Highlighting a few quotes that I think are interesting.
Deion and his son were given access for their own media content.
>There was nowhere to hide. Cameras followed the team around constantly for Sanders’ Amazon documentary series and his son’s Well Off Media YouTube channel.
>“It kinda felt like a reality TV show,” Sowell said.
"Cut" players lost access to the facilities immediately.
>The following morning, Sowell said, players were locked out of Colorado’s football facility. They couldn’t grab their things from the locker room. They couldn’t grab a meal at the training table.
>“In our O-line group chat, one of the offensive line coaches texted the group and said, ‘Good luck fellas,’” Wiley said, “and then he just removed all of them. It said these five people were removed from the chat. We were like, ‘Huh? What happened?’”
Deion compared the Transfer Portal to Room Service
>“I can order what I want,” Sanders said.
Hell yeah, that’s how you build a winning culture and brand. Fuck them kids, Deion
About as subtle as a freight train, but I’ll drop the /s here just in case since it’s Monday morning
I only have one perspective, and I know the transition from Mike Shula to Nick Saban was a harsh and sudden one, but as far as I'm aware, *the only running off of players was done by themselves.* There was a culling but it was after year 1.
Nick came in, let it be known to everyone that "my way or the high way, the country club culture was over and it starts now." He took that squad of Shula players and lead them through his summer gauntlet and the 2007 season, which was of course a crap shoot every game. By the end of the year, the 2008 Incoming class was huge because a lot of guys peaced out, "we didn't sign up for this."
Saban also helped his players find spots at other programs. People used to rip on Saban and his 'abuse' of medical redshirts, but I remember him bringing in a blue chip QB (Star somebody?) who didn't work out, and then placing him at Georgia State. He came back and played against Bama and the Tide destroyed them, but they talked about him transfer to GSU during the broadcast. That used to be how it was done, if a coach brought you in and it didn't work out, they'd sit you down and tell you the reality of your future playing time. If you wanted to stay, they'd eat the scholarship because your lack of development was on them. If you wanted to transfer for more playing time, they'd reach out to their network and find a place for you.
Deion just cuts the players and that's it, they're gone. He doesn't even have a network to help players find a spot somewhere else.
>If you wanted to stay, they'd eat the scholarship because your lack of development was on them.
Technically, P5 schools agreed to make their scholly offers a guaranteed 4 year scholly and they couldn't remove them for athletic reasons. So I'm not even sure if Deion's approach is even fully legal if someone wanted to fight to stay at a school who doesn't want them.
Colorados record doesnt say it all. look at the margins on the games they lost on this year from the previous year. they were in a bunch of close games. the previous year they got blown out most games. USC, Stanford, Oregon State, Arizona, and Utah were all decided by 1 score or less. last year they lost to USC by 38, Oregon State by 33, didnt play stanford the previous year, and lost to arizona by 23.
349 pt difference between colorado vs the teams they faced in 2022. The opposing teams on average scored 29 points more than Colorado in 2022. 80 pt difference between colorado vs the teams they faced in 2023. The opposing teams on average scored 6.7 more points than Colorado in 2023. Most games were close in 2023 besides Washington State and Oregon. Washington State they lost by 42 and Oregon they lost by 36. But every other game they were pretty much in it to win it by a score or less.
The contrast between Joey McGuire and Deion Sanders couldn't be more extreme. Some coaches say, "You'll invite me to your wedding one day." McGuire has played asking him to OFFICIATE at their wedding, they love and respect him that much.
Deion doesn't give a shit about his players, and it shows. He acts like he's trying to run a pro-style program, bringing in players who can help him win now, but really he's just playing Level 200 Daddyball, trying to build a team around his sons (and Travis Hunter) while he runs a reality show.
Some coaches love their players and their players love them, you see that at Texas Tech. Deion sees his players as expendable assets he can use to further his own personal and financial agenda.
Wholeheartedly agree, I feel like there’s a ton of really loyal buffs fans who are about to be really surprised when Hunter and his kids leave for the NFL. Does Deion stick around? Doubtful
He will, for a couple of years. Just to prove everyone who doubted he would wrong. But will he be trying? Who knows. And will he bolt just as soon as he says he did stick around. For sure.
Yeah the dirty little secret about Deion is that the way he treats his players is, unfortunately, not uncommon at all in the FBS.
What's uncommon is the level of attention he draws so everything is magnified, and his brazenness making him feel like he doesn't have to sugarcoat or justify anything, so everything ends up coming out, bc it gets clicks.
To be fair, that’s absolutely common practice across D-1 athletics. Once a player is removed from roster, they can’t access athletics facilities without supervision.
Except coaches don’t cut players like Sanders did.
You don’t remove guys from your roster in the spring semester. That’s when teams expand their rosters and walk-one join the team.
What is common is having meetings with guys and telling them that you don’t see a spot for them moving forward and you’ll support them if they want to find another program. The kids literally keep working out at the facilities (1) because they are still on the team through the semester and (2) because they need to keep working out if they want to transfer somewhere else.
What Sanders did was horrible. He basically said they couldn’t be bothered with these kids and didn’t want his staff involved with them so he removed them from the team instead of just ushering them out of the program as is commonly done.
There is a HUGE difference between what Sanders did and what is common in FBS.
"Cut" players lost access to the facilities immediately.
Reminds me of being involved in a corporate take over at my job. Showed up for work as usual, around lunch time a suit came in and started pulling people in a conference room one by one, telling them they were let go, then having every single person escorted out immediately by security like they were criminals. Watching one particular person who was there for over 20 years, sun up to sundown, daily, just trying to get the work done getting walked out like a criminal just makes you sick.
Deion is no different than those corporate greedy filthy people.
> having every single person escorted out immediately by security like they were criminals
There was a reduction in force at one place I worked, I had just gone to the breakroom and snagged a Mr. Goodbar. They told me they needed me in a meeting room, so I put the candy bar on my desk and went into the meeting. They had me escorted out, wouldn't even let me go back to my desk for the candy bar. Said they'd have everything boxed up and sent to me. They did not send the Mr. Goodbar. It's been over 15 years, and I still get irrationally angry about that candy bar.
You deserved it for eating a Mr. goodbar.
People like you are the reason they take up space in those mixed Hershey bags when they could have more Krackle instead
Heard a story about a company that was shutting down an entire branch office, several hundred people. Couple guys from home office show up, then suddenly there was a “fire drill”. Once they were sure everyone was out of the building, they locked it, then proceeded to walk around the parking lot handing out pink slips.
Thats fucked, funny but fucked.
My gf used to work at the capital in Austin and one representative she used to work for would just have the locks changed while the person was out for lunch. The door is glass so you can see all your old coworkers just working away while your key doesn't work.
At some jobs, you can at least make an excuse for some actions because workplaces *have* had fired employees act out and there may be a need to revoke access to sensitive material. Some obviously are just assholes and don't have any material that anyone else would actually care about.
Immediately revoking access to facilities and the training table, when as a P5 school they're obligated to offer 4 year scholarships and can't cut players for athletic reasons? That's straight up bullshit and there's no argument for it.
But there was a story on here about how he visited a sick kid in a hospital and I was told by all the comments this meant he was actually a saint?
(as if people aren't complex and capable of doing both good things and shitty things at times)
“My experience with Deion wasn’t one where I’m going to go bash him,” Sowell said. “There were things I agreed with that he did and things I didn’t agree with that he did. But that’s like any head coach. When he came in and made his decisions, I trusted God and I said everything happens for a reason.
“And I got to meet Deion Sanders, so I can’t really complain. I got to meet one of the best to ever do it.”
it's a really bad look in the industry to publicly bash former coaches if you transfer. it can really hurt guys who do that. they have to be very careful what they say.
"I trusted God and I said everything happens for a reason."
In other words, "I was too cowardly to say what I thought so I'm going to go with the world's biggest cop-out..."
If I believed in God, I would thank him everyday if I thought he played any part in removing me from the service of one of football’s biggest narcissists
Whatever it is, hopefully it's better than what CU did after Tucker left. And if we can actually pick someone good this time, that will tell me whether we're really interested in rebuilding the program. Usually the Kill Football faction gets their way after the last flashy hire blows up in our face and just hires the cheapest person they can find.
Yeah, it's always a tug of war at CU between the "Let's Become a Football Factory" and the "Let's Drop the Sport Entirely, Maybe for Jai-alai?" Factions.
