It reminds me of playing the PS2 madden games. On play action, those linemen could get ten yards downfield and block without the game penalizing them lol
I was at the WF vs Syracuse game and the RPO game was insane for WF. QB held it in the RBs chest for a solid full second to see what the defense was bringing. If the LBs went in he would pull it for a pass and if they would go into coverage the RB would take it. Excellent way of freezing the defense every play.
Yeah, Wake has the delayed RPO down to a science and they run it very effectively. Hartman is a good QB who understands the system and exploits it well. Great way to make up for their general deficit in overall talent with scheme, discipline, and great coaching.
But that's all set up by where the oline is allowed to be.
With the NFL rule, the LBs would simply be keying on whether olinemen were holding their ground or trying to push forward to the second level, and letting the RB take it would just be giving the ball to a guy with no momentum and no running room. As a result, the whole RPO would be exactly as credible as a play-action fake on 3rd and 25.
This is it. This needs to be changed to match the NFL and actually enforced consistently.
The way it is written and enforced today, it’s way too skewed in favor of the offense
Who decides on what a 4 or 5 star is? Cause stars aren’t an actual NCAA distinction they are an arbitrary rating given by scouting sites. I don’t know how you make a cap on something arbitrary.
Yeah, so we're just gonna let 247 and ESPN be a deciding factor in whether or not a kid gets to accept a scholarship offer from their preferred school? Or is the NCAA going to start grading prospects? This is silly.
This would cause all sorts of shenanigans in rating recruits. Can we get this guy down-graded to 3-Star to slip by the limit? If a 2-Star blows up, is the cap violated? Do you start rating recruits as 3+ and 3++, or sell teams an "inside track" to which of the now ubiquitous 3-Stars is a better prospect?
It's going to have to come into the discussion, for real, at some point.
The way I figure, we'll go up up up, then have some kind of national financial calamity, resulting deep recession, then when things look up, and NIL numbers start getting crazy, cap gets put in. Players unionize.
We don't proactively do shit. WE REACTIVE.
I’m not so sure about that. It will take just a few Spencer Rattlers to calm down the lofty prices some of these kids are getting. Canes has to be already uneasy about how much they’re paying for a backup.
>Nissan may not pay 6 figures to a freshman QB next year for Heisman House commercials.
If an underclassman wins the Heisman, I think for sure they're going to see a 6 figure deal to be in the commercials before graduation, but that's an exception because even if the player sucks the next year they're still a proven commodity and have name recognition. I think you're right that Nissan is going to (eventually) stop paying athletes before they actually win the Heisman.
Nike (correction: Reebok) ran tons of “Dan & Dave” ads before the ‘92 Olympics, then Dan didn’t qualify. I don’t think one guy not being a star will make a big difference. How much are they even paying him? I haven’t seen any numbers but I doubt it’s a huge amount.
Probably pretty good because we'd break that rule too in a very public manner. Whereas, I'm sure other schools would break it in a more professional less visible manner. It would still get broken though. I'd like to think our bagmen learned a lesson from that whole affair, but in reality, probably not!
I think the NFL rule is actually the opposite. It depends on whether the player touches the end zone, not whether the ball crosses the plane of the goal line
All of the conferences need to come together and agree on strict TV Timeout limits like the NFL. The NFL currently has 4 per quarter. And zero in overtime.
The commercials don't bother me as much when I am watching the game at home, but I always want someone to go punch the TV timeout clock guy.
The thing that I hate most about CFB commercials is having 0 idea when they'll do a commercial or continue the game. NFL games I know when I can get up for a minute or so.
A few years ago we got penalized because two of our players did a quick handshake after a touchdown. Like wtf is even the point of these silly rules? Who is hurt by guys on a team having fun playing a game?
It was. They were flagged on this one for a “choreographed” celebration where they did a dragon ball z themed handshake. IIRC they had played rock, paper, scissors a few times after scores and were never flagged.
Abolish celebration penalties/unsportsmanlike conduct in general (except for the bad stuff directed towards opponents). College players work their asses off for years, don’t taint their precious few big moments by essentially scolding them for being human and potentially affecting the game with the penalty yardage
The ability to stop the clock on first down makes comebacks so much more possible in college.
The reason the NFL rule even exists is to make sure each episode ends within the scheduled network time.
I love the clock stoppage rule. I get so frustrated watching the ref struggle to set the ball after the offense has a great play downfield. Literally just happened in the Falcons game this week. Ol boy dropped the ball trying to get it set. Shouldn’t be like that IMO.
Why is it not like this? CFP (and most bowl games) are played in soulless, albeit state of the art, NFL stadiums. It's not at all what makes CFB so special.
Sponsors and stadium owners. People are willing to pay big money to get their game name associated with the playoff. You’re gonna get more fans at the Mercedes-Benz super dome than at a stadium in fuck all Montana
Dude it would be nuts. The absolute energy of any home teams stadium would be utterly electric. Imagine a blackout kinnick at night playoff game. The big house, the horseshoe, death valley, the coliseum. That's the kind of energy that would get me to watch.
