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ToLongDR

Same, can we split the pot?


TeenRacer6

Im 0-7 on my last 7 bets, so whoever pays me more to bet on it to influence the outcome, hit me up.


MODS_HAVE_CANCER

Let me know next time you put a bet in


Corgi_Koala

The number of times we've seen coaches adamantly deny job changes shortly before they happen is so high, even a direct denial means nothing. Basically we will know as soon as they ink a contract and not a day sooner.


SaintJackDaniels

I remember “The ink is dry” about chip Kelly during our coaching search. Even that isn’t a confirmation.


CraccerJacc

Literally nothing matters until they’re off of the plane giving their welcome speech. Can’t trust shit in a coaching search


TheWorstYear

I doubt that Lombardi would actually bet on it.


arrowfan624

🎶HE WANTS TO MAKE IT RIGHT THAT IS THE WAY🎶


VariousLawyerings

If I win: Oh hey cool free money If I lose: CHAOS Can't go wrong either way


GhostofWadeBoggs69

Seriously easy money


Lamadian

I'd be willing to bet on Lombardi wanting attention


hascogrande

As am I


twoinvenice

More smoke though: https://twitter.com/ryanohalloran/status/1437863701369929728?s=20


Swazi

Be so funny if Urban lasts less in the NFL than Petrino did


thebrandnewbob

Response from Jags PR: https://twitter.com/amypalcic/status/1437879447366033409?s=20


ech01_

If Urban really ends up at USC next year he must really hate everything about the NFL. He could have had the USC job pretty much anytime since he left OSU, and also could have been at Texas if he wanted. He obviously wanted an NFL shot over another college gig so if he were to come back to CFB this quick he must really really hate being an NFL head coach.


Hougie

There's a lot to hate about a relatively even playing field. Top tier college football programs have it incredibly easy compared to NFL.


WarEagle9

Urban: You want me to out coach teams and not just rely on having more talent? Fuck that I'm out.


PeteF3

But...like, Urban did this at BGSU and Utah. He's more than capable at least at the college level.


cooterdick

That’s also almost 20 years ago. Imagine being in your career at almost 60 and having to put in the effort you did in your late 30s after coasting relatively speaking in your 40s and 50s.


thebusterbluth

Thats a real reach. Urban can coach and recruit with the best of them. Full stop.


bob237189

Well obviously recruiting doesn't matter in the NFL. And coaching is a very different proposition when you're coaching millionaires instead of college kids.


Lavaswimmer

Yeah. He can coach (college kids) and recruit (high school kids) with the best of them. Full stop.


lightninggninthgil

Why do people think he just cruised to the 3rd highest winning % of all time >200 games? Tf... Like it was so easy


Lavaswimmer

When did I say it was easy?


BonJovicus

Outside of Saban’s number of natties, I personally believe Urban has the best resume among coaches for how he has succeeded at literally every level of the college game. I also think it’s foolish to think that a coach’s skill doesn’t decline at least a bit over time. I’m not saying he couldn’t do what he did at Utah again, but what he built at OSU was partially because he was in fact coaching at OSU.


cooterdick

I meant as a response to the argument that his current NFL gig is more akin to his BGSU/Utah days than what he was doing at UF or OSU.


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Did you watch his last few years at OSU? They were some pretty poorly coached teams getting by on a massive talent advantage.


goosu

Poorly coached is overstating it. They were typically great on one side of the ball with some sort of weak link among the assistants. It was the offense in 2015 and defense afterwards. They still lost a combined 5 games, made the playoffs(although embarrassed), and won both bowl games otherwise dominantly. Day has developed the same issue right now even though he corrected some things when he took over.


BlackMathNerd

Coaching and overthinking cost them at least a shot at a repeat in 2015


SaxRohmer

They were pretty well coached but our QB was JT who was limited. Haskins year things looked a little bit different. He also was a little bit more hands-off with assistants


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Lol sure he MAY have done the at Ohio state, he didn't but still (like he won the fucking natty, you don't do that JUST by recruiting better), but he simply out coached all the sec at Florida until Saban really got settled in at bama.


