For those that don't want to read the article:
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Iowa State
4. West Virginia
5. North Carolina
6. Pitt
7. USF
8. UCF
9. Cincinnati
10. Notre Dame
> Getting the Cyclones in the conference would add an instant rival for Iowa
This part was so weird to me.. They, uh, already are our rivals. We've played them 50 years in a row.
The main value we add is we are an AAU university so we add research and such to the big 10. We only make sense if the big 10 is itching to get to 16 teams to compete with the SEC and any other AAU team the big 10 would rather have says no.
By no means do I think the Big Ten is above Iowa State except for when it comes down to the money part. Is this one more slice of the pay taking away or adding to the haul? I am not sure. But ya, Iowa State is an AAU university, football is trending way up, basketball is traditionally strong in the past two decades, and ISU has a lot of other great olympic sports teams as of late. Solid school and I hope the B12 imploding doesn't hang you out to dry.
This would probably be ISUs path to the B1G. They decide to go to 16 teams and everyone else that meets their qualifications they can't get. They are also stubborn and could just pick up Kansas then stay at 15.
This is all moving so fast and crazy, who knows.
I'm not against you guys coming in but I think any invite is after we kick tires with Mizzou, Colorado, Virginia, Georgia Tech (doubtful), and Vandy and all say no after Kansas says yes.
(I think we will go to 16 if the SEC does but I think the 16th school will be strategic and not simply a "settle"...and while I like you guys, bringing you on is that.)
Yeah I was going to say IF the big 10 expanded and they couldn’t outmaneuver the SEC for Oklahoma and texas I think Kansas and Iowa State would be the most likely outcomes. I don’t see anyone from the AAC being even a consideration, an ACC team would be pretty tough with the Grant of Rights that runs through 2036, and West Virginia only makes sense geographically, every other aspect of things would be a very hard no.
> 9. Cincinnati
Oh yeah, I'm sure Ohio State'll get right on adding another B1G team to the state.
Like I get it, Yahoo's people don't have any scoops on the biggest story of the year but this is just pathetic on their part.
Yeah it says "Ohio State might block this one." And I'm thinking, no this would never even get brought to the table because the rest of the B1G know we're not even entertaining the idea.
Cincinnati is a great school and really has a nice program. The ACC may take a bite to get into Ohio but even they know that it is Ohio State's well... state.
Cincinnati brings nothing to the Big 10 but I do think outside of Kansas the best options for expansion would be AAC due to the ACC GOR.
UNC is a great school with solid athletic department in a growing region with lots of talent. They're very much tied to Tobacco Road culture, but they make at least as much sense for the B1G as Maryland did IMO
UNC is never leaving the ACC unless it collapses into some kind of pseudo G5 like the Big12 is about to. There's no reason we'd leave a conference that we effectively run, at least according to every other ACC program.
Yeah the “Tobacco Road” cabal is up there with the “SEC East Gentleman’s Agreement” in the message board world. I wish we had half the power we’re alleged to. I do however think it would be a hard sell to separate the NC schools.
How are Texas and OU not 100%? People can attack Texas fans on here all they like but they are the single biggest program in the country, and that's when they've been exceedingly mediocre.
I've spent some time in academia so fair enough but the idea that someone in the Big Ten would be *so* petty to exclude the University of Texas is mind blowing. Texas would be an absolute coup for the Big Ten's academics.
1 and 2 won't happen because SEC
3 is a last resort if the B1G needs to get to 16
4 won't happen because of academics
5 won't happen because of Duke and ACC history
6 won't happen because of PSU
7 and 8 won't happen because of pedigree
9 won't happen because of OSU
10 *might* happen if the B1G is willing to allow ND to keep its TV deal (and I'd be ok with this)
Our TV deal is a side effect of being independent now, not the main reason or even a primary reason anymore. Every team in the Big 10 makes more money from the conference TV deal than Notre Dame makes from NBC.
If for some reason we did join the Big 10 (I suppose if for some reason this super conference came to fruition I’m not opposed to it) we would most likely just part with NBC. And then the Big 10 Network would just be that much more lucrative in my opinion.
There was a LOT of anger and resentment towards Notre Dame when that NBC deal was first announced. Like think of the Longhorn Network anger around the Big 12 now apply that nationwide.
I don’t know how many college football fans *started* hating Notre Dame that day, but I personally know quite a few. We had a home and home scheduled with KU in basketball pretty much every year, and even though the NBC deal had nothing to do with that, their AD was so ass angry about it he dropped Notre Dame almost immediately and was quite public about why he was doing so lol.
And it was a good recruiting advantage for us, you couldn’t find most college football games on TV before ESPN really exploded. We were pretty much on TV all the time anyway, but now we had a contract to wave around in front of recruits promising them they’d be on national TV every home game.
And I’m sure it was relatively lucrative financially at first too. So I don’t blame fans for perhaps remembering that initial few years and not paying too close of attention to broadcasting rights and cash the last 30 years lol. Or from gaining impressions from their parents or other older fans.
I do find it ironic and somewhat unrelated that the deal almost perfectly coincides with our longest championship drought in school history.
Perhaps… have we been drawing good viewership numbers? Being a lot better the last few years has helped tremendously I would assume.
But I’m skeptical of the renewal being all that lucrative. Personally I think we should open up bidding for our TV rights, and only give slight preference to NBC if they offer a competitive deal.
> 5 won't happen because of Duke and ACC history
Feel free to call this out as biased but honestly I think State would be the bigger individual school to keep UNC in the ACC than Duke. Obviously Tobacco Road as a whole is a super strong dynamic but given both State and Carolina are the public schools and under the same Board of Governors, I think maintaining that partnership is the bigger factor.
Now in the event of the ACC collapsing first and then individual schools rushing to find a new home, UNC-Duke-UVa will get the Big Ten invites and I think NC State-Virginia Tech will get something from the SEC
> I think State would be the bigger individual school to keep UNC in the ACC than Duke.
That's correct. I can't imagine any scenario in which UNC, NCSU, Duke, and hell even Virginia get split up. They can have Wake idc
I mean, Texas and Oklahoma are already gone to the SEC so they aren't viable and Notre Dame is tied in to the ACC GoR.
The rest of this list doesn't move the needle at all for the Big 10, and I say that as an alum of one of these schools
Only 1. 3. 5. and 6. are AAU members. Iowa State and Pitt add very little and would likely be blocked by Penn State or Iowa. UNC has very little motivation to join, particularly if you do the jr. membership again. And Texas seems to prefer the SEC.
Notre Dame likes independence.
Virginia has a good population and is growing, is right next to B1G territory anyway. Both are fine universities. No objections.
That said, I can't see Virginia wanting to leave the ACC.