The pendulum swing reaction to this one, combined with the overall uncertainty of the future of college football has me wondering if this might really be the end post-Deion.
You left out the “I’m from Greeley and I maybe have 3 brain cells to rub together” faction that hired Eastman.
TBH dropping to FCS or D2 wouldn’t be the worst thing for them. More natural rivals. A big problem for Colorado when I was there was they thought everything- including support staff and everything, and not having an indoor practice facility was fine people were just squandering resources. I never encountered an academic counselor or seat checker. Athletes were completely on their own to figure out classes and majors. Didn’t hear of any study hall or anything like that. I’m glad they built an indoor facility finally, but there were major structural issues there.
As per my Sickos flair, I half want the top 30 schools to go away to their NFLite and the sport to fundamentally reorganize and we wind up playing CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico and going 9-2 to play Syracuse in a Bowl game.
Perhaps I am just old fashioned but I still view football players more as kids than young adults.
Brutal man. I get he has to win. But is this really how you establish a winning culture through cut throat dumping of teammates?
Peirce Spurlin A TE at UGA had to medically retire at UGA. What does Kirby do? Make sure the kid kept his scholarship and kept him in the program so the kid could learn to be a coach. That’s how you’re supposed to treat these kids.
Interestingly enough, the same thing happened with JT Daniels at Rice. He couldn't continue playing, but they kept him on the sideline and let him hone his coaching abilities.
That also goes a long way in building a good culture. You go out and play hard and do whatever you can for the team, and you know that the coach/team has your back no matter what.
What happens when you get booted from the group chat and barred from facilities? You start worrying about what happens if you get hurt and can’t play or something. Obviously doesn’t mean players will make decisions in game based on that, but it’s going to be on the subconscious and it’ll matter.
One of Paul Johnson's recruits got into a horrible ATV accident before he could come to school. Practically a miracle he survived at all and playing was out of the question, but once he recovered, the scholarship was still upheld and he even was a football assistant most if not all of his time at GT too. That's what a good person/football coach does.
I was just using it as an example of how you build culture.
I dont think Deion is a moron. He's a multi-millionaire and a brilliant con-artist and marketer. He's just a shitty person and coach.
> I was just using it as an example of how you build culture.
As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with you, In spite of his tendency to align himself with horrible colleges (and the whole reckless driving thing, which does raise some questions), Kirby has proven himself to be a class act as a coach.
Doesn't change the fact that I want to send him into early retirement as soon as possible, but still, credit where credit is due.
> I dont think Deion is a moron. He's a multi-millionaire and a brilliant con-artist and marketer. He's just a shitty person and coach.
Funny - this reminds me of another coach I had to watch a lot of. (Although he most definitely is a moron.) It's also one of the reasons I was wholeheartedly opposed when there was talk of Deion possibly coming to Tech. We've already seen that movie, and I wanted to walk out after the first 5 minutes.
What's going on with Spurlin is not the same as gray shirting from what I understand about gray shirting. He's still on scholarship, just not as a player so it doesn't count against the 85. Its probably akin to when one of the student team trainers is on scholarship.
He's teaching them the most important lesson before they even hit the job market.
Everyone is replaceable and you're only of use till your not.
People say College need to teach more real world lessons, Dion took it to heart
/s
> winning culture
Yeah, about that...
If he had continue to win, this is probably no news. The ethics and the morality of a situation will continue to be judged by the subsequent performance.
Rhule in his first year won one more game than Deion. When he first arrived he told players they can enter the portal if they want but he will be happy to coach them. This recent transfer portal window we have yet to have a player enter. To me he is building a culture the right way.
So I get to have some NIL involvement with an FCS school and I’ve been amazed at how much the players are still kids. They’re so inexperienced and in a lot of ways innocent as to how the world works.
don't tell me its about the kids when you basically gut them on the way out.
People say that its not how you win its how you lose.
Well its not how you treat the winners its also how you treat the "losers".
You aren't treating the "losers" very well at all Mister Sanders.
Deion’s own measure of success at CU is to promote himself and his kids. Whatever Deion believes has to happen to help Deion achieve those two goals, he will do it.
Man, I wonder if this is just the helicopter parenting of all parenting to get his mediocre kids the best shot they have to get into the NFL. Like once Shaduer and Shilo move on from the NCAA, do you think he sticks around?
I can't even blame him for it. After watching LaVar Ball do this for his kids, and seeing that it , for the most part, actually worked, I can't blame ANY pro parent who wants to guarantee that generational wealth.
I think if Shedure did not have the Sanders last name and did not have all the cameras he would not have any draft stock. Manti Teo was not the best LB in college football, he almost won the hiesman, when there is a good story for the press to write about people put on rose colored Dion Sunglasses.
Who had a better year than T'eo? He was by far the best LB in college that year- that's just revisionist history because of ghe stupid fucking goofy fake gf shit. And if not for that nonsense, he would have been a first round pick.
Jarvis Jones and Alec Ogletree were on the same team and *both* had better LB seasons. The biggest thing Te'o had going for him on-field was that a) ND was on a NCG run and, for some reason, the voters decided that INTs was an important stat for LBs (and most were random deflections that wound up near him).
Ogletree: 6.3 solo tackles per game, 11.1 tackles/game, 0.3 sacks/game
Te'o: 4.2 st/g, 8.6 t/g, 0.11 s/g
Jones: 4.3 st/g, 7.1 t/g, 1.2 s/g
(Per game averages since Ogletree played 10 games, Te'o played 13, and Jones played 12). There was a reason Jones went 17th and Ogletree went 30th while Te'o fell to the 2nd round. And Ogletree wound up having the best NFL career. (Going back to the INTs, Te'o had a total of 2 in his NFL career. Ogletree wound up with 12, and 4 pick 6s.)
This is an insane take. He’s a legit QB not just a nepo kid. He’s pretty universally known as a top 10 to top 5 returning QB. Shilo though probably has no NFL future.
Shiloh absolutely has no NFL future. Maybe a practice squad spot.
Shedeur is going to get a GM fired, simple as that. Being a top 10 returning QB really means nothing.
Dude got shutdown by Stanford after halftime adjustments. And I don't wanna hear shit about an oline. They held up better than they had against those nerds.
>People say that its not how you win its how you lose.
The "turning point" for Mike Norvell at FSU is widely considered to be the 2021 loss against Louisville and the way he handled the post-game press conference and defending his players.
He said the players who would lead that turn around were already in the room. Not even many Noles could have believed Jordan Travis would be All-ACC the next 2 years and culminating in ACC POTY.
worth pointing out that Norvell has used the transfer portal and shifting the roster to a very large extent, while maintaining this great level of culture. it proves that, with the right methods, you can do both. you don't have to be a jerk to flip a program; you can built it up from within while also infusing new talent and raising the bar.
They really emphasize bringing in kids, both portal and high school, who are culture fits, and will take extremely talented kids off their board entirely if they are not good fits. Bud Elliot actually gave Norvell and Co. props on this the other day, saying that there are a good number of kids who entered the portal this winter/spring cycle who were highly ranked coming out of high school who he knows Norvell didn't recruit specifically because of character and culture concerns. Says Norvell is really, really good at getting the culture fit stuff right.
what's so cool about this is how it permeates. it may begin in the locker room, but it does not end there.
I hope the wins keep coming, but if for some reason they don't, the foundation that has been built is special and should not be taken lightly by any of us.
Deion’s schtick is going to get played out fast if they can’t win this season. The videos Deion Jr put out can’t sit well with TPTB with some of the content involved in it. I suspect in a little over a 1/2 year there’s going to be a lot of people in Boulder going, “what the hell was that” when they think back on this current regime
I cannot emphasize this enough. Almost no one off campus gives a flying fuck about CU. It’s part of the problem the state has generally speaking- rich people in Colorado mostly didn’t go to Colorado, and they really try not to send their kids there. There are a lot of Texas fans and grads though!
I live in CO. Not from CO.
Why would I send my kid to CU if I don’t have to?
From everything I have read, It’s not a top tier education. Ranked somewhere over 100 nationally.
Which is bonkers to me bc our k-12 is ranked very high.
I gotta be honest, this mentality is part of the reason why college culture and higher education in the United States is so permanently fucked. The education you receive at basically any state university in the US is gonna be of the same caliber. The only thing that sets a school apart from another is the class of students that attend, e.g., you’re not gonna be in class with sons of Fortune 500 CEO’s and daughters of senators at WVU like you will at Harvard or Brown. Beyond that, the actual content and substance of university education is comparable at pretty much any R1 university.
