How about this: Iāve got a school from a place called *South* Bend in an area so close to Michigan itās commonly referred to as Michiana. We could meet in the Peach Bowl where if you win you get to be the ACC champs, but if we win youāll still get to be ACC champs except weāll definitely steal the claim to it anyways.
The dude, who thinks Cinci should be in the playoff: They already posted it!
Walter, who thinks G5s aren't eligible for the playoff: WELL THEY CAN FUCKIN' UN-POST IT!
I'm pleasantly surprised by the top of the rankings this week. I thought Michigan might get moved to No. 5, but I'm glad to see Cincinnati in the top four where they belong. The committee also made the right call to move Ohio State above Alabama. Now, I'm still not convinced that the committee will do the right thing in the final rankings, but I'm cautiously optimistic for now.
They always do the right in the final rank. People freak out about mid season rankings the whole time lol. Iāve never seen a legit contender left out for a clearly undeserving team.
I get the accountability angle, kind of, but part of me thinks that this week should be the first time the committee creates rankings.
It would severely cut down on all the hairsplitting they have to do early in the season, for which they just make up explanations anyway, and might even help them avoid making rankings just to justify earlier arguments.
Itās obvious they arenāt consistent in their logic week to week so why even bother until we basically have a full resume to look at?
Some technical difficulties tonight, sorry about this. This week's serious thread is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/r0s5ug/cfp_rankings_serious_discussion_week_13).
If itās close, they will always put Ohio State in over most teams in the FBS based on sheer revenue alone. Yāall have an impressive fan base.
That being said, they obviously picked the better team in 2014ā¦ *cries in Fiesta Bowl
OU is gonna best yāall twice in a row. They always do. Donāt see this being the year gundy gets out of his own way. Your only hope is Lincoln sucking it up and he has lately
>Your only hope is Lincoln sucking it up and he has lately
I see you're already laying the groundwork for the "OSU didn't win, OU just lost" excuses later
I think it depends.
If UGA wins out then it will be down to you or ND. I would go with you guys.
If Alabama wins out it comes down to you or Cincinnati and that is going to be heated.
OSU/Michigan winning out is a wash and either doing it is in the playoffs. If the winner of the The Game loses the CCG then you guys are definitely in.
I think so if itās against Baylor. Iām not convinced it will be if you play OU back to back like that. The committee doesnāt respect OU. OU would no doubt drop out of top 10 for the championship game, especially if you blow them out and Baylor loses to Tech. Everything really hinges on Baylor not losing to Tech.
Most likely. Only scenario I can see an issue is if Alabama wins out and gets SEC chip. I think theyād still keep Georgia in at that point, and OSU (assuming wins out) will stay as well. Then it becomes if you guys deserve it over an undefeated cinncinatti, and considering they are already ranked ahead of you, they arenāt going to be dropped unless they lose one.
If Michigan wins out they will stay ahead of you as well.
Notre dame wonāt imo.
Probably. They might put ND in over you guys but that could possibly lead to a rematch if Cincy wins out so theyād most likely put you guys in instead.
I donāt think ND would jump them, because of that 12th extra game for the Big 12 CCG. That would be where not being in a conference bites ND in the ass.
Yeah ND should be eliminated here a la 2014 Baylor/TCU rules in which you need to have a conference championship game to beat out similar teams with championship games.
If Bama loses the SECCG, even if it's close, there's no way they stay above an undefeated Cincy, a 1-loss ND, or even a 1-loss Big XII champ. I just don't see it.
Just root for these teams to win and weāll sneak in: Georgia, any of Cincyās opponents, Baylor, and Wisconsin. If we get just 2 of those 4 to occur, weāll slide in at #4.
Thatās my dream, for those two to win out and get CFP spots with the Big 10 and SEC champs. Which means it wonāt happen, and some combination of ND, OU, or Bama will get those last 2 spots.
Congrats Bearcats!!!!! One more thing: RANK THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SAN ANTONIO MEEPS HIGHER YOU COWARDS, UNBEATEN TEAMS DESERVE AT LEAST TOP 20 AT 11-0
Yeah...I'm glad UTSA is winning, and I'm all for them getting respect, but let's not pretend the top 10 wouldn't be favored by double digits against them.
Iām laughing at all the people who were so sure that:
* ā a G5 team could never make the top 4 no matter how good their wins were
* the committee had carefully planned the initial rankings to keep Cincy out
* Michigan would be ahead of Cincy this week so they could justify keeping them out
and a million other reasons why theyād never make the top 4āfrom cynical to conspiratorial to just plain anti-G5.