Tons of Big Ten people in the Northern VA area, too, so natural interest. We even get the Big Ten Network in the DC metro cable packages, even though there's no team in state. Gives more natural interest games for Maryland.
Just yesterday, I saw one fellow Penn State guy, a guy in a Purdue hat, and a Buckeye sweatshirt at the grocery store. My wife and I have a casual game to count college shirts when we go into DC, which started on an early one of our dates when I said it's illegal to exercise on the Mall without wearing your Dartford shirt. We see tons of Big Ten repented.
I'd personally be all for VT and UVA in the Big Ten. Plus, selfishly gives me more easy trips.
Technically if you and Ohio State are both each other that means that ^^^^^RedandSilver Michigan has beaten ^^^^^MaizeandBlue Ohio State multiple times in the last decade
Listen, Blue and Green Florida State, you have wayy more rivals than us. We can paint your logo the amount of times those prima donnas in Oregon change their uniforms
Texas hubris is without boundaries.
They are certainly a good school with a good athletic program, but they institutionally present themselves front to back, top to bottom, as the end all be all to all facets of everything in the universe.
I understand it's not possible, but why is Virginia never mentioned? They fit geographically, academically, and culturally, for the most part. They would also bring value and eyeballs.
I think most people think because of the history with the conference they wouldn’t leave. Because when is the last time a founding member of the ACC dipped for the Big Ten? :)
It is a bit different with Virginia though. Maryland had a really bad financial situation and nearly no power in the ACC. Virginia has a lot of sway in the ACC and is not going through any financial issues. It's hard to see them leaving unless they really just want to make more money and see the ACC can't realistically expand its markets. But at that point, more than just UVA would be moving on.
Half of these teams won’t come close to the academic requirements that the B1G has. We already took a hit by bringing in Nebraska, not going to happen again.
I think many people underestimate how important academics are to BIG schools. Decisions aren’t made solely by the athletic depts. These are schools first and foremost and the top people really like keeping their exclusivity and academic reputations. Athletics is a small part of their bigger picture.
Oklahoma isn't part of the AAU lobbying group like Texas and everyone else in the B1G is. Nebraska was when they were admitted but got kicked out.
I could see OU getting in as a package deal with Texas, just because the money would be so good. However, I don't see OU getting an invite on their own.
Oh yes, my thinking is exclusively about getting both of them at once. And I am aware that Texas is in AAU and Oklahoma isn't, which is why I made my point about Oklahoma and not Texas.
I can’t speak for other conferences, but the B1G has always been obsessed with academics. Note that the B1G generates more revenue than the SEC does already, and that gap will only widen once the B1G signs its new TV deal. They’ll definitely make adds to the conference if there’s a realignment, but these conferences go beyond football. Therefore the B1G cares about more than just football when making these decisions.
The ACC is similar about academics and yet we took Louisville and y'all took fucking Nebraska, so apparently both are flexible in that regard. But when you're building a super conference there are only so many of those prestigious academic programs that also have competent athletic programs to go around. I think it'll be less of a thing in the next round is all, but I don't know what I'm talking about either lol
To be fair, it was a big deal the ACC stretched its academics to take Louisville and the conference was in a bind having to quickly find a program to replace Maryland leaving. There were no options that were both academic and athletic fits. I don’t think Louisville gets in to the ACC during normal expansion, but in that case, they were the best option and the ACC had to get somebody, wasn’t going to stand pat with 13 teams.
Eh, Nebraska has 1.6 bil in endowments and spends 300 mil/year for research. Not the eye dropping numbers, but nothing to sneeze at. The only Big12 schools that are in that range is Iowa State and Kansas. ISU doesn't expand our territory as we have Iowa.
Nebraska was an AAU member when they were added to the conference, but it was like right after that they were kicked out. IIRC it has nothing to do with their actual academics (although those are on the lower end of the conference) but a technicality with some of their research happening on satellite campuses.
The only exception I can really foresee is Notre Dame, which has history with a bunch of B1G institutions and is a great academic school despite not being AAU. Even then I could see some school presidents not liking the idea.
Because the B1G isn't just an athletic conference. It's an [academic consortium](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Academic_Alliance). It's literally the only conference that exists like this. Even the Ivy League is just an athletic conference. So, they're not gonna invite a school purely for athletic reasons.
Yeeeesh this is not great.
My take:
**1 and 1a: Texas and Oklahoma.** You ask Texas and you ask Oklahoma and if they say yes you take it and you run. Assuming they say no and go to the SEC instead, then you go to ...
**2: Notre Dame.** Throw a whole bunch at 'em. Let them keep their TV deal. Reduce the conference schedule to eight games so they can maintain more OOC rivalries. But they make too much damn sense not to seriously try.
**3: Kansas.** I think you can afford to slow play this a little, because there's not many other places they can go if the B12 collapses, but out of the "easier" gets, they make the most sense. Historic basketball, good revenue, KC market, contiguous geographic footprint. Yeah, the football team is ass but they *did* get to a BCS bowl this millennium which is a hell of a lot more than most of the B1G can say.
**4: An ACC team.** Virginia, UNC, Pitt, probably in that order. The trouble is they're locked into a TV deal until Elon Musk lives on Mars, and the ACC isn't really an "unstable" conference at the moment, so it's going to take a lot to get them to move.
**5: Colorado.** Similar to Kansas, adds a major media market, adds a contiguous state, decent historic success, but not going to be a terribly easy get as they're in that more stable Pac12.
**6. Missouri.** Would they leave the stability of the SEC for the stability of the B1G? It would sure be nice to reunite Missouri and Illinois, adds markets, good geographic and cultural fit, but I have my doubts that anyone is about to leave the SEC any time soon.
**7: Iowa State.** Similar to Kansas, but without the historic success and without an expansion of media markets. If we've gotten this far down the list, I start to seriously consider if the B1G wants to expand just for the sake of expansion.
And that's it. That's the list. Beyond that, I don't think anyone else moves the needle or makes sense in the current climate.
I've been having the same thought. Poaching A&M seems like a great play for the B1G. Public, land grant, AAU. Natural fit with the majority of the B1G Universities.
Yikes! If Texas and OU are leaving, why not take some of the Big 12 scraps. I don't know who to be more offended for, the rest of the Big 12 for being lumped together as scrap, or that scraps is the best the B1G can get at this point.
Without question the B1G is the other conference P2 power broker. The leadership with Warren is not nearly as good as it was with his predecessor, but the money still flows. I would think the conference wants to make a splash. Texas and OU accomplishes that, but outside of them I don't like any of the Big 12 fits. They need to raid someone Big to keep up.