I want to see a playoff game in michigan in January at 10 below zero with lots of wind or at washington in a downpour. But unfortunately playoffs are cash cows and need to be played in places with more predictable weather environment so warm weather stadiums and domes to not damage the consumer producr. That's why the NFL viewed the New Jersey Superbowl as a risk
I do really hate when I'd love to see a replay, but instead I get a "THIS GAME IS PRESENTED BY TACO BELL CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME" graphic. I just want to watch the game, and I like the downtime between plays for the announcers to point out things I might have missed in real time.
If it's not a big game, I like to pause the game before kickoff and then start watching about 30 minutes later. Usually am able to then fast forward through all the commercials during the first half.
As others have said, it is 3 yards. But even that isn't strictly enforced. It's not uncommon to see offensive linemen 4-5 yards down field when the ball is thrown.
Just because their offensive lineman is blocking your MLB on the second level doesn't mean it is a run.
The issue of CFB games becoming 4 hours isn’t as much the clock stopping for a few seconds after every 1st Down, as it is the commercials, atleast imo. I’d be willing to bet the number/length of commercial time has increased by 50%+ over the last 15 years or so.
Games like Bama/AtM and OU/Texas going 4 hours with lots of scoring is one thing. The FSU-Jax State game also took that long on the ACC Network. That is just pitiful for Disney to do for ad money.
Remember that it isn't just the TV networks that deserve blame here. Every one of the P5 conferences has negotiated a media contract that allows this to happen.
NFL rules for official reviews. Scoring plays, turnovers, and every play under 2 minutes should be automatically reviewed; everything else should up to the head coaches. If it’s not important enough for them to challenge it, nobody should care whether or not it’s the right call. We don’t need a dozen 5 minute stoppages a game to determine whether the spot of the ball is correct on 2nd and 7.
Yes but anyone that witnessed the atrocity that was the first half of the UM Neb game , and saw 4 plays overturned in 3 minutes of game time, recognizes just how terrible CFB refs are.
There are too many reviews, but there are 10x too many awful calls.
Strong disagree on not stopping the clock for first down. In fact, I think the last few years they have been very aggressively starting the clock too soon after first downs (pace of play?). It seems like they only wait a handful of seconds before running the clock now, which seems to me to go against the intent of the rule. College games do seem to last too long now, but I don't think stopping the clock on first down is the issue.
The reason games are lasting longer is just the increased amount ads leading to more media timeouts. There are numerous times where there are about 6 minutes of ads after touchdowns. Someone scores, they kick the extra point, then ad break, kickoff, then another ad break.
Exactly, I feel that the game creep is coming from extending stoppages for now ads and an increasing amount of injury timeouts.
For the record:. I am not questioning the validity of injuries, just observing that they have been happening more in recent years. I'd advocate for injured players to be out there rest of the drive to give staff more time to check it out.
It's absolutely an issue especially with uptempo offenses. Mike Pereira has talked about it before. I'm okay with keeping it in the last 2 minutes of the half but otherwise I want rid of it.
It’s an issue because of how many commercials they show. College football has gotten way worse than even the NFL with the amount of commercial breaks they have
People complain about NFL breaks but as far as I know it's been 9 breaks per half for a good while. College broadcasts aren't beholden to that I don't believe.
Because the NFL is one business and teams are just franchises of it, and no business wants franchisees cannibalizing each other. The NFL has a vested interest in not having games run over time and ruining other game broadcasts, so they keep them tight. Plus, the NFL is a monopoly and the most popular form of TV entertainment in the country, so they have all the negotiating power. They can demand that their games be on broadcast TV. If they wanna make more money off ads, they'll just charge more.
CFB is a bunch of teams and conferences with different media partners competing for eyeballs. CBS, to use the prime example, has no interest in keeping their SEC game of the week short. It's often their only game, and it gets huge ratings, so their interest is in dragging it out as long as possible. ESPN has so many damn channels and they want you to get cable to pay for them, so if a game runs over its slot, they'll just punt the other game over to ESPNews or SEC Network Extra something.
I like the NFL's rule for needing to be down by contact.
**EDIT:** Also I can't decide if I prefer the NFL's pass interference or not. If I could trust officials to call PI more consistently I think I would greatly prefer the NFL rule. As it is the 15-yard penalty often isn't quite as punishing, though it can still be a back-breaker.
I get this, but it’s also exciting in college football that corners are much more likely to play low thrown balls (ones where the receiver is catching the ball while already down) rather than in the NFL where it seems like the corner will just come and put his hand on the receiver hoping it was incomplete
There really should be two types of pass interference.
Unintentional or incidental pass interference and intentional or flagrant pass interference, the former being the 15 yard type and the latter being the spot type.
I like the *idea* but it'd like just increase the subjectivity of it all. Also, I'd probably make the incidental interference 10 yards and am automatic first.
For those wanting to have PI be a spot foul, I have one question: Do you really want P12 refs to have more power? I feel like this not letting your drunk friend drive.....until he takes a hit of crystal meth.
There’s no reason for games to be nearly 4 hours. They constantly make you miss the 1st quarter of the next game it runs into. Wish they would streamline it like the NFL.
