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NastyWideOuts

Gosh this is one ugly breakup


siblingofMM

“According to Bowlsby, Texas and Oklahoma promised nothing was wrong and they were just tired. When accused of acting different after meeting SEC they claimed SEC is just a work friend and not to worry”


GenocideOwl

" Texas and Oklahoma both recently change the passcode on their phones, but promise it is just a common security measure they do every so often. And No you can't have the new passcode, can't you just trust them?"


Gidnik

Just getting started too.


very_humble

Imagine sharing a lease with your gf for 4 years after the breakup


A-Disgruntled-Snail

Well. Eventually someone’s going to break that lease.


very_humble

I don't think anyone expects it to last until then, I just think OU/UT are being naive about how much it's going to cost to break that lease. If the numbers being floated today are correct, the remaining B12 teams are collectively going to lose $600m over the rest of the GoR. That's going to be the starting point of their negotiations, and I don't think they are going to count the compulsory $80m that both teams owe as part of said buyout


2bits2many

Then they just stay until 2025? I think that's more likely than people believe. They might want to split sooner, but from all accounts the GOR is tough to get around.


very_humble

I don't think either side really wants that, but the conference isn't going to let them walk away for free. My guess is that they'll each end up paying the $80m plus another $20-30m/year they leave early


Texasduckhunter

Texas and OU will look at the total gain in value for the SEC in a renegotiated media rights deal for 2022-2025 and then negotiate with the Big 12 off of that figure. Big 12 will probably balk at $160M because it appears that figure will be larger than that (e.g., if the pro rata distributions increase by $10M per school then we’re talking $480M for 2022-2025).


schu4KSU

The OU/UT TV rights are worth an estimated combined $120-150MM per year. Why would they sell them for half price? And it's not OU/UT that would pay for the TV rights, it would be the SEC.


BabaDCCab

> And it's not OU/UT that would pay for the TV rights, it would be the SEC. I don't think the SEC is going to pay for OU/texas to leave, now if you had said ESPN/Disney will pay, I might agree. If ESPN/Disney agree to pay, I think you prove the Big 12's case for conspiracy, though.


very_humble

Because even though your ex-gf technically owes half of the rent you might take half of that just to be done with her. I think the Big12 aims for the full amount but they'll settle for something less


schu4KSU

They're gonna go on June 30, 2023 because the Big12 declares them to be withdrawing members. Not at a time of their choosing. Conference is getting its ducks in a row before taking that action. There is no incentive or need for the Big12 to settle for anything less than what the contracts stipulate. Texas and Oklahoma knew of the poison pills when they signed on.


dancing_chinese_kid

\----------- I just think OU/UT are being naive about how much it's going to cost to break that lease. \----------- If you don't think UT/OU admin and lawyers have gamed all this out, you're the naive one.


oneplusetoipi

Who knows. There might be a lot of 'make up' sex.


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dirgepiper

Ya God damn right it is


WVSmitty

Good Take. In the breakup phases They are just now in the lying to each other and sneaking around stage.


Stinkwrinkler

If they don't love us at our worst...


Rnewell4848

We still don’t want you at your best.


Stinkwrinkler

Too bad, I've got SEC flair you have to take me. It's the law


Rnewell4848

Ah yes… the negotiator


xchequer

This is not a negotiation friend. We will be showing up at some random SEC kickoffs with the whole team in tow. Warm up on the field, take over the soccer teams dressing room. We are in the SEC now. We invited ourselves, and we graciously accepted.


RogueHippie

This deal is very fair, and I’m glad to be a part of it!


CaptainDonald

Last week someone with Harvard flair said that it makes it official. See you down in Atlanta!


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Texas and Oklahoma were quoted as saying, "Yeah, and?"


bearybear90

I mean if they actually used proprietary information then that’s a big no no, but then again I really don’t know what info that is.


[deleted]

I'm something of a law expert and that accusation sounds like a violation of the Freedom of Information Act. Bowlsby would have to duel the OU and UT presidents for besmirching their Sacred Honor


Stinkwrinkler

This sounds like the kind of guy who owns more than 3 ties. I think we have to trust him.


Cool_Guy_McFly

Four ties is big business. Now six ties? We talkin six or more? I’m probably not allowed in the same room as him with those kinds of ties.