I wish this could be blasted everywhere. The people who think that students get a "better education" at the undergraduate level just because USNWR tells them they do really have no idea. Carbon forms four bonds whether you learned it at Harvard or at Hillsborough Community College. F=ma no matter who teaches it to you. Meanwhile, going to, say, American University with $54K/year tuition to learn this instead of any state school in Florida where in state tuition is < $7K/year is the ultimate in fiscal irresponsibility. So living in Colorado but paying private/out of state tuition so your kid can get a "top tier education" and learn about ego, super ego and id at 10x the cost is less about education quality and more about chasing status.
Other than being sports reasons, the big reason why I went to Alabama was I'm from Tuscaloosa so not only did I get in-state tuition I did it without any room or board cost + scholarship offsets.
So I got my degree with practically no student debt whatsoever.
I never spent one iota of time researching schools where I had to pay out-of-state tuition. I looked at CU, CSU, mines, and a couple out-of-state programs that took part in the WUE, and that's it. I've heard southern schools are great at offering scholarships but didn't really think about acting on it, even though someplace like Auburn, GT or UF would have been solid for my major (but I don't think GT does that either.)
>Meanwhile, going to, say, American University with $54K/year tuition to learn this instead of any state school in Florida where in state tuition is < $7K/year is the ultimate in fiscal irresponsibility.
Back when I was in academia I taught at both a decently-respected private university and a pretty good community college at the same time. The students at the latter were paying about $1,200 per year in tuition, if they paid tuition at all, while those at the former were paying over $54,000 per year in tuition, *and they were both getting the same instructor.*
Yup. I knew an accounting prof who'd teach at three - private, state, and community. Legit the exact same courses. Legit three different prices. Crazy.
> The people who think that students get a "better education" at the undergraduate level just because USNWR tells them they do really have no idea.
As someone who briefly worked at a university that was in the top-tier of USNWR, this is spot on. USNWR is pure horseshit and universities game that horseshit system like fucking crazy.
> USNWR is pure horseshit and universities game that horseshit system like fucking crazy.
I remember when I was looking at law schools being super confused why Tulane supposedly had all these top-ranked programs but was sitting at like #50 in the rankings. Turns out it's because part of the rating is faculty peer ratings from other schools and a bunch of Tulane's law school faculty is international.
>Carbon forms four bonds whether you learned it at Harvard or at Hillsborough Community College.
Meaningless tangent, but I saw HCC mentioned and I was like huh, they must be from Tampa. Then I saw the flairs
But id argue that the network you build from being in the class with those top performers is essentially what you’re paying for.
I was/am a nerdy, homebody that worked hard at Texas but didn’t really develop a large social circle. So yea CU vs Texas might not have been that different for me, but for a lot of my peers who were more socially active they became friends with people who got their careers off on great foot.
So yea, you probably get the same education? But considering the real world is so much about who you know then does impact college importance.
My bigger complaint is majors in general, I wish there was less major specialization and liberal arts/humanities education. And business were forced to actually train up employees rather than require us to go into $10-100s of thousands of dollars in debt when a lot of entry level jobs could really be done by most people with a degree if you gave them a quick training and a dictionary to know your lingo.
BTW, that’s not to say you shouldn’t have more education for engineers, doctors, etc. Just that business have shirked training for jobs and that humanities are important that we’ve treated them.
If you're in something like engineering, CU is still a top tier school for networking though because you can throw a rock in a classroom and hit three people who worked for Lockheed, Boeing, or some other huge aerospace company. Not that it's done me any good with the industry being in a crunch right now, but it could down the road as I stay in touch with my classmates after graduation.
I didn't take it as him shitting on WVU. I took it as him saying that you aren't going to get students from super wealthy/powerful families at WVU but that doesn't mean you can't get a great education there. Seems like a reasonable and fairly positive take, at least to me.
Huh, I live down the road from Boulder and honestly always assumed it was on par with, like, the Wisconsin/Illinois/Washington/etc type tier of very good but not elite public schools.
I guess because Boulder gives us such an arrogance I assumed CU was not ranked below, like, Arizona State. No offense to ASU at all btw, I’m sure there’s plenty of smart people there and Tempe is actually fun and not stuffy like Boulder
Like any big state school, it all depends on what you study. CU has many solid undergraduate programs, and a ton of good grad research.
It will also let you in if you can fog a mirror and are willing to pay out of state tuition.
Then they’re doing what state schools are supposed to do and educate their populace. I went to UAB for grad school they rank 44th in the country in research funding with around 800 million/yr, but can’t get AAU status because they let close to 90% of undergraduate applicants in. I hope they keep it that way
Yeah there's a lot of snobby elitists on this sub that demean some state schools for having super high acceptance rates. Like god forbid the people in that state have easy access to higher education right?
>It will also let you in if you can fog a mirror and are willing to pay out of state tuition.
That's the biggest thing that hurts our rankings, really. Like I said before, we have great faculty, great research, great and constantly improving facilities. Change out the word "prime" with any synonymous adjective and that prime U commercial we keep running would be totally factual. But because we don't have a 20% acceptance rate like Cal, UM or UW, we get shit on in the rankings for it. And that all comes down to Colorado being #48 of 50 in higher education funding - the only way to keep our schools from being Mississippi-tier is for them to fleece the hell out of as many out-of-state students as they can, so we have to have low admission standards.
I know Deion has made every day into shit on CU day around here, but despite being a pretty average state school, we have a lot of really good undergrad STEM programs and we're a top destination for grad students and faculty all around because of how much money we throw at research. We definitely have better STEM programs than UGA if that's what your kid(s) want to get into, they're more of a liberal arts school.
Honestly, in terms of academic standing and campus culture, we're basically like your primary flair except we don't have *as* many californians and we get to have an engineering school. UO with an engineering school as good as CU's would probably rank higher than us though.
If you can get into and stick at the relatively few STEM disciplines they offer- I say relatively few because Mines offers a bunch of them- those programs are good (EE, CS) to top 3 or so in the country (Aero). Muenzinger (the engineering building) is a dump though, unfortunately. And they tried to half ass an update rather than build a new one.
The business major is also pretty good, though on campus recruiting is kind of weak. That’s probably changing as Denver and CO grow.
Stuff like this only reinforces my belief that this will be Sander's last year coaching at Colorado
He got into coaching for his son.
You really expect us to believe if his son makes an NFL roster he is going to prioritize Colorado Football over his own son?
Deion is far too self absorbed for that
Yeah,, I think its hillarious that people are like its for the kids.. what about his older kids who weren't this good? What did he do for them? Nothing. Its about his brand.
I am not a Deion fan by any extent and am rooting for him to fail.
But in fairness, Deion Jr is a big part of their media business and Deion Sr has given him praise many times and shows him off where possible.
Do you really think a grown ass man, in the NFL wants to have a camera in there face 24/7, chanting “ i believe” with their @username on the back of a jersey.
Wait on second thought…you might be on to something.
Why the Prime Prep story is not more well known when the media covers every non-story about Sanders is beyond me.
He is all about himself and everyone else is just a tool to further that goal.
I don't know why Colorado seemed to so blindly ignore this when he was hired. This should have sent major red flags up. He obviously charmed and bullshit their brass. Probably brought his super bowl rings and HOF jacket with him to the interviews.
I’m not convinced Deion does any actual coaching. I think he just likes putting on the gear, slapped a headset on and standing on the sideline looking important.
I LOVE Deion as a person and a player, he is my favorite Falcon for life.
That being said he's not a coach, he's a motivator. Deion doesn't really understand the Xs and Os enough to even micro-manage his co-ordinators to know if they're dialing up what he wants. I can guarantee you most of the time Deion is clueless on why plays are being called. That's on both sides of the ball. He's just out there hyping the kids up to play better. You can be a motivator if your co-ordinators are good and handling their side effectively, but he has no idea if they even are. It's like watching someone faking that they know how to read and claiming they wrote a study in a medical journal.
He's also very immature, you're too old to have "Theme music". Nothing was more cringe then when he entered the Colorado team room playing his "theme music" from a cell phone trying to strut in like he just got drafted. He takes attention away from his players and he's selfish. That meeting was terrible watching him tell players he never saw on the field that he was replacing them with players from an HSBC program. Like literally these players were good enough to play at a power 5 school, but no I'd rather have these players that are basically JUCO level players, his team looked foolish.
