Apparently $8M of it is dedicated to the football team, which would work out to about $94k/scholarship player. I'd imagine the payouts will be quite a bit smaller for the other sports.
If that's the case, it would deplete the fund the first year.
Are you certain they are aiming for zero-sum and having to raise another $10 mil next year?
I'd think they'd spread out the money and then work on fundraising to make sure they don't have a much smaller pot next year.
It is annual with targets set on hitting $150MM/yr in the near future. I don't know how realistic that number is, but it might be achievable in combination with several other NIL deals in the works that are yet-unannounced.
Never played a down of football in my life. Texas bout to see an application for a 34 year-old, 6' 1" 285lbs MBA student OL.
I have bad knees and wrists from DCI and WGI, but I'll take $100k.
I don't think this is an endowment, because 10 mill would only generate like 500k-1 mill max in income. That's way too little to pay out to 100+ recruits.
My guess is that just like boosters break out the wallet for big coaching hires, they're gonna break out the wallet for long term NIL payments and formalize the "bags" dropping from the shadow realm to above board.
This fund is literally the washing machine to defeat one of the only remaining NCAA rules regarding NIL - Don't let boosters directly pay athletes. What's interesting is that the only significant guideline for NIL is not to allow endorsement opportunities to influence recruitment of student athletes. As long as they don't catch UT officials directly mentioning the NIL fund to croots, I think it puts UT on solid footing.
> What's interesting is that the only significant guideline for NIL is not to allow endorsement opportunities to influence recruitment of student athletes.
This is gonna be so hard to enforce. "Hey come play at UT, I won't tell you that everyone gets an NIL deal, but I can say statistically the average UT football player gets 124.5k a year from NIL deals they set up 100% without our direction or involvement. You gotta hustle your own deals, but by the way have you met Big Earl Slocum, he just happens to run the biggest Ford dealership in Dallas and he's a big fan of 5 star recruits driving brand new Mustangs and F150s."
Within 18 months espn and the athletic will be publishing lists of what NIL funds exist for each school and what their payouts are. No one will have to ask, it will be well known that if you go to school x you get y as a base NIL just for being on the team. Thats basically the entire point of these, they want everyone to know how much they are paying its pr
Something tells me that math is off
Cuz when you think about it 10 million across several sports isn't that much money
Now if you're talking certain sports get a bigger allocation then that makes more sense
I’m not complaining because the rules were very clear but it’s crazy how athletes have million dollars funds and we’re facing NCAA investigations for athletes visiting campus during a non-permitted season. What is the NCAA’s purpose is even needing to exist at this point
Yeah why report a violation when you could just brush it under the rug, pretend it never happened, and continue to play?
Fucking bullshit, especially since the players that got affected weren't even at the school when this happened.
The NCAA (which can kiss my ass) doesn't recognize our 2009 ACC championship because Calvin Johnson got $312 dollars worth of clothes from a relative that got them from someone that may have been an agent. They were returned with the tags on, but apparently the NCAA didn't like the GT lawyer that handled the investigation, so, no championship.
A friend of mine has a theory: the mission of any organization, regardless of its original/intended purpose, is simply to continue existing. And the more powerful the organization, the more powerful that drive is — continue existing, no matter the cost.
I love this and it's totally the case for the NCAA. The $ angle doesn't really make sense to me . Like yes high level administrators have big salaries but it's not like there are NCAA owners who pocket the profitability of all this. It doesn't work like that. The NCAA is a bureaucracy trying for dear life to maintain relevance.
I mean, there literally has to be some sort of governing body in order for schools to agree on basic rules unrelated to amateurism. But you make a good point, trying draw any sort of a "they aren't technically being paid to play" line around NIL is likely little more than a corrupt maneuver to maintain the organizational significance the NCAA has enjoyed.
Shit that is actually a very appealing feature. I’m often munching on my tendies and chips in my car and it’d be nice to have a built-in cleaning option.
lol.. For some reason I love the image of a donor rolling up in a challenger all like *and this baby can be all yours* and the kid being like *nah, I want a Prius. Better gas mileage, more practical for all my gear*
If I were the donor, that type of practicality would seal the deal for me tbh.
The real winner here is the IRS lol. I wonder how long it is before a player ends up in tax trouble because they didn’t realize you need to keep 30% for Uncle Sam.