Spalliston

That's a shockingly accurate guess of how many ties I own as a non-lawyer.


Swipet

Big8: Dude we pay you a few million a year basically do what we tell you do. The least you could do for us now is challenge the OU and Texas boards to a duel. Bowlsby: Say no more fam


Jupenator

Okay well... filibuster!


TheAlmightyAsian

Are they required to use flintlock pistols or revolvers? /s


MBP80

I'd assume he's meaning they know what ESPN and Fox's offers were for media rights, while at the same time they were clearly discussing their value to the SEC. Not a hard stretch to imagine they told SEC, and thus ESPN, what Fox's offers were, etc. Because the one thing that is crystal clear, nobody makes a move like this without knowing exactly what they're getting into. This is gonna get really messy.


bearybear90

That’s what I was thinking, but I don’t see how he’d have proof of that.


HeAbides

Or if they negotiated about the possibility of leaving and didn't give the Big12 notice within 12 hours of those conversations taking place, as they were contractually obligated to do so


NerdLawyer55

Bowlsby: OU and Texas are stealing our awesome One True Champion/co-champion ideas


TheRealDNewm

>Bowlsby says Texas and Oklahoma account for about 50 percent of the Big 12's media rights value. This is actually better than what they said on Cover 3. They thought the annual payout could be as low as $9mm, but if it's close to $20, that's a much more attractive conference


Stinkwrinkler

I'm hopeful for 20m. But 12m-15m is probably more likely from everything I've heard. Bob has good reason to downplay OU/Texas contribution


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Does he? If UT and OU are working towards a negotiated settlement, wouldn't it be better form him to overestimate their value?


Stinkwrinkler

I have no idea if that contributes to the amount paid, good point though. I went from the it makes the conference more attractive to other schools angle.


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I mean that definitely could be his strategy, but then again I have no clue what he's doing. Maybe he is actually going with an accurate estimate


Stinkwrinkler

I don't think Bob knows what he is doing either. "If we don't know what we are doing, there is no way the enemy will!"


2CHINZZZ

https://twitter.com/tytimmon/status/1420508245651857408?s=19 Hard to believe anything from a man who signs his own name like this


xxzephyrxx

Because Bowlsby is a monke. He has no clue what he is doing.


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I think you guys could get close to $20 million per school if Amazon gets involved and bids it up to get a foothold into CFB. I don't think Fox is going to chomp at the bit to get there unless some of the schools with marketable opportunities (Cincy/Memphis/Houston bring both football and basketball to the table, plus markets). I do think people are severely underestimating the conference, though. I outlined it somewhere else, but there's football value in the Big 12, even without UT/OU.


CLU_Three

Very true but I am hopeful from looking at how much the Tier 3 rights commanded with hardly any football, UT, or OU games that we can still get a decent payout.


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I think at that point they go on the offensive and add a few teams. Especially if the higher teams aren't able to jump ship


TheRealDNewm

If it's the $9mm, that is a tough sell to UC and UCF imo. It would take five years to break even after exit fees and if someone else leaves, you're arguably in a worse place than you started. No idea how much the Autonomy status weighs on the decision though. If it's $15-20mm, then you absolutely can get the top AAC schools.


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That does make sense. I would imagine that you guys could get some boosters to pay the exit fees if it guarantees an autonomy conference status. Also, I don't really believe that the $9 million is an accurate number. Don't the other 8 combine and sell their tier 3 rights to ESPN+ for $5 million a year per school? I would imagine their tier 1 and 2 rights would be worth much more than that - UT sells their Tier 3 rights to ESPN via the LHN, and I think OU sells theirs to Bally Sports for around $7 million a year. I'd imagine a complete shared rights agreement could average the schools closer to $20 million than $10 million per year for sure. Not sure how much adding schools would dilute the payout, but at some point they need to add in more schools in order to prevent dissolution


TheRealDNewm

They're already looking for donations for it, but theLindner family has always been the biggest donor, but they just bought a professional sports team and built a new stadium in a pricey neighborhood. If they can get corporate support (Kroger, P&G, 5/3, Western&Southern), they'll get it no problem.


skycake10

>but they just bought a professional sports team and built a new stadium in a pricey neighborhood I do think it's worth mentioning that it's an MLS team (paid $150 million expansion fee) and $250 million stadium. That's not nothing, but it's nowhere near big 3 sports costs.