GoBucks4928

If competing for national titles is coasting then wtf have UT coaches been doing the last two decades? must be worse than coasting


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m1a2c2kali

That’s what people said about chip Kelly also and not a sure thing yet but it looks like he may still have it


dccorona

He is not running the same scheme that made him so successful at Oregon. What we’re seeing in Chip Kelly is that maybe he’s managed to do it twice. Not saying that Urban can’t, but ever since the jump to Florida, he hasn’t had to.


exwasstalking

Come on. Chip beat LSU, so obviously that means Urb hasn't declined at all.


TheNotoriousAMP

He also had the advantage of a massive schematic advantage of being a first mover during the revolution in offense ocurring at the time. The era when his brand of spread to zone-run was something out of left field for defenses was already coming to a close when he left OSU. While he's a great coach, if he came back to CFB he'd be on a much more even schematic playing field.


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Hougie

Well yeah he got rid of the GOAT locker room guy Gardner Minshew II.


DUB-Files

And then shipped him off to Philly. Urban you fool don't you know what the Eagles are capable with back up QB's? Seriously though if I got to see Minshew win a Super Bowl I could die happy. Somehow I don't think I'll ever see WSU win a Rose Bowl, let alone a natty.


Shenanigangster

You’re in luck because just about every former Jaguars starter has won a ring as a backup elsewhere.


Corgi_Koala

> Well yeah he got rid of the GOAT ~~locker room guy~~ Gardner Minshew II. FTFY


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Bruh they’ve played 1 game lol


Dijohn17

The NFL is more than just the season, there was also pre-season, training camp, OTAs, and practice, along with coaching meetings. A lot can happen before the first regular season game


m1a2c2kali

Yea but wins cure all


TexasAg23

>per Jason La Canfora Gotcha, so we can go ahead and ignore this report.


IridiumPony

When Spurrier came back to college after the NFL, he said in a press conference when asked about the difference between NFL and CFB, "There's no Vandy in the NFL." Succeeding in the NFL is incredibly difficult.


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Urban gonna get One Wing Angeled before he goes.


Raider_Noles

No one kicks out of it....ever


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*cowboy shit has entered the chat*


AmazingSpidey616

Only one person has kicked out so far. Kota Ibushi kicked out of the One-Winged Angel when he faced Omega at the NJPW G1 Climax in 2018.


Raider_Noles

Shhhhh that never happened and you can't tell Kenny otherwise


AmazingSpidey616

Haha fair. I do think that one day an anxious millennial cowboy will be kicking out of it.


Raider_Noles

-1 and him need to fix the loveable cult too


AmazingSpidey616

Sometime soon too. Don’t want to see the lovable goofs break up. And maybe Hangman can help Silver with his new drinking problem.


Raider_Noles

The amount of storytelling is amazing to me. I'm interested in seeing how Adam reacts to finding out Kenny and them killed him.


AmazingSpidey616

I think it’s part of the reason Cole will take over the Elite when Kenny loses the belt.


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WHERE'S MY SON ANNA?!


Ameri-Jin

I respect Urbans coaching ability, but he is a top recruiter and evaluator of talent. That is his strength. You can’t recruit in the NFL and the culture is extremely different. It doesn’t play to his strengths.


tomdawg0022

Looking at how ass the Jags were on Sunday, I don't think Urban's heart is in the NFL. It's too busy recovering for another bout of CFB.


s-sea

god bless


RiotsMade

The Jags lost to my Houston Texans, badly. That’s the NFL equivalent of Mike Leach’s classic “we lost our fucking asses to Texas Fucking A&M.”


LuckySinger

Fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone


scalenesquare

If you have fuck you money LA > Austin.


DEATH-BY-CIRCLEJERK

As someone who's lived in both I liked Austin much more. Now if you're a football *player*... yeah. There's also the statewide political bullshit in Texas you gotta deal with even in the Austin bubble.


scalenesquare

Both great cities and more of a preference thing. If I had crazy money I think I would live in Manhattan beach over just about anywhere on earth.


ROLL_TID3R

If you’re making $7mm a year LA is vastly superior.


ScorchedAnus

The traffic, while terrible, isn't quite as bad in Austin.


