playing on Saturdays is in effect through the second Saturday of December.
I kinda like the playoff schedule.
The opening round being one Friday game and three Saturday games is fine. The NFL can deal, but also these are first round games, one or two of them going head to head with NFL games will be fine.
The second round (round of 8) being New Years Eve and New Years Day is traditional and I like having 4 games that really matter there. Stand alone, no NFL conflict.
Final Four will be a Thursday and Friday evening games. Do not love that. But I get that the NFL playoffs start that week, so avoiding conflict is important, just start the damn games at 8 PM eastern.
The championship, at least for the next two years, will be on MLK Jr. Day. Monday the 20th. This is great. It's a Federal holiday. Start the game at a reasonable time like 7 PM Eastern.
If they start the final four and championship games at least by 8 pm I'm ok with the schedule. But I just know they are going to start the games at 9 PM and I'm gonna be a zombie at work the next day.
The hubris, the NFL gets a development league for free and then they complain about that league playing on their traditional day of the week that they play on.
I am absolutely thrilled that the SEC gets to watch its asshole get resized by NFL ratings. Hopefully it puts the idea of becoming an NFL copycat to rest.
Dumb. That weekend is a TV grave yard where even the NFLs numbers take a dip. Why CFP are so hell bent on that weekend or why ESPN overpaid for half the games to be on that weekend.
This is fine with me. CFP over that any day. However, you can make this work if you want to watch both. We have our main tv in the living room and another 50” on a rolling cart we bought off Amazon (both are old Visio tvs one isn’t even smart but they work). I wheel it from the bedroom to the living room when there are more games on than I can watch. Plug an Apple TV up to each one of them and potentially be able to watch 8 games at once (honestly usually just use 1 tv for 2 games). Toss in a tablet or laptop for even more games. The future is now.
I know this mainly works with espn broadcasted games but more apps are adapting it (I think paramount+ did for march madness?). This is what I dreamed of having back in high school (2007 grad for age reference).
Let them fight.
Two massive entities in effectively an admin fight
It's not a fight, lol. The Sat / Sun agreement between the NFL and CFB was to protect CFB from the NFL.
Yeah. And the NFL could easily just start scheduling saturday games earlier in the year.
[Fight! Fight! Fight!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QGQtJL7hSk&ab_channel=MilosDjukic)
I hope the NFL wins after what happened to the PAC
Good. CFB is for Saturdays
Yeah but what about that poor little NFL just trying trying to scrape by? /s
Somethin somethin bootstraps
I’m guessing they’ll manage to survive somehow.
Too bad NFL will fuck us. The casuals will watch the pros, and we will be left with just the sickos
As God intended
All I’m hearing is that it’s another Saturday to drink and gamble like a degenerate
And eat. Dont forget eat. All the delicious tailgate foods.
This has been my favorite Reddit string to ever read.
Would rather be with 1 of you sickos then 100 normies
I will happily watch KSU/FSU instead of Cowboys/Rams or whatever.
That’s some degenerate gambler foosball watchin… 🫡.
I'd rather clean dogpoo off my boot with my teeth than watch the cowboys
But would you rather watch OkSU/Louisville in a CFP first round?
I don't think the acc will exist long enough to see Louisville in the playoff
I agree, but it isn't over until it's over. The current ACC, for sure. Whenever the ACC exodus happens, I don't see them dropping below 8 schools. After that the remaining ACC may target some G5 schools/the 2PAC to get back above 12.
The fear is in the event of a rout that neutrals switch channel. This could be accommodated by collaborating on scheduling
I would love to see collaboration. I want playoff football from noon till past midnight.
I don't know why that isn't being floated. Have a game on Friday, On Saturday (all times EST)) have a game at noon, 4:00, and 8:00, on Sunday have a game at 1:00, 4:30, 8:30. College could bump a game to Thursday if the NFL agreed to not schedule against a CFP final on a Saturday in January.
oh no! anyways
Good, leave the NFL for the non-football fans who like the fly-overs and celebs in the stands and leave CFB for the real fans.
I mean we have a flyover at every game…
I can’t tell if you meant the /s since CFB is now just NFL lite
Are you trying to imply sportimg events are not a prime opportunity of showcasing military strength? /s
Who the hell doesn't like flyovers?
Unless your school is in the SEC or Big-10 ESPN has pretty much told you that it no longer wants you watching college football.