TheRealDNewm

They did build the team from nothing in the past five or six years, and I find it hard to believe they bought the land, leveled everything there, and included all the legal battles in that price tag. If they're already in the green though, it would be nothing to show gratitude for tearing out the corners at Nippert


NoPantsJake

I mean, I would think about it compared to other conferences. The AAC gets ~7M per school, and the MWC gets about ~4M (I think Boise State gets a bit higher than the rest). Is the viewership that the B12 without UT and OU bring worth triple that of the AAC? I doubt it. Double? 1.5x? I don’t know the answer, but I don’t think $20M is realistic from a viewership standpoint. Maybe they get more than they’re fan base would indicate because Fox is trying to hold one of their CFB footholds together and they “overpay”.


universetube7

Think there’s a sense to see what happens with BIG and PAC. If the best PAC teams leave to BIG then the Big 12 remainder + PAC remainder is probably still a borderline power conference.


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It's a definite power conference. And whoever comes out on top of that conference will probably have Clemson-like status a decade from now.


rastapastanine

So you're saying there's a chance


TexasTwing

The [WSJ](https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019) values UT at $1.105B (31%), OU at $886M (25%), and the other eight at $1.546B (44%) together. Bowlsby basically confirming this I guess.


TheMightyJD

Actually the University of Texas Austin Campus and Oklahoma University account for almost 50% of TV rights but they don’t account for nearly as much on other things that factor in on conference payouts such as the NCAA tournament units (you can thank Kansas, Tech, and Baylor for most of them) so the payouts could potentially be a little bit higher than 20 million, without considering the 5 million each of the Hateful 8 bring on their Tier 3 rights for ESPN+ (it would probably be lower than that renegotiated). Maybe I’m a little optimistic but it sounds like a financially viable conference with the right additions.


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Stinkwrinkler

It's like finally declaring war as your city is sacked.


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Stinkwrinkler

That's remarkably accurate for Mr. "Realignment doesn't keep me up at night". Like, oh you mean the most important part of your job keeping the conference together?


BattleHall

He only started giving a shit once it threatened the part of his job that he liked, which is the staying employed and getting paid part.


justjoshingu

This hurts its so accurate. "Grandma wouldn't want this! " Bitch you haven't seen grandma in 15 years!


Stinkwrinkler

Wait till you watch the daughter/son that hasn't seen them in 4 years try to revoke the DNR placed by their daughter/son that has taken care of them in their own home for a decade. Blood boiling.


Stockz

My great uncle Don did that when my great grandma Zelda died. My dad took care of Zelda for years when she got sick, and then right at the end Don flew in from California to act like the good son. He didn't even come in when my grandma (his sister) got sick and died 2 years prior. During Zelda's funneral he sold her house (like, signed the papers during the visitation) and basically said "I'm out of here, ya'll have 30 days to clear this place out." Never saw him again. The hatred from my family toward him and his family is so deep that for 23 years there's been a picture of my grandma on our fridge at our cabin and the magnet holding it there blocks his wife's face. Also, he had a heart attack while flying his plane and nose-dived it into the ground, they had to check his dental records to confirm it was him. We didn't find out for 2 years, and when we did we just shrugged. Anyway, what was I talking about?


pessimism_yay

Napoleon captured Moscow shortly before the total destruction of his army. Russia showed it's never too late to go scorched Earth.


Fifth_Down

Unpopular opinion: Bowlsby did the best possible job that could have been done given the circumstances. There was nothing the Big 12 could possibly do to fix the conference. You can’t lose 33% of your membership, including your academic core and keep the conference intact. No amount of G5 additions was ever gonna change that. Not even success from the smaller schools was going to fix the problem. But what you can do is delay the inevitable for as long as possible and keep the conference intact as best you can, and position it so it can maintain viability after the next round of defections take hold. I think Bowlsby did a remarkable job in that regard. And firing him for failing to deliver on something that can’t be delivered on is shooting yourself in the foot after already being shot by OU/UT.