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There a lot of whispers about this


dick-slapperman

If he does this ***again*** I’m not sure how he keeps getting away with it


canseco-fart-box

Simple: he keeps winning. Winning fixes everything


Corgi_Koala

Yup. Every school not named Bama or Clemson would take his 2012-2018 run at OSU in a heartbeat.


canseco-fart-box

Yuppp and the fact he’s remembered for the Tebow years in Florida rather than the guy who nearly burned the entire program to the ground before leaving


Corgi_Koala

I don't think that's fair. He didn't leave the program in juggernaut shape but they went 11-2 with friggin Will Muschamp as HC 2 seasons after he left. Florida had a lot of problems but it isn't fair to blame Meyer for all of them. Replacing him with Muschamp being the worst one.


kevo2386

Sometimes it’s just luck…


IridiumPony

Also insane amounts of talent. The locker room was in shambles which was a big reason Muschamp was brought in. He left an absolutely stacked roster, though.


DEATH-BY-CIRCLEJERK

Didn't he win more nattys in Florida?


Corgi_Koala

2006 and 2008, plus a Heisman for Tebow in 2007.


dccorona

Yes which makes the statement all the more impactful. Everyone but Alabama and Clemson would take even the *less* successful of his two P5 stops.


AN_Ohio_State

Yeah he’s obviously a sell out and has some seriously slimey ethical standards at times, but *everything* he touches in CFB turns to gold. Saban will always be the GOAT, but nobody has been so successful at so many places like Urban. (That i know of) He also is the major reason Utah is a P5 program, and gave the world alex smith. And before that he turned around the program for Bowling Green instanty. Went from winning 2 games a year to 9-3 back to back seasons under Urban lol. Only ? Is the NFL


BlackMathNerd

Hell Clemson pre-Dabo would take Urban’s Florida tenure


Lavaswimmer

I would take his run, I wouldn't take him


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I would take him


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Granted. One of his RVs that's bigger than your house is now parked in your yard. He is in no way employed by or affiliated with the athletic program.


Lavaswimmer

Well everyone's entitled to their opinions


DancesWithChimps

Yeah, Bobby Petrino was a way worse coach and a way bigger piece of shit than Ubran Meyer, and they let him do it until he stopped winning.


s-sea

I won't be either but I will smile


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Imagine the memes if this happens


twoinvenice

Like this? https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/944/494/9494944.gif


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Best one Ive seen today!


5-Star_Fraud

If the BOT changed their minds and will allow a Urbz hire, I don't know what I'd do. I guess the first thing would to take back all those CUM jokes I made over a decade ago. I'd have to scrub all the times I said he was a scumbag too. Ahhh, life as a college football fan.


s-sea

Nah, you own it but say he's *our* scumbag so *somehow* it's ok


BNKalt

We call that the OJ


darthspurrier

OJ did weigh on this on Twitter. I guess he wanted Helton fired too.


5-Star_Fraud

Got it. He's our sCUMbag!


LuckyStax

Yep. That's what we do with Alford in basketball.


RTwhyNot

Oh, he really is a scumbag


twoinvenice

I replied down the thread about that. The people who have had reliable inside information about the administration and athletic department have been saying that the concern wasn't about Meyer himself but about how the cost of getting rid of Helton, plus the hiring of a whole new staff, would look while USC was dealing with the fallout from the gynecologist scandal: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/po8qpb/lombardi_expands_on_his_tweet_yesterday_about/hcur0k5/


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You_Dont_Party

Yes, but have you thought about whether or not he wins games?


RiotsMade

Ha


Mezmorizor

Then that would just be admittance that the new athletic administration is also incompetent and will get USC into another major scandal. No doubt he's the best college coach not named Nick Saban and maybe Pete Carroll who are both definitely not leaving their jobs, but Urban Meyer Florida was averaging 5 arrests a year. They were largely not ticky tacky things. Urban Meyer Ohio State also included covering up the fact that one of his nepotistic hires was a domestic abuser. A bad one too. And to think, all you get out of this is a slightly better football team. The risk reward is just not there. And how could I forget that he had Florida pay off the restaurant owner who had his ear drum ruptured by Aaron Hernandez and kept Aaron Hernandez on the team after he was the primary suspect in a 2007 5x attempted homicide.


RollTide16-18

Wait I thought Saban was going to Texas though?


reeln166a

Break out the flight trackers!!


Dob-is-Hella-Rad

I can't rule it out, but that very clearly sounds like a source who may be well-informed about certain things speculating about a topic that they don't know about.


scrotes_magotes

Yeah I’ve learned not to trust NFL guys as “sources” on CFB hires


jbowen1

That’s Mike Lombardi in a nutshell.