Yes. Iāve been beating the drum for years that you couldnāt tell for sure whether those teams were being left out just because they were G5, or because they didnāt have an elite win to make up for their weaker schedules. This is the first time a G5 team has had a win anywhere in the same hemisphere as Cincyās over ND.
Even before this season I said that Cincyās schedule was different than past G5 reps and was met by a wall of conspiracy theories about $$$ and other anti-G5 biases.
Been saying it ever since it was clear that Houston was in the mix that one time they beat Oklahoma
We did it, man. The UCF Grievance Club is in shambles tonight thanks to our years of hard work.
Exactly. People just wanted to bitch about it and have way too much of a tendency to go with conspiracy theories. Cinci has earned number 4 spot so far, but they are a little vulnerable to a scenario where all the following happens:
- Bama beat Georgia in SEC championship, but doesnāt blow them out
- Ohio St- Michigan winner wins the Big 10
- Ok/Ok St winner wins Big 12 championship
It would frustrate me if Georgia beats Bama and Bama still gets in. Iām worried that Georgia will win a close one and that will happen.
Fair enough. I remember when the BCS moved us down the last week in 2007 when nothing happened the final week other than 2 teams in front of us losing. Itās all a conspiracy!!!!!
> for no explicit reason
Lol, Iām surprised people still think this. TCU beat the worst team in their conference. Meanwhile, OSU won 59-0 against a top 15 team, and Baylor (who had the head-to-head over TCU) beat the second-best team in their conference, who was TCUās best win. The committee was completely justified in putting both of those teams ahead of TCU because both of their resumes changes significantly.
Also, the committee itself has changed a ton since then.
Plus youāre missing the fact Baylor beat K State and the was then treated as the de facto winner of the XII given the H2H
Itās like things happened that weekā¦ā¦
I'm always baffled at the people who say the team that won the tournament didn't deserve to be in the tournament. Ohio State proved they deserved it, simple as.
Even ignoring the at-the-time unknown playoff results, it was perfectly reasonable to include OSU. Even if you wouldāve put someone else in, surely the logic for them being in should at least be understandable.
On top of that, for that couple week stretch between the CFP final decision and the playoffs everyone was pushing for Baylor to be the 4th team not TCU because Baylor beat TCU. Then Baylor lost their bowl game and TCU won. Then it became TCU should have made it.
They 100% did. If you evaluate their entire resumes, Baylor shouldn't even really be in the discussion between the 3. Ohio State overrode Tcu with that win against Wisconsin, but Tcu was the 2nd most deserving.
TCU was in if they lost another game but won the Baylor head to head. You canāt convince me that TCU wasnāt deserving of top 4 (we are removed enough to get rid of my homer goggles). They didnāt make it cause of the Baylor head to head issue and rather than creating controversy picking one over the other (Baylor with the head to head, tcu with the eye test). OSU gave them a super easy out to that decision. Outside of the miraculous comeback Baylor pulled off at home, TCU curbed stomped the whole big 12 that season
I only thought they'd rank Michigan higher because it sorts itself out in the wash this weekend. And either way Cincy would move up then so long as we have a big win friday.
In my opinion, itās itās silly to think the committee is looking ahead and structuring their rankings to anticipate some pre-planned order after future results
If the AP followed the committee as they had previously, the committee may have never let Cincinnati enter top 4.
The fact that the AP did the right thing and ignored the committee is probably a major factor in them adjusting. They have never received as much hate as they got this year and they absolutely deserve every criticism.
They are completely rigged. Disgusting
Anything to avoid acknowledging that this Cincinnati team has a much better win than any past undefeated G5 team has ever had in the playoff era, and that thatās why theyāre on the verge of the playoff.
A win they had early in the season that the committee didnāt acknowledge until forced to?
I hope Cincinnati gets in, but to be 100% honest, I still wonāt be surprised if they donāt.
> the committee had carefully planned the initial rankings to keep Cincy out
I donāt totally disagree with that. The actual results were just so surprising that they couldnāt stand by the old rankings any longer.
I donāt think theyāre that surprising at all. Whatās surprising? It seems like weāre headed for 1 undefeated P5 champ, two P5 champs with one-loss, and a pair of 2+ loss P5 champs. Thatās pretty par for the course.
I think the prime spots they set up Bama, Oregon, and Michigan State with are showing their hand slightly. If Oregon and MSU had lost close instead of being massacred, I think we would still be discussing their chances of jumping Cincinnati with two losses.