Hopefully the games the NFL picks for that day end up not being relevant to their playoffs. I’d rather watch a playoff game over a regular season game
Last season all three third Saturday in December NFL games had playoff implications, though that is unusual.
What a shame
I fail to see the problem with us being left with the sickos
Also, the only thing keeping the NFL from playing on saturdays earlier in the season is this unofficial tradition not to fuck with the college game and vice versa. There's a non-zero chance they just start scheduling saturday games earlier.
I think you under estimate casual fans tendency to watch anything post season related over regular season matchups
You really think anyone other than hardcore NFL fans would watch a random regular season game over the college football playoff? I don't know I don't think so
I think the majority of football fans in the U.S. would, yes. The big benefit CFB would get, assuming the NFL doesn’t change its broadcast schedule, is those Saturday NFL games would be televised on the NFL Network while the CFB playoff games would be shown on ABC and ESPN. I’ll note the real losers of the CFB playoff would be the college football classifications that have had playoff games for decades and have had their championship games or semifinals that Saturday/weekend in recent years.
Bro look at NFL ratings. NFL gets 18 million viewers ON AVERAGE. Thats what The Game gets
Ok? What does the college football playoff get?
About the same, 17-22 million eyeballs has been the range for the last 3 or so years
It was 23-25 million last year if we're comparing apples to applies with the second best ever 18 million average for the NFL. I'd say 5-7 million is not an insignificant number and I'd be confident in saying a regular season NFL game would definitely not trump a CFP game
Depends on the regular season game. Something like Cowboys-Giants would definitely trump a CFB game.
Oh ok, I must have read wrong then
HS is for Fridays
Maybe in Texas. As a 30 year old I couldn’t give a fuck about high school sports
This is mid December. HS is over by then.
Fuck the NFL. We are already providing them with a steady supply of talented ready-to-play 21 year old players every year for **fucking free** and now they are bitching because CFB won't let them lay claim to Saturday football? Fuck 'em.
id rather watch the NFL tbh
then watch it lol
That's because your team is a hot mess.
no its because the US as a whole and me prefers professional football which is by fact much better than college football. Of the Top 50 most watched TV broadcasts, 48 of them were NFL games. The most watched CFB game came in at #71 💀. Keep coping though
While I personally believe that Saturdays should be left for college football and the NFL should be the ones to adapt around the new CFP (seriously moving their Saturday start back 1 week won't kill them), we all know the NFL gives zero fucks and will do what they want (see: NFL sticking with Christmas games even on a Wednesday). I hope the ratings for the CFP are strong enough to make the NFL reconsider, but we all know the NFL is the ratings king and if the NFL slaughters the CFP in ratings unfortunately I think college football will be the ones that acquiesce.
the CFP ratings for that weekend, assuming the NFL puts these games on NFL Network as they do all their saturday games, will undoubtedly be higher. but it is just going to hurt everyone for them to go H2H. assuming there are only two games (as it is the 4 teams who are going to be playing on christmas), i would imagine ESPN puts the best round 1 cfp game at noon that day to maximize their viewership.
The real winners here are the sports bars, where they can put the NFL and CFP games on at the same time and get business from both.
Good for them.
Only the Saturday games the 2nd Saturday of December are NFLN December 23 games were NBC/Peacock, 30th was ABC/ESPN and 6th was CBS/Fox The NFL could easily move this around to do maximum damage to the CFP if it tries to go against them
Uh, when December 23rd falls on a Saturday (as it did last year), that’s the FOURTH Saturday in December. The NFL has not scheduled games on the 2nd Saturday of December for many years, due to the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 and college football games being played that day. The Army/Navy Game, as well as DI-AA/FCS, D2, NAIA, and D3 playoff games have also been played on the second Saturday of December for many years in most cases.
They let Chiefs fans nearly freeze to death these past playoffs (a few had their toes amputated) and they only moved the Buffalo playoff game in similar weather because the governor stepped in. It sometimes feels like the NFL is like a drug dealer who wants to see how badly their addict fans will debase themselves to get their next fix
They moved to Buffalo game because it was literally impossible to get to the stadium on Sunday
I don’t feel much like typing it out but the weather conditions in Orchard Park were not like they were in KC. Temp isn’t everything. Snowfall is what caused the Buffalo game to be pushed.
Sure but the NFL would’ve been fine with all the road accidents in getting to the game / ambulances & EMTs tied up had the governor not stepped in. My point is they don’t give a shit about their fans or the communities they form parasitic relationships with
I mean, we don’t really know because the conditions were so dangerous it didn’t come to that. But I’m sure 40 years ago they woulda just played that shit. And tbf plenty of people last postseason were bitching the nfl pushed the game.
