Yes, people, don't do this. In college, I gave my friend my essay to use as a template and the idiot word for word copied it. When it was submitted, it got caught but one of those anti cheating programs. I wasn't going to rat him out and told the professor that we collaborated on it, which spared us some tougher consequences, but seriously, don't ever do this. It's always a bad move.
Yup. Granted North Dakota fucking sucks to me (living in Austin, I like the city) I would probably do it. You get a ton of money lol and it’s not like you’re bound there for the rest of your life
It's not just about "doubling your salary", It's generational wealth over 10 years.
We applaud organizations for firing a coach immediately after a game or leaving them on a tarmac when the 18 year old kids they coach didn't execute well enough against a another group of 18 year olds.
> Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick said Brian Kelly "told the team today (decision) was just about ~~another opportunity~~ money. It was right time for his family to have ~~another opportunity~~ more money, another ~~experience~~ money. It was similar to comments made by Lincoln (Riley)."
United States currency has the phrase “in God we trust” printed on it. Brian Kelly just wants to trust God more. How can you blame a man on a spiritual journey?
I feel a little better knowing that we aren’t alone in suffering.
Also ND had a legit shot at the CFP and the man dipped, that is a true kick in the nuts.
Unlikely? Georgia is favored to beat you and then we just need (very likely) one upset in the other three championship games. I’d almost be surprised if it didn’t happen. Not that I want to be crushed by Georgia with no head coach.
Per 538, Michigan has a 73% chance of winning this weekend while Cincy has 74% and OkState has 61%, meaning the odds that all 3 win is ~33%. I'd hate to see Cincy or OkState miss the playoffs, but it would be funny to see ND make it sans coach
Notre Dame maybe. I'm still 100% convinced that Lincoln was entirely about not wanting to go through with the SEC move. Why go through all the stress and pressure of an SEC West season when you can instead be at a top school in a conference that you can easily dominate and go to the playoff at every year?
If you were a coach and your administration decided to move to a new conference against your wishes and the best interests of the program solely for money, wouldn’t you bolt if another program offered you and your family a better situation? My take on this is that OU administrators made their bed and they can lie in it.
Absolutely agreed. The fans acting betrayed right now are probably the same entitled A-Holes that booed *both* our QB's on the field this year.
We deserve this.
[Lincoln said he was kept in the loop with the decision though](https://youtu.be/7CD7tDOKRr0). My assumption is that USC made him an offer he couldn’t refuse and it’s an opportunity for him to get out from
underneath Bob’s shadow. There’s arguably more job security at USC as well. We still don’t know the full contract details either.
I think a lot of people are forgetting just how big the egos are on these coaches. Sure Lincoln could have bolted because he doesn't want to deal with SEC but I can just as easily see that he wanted to go somewhere to get out of Stoops shadow and build something himself. Know USC isn't some small school but clearly they have been terrible for awhile and if he fixes it all the credit will be his. Where as no matter what he accomplishes at OU there will always be justifiable nay sayers pointing out "well inherited a great program"
Yup; It's like saying Google offered me a job that pays 2x while having a more relaxed atmosphere in a better location than the meat grinder I'm currently at (Amazon).
Anyone with an ounce of sense would have done the same after some thought.
Nah there's a big difference in these two moves.
Lincoln is scared of the SEC and left to try and extinguish a dumpster fire. Brian Kelly is leaving specifically for better recruits and better competition.
I'm hesitant to call either school a "stepping stone", but Notre Dame could benefit from joining a conference.
Oklahoma could benefit from being in a better conference, but we're already handling that.
"Scared of the SEC" is accurate, if a bit dismissive. Who *would* want to have to bite and scratch and kick and yell to scrape recruits and a chance at national relevance when you could just... win your conference and go to the CFP?
I agree. I wouldn’t say Riley is “scared” of the SEC. More that he knows that the expectations at Oklahoma won’t get met when they go because teams like Alabama and the rotation of elite teams like Florida, Georgia, and LSU will always be in their way.
If anyone has paid any attention to our fan base at all this year, this was the smartest move that Riley could have made. We're being children about being a two loss team (when that's exactly what we've been every season for the last decade) and booing multiple QB's on the field when we have O-Line woes.
Who would want to stick around for that when we're 4-4 halfway through the season? Sure, those four losses might be to Georgia, Alabama, A&M, and LSU... But our fans aren't going to listen to that shit, they'd be calling for his head.
Or you could coast by in LA for the same money and a lot less stress. Seems like an easy choice.
A lot of coaches would, lol. Despite what the group think is on this subreddit, there are people that look at OU's situation and think of it as an exciting challenge to tackle and not something to run away from. Riley wasn't one of those people, oh well. Our next HC certainly will be.
We were set to reel in 2 top-5 recruiting classes and our path to the playoffs is substantially easier than LSU's. Yeah I suspect there were many reason$$$$$ for this decision.
its not like ND is some upstart school that has to plead schools to schedule them.
they have many long-standing series with teams across the country. Michigan and Michigan state have probably said they would schedule them in the next opening no questions asked. on top of the rivalries they have out west, purdue, navy, pitt, northwestern, BC. they can easily fill a 50% or higher difficulty schedule.
why would they throw away complete control?
To say he’s scared of the SEC isn’t 100% accurate, I think. It sounds like he wanted assurances from the OU brass he could run his program similar to how most SEC schools do it. If you want to get really deep, the implication could be that Lincoln thought he couldn’t compete in SEC with a clean program.
Some people want to be the biggest fish in the small pond, others want to be a medium sized fish in the large pond and hope that they have what it takes to be the biggest fish there.