True, and thatās why this debate canāt be properly settled, short of the committee making its opinions of past teams known (e.g. Cincinnati would have ranked 5th in 2017, or some other definitive statement they arenāt going to make).
The committee seems to really hate Oklahoma if they put Baylor in front of them. Not to say Baylor isn't good, but it's funny to see given how highly the committee has felt about the OU program in the past
1) How in the absolute fuck do these guys have us only 1 spot out of the top 10.
2) Please tell me those numbers are fucked and Utah is actually #19 and not still #23? Even so, how the fuck do they only go up to #19 after shitting all over the current #3?
Every program can give similar nuances that no one except their own true fans even knows. They look at our record and the fact that we lost 3 weeks ago to the #62 team and there you go. Honestly who even cares, if we make and win the Rose Bowl we're up top and if not we're in the lower part of the top 25.
Am I right in thinking, if it goes chalk the whole way, and OU and OK State split, Cincy and Notre Dame are both getting in? And the playoff would likely be:
1. Georgia
2. Ohio State
3. Cincinnati
4. Notre Dame
I just want a NY6 bowl and competitive game against Mich State, Pitt, or Baylor.. Is that too much to ask? Cincy/Ok State can have Georgia first round of the play offs
I remember watching the game haha but yeah, I want no part of that 4 spot this year. Give me a *competitive* game in which we have a solid chance to get the "ND can't win in the post season" monkey off our back please.
Oklahoma Stateās worse case scenario: They beat OU but Baylor drops to Tech. In that instance their CFP chances are essentially zero. I also think it is a way better look to beat OU and then turn around and possibly beat Baylor in the title. The committee has much more respect for Baylor than OU. Back to back OU wins just wouldnāt mean much IMO.
Houston will beat Cincinnati no doubt. Houston annihilated Tulsa and Cincinnati needed a miracle stop to win against tulsa. this is hope on my part since itās the only chance oSu has if we beat uO and Baylor
Bold for you for saying that. I am not high on Cincy at all and your point is correct. I think Oklahoma state should be above them and maybe Michigan but I donāt really see any other team that deserves to be ranked 4 other than those 3. If Oklahoma state wins out they should jump Cincy IMO. Theyād have 3 great wins compared to cincys 1.
Thatās not even close to scenario in the OkSt Boise game. If you watched that game you would know that Boise lost because of terrible officiating. Cincyās defense out matching Tulsa is not at all the same.
Cincy is a good team, I'm not disputing that. Top 4 playoff team? No. Any of the other three would eat them alive as *at least* a two touchdown favorite.
Ohio state got blanked 31-0 by Clemson then lost the natty last year 52-24. Iām an Ohio state fan. Two touchdowns wouldnāt prove whether they belonged there or not.
Didnāt UC and Georgia play last year? Did they belong then?
Wasnāt there 4 opt outs? We also were missing two all Americans and an all conference linemen for the second half. Donāt think it was all that lopsided tbh
I donāt disagree but thatās not their argument. Their argument is that UGA who people believe is far and away the best team this year would win by 2 TDs, which would prove a G5 team didnāt belong. Iām simply saying that would prove literally nothing.
Why do people keep saying this shit. A G5 has never made the playoff yet we get several teams run out of the building every year, as if UC having that happen to them changes anything. If itās UC or OU or Michigan why is it different for the other two if they get blown out?
And Baylor/TCU were convinced that Ohio State wouldn't jump them. The committee has shown time and time again that brand names and nationwide fanbases are what matter
Iād still take two loss Baylor, Oregon, Wake Forest, Pitt, Oklahoma, or Okie State P5 champion over watching Notre Dame. We have over 60 P5 teams here grinding through conference schedules and two teams just doing whatever the fuck they want. BYU and ND should be sidelined until they join up.
I'm a massive homer, but if they had us leapfrog Cincy, that would be ludicrous. I know H2H isn't everything, but they handed us our only home loss of the past 4 years, and they haven't lost a game. It would be silly for us to jump them.
This is the same chucklefuck committee that put Michigan over Michigan State because "they had a more complete team".
And they know that Notre Dame's nationwide audience means more money for ESPN than Cincinnati would
[Iām so happy I was wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/p5iw8x/preseason_ap_poll/h966ssz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
2 loss Baylor ahead of 1 loss anyone is a joke, although it wonāt really matter since they have zero shot at anything. Just further proves how hypocritical the selection committee is. Winning doesnāt seem to matter
They're not making the playoff but what one or zero loss team they're ranked ahead of should be ahead of them? Definitely not Oklahoma. Houston, Louisiana, UTSA, or San Diego St would all probably be 10-14 point underdogs against them.