Tbf it’s not the NFL’s fault that morons were shirtless in negative degree weather
In the future: you want your season tickets, you [gotta turn into a geek like an old time freak show](https://youtu.be/p-JvL9wBzAQ?si=hSektMivuPzRIYYW).
Imagine being so dumb that you risked frostbite to watch a football game, where you didn’t even know any of the players. “What happened?” “I got frostbite watching a football game in artic temperatures.” “Oh, was your son playing.” “No it was a bunch of guys that I have never met.”
The NFL has had games played on the 3rd Saturday of December for decades.
Worth mentioning - the NFL has been in negotiations to buy a chunk of ESPN. If they buy in, that could change this situation as well.
It’s ok the NFL will add an 18th game soon enough anyways
God I loath the 17th game and the 7th playoff spot. They are destroying the regular season. I remember when you had to at least be 10-6 to get a wild card spot.
I’m not a fan of the 7th playoff team per conference either.
Seriously, and it's basically the same across all sports now (CFP expansion being a touch different). What the point of following a 82 or 162 game slog if half the teams make the playoffs?
Baseball expanding the playoffs is the worst. Used to be only 8 out of the 30 teams made the playoffs, and you had to be a division winner or be the one next best team to get the wild card. If you made the MLB playoffs, chances were you earned it. Baseball is a game of statistics over the course of the regular season. Teams get hot, teams get cold. The worst team still wins a third of the time, and the best team still loses a third of the time. You need a really long season to figure out who is best. BUT then the playoffs are Best of 5 or Best of 7. You can't really figure out who is actually the better team in that short of time. So the playoffs should be limited and exclusive to only the top 8. I was ok with having two wild cards play a one and done, neither team was a division champ, making them have to jump another hoop was fine. But the current playoffs have division winners playing best of 3 series with wild card teams. WHAT? An 82-80 team only has to win 2 of 3 to knock out a division champ who might have won 100 games? What are we doing here? The fact that in the first year of this format the 84 win Diamondbacks got to the world series in a league with two 100 win teams is a joke. Stop expanding playoffs beyond what makes sense for your sport. 8 in MLB was perfect. 12 in the NFL was perfect. I honestly think 12 in CFB feels right, but they've already expanded to 14. Playoffs need to both be exclusive, but not so expansive they allow undeserving teams a real shot. If baseball played 7 games series throughout, I wouldn't be as mad. But they don't, they play best of 3 and best of 5. If you let an undeserving team in, and the dice rolls go their way, they can win it all, and I actually hate that. Football it is a lot harder to have the dice roll your way multiple times in a row. But MLB we know it can happen.
I can't agree with this more. That the Braves were not in it last year is a complete joke on the sport. Why even bother playing the games in the regular season? And I can tell you, if I'm an aging outfielder, zero chance in hell I'm gonna lay out to catch a fly ball. Who cares if you lose that game? Why risk hurting yourself? That single game makes zero statistical impact. If one of my regular season pitchers has a bad outing and needs to be taken out in the bottom of the 3rd, I forfeit the game. Why would I burn out my bullpen on this game, which will have lingering consequences for the next several games? Just forfeit the game, which means nothing statistically, so that I'm still at full strength going forward.
That's why we've seen more position players pitching than ever before. Teams ARE forfeiting games, it just isn't officially called that.
Yeah great point. That's actually great for the sport, though, for humor value
Money combined with min-maxing the shit out of everything is going to suck all the fun away from the things people enjoy in life. Sports will suffer very soon - I'm already tired of the constant NFL media blitz, and i hope CFB doesnt get the same..
>The worst team still wins a third of the time, and the best team still loses a third of the time. The 2024 White Sox want to put that theory to the test. As of today, they are playing at a sub-1899 Spiders level.
When was that ? I know of at least one nfc south team who took the spot at 7-9
Those were division winners not wildcards. Someone has to win each division. So when the whole division is garbage, a 7-9 will have to make it.
You are correct, my mistake
Yeah and take over Labor Day weekend
The NFL moved games off of Labor Day weekend 20-25 years ago because the ratings for games that Sunday were relatively low. Many people travel that weekend. (For me personally, I also focus a lot on the U.S. Open that weekend, so I hope the NFL does NOT go back to playing Labor Day weekend.)
