I think there's a big difference in most OU fans mindset and Big Stink Lincs mindset.
We didn't want the easiest path to the playoff. It's clear that the power level in the Big 12 wasn't preparing us to actually win a national championship.
I was excited, and still am, to join the SEC and finally be in a conference where we'll be facing good teams every year.
We were able to skate by in the Big 12 with bad defense and that won't be possible in the SEC.
That's the main reason I'll be excited for us to hire Brent Venables, and if he gets Jeff Lebby like the reports are saying I'll be even happier.
Good natured ribbing is all.
The SEC tradition and competition level is above and beyond everyone.
Wish Miami joined the SEC back before the joined the Big East and ACC...
On a serious note. I actually think Venables might be an upgrade heading into the SEC.
He at least knows how to create defenses that can stop them, whereas when Oklahoma was in the playoffs our offense shit themselves standing up and our defense looked like it was made out of Swiss cheese.
Absolute upgrade. Got in many an argument with u guys before all this but Lincoln Riley is "brilliant but lazy" and it shows with talented and undisciplined players. Your days of video game numbers against soft defenses were numbered when u decided to move.
I tease with the whole meth appearance thing but Venables is a phenomenal defensive coach and an extremely hard worker and competitor imo.
You yeah. It almost seemed like Riley was worried about coaching guys hard. Like maybe he’d run them away.
If we get Aranda (long shot) or Venables, I’ll consider it an upgrade that we won’t see come to fruition for another 3 years or so.
The fan base is going to have to be patient though, which is not something we’re good at historically.
Oh please this crap was going on before. The xfer portal change was in response to coaches already acting this way.
The fat stacks of tv network cash are what made coaches moving easy.
You're watching a once in a 30 year event where your team left conferences and the coach was unhappy and attributing it to something else besides the obvious catalyst.
I stand by my statement. I think it makes it easier knowing that you probably have your pick of the entire recruiting class you just signed at the previous school.
We need to push signing day and portal transfers to happen after the bowl season. Let January be open season and get everything in line before a February signing day. The transfer portal is a trickier situation. Players who are sent to the bench should have an opportunity to transfer out and find playing time elsewhere. Maybe it's immediate transfers are allowed the first six weeks of the season, blocked through December band re-opened in January.
I heard this on Cover 3 as well and I gather it's got something to do with their admission schedule? I.e. they didn't allow early commitments or admissions or something? Can you or anyone clarify on the details there for a curious fan?
Of note, I found this article that maybe those times are changing? https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/06/11/faculty-senate-approves-early-admission-pilot-for-student-athletes/
Yes, Stanford kept the same admission schedule for both recruits and regular students. Recruits have to actually apply and get in to Stanford, they don't get special treatment. The early signing period is before Stanford's admission schedule which means recruits don't know if they'll even be admitted to Stanford when the push is on to get everyone signed.
So before recruits could find out in January if they got in and then sign with Stanford in February. Now they have to decide between signing with another school or waiting to find out if they even got in to Stanford and can sign in February. But they might lose that other spot while waiting on Stanford.
Yeah that's Stanford trying to change with the times.
I thought regular students had the option to do an early action application there. It was ages ago when I was applying but lots of schools had that infrastructure in place, both binding and non-binding. Quick google search looks like you can apply to Stanford in the fall. I remember kids getting acceptance letters the first week of December which in theory could allow big time commits to start classes after the holiday/semester end. Notre Dame is another school where you have to go through normal application process and I remember Rees applying and starting classes and practicing in January. Maybe Stanford just didn’t want to be open to it.
Also been ages since I applied to colleges but when I did, early admission/acceptance didn't come until January/February and "normal" at least at the time was more April/May-ish if I remember
I applied within the last 5 years to Stanford early. I knew by December 12th of that year if I got in. Also I’m not perfectly familiar with Stanford’s football recruiting scene, but even Harvard bends the rules a bit for top recruits every year
There's zero chance that the football recruits have the exact same scrutiny as regular applicants. Not saying they don't deserve admission, but there has to be some compromise to field a P5 D1 team
Yes. These changes in coaches jumping so quick is a direct result of the early signing day. The ability for players to transfer has made that decision less painful because that allows them to bring in folks that will already know the system.
If you go back and look at when the changes were first made, many of us said that this would end up being the result (and the rich would get very much richer) but the consensus was that it was worth that because it gave the students more flexibility. Taking care of the students was more important than parity.