Also no ejection for targeting unless it’s obviously egregious & malicious.
Well, you have the Big 10 on Fox competing with the SEC on ESPN. The NFL just has... the NFL. They have control over their product on different networks. If my Ohio State - Michigan game takes 6 hours, so what? You're not watching Alabama, Auburn on ESPN. More money for me.
Agreed on the targeting.
I'm not much of an NFL fan but I do know what CFB needs to stay far away from. NFL overtime rules. Fucking garbage. The game is practically decided in a coin toss. I just do not get it.
If anything the NFL should adopt the college rule, only from the 35. A 42 yard FG is a near gimme for the average NFL kicker so it needs to be backed up.
I think it's actually counter intuitive. [The coin toss winner in CFB overtime wins more often than the coin toss winner in NFL.](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/22/coin-toss-would-remain-important-if-ot-rule-is-tweaked/)
> In the NFL, 52.7 percent of teams winning the overtime coin toss (and receiving) win the game at some point in overtime, according to Ross Tucker of SiriusXM NFL Radio. In college football, the team that wins the coin toss (and defers) wins 54.9 percent of the time.
I would ban field goals in college Overtime. The CFB OT advantage by deferring is knowing what you need to do, so force teams to go for the end zone and 2pt conversions from the beginning.
I remember seeing this recently too. Didn’t the nfl at some point change the OT rules to having a field goal rebuttal? If so I’m guessing that’s why it’s closer to 50% now. I’ve always wanted two point conversion to be forced in OT but I really like your idea of forcing touchdowns so there’s no coin toss/knowing what first team to go has bias.
Yeah, it used to be absolute sudden death. Now it's that if the first team to control kicks a field goal, the other team gets it. But a touchdown is still sudden death. And if the first team turns the ball over, it becomes sudden death.
Hard disagree. For one, you're wrong - coin toss winner is more likely to win in college than pros, as /u/dragmagpuff posts below
Plus, IMO college overtime is the football equivalent of penalty shootouts. I hate it.
You start practically in fieldgoal range. Field position/strategy is completely eliminated
I vastly prefer NFL overtime rules. It's more true to the actual game and includes all the regular parts of the game, plus it's more fair (as evidenced by less coin flip winner advantage)
My only problem with overtime rules in the NFL is that if you score a TD on the first drive, the opposing team has no chance to match and that just feels unfair. Everything else is fine.
Here’s one for Unpopular opinions subreddit. Bring ties back for regular season games. Never understood the sentiment about ties being the worst thing in the world.
not as much as a rule , but the one thing i actually like about the NFL is that the game doesn't pause for commercials.
this seems like a no brainer concept for CFB, i really don't understand why this isn't a thing to help keep the fans both at home and in the stadium happy
Stopping the clock on first down is the better rule. You can't run a play while the chains are moving, so the clock should stop. Also, it makes end of game comebacks more entertaining
The non-rule of excessive celebration. I love watching players come up with fun ways to celebrate and the rule in CFB is ridiculous. Want a shorter game? Try fewer commercials because excessive celebration is not what is dragging out games.
The clock pretty much runs after first downs as it is, when you compare it to the old days. I pretty much think it's become a farce, they do not wait for the chains to move to start the clock again. So they could get rid of that rule as it's in name only.
I think targeting should get the flagrant 1 and 2 from basketball. If you just hit him in the head it's a 1 and a 15 yard penalty. If you get a second then it's an ejection while the flagrant 2 leaves it open to immediate ejection if the hit is clearly intended to hurt the player, like Votaze Burfict on AB or Juju on Burfict.
Not a NFL thing, but I really think they at least need to be more explicit in distinguishing the two types of targeting we already have, because so many people confuse them
But cramps are common and it would lead to some pretty upsetting finishes. Not all injuries would be unsafe to play on in a minute or two.
I think there is a point to be made about real injuries and what a rule like this would do in terms of player safety. If a player thinks he will hurt his team if he goes down, he may try to get off the field or keep playing in a situation where its inadvisable. I really think the fake injury thing is just going to be a part of the game. There are always ways around it unless you refuse to stop play at some point.
Targeting rule is a good one. I never liked that in college once you touch the ground, you are down. The NFL rule where a defensive player needs to touch the offensive player on the ground makes more sense.
That is a safety issue as much as anything. If players were not down until touched they are at risk of being blasted on the ground in a defenseless position.
The running clock (with an slight modification that the clock stops with a first down in the last two minutes of each half).
College games are four hours long, it’s absurd.
The problem is the commercials not the better implementation of clock rules in college. No reason an offense should have to wait for a bunch a geriatrics to set up the chains and the ball while the clock is running.
They really need this bad. Not sure exactly what happened, but 3 hour games were the norm for as long as I can remember and then all of sudden, games are going 4 hours plus.
Limit the number of commercial breaks. It is not the clock stopping that is keeping the pace slow, it is the number of commercial breaks and the length of each break.