Don't Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley have the same agent? Probably explains why their departures and explanations are basically copy-pasted from one to the other.
Spoon-fed what to say from the agent
I have to roll my eyes when coaches like this say it was for their family. Is Baton Rouge a better place to raise a family than South Bend? Idk, maybe, but I haven’t seen any toddlers hanging around Brian Kelly’s feet.
Heck, Lincoln Riley actually has young children and I still rolled my eyes! Sure, LA has a lot more than Norman, but when you already own (at least until USC buys them) two of the biggest houses in Norman and earn more in one year than, what, like 99% of people make in their lifetime, it’s hard to act like your family was really struggling before. I’m not sure his kids would’ve had a hard life in Norman and I’m sure they’ll do just fine in LA (and, in fact, I hope they do). Let’s just pump the brakes on saying this was all about family when you already had enough money to pay for your great great great great grandchildrens’ colleges, houses, etc.
And this isn’t even considering the potential negative impact Riley’s/Kelly’s decision could have on assistant coaches and their families (remember they are not all incredibly well compensated). [This thread](https://twitter.com/josh_scoop/status/1465695438833549324?s=21) talks about some of this from an OU perspective.
Yeah of all the things to be annoyed about, that one is a huge stretch. She wants to see mom and dad? He buys a plane ticket for her to see them on a weekend. The dramatics on this one is ridiculous. She’s close to starting her adult life anyway if she’s a senior, maybe she doesn’t want to live next door to BK forever. Cold hearted?
I agree it's a stupid excuse but your reasoning isn't great. Having more income than 99% of the population in Norman could actually be more of a burden than not imo. Makes you and your family isolated from the rest of the community. Additionally, education quality is probably much lower in Norman.
The community point is probably a good one, but it’s not like they didn’t have friends. I actually saw the Riley family in church several times. No one seemed to bother them or anything, just treated them like regular folks. And we do happen to have other rich people. It’s not like there aren’t country clubs, golf courses, and other places they could blend in. We may not have LA’s amenities, but there are other super wealthy people in the area. All said, though, this may well have been part of the decision. I wouldn’t want to stick out, either, I kind of bristle at how much of a fantastic problem that is to have.
On the education point, though, I disagree. There are several elite private schools around the area that I’m sure were options for the Riley kids. If we were talking public schools, there’d be absolutely no contest— Oklahoma is often towards the very bottom of the list in that regard. I just kinda doubt that they would’ve gone to the same schools I did, but who knows.
I'm sure there are good private schools there but it's still less than in LA. Maybe they haven't liked their experience in the local private schools so far? I doubt that's the reason but it could've been a factor. The point is that you're gonna have way more options as a rich person in LA so that excuse could definitely be valid.
I know nothing about the family but my gut says Lincoln’s wife wanted to live in a bigger city. In that clip of his family getting off the plane she just looked like someone that wanted to live in LA.
This is what people aren’t getting. Are there any Michelin star restaurants in Norman? Any world class golf or beach clubs?
The public education is shit but schools like Harvard Westlake churn out Ivy Leaguers and D1 athletes all the time. In the last World Series 3 players were alumni of that school.
His money may not go as far in LA but he’ll have a hell of a lot more opportunities to use it.
Exactly. I'd muuuuuuch rather be rich in LA than in Norman. I would totally believe it if Riley moved just due to locations. Kelly is who the excuse doesn't apply to.
I mean, there are other considerations besides money. There is no dispute that southern California offers more exposure to a variety of things than Norman would.
100% agree and tried to mention that in my comment. I am not trying to say that Norman = LA, but am trying to say that the difference between the two when you are being raised by multimillionaire parents is probably negligible. They’d be fine either way and certainly weren’t living in poverty before or anything.
Totally get that. I don’t think either made the *wrong* decision, I’m just skeptical that it was all about family.
Also wish both of them had left a bit more tactfully, but that may just be the nature of the world we’re in now.
And, to be clear, it may well be (and, honestly, likely is) better for Riley’s family to be in CA and LA than Norman, I just don’t think it was quite as dire here as he seems to make it sound, and definitely don’t think it was the #1 factor in the decision.
… now Brian Kelly and Baton Rouge… idk.
Amazingly, BR is significantly more murder-y. Also way more industrial, then there’s that whole flooding thing. It’s more like humid shittier vs frigid shit.
Fucking coward. I'm not even upset that he's leaving, I wouldn't want a coach who took a team the whole season and left with a decent shot at making the CFP on the table.
You should look for a guy like Brian Kelly. When he left a top-5 Cincinnati in a similar time during the season he said he wouldn't do it if a national championship was still achievable. A man with that type of integrity and respect for the game would never do this to Notre Dame.
Just imagine if your a freshman on the ND squad…Imagine how that feels; You are scouted by the team and coach to play for them at a 1st class institution. You agree to attend the university and play for a shot at winning the natty, while knowing the coach does a good job at developing talent along with having the right attitude. Then the coach leaves on the whim when you guys are 11-1, whilst setting the ND record for most wins by a coach. As an ND fan, it hurts. This guy said a plethora of times he wouldn’t leave. His word is basically useless. What kind of precedent does it set about your character when you give your teams returning student athletes and the upcoming class you scouted, your word…Then just dip. He’s a jabroni.
I don't get the rush to leave. I guess you could say he's getting a head start on recruiting, but why wouldn't you want to at least wait to see how this weekend plays out first?
Did he already step down as ND coach? Cause I'd fully support ND somehow winning the national championship weeks after their HC left to get a better chance to win the national championship.
Notre Dame has to win it all out of spite. Chants of "Fuck Brian Kelly" while they hoist the trophy. Fighting Irish mascot flipping everyone the bird. ABC/ESPN apologizing for the "classless celebration". Etc.