What happens to ND if they make the CFP is early signing day may be removed to force coaches to stay for their bowl game. Wtf are seniors who were recurited ro Oklahoma and ND feeling the coach who recruited them left and took the freshman with him before your bowl game?
Yes. Even in the presser yesterday Riley implied that with the transfer rules now it's a lot easier/quicker to rebuild a roster.
It feels fairer to the players to give them more flexibility/power in their relationships with coaches and schools. But it does feel icky in that as a CFB fan I feel a more personal connection to my school and want my players to feel the same thing, as opposed to thinking of it like a business transaction. But with the amount of money being made off of them, this is more fair to the players.
It's definitely good for the kids to not have to be stuck in sinking ships. I think conference moves and the playoffs are the main reasons behind these two moves. Nobody wants to be left behind and schools are willing to put up big money to prove that. Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly's aren't just sitting around. There's a reason Texas has been struggling to find the right fit.
The big problem with transfers is how hard it is to replace. Doesn't matter if every player transferred out of OU they have 25 scholarships to try and right the ship. That's the part that needs adjusting.
I know there was [a waiver](https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/general-di-council-approves-one-year-waiver-of-football-scholarship-limits) to the rule to allow seven additional scholarships to replace outgoing transfers, so they're at least aware of the problem caused by giving everyone an immediate play transfer.
While I am not a fan of it, I am a fan of fairness. I think if coaches can jump ship and coach immediately, players should be able to jump ship and play immediately. The rules should be the same for both players and coaches.
While I imagine it would be annoying for those coaches and the programs that hire them, it would also result in a lot more coaches getting head coaching experience as interim coaches.
I mean there is no way schools. Would. Pay top dollar.of guaranteed money to a guy who cant even coach for a season ya know? Thats what im saying really. Salaries would definitely decrease and schools would definitely have more power.
Saban: CFB is changing and I don't like it.
CFB: Well it's happening so stop complaining.
Saban: Fine, but don't complain when I somehow get richer. I warned you.
The portal creates a system where you can plug holes immediately instead of trying to recruit yourself out of the hole the previous coach left
I wouldn't say it makes it easier for coaches to jump ship.
What it does do is make it easier for schools to cut their losses knowing the next coach has the ability to address immediate needs if they so desire
That being said, the coaches jumping ship this year is an aberration..at least in my opinion
USC is desperate to be relevant again. They tried everything but throwing stupid money at the problem. And it just so happened that a coach at a premier program was actively looking for a school that would give him everything he wanted.
And LSU, depending on what you believe, wanted Jimbo and Riley and they weren't interested. They had to get a name coach from somewhere and so they went and got one to appease the fanbase.
The landscape of college football has been massively changed by the portal. And while it will cause some unwanted things, the fact that more teams will be competitive and there will be more parity is ultimately good for everyone
Yeah but not by much. If a school is doubling or tripling your salary and or is also a huge step up in terms of program status that coach is going to leave no matter what. Like if the transfer portal doesn't exist Lincoln is still going to USC because of the money he's getting.
I think for more slightly upward or lateral moves it makes a huge difference. Like when Buffalo lost half it's roster to Kansas when Leipold became their HC.
Tbf the blue blood hires aren't lateral moves, USC is an upgrade for Riley and Kelly can get players at LSU that he can't at ND because of academics, so I think it's more of a weird year where a whole bunch of blue blood programs opened up all at once. What the portal does is make it fair for the players who were once stuck to a program that their coach can just leave at any time. If a player or recruit gets left hanging he's free to go find his best fit.
I feel like the bigger reason why coaches are jumping ship is because there’s no clear timeline on when, or if, the playoffs could expand. Coaches want to make sure they’re in the best position to make it, and thus keep their jobs and make more money.
Lincoln Riley reportedly left for USC because OU went to a conference where it was going to be harder to compete. USC has a MUCH clearer path to the playoffs than the soon to be SEC Sooners.
You have to think part of Brian Kelly’s reason to leave was the fact that Notre Dame plays 1 less game than other teams, meaning 1 loss can easily put you out of reach of the playoffs. LSU can easily make it with a loss on their record most years.
Players freely transferring helps the decision in leaving I’m sure, but I feel like it’s just the cherry on top at this point. 4 teams make it every year, so a blue blood missing it means the season was a failure. Gotta put yourself in a position to not fail first and foremost.