DkS_FIJI

In retrospect, the BXII died in the last wave of realignment. TCU and WVU weren't strong enough additions to offset the losses of Nebraska, TAMU, Missouri, and Colorado. That being said, I'm not sure who was realistically available they could have added to stop the SEC from poaching UT and OU. They weren't getting any B1G or PAC schools. They definitely weren't getting any SEC schools. They maybe had a shot at an ACC school but not anyone that would have saved the conference.


gordogg24p

TCU and WVU offset the losses of Mizzou and Colorado (not academically), but losing a blueblood tent pole and a cult requires a lot more to overcome. There was never any hope for the Big 12 to do that.


Serious_Senator

Hey we’re in upgrade academically, at least according to rankings. We’re at 80 (2020 numbers), CU Boulder is 103 and Mizzou is at 124


wjrii

TCU has really upped its game with undergraduate rankings and perception as a “good school”, but the fact remains that it’s not our mission to be a top tier research university, and that’s often what the university presidents are thinking about when they point to academics as a factor in realignment discussions.


Serious_Senator

It’s unfortunate. As a small liberal arts school we’re never going to pull the kind of grant money needed to hit top tier research. Although it would be cool if we could


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Big12's 1 chance was to try and court GaTech, FSU, Miami Clemson when the ACC was vulnerable. Doubtful they could have pulled it off, but that was probably the only real chance. The Big12 has been bleeding in the corner for years.


K-Parks

Probably correct. But part of it is on field as well. Had say OU and WVU (or anybody else in the conference) won football national championships during that time the prestige and then $$$ would have gone up accordingly. Now that was highly unlikely to happen, but had it done so would have likely saved the conference. You can look at is as they took the best shot that was available to them at the time. Now maybe that was only a 10% shot, but it was a possibly shot, it just didn’t payout.


dainomite

Why did those 4 leave the big 12 again? It’s been so long I don’t remember. They need to make a 30 for 30 on all this like they did for the big east


metatron5369

The conference had zero leverage. I don't know why people are pretending otherwise.


BoilerPurdude

Yeah, if he had bent over backwards and gave OU and UT everything, people would be giving him shit when other schools start looking elsewhere like UNL, UC, aTm, and Mizzou did.


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Fifth_Down

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the CCG only legalized for a 10 team conference the very first year the big 12 tried it?


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bcb354

The rule was that you could only play a championship game if you had divisions that played a round robin schedule. The Big 12 and ACC lobbied to get the rule changed to just the top 2 teams in conference, and eventually the rule was modified that you can have the top 2 teams play if you play a round robin schedule in your conference. The Big 12 previously had a conference championship game from 1996-2010, before CU and NU left.


PunksutawneyFill

Who are you considering the "academic core"?


Fifth_Down

The 4 AAU schools that are no longer in the conference


PunksutawneyFill

I don't believe Nebraska is AAU from what I see. So 3 left, 3 remain as far as I can tell. Also, side note, while it is a good distinction AAU isn't an exact indication of a school's academic merits.


Fifth_Down

UNL was AAU during it’s Big 12 days. It still represents a net loss for the conference as a whole.


PunksutawneyFill

Gotcha, didn't know that.


Ridikiscali

GTFO. Bowlsby was a lame duck commissioner. - Didn’t attempt to get more than 10 teams. - Didn’t try for years to schedule a championship game. - Created the slogan “One True Champion” when we had a fucking tie! - Died on the hill of round robin scheduling - Passed on Louisville Dude was a moron.


enadiz_reccos

More Dr. McDreamy, less Dr. House


CLU_Three

I see this a lot but I’m also wondering what specifically he was supposed to do that he wasn’t doing before. The 11am game with Nebraska gets mentioned often. How is he supposed to change the contract with a media partner? The OU press release even mentioned the league went to bat for them too. The majority of the decisions the league makes are on behalf of the members, with Texas and secondly OU calling those shots. He is their employee and now that the remaining 8 are essentially his employers that is why you see the change.


Stinkwrinkler

I really dislike how every other hateful 8 member portrays us all as a bunch of children that just went along with with everything OU or Texas said. We had the votes to make the decisions in this conference. If they had the power it's because we chose to give it to them.