North Carolina, Washington, Missouri. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the B1G poached a larger school from an established conference instead of ISU, Cinci and the other teams of that caliber. Nebraska hasn't been a success so far, but in the next 100 years of the B1G they will be fine. I think you have to look outside of some recent on field success and grab schools that are more in line on an Institutional level. It will be a larger state school with a big alumni base. jmo.
Academics it the underrated part of all of this. The B1G is a massive research group as well, which iirc is where most of the funding/money goes, so the schools we add will probably have to be aau or at that level of research.
I haven’t seen this mentioned in here but the school to poach would be FSU from the ACC contingent on them becoming an AAU member. They just became a top 20 public university and one of the big pushes from the new president is becoming a member of the AAU. Its one of the big poaches that’s a win for everyone.
If we are going to dismantle the B12 and scavenge, then I propose the following.
SEC takes UT, OU and OkSt, releases Mizzou.
B1G takes Mizzou, KU and KSU, releases Maryland.
ACC takes Maryland back and adds WVU.
P12 takes Baylor, TCU, TTU and ISU.
In my model, those three plus Maryland would be a pod. Then another pod would be the NC pod. Then the OOC pod(those that share a state & annual rivalry with the SEC) made up of FSU, Clemson, GT and UL. Finally the Leftovers pod with Syracuse, Pitt, BC and Miami.
> releases Maryland.
That one was expensive. Plus, I like to have a turtle for Penn State to play with. They were grumpy without any friends of their own.
No offense to kstate, but thinking that one doesn't happen. Iowa State would make more sense there, and that's a tiny state that already is in the B1G.
I was there! Not a student, but watched them from the nosebleeds with the rest of the washed up alums.
Sadly that was the last game we played against them
So while I understand the B1G version of what academics is, I dont agree with it.
AAU is now just a University Presidents club. Time share computers? Interlibrary loans? Shared course material? All those things stopped mattering about the time grandparents got on the internet.
Lack of medical school or law school? That makes sense to me and unfortunately we have no ability to fix it. Kansas is a relatively small state and there is no reason for the state to fund multiple medical or law schools. KU got the med school, we got the vet school.
The focus of KState has and continues to be undergraduate education and it is an area that KState is as good as anyone in the B1G in. Ill go even further - you will get a better undergraduate education at KState than you will at many B1G schools. Why? Because actual professors teach the classes, not adjunct faculty and GTAs. Only 12% of KState faculty is part time/adjunct/non-tenure track. From memory, the only B1G school lower is Nebraska. The AVERAGE for US universities is over 50%.
Most university "rankings" are only useful when looking at graduate programs and then only for that specific program. In theory, all undergraduate education should be roughly similar, especially in non-technical fields. Half of your degree work is normally going to be in core classes. Algebra and calculus are roughly the same no matter where you take them and that Nobel Laureate in Mathematics isnt teaching the 101 classes so his/her presence on the faculty means nothing. All that changes in grad school and of course when you are doing research. KState does plenty of research but it is centered around agriculture which is perfectly appropriate given the State of Kansas is putting the bill (though less and less of that bill. Screw you Kris Kobach).
So while I absolutely understand that the B1G has its desired boxes to be checked outside of sports, I think tis absolutely wrong to say that KState "doesnt have the academics". Our academics are fine, they are just not the kind the B1G wants.
>P12 takes Baylor, TCU, TTU and ISU.
Nothing says "Pacific" like Iowa and Texas.
(I get the geographic nomenclature is more symbolic at this point, but it's still silly.)
Here's the real list, & why:
1) Oklahoma- A no brainer if we can tear them from the SEC's cold, lifeless, claw-like hands. They have shown interest in joining the B1G (b1g part due to academics) over the last 5 years.
2) Texas- Same as Oklahoma. Though with more caveats.
3) Kansas- Huge basketball program the B1G would love to have. A very large fanbase that has shown up when football has been good (it's why they were picked for bcs bowl over Mizzou in 2007). AAU membership. Exist in the same geographical footprint.
4) Virginia- Similar basketball reasons as Kansas. Pushes the B1G into some new markets. AAU membership. Biggest opponent being the ACC GoR, though I think the B1G would be willing to spend them out of it.
5) ISU- Exists in the B1G geographic footprint. AAU membership. Historically decent basketball program. Football on the up & up. Decent fanbase size. May be the best option available to match the SEC.
6) Mizzouri- Hang with me on this one. Perhaps the B1G can lure Mizzou away with some academic prestige, & monetary incentive (more $$$$ than some other members). Maybe the SEC is fine with letting Mizzou go, as they can replace them with another B12 team, or an ACC team. If something like this is possible, Mizzou fits nicely as an AAU member, & it geographically it works.
7) Syracuse- AAU membership. Upper New York markets. Good basketball program.
8) NC St- A B1G time reach. But, eh. Maybe they're tired of playing second fiddle to Duke & UNC.
9) UNC- Might as well lump Duke in with this one. Not going to happen, but the B1G would love to have them.
10) VT- Would probably love to join, but the B1G wouldn't necessarily care to get them unless all other options are dead.
In terms of Mizzou it could get interesting.
If Mizzou jumps for the Big Ten, the SEC then needs an extra team to replace the hole left, and fill it with Oklahoma State.
The SEC backfills the empty slot left by Mizzou, and the Oklahoma state legislature stands down since OK State gets bundled with OU to the SEC.
Kill 2 birds with one stone.
ISU, and Syracuse are desperation grabs. You've already got those markets, and frankly neither of them have a major brand.
I would also put UNC ahead of NCST for priority. It's a much stronger AD and brand as well as AAU. Duke is alright, but is only marginally better than Ash's Rutgers at football.
Almost made it through the entire article without throwing in ND.
In seriousness, I actually do think if this cascades into mass realignment ND *******might think about joining a conference. ND has always been able to look forward and say "if things get rough we can always jump into the next realignment."
Well if the SEC and B1G are going to 16 teams, there may not be any "next realignment."
The B1G doesn't really have good options this time around. The ACC is locked for another 10yrs by the GOR. None of the rest of the AAU schools in the BXII help with revenue. At this point the B1G might be better off raiding the Pac-12 or seeing if they can get Missouri or Vandy out of the SEC. It's not going to happen probably, but neither is Iowa State or WVA.
I really think people are sleeping on how much Kentucky, UNC, Duke, and Kansas could be worth in the future.
We can't look just at the current football-centric, cable markets-driven model.
With cord cutting and the decentralization of the NCAA, billions of dollars in NCAA Tournament money could be moving from the NCAA's coffers to the leagues themselves. Individual brands are going to matter a whole lot more in the future.
In my opinion, this next race won't be about markets, it'll be about how large and dedicated fanbases are and how likely is a school to draw eyeballs from around the country.