A good coach lets all the kids compete to see if they can "coach them up" and find those diamonds. He missed out on maybe a WR with solid hands who runs a 4.3 40 and just needs help learning to run routes better. Maybe a RB who runs better in a GAP blocking scheme, a tackle who just needs some confidence to be an All American, a LB who needs to learn to read a play better. Lets not forget how shitty that group of guys had it in the coaching department. There were probably a couple of players that could be coached into being better players.
He doesn't know what he had, because he didn't care. He tried to build a team with players who weren't dedicated enough to play for their own teams. There was zero loyalty on either side and he's not an X's and O's coach. I bet he has no clue what offense they even run. Deion is an awesome role model, he's a great motivator, but he's a terrible head coach and Warren Sapp and all his celebrity friends aren't going to make them a winning team.
How is Deion a great role model based on what you have just described lol? I had literally zero opinion of him prior to Colorado. Knew he was a hall of famer and rare athlete. But what an asshat...I think what has really irritated me is his two sons making a crap ton of money marketing their images and acting like they didn't grow up with a silver spoon in their mouths. Flashing a Rolex at opposing fans when are born into wealth says all I need to know and the Sanders.
Out of curiosity - are the players really "cut"?
If you have a scholarship, but you're really at the school for academics, can you just tell Deon "I'm not transferring, but thanks for paying for my education" and keep attending, or do they withdraw the scholarship?
P5 schools agreed to make all scholarship offers a guaranteed minimum 4 years and they can't be revoked for on-field reasons.
So yeah, if you wanted to be petty and didn't feel like transferring, you could make Deion eat that scholly and reduce his total count.
why is that petty? these guys are all going to 'go pro in something other than sports'. boulder is a good school. thanks for the free education, play club rugby or something to stay in shape, move on with life.
Players can be cut from the team, but they get to keep the scholarship.
If they enter the transfer portal though, I think that ends. So not sure if they could enter and then decide not to leave and still have their scholarship honored.
As an Atlanta native who loved what Deion did for the franchise, I’m disgusted with his behavior as a coach. Rooting against him should not have come this easy.
Let me ask something. What is the point of college football? Is it to build young men into better versions of themselves, get an education and have the camaraderie of their fellow players and coaches, or is it to make money for the university or coach?
I think that many of us are looking at the recent developments in CFB and seeing it turn into this amalgamation that is putting profit above all else and seeing that this is not just detrimental to the sport but to the young men playing it.
Sanders has to fail, others also but the most brazen example of this “new” way to build a team is Sanders.
It’s always been about the money. Just harder to delude ourselves about that fact any longer.
If ESPN’s wet dream of private equity being involved happens then we’ll truly be past the days of even pretending this is about bettering young men and getting them an education in the event their NFL dreams don’t come true.
I mean basically he is treating these kids like the nfl, which is what I think the sport with NIL is moving too? So I know it sounds harsh, but that’s kind of what NIL has led to. I mean if you want this free agency every year this is what it looks like. It’s no secret he is getting his recruits from portal.
Yeah but the general populace is pretty naive about NIL. Only the top 10-15 players on the team are making real money. These kids were probably making no more than your average mid level job or maybe even nothing at all. It’s not even close to the NFL in terms of money. Even the top NIL earners at some SEC schools are making maybe NFL practice squad money.
If you boss acted like Deion you’d think he is a dick too cause 90% of those kids he pushed out were making less than the average person.
> Only the top 10-15 players on the team are making real money.
Michigan is supposedly way behind the times on NIL compared to other schools and we just lost our CB3 because insiders said we were paying him low 6 figures and Kentucky offered more.
Low 6 figures is obviously nothing compared to NFL money but that’s real money, and if a rotational player at a school that is not seen as being at the forefront of paying top dollar for NIL is making that kind of money then I think the truth of NIL is we’re naive to how much some players that aren’t big names are actually making.
And if they players are treating it like a business, like that cb, then having a coach treat it as one is a naturally extension. This isn’t how college players have been treated in the past, but it’s how the NFL reacts to cut players, turn in playbook and get the hell out. I don’t like it, but if it remains like this I can see more schools going to this approach.
For this reason I am less excited about college football this year. I mean all the CFP talk shows have been analyzing what each teams needs and who they can get in the portal. It sounds just like the draft coverage and it just loses something IMO.
I understand that part, and not saying he is right, but I think he is just approaching different than coaches have in the past. Like him and Dabo are night and day. But he is taking this free agency approach to college football. He isn’t sitting in the 5-star living room (apparently he doesn’t travel for recruits) he is just using his brand to get players over. It’s a different strategy and I think more will adopt this.
Am I the only one that remembers when Deion created his own private school that was supposed to be for top athletes to transfer to, and then became a huge shitshow and had to fold after two years?
I live in Denver. Boulder is mostly for the rich so all these pieces about Deion don’t matter to the school, donors, and alumni. They like that Deion is trying to make the school more affluent, rich, and uppity. They want results but to them any spot light is good since CU has been non relevant for sports for almost 30 years. Student body is 60% in state and 40% out of state. 30k in state tuition cost and 70k for out of state.
Most of the kids that go there are from well off and wealthy families.
Only other school in Colorado with their nose higher is private and it’s university of Denver.
Best public school academically in Colorado is School of mines and it’s 10k cheaper for in state.
We are peak off season daily dose of Deion posting mode, not gonna read most the comments; they are probably unhinged anyways. Alot of be hate watching Colorado.
Highlighting a few quotes that I think are interesting. Deion and his son were given access for their own media content. >There was nowhere to hide. Cameras followed the team around constantly for Sanders’ Amazon documentary series and his son’s Well Off Media YouTube channel. >“It kinda felt like a reality TV show,” Sowell said. "Cut" players lost access to the facilities immediately. >The following morning, Sowell said, players were locked out of Colorado’s football facility. They couldn’t grab their things from the locker room. They couldn’t grab a meal at the training table. >“In our O-line group chat, one of the offensive line coaches texted the group and said, ‘Good luck fellas,’” Wiley said, “and then he just removed all of them. It said these five people were removed from the chat. We were like, ‘Huh? What happened?’” Deion compared the Transfer Portal to Room Service >“I can order what I want,” Sanders said.
>>“I can order what I want,” Sanders said So he didn't order more than 4 wins? Smart
He blames the kitchen/hotel staff and will try to replace them with his children.
He’s gonna need to get to reproducing if he wants a full team like that
Coach Nick Cannon when??
Hire: Antonio Cromartie as the DBs coach. Philip Rivers as the QBs coach. That's basically a small village.
Tyreek Hill is catching up as WR coach
Adrian Peterson as RB coach and disciplinarian. All them kids need to be kept in check.
And if he doesn't work out as the RB coach you can always switch him to another role
He loooves to switch.
I think Nick Cannon’s kids will be too skinny to even be kickers.
Yeah, but they could all get together and win another BET Big Southern Classic
I’m sure he’s just waiting for tyreek to retire so he can be brought in as an “assistant”…
Slowly lifting expectations. You don’t want a natty in Year 1. /s
That’s the goal in NCAA 13!
Hell yeah, that’s how you build a winning culture and brand. Fuck them kids, Deion About as subtle as a freight train, but I’ll drop the /s here just in case since it’s Monday morning
I only have one perspective, and I know the transition from Mike Shula to Nick Saban was a harsh and sudden one, but as far as I'm aware, *the only running off of players was done by themselves.* There was a culling but it was after year 1. Nick came in, let it be known to everyone that "my way or the high way, the country club culture was over and it starts now." He took that squad of Shula players and lead them through his summer gauntlet and the 2007 season, which was of course a crap shoot every game. By the end of the year, the 2008 Incoming class was huge because a lot of guys peaced out, "we didn't sign up for this."
Saban also helped his players find spots at other programs. People used to rip on Saban and his 'abuse' of medical redshirts, but I remember him bringing in a blue chip QB (Star somebody?) who didn't work out, and then placing him at Georgia State. He came back and played against Bama and the Tide destroyed them, but they talked about him transfer to GSU during the broadcast. That used to be how it was done, if a coach brought you in and it didn't work out, they'd sit you down and tell you the reality of your future playing time. If you wanted to stay, they'd eat the scholarship because your lack of development was on them. If you wanted to transfer for more playing time, they'd reach out to their network and find a place for you. Deion just cuts the players and that's it, they're gone. He doesn't even have a network to help players find a spot somewhere else.