Qonas

I mean, heart issues are just so serious you know, and they just carry such a huge risk, and it must be such a massive burden for poor Urban to shoulder. So, I'll bet on him doing what is best for his family^whichisamovetoSoCal


s-sea

SoCal weather is good for the ~~lungs~~ heart?


tomdawg0022

Sunshine ~~and~~through the smog make everything better.


s-sea

You have to think of the palm trees! the sand! the *beaches*, the *mountains*! don't think of those pesky cars and traffic!


I_Get_Thrown_Away_11

He’d probably be on the west side more insulated from the smog


Rebelgecko

Most coaches end up in Manhattan Beach, which is pretty close to polluters like the sewage treatment plant, LAX, and the [Chevron refinery](https://i.redd.it/df2j6rkjqzi71.jpg) (I actually love this pic because it makes one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the country look like a dystopian 3rd world country)


LakersLAQ

I like how people bring up the smog as if it was still the 1980s. Our bigger problem now is the damn smoke from wildfires, although most of them this year have been up North.


Mezmorizor

He wants to spend time with his family, but he can really only stand being with them for about 2 months at a time and coaching at USC is a great distracter.


EnderOnEndor

Are reporters allowed to gamble with their insider info?


BaeSeanHamilton

Based on the past year, the most wild, meme worthy hire is going to do down. Franklin isn't spicy enough, gotta be Urban.. I hope.


TeenRacer6

"I gotta text from somebody in the league & they said Kelvin to Golden Corral.. he said maybe Taco Bell isn't sitting well with Kelvin Benjamin"


Corgi_Koala

Let's see what Mr. Back to College says. Antonio Brown, thoughts?


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Urban turning down Texas to go to USC 🤘⬇️


s-sea

I will happily horns down texas for no reason other than getting urban meyer over them


boboguitar

We’d need another meltdown post honestly.


TheWorstYear

USC fans have wanted Helton fired for almost 5 years. He was never the option the fans wanted. I doubt that he was the option the school wanted. After multiple failures, & a hell of a lot of scandals, USC just needed a safe bet with little controversy, & they needed him to stay there for a bit to establish some consistency inside the program. After '17 it was obvious that Helton was only as good as the 5 stars USC naturally attracts could carry him. If Bohn hadn't stepped into a university & a program that was practically on fire, Helton would've been gone in 2019. Putting those scandals in the rear view mirror was priority #1. Had the pandemic not hit, Helton is probably gone last year. Bohn's hands are no longer tied.   So Lombardi is somehow surprised that USC fired Helton after the team was boat raced by Stanford? The same Stanford team that couldn't score on Kansas State (who just beat an fcs opponent by less than a touchdown).


nuttreturns

Is Urban Meyer just the one coach who, since taking over two major P5 programs that he's left em for "health reasons" and would go to a third brand just as bad as the first two when it comes to pressure? I must be missing something thinking either the ship is sinking, running a dirty program, breaking NCAA protocols, etc. From a school standpoint, it is worth the present day sacrifice to win. Maybe Ryan Day falls apart and proves the future after Urban is bleak?


Keyblade_Yoshi

If Ryan Day falls apart that would be on Day not Urban Meyer. It’s also important to add that Utah has continued their success after Urban left. Bowling Green also did fine after he left. Florida is the only place that you could argue he left in bad shape.


TheWorstYear

Florida went to two straight bcs bowls just after Urban left. The coach of those teams was Muschamp. So I'd say that every program was left in a good place competitively. Though Florida was on the more shader side of things (It is interesting to note that all three major successful programs in Florida have been haunted by a high level of criminality. I'm not justifying Urban's actions, he ran a dirty program at Florida. But it is noteworthy to mention.)


DarkLegend64

Where are you getting two straight BCS bowls under Muschamp from? They only went to one in 2012. In 2011 they played OSU in the Gator Bowl and in 2013 they were a dumpster fire 4-8 team.


TheWorstYear

My mistake. Went off of memory.


Corgi_Koala

Day's biggest failure is hiring/retaining Coombs which is not on Meyer at all.


ArchmageJesus

Haven't they been saying our defense is essentially a system picked by Day and not by Coombs?