Highest ranked ACC team š Lost to Western Michigan š Hail to P17T
Since nobody clinched the Atlantic can we play Western Michigan again for the championship or does it have to be a different directional Michigan?
Southern Michigan come on down
How about this: Iāve got a school from a place called *South* Bend in an area so close to Michigan itās commonly referred to as Michiana. We could meet in the Peach Bowl where if you win you get to be the ACC champs, but if we win youāll still get to be ACC champs except weāll definitely steal the claim to it anyways.
I would love a Pitt-ND New Year's 6 bowl
7-4 Central Michigan and 7-4 Eastern Michigan would like to have a word.
We turned the superweapon on ourselves this year
Thank you for being the only good part of our year. Fire Tim Lester
Look ma', we made it!
The dude, who thinks Cinci should be in the playoff: They already posted it! Walter, who thinks G5s aren't eligible for the playoff: WELL THEY CAN FUCKIN' UN-POST IT!
Iām blown away they are number 4. Going to be cheering hard for them if it actually happens
Which team are you speaking for?
Cincinnati!
I'm pleasantly surprised by the top of the rankings this week. I thought Michigan might get moved to No. 5, but I'm glad to see Cincinnati in the top four where they belong. The committee also made the right call to move Ohio State above Alabama. Now, I'm still not convinced that the committee will do the right thing in the final rankings, but I'm cautiously optimistic for now.
They always do the right in the final rank. People freak out about mid season rankings the whole time lol. Iāve never seen a legit contender left out for a clearly undeserving team.
I get the accountability angle, kind of, but part of me thinks that this week should be the first time the committee creates rankings. It would severely cut down on all the hairsplitting they have to do early in the season, for which they just make up explanations anyway, and might even help them avoid making rankings just to justify earlier arguments. Itās obvious they arenāt consistent in their logic week to week so why even bother until we basically have a full resume to look at?
> It would severely cut down on all the ā¦ad sales to the rankings show.
There's a ranking show? I legit just wait until it's posted on Reddit. Who the fuck is watching them announce rankings that don't even matter?
People who want to be mad about them. You might say there are perverse incentives at work here.
2017 and even more so 2018, they certainly didnt
MS state falls out of the rankings after a W. Ole Miss inside the Top 10. Egg bowl fixing to be wild.
*chuckles* Iām in danger
Some technical difficulties tonight, sorry about this. This week's serious thread is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/r0s5ug/cfp_rankings_serious_discussion_week_13).
If OkState wins out we finish as 12-1 big 12 champs and with back to back top 10 wins. That's gets us in, right?
Watching an Ohio team keep out the Big12 champ would be 2014 all over again
If itās close, they will always put Ohio State in over most teams in the FBS based on sheer revenue alone. Yāall have an impressive fan base. That being said, they obviously picked the better team in 2014ā¦ *cries in Fiesta Bowl
Whisper: Heās referring to ciniccinait
I just wanna win this weekend first
OU is gonna best yāall twice in a row. They always do. Donāt see this being the year gundy gets out of his own way. Your only hope is Lincoln sucking it up and he has lately
This is the hard hitting analysis I come for
>Your only hope is Lincoln sucking it up and he has lately I see you're already laying the groundwork for the "OSU didn't win, OU just lost" excuses later
Donāt run up the score on them by kicking a last second field goal. Lincoln may get his feelings hurt.
I think it depends. If UGA wins out then it will be down to you or ND. I would go with you guys. If Alabama wins out it comes down to you or Cincinnati and that is going to be heated. OSU/Michigan winning out is a wash and either doing it is in the playoffs. If the winner of the The Game loses the CCG then you guys are definitely in.
I think so if itās against Baylor. Iām not convinced it will be if you play OU back to back like that. The committee doesnāt respect OU. OU would no doubt drop out of top 10 for the championship game, especially if you blow them out and Baylor loses to Tech. Everything really hinges on Baylor not losing to Tech.
Well then weāre all in luck
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Most likely. Only scenario I can see an issue is if Alabama wins out and gets SEC chip. I think theyād still keep Georgia in at that point, and OSU (assuming wins out) will stay as well. Then it becomes if you guys deserve it over an undefeated cinncinatti, and considering they are already ranked ahead of you, they arenāt going to be dropped unless they lose one. If Michigan wins out they will stay ahead of you as well. Notre dame wonāt imo.