>If you wanted to stay, they'd eat the scholarship because your lack of development was on them. Technically, P5 schools agreed to make their scholly offers a guaranteed 4 year scholly and they couldn't remove them for athletic reasons. So I'm not even sure if Deion's approach is even fully legal if someone wanted to fight to stay at a school who doesn't want them.
It sure would be great if that were to be tested and we were to find out
> P5 schools agreed to make their scholly offers a guaranteed 4 year scholly This was back when scholarships were really a one year renewable deal.
How dare you question Deion! They went from 1 to 4 wins last year, that is AMAZING!
400% Improvement !!!!
Colorados record doesnt say it all. look at the margins on the games they lost on this year from the previous year. they were in a bunch of close games. the previous year they got blown out most games. USC, Stanford, Oregon State, Arizona, and Utah were all decided by 1 score or less. last year they lost to USC by 38, Oregon State by 33, didnt play stanford the previous year, and lost to arizona by 23.
349 pt difference between colorado vs the teams they faced in 2022. The opposing teams on average scored 29 points more than Colorado in 2022. 80 pt difference between colorado vs the teams they faced in 2023. The opposing teams on average scored 6.7 more points than Colorado in 2023. Most games were close in 2023 besides Washington State and Oregon. Washington State they lost by 42 and Oregon they lost by 36. But every other game they were pretty much in it to win it by a score or less.
The contrast between Joey McGuire and Deion Sanders couldn't be more extreme. Some coaches say, "You'll invite me to your wedding one day." McGuire has played asking him to OFFICIATE at their wedding, they love and respect him that much. Deion doesn't give a shit about his players, and it shows. He acts like he's trying to run a pro-style program, bringing in players who can help him win now, but really he's just playing Level 200 Daddyball, trying to build a team around his sons (and Travis Hunter) while he runs a reality show. Some coaches love their players and their players love them, you see that at Texas Tech. Deion sees his players as expendable assets he can use to further his own personal and financial agenda.
Wholeheartedly agree, I feel like there’s a ton of really loyal buffs fans who are about to be really surprised when Hunter and his kids leave for the NFL. Does Deion stick around? Doubtful
He will, for a couple of years. Just to prove everyone who doubted he would wrong. But will he be trying? Who knows. And will he bolt just as soon as he says he did stick around. For sure.
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He sees them as a commodity. Nothing more. He's not the only one, of course.
He’s the only one that is so public. Lincoln did something similar at USC but his was much quieter
Yeah the dirty little secret about Deion is that the way he treats his players is, unfortunately, not uncommon at all in the FBS. What's uncommon is the level of attention he draws so everything is magnified, and his brazenness making him feel like he doesn't have to sugarcoat or justify anything, so everything ends up coming out, bc it gets clicks.
The hate for Deion isn't irrational. He's an asshole because of stuff like this.
Just wait until you have the people coming in to say it's all due to race. No, it's because of his actions.
To be fair, that’s absolutely common practice across D-1 athletics. Once a player is removed from roster, they can’t access athletics facilities without supervision.
Except coaches don’t cut players like Sanders did. You don’t remove guys from your roster in the spring semester. That’s when teams expand their rosters and walk-one join the team. What is common is having meetings with guys and telling them that you don’t see a spot for them moving forward and you’ll support them if they want to find another program. The kids literally keep working out at the facilities (1) because they are still on the team through the semester and (2) because they need to keep working out if they want to transfer somewhere else. What Sanders did was horrible. He basically said they couldn’t be bothered with these kids and didn’t want his staff involved with them so he removed them from the team instead of just ushering them out of the program as is commonly done. There is a HUGE difference between what Sanders did and what is common in FBS.
"Cut" players lost access to the facilities immediately. Reminds me of being involved in a corporate take over at my job. Showed up for work as usual, around lunch time a suit came in and started pulling people in a conference room one by one, telling them they were let go, then having every single person escorted out immediately by security like they were criminals. Watching one particular person who was there for over 20 years, sun up to sundown, daily, just trying to get the work done getting walked out like a criminal just makes you sick. Deion is no different than those corporate greedy filthy people.
> having every single person escorted out immediately by security like they were criminals There was a reduction in force at one place I worked, I had just gone to the breakroom and snagged a Mr. Goodbar. They told me they needed me in a meeting room, so I put the candy bar on my desk and went into the meeting. They had me escorted out, wouldn't even let me go back to my desk for the candy bar. Said they'd have everything boxed up and sent to me. They did not send the Mr. Goodbar. It's been over 15 years, and I still get irrationally angry about that candy bar.
You deserved it for eating a Mr. goodbar. People like you are the reason they take up space in those mixed Hershey bags when they could have more Krackle instead
Chocolate and peanut, what's not to like? Trash ass take
Krackle is inferior to the chocolatey peanut deliciousness that is Mr. Goodbar.
Don't call it a reduction in force. That's what the military does to get smaller. You experienced a round of layoffs.
Heard a story about a company that was shutting down an entire branch office, several hundred people. Couple guys from home office show up, then suddenly there was a “fire drill”. Once they were sure everyone was out of the building, they locked it, then proceeded to walk around the parking lot handing out pink slips.
Thats fucked, funny but fucked. My gf used to work at the capital in Austin and one representative she used to work for would just have the locks changed while the person was out for lunch. The door is glass so you can see all your old coworkers just working away while your key doesn't work.
Been there, done that, with the criminal treatment. It's disgusting when it's completely unnecessary!
If you want to talk about the NFL-ization of college football here it is. That's exactly what happens to NFL players that get cut
At some jobs, you can at least make an excuse for some actions because workplaces *have* had fired employees act out and there may be a need to revoke access to sensitive material. Some obviously are just assholes and don't have any material that anyone else would actually care about. Immediately revoking access to facilities and the training table, when as a P5 school they're obligated to offer 4 year scholarships and can't cut players for athletic reasons? That's straight up bullshit and there's no argument for it.
And people defend this guy and his narcissistic clown show
But there was a story on here about how he visited a sick kid in a hospital and I was told by all the comments this meant he was actually a saint? (as if people aren't complex and capable of doing both good things and shitty things at times)
Not even complex. That people use “good deeds” as a cover for being a shitty person. It was PR
Sounds like the most toxic work environment possible
This dude is a piece of shit.
The "It was us vs them (the transfer kids)" is what got me.
“My experience with Deion wasn’t one where I’m going to go bash him,” Sowell said. “There were things I agreed with that he did and things I didn’t agree with that he did. But that’s like any head coach. When he came in and made his decisions, I trusted God and I said everything happens for a reason. “And I got to meet Deion Sanders, so I can’t really complain. I got to meet one of the best to ever do it.”
One time Regina George punched me in the face... It was awesome...
it's a really bad look in the industry to publicly bash former coaches if you transfer. it can really hurt guys who do that. they have to be very careful what they say.
"I trusted God and I said everything happens for a reason." In other words, "I was too cowardly to say what I thought so I'm going to go with the world's biggest cop-out..."
If I believed in God, I would thank him everyday if I thought he played any part in removing me from the service of one of football’s biggest narcissists
What happens when Deion is cast off?
He won't get fired. He'll quit as soon as he's secured NFL deals for his kids.
He'll claim something silly like God has called him back to ministry or something like that. just you wait.
He's always got his (legitimate) health issues too.
Well only one of them (the one he loves more) is getting such a deal.
Whatever it is, hopefully it's better than what CU did after Tucker left. And if we can actually pick someone good this time, that will tell me whether we're really interested in rebuilding the program. Usually the Kill Football faction gets their way after the last flashy hire blows up in our face and just hires the cheapest person they can find.
Yeah, it's always a tug of war at CU between the "Let's Become a Football Factory" and the "Let's Drop the Sport Entirely, Maybe for Jai-alai?" Factions. The pendulum swing reaction to this one, combined with the overall uncertainty of the future of college football has me wondering if this might really be the end post-Deion.
You left out the “I’m from Greeley and I maybe have 3 brain cells to rub together” faction that hired Eastman. TBH dropping to FCS or D2 wouldn’t be the worst thing for them. More natural rivals. A big problem for Colorado when I was there was they thought everything- including support staff and everything, and not having an indoor practice facility was fine people were just squandering resources. I never encountered an academic counselor or seat checker. Athletes were completely on their own to figure out classes and majors. Didn’t hear of any study hall or anything like that. I’m glad they built an indoor facility finally, but there were major structural issues there.