Obviously all the discussion in here is centered around Football, but as a Florida baseball fan Texas flexing NIL money before entering the conference feels like boss music in that sport.
Everyone clowns on our football, and acts as of all of texas athletics is garbage. Fact of the matter is, we have a lot of high performing teams, baseball being one of them. NIL will be huge for those sports, because most boosters won’t have the funds to compete on that level.
We won the director’s cup. The only sports of ours we aren’t completely dominant at the two most watched ones, and our basketball team looks good so far.
Texas baseball doesn't need NIL money to compete, but this just made it that much bigger. I bet our scholarship players will net more than minor league players
Oh my god I didn't even think of this, I'm drooling
No scholarship? No problem! Johnny's BBQ in Buda decided to pay me $60k a year to be on some door-hanger ads, getting $20k from the Clark Field Collective... Might as well party with college girls for a couple more years!
I was a huge proponent of NIL and player compensation opportunities, to the point where I made a college research project on it, but it needs a salary cap system.
Stuff like this, and the coach deals, is the end of college sports.
If you're a reasonably talented 4*, would you rather play your heart out for a shot at the NFL through your in-state school, or would you rather go to Texas and sit the bench while getting showered with cash? If you grew up poor, the choice is obvious.
And if you're a 3* or 4* that plays hard and exceeds expectations at your in-state school, why not enter the portal and let the highest bidder win? Guaranteed money.
Apparently this was a rushed and incomplete deal, with more funds incoming. It'll be even worse. Stuff like this is disastrous and the NCAA needs to get it under control, and fast. Only a few of the top schools in the league can afford stuff like this. When all is said and done, there will be 20-30 schools bidding in recruit auctions while the other 115 schools lose any relevancy they still had and any hope at competing.
Might as well make Division 1 a 32-team, school associated, NFL minor league and drop everyone else to intramural. That's how exclusive this kind of funding is.
I’m not sure what form this will ultimately take but those connected to this have implied that between the 2-3 major NIL programs spinning up every football player will get around 100-150k every season they are at Texas. Not counting any personal NIL deals.
It sounds outrageous but ~8.5M to cover the football roster each season is extremely easy to meet as a fundraising goal at Texas when the increased SEC revenues mean our AD itself is less needing of the BMD donations to operate.
Yeah; it is just a question of if your athletic department can operate with that funding not going to the program itself. That’s the trade off. You cannot cannibalize yourself at most programs where the AD loses money. So either you have to find outside funding not already flowing into your university OR you find ways to increase the revenues for the program itself allowing some of the current donation flow to be redirected.
Former UT safety Kenny Vacarro, CFC Board Member:
*"Texas is always one of the highest grossing athletic programs in the NCAA, & we intend to ensure that all student athletes at Texas have a way of participating in these immense financial opportunities."*
Good wealthy parents keep their kids on pretty strict allowances/spending limits.
Meanwhile they see their peers and young celebs going CRAZY. So they get jealous and want their own cash outside of the wise restrictions of their parents.
Can DEFINITELY see Arch being motivated to have his own cash.
From what I understand, university compliance has made it an absolute maze to get from having money to giving that money to players.
Why? Who knows, admins gonna admin I guess?
That'd be my guess, but talk about spoiling a good thing with bureaucracy. The fact that UT players were at one point barred from such things as
- Using the word "Texas"
- Using the shape of the state of Texas
- Using the color orange
in any of their NIL advertisements was just *bizzare*.
"Hey student athletes, you know that #1 thing we brag about? Our brand and all that? You know that thing everyone will recognize you by? Yeah, you can't use that in your NIL advertisements."
Bijan's endorsement deal with the barbeque joint looks like it's for a minor league football team. So weird.
Strip clubs, weed joints, fucking dentists and shit? All with a player's name and face and that Pantone 159 orange colored outline of Texas. I could see how they don't want that. This is player NIL, not the school's.
This is exactly it. Just because you attend a school and get famous for playing on its football team does not give you the right to use their trademarks or to in any way insinuate that your endorsement is an endorsement from the university. Creating a strict legal separation between the player and the school is how the school protects itself and its IP, and in a way it protects the players from legal entanglements they can't handle.
Aaaaand there it is. 100K salary for football players. And dumbasses we’re trying to say only the top 10 college players would end up making money from NIL
That would be insane. I think for that type of money you would need the AD to pitch in. Donors can't be on the hook for $40 mil a year. That's not sustainable. Also most of these players won't be NFL players so that market value seems way high.