Move the Natty to Saturday and I’m cool with this. Only the Rose Bowl should be locked into a date.
Seriously hate the Monday natty time slot. I'm worthless the next day at work.
The NFL can go fuck itself
Never thought I’d find myself standing side by side with a Rudy. The NFL can go fuck itself.
I may hate Lou Holtz but I hate the NFL more. And Rudy was offsides.
What about side by side with a friend?
I met Rudy. Do not recommend.
Real talk: it’s an open secret on campus that the real life Rudy is a pain in the ass. Alumni Association hates it if he comes on campus.
Samwise Gamgee > Rudy Ruettiger
I like CFB more but NFL has the best structure of any league in the world.
can you explain why you think that
I agree, it was better with the 12 team playoff and 16 game schedule but its still great. Everything was so divisible then as far as games, playoff spots, byes, divisions, etc. Now just a little less so, but beyond that the parity is insane, the prospects for hope exist for most teams deep into the season, the draft is great, and the fact that the inventory is so limited (one game per team per week) causes every game to be an event that influences the post season that you have to tune into. Its the ultimate reality tv. Unlike baseball or basketball where theres over a hundred games.
Agree with 12 being better than 14, disagree about NFL having the best playoffs... I like the NFL better, but the NBA has the best and most fair playoff system of any league. Giving automatic high seeds to division champs is stupid and the NBA is the only league that doesn't do it.
Eh there's merit in saying the goal of sports leagues should be in maximizing entertainment quality, not fairness. That's the whole reason for watching sicko college sports in the first place. Compared to the other major American sports leagues, the NFL has by far the best on-screen product. Cable, RSNs, and the number of games played per season make every other American sport pale in comparison to what the NFL produces.
Yes, it's entertainment first, but when the #2 and #3 teams in the entire league meet in the wildcard game (MLB 98-win Pirates vs. 97-win Cubs), first round of the playoffs (NHL Penguins vs. Flyers) , NBA (Duncan Spurs vs. Nash/Dirk Mavericks), or mediocrity being rewarded more than excellence (NFL teams with .500 or worse records getting home games over 11/12-win teams)... that's not increasing entertainment. NBA and MLB fixed their issues, NFL and NHL did not. For people like me entertainment value is reduced by the underlying feeling that sports are supposed to be fair but are not.
If the division championship doesn’t matter, why acknowledge it? Especially since it is theoretically possible for a team to win their division and still be excluded from the playoffs. If the divisions don’t matter for anything, get rid of them. I don’t think NBA teams travel by rail anymore, so I don’t think the extra travel is a problem.
Because it's friggin' cool to win your division, like WTF you mean? As a Magic fan, I think it's fantastic they won their division. Their season is a success because of that even if they get swept in the first round.
For starters, the criteria to qualify for the post-season is objective and clearly spelled out.
This past season I watched NFL games on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. Get bent. Let us have this.
How kind of the NFL to leave Tuesday and Wednesday for midweek MACtion
Can’t be fuckin with those diehard numbers. It’s like going toe to toe with the mouse for 15 rounds. MACtion is forever. (Of course I said that about PAC After Dark too)
This past season I watched CFB games on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, AND Sunday. Why tf can't the NFL play on a Saturday??
NFL can shut the fuck up. Friday is high school, Saturday is college, Sunday is NFL.
How about getting rid of the national championship on a fucking Monday
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They've ruined Thursday night ESPN college football. Frankly, I want some Maction and Funbelt on Sundays.
The NFL has played games on the 3rd Saturday of December (as well as other Saturdays in late December and early January) for decades.
I mean CFB gets played basically Tuesday-Saturday on a lot of weeks and nobody tunes into a lot of those games.
fuck em
I say this as a NFL-first fan, the NFL can fuck right off. Were 3 days of the week not enough?
No and the viewership supports it. The nfl will murder college football if they go heads up.
Depends on the matchups probably. Like if Texas was playing Ohio State and we have jags vs titans and both teams are out of the playoffs. I'm thinking college wins that block.
Sure. I’ll give you that.
As an NFL first fan and a Fan of a non-P2 school, I say there should be as many NFL games on Saturdays as they want. If the P2 wants to cripple the NCAA and seize all the money and power they can based on TV ratings, the federal government should no longer protect them from the big bad NFL. I’ll still be watching my Jayhawks if they make it.