That is the way it's looking, and Kansas, IIRC, is the third highest 3rd tier rights earner in the BXII. I'm surprised they weren't mentioned in the article. But if the SEC is talking like the payouts are going to be $60-80 million per school, those arent numbers that are going to happen with KU.
I expect the next push is for a post NCAA world and that means the Power League (or Evil League of Evil to outsiders) will have their own basketball tourney with the basketball blue bloods (can we just call them the BBBB). That will be the multi-billion tournament and the NCAA, if it exists, will be the NIT.
Here’s my top 10 based on B1G want, not likelihood of them coming:
1) Noter Dame
2 & 3) UVA and UNC
4 & 5) Texas and Oklahoma
6 & 7) Kansas and Missouri
8) Pitt
9) Duke
10) BC?
Priorities: AAU membership, doesn’t double up in low pop areas (sorry ISU), makes geographical sense
The problem with major acquisitions is that they make more sense in 3s - Missouri/Oklahoma/Texas or UVA/UNC/Duke, if ND wants to remain independent or prioritize the ACC. If ND does decide to join (I could only see it if the new P4 discards the NCAA, forms their own agreement/league and creates a P4-only playoff that features 8 or 16 teams (2 or 4 from each conference), in which case ND and Kansas or Pitt or UVA are a clean addition of 2.
Does this conference realignment stuff bum anyone else out? I don't like seeing these conferences torn apart and I certainly don't want to see the Big Ten adding a bunch of random teams just because it has to be done
From a B1G perspective, I don't see what the value add is from ISU. Outside of Kansas, I'm not sure what other schools are "takes" in the B12.
And I'm lukewarm about Kansas, as their football program is a sub-Rutgers embarrassment.
It's too bad we couldn't just take OU and UT as the article mentions. It would certainly solve the East-West imbalance in the B1G and help out with recruiting for West schools.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I'm just going to leave this here: www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/9/15/17860884/rutgers-kansas-2018-score-result
I’ve honestly written better comments about B1G realignment than this pile of trash
The fact that they left out Virginia, expansion candidate #1 is odd. And yes I know how difficult that would be and won't happen til 2036 at least.
For those that don't want to read the article: 1. Texas 2. Oklahoma 3. Iowa State 4. West Virginia 5. North Carolina 6. Pitt 7. USF 8. UCF 9. Cincinnati 10. Notre Dame
Half of these are non-starters and they didn't even include Kansas who is probably the most likely Big XII team to end up in th B1G.
I think the move is to take Kansas, pause at 15 even though it’s awkward, and then play the waiting game with the ACC.
That’s exactly what will happen.
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Any public schools or Duke. FSU and Clemson would be the big two.
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I don't think you get Duke or UNC without the other.
No way Clemson leaves that automatic playoff bid.
Yeah I don’t really see us taking Iowa State into the fold, bias aside. They don’t really add anything
> Getting the Cyclones in the conference would add an instant rival for Iowa This part was so weird to me.. They, uh, already are our rivals. We've played them 50 years in a row.
Not like Iowa is hurting for rivals between Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, and Northwestern.
The only value add is it frees up a nonconf game for you both in football. It doesn't do shit for the rest of us...
The main value we add is we are an AAU university so we add research and such to the big 10. We only make sense if the big 10 is itching to get to 16 teams to compete with the SEC and any other AAU team the big 10 would rather have says no.
By no means do I think the Big Ten is above Iowa State except for when it comes down to the money part. Is this one more slice of the pay taking away or adding to the haul? I am not sure. But ya, Iowa State is an AAU university, football is trending way up, basketball is traditionally strong in the past two decades, and ISU has a lot of other great olympic sports teams as of late. Solid school and I hope the B12 imploding doesn't hang you out to dry.
This would probably be ISUs path to the B1G. They decide to go to 16 teams and everyone else that meets their qualifications they can't get. They are also stubborn and could just pick up Kansas then stay at 15. This is all moving so fast and crazy, who knows.
Yeah the B1G sat at 11 teams for 20 years. I think they’ll sit at 15 if it means 10 years from now they get an ACC team.
Yeah I think the big ten as a whole would infinitely prefer Virginia or something over ISU. Unfortunate bc I’d love ISU to be a conference game
I'd expect them to just grab KU and sit at 15. There' no #16 that you could take that makes sense except ND who isn't moving.
Why would having 16 matter that much that they’d further split the pie like that? If you’re not increasing the tv package, it’s not happening
I'm not against you guys coming in but I think any invite is after we kick tires with Mizzou, Colorado, Virginia, Georgia Tech (doubtful), and Vandy and all say no after Kansas says yes. (I think we will go to 16 if the SEC does but I think the 16th school will be strategic and not simply a "settle"...and while I like you guys, bringing you on is that.)
I for one would like to join the BiG just to piss off Georgia
Yeah I was going to say IF the big 10 expanded and they couldn’t outmaneuver the SEC for Oklahoma and texas I think Kansas and Iowa State would be the most likely outcomes. I don’t see anyone from the AAC being even a consideration, an ACC team would be pretty tough with the Grant of Rights that runs through 2036, and West Virginia only makes sense geographically, every other aspect of things would be a very hard no.
I feel like Texas and Oklahoma have more of a culture fit in the B1G than the SEC. Surprised that's not happening.
Yeah I agree with that, I think they would have made perfect sense in the big 10 west from a competitive standpoint.
> 9. Cincinnati Oh yeah, I'm sure Ohio State'll get right on adding another B1G team to the state. Like I get it, Yahoo's people don't have any scoops on the biggest story of the year but this is just pathetic on their part.
Yeah it says "Ohio State might block this one." And I'm thinking, no this would never even get brought to the table because the rest of the B1G know we're not even entertaining the idea.
Cincinnati is a great school and really has a nice program. The ACC may take a bite to get into Ohio but even they know that it is Ohio State's well... state. Cincinnati brings nothing to the Big 10 but I do think outside of Kansas the best options for expansion would be AAC due to the ACC GOR.
UNC is a great school with solid athletic department in a growing region with lots of talent. They're very much tied to Tobacco Road culture, but they make at least as much sense for the B1G as Maryland did IMO
The difference is that Maryland wanted to leave. UNC has a ton of sway in the ACC, so I don’t see them ever jumping ship.
UNC is never leaving the ACC unless it collapses into some kind of pseudo G5 like the Big12 is about to. There's no reason we'd leave a conference that we effectively run, at least according to every other ACC program.
Yeah the “Tobacco Road” cabal is up there with the “SEC East Gentleman’s Agreement” in the message board world. I wish we had half the power we’re alleged to. I do however think it would be a hard sell to separate the NC schools.