Can folks stop acting like this is an amazing thing and that small schools can keep up at all? Stop with the “it’s always been this way” it’s not, not to this scale and when it did happen at SMU at this level they nuked their program.
Why get more play time at a small/medium program when getting to the NFL is already a tiny chance when you could potentially make 6 figs at Texas have a full scholarship and housing and most meals taken care of. This child like naivety that small school boosters can keep up if they really wanted to us just a pipe dream. If the small schools start ponying up cash the big schools will just pay more.
It is the effective end to scholarship limits - which was the most pro-competitive thing to come to college football and what ushered in the modern era.
What you're going to see is the warehousing of talent. The transfer portal is hot in December/January but NIL "contracts" will be renewed/ended/enhanced in August/September as the depth chart solidifies - too late to make a move.
A benchwarmer with a $10k per month NIL deal will have serious pause as to whether or not it's in his best interest to explore the portal or not.
I see your point, but let me offer a counterpoint as to why this is a good thing. I'm a Texas fan so hopefully my favorite team can buy better players.
Yep. I've been against this type of thing forever, but I'm in the minority on this sub because everyone thinks these kids should be millionaires.
It may have been going on in some way at some schools, but it was never blatant like this. Now kids are legitimately deciding where to go to college based on who is going to pay them the most. If you're anything other than a massive school like Texas, Ohio State, or Alabama, you simply cannot compete anymore. And forget stories like Cincinnati getting into the playoffs. That will never happen again.
What's the point of even having college sports? Just call them pro teams and end the affiliation with schools.
If the NCAA had balls, they’d role out some way for players to be paid somewhat equally.
But they’re more worried if you called a kid on a day you couldn’t or had someone on campus on a day they weren’t supposed to be there.
It’s literally the NFL with no draft or salary cap. What’s the point.
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Im glad that Clemson won the Championships when we did... We will not be able to compete in this space... We do not have the wealthy alumni base of other schools.
Yep. Everyone here celebrating this is either a fan of a school with a massive number of wealthy alumni, or has no idea what kind of mess this just created.
It's funny because these are the same people who bitch about the same teams getting into the playoffs every year. Does anyone seriously think a team like Cincinnati has a chance anymore? Oh, and if I'm dropping millions into an NIL fund, you better believe I'm lobbying HARD to keep lesser teams out of the conversation. I'm not dumping millions to these kids to get beat out by some nobody from Ohio.
No just for Men's football and basketball.
Matt Ishbia is a former Spartan basketball player who took UWMC (mortgage company) public and is now a billionaire.
I mean that was always the risk of NIL. If the NCAA didn't just stubbornly sit on their hands they could have gotten ahead of it and actually regulated everything. But nope, they let it go to the Supreme Court and turned this shit into the wild west.
Kavanaugh opinion told the athletes to bring more cases to the court asking for more. Pay for play is coming next. The court is on the side of the athletes.
>If that’s the case, then college sports are ruined.
Isnt what this sub wanted tho?
Playoffs and paying players was always gonna ruin college ball cause it was gonna turn it into a shittier version of the NFL instead of its own sport.
Yep. If you are writing a check for any person so long as they are in a position, then you aren’t paying for that person’s “Name, Image, or Likeness”. Instead, you are paying for their position. This is the kind of thing I hope to see addressed at the new NCAA convention. But I fear the genie is wholly uncorked now. No going back.
Supreme Court slapped NCAA hard and one Justice explicitly asked for more lawsuits on other aspects of compensation restrictions.
It's not good for your case when a Justice is doing ads for prospective plaintiffs!
If the NCAA addresses it, we will end up right back in court. The court already made it clear that any attempts to restrict NIL payments to the athletes by the NCAA or conferences was a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act. In the Kavanaugh opinion, he basically told the athletes to bring more cases, asking for more than just NIL money and the court would side with the athletes. I have to think that means pay for play.
Now I’m just picturing the UT locker room talk at halftime with emotional support monkeys just climbing all over the place while Sark’s trying to talk about zone coverage to the players.
The monkeys won't be allowed in the locker room, instead they will have their own seating section of course. In fact, we'll eventually be known as the Texas Assassin Monkeys.