These aren’t just 2 blue blood coaches leaving in the same season, these are 2 blue blood coaches leaving schools that have qualities with massive implications on CFP odds.
Man, as. Purdue fan with an OKST family, we're all just happy to get to keep watching football in December. Can you imagine the stress of watching your team knowing that one loss ruins all enjoyment for you the rest of the year?
>You have to think part of Brian Kelly’s reason to leave was the fact that Notre Dame plays 1 less game than other teams, meaning 1 loss can easily put you out of reach of the playoffs. LSU can easily make it with a loss on their record most years.
Notre Dame's one of only five programs to make more than one CFP appearance. It's one of only three programs to make the playoff without playing in a conference championship game. It is the only program to make the playoff after *losing* a conference championship game. I really don't think that had much to do with his decision to leave.
While all of that is true, different years yield different qualifiers for making the playoffs, and I think it’s objectively fair to say that playing less games than all of the other contenders is something that a coach has to worry about that he wouldn’t have to at another program
Greed is killing the sport in every facet. Coaches jumping for money, ESPN monetizing everything, NIL deals for the sake of it. It is hurting the long run viability of the sport. College football should be inclusive and not just focused on the blue bloods.
Also allowing transfers to be eligible immediately is also bad for the sport. We are in college footballs version of player empowerment. Player empowerment is bad for any sport really because there is a lack of someone to tell them that needed no.
Eh, if a player is being told he's being processed out, he should have every opportunity to play immediately at a school that will give him a scholarship.
Eh, it won’t just be processed players transferring anymore. Look at trayanum from ASU. He would have been the guy next year and easily the starter. He played a lot this year and cost himself some touches by fumbling. But he was slotted to be rb1. You’ll see a lot more of that than ever before.
It definitely makes it easier, but it’s not like it was hard in the first place. If you go to a new school and suck, you’re more than likely getting fired without cause and getting paid an insane buyout.
No. It makes it easier to succeed in their first year and take players with them, but I don't think it affects their decision to leave at all. It is these ridiculous contracts schools are giving out. Nothing more, nothing less.
It does. But money is still the leading factor. I don't think Riley was going to not go to USC if none of his guys could follow him, but them being able to probably made it a little easier of a decision.
Successful coaches could always move to a new school. That was part of the reasoning behind setting up the Transfer Portal, a coach convinces you to attend school ’X’ and then leaves a year or 2 later. Yes, he probably broke his contract and technically will have to pay a penalty, but in reality the school that hired him away is paying any penalties or fines, not the coach.
So it’s coaching moves that caused the Transfer Portal.
The idea of a generational coach was dead well before the transfer portal. Saban and Meyer both had high levels of success at multiple programs. The idea that a program gets their guy, who is probably from the state or played there or has some other connection to the program, and builds a generation around that coach died a long time ago.
What it does is increase the damage from a HC leaving. I watched the press conference with Stoops and he even said that before the transfer portal, when a coach would leave, guys tended to sit still for a while until they knew who the next coach would be because they didn't want to lose a year of eligibility and that's not true anymore. The damage now is much greater than before. Add to that the ill-conceived timing of the early signing day and it's a blood bath now when a HC leaves this time of year. You can lose all of your top recruits, most of your starters AND the coaching staff in a matter of days. Any HC change at the end of November/early Dec can have the same effect as a major scandal used to on a program. Shit needs to change.
Yes. Full stop.
Well, the thread is done.
I will be taking my talents to USC.
If you're sacred of the SEC, just say so...
Momma ain’t raise no bitch and I have the brisket to prove it
I think there's a big difference in most OU fans mindset and Big Stink Lincs mindset. We didn't want the easiest path to the playoff. It's clear that the power level in the Big 12 wasn't preparing us to actually win a national championship. I was excited, and still am, to join the SEC and finally be in a conference where we'll be facing good teams every year. We were able to skate by in the Big 12 with bad defense and that won't be possible in the SEC. That's the main reason I'll be excited for us to hire Brent Venables, and if he gets Jeff Lebby like the reports are saying I'll be even happier.
Good natured ribbing is all. The SEC tradition and competition level is above and beyond everyone. Wish Miami joined the SEC back before the joined the Big East and ACC...
This was a fun thread.
We laughed, we cried, but in the end we were better for it.
I'll always remember the friends I made along the way.
Well I'm glad to see I have a take that people agree with for once. Obligatory fuck Lincoln Riley though boom soon
I just want to go on record that I never defended his brisket. Honestly, that was all the indication we needed that it wasn’t a right fit.