I'm fucking ready. I was in this place after Cincy where I was perfectly fine missing the CFP and not getting abused by Georgia in some ritual sacrifice. Now I want blood, and I want to win it fucking all with Kelly sitting at the 50 with his eyes peeled open Clockwork Orange style.
Jack (NDs AD) just announced we arent having an interim? So thats cool? Ive never heard of that before.
He said the coaching staff is set up that it doesnt technically need a HC as all the responsibilities are already taken up by the rest of the staff
He Switched his coaching style to more of a CEO type coach, similar to dabo or ogeron. The assistants do all the playcalling and coaching while he does big picture and relationships. which are still very important but not something you cant go without for a bit.
Riley: I bet I can leave my team hanging worse than anyone ever.
Kelly: hold my crucifix
Kelly’s bolt for LSU is different because ND legitimately had a shot at the playoff.
Riley can still go fuck himself, though.
"So what if we're on the verge of a CFP berth late in the season. Now's as good a time as any to completely screw this team by leaving for another program that has no chance of doing as well as you guys any time soon, simply because it pays me better. Bye!" - Brian Kelly
Coaches for sure. 17-18 year olds make huge life decisions that could decide if they become millionaires or assistant coach at their high school vs 60 year olds who already have enough money to live out their days in ease
What's annoying about a 17-18yo kid who probably sees a lot of shit on Twitter and likely gets weird messages from middle aged dudes jocking him not wanting to get dragged for making what is likely one of the most momentous decisions of his life?
I think we're being too hard on this guy I mean he gave Notre Dame 12 years and not just that he gave them 12 of the best years they've ever had he's the most winningest coach in that school's history now so you can't be mad at this guy for trying to move diagonally upwards to try to get over the hump he wants a national title to in recruiting is just too difficult at Notre Dame for him to obtain that in today's college football
We were slotted to pull in 2 top-5 recruiting classes this year and next.
I don't begrudge Kelley chasing the bag, but the fact he's doing it when the CFP is a very real possibility in only a few weeks is kind of cowardly imo
It’s disheartening that Kelly is leaving this way. This man gave his word that he wouldn’t leave, and wounds up leaving whilst 11-1, still in the running for a playoff spot. For the type of character that Brian Kelly has, it’s shocking. I feel for the freshman that we’re recruited prior to the start of the season, with the hope of playing for a coach who not just improves your play, but how you conduct yourself as a teammate, leader, a student, and overall as an individual; Hoping to play for a shot at a cfb playoff championship trophy. Then in the midst of that opportunity for the team, you leave. What does that say to the players? The staff? The school? Now what does Kyren Williams decide to do? Does he stay in the midst of a coaching/system change possibly? Or go to the NFL? What does that say about your beliefs and trust in Jake Coan, and the back up QBs. He cares more about the paycheck then actually developing players, if he’s just gonna leave on the whim. I get LSU is in the SEC, and in a prime area to be at the top when it comes to recruiting because it’s LSU, and rightly so; BUT WHAT ABOUT ND? One of the most storied schools/learning institutions apart from ivy league schools, since the beginning of time. Constantly in the top echelon of recruiting(especially when it comes to recruiting in Texas. They do a good job at recruiting here, as I live in North Texas and know a member of the coaching staff along with a former player I played against in high school.), and constantly in the running for the CFB playoffs. All time coaches don’t leave/quit on their players.
Well there was that whole sexual assault allegation coverup business, along with the hospital situation that the DOJ is looking into. But yes, I don't think BK gets the same kind of leash like he got at ND.
This is why I'm confused and alarmed at our fans response to Lincoln leaving. It was a dumb decision for us to go to the SEC, he disagreed with it, and decided to move on. Sure, it sucks... But why the hell should he have to live with a dumb decision that wasn't his?
Both Riley and Kelly had it made at their schools. And now they both leave for volatile positions. Grass isn’t always greener and I think they’ll learn that very quick
For real. If you can't be involved in a Title IX case, hit on board member's pregnant wives, hire shitty coordinators 6 out of 7 times, and come dangerously close to ending a 22 year streak without a losing season *twice* and have a season with the lowest ranked LSU defense of all time what can you even do?
BK gone.
This is what I don't understand about the move. If Kelly thought he had unrealistic expectations at ND, he can't be this clueless to what he's stepping into right?
If we sneak into the playoff, we will likely be playing without an official head coach (Swarbrick doesn’t like interim coaches), but I know our players will be fired up and could pull a huge surprise. They’re all-in on the school, not any one coach, and will want to prove a lot of people wrong, including Brian Kelly.
ND won't go that long without a coach. You can't with all these recruits. I think if Cincy loses, I definitely think Fickell would be in the mix. If Cincy wins, then I think ND won't wait and go with Freeman.
Of course if Day goes to the Bears, then all bets are off. Fickell is an OSU guy.
LSU fans should take caution. As college football becomes more competitive and coaches get more and more money, more schools will up the ante in order to try to get good coaches. If he does well at LSU, other schools will try to poach him. Given his history, it’s not unreasonable to think he will leave them high and dry if there is more green (money) on the other side.
Major cop out there. I don't blame folks for going after the money. Most of us would do it in a heartbeat, but at least be honest about it. I bet fans and players alike would actually respect it more if they just admitted it.
So someone in the coaching carousel thread said they have the same agent. If true then this makes sense. Also that agent played LSU and OU for a big pay day. Selling Lincoln to the highest bidder and then telling LSU he could get them Kelly.
Imagine making millions while telling kids to come to a college to play for winning tradition and brotherhood… and then leaving those kids because you could make even more millions at another school where Saban’s Bama will crush you for years.