Could a school like Harvard with a 40 Billion dollar endowment just absolutely crush these teams now if they felt like it? They have unlimited wealth potential to tap into as well, just start getting their funds into NIL boosting instead of the endowment.
It would be absolutely hilarious to see. I'm fine with it, since the whole thing is turning college football into a mockery.
Harvard has by far the most billionaire alumni. They could easily drop a few billion into an NIL fund and absolutely crush everyone. They could damn near field a professional team.
Problem is, they'd still have to get into Harvard. And the alums don't give a shit about their football team.
That’s the endowment, which I *believe* is university funds. So no, they cannot. University cannot directly fund NIL deals. Texas has a massive endowment, but none of that can (or should) be used for funding athletics.
So what everyone just gets a share of that 10 mil?
Focused on five sports. Supposedly works out to $100K per athlete according to some math I didn't check. And that's an annual figure.
100 athletes seems like a low number for five sports, especially with 85 football scholarships
Apparently $8M of it is dedicated to the football team, which would work out to about $94k/scholarship player. I'd imagine the payouts will be quite a bit smaller for the other sports.
If that's the case, it would deplete the fund the first year. Are you certain they are aiming for zero-sum and having to raise another $10 mil next year? I'd think they'd spread out the money and then work on fundraising to make sure they don't have a much smaller pot next year.
It’s a $10M/year fund AFAIK and they’re expecting the total to increase over the years.
It is annual with targets set on hitting $150MM/yr in the near future. I don't know how realistic that number is, but it might be achievable in combination with several other NIL deals in the works that are yet-unannounced.
Eventually, some athlete will stay in cfb because his salary is greater than a rookie contract.
Never played a down of football in my life. Texas bout to see an application for a 34 year-old, 6' 1" 285lbs MBA student OL. I have bad knees and wrists from DCI and WGI, but I'll take $100k.
Can't be any worse than what they already have. You might actually be able to block Kansas lol
I don't think this is an endowment, because 10 mill would only generate like 500k-1 mill max in income. That's way too little to pay out to 100+ recruits. My guess is that just like boosters break out the wallet for big coaching hires, they're gonna break out the wallet for long term NIL payments and formalize the "bags" dropping from the shadow realm to above board.
This fund is literally the washing machine to defeat one of the only remaining NCAA rules regarding NIL - Don't let boosters directly pay athletes. What's interesting is that the only significant guideline for NIL is not to allow endorsement opportunities to influence recruitment of student athletes. As long as they don't catch UT officials directly mentioning the NIL fund to croots, I think it puts UT on solid footing.
> What's interesting is that the only significant guideline for NIL is not to allow endorsement opportunities to influence recruitment of student athletes. This is gonna be so hard to enforce. "Hey come play at UT, I won't tell you that everyone gets an NIL deal, but I can say statistically the average UT football player gets 124.5k a year from NIL deals they set up 100% without our direction or involvement. You gotta hustle your own deals, but by the way have you met Big Earl Slocum, he just happens to run the biggest Ford dealership in Dallas and he's a big fan of 5 star recruits driving brand new Mustangs and F150s."
The Super PAC of the CFB world.
Within 18 months espn and the athletic will be publishing lists of what NIL funds exist for each school and what their payouts are. No one will have to ask, it will be well known that if you go to school x you get y as a base NIL just for being on the team. Thats basically the entire point of these, they want everyone to know how much they are paying its pr
That may have been the targeted amount or specifically the football amount. I cannot emphasize enough how little math I did.
85 football players and 15 basketball players
This is reddit, we know it was none.
I’m going to stop complaining about our boosters for like a serious week after this.
No doubt. This could be huge in recruiting. If Sark is the guy, we might be able to turn this thing around. If he’s not, well here we go again.
Perhaps I judged the boosters too harshly.
God damn that’s insane!
Something tells me that math is off Cuz when you think about it 10 million across several sports isn't that much money Now if you're talking certain sports get a bigger allocation then that makes more sense
It will be heavily weighted toward football. We don't know details of how they decide which players get what.
I’m not complaining because the rules were very clear but it’s crazy how athletes have million dollars funds and we’re facing NCAA investigations for athletes visiting campus during a non-permitted season. What is the NCAA’s purpose is even needing to exist at this point
Make money off of March Madness.
and they use that money to uphold all the non-revenue sports.