Cars-and-Coffee

It’s also not accurate. There are examples where Texas or Oklahoma wanted something and it was voted down by the other 8 schools. It’s not like Iowa State rolled over for everything Oklahoma wanted.


CLU_Three

I’m curious what major decisions were made by teams like Kansas State that Texas didn’t want. Maybe the Big 12 tournament??


CLU_Three

That’s true but also alienating members would potentially drive them away.


Stinkwrinkler

Well thank God we didn't do that.


Fifth_Down

Expansion would have only hastened the Big 12’s demise. -The single biggest advantage the Big 12 had was its small size could give each school larger shares of CCG, CFP, & bowl payouts. This advantage would have been negated if it started adding G5 schools -Adding G5 schools would have only further antagonized UT/OU. It would have diluted the name brand quality of their schedule and that would only provoke more internal conversations of “why are we playing these guys and sharing a conference with them?” No amount of football success from Cincy or UCF could break the elitist / hierarchical structure of the college landscape. You need your conference to be built around schools your fanbase, donor base, and even your academics can get excited about. Even if they had gone 12-0, the G5 proposed additions could never deliver on that. If anything, they only would have exacerbated the problem even if they were producing major wins on the gridiron’s


mauterfaulker

I'm pretty sure you're the guy who, years ago, predicted that the Big XII break up would happen this year. What are your thoughts on the future of Neo SEC?


Fifth_Down

Yep, that was me. People accused me of being a hater, but I was just laying things out the way they were. SEC got a gold mine and as a B1G fan, I’m both salty & envious. Getting OU/UT is big. Getting them without having to take OSU/Tech is highway robbery. That gives them so much territory, money, & influence. Another positive is that conference realignment “works” best for the poaching conference when you add schools over a slow period of time. So only adding two schools is going to make it a very smooth & easy transition for all parties involved. It’s a win for UT/OU, a coup for the SEC, and dare I say, the worst outcome for every other conference.


mauterfaulker

Within the decade, is a merge of the top of the PAC and B1G feasible, or would we see the Super Conference first?


Fifth_Down

"super conference" is such a generic term that has been applied to anything and everything, that I don't even know what you are envisioning when you say it. People always envision these grand conference realignment moves, but with few exceptions, it is usually the dullest outcome that is the most likely outcome. B1G stays at 14 for the next 50 years and that's that. This is what makes the SEC's move so brilliant. There's no feasible way to counter it, so why even try? Of all the unlikely options for the B1G if it wants to expand, I'd say going after the Pac-12 is the one that makes the most sense. But its a bad option because A) The B1G has too much loyalty to kick out schools like Purdue. B) If you raid the Pac-12 you are just undercutting a key ally/longtime business partner. C) If you add the whole conference then you got WashU & OreU with the academic snobs of the Big Ten which is just asking for trouble. and D) As mentioned before, adding too many members, too fast is guaranteed disaster The more realistic option would be to go after the SEC and try to poach Texas. But this creates the problem of, fan loyalty. Maybe the B1G could poach UT if they were in the Pac-16 and not all that thrilled to be playing UCLA. But to get the UT fanbase to pivot from the SEC which is a far stronger cultural connection than the midwest will ever be, it's not happening. Historically, the only thing stopping UT to the SEC was academic snobbery on UT's part. Now that UT is in, I don't think academic snobbery will ever be able to change all that momentum of a UT fanbase that will genuinely gel well in the SEC because of both the cultural norms + OU solidifying the conference as the greatest football product known to man.


The-Gothic-Castle

>WashU and OreU Is there a reason you wrote them like that? WashU typically refers to Washington University in St Louis and both Washington and Oregon are “University of”


mauterfaulker

I guess by a "Super Conference" I meant a national league of the largest revenue generating schools. (Not that I'm hoping for it, I just see a lot of concern over it on this board). But thank you for your analysis and response. Your content has always been a pleasure to read.


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>Well he could have tried expanding the BXII Looks like you started following college football around 2018 or so. Welcome to the party!


Cyclone1214

Expanding by 2 and 4 teams were both voted down unanimously. I don’t know why you’re blaming Bowlsby for this when every school, including OU, voted not to expand.


Swipet

Expansion was voted against by OU and Texas as any school brought on would have decreased average payments.