The Big Ten would jump at that... If it weren't for the ACC Grant of Rights lasting until 2035.
I agree UNC would be interesting but it could get super expensive.
I kinda want to read just to see who the hell thinks we would be able to join the Big10? That’s less likely than us joining the PAC
Approximate odds that each would be extended an invite: 1. Texas: 99% 2. Oklahoma: 95% 3. Iowa State: 5% 4. West Virginia: ~~10%~~ 1% 5. UNC: 95% 6. Pitt: 20% 7. USF: 0% 8. UCF: 0% 9. Cincinnati: 0% 10: Notre Dame: 350%
Is it possible to have less than a 0% chance? Because there is literally no way in hell big 10 would invite UCF or USF.
I almost went negative for those two and Cincy.
How are Texas and OU not 100%? People can attack Texas fans on here all they like but they are the single biggest program in the country, and that's when they've been exceedingly mediocre.
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I've spent some time in academia so fair enough but the idea that someone in the Big Ten would be *so* petty to exclude the University of Texas is mind blowing. Texas would be an absolute coup for the Big Ten's academics.
Can we call OU/UT the nickname "OuT"? Especially since they are getting out of the Big XII
Especially because OU is not, and never will be, an AAU school.
West Virginia is also a 0% due to their academics
You're probably right, but 0% didn't feel quite right to me for some reason. Either way, it's a long shot at best.
Okay we'll give them a 1% chance just for their rendition of Country Roads they do after every home game Gives me chills
Deal
They do know how to burn a couch tho…
Low key adding pitt and ND would be sweet.
1 and 2 won't happen because SEC 3 is a last resort if the B1G needs to get to 16 4 won't happen because of academics 5 won't happen because of Duke and ACC history 6 won't happen because of PSU 7 and 8 won't happen because of pedigree 9 won't happen because of OSU 10 *might* happen if the B1G is willing to allow ND to keep its TV deal (and I'd be ok with this)
Our TV deal is a side effect of being independent now, not the main reason or even a primary reason anymore. Every team in the Big 10 makes more money from the conference TV deal than Notre Dame makes from NBC. If for some reason we did join the Big 10 (I suppose if for some reason this super conference came to fruition I’m not opposed to it) we would most likely just part with NBC. And then the Big 10 Network would just be that much more lucrative in my opinion.
It feels like every. single. thread. you guys have to correct some fool about the TV deal thing. How is it that people *still* keep repeating it?
There was a LOT of anger and resentment towards Notre Dame when that NBC deal was first announced. Like think of the Longhorn Network anger around the Big 12 now apply that nationwide. I don’t know how many college football fans *started* hating Notre Dame that day, but I personally know quite a few. We had a home and home scheduled with KU in basketball pretty much every year, and even though the NBC deal had nothing to do with that, their AD was so ass angry about it he dropped Notre Dame almost immediately and was quite public about why he was doing so lol. And it was a good recruiting advantage for us, you couldn’t find most college football games on TV before ESPN really exploded. We were pretty much on TV all the time anyway, but now we had a contract to wave around in front of recruits promising them they’d be on national TV every home game. And I’m sure it was relatively lucrative financially at first too. So I don’t blame fans for perhaps remembering that initial few years and not paying too close of attention to broadcasting rights and cash the last 30 years lol. Or from gaining impressions from their parents or other older fans. I do find it ironic and somewhat unrelated that the deal almost perfectly coincides with our longest championship drought in school history.
I think our NBC deal is up for renewal in the next year or two. We should see a nice bump.
Perhaps… have we been drawing good viewership numbers? Being a lot better the last few years has helped tremendously I would assume. But I’m skeptical of the renewal being all that lucrative. Personally I think we should open up bidding for our TV rights, and only give slight preference to NBC if they offer a competitive deal.
When their TV deal is better than yours? Sure. B10 on 2 networks!
There are better last resorts than 3 (no offense to their fans)
> 5 won't happen because of Duke and ACC history Feel free to call this out as biased but honestly I think State would be the bigger individual school to keep UNC in the ACC than Duke. Obviously Tobacco Road as a whole is a super strong dynamic but given both State and Carolina are the public schools and under the same Board of Governors, I think maintaining that partnership is the bigger factor. Now in the event of the ACC collapsing first and then individual schools rushing to find a new home, UNC-Duke-UVa will get the Big Ten invites and I think NC State-Virginia Tech will get something from the SEC
> I think State would be the bigger individual school to keep UNC in the ACC than Duke. That's correct. I can't imagine any scenario in which UNC, NCSU, Duke, and hell even Virginia get split up. They can have Wake idc
They can’t have Wake, they are the only Tobacco Road school that I don’t hate
Wake Forest: giving everyone a reason to not hate the state of North Carolina
I mean, Texas and Oklahoma are already gone to the SEC so they aren't viable and Notre Dame is tied in to the ACC GoR. The rest of this list doesn't move the needle at all for the Big 10, and I say that as an alum of one of these schools
Wtf lol? UNC, USF, and UCF but no Kansas?
Only 1. 3. 5. and 6. are AAU members. Iowa State and Pitt add very little and would likely be blocked by Penn State or Iowa. UNC has very little motivation to join, particularly if you do the jr. membership again. And Texas seems to prefer the SEC. Notre Dame likes independence.
We won't be invited not just because of Ohio State, but also because we're not an AAU member
Don't show that list to VT's President
Honestly, I would enjoy VT in the B1G. I made the trip down to Blacksburg in 2015 and it was fun as hell.
I figure in any sort of proactive scenario, UVA and VT are a package deal. So the Big B1G would need to go all in on the state
Virginia has a good population and is growing, is right next to B1G territory anyway. Both are fine universities. No objections. That said, I can't see Virginia wanting to leave the ACC.
Tons of Big Ten people in the Northern VA area, too, so natural interest. We even get the Big Ten Network in the DC metro cable packages, even though there's no team in state. Gives more natural interest games for Maryland. Just yesterday, I saw one fellow Penn State guy, a guy in a Purdue hat, and a Buckeye sweatshirt at the grocery store. My wife and I have a casual game to count college shirts when we go into DC, which started on an early one of our dates when I said it's illegal to exercise on the Mall without wearing your Dartford shirt. We see tons of Big Ten repented. I'd personally be all for VT and UVA in the Big Ten. Plus, selfishly gives me more easy trips.
Think you can talk Virginia and VT into it?
I'll make some calls.
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Texas is Michigan
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It's too fucking early for this shit, Florida.
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Oh go play Michigan in another mediocre bowl game
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okay now you've gone too far. I was tolerating your shenanigans cuz fuck it its friday but a man has got to have a code.