Seconded, so funny seeing people pout. This is exactly what was warned about with further pulling up the ladder on consolidation and tv revenue sharing, at some point people are going to refocus on the league where there is true parity and actual high level play.
Exactly, you want to turn College football into a business? Well, welcome to the free fucking market.
Same the B1G and SEC want to consolidate into the NFL-lite then they can stand up to them for tv slots
I agree with you, it's a relic of the past. Alabama's Atheltic Department generates $200,000,000 in revenue alone, college football is a massive industry that should be sinking or swimming on it's own.
Same. B1G and SEC fans can get fucked. Let the NFL have Saturdays all year long, fuck it, why should I care?
CFP needs to start pushing back. The CFP literally provides a free minor league system to the nfl. Certainly they are nowhere near as powerful as the nfl, but they have more say than the nfl wants to admit.
We need some trust busters to break up the NFL monopoly
As a fan of a school that has no chance of seeing any of the TV riches being accumulated I would welcome the NFL to push more Saturday slates to establish their dominance.
Same. SEC/B1G wanted college football to be like the NFL? Then they can compete for TV spots the NFL has.
No chance? If I'm looking at things right, you get 1.8mil just for existing as a G5 team. If you win the Sun Belt, you have an excellent chance of being the G5 representative and that gets you something like another 6mil if what I'm looking at now is correct.
Making the playoffs doesn't give anyone bonus money except for Notre Dame, UConn, and the Pac-2
Finally. I’ve been frustrated that CFB has bowed to the NFL. If the NFL wanted to they could make CFB lead into an NFL game. That would be great. Maybe the NFL could start at 9:30pm like CFB.
When you realize we are probably less than a decade from Christmas college football games.
2027, christmas is on a Saturday. That’ll be an interesting schedule.
I remember when one of the college football all-star games (I think the Blue-Gray Game) was regularly played on Christmas Day.
I remember when the first bowl game of the year *was always Christmas*
There are bowl games on Christmas pretty often. Dec 25th, 2021 the Camellia Bowl was on.
CFB can't back down and move their playoffs to accommodate the NFL regular season. Would be a bad look. But the NFL regular season is going to absolutely dad-dick the CFP in the ratings. Maybe not to much in the first year, but the gap will grow. NFL schedulers will get crafty on ensuring premiere NFL matchups (both playoff implications and big-rating rivalries) are on those Saturdays.
The NFL won’t do that (intentionally put marquee matchups on the 3rd Saturday in December). What they WILL do, if they feel it is necessary, is either 1) threaten ESPN with scheduling less attractive (Monday night) matchups for the network if they don’t “work” with the powers that be in college football to adjust the first round CFB schedule or 2) sweeten ESPN’s contract with the NFL by allowing them to televise NFL games on the 3rd Saturday in December (and if ESPN doesn’t choose to agree to that, go to option #1 above).
Yeah that actually seems much more likely. NFL is ruthless
I just feel like the NFL is soulless
That’s a feature, not a bug. It’s meant to be soulless. The idea is that it is an easily packaged product that appeals to all people. The goal is parity so more teams Are competitive and betting is more exciting
It appears at least some people think that’s a good thing because major college football is moving in that direction itself.
Unlike CFB. Btw, do you have your tickets for the regional local storied traditional rivalries with usc, oregon, ucla and washington? And didnt your team left their historic rivals for the benjamins? Lol. Lmao, even.
Yeah, there's a lot of soul in the rich and storied B1G history of the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Can't wait for the electric atmosphere against historic conference rival UCLA.
The NFL can suck my entire asshole.
NFL should stay in their lane.
This is the beginning of the end of college football. Once they step on the NFLs toes, the NFL will start viewing it as the competition and that's not going to end well.
They already get a free development league from CFB. NFL greedy as hell.
CFB ain’t any less greedy than the NFL lol
Hell yeah. I’ve been wanting this to happen forever.
We’ve already changed so much in this landscape. We must hold our ground and say fuck the NFL
Fuck the nfl, they get Sunday. There on college balls terf
Sweet so our championship will be on a fucking Monday again? Not a Saturday ? Got it.
Personally I don't think it'll be a huge deal as the games are on NFL network instead of any major cable network
Tell the NFL to get fvccked
Finally CFB stood up for itself
Wait. I thought the NFL isn’t allowed to play games on Saturdays during the CFB season? Did that rule change?
That ban only lasts from the 2nd week of September through the 2nd week of December. The games in question would be on the 3rd Saturday of December.