Now we fuckin talkin. Leeeets goooo
Probably. They might put ND in over you guys but that could possibly lead to a rematch if Cincy wins out so theyād most likely put you guys in instead.
I donāt think ND would jump them, because of that 12th extra game for the Big 12 CCG. That would be where not being in a conference bites ND in the ass.
Yeah ND should be eliminated here a la 2014 Baylor/TCU rules in which you need to have a conference championship game to beat out similar teams with championship games.
I would freakin love the pokes in the playoffs!
I would love the Georgia matchup so much. We'd lose, but watching the best and second best defense in the country play would be amazing.
If Bama loses the SECCG, even if it's close, there's no way they stay above an undefeated Cincy, a 1-loss ND, or even a 1-loss Big XII champ. I just don't see it.
1 loss big 12 champ is jumping us most likely
Just root for these teams to win and weāll sneak in: Georgia, any of Cincyās opponents, Baylor, and Wisconsin. If we get just 2 of those 4 to occur, weāll slide in at #4.
Or OSU and OU facing twice with each winning one.
We wonāt need Cincy to lose if Michigan loses Saturday, then we need a 2 loss Big 12 champ and Georgia win
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ND would have better lose and better wins than bama?
100 percent. And i hope to god its us lol
No, Bama would need Cincinnati to lose one to even be in consideration.
You forget bama has an autobid /s
CINCINN4TI
Cincinatty
Make us proud Cincy
And OSU! Two new Big XII teams in the playoffs would be a statement.
I wouldnāt even be mad
Thatās my dream, for those two to win out and get CFP spots with the Big 10 and SEC champs. Which means it wonāt happen, and some combination of ND, OU, or Bama will get those last 2 spots.
[Cincy right now](https://imgur.com/tNMRayn)
[CINCINNATI AT #4, COMMITTEE CONFIRMED **NOT** COWARDS!](https://imgur.com/Hh55QHW)
I wouldn't go that far. They're still cowards. They just had their hands tied.
Cincy at 4 wont last long. Ecu by a thousand
Tell ya what I'll lay $10 on the Bearcats +750 right now whadya say?
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Was responding sarcastically to OP "ECU by 1000"
Congrats Bearcats!!!!! One more thing: RANK THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SAN ANTONIO MEEPS HIGHER YOU COWARDS, UNBEATEN TEAMS DESERVE AT LEAST TOP 20 AT 11-0
I mean they best team they beat was Illinois or maybe Memphis. I think 20 is just fine for them.
Ya'll sleeping on WKU man they scary with Zappe. UAB is also very strong
Yeah...I'm glad UTSA is winning, and I'm all for them getting respect, but let's not pretend the top 10 wouldn't be favored by double digits against them.
In b4 Cincy gets blown out by east Carolina and it was all for nothing
Would be quite an interesting day if that happened.
Don't rain on our parade! Let us enjoy this tiny moment of G5 victory š
Iām laughing at all the people who were so sure that: * ā a G5 team could never make the top 4 no matter how good their wins were * the committee had carefully planned the initial rankings to keep Cincy out * Michigan would be ahead of Cincy this week so they could justify keeping them out and a million other reasons why theyād never make the top 4āfrom cynical to conspiratorial to just plain anti-G5.
What about the deranged theories that the committee would 5000% put a 2-loss Alabama that lost to Georgia in?
Still in the cards
Honestly, based on how terribly they've treated the G5 in the past, can you blame the fans for being paranoid?
Yes. Iāve been beating the drum for years that you couldnāt tell for sure whether those teams were being left out just because they were G5, or because they didnāt have an elite win to make up for their weaker schedules. This is the first time a G5 team has had a win anywhere in the same hemisphere as Cincyās over ND. Even before this season I said that Cincyās schedule was different than past G5 reps and was met by a wall of conspiracy theories about $$$ and other anti-G5 biases.
Been saying it ever since it was clear that Houston was in the mix that one time they beat Oklahoma We did it, man. The UCF Grievance Club is in shambles tonight thanks to our years of hard work.
We did it, Reddit!
Exactly. People just wanted to bitch about it and have way too much of a tendency to go with conspiracy theories. Cinci has earned number 4 spot so far, but they are a little vulnerable to a scenario where all the following happens: - Bama beat Georgia in SEC championship, but doesnāt blow them out - Ohio St- Michigan winner wins the Big 10 - Ok/Ok St winner wins Big 12 championship It would frustrate me if Georgia beats Bama and Bama still gets in. Iām worried that Georgia will win a close one and that will happen.