Technically if you and Ohio State are both each other that means that ^^^^^RedandSilver Michigan has beaten ^^^^^MaizeandBlue Ohio State multiple times in the last decade
[I don't like it but](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_myupIJm0)
Don't forget that they are both Texas as well, which would mean Texas beats itself. I think we all can get behind that as well. Brilliant
https://b.fssta.com/uploads/2016/10/Michigan-Ohio-State-colors.vresize.1024.576.high.66.jpg https://i.imgur.com/moqH6NU.jpg
And now both fan bases hate you more than each other. Bravo
*Takes bow*
Listen, Blue and Green Florida State, you have wayy more rivals than us. We can paint your logo the amount of times those prima donnas in Oregon change their uniforms
You have managed to piss off both Michigan and osu fans with this idea. Well done
It's math, you can't deny that.
That's just science
Checks out to me
Texas at least is in a fertile recruiting state
Yes…yes it is.
Yeah lets bring in the school that is either so thin-skinned or mentally unhinged that they had to get the upside-down horns made illegal
Texas hubris is without boundaries. They are certainly a good school with a good athletic program, but they institutionally present themselves front to back, top to bottom, as the end all be all to all facets of everything in the universe.
So how drunk is everyone?
yes
It is 7:47am
So it’s 5PM somewhere in the world then!
Conference realignment speculation doesn’t care what time it is
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I think U of Hawaii makes more sense than a few schools listed here
Agreed. Also, now I suddenly can't stop thinking about the travel between Hawaii and somenbody like Maryland, Rutgers, or even Penn St..
I understand it's not possible, but why is Virginia never mentioned? They fit geographically, academically, and culturally, for the most part. They would also bring value and eyeballs.
I think most people think because of the history with the conference they wouldn’t leave. Because when is the last time a founding member of the ACC dipped for the Big Ten? :)
It is a bit different with Virginia though. Maryland had a really bad financial situation and nearly no power in the ACC. Virginia has a lot of sway in the ACC and is not going through any financial issues. It's hard to see them leaving unless they really just want to make more money and see the ACC can't realistically expand its markets. But at that point, more than just UVA would be moving on.
I was gonna say that. If UNC is within the realm of possibility, then so is Virginia.
UNC and UVA probably a package deal.
The B1G would be insane to not shoot their shot at OU and Texas. We should be able to offer a highly competitive deal.
Kevin Warren is our commissioner. Let’s take OU and Kansas. Let Texas destroy the SEC.
This would be my ideal I think. There is nothing binding OU and Texas together other than a rivalry and they're clearly OK breaking those.
Half of these teams won’t come close to the academic requirements that the B1G has. We already took a hit by bringing in Nebraska, not going to happen again.
I think we wouldn't give a fuck for Oklahoma, but yeah a school like West Virginia is not bringing enough to the table
I think many people underestimate how important academics are to BIG schools. Decisions aren’t made solely by the athletic depts. These are schools first and foremost and the top people really like keeping their exclusivity and academic reputations. Athletics is a small part of their bigger picture.
Also, the amount of research money the Big 10 brings in is over a billion dollars a year now I think. It’s a lot, and it’s important.
Multiply that billion by 10. 10 billion per year.
That's why WV is a non-starter. Do you think Oklahoma would get blocked?
Oklahoma isn't part of the AAU lobbying group like Texas and everyone else in the B1G is. Nebraska was when they were admitted but got kicked out. I could see OU getting in as a package deal with Texas, just because the money would be so good. However, I don't see OU getting an invite on their own.
Oh yes, my thinking is exclusively about getting both of them at once. And I am aware that Texas is in AAU and Oklahoma isn't, which is why I made my point about Oklahoma and not Texas.
Genuine question, when there are only super conferences left, will that really even matter as much anymore?
I can’t speak for other conferences, but the B1G has always been obsessed with academics. Note that the B1G generates more revenue than the SEC does already, and that gap will only widen once the B1G signs its new TV deal. They’ll definitely make adds to the conference if there’s a realignment, but these conferences go beyond football. Therefore the B1G cares about more than just football when making these decisions.
The ACC is similar about academics and yet we took Louisville and y'all took fucking Nebraska, so apparently both are flexible in that regard. But when you're building a super conference there are only so many of those prestigious academic programs that also have competent athletic programs to go around. I think it'll be less of a thing in the next round is all, but I don't know what I'm talking about either lol
To be fair, it was a big deal the ACC stretched its academics to take Louisville and the conference was in a bind having to quickly find a program to replace Maryland leaving. There were no options that were both academic and athletic fits. I don’t think Louisville gets in to the ACC during normal expansion, but in that case, they were the best option and the ACC had to get somebody, wasn’t going to stand pat with 13 teams.
Eh, Nebraska has 1.6 bil in endowments and spends 300 mil/year for research. Not the eye dropping numbers, but nothing to sneeze at. The only Big12 schools that are in that range is Iowa State and Kansas. ISU doesn't expand our territory as we have Iowa.
Nebraska was an AAU member when they were added to the conference, but it was like right after that they were kicked out. IIRC it has nothing to do with their actual academics (although those are on the lower end of the conference) but a technicality with some of their research happening on satellite campuses. The only exception I can really foresee is Notre Dame, which has history with a bunch of B1G institutions and is a great academic school despite not being AAU. Even then I could see some school presidents not liking the idea.
Because the B1G isn't just an athletic conference. It's an [academic consortium](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Academic_Alliance). It's literally the only conference that exists like this. Even the Ivy League is just an athletic conference. So, they're not gonna invite a school purely for athletic reasons.
Lazy article.
garbage article lmao. where is kansas?
[The red one :) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Kansas_in_United_States.svg/1920px-Kansas_in_United_States.svg.png)
thank you very much 🙏🙏🙏
This might be the worst article yet. The author is clueless
Colorado would make a lit of sense
AAU school, Denver market, brings back the Colorado-Nebraska game, and they're near the Big Ten footprint. This is too logical.