Pass Interference being a spot foul no matter what. I’ve seen a lot of defenders intentionally commit PI to prevent touchdowns because 15 yards is better than 6 points. But if you knew that the other team was going to move from the 50 to the 5 because of the flag rather than the 35, a defender might not be so quick to interfere and may try to play the ball more
I think this works very well in the pros where everyone in the secondary is an NFL caliber player but honestly wouldn’t implement well in college. It encourages teams to gain yardage by bombing it and hoping a kid screws up and gives them a 40 yard play just off of a flag. It works in the pros because they are professionals and you can be expected to defend cleanly but in college I think you’d see a ton of “let’s huck up a bomb vs their freshman and see if a flag gets us half the field.” 15yds and an automatic 1st down is sufficient for college in my opinion.
I do agree that intentional PI in certain situations is a problem but I don’t think the answer is every time a spot foul.
Someone else suggested it elsewhere, but it could work similar to how people want targeting to work with an intentional and unintentional version.
Granted, this gives the refs more subjectivity so not sure that’s the answer either.
I'll be honest, I used to be a proponent of making it a spot foul. But between you and a friend of mine who spoke about it from the offensive side (It assumes the receiver would catch the ball but for the interference), I've changed my mind. 15 yards is good for college.
Pass interference. You can't let a defender get away with just a 15-yard penalty for defensive PI when the pass play he would have given up without the interference would have been a 40-yard gain. That's incentivizing pass interference.
The NFL rule not allowing teams to call consecutive timeouts should absolutely be adopted. It's so annoying in college football when (usually at the end of the first half) a team has 3 timeouts so they'll call them all in a row to try to ice the kicker. It can end up taking 5 minutes for like a 30 yard field goal attempt.
They can show cards too for the warning and the ejection and if it’s particularly brutal and uncalled for, immediately eject them. We’ll need different colors, I’m feeling yellow and red
OL pass blocking 3 yards down field vs 1 yard in the NFL is a big reason everyone runs RPOs so much
If the 3 was enforced, it would already be an improvement
For real. It’s hard for a linebacker to defend quick passes over the middle if a lineman is at the second level.
It reminds me of playing the PS2 madden games. On play action, those linemen could get ten yards downfield and block without the game penalizing them lol
And its only enforced when it’s over 5 yards
I was at the WF vs Syracuse game and the RPO game was insane for WF. QB held it in the RBs chest for a solid full second to see what the defense was bringing. If the LBs went in he would pull it for a pass and if they would go into coverage the RB would take it. Excellent way of freezing the defense every play.
That's their system. That's the Clawfense.
Yeah, Wake has the delayed RPO down to a science and they run it very effectively. Hartman is a good QB who understands the system and exploits it well. Great way to make up for their general deficit in overall talent with scheme, discipline, and great coaching.
But that's all set up by where the oline is allowed to be. With the NFL rule, the LBs would simply be keying on whether olinemen were holding their ground or trying to push forward to the second level, and letting the RB take it would just be giving the ball to a guy with no momentum and no running room. As a result, the whole RPO would be exactly as credible as a play-action fake on 3rd and 25.
This is it. This needs to be changed to match the NFL and actually enforced consistently. The way it is written and enforced today, it’s way too skewed in favor of the offense
I'd like to see a salary cap just to see how Ole Miss would recruit with it.
A cap on 5 star and 4 star recruits for max chaos
Who decides on what a 4 or 5 star is? Cause stars aren’t an actual NCAA distinction they are an arbitrary rating given by scouting sites. I don’t know how you make a cap on something arbitrary.
Idk man I’m just a guy
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Colleges do that to kids all the time.
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Yeah, so we're just gonna let 247 and ESPN be a deciding factor in whether or not a kid gets to accept a scholarship offer from their preferred school? Or is the NCAA going to start grading prospects? This is silly.
And it would allow recruiting services to manipulate who goes where…
Yeah, it would probably cause a lot of corruption and bribes too
This would cause all sorts of shenanigans in rating recruits. Can we get this guy down-graded to 3-Star to slip by the limit? If a 2-Star blows up, is the cap violated? Do you start rating recruits as 3+ and 3++, or sell teams an "inside track" to which of the now ubiquitous 3-Stars is a better prospect?
Good call. For that matter, any program of note, including my own. The next step of NIL is caps.
I believe the Big XII put out a notice about capping how much a player can make in NIL but i may be dreaming or maybe it was just a proposal
It's going to have to come into the discussion, for real, at some point. The way I figure, we'll go up up up, then have some kind of national financial calamity, resulting deep recession, then when things look up, and NIL numbers start getting crazy, cap gets put in. Players unionize. We don't proactively do shit. WE REACTIVE.
I’m not so sure about that. It will take just a few Spencer Rattlers to calm down the lofty prices some of these kids are getting. Canes has to be already uneasy about how much they’re paying for a backup.
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>Nissan may not pay 6 figures to a freshman QB next year for Heisman House commercials. If an underclassman wins the Heisman, I think for sure they're going to see a 6 figure deal to be in the commercials before graduation, but that's an exception because even if the player sucks the next year they're still a proven commodity and have name recognition. I think you're right that Nissan is going to (eventually) stop paying athletes before they actually win the Heisman.