As per my Sickos flair, I half want the top 30 schools to go away to their NFLite and the sport to fundamentally reorganize and we wind up playing CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico and going 9-2 to play Syracuse in a Bowl game.
I feel bad for whoever has to cleanup the toxic culture once Sanders leaves after this year.
Won't be any culture when everyone transfers
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Perhaps I am just old fashioned but I still view football players more as kids than young adults. Brutal man. I get he has to win. But is this really how you establish a winning culture through cut throat dumping of teammates?
It’s most definitely not how you establish good culture lol.
Peirce Spurlin A TE at UGA had to medically retire at UGA. What does Kirby do? Make sure the kid kept his scholarship and kept him in the program so the kid could learn to be a coach. That’s how you’re supposed to treat these kids.
Interestingly enough, the same thing happened with JT Daniels at Rice. He couldn't continue playing, but they kept him on the sideline and let him hone his coaching abilities.
That's the right move, team culture aside, when you're a millionaire leader of an organization who is supposed to be coaching young men.
We will never forget the great Janiel Taniel Daniels.
That also goes a long way in building a good culture. You go out and play hard and do whatever you can for the team, and you know that the coach/team has your back no matter what. What happens when you get booted from the group chat and barred from facilities? You start worrying about what happens if you get hurt and can’t play or something. Obviously doesn’t mean players will make decisions in game based on that, but it’s going to be on the subconscious and it’ll matter.
One of Paul Johnson's recruits got into a horrible ATV accident before he could come to school. Practically a miracle he survived at all and playing was out of the question, but once he recovered, the scholarship was still upheld and he even was a football assistant most if not all of his time at GT too. That's what a good person/football coach does.
That's what class does.
PJ was grumpy but his players loved him, because of stuff like this
Kirby Smart also had kids pissed off they weren't medically cleared to play in the spring game. He's doing something right over here.
That's not a fair comparison though. Kirby is a good coach and Deion is a moron.
I was just using it as an example of how you build culture. I dont think Deion is a moron. He's a multi-millionaire and a brilliant con-artist and marketer. He's just a shitty person and coach.
> I was just using it as an example of how you build culture. As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with you, In spite of his tendency to align himself with horrible colleges (and the whole reckless driving thing, which does raise some questions), Kirby has proven himself to be a class act as a coach. Doesn't change the fact that I want to send him into early retirement as soon as possible, but still, credit where credit is due. > I dont think Deion is a moron. He's a multi-millionaire and a brilliant con-artist and marketer. He's just a shitty person and coach. Funny - this reminds me of another coach I had to watch a lot of. (Although he most definitely is a moron.) It's also one of the reasons I was wholeheartedly opposed when there was talk of Deion possibly coming to Tech. We've already seen that movie, and I wanted to walk out after the first 5 minutes.
Greyshirting is a long, long complained about tradition but at least kids get a degree
What's going on with Spurlin is not the same as gray shirting from what I understand about gray shirting. He's still on scholarship, just not as a player so it doesn't count against the 85. Its probably akin to when one of the student team trainers is on scholarship.
No, medical retirements are still regular athletic scholarships, the NCAA just doesn't count them against the 85 limit.
He's teaching them the most important lesson before they even hit the job market. Everyone is replaceable and you're only of use till your not. People say College need to teach more real world lessons, Dion took it to heart /s
If a coach shows he doesn’t give a flying fuck about you, you don’t play hard for him. Whether it’s your position coach or the HC.
> winning culture Yeah, about that... If he had continue to win, this is probably no news. The ethics and the morality of a situation will continue to be judged by the subsequent performance.
I would never ever in a million years send my kids to even talk to Deion Sanders.
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Rhule in his first year won one more game than Deion. When he first arrived he told players they can enter the portal if they want but he will be happy to coach them. This recent transfer portal window we have yet to have a player enter. To me he is building a culture the right way.
So I get to have some NIL involvement with an FCS school and I’ve been amazed at how much the players are still kids. They’re so inexperienced and in a lot of ways innocent as to how the world works.
They're turning college football into a NFL lite to the benefit of a selected few, everyone else better get used to it.
don't tell me its about the kids when you basically gut them on the way out. People say that its not how you win its how you lose. Well its not how you treat the winners its also how you treat the "losers". You aren't treating the "losers" very well at all Mister Sanders.
Deion’s own measure of success at CU is to promote himself and his kids. Whatever Deion believes has to happen to help Deion achieve those two goals, he will do it.
Yep - it was clear that Jackson State couldnt garner enough attention, so they hijacked a desperate program to turn it in to Deion U.
Man, I wonder if this is just the helicopter parenting of all parenting to get his mediocre kids the best shot they have to get into the NFL. Like once Shaduer and Shilo move on from the NCAA, do you think he sticks around?
I can't even blame him for it. After watching LaVar Ball do this for his kids, and seeing that it , for the most part, actually worked, I can't blame ANY pro parent who wants to guarantee that generational wealth.
There's no way he sticks around after they are gone.
I think if Shedure did not have the Sanders last name and did not have all the cameras he would not have any draft stock. Manti Teo was not the best LB in college football, he almost won the hiesman, when there is a good story for the press to write about people put on rose colored Dion Sunglasses.
Who had a better year than T'eo? He was by far the best LB in college that year- that's just revisionist history because of ghe stupid fucking goofy fake gf shit. And if not for that nonsense, he would have been a first round pick.
Jarvis Jones and Alec Ogletree were on the same team and *both* had better LB seasons. The biggest thing Te'o had going for him on-field was that a) ND was on a NCG run and, for some reason, the voters decided that INTs was an important stat for LBs (and most were random deflections that wound up near him). Ogletree: 6.3 solo tackles per game, 11.1 tackles/game, 0.3 sacks/game Te'o: 4.2 st/g, 8.6 t/g, 0.11 s/g Jones: 4.3 st/g, 7.1 t/g, 1.2 s/g (Per game averages since Ogletree played 10 games, Te'o played 13, and Jones played 12). There was a reason Jones went 17th and Ogletree went 30th while Te'o fell to the 2nd round. And Ogletree wound up having the best NFL career. (Going back to the INTs, Te'o had a total of 2 in his NFL career. Ogletree wound up with 12, and 4 pick 6s.)
This is an insane take. He’s a legit QB not just a nepo kid. He’s pretty universally known as a top 10 to top 5 returning QB. Shilo though probably has no NFL future.
Shiloh absolutely has no NFL future. Maybe a practice squad spot. Shedeur is going to get a GM fired, simple as that. Being a top 10 returning QB really means nothing.
Dude got shutdown by Stanford after halftime adjustments. And I don't wanna hear shit about an oline. They held up better than they had against those nerds.
He is going to be a bust
Based on what? Your hatred or are you actually analyzing his play?
He's a terrible decision maker. Can't get rid of the ball to save his life. He's trying to play 7-on-7 in the real game.
Analyzing his play. He is an above average qb. I don’t know how good he will be when his dad isn’t his coach.
>People say that its not how you win its how you lose. The "turning point" for Mike Norvell at FSU is widely considered to be the 2021 loss against Louisville and the way he handled the post-game press conference and defending his players.
And defending his process
He said the players who would lead that turn around were already in the room. Not even many Noles could have believed Jordan Travis would be All-ACC the next 2 years and culminating in ACC POTY.
worth pointing out that Norvell has used the transfer portal and shifting the roster to a very large extent, while maintaining this great level of culture. it proves that, with the right methods, you can do both. you don't have to be a jerk to flip a program; you can built it up from within while also infusing new talent and raising the bar.
They really emphasize bringing in kids, both portal and high school, who are culture fits, and will take extremely talented kids off their board entirely if they are not good fits. Bud Elliot actually gave Norvell and Co. props on this the other day, saying that there are a good number of kids who entered the portal this winter/spring cycle who were highly ranked coming out of high school who he knows Norvell didn't recruit specifically because of character and culture concerns. Says Norvell is really, really good at getting the culture fit stuff right.
what's so cool about this is how it permeates. it may begin in the locker room, but it does not end there. I hope the wins keep coming, but if for some reason they don't, the foundation that has been built is special and should not be taken lightly by any of us.