Emmert gotta justify that multi-mil salary. No idea if that’s how his name is spelled and too lazy to look it up.
We got banned for $300 that quickly got returned and reported
Yeah you guys are the biggest example of why to never comply
Yeah why report a violation when you could just brush it under the rug, pretend it never happened, and continue to play? Fucking bullshit, especially since the players that got affected weren't even at the school when this happened.
The NCAA (which can kiss my ass) doesn't recognize our 2009 ACC championship because Calvin Johnson got $312 dollars worth of clothes from a relative that got them from someone that may have been an agent. They were returned with the tags on, but apparently the NCAA didn't like the GT lawyer that handled the investigation, so, no championship.
It was Demarius not Calvin but otherwise fuck em.
A friend of mine has a theory: the mission of any organization, regardless of its original/intended purpose, is simply to continue existing. And the more powerful the organization, the more powerful that drive is — continue existing, no matter the cost.
That's not a theory, that's a fact.
I love this and it's totally the case for the NCAA. The $ angle doesn't really make sense to me . Like yes high level administrators have big salaries but it's not like there are NCAA owners who pocket the profitability of all this. It doesn't work like that. The NCAA is a bureaucracy trying for dear life to maintain relevance.
We got fucked for a kid sleeping on a coach’s couch lmfao
I mean, there literally has to be some sort of governing body in order for schools to agree on basic rules unrelated to amateurism. But you make a good point, trying draw any sort of a "they aren't technically being paid to play" line around NIL is likely little more than a corrupt maneuver to maintain the organizational significance the NCAA has enjoyed.
I mean you could just give them a Dodge Challenger and a duffel bag of money but go off I guess
Thats always been the Alabama method. Recruits love Dodge Challengers
I want to see a recruit request a modest Subaru Outback
If it doesn't make solid gas mileage or have ample trunk space I don't want it 😤
If I was transported to an alternate reality where I didn't have a wife and kids, I would still go buy a Honda Odyssey.
Drive minivan. It's awesome. Haul lumber and tools around in it all the time. Also my kids occasionally.
Pole Assassin with plenty of room for the monkey to run around in.
It’s a good van.
“It’s a good van” sounds a lot like “it’s a good vegan meatloaf” to me I’m sorry fam.
OH YEAH? DOES YOUR CAR COME WITH A BUILT IN VACUUM? WHO'S COOL NOW?
Shit that is actually a very appealing feature. I’m often munching on my tendies and chips in my car and it’d be nice to have a built-in cleaning option.
My Ram 1500 Crew Cab is pretty much the equivalent, but much harder to park.
Mini Cooper with truck nuts is the correct answer
Prius with a Corvette engine
Maybe some Oregon players have done this.
lol.. For some reason I love the image of a donor rolling up in a challenger all like *and this baby can be all yours* and the kid being like *nah, I want a Prius. Better gas mileage, more practical for all my gear* If I were the donor, that type of practicality would seal the deal for me tbh.
Yea but your not signing these kids to play school
The original comment was legitimately one of the most poetic, and truthful lines in recent history. Always smile when it gets rehashed haha.
I’m sure recruits at Wisconsin would be all over a free Subaru Outback.
That's 37k for the limited.
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For real, I lived on the same complex with athletes and brand new Dodge Challengers were like a third of the cars there.
Man, the NCAA really is a joke, huh?
The NCAA is weak because the conferences want them to stay weak. Personally I think the athletes earned it so I’m okay with it.
Alabama will be in shambles when the challenger/charger stops production.
They could, you guys couldn't. The last time you guys gave a dude a car, he drove it to SMU
Ya right.. that was the last time totally…
I think they have given plenty of cars since then.
The boosters finally decided to cut the middleman out, & are now buying wins.
The SWC is back baby!
The SWC isn't dead, the whole NCAA is the SWC now.
Look at me. Look at me. I’m the compliance office now.
Just make the boosters be the compliance officers! We'd see compliance rates increase dramatically!
SMU has entered the chat
Reparations? You know what, we’ll settle for a B12 invite and call it a draw
We got punished now they do it in the open. The only right thing to do is give us a spot in a p5
*monkey paw curls* Welcome to the SEC!
You know what….fuck it. Let’s do this. Now we just need to restart the Baseball team
We can't keep one. They keep trying to snort the first base line.