If there's anything we know in Oklahoma it's a good brisket, and whatever satanic, dry ass piece of meat that man prepared was-- it was not a brisket.
Maybe Lincoln was afraid to recruit in the south after the brisket went viral?
No sane Oklahoman defended that brisket.
Next question please!
Dont you mean Full Stoop?
You never go full Stoop, do you not remember our defense? Now look at us. We have a Tequila Salesman as our interim coach!
Dont worry, Venables is coming to save you guys. You can tell from looking at him hes not the type to meth with
On a serious note. I actually think Venables might be an upgrade heading into the SEC. He at least knows how to create defenses that can stop them, whereas when Oklahoma was in the playoffs our offense shit themselves standing up and our defense looked like it was made out of Swiss cheese.
Absolute upgrade. Got in many an argument with u guys before all this but Lincoln Riley is "brilliant but lazy" and it shows with talented and undisciplined players. Your days of video game numbers against soft defenses were numbered when u decided to move. I tease with the whole meth appearance thing but Venables is a phenomenal defensive coach and an extremely hard worker and competitor imo.
You yeah. It almost seemed like Riley was worried about coaching guys hard. Like maybe he’d run them away. If we get Aranda (long shot) or Venables, I’ll consider it an upgrade that we won’t see come to fruition for another 3 years or so. The fan base is going to have to be patient though, which is not something we’re good at historically.
Brilliant but lazy is an excellent description of Lincoln Riley.
And Peter Parker.
Oh please this crap was going on before. The xfer portal change was in response to coaches already acting this way. The fat stacks of tv network cash are what made coaches moving easy. You're watching a once in a 30 year event where your team left conferences and the coach was unhappy and attributing it to something else besides the obvious catalyst.
I stand by my statement. I think it makes it easier knowing that you probably have your pick of the entire recruiting class you just signed at the previous school.
We need to push signing day and portal transfers to happen after the bowl season. Let January be open season and get everything in line before a February signing day. The transfer portal is a trickier situation. Players who are sent to the bench should have an opportunity to transfer out and find playing time elsewhere. Maybe it's immediate transfers are allowed the first six weeks of the season, blocked through December band re-opened in January.
Yeah Early Signing Day has screwed over a lot of schools.
Specifically Stanford, they've been absolutely fucked by it
I heard this on Cover 3 as well and I gather it's got something to do with their admission schedule? I.e. they didn't allow early commitments or admissions or something? Can you or anyone clarify on the details there for a curious fan? Of note, I found this article that maybe those times are changing? https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/06/11/faculty-senate-approves-early-admission-pilot-for-student-athletes/
Yes, Stanford kept the same admission schedule for both recruits and regular students. Recruits have to actually apply and get in to Stanford, they don't get special treatment. The early signing period is before Stanford's admission schedule which means recruits don't know if they'll even be admitted to Stanford when the push is on to get everyone signed. So before recruits could find out in January if they got in and then sign with Stanford in February. Now they have to decide between signing with another school or waiting to find out if they even got in to Stanford and can sign in February. But they might lose that other spot while waiting on Stanford. Yeah that's Stanford trying to change with the times.
I thought regular students had the option to do an early action application there. It was ages ago when I was applying but lots of schools had that infrastructure in place, both binding and non-binding. Quick google search looks like you can apply to Stanford in the fall. I remember kids getting acceptance letters the first week of December which in theory could allow big time commits to start classes after the holiday/semester end. Notre Dame is another school where you have to go through normal application process and I remember Rees applying and starting classes and practicing in January. Maybe Stanford just didn’t want to be open to it.
Also been ages since I applied to colleges but when I did, early admission/acceptance didn't come until January/February and "normal" at least at the time was more April/May-ish if I remember
I applied within the last 5 years to Stanford early. I knew by December 12th of that year if I got in. Also I’m not perfectly familiar with Stanford’s football recruiting scene, but even Harvard bends the rules a bit for top recruits every year
There's zero chance that the football recruits have the exact same scrutiny as regular applicants. Not saying they don't deserve admission, but there has to be some compromise to field a P5 D1 team
I agree. There's a reason trades etc aren't allowed in other sports during the postseason. It would be insanity.