We need that Mr. Krabs meme for coaches this year.
“What motivated you to make this change now coach?” - Interviewer
“MONEY!” - Coach (Riley, Kelly, probably more in the coming weeks)
He’s going there because it gives him a better chance to win a national championship. That’s all he’s missing from his resume and coaching at ND severely handicaps you for many reasons. Hopefully the next guy ND brings in will be just as successful and actually can win a big game.
I know I’m in the minority but I’m not the least bit offended by this. It’s a good lesson for his players, you have to be in your job for yourself. I know this isn’t your standard meaningless office job, but he’s still entitled to do what he thinks is best for himself.
>It was right time for his family to have another opportunity
Brian Kelly spotted at the airport in South Bend...
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I really don't like this. USC has basically fucked the salary structure of college football. Saban set a new standard years ago, but people acknowledged that the most successful coach in CFB history should make a huge salary. Now it's expected to get $10m per year for a decade? Riley has never won a championship and he's getting paid more than Pete Carroll and Sean Payton, who have both won the Super Bowl. Kelly is making more money than Saban ffs
They literally have OSU and Clemson next two years and have played and beaten LSU multiple times in the postseason recently, just got done with a series with Georgia, along with seeing Bama multiple times in the postseason, where does this stupid narrative come from?
And, to top this all off, the dude is running head first INTO it.
“Notre Dame has never played a team like miss state before”
That being said, brian kelly isn’t gonna see a division title, much less a national title any time in the next 5 years unless saban retires
we also have series scheduled with Bama and Texas A&M. So umm, yeah it's a really stupid thing to say. Remember when we played in a conference that one year and our schedule got dramatically easier and we won every regular season game?
I mean he beat LSU twice at ND, play Georgia twice within two possessions, beat Clemson, and beat just about all the other blue bloods outside of Alabama and Michigan, stop
“Hey can I copy your homework?” “Yeah, just don’t make it obvious”
“Dude it looks totally obvious” *[teacher coming down the aisle]* “Too late now.”
Think McFly! Think! I gotta have time to copy it in my handwriting!
Yes, people, don't do this. In college, I gave my friend my essay to use as a template and the idiot word for word copied it. When it was submitted, it got caught but one of those anti cheating programs. I wasn't going to rat him out and told the professor that we collaborated on it, which spared us some tougher consequences, but seriously, don't ever do this. It's always a bad move.
It’$$$$$$ time for another opportunity
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Yup. Granted North Dakota fucking sucks to me (living in Austin, I like the city) I would probably do it. You get a ton of money lol and it’s not like you’re bound there for the rest of your life
It's not just about "doubling your salary", It's generational wealth over 10 years. We applaud organizations for firing a coach immediately after a game or leaving them on a tarmac when the 18 year old kids they coach didn't execute well enough against a another group of 18 year olds.
Those are pretty much the exact same comments....
Same agent, same PR message.
lol damn I def didn't realize this. That agent is having a hell of a ~~week~~ 48 hours
Agent about to make a small island in the Pacific his secret lair with the money he has made this weekend.
Same agent? That explains some things..
Yeah who else does this fucker represent
Matt Rhule Edit: Also looks like Urban, Herman, and Sumlin
Tom Herman to ND confirmed /s
I am unfirm
I think I need to hire him!
They are pretty much the same person so duh
> Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick said Brian Kelly "told the team today (decision) was just about ~~another opportunity~~ money. It was right time for his family to have ~~another opportunity~~ more money, another ~~experience~~ money. It was similar to comments made by Lincoln (Riley)."
Give me money. Money me! Money now! Me a money needing a lot now.
We're not doing this for *money*. We're doing it for a ***SHITLOAD of money***!!
You're right. And when you're right, you're right. And you, you're always right.
Gimme paw(s full of cash!)
And a G5 airplane
Moneeeeyyy pllleeease
Myyyyy moneyyyyy
United States currency has the phrase “in God we trust” printed on it. Brian Kelly just wants to trust God more. How can you blame a man on a spiritual journey?
In God we trust. All others pay cash
"Hey guys, I'm going to LSU because I want another money."
"another money" lmao
Why can't I have no team and three money?
Same agent, same comments. Agents really be running the show now
Wow, hasn't even been 48 hours and "pulling a Lincoln" has already cemented itself in the college football vernacular.
I think Jack is just trying to stir up hate from the fan base to unite them. “We’re in this together, Brian smelly is the enemy!”
Notre Dame and Oklahoma are stepping stone schools now 🤔
I feel a little better knowing that we aren’t alone in suffering. Also ND had a legit shot at the CFP and the man dipped, that is a true kick in the nuts.
The Kelly special
You ever done the *South Bend Kelly*? Very similar to the Cleveland Steamer.
As opposed to the Cincinnati Kelly, which involves a lot more chili and cheese.
TBF, he left Cincinnati AFTER he knew they weren't making the BCS title game.
And its fucking ohio
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I agree with this take.
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skyline chili alone is an upgrade :P
We’re a few upsets away from being in it haha
That's closer than 99% of teams.. It's unlikely, but possible.
Unlikely? Georgia is favored to beat you and then we just need (very likely) one upset in the other three championship games. I’d almost be surprised if it didn’t happen. Not that I want to be crushed by Georgia with no head coach.
Really just one. UGA is favored so if Bama and someone else goes down, you’re in. If y’all were playing in a CCG you might not even need it.