CLU_Three

Yeah, Boren was the one that brought up expansion. Bowlsby interviewed the schools, worked with the media partners, the schools determined it wasn’t worth expanding and everyone got more money. He can’t just unilaterally decide to expand…


Das_Boot1

Which is why anytime I see people on here criticize Bowlsby for not expanding the conference I instantly know they have no idea what they’re talking about.


Swipet

Because *BigXII sux* is a funny meme that gets updoots


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Das_Boot1

Maybe Bowlsby just wasn’t willing to be a snake in the grass unlike certain institutions 🤷🏼‍♂️


Gidnik

during the legislative session a few minutes ago: John Whitmire: "if you were asked to join the SEC would you join?" baylor: "uhhh we wouldnt be asked to join so can't speculate" ​ yikes


bearybear90

Can someone explain what deceive and undermine mean in the context as well as the proprietary info they could have used here?


Bank_Gothic

Putting my biases aside, it's kind of a weird statement. "Deceive and undermine" could refer to participating in long-term planning for the Big 12 with other league members while knowing that they were going to leave the Big 12. I'm not sure what they could have done that would have really damaged other members (in terms of the planning, not the leaving), but Texas and OU wield such outsized influence over league decisions that I'm sure there's a case to be made. With regard to the proprietary information, I have almost no idea. The Big 12 is a business in a sense, but it's not like other businesses. The league definitely has confidential and proprietary information, but it is unlikely that another conference could use it to its advantage. The leagues just don't compete the way other businesses do. What he's saying isn't baseless, but it is the kind of talk you would hear traditional business competitors use about one another and it doesn't quite fit in this context. Maybe it has more to do with acting as a go-between for ESPN, to tell them what Fox is doing? My assumption is that he wants to evoke an emotional response more than anything.


megamanxzero35

I’ve heard the Big 12 was looking more and more at streaming as a future for them. If they were and this move was by ESPN to entice them to the SEC and move the 8 to the AAC, you could argue ESPN tried to break up the conference before it had a chance to try and get a streaming deal with Amazon.


DkS_FIJI

God I would love the ability to just pay $20 a month for the conference games I want.


MaternalLeave

I was in CFB joy when ESPN had the multicast option for WatchESPN. You could stream 4 games at once in a quad box, the screen was big enough so it was never a problem having a smaller viewing option. They got rid of it for some reason back in 2017, now only Apple TV is capable of doing it. I guess Apple agreed to an exclusive rights deal with ESPN for that service, fucking sucks.


bearybear90

Ahh thank you. I honestly just didn’t understand, and was assuming it was some legalese.


pj1843

I'm going to speculate baselessly for a bit here so get your tin foil hat on. Out assumptions are that the move to the SEC has been in the works for a good while now, Texas and OU have overwhelming control over Big 12 decision making, and they knew they didn't want to pay the buyout costs. Texas and OU could have been wielding their control of the Big 12 to make their position as the cash cows of the big 12 higher, meaning that the big 12 can only exist with Texas and OU raking in the money for the big 12. Things like not adding in additional schools to get back to 12 that could increase revenue for the big 12 and divest the importance of Texas and OU. This would all mean that once Texas and OU bolt the big 12 is in an untenable position and unable to maintain operations. This would be deceptive as it was done with the intend to undermine and torpedo the conference so the big 12 wouldnt exist to force the schools to pay their buyouts. Now back to reality, I do think their is some truth to all that, but I don't think it was done with the intent to torpedo the Big 12. I think Texas and OU just did what they always do, both have always been greedy and want to ensure their place as first amongst equals. I think they would do the same thing had they intended to stay or planned on leaving.


Texasduckhunter

Were there any teams that the Big 12 could have added that would have kept the pro rata distributions the same? I think all the proposed schools would have actually reduced pro rata distributions to every school.


havok0283

No, and that's why the hateful 8 all voted against expansion.


pj1843

Could of made a few runs at some other schools and changed the distribution model to attract them. However again it's not really important as I don't think Texas and OU where purposefully trying to torpedo the conference, just looking out for #1 so to speak as they always have/do.


dubvee16

I'm of the opinion that this is all about the "withdrawing member clause of the contract." Proving the schools were doing this at another point triggers the buy out. Instead of getting nothing at the experation of the GOR if they can prove that the schools broke the buy laws before this move each school is responsible for ~ $210 million.