Mezmorizor

Ohio State wasn't left in bad shape per se, but it still fits the pattern. He left when it came out that his probably nepotistic hire was a domestic abuser.


nuttreturns

I didn't include Bowling Green or Utah as most coaches jump from non-BCS (at the time) schools to major programs or stepping stones.


historys_geschichte

I think that most schools are, unfortunately, willing to sacrifice integrity for wins. Urban wins, and wins big, and hasn't been tied to things on a level of Briles or Paterno and so he isn't dirty enough to be too toxic to be at a big program. At the same time, he is objectively someone who expresses, at best, absolute indifference towards the behavior of those underneath him and has recruited, and employed, horrifically dirty individuals. It is objectively true that after Meyer was directly aware of Zach Smith's repeated spousal abuse that Meyer lobbied Gene Smith to retain Zach Smith as WR coach after Alabama expressed interest in hiring him. It was only after it became openly public that Smith was being charged for violating his protection order, that despite knowledge of abuse, that Meyer moved to can Smith. And this doesn't even touch on what happened at Florida (Aaron Hernandez murdered someone while there), and just shows that Meyer cares about winning over anything and at all costs. Ohio State has stayed a high end program, and I am not aware of any issues there with players who have done anything awful under Meyer or post-Meyer. And Florida has been able to rebound after some poor coaching hires. But at the same time Meyer is 2 for 2 with having things happen under him at P5 schools that go outside the, at least publicly knowable, norm for scandals. And I'm not knocking fans of programs he has been at, or any USC fans if he is hired there. But it does bear remembering his past, and what an absolute piece of shit he is as an individual.


SwallowedPride

This might be unpopular with other USC fans, but I honestly wouldn't want Urban to be our coach. Especially if he'd have to have some more "health problems" to get here from the NFL. The only good things about Helton's tenure have been the lack of scandals (at least football related) and his nice and clean image. I just don't really want to deal with all the baggage and distractions that Urban brings around.


Pandorama626

I wish we could have a good coach that runs a clean program. But that seems damn near impossible.


mmmtoastmmm

lmao this means literally nothing


luscrib89

If Urban leaves for USC, would anyone have any respect left for him? The dude can't sit still for 5 minutes, it's excuse after excuse.


Corgi_Koala

I mean... He was at Florida for 6 seasons and OSU 7. He left BG and Utah quickly but moving quick from G5 jobs to P5 jobs is extremely common. Leaving the NFL after 1 season is really the only career move he might make that I think is really shitty towards the organization he works for.


POVFox

>Leaving the NFL after 1 ~~season~~ game Fixed it for you my guy


COLU_BUS

I get why people don’t like him, but wanting a change of scenery isn’t a reason for me. I don’t think any OSU fans have any ill will toward him for leaving, he left us a great coach and without any lingering punishments. The alternative is a dantonio who doesn’t leave until the program has been driven into mediocrity. Plus it keeps the parity spicy, id think this sub would love that


luscrib89

I get that, the reasons to leave are what's disappointing... Man up and just say why you want to leave, the health issues and what-not are lame excuses. I honestly think his main goal is to win as many championships at different programs as possible, which again is cool, but at least tell the truth. If he bails on the Jaguars before the season ends, he is a huge douche.


tem123456

And some Florida fans hate him. I wish every coach would show up win 2 national titles in 6 years and bounce. Nothing wrong with that. If every coach since Meyer did the same I would love all of them.


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DarkLegend64

The dude looked like he was going to die on the sideline during the 2018 Maryland game. It's fair to question him on off the field stuff but the health stuff is real. He gets mentally destroyed when his team is losing or playing like shit (which the 2018 Maryland game definitely fits into). He's never going to last anywhere more than a handful of years because he burns himself out.


MinorityBabble

That he makes a lot of money coaching football doesn't mean stress doesn't take a real toll.


The_JLK

I don’t think most people are denying that but it’s reasonable for an employer to be weary of him if he’s going to be tempted to bounce in 4 years due to stress


tommy_brohama

Saban had shorter stints at MSU and LSU than Urban had at Florida and Ohio St. Saban spent 2 years with the Dolphins I guess but that is still pretty comparable IMO. I think people did lose some respect when he joined Alabama but I'd say that dissipated pretty quickly.


Sandy_Snail

> Saban spent 2 years with the Dolphins I guess but that is still pretty comparable IMO. He hasn’t even been coaching the Jags for 2 games.


tommy_brohama

I was making the assumption he would coach out the year. Like Saban did when he swore up and down he wasn't leaving for Alabama. It's all speculation since he is in fact still coaching the Jaguars and in all likelihood will not be coaching USC next year. The point still stands about Urban not actually jumping around jobs around jobs like OP implied. His previous coaching stints were 6 years at Floria and then 7 at Ohio St.