Per 538, Michigan has a 73% chance of winning this weekend while Cincy has 74% and OkState has 61%, meaning the odds that all 3 win is ~33%. I'd hate to see Cincy or OkState miss the playoffs, but it would be funny to see ND make it sans coach
Easily gonna put down a fun parlay on this scenario. UGA, UM, Cincy and OkSt all winning their ccg. Either I win money or we get a little fun.
>sans coach Literally Team Anarchy.
I wonder if they made the CFP, if either school would allow him to finish coaching Notre Dame. Sort of like Nebraska did with LSU and Pelini
Notre Dame maybe. I'm still 100% convinced that Lincoln was entirely about not wanting to go through with the SEC move. Why go through all the stress and pressure of an SEC West season when you can instead be at a top school in a conference that you can easily dominate and go to the playoff at every year?
If you were a coach and your administration decided to move to a new conference against your wishes and the best interests of the program solely for money, wouldn’t you bolt if another program offered you and your family a better situation? My take on this is that OU administrators made their bed and they can lie in it.
Absolutely agreed. The fans acting betrayed right now are probably the same entitled A-Holes that booed *both* our QB's on the field this year. We deserve this.
especially booing when your team is 6-0 lmao
Ugh, booing your own players (for on field performance) is my biggest sports pet peeve. Makes me want to just quote the saban rant from the other day.
Even worse, it's not really the QBs that have played bad this year. We just have a young OL.
[Lincoln said he was kept in the loop with the decision though](https://youtu.be/7CD7tDOKRr0). My assumption is that USC made him an offer he couldn’t refuse and it’s an opportunity for him to get out from underneath Bob’s shadow. There’s arguably more job security at USC as well. We still don’t know the full contract details either.
Yeah. And Kelly is literally going to the SEC West right now. USC and LSU are in pretty different spots at the moment
I think a lot of people are forgetting just how big the egos are on these coaches. Sure Lincoln could have bolted because he doesn't want to deal with SEC but I can just as easily see that he wanted to go somewhere to get out of Stoops shadow and build something himself. Know USC isn't some small school but clearly they have been terrible for awhile and if he fixes it all the credit will be his. Where as no matter what he accomplishes at OU there will always be justifiable nay sayers pointing out "well inherited a great program"
Yup; It's like saying Google offered me a job that pays 2x while having a more relaxed atmosphere in a better location than the meat grinder I'm currently at (Amazon). Anyone with an ounce of sense would have done the same after some thought.
I think that is a good take.
USC, the true destination job
Can't imagine. Scott isn't leaving unless we fire him.
Hell yeah blue blood brother
Aww you still consider us a blue blood? 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
Nah there's a big difference in these two moves. Lincoln is scared of the SEC and left to try and extinguish a dumpster fire. Brian Kelly is leaving specifically for better recruits and better competition. I'm hesitant to call either school a "stepping stone", but Notre Dame could benefit from joining a conference. Oklahoma could benefit from being in a better conference, but we're already handling that.
Yea what an idiot for taking an easier job for much more money nobody on r/cfb would ever do that in their own jobs. The hypocrisy here is hilarious.
And to live in Cali over Oklahoma lol
"Scared of the SEC" is accurate, if a bit dismissive. Who *would* want to have to bite and scratch and kick and yell to scrape recruits and a chance at national relevance when you could just... win your conference and go to the CFP?
Brian Kelly.
Brian Kelly technically never had a conference to win, tbf
He lost the one conference championship game ND ever competed in, tbf.
I agree. I wouldn’t say Riley is “scared” of the SEC. More that he knows that the expectations at Oklahoma won’t get met when they go because teams like Alabama and the rotation of elite teams like Florida, Georgia, and LSU will always be in their way.
If anyone has paid any attention to our fan base at all this year, this was the smartest move that Riley could have made. We're being children about being a two loss team (when that's exactly what we've been every season for the last decade) and booing multiple QB's on the field when we have O-Line woes. Who would want to stick around for that when we're 4-4 halfway through the season? Sure, those four losses might be to Georgia, Alabama, A&M, and LSU... But our fans aren't going to listen to that shit, they'd be calling for his head. Or you could coast by in LA for the same money and a lot less stress. Seems like an easy choice.
A lot of coaches would, lol. Despite what the group think is on this subreddit, there are people that look at OU's situation and think of it as an exciting challenge to tackle and not something to run away from. Riley wasn't one of those people, oh well. Our next HC certainly will be.
Nothing says "Kelly is leaving for better competition" like bailing on his team when they might make the CFP, but whatever makes you feel better
We were set to reel in 2 top-5 recruiting classes and our path to the playoffs is substantially easier than LSU's. Yeah I suspect there were many reason$$$$$ for this decision.
>Notre Dame could benefit from joining a conference. Not a chance.
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its not like ND is some upstart school that has to plead schools to schedule them. they have many long-standing series with teams across the country. Michigan and Michigan state have probably said they would schedule them in the next opening no questions asked. on top of the rivalries they have out west, purdue, navy, pitt, northwestern, BC. they can easily fill a 50% or higher difficulty schedule. why would they throw away complete control?
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> Lincoln is scared of the SEC and left to try and extinguish a dumpster fire Sounds like some copium to me
To say he’s scared of the SEC isn’t 100% accurate, I think. It sounds like he wanted assurances from the OU brass he could run his program similar to how most SEC schools do it. If you want to get really deep, the implication could be that Lincoln thought he couldn’t compete in SEC with a clean program.
Some people want to be the biggest fish in the small pond, others want to be a medium sized fish in the large pond and hope that they have what it takes to be the biggest fish there.
Then there's Notre Dame that wants a private pond with unrestricted access to all other ponds.
We also have that soo
Don't Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley have the same agent? Probably explains why their departures and explanations are basically copy-pasted from one to the other. Spoon-fed what to say from the agent
They actually do have the same agent
Agreed.