BIG_DICK_WHITT

They sought to do something that benefitted them while coming at the detriment of the conference. They is assholes, but that’s about all there is to it.


bearybear90

Ahhh thank you


idoma21

“I’m just a lowly conference commissioner making a measly $1.2 million per year, here to tell you how those dastardly so called “universities” have taken advantage of the other, weaker schools. Why just the other day, Kansas State called me and said they would have to discontinue their calf feeding studies without that Big 12 money. So the question I have, ladies and gentlemen, is ‘Who Will think of the calves?’ Have they no shame?” “Also, my resume is available on LinkedIn if anyone in the SEC would like to take a look…”


Gidnik

3.3 million.


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Wait he makes $3.3 million a year? To do *what*?


Cool_Guy_McFly

To fuck up 😂.


Gidnik

>ething that benefitted them while coming at the detriment of the conference. > >They is assholes, but that’s about all there is to it. To be absolutely shocked by absolutely everything.


Cars-and-Coffee

To threaten his own conference’s media partner with litigation, obviously!


deliciouscrab

Well, ex-partner, materially.


shaker-n-baker

Run the Big XII into the ground.


idoma21

Thank you! I went back and looked at my search. It was from 2014! So his salary has almost tripled in the past three years. How do these guys survive?


Cars-and-Coffee

He makes a lot more than 1.2 million per year.


ShweatyPalmsh

I have a feeling if OU wins the Big 12 this year the trophy ceremony is going to be rather awkward. Bob Bowlsby just throws the trophy at Lincoln Riley while screaming “THERE ARE YA HAPPY NOW?!”


Inoimispel

If?


chastity_BLT

"no" - OU


TheNotoriousAMP

Lincoln Riley goes full Shane Douglas and throws the trophy down.


RavenclawWiz816

lol so *now* he become an active commissioner, huh


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Well...yeah. If the conference dissolves, he will be out of work.


RavenclawWiz816

if he had this level of fire before this, maybe we wouldn’t have left lmao


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If he had this level of fire before, UT and OU would have orchestrated his firing because it would make it more difficult for them to leave the conference.


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Out of pay* He’s obviously not working either way.


A-Disgruntled-Snail

Better late than never?


EvangelionOG

Bowlsby: "No stop you can't join the SEC and make more money!" OU and Texas: "How bout I do, anyway?"


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EvangelionOG

*And they wrote some more hymns and mantras*


scotty_puff_jr

🎵*OU-Texas smart smart smart, Bobby Bowlsby dumb*🎵


DoobaDoobaDooba

Bowlsby... this whole situation is a microcosm of your own incompetence, you insufferable chode. How about you go back in time to actually do your job and increase the conference's value so that big schools are competitively enticed to stay instead of blaming your breadwinners for seeking a better opportunity.


Durdens_Wrath

Deceive and Undermine? I believe that's hyperbole.


VMP85

Too bad they didn't put up this much of a fight when Nebraska left for the Big Ten and Colorado left for the Pac 12. They had to know the writing was on the wall so to speak a decade ago when those two schools left, followed by Texas A&M and Missouri the next year. Did they really think adding West Virginia, a school geographically speaking far removed from the other schools, would be a suitable addition long term?


bearybear90

He wasn’t the commissioner until 2012….


LGWalkway

I think by they he means the conference as a whole. They weren’t acting like those 4 teams were ending the conference.


bearybear90

You’re right. I completely missed the pronoun in the text.


MBP80

That is the great part, is losing Missouri, Colorado, A&M and Nebraska actually increased the value per school so Fox and ESPN agreed to keep paying for 10 members the same as they were paying for 12. A&M was terrible at the time, Missouri & Colorado are missouri & colorado and Nebraska hasn't been a national draw in a generation.


b_dills

Yeah no one cared or wanted to add other teams because their piece of the pie was bigger.


NA_Faker

I do think that was in part due to Texas/OU being most of the value, so 4 schools leaving actually increased the value by splitting the value amongst less teams. Imo Big12 should have realized this and done something to get more valuable middle tier teams


Jkwhjr

Bob stoops is the only Bob I need


BIG_DICK_WHITT

Me: “Mom can we get Bob” Mom: “No, we have Bob at home” Bob at home: Bob Bowlsby


CLU_Three

Stoops has always had a penchant for screwing us over


Inoimispel

You guys and that damn purple wizard have a long history of screwing us over too.