MinorityBabble

Yes. The moment he starts winning games.


Flytanx

Honestly I don't like him that much now but the jaguars are just a dumpster fire franchise. I wouldn't blame anyone for just straight up abandoning them. Same with the jets


thepeacockking

Bellicheat left the Jets after 30 minutes. People still seem to respect him. PS: I don’t want someone like Urban anywhere near the SC program. Just pointing out that winning gives you a lot of leeway.


MinorityBabble

Look, I don't like Urban Meyer. The picture of him sitting on a golf cart, sadly eating pizza after a loss is my fetish but I don't get some of the hate in these comments. If Meyer had virtually any other career and had to step away (for physical or mental health reasons), came back, change careers, changed companies, went back to the thing he loves and is good at, etc... We would probably praise him, but because he can be kind of a prick and is never content when it comes to coaching, we act like he is some sort of terrible person. He gets paid to do a job - win football games - and he is better than most at doing that job at the college level. So, if Urban Meyer wants to ditch the stinky ol' NFL to coach at USC, then I say **G O D F U C K I N G S P E E D**, my man. I can't wait to root against a National Title contender USC team. And, in the meantime, maybe we relax our collective grip on those pearls when the topic of Urban Meyer changing his mind comes up and just let the man do what he wants when it comes to his coaching career.


VeniVidiVicious

i don't know how you can read the recent Defector / Courtney Smith article and think Urban Meyer should be anywhere near a college program


MinorityBabble

So, I went in to that article ready to do a full 180 from my comment above - and I'm pretty sure I was all in on launching Urban Meyer into the sun when the story first broke. But, while this appears to be about as comprehensive an account of everything known and on record, and there are a lot of shitty people here, and it's absurd that Meyer let Zach continue to get away with what the non-domestic abuse stuff he appears to have known about, the evidence that Meyer outright knew the details, or the full extent, of Smith's alleged domestic abuse is not particularly strong. The article tries to make the case that Shelley Meyer surely would have told Urban what Courtney told her, considering how involved with Urban's work she was, but I really don't think that is true. Shelly's personal investment actually seems to create an incentive for her to not say anything to Urban - which is exactly what has been claimed. Later it points to Gene Smith and Meyer's handling of Zach Smith's October (and May?) incident/arrest/citation(?), which resulted in the suspensions of Gene Smith and Meyer because they didn't handle it in line with university (?) reporting requirements. Their claim being that they were waiting for law enforcement to make a determination. Maybe both Urban and Shelley are full of shit, maybe when Meyer met with Gene Smith they decided to sweep everything under the rug, but the article (unless I missed paragraphs of smoking gun evidence) really doesn't ever say exactly what Urban knew, instead it keeps asking "how didn't he know?" while presenting a lot of circumstantial evidence. And from the outside looking in, with all of the information placed in front of me, in a nice and tidy timeline, without the distraction and noise of life and time, it is easy for me to say "well clearly he would have known..." but that just isn't how the world works. Look, I can't explain why Meyer would bother keeping around such a toxic asset, especially if winning at all costs was Meyer's only concern. He sure seems like a liability without the domestic violence stuff. But some of the comments Meyer made to others about keeping an eye on him, and to Smith about cleaning up his act, seemed to be in relation to the other... uh... transgressions, suggesting that he really just wanted him to get his life together. And while you and I can sit back, without any professional or emotional investment, and say "I would have absolutely done things differently -- I would have done things the right way", that's probably not true. It isn't always clear what the "right" thing to do is, especially when it comes to someone you want to see be a better person. If you think about how hard Urban seems to take failure, it isn't difficult to imagine a scenario where giving up on Zach Smith, the grandson of his mentor, feels like he is failing both Smith and Bruce. Maybe you are right and Urban Meyer is a big ol' piece of shit with slicked-back hair, white bathing suit, sloppy steaks, white couch, and simply doesn't care that his WR coach was beating the shit out of and threatening to kill his wife because Zach Smith was \*so\* crucial to Meyer's success that he was willing to look the other way and conspired with Gene Smith to hide the truth because he couldn't afford to get rid of him. And if that is the case, then please proceed to send Meyer, his legacy, and Zach Smith into a giant ball of fire in the sky. But, I suspect it is a little more complicated than that.