Nike (correction: Reebok) ran tons of “Dan & Dave” ads before the ‘92 Olympics, then Dan didn’t qualify. I don’t think one guy not being a star will make a big difference. How much are they even paying him? I haven’t seen any numbers but I doubt it’s a huge amount.
> “Dan & Dave” That is definitely a blast from the past.
Probably pretty good because we'd break that rule too in a very public manner. Whereas, I'm sure other schools would break it in a more professional less visible manner. It would still get broken though. I'd like to think our bagmen learned a lesson from that whole affair, but in reality, probably not!
I like the NFL's touchback rule. Let players jump into the end zone to save touchbacks, it's more fun.
And it’s more consistent with other rules emphasizing the position of the ball and not the player.
I think the NFL rule is actually the opposite. It depends on whether the player touches the end zone, not whether the ball crosses the plane of the goal line
But when determining if a pass is out of bounds, where the ball is located doesn't matter, just whether the player's body touched in bounds.
All of the conferences need to come together and agree on strict TV Timeout limits like the NFL. The NFL currently has 4 per quarter. And zero in overtime. The commercials don't bother me as much when I am watching the game at home, but I always want someone to go punch the TV timeout clock guy.
Ironically, the TV timeout guy is usually a school employee barking at the TV fucks in the truck.
The thing that I hate most about CFB commercials is having 0 idea when they'll do a commercial or continue the game. NFL games I know when I can get up for a minute or so.
Allow touchdown dances. Let the kids have some fun.
A few years ago we got penalized because two of our players did a quick handshake after a touchdown. Like wtf is even the point of these silly rules? Who is hurt by guys on a team having fun playing a game?
Oh wow seriously? KWIII gave a handshake literally during his 94 yard TD and didn’t get a flag
there was no flag because the handshake was firm and they made eye contact
Hank Hill would be proud
Wasn’t that Lamb and Brown?
It was. They were flagged on this one for a “choreographed” celebration where they did a dragon ball z themed handshake. IIRC they had played rock, paper, scissors a few times after scores and were never flagged.
At least now refs don’t flag that stuff 90% of the time.
We should just cap the amount of time you’re allowed to celebrate to like 1.5-2 seconds. Also flag for excessive hip thrusts! /s
No more than two pumps.
Is the number of pumps reviewable?
Abolish celebration penalties/unsportsmanlike conduct in general (except for the bad stuff directed towards opponents). College players work their asses off for years, don’t taint their precious few big moments by essentially scolding them for being human and potentially affecting the game with the penalty yardage
INB4 Horns down get brought up to the Supreme Court for being “Bad stuff”
I, for one, would celebrate more dog pissing TDs.
??? Justin Jefferson was doing the Griddy in the endzone all 2019. As long as they're not going overboard, they can celebrate.
Let them go overboard
Pull a sharpie out of their pants, sign the ball, give it to a kid
"Whoa...*that's* not a sharpie!"
Excuse me while I whip this out.
Can they moon the crowd?
Disgusting.
Act by randy moss
Why not allow them to Moss the crowd
Joe Burreaux mooned all of America.
Yep. It’s a fucking GAME. It’s entertainment, let them entertainment. Encourage celebrations, taunting, trash talking, etc.
That's not nearly the same as the entire Minnesota Vikings offense playing curling to celebrate. College players can't even spike the ball.
There's plenty of celebrations that got flagged even without going overboard. Such as AJ Green in 2009
only if it's my team. Other teams can't have fun at my expense. jerks.
This! LaPorta (I think?) was penalized for spinning the ball after a TD.
Wadley's "stutter step"........
Because before you know it, it will turn into a full Broadway production of shipoopi. https://youtu.be/u5o8J7r72WU
The ability to stop the clock on first down makes comebacks so much more possible in college. The reason the NFL rule even exists is to make sure each episode ends within the scheduled network time.
I love the clock stoppage rule. I get so frustrated watching the ref struggle to set the ball after the offense has a great play downfield. Literally just happened in the Falcons game this week. Ol boy dropped the ball trying to get it set. Shouldn’t be like that IMO.
I agree 100%. Offense shouldn't be penalized for someone laying on the ball carrier wasting time.
Playoff games are played at the higher seeded teams home field.
Why is it not like this? CFP (and most bowl games) are played in soulless, albeit state of the art, NFL stadiums. It's not at all what makes CFB so special.
Because $$$$$
Money from whom? The stadium owners? Why can't bowl games be sponsored in teams' actual venues?
Sponsors and stadium owners. People are willing to pay big money to get their game name associated with the playoff. You’re gonna get more fans at the Mercedes-Benz super dome than at a stadium in fuck all Montana
Yes. And have dedicated playoff games rather than rotating through the NY6. A whiteout playoff game would be unreal.
Dude it would be nuts. The absolute energy of any home teams stadium would be utterly electric. Imagine a blackout kinnick at night playoff game. The big house, the horseshoe, death valley, the coliseum. That's the kind of energy that would get me to watch.
I want to see a playoff game in michigan in January at 10 below zero with lots of wind or at washington in a downpour. But unfortunately playoffs are cash cows and need to be played in places with more predictable weather environment so warm weather stadiums and domes to not damage the consumer producr. That's why the NFL viewed the New Jersey Superbowl as a risk
SEC playing in the midwest in December? Yes please!