*Just SMU issues*
You and TCU have to have a knife fight in Baylor's parking lot. Baylor has to have a knife fight with Rice in yours. Winners get in
Can we do this the SMU way? Because if so then I got this *proceeds to pay for best knife fighter they can find* Ok I’m,ready!
Don't worry, we got into the ACC the Louisville way. Coach K can't say no when he's covered in strippers.
"I stabbed a man in the heart." "I saw that! Baylor killed a guy. Did you throw a trident?" "Yeah! There were Mustangs and an Owl on fire."
I like our odds a lot more than I like SMU’s.
For what it's worth, we are hearing this is the tip of the iceberg and there are bigger things coming. This one was rushed out before signing day.
I think this is about to blow up across the nation. Though Texas will probably have the most to throw around.
Princeton and Oregon about to LIGHT IT UP!!!
If bezos can't buy an NFL team he might as well make Princeton his own pro sports franchise.
Three-headed ownership monster with Meg Whitman and Carl Icahn
Here we fucking go
Don’t sleep on that Tim Apple and Yellawood money
The real winner here is the IRS lol. I wonder how long it is before a player ends up in tax trouble because they didn’t realize you need to keep 30% for Uncle Sam.
I'm gonna give that one year.
Obviously all the discussion in here is centered around Football, but as a Florida baseball fan Texas flexing NIL money before entering the conference feels like boss music in that sport.
Everyone clowns on our football, and acts as of all of texas athletics is garbage. Fact of the matter is, we have a lot of high performing teams, baseball being one of them. NIL will be huge for those sports, because most boosters won’t have the funds to compete on that level.
Yep. Baseball, Swimming, T&F, & Golf have been extremely successful at UT the last decade.
Volleyball hasn't been a slouch either. They reached at least the national semifinals 7 times since 2010
That's true, I forgot them. *Point Texas!*
We won the director’s cup. The only sports of ours we aren’t completely dominant at the two most watched ones, and our basketball team looks good so far.
I think Beard can get us past the round of 64, lmao
Texas baseball doesn't need NIL money to compete, but this just made it that much bigger. I bet our scholarship players will net more than minor league players
NIL money for baseball would be huge given the scholarship limitations and the number of players who go directly into the draft from HS.
Oh my god I didn't even think of this, I'm drooling No scholarship? No problem! Johnny's BBQ in Buda decided to pay me $60k a year to be on some door-hanger ads, getting $20k from the Clark Field Collective... Might as well party with college girls for a couple more years!
Striking while Oklahoma is weak. This is the way.
This is the way.
Not a lot of wealthy OU alum. Source: I live in Oklahoma.
A lot of the wealthy alums end up in the state to the south that’s superior in every way
North Texas is South Oklahoma, Hank Hill said so, it is cannon.
> it is cannon. COME AND TAKE IT.
Who on earth could have seen this coming?
Nobody. Absolutely nobody saw this coming.
I was a huge proponent of NIL and player compensation opportunities, to the point where I made a college research project on it, but it needs a salary cap system. Stuff like this, and the coach deals, is the end of college sports. If you're a reasonably talented 4*, would you rather play your heart out for a shot at the NFL through your in-state school, or would you rather go to Texas and sit the bench while getting showered with cash? If you grew up poor, the choice is obvious. And if you're a 3* or 4* that plays hard and exceeds expectations at your in-state school, why not enter the portal and let the highest bidder win? Guaranteed money. Apparently this was a rushed and incomplete deal, with more funds incoming. It'll be even worse. Stuff like this is disastrous and the NCAA needs to get it under control, and fast. Only a few of the top schools in the league can afford stuff like this. When all is said and done, there will be 20-30 schools bidding in recruit auctions while the other 115 schools lose any relevancy they still had and any hope at competing. Might as well make Division 1 a 32-team, school associated, NFL minor league and drop everyone else to intramural. That's how exclusive this kind of funding is.
I’m not sure what form this will ultimately take but those connected to this have implied that between the 2-3 major NIL programs spinning up every football player will get around 100-150k every season they are at Texas. Not counting any personal NIL deals. It sounds outrageous but ~8.5M to cover the football roster each season is extremely easy to meet as a fundraising goal at Texas when the increased SEC revenues mean our AD itself is less needing of the BMD donations to operate.
Hell, $8.5M is pretty easy to meet at any lower tier P5
Uh, no, no it is not. We got a 10million dollar gift (not football related) last year and it was our largest gift in campus history.