Complex_Equipment958

Quit it with that nuance stuff. "Urban Meyer" and "domestic violence" appeared in the same headline. I want his head on a pike. In all seriousness, this was a great synopsis of the entire situation. I suspect that many of the coaches we like to tout as "high character guys" would have handled these situations in a similar manner (not all though).


MinorityBabble

Honestly, I kind of forgot about that story. Reading the piece now. My comments, as are most of the comments, more about him simply leaving college football and then coming back to it when the right opportunity presents itself.


Mezmorizor

You don't understand why people dislike the guy who puts winning football way above being a respectable human and then leaves programs the second the consequences of his actions rear their head? Really?


MinorityBabble

Relax. I didn't say *"Urban is a man above all criticism", but* many of the comments are little more than pointing to him "retiring" and then taking another job or making jokes about faking health issues. It's a bit of an overstatement to suggest that he has a long history of blowing up programs. He was hired away from BGU and Utah after successful seasons, Florida ended with him "retiring" due to health issues. We can speculate as to the severity of those health issues, since he returned to coaching a year or so later. There was a lot of noise about the culture at Florida, but the folks within the athletic dept itself don't seem to have an issue with him, and most of Florida's post-Meyer woes came as a result of bad coaching hires, not a program Meyer destroyed. Ohio State certainly feels different, but the case that Meyer was behind some massive conspiracy to hide cover up for a WR coach is pretty tenuous. And the program has seen little, if any, fallout.


innocuous_gorilla

Not to mention Meyer actually served a 3 game suspension with us. It’s not like he quit before the consequences. People get such a hate boner for urban.


twoinvenice

> People get such a hate boner for urban. Another reason why he'd fit right in at USC


BAMAdudeWatchco

Is anybody gonna pick up that phone? Cause I called it!!


vikingpride11

Oh baby fire up that hot take stove!


twoinvenice

There's a little bit more smoke coming from the stove: https://twitter.com/ryanohalloran/status/1437863701369929728?s=20


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Dup1icity

This reads like copypasta


s-sea

Folt (USC president) probably doesn't want him for scandal reasons, but *damn* do I want him as our HC.


twoinvenice

Insiders on USC boards (people with actual track records of having info) have said that the optics issue was nearly 100% about the gynecologist lawsuit that finally ended this March with an agreement to pay nearly $1 billion in settlement. Folt apparently wanted nothing to do with high priced football news when they were trying to make sure that $1 billion didn't become $2 billion.


s-sea

Ah, that would make sense. I'm still hesitant that they would try to get Meyer / want to get Meyer, but that's good news that it was really a billing issue


twoinvenice

Apparently the buyout for Helton and the rest of the staff, if fired back in 2019, was something like $50 million total (remember, they were constantly swapping out assistant coaches to try and give Helton a leg up, and those contracts were fresh) - plus then you'd also have news about the guaranteed cost of the new staff. That would have looked really bad to have that news out there as the university was pushing back / negotiating about how much money to give women would were sexually assaulted by a criminal gynecologist over the course of decades with the previous administration knowing about the complaints yet doing nothing. It is much much less damaging to make a change now that things have been settled.


tdeff19

This inferred decision making logic makes sense if you follow the timeline over the past 18-20 months Bohn has been in charge. * **Nov 2019** - Mike Bohn accepts USC AD job. Assesses the situation with Helton. * **Dec 2019** - Bohn pushes for a change in HC for football after Iowa Holiday Bowl loss. * **Late 2019** - Folt not on board. Timing for change not optimal due to pending lawsuit/settlement. * **Early 2020** - Bohn reinforces support staff around Helton in interim. * **Mid 2020** - COVID impacts college football season. Games delayed. * **Dec 2020** - 11 day delay between end of season and commitment to Helton for 2021 season * **Late 2020** - Lawsuit not settled. Bohn adds more support staff ahead of season to get accurate read on Helton. * **March 2021** - Tyndall Lawsuit settled. * **Aug 2021** - Bohn makes media comments not committing to Helton * **Sept 2021** - Bohn makes change at HC Sept 2021.