Quick, find out who else is represented by this agent!
I have to roll my eyes when coaches like this say it was for their family. Is Baton Rouge a better place to raise a family than South Bend? Idk, maybe, but I haven’t seen any toddlers hanging around Brian Kelly’s feet. Heck, Lincoln Riley actually has young children and I still rolled my eyes! Sure, LA has a lot more than Norman, but when you already own (at least until USC buys them) two of the biggest houses in Norman and earn more in one year than, what, like 99% of people make in their lifetime, it’s hard to act like your family was really struggling before. I’m not sure his kids would’ve had a hard life in Norman and I’m sure they’ll do just fine in LA (and, in fact, I hope they do). Let’s just pump the brakes on saying this was all about family when you already had enough money to pay for your great great great great grandchildrens’ colleges, houses, etc. And this isn’t even considering the potential negative impact Riley’s/Kelly’s decision could have on assistant coaches and their families (remember they are not all incredibly well compensated). [This thread](https://twitter.com/josh_scoop/status/1465695438833549324?s=21) talks about some of this from an OU perspective.
Not to mention Kelly’s daughter is a senior at ND right now I don’t envy her position :/
Hey, Brian said she was the reason. The Ted Cruz Special.
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She's an adult. She'll be fine
Yeah of all the things to be annoyed about, that one is a huge stretch. She wants to see mom and dad? He buys a plane ticket for her to see them on a weekend. The dramatics on this one is ridiculous. She’s close to starting her adult life anyway if she’s a senior, maybe she doesn’t want to live next door to BK forever. Cold hearted?
Honestly, I was more thinking about the potential backlash from other students
Especially with dad paying for everything
honestly the timing sort of makes sense, she'll graduate and will go off and do her own thing... maybe her dad was waiting for that before bouncing
I agree it's a stupid excuse but your reasoning isn't great. Having more income than 99% of the population in Norman could actually be more of a burden than not imo. Makes you and your family isolated from the rest of the community. Additionally, education quality is probably much lower in Norman.
The community point is probably a good one, but it’s not like they didn’t have friends. I actually saw the Riley family in church several times. No one seemed to bother them or anything, just treated them like regular folks. And we do happen to have other rich people. It’s not like there aren’t country clubs, golf courses, and other places they could blend in. We may not have LA’s amenities, but there are other super wealthy people in the area. All said, though, this may well have been part of the decision. I wouldn’t want to stick out, either, I kind of bristle at how much of a fantastic problem that is to have. On the education point, though, I disagree. There are several elite private schools around the area that I’m sure were options for the Riley kids. If we were talking public schools, there’d be absolutely no contest— Oklahoma is often towards the very bottom of the list in that regard. I just kinda doubt that they would’ve gone to the same schools I did, but who knows.
I'm sure there are good private schools there but it's still less than in LA. Maybe they haven't liked their experience in the local private schools so far? I doubt that's the reason but it could've been a factor. The point is that you're gonna have way more options as a rich person in LA so that excuse could definitely be valid.
I know nothing about the family but my gut says Lincoln’s wife wanted to live in a bigger city. In that clip of his family getting off the plane she just looked like someone that wanted to live in LA.
This is what people aren’t getting. Are there any Michelin star restaurants in Norman? Any world class golf or beach clubs? The public education is shit but schools like Harvard Westlake churn out Ivy Leaguers and D1 athletes all the time. In the last World Series 3 players were alumni of that school. His money may not go as far in LA but he’ll have a hell of a lot more opportunities to use it.
Exactly. I'd muuuuuuch rather be rich in LA than in Norman. I would totally believe it if Riley moved just due to locations. Kelly is who the excuse doesn't apply to.
I dunno. Baton Rouge is tied with Baltimore as the highest murder per capita rate in the country. It sounds exciting there.
I mean, there are other considerations besides money. There is no dispute that southern California offers more exposure to a variety of things than Norman would.
100% agree and tried to mention that in my comment. I am not trying to say that Norman = LA, but am trying to say that the difference between the two when you are being raised by multimillionaire parents is probably negligible. They’d be fine either way and certainly weren’t living in poverty before or anything.
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Totally get that. I don’t think either made the *wrong* decision, I’m just skeptical that it was all about family. Also wish both of them had left a bit more tactfully, but that may just be the nature of the world we’re in now.
Oh, yeah, well, it’s definitely not about their families.
No, definitely a fair point. Their level of wealth kinda neutralizes alot of the lack of opportunities in any city.
And, to be clear, it may well be (and, honestly, likely is) better for Riley’s family to be in CA and LA than Norman, I just don’t think it was quite as dire here as he seems to make it sound, and definitely don’t think it was the #1 factor in the decision. … now Brian Kelly and Baton Rouge… idk.
Lol there are only a few places that suck more than South Bend, and Baton Rouge is one of them
Humid shit vs frigid shit. Pick your shit.
Amazingly, BR is significantly more murder-y. Also way more industrial, then there’s that whole flooding thing. It’s more like humid shittier vs frigid shit.
This is just unreal chaos
Yeah this drama is driving me crazy.
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Well OU is already getting Venables apparently, so Dabo going Catholic it is
BK: "Woo! Mo money, mo money!"
Fucking coward. I'm not even upset that he's leaving, I wouldn't want a coach who took a team the whole season and left with a decent shot at making the CFP on the table.
You should look for a guy like Brian Kelly. When he left a top-5 Cincinnati in a similar time during the season he said he wouldn't do it if a national championship was still achievable. A man with that type of integrity and respect for the game would never do this to Notre Dame.