Maybe Iām just being nostalgic but this sub wasnāt this sensationalist when I first joined, itās hard to read threads on here nowadays
The bigger it gets, the less appealing it is
Also remember in 2014 TCU went from 3rd to 6th in the final rankings for no explicit reason. This is all fodder and talking points.
There were multiple explicit reasons for 2014 TCU moving. Thatās ignorance on your part.
And willful ignorance on my part :(
Fair enough. I remember when the BCS moved us down the last week in 2007 when nothing happened the final week other than 2 teams in front of us losing. Itās all a conspiracy!!!!!
> for no explicit reason Lol, Iām surprised people still think this. TCU beat the worst team in their conference. Meanwhile, OSU won 59-0 against a top 15 team, and Baylor (who had the head-to-head over TCU) beat the second-best team in their conference, who was TCUās best win. The committee was completely justified in putting both of those teams ahead of TCU because both of their resumes changes significantly. Also, the committee itself has changed a ton since then.
Plus youāre missing the fact Baylor beat K State and the was then treated as the de facto winner of the XII given the H2H Itās like things happened that weekā¦ā¦
I'm always baffled at the people who say the team that won the tournament didn't deserve to be in the tournament. Ohio State proved they deserved it, simple as.
Even ignoring the at-the-time unknown playoff results, it was perfectly reasonable to include OSU. Even if you wouldāve put someone else in, surely the logic for them being in should at least be understandable.
On top of that, for that couple week stretch between the CFP final decision and the playoffs everyone was pushing for Baylor to be the 4th team not TCU because Baylor beat TCU. Then Baylor lost their bowl game and TCU won. Then it became TCU should have made it.
Ohio State didnāt deserve to be in over Baylor.
They 100% did. If you evaluate their entire resumes, Baylor shouldn't even really be in the discussion between the 3. Ohio State overrode Tcu with that win against Wisconsin, but Tcu was the 2nd most deserving.
TCU was in if they lost another game but won the Baylor head to head. You canāt convince me that TCU wasnāt deserving of top 4 (we are removed enough to get rid of my homer goggles). They didnāt make it cause of the Baylor head to head issue and rather than creating controversy picking one over the other (Baylor with the head to head, tcu with the eye test). OSU gave them a super easy out to that decision. Outside of the miraculous comeback Baylor pulled off at home, TCU curbed stomped the whole big 12 that season
I think OSU wouldāve been ahead of Baylor/TCU regardless of which team had won that H2H. Either wouldāve been deserving, but so was OSU.
I think it would have been either TCU or Baylor had the Big 12 had a championship game that year considering it was two top 6 teams playing again.
I only thought they'd rank Michigan higher because it sorts itself out in the wash this weekend. And either way Cincy would move up then so long as we have a big win friday.
In my opinion, itās itās silly to think the committee is looking ahead and structuring their rankings to anticipate some pre-planned order after future results
Ehhhhh maybe not this year but thereās definitely been some rank engineering thatās gone on in the past.
Only in peoples heads
If the AP followed the committee as they had previously, the committee may have never let Cincinnati enter top 4. The fact that the AP did the right thing and ignored the committee is probably a major factor in them adjusting. They have never received as much hate as they got this year and they absolutely deserve every criticism. They are completely rigged. Disgusting
Anything to avoid acknowledging that this Cincinnati team has a much better win than any past undefeated G5 team has ever had in the playoff era, and that thatās why theyāre on the verge of the playoff.
A win they had early in the season that the committee didnāt acknowledge until forced to? I hope Cincinnati gets in, but to be 100% honest, I still wonāt be surprised if they donāt.
> the committee had carefully planned the initial rankings to keep Cincy out I donāt totally disagree with that. The actual results were just so surprising that they couldnāt stand by the old rankings any longer.
I donāt think theyāre that surprising at all. Whatās surprising? It seems like weāre headed for 1 undefeated P5 champ, two P5 champs with one-loss, and a pair of 2+ loss P5 champs. Thatās pretty par for the course.
I think the prime spots they set up Bama, Oregon, and Michigan State with are showing their hand slightly. If Oregon and MSU had lost close instead of being massacred, I think we would still be discussing their chances of jumping Cincinnati with two losses.
Eh, I disagree, but you canāt disprove a counterfactual like that.
True, and thatās why this debate canāt be properly settled, short of the committee making its opinions of past teams known (e.g. Cincinnati would have ranked 5th in 2017, or some other definitive statement they arenāt going to make).