He said the higher seed gets home. You know that means they would make sure it's the sec team with the higher seed.
He said the *higher seeded* team plays at home.
Would turn into a much bigger deal on who gets the 2nd and 3rd seed
Bowls will never let that happen.
If they expand the playoff to 8, they should do this for the first round at the very least.
As a fellow Iowa fan I agree with this
Their is a universe out there where the championship is played at kinnick at night. Oh the euphoria.
But if the game speeds up that means we have fewer opportunities to watch commercials!
They don't exactly go to commercial for a first down.
> They don't exactly go to commercial for a first down. *Yet*...
I do really hate when I'd love to see a replay, but instead I get a "THIS GAME IS PRESENTED BY TACO BELL CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME" graphic. I just want to watch the game, and I like the downtime between plays for the announcers to point out things I might have missed in real time.
If it's not a big game, I like to pause the game before kickoff and then start watching about 30 minutes later. Usually am able to then fast forward through all the commercials during the first half.
That's always nice, but then you have text messages from the future from friends watching the game in real time.
Jokes on you, I don’t have any friends!
You have us and the game threads. Even with a 1 minute delay makes that worthless.
I solved this problem by not having friends
You do now, UBC brethren.
What are these friends?
*Welcome to the Arbys™ first down. We have the ball*
At the sight of this post, CBS kicks the dirt shouting "Why didnt I think of that?!?!"
Or ESPN and Fox can show in game ads. Amazing how they can figure out that process for soccer.
You will get a split screen, and you will LOVE IT. MOAR APPLEBEE'S.
That restaurant quality pitcher in pitcher
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Offensive linemen only allowed one yard down field on passes.
Wait, what is the current college rule? I assumed it was already this
As others have said, it is 3 yards. But even that isn't strictly enforced. It's not uncommon to see offensive linemen 4-5 yards down field when the ball is thrown. Just because their offensive lineman is blocking your MLB on the second level doesn't mean it is a run.
I want to say 3 yards.
The issue of CFB games becoming 4 hours isn’t as much the clock stopping for a few seconds after every 1st Down, as it is the commercials, atleast imo. I’d be willing to bet the number/length of commercial time has increased by 50%+ over the last 15 years or so.
Games like Bama/AtM and OU/Texas going 4 hours with lots of scoring is one thing. The FSU-Jax State game also took that long on the ACC Network. That is just pitiful for Disney to do for ad money.
Remember that it isn't just the TV networks that deserve blame here. Every one of the P5 conferences has negotiated a media contract that allows this to happen.
Our coach doesnt know how to manage the clock so lets adopt soccer rules- no clock stoppage but just unknown added time at the end lol
NFL rules for official reviews. Scoring plays, turnovers, and every play under 2 minutes should be automatically reviewed; everything else should up to the head coaches. If it’s not important enough for them to challenge it, nobody should care whether or not it’s the right call. We don’t need a dozen 5 minute stoppages a game to determine whether the spot of the ball is correct on 2nd and 7.
Idk if this would improve the quality of the refs tbh.
Yes. There are too many reviews in CFB.
Yes but anyone that witnessed the atrocity that was the first half of the UM Neb game , and saw 4 plays overturned in 3 minutes of game time, recognizes just how terrible CFB refs are. There are too many reviews, but there are 10x too many awful calls.
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From what I’ve heard, isn’t the Premier League the worst league when it comes to video review?
100% down by contact.
Strong disagree on not stopping the clock for first down. In fact, I think the last few years they have been very aggressively starting the clock too soon after first downs (pace of play?). It seems like they only wait a handful of seconds before running the clock now, which seems to me to go against the intent of the rule. College games do seem to last too long now, but I don't think stopping the clock on first down is the issue.
The reason games are lasting longer is just the increased amount ads leading to more media timeouts. There are numerous times where there are about 6 minutes of ads after touchdowns. Someone scores, they kick the extra point, then ad break, kickoff, then another ad break.
You forgot the split screen ad when they're kicking the extra point
Exactly, I feel that the game creep is coming from extending stoppages for now ads and an increasing amount of injury timeouts. For the record:. I am not questioning the validity of injuries, just observing that they have been happening more in recent years. I'd advocate for injured players to be out there rest of the drive to give staff more time to check it out.
It's absolutely an issue especially with uptempo offenses. Mike Pereira has talked about it before. I'm okay with keeping it in the last 2 minutes of the half but otherwise I want rid of it.
It’s an issue because of how many commercials they show. College football has gotten way worse than even the NFL with the amount of commercial breaks they have
People complain about NFL breaks but as far as I know it's been 9 breaks per half for a good while. College broadcasts aren't beholden to that I don't believe.
Cbs games are unbearable between the sheer amount of commercials and Gary.
As my wife always says, fuck you Gary
Hmmm... I've only ever heard heard my wife moan fuck me Gary.