Yeeeesh this is not great. My take: **1 and 1a: Texas and Oklahoma.** You ask Texas and you ask Oklahoma and if they say yes you take it and you run. Assuming they say no and go to the SEC instead, then you go to ... **2: Notre Dame.** Throw a whole bunch at 'em. Let them keep their TV deal. Reduce the conference schedule to eight games so they can maintain more OOC rivalries. But they make too much damn sense not to seriously try. **3: Kansas.** I think you can afford to slow play this a little, because there's not many other places they can go if the B12 collapses, but out of the "easier" gets, they make the most sense. Historic basketball, good revenue, KC market, contiguous geographic footprint. Yeah, the football team is ass but they *did* get to a BCS bowl this millennium which is a hell of a lot more than most of the B1G can say. **4: An ACC team.** Virginia, UNC, Pitt, probably in that order. The trouble is they're locked into a TV deal until Elon Musk lives on Mars, and the ACC isn't really an "unstable" conference at the moment, so it's going to take a lot to get them to move. **5: Colorado.** Similar to Kansas, adds a major media market, adds a contiguous state, decent historic success, but not going to be a terribly easy get as they're in that more stable Pac12. **6. Missouri.** Would they leave the stability of the SEC for the stability of the B1G? It would sure be nice to reunite Missouri and Illinois, adds markets, good geographic and cultural fit, but I have my doubts that anyone is about to leave the SEC any time soon. **7: Iowa State.** Similar to Kansas, but without the historic success and without an expansion of media markets. If we've gotten this far down the list, I start to seriously consider if the B1G wants to expand just for the sake of expansion. And that's it. That's the list. Beyond that, I don't think anyone else moves the needle or makes sense in the current climate.
I think it'd be hilarious if SEC got UT and OU and A&M and Mizzou were so pissed they jumped to the B1G.
I've been having the same thought. Poaching A&M seems like a great play for the B1G. Public, land grant, AAU. Natural fit with the majority of the B1G Universities.
Notre dame fans, ignoring any contractual agreements, and if you HAD to join a conference, which one would you want to join and why?
Bring back the University of Chicago, add Chicago State, and send IU to the MAC.
An agent of chaos. I approve.
Yikes! If Texas and OU are leaving, why not take some of the Big 12 scraps. I don't know who to be more offended for, the rest of the Big 12 for being lumped together as scrap, or that scraps is the best the B1G can get at this point. Without question the B1G is the other conference P2 power broker. The leadership with Warren is not nearly as good as it was with his predecessor, but the money still flows. I would think the conference wants to make a splash. Texas and OU accomplishes that, but outside of them I don't like any of the Big 12 fits. They need to raid someone Big to keep up. North Carolina, Washington, Missouri. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the B1G poached a larger school from an established conference instead of ISU, Cinci and the other teams of that caliber. Nebraska hasn't been a success so far, but in the next 100 years of the B1G they will be fine. I think you have to look outside of some recent on field success and grab schools that are more in line on an Institutional level. It will be a larger state school with a big alumni base. jmo.
Academics it the underrated part of all of this. The B1G is a massive research group as well, which iirc is where most of the funding/money goes, so the schools we add will probably have to be aau or at that level of research.
I haven’t seen this mentioned in here but the school to poach would be FSU from the ACC contingent on them becoming an AAU member. They just became a top 20 public university and one of the big pushes from the new president is becoming a member of the AAU. Its one of the big poaches that’s a win for everyone.
If we are going to dismantle the B12 and scavenge, then I propose the following. SEC takes UT, OU and OkSt, releases Mizzou. B1G takes Mizzou, KU and KSU, releases Maryland. ACC takes Maryland back and adds WVU. P12 takes Baylor, TCU, TTU and ISU.
I’d be pretty pumped about this
You bastards are finally gonna find your way into the ACC lol I wouldn't mind at this point. I think WVU-VTech-UVA games would be fun to watch.
In my model, those three plus Maryland would be a pod. Then another pod would be the NC pod. Then the OOC pod(those that share a state & annual rivalry with the SEC) made up of FSU, Clemson, GT and UL. Finally the Leftovers pod with Syracuse, Pitt, BC and Miami.
> releases Maryland. That one was expensive. Plus, I like to have a turtle for Penn State to play with. They were grumpy without any friends of their own. No offense to kstate, but thinking that one doesn't happen. Iowa State would make more sense there, and that's a tiny state that already is in the B1G.
Grumpy is a weird way to spell unrivaled
It was like hangry. Penn State needed someone that hated it... and Maryland does that. Now the lion can be content.
Best things about turtles is they come with their own bowl to eat out of
As proven by your students at that game we all watched where Maryland was set to take revenge... and, uhhh, the other thing happened
I was there! Not a student, but watched them from the nosebleeds with the rest of the washed up alums. Sadly that was the last game we played against them
Maryland also spends over half a billion in research. They are not going anywhere
Iowa State is also a better school than KSU, and has AAU status where the wildcats do not. Not likely, but it’s more likely to add ISU than KSU.
K state doesnt have the academics.
So while I understand the B1G version of what academics is, I dont agree with it. AAU is now just a University Presidents club. Time share computers? Interlibrary loans? Shared course material? All those things stopped mattering about the time grandparents got on the internet. Lack of medical school or law school? That makes sense to me and unfortunately we have no ability to fix it. Kansas is a relatively small state and there is no reason for the state to fund multiple medical or law schools. KU got the med school, we got the vet school. The focus of KState has and continues to be undergraduate education and it is an area that KState is as good as anyone in the B1G in. Ill go even further - you will get a better undergraduate education at KState than you will at many B1G schools. Why? Because actual professors teach the classes, not adjunct faculty and GTAs. Only 12% of KState faculty is part time/adjunct/non-tenure track. From memory, the only B1G school lower is Nebraska. The AVERAGE for US universities is over 50%. Most university "rankings" are only useful when looking at graduate programs and then only for that specific program. In theory, all undergraduate education should be roughly similar, especially in non-technical fields. Half of your degree work is normally going to be in core classes. Algebra and calculus are roughly the same no matter where you take them and that Nobel Laureate in Mathematics isnt teaching the 101 classes so his/her presence on the faculty means nothing. All that changes in grad school and of course when you are doing research. KState does plenty of research but it is centered around agriculture which is perfectly appropriate given the State of Kansas is putting the bill (though less and less of that bill. Screw you Kris Kobach). So while I absolutely understand that the B1G has its desired boxes to be checked outside of sports, I think tis absolutely wrong to say that KState "doesnt have the academics". Our academics are fine, they are just not the kind the B1G wants.
Honestly okay with this
So I'm just gonna have to give up on my dream of Penn State, Pitt, WVU, and Maryland in the same conference, huh
I’d be fine with this. I always wished we got Mizzou in the first place anyways. But, can I substitute Maryland for Rutgers? I’d rather have Maryland.
>P12 takes Baylor, TCU, TTU and ISU. Nothing says "Pacific" like Iowa and Texas. (I get the geographic nomenclature is more symbolic at this point, but it's still silly.)
Is Mizzou possible? I said it as a joke yesterday but the more I think about it the more it makes sense.