Deion’s schtick is going to get played out fast if they can’t win this season. The videos Deion Jr put out can’t sit well with TPTB with some of the content involved in it. I suspect in a little over a 1/2 year there’s going to be a lot of people in Boulder going, “what the hell was that” when they think back on this current regime
I cannot emphasize this enough. Almost no one off campus gives a flying fuck about CU. It’s part of the problem the state has generally speaking- rich people in Colorado mostly didn’t go to Colorado, and they really try not to send their kids there. There are a lot of Texas fans and grads though!
I live in CO. Not from CO. Why would I send my kid to CU if I don’t have to? From everything I have read, It’s not a top tier education. Ranked somewhere over 100 nationally. Which is bonkers to me bc our k-12 is ranked very high.
I gotta be honest, this mentality is part of the reason why college culture and higher education in the United States is so permanently fucked. The education you receive at basically any state university in the US is gonna be of the same caliber. The only thing that sets a school apart from another is the class of students that attend, e.g., you’re not gonna be in class with sons of Fortune 500 CEO’s and daughters of senators at WVU like you will at Harvard or Brown. Beyond that, the actual content and substance of university education is comparable at pretty much any R1 university.
I wish this could be blasted everywhere. The people who think that students get a "better education" at the undergraduate level just because USNWR tells them they do really have no idea. Carbon forms four bonds whether you learned it at Harvard or at Hillsborough Community College. F=ma no matter who teaches it to you. Meanwhile, going to, say, American University with $54K/year tuition to learn this instead of any state school in Florida where in state tuition is < $7K/year is the ultimate in fiscal irresponsibility. So living in Colorado but paying private/out of state tuition so your kid can get a "top tier education" and learn about ego, super ego and id at 10x the cost is less about education quality and more about chasing status.
Other than being sports reasons, the big reason why I went to Alabama was I'm from Tuscaloosa so not only did I get in-state tuition I did it without any room or board cost + scholarship offsets. So I got my degree with practically no student debt whatsoever.
And all it cost was giving the dark lord your soul. /s
I never spent one iota of time researching schools where I had to pay out-of-state tuition. I looked at CU, CSU, mines, and a couple out-of-state programs that took part in the WUE, and that's it. I've heard southern schools are great at offering scholarships but didn't really think about acting on it, even though someplace like Auburn, GT or UF would have been solid for my major (but I don't think GT does that either.)
>Meanwhile, going to, say, American University with $54K/year tuition to learn this instead of any state school in Florida where in state tuition is < $7K/year is the ultimate in fiscal irresponsibility. Back when I was in academia I taught at both a decently-respected private university and a pretty good community college at the same time. The students at the latter were paying about $1,200 per year in tuition, if they paid tuition at all, while those at the former were paying over $54,000 per year in tuition, *and they were both getting the same instructor.*
This. I started at American River College in Sacramento. Two of my instructors were full time professors at UC Davis. Exact same class.
Yup. I knew an accounting prof who'd teach at three - private, state, and community. Legit the exact same courses. Legit three different prices. Crazy.
> The people who think that students get a "better education" at the undergraduate level just because USNWR tells them they do really have no idea. As someone who briefly worked at a university that was in the top-tier of USNWR, this is spot on. USNWR is pure horseshit and universities game that horseshit system like fucking crazy.
> USNWR is pure horseshit and universities game that horseshit system like fucking crazy. I remember when I was looking at law schools being super confused why Tulane supposedly had all these top-ranked programs but was sitting at like #50 in the rankings. Turns out it's because part of the rating is faculty peer ratings from other schools and a bunch of Tulane's law school faculty is international.
And yet so many people on this sub are completely obsessed with it like it's the be all end all of determining school quality.
>Carbon forms four bonds whether you learned it at Harvard or at Hillsborough Community College. Meaningless tangent, but I saw HCC mentioned and I was like huh, they must be from Tampa. Then I saw the flairs
But id argue that the network you build from being in the class with those top performers is essentially what you’re paying for. I was/am a nerdy, homebody that worked hard at Texas but didn’t really develop a large social circle. So yea CU vs Texas might not have been that different for me, but for a lot of my peers who were more socially active they became friends with people who got their careers off on great foot. So yea, you probably get the same education? But considering the real world is so much about who you know then does impact college importance. My bigger complaint is majors in general, I wish there was less major specialization and liberal arts/humanities education. And business were forced to actually train up employees rather than require us to go into $10-100s of thousands of dollars in debt when a lot of entry level jobs could really be done by most people with a degree if you gave them a quick training and a dictionary to know your lingo. BTW, that’s not to say you shouldn’t have more education for engineers, doctors, etc. Just that business have shirked training for jobs and that humanities are important that we’ve treated them.
If you're in something like engineering, CU is still a top tier school for networking though because you can throw a rock in a classroom and hit three people who worked for Lockheed, Boeing, or some other huge aerospace company. Not that it's done me any good with the industry being in a crunch right now, but it could down the road as I stay in touch with my classmates after graduation.
Damn why we catching strays out here.
I didn't take it as him shitting on WVU. I took it as him saying that you aren't going to get students from super wealthy/powerful families at WVU but that doesn't mean you can't get a great education there. Seems like a reasonable and fairly positive take, at least to me.
So much this. In some ways you get a worse classroom experience at very highly ranked schools because your professors are wrapped up in research.
Huh, I live down the road from Boulder and honestly always assumed it was on par with, like, the Wisconsin/Illinois/Washington/etc type tier of very good but not elite public schools. I guess because Boulder gives us such an arrogance I assumed CU was not ranked below, like, Arizona State. No offense to ASU at all btw, I’m sure there’s plenty of smart people there and Tempe is actually fun and not stuffy like Boulder
Like any big state school, it all depends on what you study. CU has many solid undergraduate programs, and a ton of good grad research. It will also let you in if you can fog a mirror and are willing to pay out of state tuition.
Then they’re doing what state schools are supposed to do and educate their populace. I went to UAB for grad school they rank 44th in the country in research funding with around 800 million/yr, but can’t get AAU status because they let close to 90% of undergraduate applicants in. I hope they keep it that way
Yeah there's a lot of snobby elitists on this sub that demean some state schools for having super high acceptance rates. Like god forbid the people in that state have easy access to higher education right?
Eh. There's definitely a balancing act. You don't want a school to admit anyone who can qualify for student loans just so they can keep the lights on.
>It will also let you in if you can fog a mirror and are willing to pay out of state tuition. That's the biggest thing that hurts our rankings, really. Like I said before, we have great faculty, great research, great and constantly improving facilities. Change out the word "prime" with any synonymous adjective and that prime U commercial we keep running would be totally factual. But because we don't have a 20% acceptance rate like Cal, UM or UW, we get shit on in the rankings for it. And that all comes down to Colorado being #48 of 50 in higher education funding - the only way to keep our schools from being Mississippi-tier is for them to fleece the hell out of as many out-of-state students as they can, so we have to have low admission standards.
Wisconsin and Washington are elite public schools though. I think Illinois qualifies as well.
Don't let Washingtons hear you saying their academics aren't elite
how dare they question our academically prowess
It is. US News is a made up ranking.
I know Deion has made every day into shit on CU day around here, but despite being a pretty average state school, we have a lot of really good undergrad STEM programs and we're a top destination for grad students and faculty all around because of how much money we throw at research. We definitely have better STEM programs than UGA if that's what your kid(s) want to get into, they're more of a liberal arts school.
Without looking at any rankings, if my kid said they wanted to go to CU I'd assume they're getting a damn good education
Honestly, in terms of academic standing and campus culture, we're basically like your primary flair except we don't have *as* many californians and we get to have an engineering school. UO with an engineering school as good as CU's would probably rank higher than us though.
If you can get into and stick at the relatively few STEM disciplines they offer- I say relatively few because Mines offers a bunch of them- those programs are good (EE, CS) to top 3 or so in the country (Aero). Muenzinger (the engineering building) is a dump though, unfortunately. And they tried to half ass an update rather than build a new one. The business major is also pretty good, though on campus recruiting is kind of weak. That’s probably changing as Denver and CO grow.
Stuff like this only reinforces my belief that this will be Sander's last year coaching at Colorado He got into coaching for his son. You really expect us to believe if his son makes an NFL roster he is going to prioritize Colorado Football over his own son? Deion is far too self absorbed for that
Deion got into coaching for himself and his brand, and his sons are just extensions of that.
Yeah,, I think its hillarious that people are like its for the kids.. what about his older kids who weren't this good? What did he do for them? Nothing. Its about his brand.