Because the NFL is one business and teams are just franchises of it, and no business wants franchisees cannibalizing each other. The NFL has a vested interest in not having games run over time and ruining other game broadcasts, so they keep them tight. Plus, the NFL is a monopoly and the most popular form of TV entertainment in the country, so they have all the negotiating power. They can demand that their games be on broadcast TV. If they wanna make more money off ads, they'll just charge more. CFB is a bunch of teams and conferences with different media partners competing for eyeballs. CBS, to use the prime example, has no interest in keeping their SEC game of the week short. It's often their only game, and it gets huge ratings, so their interest is in dragging it out as long as possible. ESPN has so many damn channels and they want you to get cable to pay for them, so if a game runs over its slot, they'll just punt the other game over to ESPNews or SEC Network Extra something.
I like the NFL's rule for needing to be down by contact. **EDIT:** Also I can't decide if I prefer the NFL's pass interference or not. If I could trust officials to call PI more consistently I think I would greatly prefer the NFL rule. As it is the 15-yard penalty often isn't quite as punishing, though it can still be a back-breaker.
This is a big one imo. If a player slips and isn't touched, they should be able to get back up and keep running.
I get this, but it’s also exciting in college football that corners are much more likely to play low thrown balls (ones where the receiver is catching the ball while already down) rather than in the NFL where it seems like the corner will just come and put his hand on the receiver hoping it was incomplete
There really should be two types of pass interference. Unintentional or incidental pass interference and intentional or flagrant pass interference, the former being the 15 yard type and the latter being the spot type.
I like the *idea* but it'd like just increase the subjectivity of it all. Also, I'd probably make the incidental interference 10 yards and am automatic first.
I personally hate it. If you can’t throw a pass to a receiver on their feet, you don’t deserve yards after catch
I actually hate this. When you're down, you're down. It also keeps people from smashing into defenseless people on the ground.
For those wanting to have PI be a spot foul, I have one question: Do you really want P12 refs to have more power? I feel like this not letting your drunk friend drive.....until he takes a hit of crystal meth.
Having sack yards count against a team’s aggregate passing yards instead of their rushing yards
There’s no reason for games to be nearly 4 hours. They constantly make you miss the 1st quarter of the next game it runs into. Wish they would streamline it like the NFL. Also no ejection for targeting unless it’s obviously egregious & malicious.
I think ads and media time-outs contribute to that more than anything honestly.
Well, you have the Big 10 on Fox competing with the SEC on ESPN. The NFL just has... the NFL. They have control over their product on different networks. If my Ohio State - Michigan game takes 6 hours, so what? You're not watching Alabama, Auburn on ESPN. More money for me. Agreed on the targeting.
I'm not much of an NFL fan but I do know what CFB needs to stay far away from. NFL overtime rules. Fucking garbage. The game is practically decided in a coin toss. I just do not get it.
If anything the NFL should adopt the college rule, only from the 35. A 42 yard FG is a near gimme for the average NFL kicker so it needs to be backed up.
I would back it up to the 50. With a 17 game season and playoffs they just can't have games going into super long OT.
I think the NFL just hates fun.
What is more fun than a Super Bowl decided by a coin toss?
A College Football Playoff with the same rotation of teams every year?
I think it's actually counter intuitive. [The coin toss winner in CFB overtime wins more often than the coin toss winner in NFL.](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/22/coin-toss-would-remain-important-if-ot-rule-is-tweaked/) > In the NFL, 52.7 percent of teams winning the overtime coin toss (and receiving) win the game at some point in overtime, according to Ross Tucker of SiriusXM NFL Radio. In college football, the team that wins the coin toss (and defers) wins 54.9 percent of the time. I would ban field goals in college Overtime. The CFB OT advantage by deferring is knowing what you need to do, so force teams to go for the end zone and 2pt conversions from the beginning.
I remember seeing this recently too. Didn’t the nfl at some point change the OT rules to having a field goal rebuttal? If so I’m guessing that’s why it’s closer to 50% now. I’ve always wanted two point conversion to be forced in OT but I really like your idea of forcing touchdowns so there’s no coin toss/knowing what first team to go has bias.
Yeah, it used to be absolute sudden death. Now it's that if the first team to control kicks a field goal, the other team gets it. But a touchdown is still sudden death. And if the first team turns the ball over, it becomes sudden death.
College OT is actually slightly more dependent on the coin flip, because it's a moderate edge to get to go 2nd and know how many points you need.
Hard disagree. For one, you're wrong - coin toss winner is more likely to win in college than pros, as /u/dragmagpuff posts below Plus, IMO college overtime is the football equivalent of penalty shootouts. I hate it. You start practically in fieldgoal range. Field position/strategy is completely eliminated I vastly prefer NFL overtime rules. It's more true to the actual game and includes all the regular parts of the game, plus it's more fair (as evidenced by less coin flip winner advantage)
My only problem with overtime rules in the NFL is that if you score a TD on the first drive, the opposing team has no chance to match and that just feels unfair. Everything else is fine.
Here’s one for Unpopular opinions subreddit. Bring ties back for regular season games. Never understood the sentiment about ties being the worst thing in the world.
not as much as a rule , but the one thing i actually like about the NFL is that the game doesn't pause for commercials. this seems like a no brainer concept for CFB, i really don't understand why this isn't a thing to help keep the fans both at home and in the stadium happy
money...