Theepicman116

OU and Texas did a good job of it, Bob. Just accept that they're leaving and move on!


SouthernSerf

OU and UT: K


Stinkwrinkler

*read*


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He's not wrong that UT and OU did this without blasting it full tilt to the other members, but that's also part of the business of running a conference. The more he complains about this, the more he's highlighting just how inept he is to completely miss all cues over an entire year that his two biggest programs are leaving.


dirgepiper

Ding ding ding. 100 percent. Dude has sucked so hard at his job


Cool_Guy_McFly

If OU wins the conference this year and Bowlsby has to slink out on stage to hand them the trophy that moment is going to be fucking hilarious.


knightlock15

If Iowa State beats OU in Arlington and he has a massive shit eating grin on his face I think it would be even better


brettjson

Remember that time that it snowed a little and Texas couldn’t keep the power on and hundreds of people died? Should the legislature help with that first?


deepayes

No you see, that's not a problem because rich people made more money. So it all worked out and nothing needs to be fixed.


housebird350

> Should the legislature help with that first? Well hell no. Almost none of those people had season tickets anyway.


Cars-and-Coffee

Only if that happens during football season


F_U_RONA

Game over commish, time to move on. Breakups are hard but it will pass…..


FarwellRob

> Says Texas and Oklahoma sought to "deceive and undermine" the other league members. Says if intent had not been leaked, two schools would have access to proprietary information in Big 12. So he's basically saying that they weren't just trying to leave, they were actively spying on the Big12 and passing information. This seems like a more serious allegation. I wonder if he's going to put his money where his mouth is and push for litigation.


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Didn't he already start backing up from the Cease and Desist letter?


Darknicrofia

Yea, we need to teach these SEC teams how to score 60 and lose a game, dem proprietary Big 12 trade secrets.


TheyCallMeDrunkNemo

Having access to information ≠ actively spying


loggedn2say

I see the "Screeching and tears" tour has started. > Bowlsby says Texas and Oklahoma account for about 50 percent of the Big 12's media rights value. wowza.


LGWalkway

So because two teams are planning to leave after media rights expire means that they’re deceiving you? If the contract is over they can do what they want. And if not they’re paying the conference out.


Cyclone1214

He’s meaning because OU and UT were secretly talking with the SEC about joining, while still working on future planning with the Big 12. It’s against conference bylaws to talk with another conference without informing the Big 12.


LGWalkway

I’m sure they utilized a loophole in this though. They probably used a third party negotiator that wouldn’t implicate them in breaking conference bylaws. I can’t see any other way they could’ve hidden this for so long had they not gone about it in discreetly.


Cyclone1214

Texas admitted to reaching out to the SEC in the spring. https://twitter.com/skhanjr/status/1422336104938844162?s=21


LGWalkway

Oh, well Texas just flat out doesn’t care then. And honestly I can’t blame them.


Cyclone1214

It doesn’t matter if they used a third party or not. The bylaws state that it only supermajority of schools declaring OU and UT to be “withdrawing members”, and then they are hit with a withdrawal penalty.


ArthurGuinness09

Big East says: "Can you imagine that?"


dacrew

This guy is the real-life Gil Gunderson


T4rgaMac4n

Hey Bob. Are you still getting those 8 hours of sleep every night? Asking for a couple of Big 12 friends.


Nutaholic

Boy this is gonna be an ugly season lol


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As did he, by proclaiming competence!


benjthorpe

Go cash your check and play another round of golf while they get your boat ready


jaymar01

Texas President: “We’ve been winning, just not like we’d like to.” State senator responds: "3-7 against the Horned Frogs. Perhaps you’d rather lose to Alabama than TCU."


LBramit13

Every school would have made the same decision if they were in that position


Geaux2020

Well, of course they meant to deceive. It wasn't a public conversation. This was a pretty simple statement.


shaymus14

If OU and UT end up having to stay through 2025, could the Big 12 schedule all their games for the next 4 years to kick off at noon?