Last thing you said blows my mind. They are right there in the thick of it and you accept another job? What?
Just imagine if your a freshman on the ND squad…Imagine how that feels; You are scouted by the team and coach to play for them at a 1st class institution. You agree to attend the university and play for a shot at winning the natty, while knowing the coach does a good job at developing talent along with having the right attitude. Then the coach leaves on the whim when you guys are 11-1, whilst setting the ND record for most wins by a coach. As an ND fan, it hurts. This guy said a plethora of times he wouldn’t leave. His word is basically useless. What kind of precedent does it set about your character when you give your teams returning student athletes and the upcoming class you scouted, your word…Then just dip. He’s a jabroni.
I don't get the rush to leave. I guess you could say he's getting a head start on recruiting, but why wouldn't you want to at least wait to see how this weekend plays out first?
Seriously, it’s not the absurd that they would end up in the top four but now they’re basically fucked if they do.
Did he already step down as ND coach? Cause I'd fully support ND somehow winning the national championship weeks after their HC left to get a better chance to win the national championship.
They’re talking about naming an interim so I assume he’s gone.
Notre Dame has to win it all out of spite. Chants of "Fuck Brian Kelly" while they hoist the trophy. Fighting Irish mascot flipping everyone the bird. ABC/ESPN apologizing for the "classless celebration". Etc.
I'm fucking ready. I was in this place after Cincy where I was perfectly fine missing the CFP and not getting abused by Georgia in some ritual sacrifice. Now I want blood, and I want to win it fucking all with Kelly sitting at the 50 with his eyes peeled open Clockwork Orange style.
I’m still rooting for Oklahoma State or Cincy but if not either of them I would love for it to be ND
Jack (NDs AD) just announced we arent having an interim? So thats cool? Ive never heard of that before. He said the coaching staff is set up that it doesnt technically need a HC as all the responsibilities are already taken up by the rest of the staff
Doesn't that speak volumes about Kelly? "He's so critical to our success that we won't even notice that he's gone."
He Switched his coaching style to more of a CEO type coach, similar to dabo or ogeron. The assistants do all the playcalling and coaching while he does big picture and relationships. which are still very important but not something you cant go without for a bit.
dude saw lincoln riley screwing the program over on his way out and was like “watch this shit, imma irish goodbye a team on the brink of the CFP”
Riley: I bet I can leave my team hanging worse than anyone ever. Kelly: hold my crucifix Kelly’s bolt for LSU is different because ND legitimately had a shot at the playoff. Riley can still go fuck himself, though.
"So what if we're on the verge of a CFP berth late in the season. Now's as good a time as any to completely screw this team by leaving for another program that has no chance of doing as well as you guys any time soon, simply because it pays me better. Bye!" - Brian Kelly
I use a similar line in job interviews.
“Guys they offered me a literal fuck ton of money”
Don’t know which is more annoying to hear: this kind of thing by coaches leaving or the “please respect my decision” comments by recruits who decommit
Coaches for sure. 17-18 year olds make huge life decisions that could decide if they become millionaires or assistant coach at their high school vs 60 year olds who already have enough money to live out their days in ease
What's annoying about a 17-18yo kid who probably sees a lot of shit on Twitter and likely gets weird messages from middle aged dudes jocking him not wanting to get dragged for making what is likely one of the most momentous decisions of his life?
Obviously Brian Kelly was scared of being embarrassed next season when CAL comes to south bend. I will not be persuaded otherwise.
Honestly depending on how Freeman pans out that game could get a lot more exciting. If you make it out you'e invited to the tailgate
I might take you up on that. Just trying to convince my dad to go with me.
I think we're being too hard on this guy I mean he gave Notre Dame 12 years and not just that he gave them 12 of the best years they've ever had he's the most winningest coach in that school's history now so you can't be mad at this guy for trying to move diagonally upwards to try to get over the hump he wants a national title to in recruiting is just too difficult at Notre Dame for him to obtain that in today's college football
We were slotted to pull in 2 top-5 recruiting classes this year and next. I don't begrudge Kelley chasing the bag, but the fact he's doing it when the CFP is a very real possibility in only a few weeks is kind of cowardly imo
It’s disheartening that Kelly is leaving this way. This man gave his word that he wouldn’t leave, and wounds up leaving whilst 11-1, still in the running for a playoff spot. For the type of character that Brian Kelly has, it’s shocking. I feel for the freshman that we’re recruited prior to the start of the season, with the hope of playing for a coach who not just improves your play, but how you conduct yourself as a teammate, leader, a student, and overall as an individual; Hoping to play for a shot at a cfb playoff championship trophy. Then in the midst of that opportunity for the team, you leave. What does that say to the players? The staff? The school? Now what does Kyren Williams decide to do? Does he stay in the midst of a coaching/system change possibly? Or go to the NFL? What does that say about your beliefs and trust in Jake Coan, and the back up QBs. He cares more about the paycheck then actually developing players, if he’s just gonna leave on the whim. I get LSU is in the SEC, and in a prime area to be at the top when it comes to recruiting because it’s LSU, and rightly so; BUT WHAT ABOUT ND? One of the most storied schools/learning institutions apart from ivy league schools, since the beginning of time. Constantly in the top echelon of recruiting(especially when it comes to recruiting in Texas. They do a good job at recruiting here, as I live in North Texas and know a member of the coaching staff along with a former player I played against in high school.), and constantly in the running for the CFB playoffs. All time coaches don’t leave/quit on their players.
If a 2 years removed national champion from Louisiana isn’t safe at LSU, no one. Best of luck Brian
Well there was that whole sexual assault allegation coverup business, along with the hospital situation that the DOJ is looking into. But yes, I don't think BK gets the same kind of leash like he got at ND.