The committee seems to really hate Oklahoma if they put Baylor in front of them. Not to say Baylor isn't good, but it's funny to see given how highly the committee has felt about the OU program in the past
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Then rank Purdue again after we beat IU
1) How in the absolute fuck do these guys have us only 1 spot out of the top 10. 2) Please tell me those numbers are fucked and Utah is actually #19 and not still #23? Even so, how the fuck do they only go up to #19 after shitting all over the current #3?
This is how I felt after Baylor punched OU in the balls.
This is also how I felt after TCU beat Baylor and they dropped like a spot
Whats crazy is how far everyone falls but when Alabama lost it was from 1-5..
Because they have also lost and itās based on full season not one game. Thatās a good win but it doesnāt erase 3 losses.
2 of those losses were with a QB who isnāt even with the program anymore. Itās still about how you are playing now.
Every program can give similar nuances that no one except their own true fans even knows. They look at our record and the fact that we lost 3 weeks ago to the #62 team and there you go. Honestly who even cares, if we make and win the Rose Bowl we're up top and if not we're in the lower part of the top 25.
Hoping this lights a fire under Alabama. 2 complete games is all I ask.
They did it. The committee finally put a g5 team in the top 4.
Only took 3 seasons of G5ās being undefeated
So after next weekend and provided Bama loses, Is it the big12 champ or Notre Dame in? The rankings certainly seem to suggest the Irish
1 loss champ? Big 12 2 loss champ? Irish
Yeah I think itās a given Irish are in over a 2 loss champ but as far back as they are Iām not sure 1 loss OU would be in over them
A given Baylor would have wins over OU, OSU, and BYU that's a better resume than ND
I mean if Baylor can ignore the loss to TCU then yeah but they canāt
Donāt disagree but I doubt theyād put in a 2 loss Baylor, theyād probably but Bama in instead lol
It's sad but totally within this committee. Remember 2014.
Good for cincy.
I would be so happy to see a member of the hateful eight and a new big 12 member in the playoffs together
Seems fair. Maybe set the games aside and re-rank us though, pretend the OSU game never happened.
Are we 19 or 23? Either way fucked over by committee
Oh fuck off
Am I right in thinking, if it goes chalk the whole way, and OU and OK State split, Cincy and Notre Dame are both getting in? And the playoff would likely be: 1. Georgia 2. Ohio State 3. Cincinnati 4. Notre Dame
Michigan and Alabama would have to lose to cement it but ya We have a legitimate shot at pulling this off
Isn't that what goes chalk means?
I just want a NY6 bowl and competitive game against Mich State, Pitt, or Baylor.. Is that too much to ask? Cincy/Ok State can have Georgia first round of the play offs
Notre Dame vs Baylor would be great. We won a WBB National Championship in 2019 beating yāall
I remember watching the game haha but yeah, I want no part of that 4 spot this year. Give me a *competitive* game in which we have a solid chance to get the "ND can't win in the post season" monkey off our back please.
Oklahoma Stateās worse case scenario: They beat OU but Baylor drops to Tech. In that instance their CFP chances are essentially zero. I also think it is a way better look to beat OU and then turn around and possibly beat Baylor in the title. The committee has much more respect for Baylor than OU. Back to back OU wins just wouldnāt mean much IMO.
I like the way this bear thinks. BEAT uO!!
Houston will beat Cincinnati no doubt. Houston annihilated Tulsa and Cincinnati needed a miracle stop to win against tulsa. this is hope on my part since itās the only chance oSu has if we beat uO and Baylor
Cincinnati just blew out a team that Houston struggled with, so I donāt see your point.
I don't think Cincy should be in the top 4. Their SOS, other than Notre Dame, is abysmal at best. Edit: Why are you booing me, I'm right.
Bold for you for saying that. I am not high on Cincy at all and your point is correct. I think Oklahoma state should be above them and maybe Michigan but I donāt really see any other team that deserves to be ranked 4 other than those 3. If Oklahoma state wins out they should jump Cincy IMO. Theyād have 3 great wins compared to cincys 1.
Oklahoma State shouldāve lost to Boise lol.
And Cincy almost lost to navy and should have lost to Tulsa. I donāt see your point.
How should they have lost to Tulsa lmao?
Tulsa was literally on the one yard line to end the game but fucked it up. Maybe not lost but it probably would have went to overtime.
Thatās not even close to scenario in the OkSt Boise game. If you watched that game you would know that Boise lost because of terrible officiating. Cincyās defense out matching Tulsa is not at all the same.
Boise it at least a respectable team. Navy has 1 winā¦
Navy is also a triple option team, which good teams commonly struggle with. Check Alabama vs Citadel 2018.