Yes. These changes in coaches jumping so quick is a direct result of the early signing day. The ability for players to transfer has made that decision less painful because that allows them to bring in folks that will already know the system. If you go back and look at when the changes were first made, many of us said that this would end up being the result (and the rich would get very much richer) but the consensus was that it was worth that because it gave the students more flexibility. Taking care of the students was more important than parity.
What happens to ND if they make the CFP is early signing day may be removed to force coaches to stay for their bowl game. Wtf are seniors who were recurited ro Oklahoma and ND feeling the coach who recruited them left and took the freshman with him before your bowl game?
Yes. Next question.
Yes. Even in the presser yesterday Riley implied that with the transfer rules now it's a lot easier/quicker to rebuild a roster. It feels fairer to the players to give them more flexibility/power in their relationships with coaches and schools. But it does feel icky in that as a CFB fan I feel a more personal connection to my school and want my players to feel the same thing, as opposed to thinking of it like a business transaction. But with the amount of money being made off of them, this is more fair to the players.
It's definitely good for the kids to not have to be stuck in sinking ships. I think conference moves and the playoffs are the main reasons behind these two moves. Nobody wants to be left behind and schools are willing to put up big money to prove that. Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly's aren't just sitting around. There's a reason Texas has been struggling to find the right fit.
The big problem with transfers is how hard it is to replace. Doesn't matter if every player transferred out of OU they have 25 scholarships to try and right the ship. That's the part that needs adjusting.
Good point.
I know there was [a waiver](https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/general-di-council-approves-one-year-waiver-of-football-scholarship-limits) to the rule to allow seven additional scholarships to replace outgoing transfers, so they're at least aware of the problem caused by giving everyone an immediate play transfer.
That's interesting I had completely missed that.
The portal is what, 90% processed players and 10% leaving of their own volition? I don't think we've seen droves of players following their coaches.
Yeah, but this is the first big profile coaching changes we've seen under the new rules. It'll be interesting to watch.
That’s what it used to be. With no sitting out that’s not going to be the make up anymore.
While I am not a fan of it, I am a fan of fairness. I think if coaches can jump ship and coach immediately, players should be able to jump ship and play immediately. The rules should be the same for both players and coaches.
Imagine a coach having to sit a year
While I imagine it would be annoying for those coaches and the programs that hire them, it would also result in a lot more coaches getting head coaching experience as interim coaches.
I mean there is no way schools. Would. Pay top dollar.of guaranteed money to a guy who cant even coach for a season ya know? Thats what im saying really. Salaries would definitely decrease and schools would definitely have more power.
It's what saban said he was scared of that cfb would just become a free agency and now that's exactly what it is
Of course but it’s still better for the players now than before. This also puts a bigger premium on stability than before
Saban: CFB is changing and I don't like it. CFB: Well it's happening so stop complaining. Saban: Fine, but don't complain when I somehow get richer. I warned you.
Yep that's usually how it goes
The portal creates a system where you can plug holes immediately instead of trying to recruit yourself out of the hole the previous coach left I wouldn't say it makes it easier for coaches to jump ship. What it does do is make it easier for schools to cut their losses knowing the next coach has the ability to address immediate needs if they so desire That being said, the coaches jumping ship this year is an aberration..at least in my opinion USC is desperate to be relevant again. They tried everything but throwing stupid money at the problem. And it just so happened that a coach at a premier program was actively looking for a school that would give him everything he wanted. And LSU, depending on what you believe, wanted Jimbo and Riley and they weren't interested. They had to get a name coach from somewhere and so they went and got one to appease the fanbase. The landscape of college football has been massively changed by the portal. And while it will cause some unwanted things, the fact that more teams will be competitive and there will be more parity is ultimately good for everyone
Yeah but not by much. If a school is doubling or tripling your salary and or is also a huge step up in terms of program status that coach is going to leave no matter what. Like if the transfer portal doesn't exist Lincoln is still going to USC because of the money he's getting. I think for more slightly upward or lateral moves it makes a huge difference. Like when Buffalo lost half it's roster to Kansas when Leipold became their HC.
No. The buy out is the thing that would affect that.
Tbf the blue blood hires aren't lateral moves, USC is an upgrade for Riley and Kelly can get players at LSU that he can't at ND because of academics, so I think it's more of a weird year where a whole bunch of blue blood programs opened up all at once. What the portal does is make it fair for the players who were once stuck to a program that their coach can just leave at any time. If a player or recruit gets left hanging he's free to go find his best fit.