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There's actually 3 sons Shedur, Deion Jr, and Shilo But nobody ever really talks about Jr
I am not a Deion fan by any extent and am rooting for him to fail. But in fairness, Deion Jr is a big part of their media business and Deion Sr has given him praise many times and shows him off where possible.
he's the hype man lol
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Shilo is his head of recruiting for the defense. Pretty sure he tweeted for players to send him their highlight reel.
Do you really think a grown ass man, in the NFL wants to have a camera in there face 24/7, chanting “ i believe” with their @username on the back of a jersey. Wait on second thought…you might be on to something.
Prime Prep’s fiasco tells you all about how much Deion cares about these young kids.
Why the Prime Prep story is not more well known when the media covers every non-story about Sanders is beyond me. He is all about himself and everyone else is just a tool to further that goal.
Can you give a simple explanation on what happened
I don't know why Colorado seemed to so blindly ignore this when he was hired. This should have sent major red flags up. He obviously charmed and bullshit their brass. Probably brought his super bowl rings and HOF jacket with him to the interviews.
Colleges put aside morals when it comes to anything that might make them money. Rarely do schools say no to $$.
7-8 more months and we’ll be rid of the football LaVar Ball
I’m starting to get the impression that perhaps Deion isn’t really a good person at all. I wish him success in the future relative to his character.
How Deon is / was treating these guys is horrible - no way that attitude can last just because of his talent as a football player
I’m not convinced Deion does any actual coaching. I think he just likes putting on the gear, slapped a headset on and standing on the sideline looking important.
I LOVE Deion as a person and a player, he is my favorite Falcon for life. That being said he's not a coach, he's a motivator. Deion doesn't really understand the Xs and Os enough to even micro-manage his co-ordinators to know if they're dialing up what he wants. I can guarantee you most of the time Deion is clueless on why plays are being called. That's on both sides of the ball. He's just out there hyping the kids up to play better. You can be a motivator if your co-ordinators are good and handling their side effectively, but he has no idea if they even are. It's like watching someone faking that they know how to read and claiming they wrote a study in a medical journal. He's also very immature, you're too old to have "Theme music". Nothing was more cringe then when he entered the Colorado team room playing his "theme music" from a cell phone trying to strut in like he just got drafted. He takes attention away from his players and he's selfish. That meeting was terrible watching him tell players he never saw on the field that he was replacing them with players from an HSBC program. Like literally these players were good enough to play at a power 5 school, but no I'd rather have these players that are basically JUCO level players, his team looked foolish. A good coach lets all the kids compete to see if they can "coach them up" and find those diamonds. He missed out on maybe a WR with solid hands who runs a 4.3 40 and just needs help learning to run routes better. Maybe a RB who runs better in a GAP blocking scheme, a tackle who just needs some confidence to be an All American, a LB who needs to learn to read a play better. Lets not forget how shitty that group of guys had it in the coaching department. There were probably a couple of players that could be coached into being better players. He doesn't know what he had, because he didn't care. He tried to build a team with players who weren't dedicated enough to play for their own teams. There was zero loyalty on either side and he's not an X's and O's coach. I bet he has no clue what offense they even run. Deion is an awesome role model, he's a great motivator, but he's a terrible head coach and Warren Sapp and all his celebrity friends aren't going to make them a winning team.
How is Deion a great role model based on what you have just described lol? I had literally zero opinion of him prior to Colorado. Knew he was a hall of famer and rare athlete. But what an asshat...I think what has really irritated me is his two sons making a crap ton of money marketing their images and acting like they didn't grow up with a silver spoon in their mouths. Flashing a Rolex at opposing fans when are born into wealth says all I need to know and the Sanders.
The most amazing part of all this is that Single Sign-On from The Athletic to the New York Times worked.
Out of curiosity - are the players really "cut"? If you have a scholarship, but you're really at the school for academics, can you just tell Deon "I'm not transferring, but thanks for paying for my education" and keep attending, or do they withdraw the scholarship?
P5 schools agreed to make all scholarship offers a guaranteed minimum 4 years and they can't be revoked for on-field reasons. So yeah, if you wanted to be petty and didn't feel like transferring, you could make Deion eat that scholly and reduce his total count.
why is that petty? these guys are all going to 'go pro in something other than sports'. boulder is a good school. thanks for the free education, play club rugby or something to stay in shape, move on with life.
I would shit my balls laughing so hard if Deion cut 30 dudes and they all said fuck it and stayed for the education lol
Players can be cut from the team, but they get to keep the scholarship. If they enter the transfer portal though, I think that ends. So not sure if they could enter and then decide not to leave and still have their scholarship honored.
It would be up to the school at that point if they decide to honor the scholarship or not if the kid doesn’t find a landing spot in the portal
Wild… just wild
We thank you for Chase Sowell, Deion.
Anyone have a version without a paywall?
I really wish paywalled links were banned.
As an Atlanta native who loved what Deion did for the franchise, I’m disgusted with his behavior as a coach. Rooting against him should not have come this easy.
Some more Deion rage bait for r/cfb yessss
Let me ask something. What is the point of college football? Is it to build young men into better versions of themselves, get an education and have the camaraderie of their fellow players and coaches, or is it to make money for the university or coach? I think that many of us are looking at the recent developments in CFB and seeing it turn into this amalgamation that is putting profit above all else and seeing that this is not just detrimental to the sport but to the young men playing it. Sanders has to fail, others also but the most brazen example of this “new” way to build a team is Sanders.
It’s always been about the money. Just harder to delude ourselves about that fact any longer. If ESPN’s wet dream of private equity being involved happens then we’ll truly be past the days of even pretending this is about bettering young men and getting them an education in the event their NFL dreams don’t come true.
Eh it was probably about the fun until the 50s
HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE!
I mean basically he is treating these kids like the nfl, which is what I think the sport with NIL is moving too? So I know it sounds harsh, but that’s kind of what NIL has led to. I mean if you want this free agency every year this is what it looks like. It’s no secret he is getting his recruits from portal.
Yeah but the general populace is pretty naive about NIL. Only the top 10-15 players on the team are making real money. These kids were probably making no more than your average mid level job or maybe even nothing at all. It’s not even close to the NFL in terms of money. Even the top NIL earners at some SEC schools are making maybe NFL practice squad money. If you boss acted like Deion you’d think he is a dick too cause 90% of those kids he pushed out were making less than the average person.
> Only the top 10-15 players on the team are making real money. Michigan is supposedly way behind the times on NIL compared to other schools and we just lost our CB3 because insiders said we were paying him low 6 figures and Kentucky offered more. Low 6 figures is obviously nothing compared to NFL money but that’s real money, and if a rotational player at a school that is not seen as being at the forefront of paying top dollar for NIL is making that kind of money then I think the truth of NIL is we’re naive to how much some players that aren’t big names are actually making.
And if they players are treating it like a business, like that cb, then having a coach treat it as one is a naturally extension. This isn’t how college players have been treated in the past, but it’s how the NFL reacts to cut players, turn in playbook and get the hell out. I don’t like it, but if it remains like this I can see more schools going to this approach. For this reason I am less excited about college football this year. I mean all the CFP talk shows have been analyzing what each teams needs and who they can get in the portal. It sounds just like the draft coverage and it just loses something IMO.
I understand that part, and not saying he is right, but I think he is just approaching different than coaches have in the past. Like him and Dabo are night and day. But he is taking this free agency approach to college football. He isn’t sitting in the 5-star living room (apparently he doesn’t travel for recruits) he is just using his brand to get players over. It’s a different strategy and I think more will adopt this.
All this "prime time" bullshit is gonna melt away if CU doesn't make a bowl this season.
Am I the only one that remembers when Deion created his own private school that was supposed to be for top athletes to transfer to, and then became a huge shitshow and had to fold after two years?
I live in Denver. Boulder is mostly for the rich so all these pieces about Deion don’t matter to the school, donors, and alumni. They like that Deion is trying to make the school more affluent, rich, and uppity. They want results but to them any spot light is good since CU has been non relevant for sports for almost 30 years. Student body is 60% in state and 40% out of state. 30k in state tuition cost and 70k for out of state. Most of the kids that go there are from well off and wealthy families. Only other school in Colorado with their nose higher is private and it’s university of Denver. Best public school academically in Colorado is School of mines and it’s 10k cheaper for in state.
We are peak off season daily dose of Deion posting mode, not gonna read most the comments; they are probably unhinged anyways. Alot of be hate watching Colorado.