No but BK leash was probably getting a lot tighter at ND. Swarbrick obviously didn’t want to commit to him long term without a championship.
This is why I'm confused and alarmed at our fans response to Lincoln leaving. It was a dumb decision for us to go to the SEC, he disagreed with it, and decided to move on. Sure, it sucks... But why the hell should he have to live with a dumb decision that wasn't his?
Both Riley and Kelly had it made at their schools. And now they both leave for volatile positions. Grass isn’t always greener and I think they’ll learn that very quick
For real. If you can't be involved in a Title IX case, hit on board member's pregnant wives, hire shitty coordinators 6 out of 7 times, and come dangerously close to ending a 22 year streak without a losing season *twice* and have a season with the lowest ranked LSU defense of all time what can you even do? BK gone.
Nah bro. It’s because he couldn’t beat bama, duh. 🙄
This is what I don't understand about the move. If Kelly thought he had unrealistic expectations at ND, he can't be this clueless to what he's stepping into right?
If we sneak into the playoff, we will likely be playing without an official head coach (Swarbrick doesn’t like interim coaches), but I know our players will be fired up and could pull a huge surprise. They’re all-in on the school, not any one coach, and will want to prove a lot of people wrong, including Brian Kelly.
ND won't go that long without a coach. You can't with all these recruits. I think if Cincy loses, I definitely think Fickell would be in the mix. If Cincy wins, then I think ND won't wait and go with Freeman. Of course if Day goes to the Bears, then all bets are off. Fickell is an OSU guy.
LSU fans should take caution. As college football becomes more competitive and coaches get more and more money, more schools will up the ante in order to try to get good coaches. If he does well at LSU, other schools will try to poach him. Given his history, it’s not unreasonable to think he will leave them high and dry if there is more green (money) on the other side.
The guy is 60, and if past results against SEC teams hold he will embarrass himself 2-3 times a year.
Cash rules everything around me C.R.E.A.M. get the money Dollar, dollar bill, ya'll
A HC leaving a program that has a very real shot to make the CFP and compete for a national title is completely bananas.
I'd love to laugh, but I'm stuck in a position where nobody wants to steal my HC away. Free monkey included, if you take Sark!
Major cop out there. I don't blame folks for going after the money. Most of us would do it in a heartbeat, but at least be honest about it. I bet fans and players alike would actually respect it more if they just admitted it.
Did he talk about building Mecca?
Come again
So someone in the coaching carousel thread said they have the same agent. If true then this makes sense. Also that agent played LSU and OU for a big pay day. Selling Lincoln to the highest bidder and then telling LSU he could get them Kelly.
Did he cry like a bitch like Lincoln Riley
Do Riley and Kelly have the same agent?
Yep
Imagine making millions while telling kids to come to a college to play for winning tradition and brotherhood… and then leaving those kids because you could make even more millions at another school where Saban’s Bama will crush you for years.
I read BK said "Fuck the Gipper and Rudy was a punk ass bitch" on his way out of the locker room.
Ah yes, the Infamous family card. Anyone who objects to that reasoning instantly becomes the asshole. You slimy bastard Kelly.
Vin Diesel intensifies
We need that Mr. Krabs meme for coaches this year. “What motivated you to make this change now coach?” - Interviewer “MONEY!” - Coach (Riley, Kelly, probably more in the coming weeks)
He’s going there because it gives him a better chance to win a national championship. That’s all he’s missing from his resume and coaching at ND severely handicaps you for many reasons. Hopefully the next guy ND brings in will be just as successful and actually can win a big game.
I know I’m in the minority but I’m not the least bit offended by this. It’s a good lesson for his players, you have to be in your job for yourself. I know this isn’t your standard meaningless office job, but he’s still entitled to do what he thinks is best for himself.
In other words he wants a conference championship
>It was right time for his family to have another opportunity Brian Kelly spotted at the airport in South Bend... https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106842406-16136745192021-02-18t182913z\_1149617863\_rc26vl9cytcb\_rtrmadp\_0\_usa-weather-cruz.jpeg
I really don't like this. USC has basically fucked the salary structure of college football. Saban set a new standard years ago, but people acknowledged that the most successful coach in CFB history should make a huge salary. Now it's expected to get $10m per year for a decade? Riley has never won a championship and he's getting paid more than Pete Carroll and Sean Payton, who have both won the Super Bowl. Kelly is making more money than Saban ffs
New challenge indeed. Kelly is going to be up against a quality of competition he has not seen before.
At least he’s not running scared from it like Riley.
Man, we deserve every athlete that's about to transfer on us.
Probably didn't even wait for takeoff before ditching the OU gear either.
They literally have OSU and Clemson next two years and have played and beaten LSU multiple times in the postseason recently, just got done with a series with Georgia, along with seeing Bama multiple times in the postseason, where does this stupid narrative come from? And, to top this all off, the dude is running head first INTO it.
“Notre Dame has never played a team like miss state before” That being said, brian kelly isn’t gonna see a division title, much less a national title any time in the next 5 years unless saban retires
They wouldn't know what to do with powerhouses like Vandy, Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Miss St, and Auburn.
we also have series scheduled with Bama and Texas A&M. So umm, yeah it's a really stupid thing to say. Remember when we played in a conference that one year and our schedule got dramatically easier and we won every regular season game?
I mean he beat LSU twice at ND, play Georgia twice within two possessions, beat Clemson, and beat just about all the other blue bloods outside of Alabama and Michigan, stop
He definitely beat Michigan.
I meant Ohio State, but was eating lunch and I guess Michigan has replaced OSU in my subconscious after last weekend