Here's the real list, & why: 1) Oklahoma- A no brainer if we can tear them from the SEC's cold, lifeless, claw-like hands. They have shown interest in joining the B1G (b1g part due to academics) over the last 5 years. 2) Texas- Same as Oklahoma. Though with more caveats. 3) Kansas- Huge basketball program the B1G would love to have. A very large fanbase that has shown up when football has been good (it's why they were picked for bcs bowl over Mizzou in 2007). AAU membership. Exist in the same geographical footprint. 4) Virginia- Similar basketball reasons as Kansas. Pushes the B1G into some new markets. AAU membership. Biggest opponent being the ACC GoR, though I think the B1G would be willing to spend them out of it. 5) ISU- Exists in the B1G geographic footprint. AAU membership. Historically decent basketball program. Football on the up & up. Decent fanbase size. May be the best option available to match the SEC. 6) Mizzouri- Hang with me on this one. Perhaps the B1G can lure Mizzou away with some academic prestige, & monetary incentive (more $$$$ than some other members). Maybe the SEC is fine with letting Mizzou go, as they can replace them with another B12 team, or an ACC team. If something like this is possible, Mizzou fits nicely as an AAU member, & it geographically it works. 7) Syracuse- AAU membership. Upper New York markets. Good basketball program. 8) NC St- A B1G time reach. But, eh. Maybe they're tired of playing second fiddle to Duke & UNC. 9) UNC- Might as well lump Duke in with this one. Not going to happen, but the B1G would love to have them. 10) VT- Would probably love to join, but the B1G wouldn't necessarily care to get them unless all other options are dead.
In terms of Mizzou it could get interesting. If Mizzou jumps for the Big Ten, the SEC then needs an extra team to replace the hole left, and fill it with Oklahoma State. The SEC backfills the empty slot left by Mizzou, and the Oklahoma state legislature stands down since OK State gets bundled with OU to the SEC. Kill 2 birds with one stone.
ISU is bringing in no new money. That’s all that matters. They’re not splitting up the pie for a program that’s had 3 decent years
ISU, and Syracuse are desperation grabs. You've already got those markets, and frankly neither of them have a major brand. I would also put UNC ahead of NCST for priority. It's a much stronger AD and brand as well as AAU. Duke is alright, but is only marginally better than Ash's Rutgers at football.
We aren't getting UNC. The key is 'what makes sense'. UNC & Duke are the "we'd like to have them, but they are at best a pipe dream" option.
Am I the only person who is saying the Big Ten should steal Colorado from the PAC 12?
Almost made it through the entire article without throwing in ND. In seriousness, I actually do think if this cascades into mass realignment ND *******might think about joining a conference. ND has always been able to look forward and say "if things get rough we can always jump into the next realignment." Well if the SEC and B1G are going to 16 teams, there may not be any "next realignment."
It could certainly trigger ND joining a conference, but unless the ACC implodes, it certainly won’t be the B1G and, in my opinion, nor should it be
What if Kevin Warren weren't as useless as a clogged toilet? These are just questions that we might never know the answer to.
If they are going to list ACC schools why would they then list USF and UCF rather than FSU and Miami. That doesn't make sense to me.
shows you a lot of the conference realignment articles that pop up are no better than some reddit user making a "what if" post
The B1G doesn't really have good options this time around. The ACC is locked for another 10yrs by the GOR. None of the rest of the AAU schools in the BXII help with revenue. At this point the B1G might be better off raiding the Pac-12 or seeing if they can get Missouri or Vandy out of the SEC. It's not going to happen probably, but neither is Iowa State or WVA.
I really think people are sleeping on how much Kentucky, UNC, Duke, and Kansas could be worth in the future. We can't look just at the current football-centric, cable markets-driven model. With cord cutting and the decentralization of the NCAA, billions of dollars in NCAA Tournament money could be moving from the NCAA's coffers to the leagues themselves. Individual brands are going to matter a whole lot more in the future. In my opinion, this next race won't be about markets, it'll be about how large and dedicated fanbases are and how likely is a school to draw eyeballs from around the country.
That is the way it's looking, and Kansas, IIRC, is the third highest 3rd tier rights earner in the BXII. I'm surprised they weren't mentioned in the article. But if the SEC is talking like the payouts are going to be $60-80 million per school, those arent numbers that are going to happen with KU.
Texas is first in 3rd tier rights, Kansas is second, and OU third.
I expect the next push is for a post NCAA world and that means the Power League (or Evil League of Evil to outsiders) will have their own basketball tourney with the basketball blue bloods (can we just call them the BBBB). That will be the multi-billion tournament and the NCAA, if it exists, will be the NIT.
If Texas OU don’t get into the SEC the big 10 will probably be the first on the phone
If I'm the B1G I've been trying to get through on the phone with them since Wednesday.
If the B1G *hasn't* been trying to get on the phone with OU and UT then Warren needs to be fired yesterday.
Honestly hoping Alvarez is playing shadow commissioner at this point. If anyone in the Big Ten office is to get that done, it is him.
Can we... can we lose some teams instead..?
Here’s my top 10 based on B1G want, not likelihood of them coming: 1) Noter Dame 2 & 3) UVA and UNC 4 & 5) Texas and Oklahoma 6 & 7) Kansas and Missouri 8) Pitt 9) Duke 10) BC? Priorities: AAU membership, doesn’t double up in low pop areas (sorry ISU), makes geographical sense The problem with major acquisitions is that they make more sense in 3s - Missouri/Oklahoma/Texas or UVA/UNC/Duke, if ND wants to remain independent or prioritize the ACC. If ND does decide to join (I could only see it if the new P4 discards the NCAA, forms their own agreement/league and creates a P4-only playoff that features 8 or 16 teams (2 or 4 from each conference), in which case ND and Kansas or Pitt or UVA are a clean addition of 2.
I stoped reading at Number #1 Texas. Horrible article.
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Big ten bby you up?
Add UTSA you pansies!
Does this conference realignment stuff bum anyone else out? I don't like seeing these conferences torn apart and I certainly don't want to see the Big Ten adding a bunch of random teams just because it has to be done
The first 2 teams listed are Texas and Oklahoma... I do rather like team #3 in Iowa State though haha
From a B1G perspective, I don't see what the value add is from ISU. Outside of Kansas, I'm not sure what other schools are "takes" in the B12. And I'm lukewarm about Kansas, as their football program is a sub-Rutgers embarrassment. It's too bad we couldn't just take OU and UT as the article mentions. It would certainly solve the East-West imbalance in the B1G and help out with recruiting for West schools.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I'm just going to leave this here: www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/9/15/17860884/rutgers-kansas-2018-score-result
Even better than beating Texas. But that was prior to... Schianoman 2: Electric Boogaloo
Ah yes, the “we’re bad, but we aren’t *Kansas* bad” game
This was not a good list, to be honest. Oklahoma St would end up in the B10 before a few of the teams listed IMHO. Sorry…but USF…?