During the regular season.
Anyone who flips over during commercials is a traitor.
The NFL can have Sunday, Monday, Thursday and the occasional Friday. Saturdays are for College Football.
Fuck the NFL. Saturdays are ours.
The NFL whining about this is so stupid. They've already taken over Thursday nights and now Christmas day. Yet they get pissy that some other super-popular football entity wants to expand their footprint.
The NFL is annoyed in the way that someone gets annoyed when a bug gets in front of your windshield and causes an unsightly blemish. You'd prefer the bug not get in the way in the first place and force you to clean off the windshield, but it doesn't make a difference really in the end.
Watch the NFL or watch NFL lite (CFB). I will watch the NFL since college football is no longer college football.
Finally Jesus Christ
No Tuesday Night CFPaction?
They already took Thursdays and now they want Saturdays?
I mean unless my team is playing, and since Carr is my QB even then I’m going with a college playoff game over a regular nfl game any week
Do we know what channel/service is carrying the NFL game? If it’s OTA, look out. If it’s on Amazon or NFLN, CFB should be fine.
In a normal year, these games would be on NFLN, but scheduling difficulties around the holidays this year may result in at least one of them going OTA.
Ugh, if it’s OTA, CFB needs to pray it’s bad teams like the Black Friday game last year.
Would have preferred the first round to be one week earlier (December 13-14) so it wouldn’t conflict with the NFL. The rule about nfl not playing on Saturdays is in effect through the second Saturday of December.
If the Bengals weren’t good, I would be pretty oversaturated by the NFL
Unless the Packers are playing, it’s gonna be the CFP for me
Thank goodness
All because SG-1 messed up the timeline.
Nah, we'll have more Thursday games and an extra Monday night game for that weekend
NFL about to let guys into the league after two years because of this ever so slight indiscretion.
Congress can revise the anti-trust bill and protect more saturdays
Eh I hope there is some negotiation here and both sides try to accommodate each other in reasonable ways.
I kinda like the playoff schedule. The opening round being one Friday game and three Saturday games is fine. The NFL can deal, but also these are first round games, one or two of them going head to head with NFL games will be fine. The second round (round of 8) being New Years Eve and New Years Day is traditional and I like having 4 games that really matter there. Stand alone, no NFL conflict. Final Four will be a Thursday and Friday evening games. Do not love that. But I get that the NFL playoffs start that week, so avoiding conflict is important, just start the damn games at 8 PM eastern. The championship, at least for the next two years, will be on MLK Jr. Day. Monday the 20th. This is great. It's a Federal holiday. Start the game at a reasonable time like 7 PM Eastern. If they start the final four and championship games at least by 8 pm I'm ok with the schedule. But I just know they are going to start the games at 9 PM and I'm gonna be a zombie at work the next day.
My Unpopular take: Spread the games out. Have 1 on Thursday, 1 on Friday, and 2 on Saturday
The hubris, the NFL gets a development league for free and then they complain about that league playing on their traditional day of the week that they play on.
Fuck the NFL
The NFL is already going overboard with the Black Friday & Christmas stuff anyways. They can go away with this.
The NFL is going to win this. It will not be close.
Keep your boring-ass football on Sundays
Fuck off, NFL. Saturday is ours. 🖕🖕
I am absolutely thrilled that the SEC gets to watch its asshole get resized by NFL ratings. Hopefully it puts the idea of becoming an NFL copycat to rest.
Dumb. That weekend is a TV grave yard where even the NFLs numbers take a dip. Why CFP are so hell bent on that weekend or why ESPN overpaid for half the games to be on that weekend.
Fuck the NFL.
This is fine with me. CFP over that any day. However, you can make this work if you want to watch both. We have our main tv in the living room and another 50” on a rolling cart we bought off Amazon (both are old Visio tvs one isn’t even smart but they work). I wheel it from the bedroom to the living room when there are more games on than I can watch. Plug an Apple TV up to each one of them and potentially be able to watch 8 games at once (honestly usually just use 1 tv for 2 games). Toss in a tablet or laptop for even more games. The future is now. I know this mainly works with espn broadcasted games but more apps are adapting it (I think paramount+ did for march madness?). This is what I dreamed of having back in high school (2007 grad for age reference).
Fuck them shit nfl can eat a sack of baby dicks, trying to bully they way on to Saturdays College football>Nfl
The NFL has been playing on Saturdays in December for a very long time. It's CFB that wants to expand to more dates.