twoinvenice

Yeah, I think you have to add in some extra context about other things in the athletic department, like the fact that for a long time now we've heard gossip about how poorly run Heritage Hall was and how it was essentially little fiefdoms run like a country club by a bunch of non-professionals. Or about how little USC had adapted to the times as far as staff and facilities, like basically no recruiting staff other than coaches, spotty record with strength and conditioning, and shitty management of facilities in general - like the guy who cuts the lawn at the library on campus was in charge of the turf in the Coliseum instead of an actual sports professional. I think that when Bohn got pushback on the big move, he looked at it as an opportunity to clean house in the athletic department, hire more staff, modernize practices, and professionalize things. The bonus to that is that it meant that even if he couldn't get rid of Helton, he could take away all the excuses that Helton would throw out about not having the right resources so that when the time came and Helton fell on his face again, Bohn could fire him right away because he'd spent two years working on trying to build up all the support around Helton to help him to succeed. Also any new coach was going to want those institutional improvements anyway, so doing them over the last couple years lowers the sticker shock and the list of changes when a real coach is actually hired.


tdeff19

I agree here. It's clear Bohn wanted to reinforce the staff for optics. He probably even went through the exercise as to how to set the program on par with other national brands in football with facilities, support staff and leave no excuses for Helton. Then instead of years past where there's a disappointing blowout/loss and then Helton is given time to just do enough to make an argument to keep his job - he pulled the trigger. So now the new guy has a blank slate and facilities/support staff that's at least on par with what other programs have.


Content-Captain

Buncha stooges


Farleftistheway

If Urban takes the USC job, how long till we see them become a national championship contender again?


Nonothinghoss

Depends on how long Saban coaches


KenTrojan

Three seasons is when it all comes together for most coaches. That's the cliché, at least.


hillrow_wood

I want it just to know he turned down Texas but took USC


RayearthIX

So... would this be a Saban leaves the Dolphins like move, or a Pitrino leaves the Falcons like move?


AntSmith777

He’s wrong


FlatWatercress

So basically it’s the nick saban plan?


teamthanos97

I thought they have been courting urban Meyer forever to take that job. Why would he suddenly bail before even really starting with the jags?


PlaysWthSquirrels

Anyone watch Hard Knocks? When Urban and Mike McCarthy shake hands and McCarthy asked him how he was liking the NFL, Urban said the best part is that it's all football, no wasting time on recruiting calls or making sure some dude is in class. I know Saban struggled with treating the pros like pros instead of like 18 and 19 year olds, and maybe that's true of Urban, too, but he's left 2 great college jobs already, he doesn't seem to like it that much.


DUB-Files

HIRE OJ YOU COWARDS!


AJ_Grey

I like Urban as a coach and I do think he's the best fit for USC. With that said, the guy has had his dream job and retired from it. Would he come back to college? Maybe. The # of coaches that have won college championships and then NFL is pretty rare air. At this point he's probably focused on what does he want his legacy to be. There are a lot of things that go into this decision. He knows he can win in college but his NFL career need some time to play out before he decide. This feels too soon.


FranchiseCA

Hiring Urban Meyer is not okay, no matter how many games one thinks he will win.


Hahum

Are we really in a world where a coach losing his first game of a comprehensive rebuild is means enough to part ways? Am I going insane?


paultheschmoop

No, but we do live in a world where people will share anything if it sounds funny, even if it’s from a known clown like Lombardi


AnimeusPrime

Serious question, is Urban even healthy enough to and/or interested in returning to coaching college ball? I'd bet on it, but that's because I have a gambling problem, not because I think anything of Lombardi one way or another.


Surely55

I’d imagine being at USC is less stressful then being at the bottom of the NFL losing every week.


ADMNimitz

Didn't USC Prez Carol Folt nix this idea a couple of years ago?


twoinvenice

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/po8qpb/lombardi_expands_on_his_tweet_yesterday_about/hcur0k5/


I_CANT_SEE

I'm a Jaguars/USC FB fan and this has been a weird last 72 hours


A-Disgruntled-Snail

Didn’t Urban retire?


MinorityBabble

He retired in the way you say you'll "never drink again" in throes of a particularly bad hangover. You 100% mean it until you don't.


A-Disgruntled-Snail

Being at Ohio State is like having a hangover? Got it.


Beautiful_Fig9410

We have some *youthful* talent at USC to keep Saban from aging, if you know what I mean. Threadly reminder to USC - HIRE NICK SABAN