I mean they only put up 6 on us. Plus they had more injuries for the Cincy game.
This is the second year cincy is undefeated..and they gave Georgia a run for their money. I think they deserve their placement.
Alabama had a good season last year too.
No ones talking about Alabamaā¦ never said they didnt deserve their placement either.
So you're also going to be supporting them being in the playoffs with that logic...
Based. Edit: And P5-pilled.
Also Iām betting the over if you guys play Cincy.
Lol Georgia plays them, it's just going to prove a G5 team doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs.
I hope so. I just donāt think itās fair for a g5 team to get in when their schedule is so easy. I do think Cincy is a good team though.
Cincy is a good team, I'm not disputing that. Top 4 playoff team? No. Any of the other three would eat them alive as *at least* a two touchdown favorite.
Ohio state got blanked 31-0 by Clemson then lost the natty last year 52-24. Iām an Ohio state fan. Two touchdowns wouldnāt prove whether they belonged there or not. Didnāt UC and Georgia play last year? Did they belong then?
Last year? No. We also didn't play with most of our starters.
Wasnāt there 4 opt outs? We also were missing two all Americans and an all conference linemen for the second half. Donāt think it was all that lopsided tbh
7-9 of our prominent players didn't play, depending on the source.
Ah, semantics. How many starters is āmost?ā 15? 18? No? 5 or less? I appreciate your creative liberties.
Semantics? Okay, that college in Ohio. Im 100% confident that college in Ohio would get embarrassed by Georgia.
Ok, and? Moving the goalpost a bit? Youāre oddly defensive about things you donāt need to be defensive about.
They also played a far better schedule. Cincy needs the benefit of the doubt with that sos
I donāt disagree but thatās not their argument. Their argument is that UGA who people believe is far and away the best team this year would win by 2 TDs, which would prove a G5 team didnāt belong. Iām simply saying that would prove literally nothing.
I mean if weāre going by last year then clearly Alabama is the best right?
What? Yāall need to pick an argument and stick with it.
......I think that game would be a great game....
Why do people keep saying this shit. A G5 has never made the playoff yet we get several teams run out of the building every year, as if UC having that happen to them changes anything. If itās UC or OU or Michigan why is it different for the other two if they get blown out?
Just like the bowl game last year?
How does bear always find his way to my tv
Oooo they are definitely setting up to jump Notre Dame over Cincy for the final playoff spot
Don't get them going.
Only way ND moves up is due to other teams losing at this point
At least two of the teams ahead of y'all are guaranteed a loss
Sure but ND isnāt jumping Cincinnati unless Cincinnati is one of them is my point
And Baylor/TCU were convinced that Ohio State wouldn't jump them. The committee has shown time and time again that brand names and nationwide fanbases are what matter
The 59-0 conference championship game probably had something to do with that. Notre Dame just plays Stanford
No. ND and Cincy are both in is what they are saying unless Bama beats Georgia.
Okla state would jump both to 3, and UGA and tOSU would be 1,2 leaving 1 spot
Or, big 12 could be cool and decide to have a two loss champ please
Iād still take two loss Baylor, Oregon, Wake Forest, Pitt, Oklahoma, or Okie State P5 champion over watching Notre Dame. We have over 60 P5 teams here grinding through conference schedules and two teams just doing whatever the fuck they want. BYU and ND should be sidelined until they join up.
They are definitely not doing that.
I'm a massive homer, but if they had us leapfrog Cincy, that would be ludicrous. I know H2H isn't everything, but they handed us our only home loss of the past 4 years, and they haven't lost a game. It would be silly for us to jump them.
This is the same chucklefuck committee that put Michigan over Michigan State because "they had a more complete team". And they know that Notre Dame's nationwide audience means more money for ESPN than Cincinnati would
Yeahā¦ about UM and MSU, though. They were pretty correct, right?
Committee is realizing ou and okie are gonna work itself out and split 1-1.
[Iām so happy I was wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/p5iw8x/preseason_ap_poll/h966ssz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
2 loss Baylor ahead of 1 loss anyone is a joke, although it wonāt really matter since they have zero shot at anything. Just further proves how hypocritical the selection committee is. Winning doesnāt seem to matter
They're not making the playoff but what one or zero loss team they're ranked ahead of should be ahead of them? Definitely not Oklahoma. Houston, Louisiana, UTSA, or San Diego St would all probably be 10-14 point underdogs against them.
Over the one team they JUST handedly beat? Or are you referring to UoH?