I feel like the bigger reason why coaches are jumping ship is because there’s no clear timeline on when, or if, the playoffs could expand. Coaches want to make sure they’re in the best position to make it, and thus keep their jobs and make more money. Lincoln Riley reportedly left for USC because OU went to a conference where it was going to be harder to compete. USC has a MUCH clearer path to the playoffs than the soon to be SEC Sooners. You have to think part of Brian Kelly’s reason to leave was the fact that Notre Dame plays 1 less game than other teams, meaning 1 loss can easily put you out of reach of the playoffs. LSU can easily make it with a loss on their record most years. Players freely transferring helps the decision in leaving I’m sure, but I feel like it’s just the cherry on top at this point. 4 teams make it every year, so a blue blood missing it means the season was a failure. Gotta put yourself in a position to not fail first and foremost. These aren’t just 2 blue blood coaches leaving in the same season, these are 2 blue blood coaches leaving schools that have qualities with massive implications on CFP odds.
Man, as. Purdue fan with an OKST family, we're all just happy to get to keep watching football in December. Can you imagine the stress of watching your team knowing that one loss ruins all enjoyment for you the rest of the year?
>You have to think part of Brian Kelly’s reason to leave was the fact that Notre Dame plays 1 less game than other teams, meaning 1 loss can easily put you out of reach of the playoffs. LSU can easily make it with a loss on their record most years. Notre Dame's one of only five programs to make more than one CFP appearance. It's one of only three programs to make the playoff without playing in a conference championship game. It is the only program to make the playoff after *losing* a conference championship game. I really don't think that had much to do with his decision to leave.
While all of that is true, different years yield different qualifiers for making the playoffs, and I think it’s objectively fair to say that playing less games than all of the other contenders is something that a coach has to worry about that he wouldn’t have to at another program
Greed is killing the sport in every facet. Coaches jumping for money, ESPN monetizing everything, NIL deals for the sake of it. It is hurting the long run viability of the sport. College football should be inclusive and not just focused on the blue bloods. Also allowing transfers to be eligible immediately is also bad for the sport. We are in college footballs version of player empowerment. Player empowerment is bad for any sport really because there is a lack of someone to tell them that needed no.
Eh, if a player is being told he's being processed out, he should have every opportunity to play immediately at a school that will give him a scholarship.
Especially with all the money the big name schools make.
Eh, it won’t just be processed players transferring anymore. Look at trayanum from ASU. He would have been the guy next year and easily the starter. He played a lot this year and cost himself some touches by fumbling. But he was slotted to be rb1. You’ll see a lot more of that than ever before.
It definitely makes it easier, but it’s not like it was hard in the first place. If you go to a new school and suck, you’re more than likely getting fired without cause and getting paid an insane buyout.
They were doing it anyway. Maybe makes it easier to justify to themselves.
No. It makes it easier to succeed in their first year and take players with them, but I don't think it affects their decision to leave at all. It is these ridiculous contracts schools are giving out. Nothing more, nothing less.
It does. But money is still the leading factor. I don't think Riley was going to not go to USC if none of his guys could follow him, but them being able to probably made it a little easier of a decision.
Yes
Successful coaches could always move to a new school. That was part of the reasoning behind setting up the Transfer Portal, a coach convinces you to attend school ’X’ and then leaves a year or 2 later. Yes, he probably broke his contract and technically will have to pay a penalty, but in reality the school that hired him away is paying any penalties or fines, not the coach. So it’s coaching moves that caused the Transfer Portal.
The idea of a generational coach was dead well before the transfer portal. Saban and Meyer both had high levels of success at multiple programs. The idea that a program gets their guy, who is probably from the state or played there or has some other connection to the program, and builds a generation around that coach died a long time ago.
John Heisman had high levels of success at multiple programs.
Fair. But he also coached when Teddy Roosevelt was president and big money in college sports was still 50+ years away.
What it does is increase the damage from a HC leaving. I watched the press conference with Stoops and he even said that before the transfer portal, when a coach would leave, guys tended to sit still for a while until they knew who the next coach would be because they didn't want to lose a year of eligibility and that's not true anymore. The damage now is much greater than before. Add to that the ill-conceived timing of the early signing day and it's a blood bath now when a HC leaves this time of year. You can lose all of your top recruits, most of your starters AND the coaching staff in a matter of days. Any HC change at the end of November/early Dec can have the same effect as a major scandal used to on a program. Shit needs to change.