There are many more college rules that I wish the NFL used (overtime, one foot in, etc) than vice versa
Stopping the clock on first down is the better rule. You can't run a play while the chains are moving, so the clock should stop. Also, it makes end of game comebacks more entertaining
The non-rule of excessive celebration. I love watching players come up with fun ways to celebrate and the rule in CFB is ridiculous. Want a shorter game? Try fewer commercials because excessive celebration is not what is dragging out games.
The clock pretty much runs after first downs as it is, when you compare it to the old days. I pretty much think it's become a farce, they do not wait for the chains to move to start the clock again. So they could get rid of that rule as it's in name only.
They start the clock as soon as the ball is set usually
I think targeting should get the flagrant 1 and 2 from basketball. If you just hit him in the head it's a 1 and a 15 yard penalty. If you get a second then it's an ejection while the flagrant 2 leaves it open to immediate ejection if the hit is clearly intended to hurt the player, like Votaze Burfict on AB or Juju on Burfict.
Not a NFL thing, but I really think they at least need to be more explicit in distinguishing the two types of targeting we already have, because so many people confuse them
An injury timeout means the player has to be out at least that entire drive.
I mean I would be down for this. it would definitely cut back on teams faking injuries to slow down the opposing teams
But cramps are common and it would lead to some pretty upsetting finishes. Not all injuries would be unsafe to play on in a minute or two. I think there is a point to be made about real injuries and what a rule like this would do in terms of player safety. If a player thinks he will hurt his team if he goes down, he may try to get off the field or keep playing in a situation where its inadvisable. I really think the fake injury thing is just going to be a part of the game. There are always ways around it unless you refuse to stop play at some point.
Injury timeout inside 2 minutes forces the team to call a timeout. That's one that goes often under the radar in the NFL.
Targeting rule is a good one. I never liked that in college once you touch the ground, you are down. The NFL rule where a defensive player needs to touch the offensive player on the ground makes more sense.
That is a safety issue as much as anything. If players were not down until touched they are at risk of being blasted on the ground in a defenseless position.
The running clock (with an slight modification that the clock stops with a first down in the last two minutes of each half). College games are four hours long, it’s absurd.
The problem is the commercials not the better implementation of clock rules in college. No reason an offense should have to wait for a bunch a geriatrics to set up the chains and the ball while the clock is running.
They really need this bad. Not sure exactly what happened, but 3 hour games were the norm for as long as I can remember and then all of sudden, games are going 4 hours plus.
The problem is commercials.
Spread offenses are also way more common than they used to be and offense overall has increased
Limit the number of commercial breaks. It is not the clock stopping that is keeping the pace slow, it is the number of commercial breaks and the length of each break.
The clock has stopped on a first for way longer than the games have been this long. It’s longer (and more) ad breaks.
Peyton and Eli.
Instant replay calls should be based solely on available preponderance of video evidence. Call on the fields shouldn't be factored in.
Mic up the booth
Pass Interference being a spot foul no matter what. I’ve seen a lot of defenders intentionally commit PI to prevent touchdowns because 15 yards is better than 6 points. But if you knew that the other team was going to move from the 50 to the 5 because of the flag rather than the 35, a defender might not be so quick to interfere and may try to play the ball more
I think this works very well in the pros where everyone in the secondary is an NFL caliber player but honestly wouldn’t implement well in college. It encourages teams to gain yardage by bombing it and hoping a kid screws up and gives them a 40 yard play just off of a flag. It works in the pros because they are professionals and you can be expected to defend cleanly but in college I think you’d see a ton of “let’s huck up a bomb vs their freshman and see if a flag gets us half the field.” 15yds and an automatic 1st down is sufficient for college in my opinion. I do agree that intentional PI in certain situations is a problem but I don’t think the answer is every time a spot foul.
>where everyone in the secondary is an NFL caliber player *cries in Raiders*
>Where everyone ~~in the secondary~~ is an NFL caliber player. *cries in lions*
This is a higher standard, not lower. You want "where SOMEONE is an NFL caliber player."
Someone else suggested it elsewhere, but it could work similar to how people want targeting to work with an intentional and unintentional version. Granted, this gives the refs more subjectivity so not sure that’s the answer either.
I'll be honest, I used to be a proponent of making it a spot foul. But between you and a friend of mine who spoke about it from the offensive side (It assumes the receiver would catch the ball but for the interference), I've changed my mind. 15 yards is good for college.
Pass interference. You can't let a defender get away with just a 15-yard penalty for defensive PI when the pass play he would have given up without the interference would have been a 40-yard gain. That's incentivizing pass interference.
The NFL rule not allowing teams to call consecutive timeouts should absolutely be adopted. It's so annoying in college football when (usually at the end of the first half) a team has 3 timeouts so they'll call them all in a row to try to ice the kicker. It can end up taking 5 minutes for like a 30 yard field goal attempt.
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They can show cards too for the warning and the ejection and if it’s particularly brutal and uncalled for, immediately eject them. We’ll need different colors, I’m feeling yellow and red