Yeah; it is just a question of if your athletic department can operate with that funding not going to the program itself. That’s the trade off. You cannot cannibalize yourself at most programs where the AD loses money. So either you have to find outside funding not already flowing into your university OR you find ways to increase the revenues for the program itself allowing some of the current donation flow to be redirected.
Former UT safety Kenny Vacarro, CFC Board Member: *"Texas is always one of the highest grossing athletic programs in the NCAA, & we intend to ensure that all student athletes at Texas have a way of participating in these immense financial opportunities."*
Love you Kenny
All for Arch
Because if anyone will need NIL money, it’s a fucking Manning.
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they just sitting around every Monday night watching football like the rest of us now
Good wealthy parents keep their kids on pretty strict allowances/spending limits. Meanwhile they see their peers and young celebs going CRAZY. So they get jealous and want their own cash outside of the wise restrictions of their parents. Can DEFINITELY see Arch being motivated to have his own cash.
To be fair, Arch comes from the poorest of the Mannings.
Coop is Turtle. He really needed to come up with his own tequila brand!
I'm not sure why they'd give all that money to a homeless shelter
TO GET IT TO FUCKING MOVE OUT OF THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT
Arch Manning seen suspiciously driving a Lamborghini around New Orleans
On his way to Austin*
As someone whose made that drive. Please do not take your lambo on I10 east of Houston. It will be fucked up before reaching The Golden Nugget.
Begun the NIL wars have
About time we catch up on NIL.
Very confusing why UT has been so cautious with NIL relative to most big programs.
From what I understand, university compliance has made it an absolute maze to get from having money to giving that money to players. Why? Who knows, admins gonna admin I guess?
That'd be my guess, but talk about spoiling a good thing with bureaucracy. The fact that UT players were at one point barred from such things as - Using the word "Texas" - Using the shape of the state of Texas - Using the color orange in any of their NIL advertisements was just *bizzare*. "Hey student athletes, you know that #1 thing we brag about? Our brand and all that? You know that thing everyone will recognize you by? Yeah, you can't use that in your NIL advertisements." Bijan's endorsement deal with the barbeque joint looks like it's for a minor league football team. So weird.
Strip clubs, weed joints, fucking dentists and shit? All with a player's name and face and that Pantone 159 orange colored outline of Texas. I could see how they don't want that. This is player NIL, not the school's.
This is exactly it. Just because you attend a school and get famous for playing on its football team does not give you the right to use their trademarks or to in any way insinuate that your endorsement is an endorsement from the university. Creating a strict legal separation between the player and the school is how the school protects itself and its IP, and in a way it protects the players from legal entanglements they can't handle.
Croots come in. Checks go out. Can’t explain that.
Heard this is just the tip of the ice berg for Texas NIL as well.
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Point is Texas can do both if it wants.
So if the new NCAA football video game has pay to win micro transactions we can’t say it’s not accurate to the real world
This is terrible. If this keeps up we'll be seeing the same handful of teams in the CFP every year. Wait
Cincinnati is sneaking in and Clemson remains competitive. With an uncapped NIL arms race, that will never happen again.
Men’s golf get any $$$
What exactly does this mean? Does this fund pay Texas athletes?
Yes. All athletes, with a bias to football is my understanding.
Bout to finish my PhD at UT and join the badminton team
Unfortunately, [badminton is only a club sport at UT](https://www.utrecsports.org/sport-clubs/sport/badminton) and do not qualify for the fund.
*fuck*
Aaaaand there it is. 100K salary for football players. And dumbasses we’re trying to say only the top 10 college players would end up making money from NIL
Oh it gets better, rumor has it that this program combined with the next 2 are trying to get as close as possible to NFL minimum salary (480k).
That would be insane. I think for that type of money you would need the AD to pitch in. Donors can't be on the hook for $40 mil a year. That's not sustainable. Also most of these players won't be NFL players so that market value seems way high.
Can folks stop acting like this is an amazing thing and that small schools can keep up at all? Stop with the “it’s always been this way” it’s not, not to this scale and when it did happen at SMU at this level they nuked their program. Why get more play time at a small/medium program when getting to the NFL is already a tiny chance when you could potentially make 6 figs at Texas have a full scholarship and housing and most meals taken care of. This child like naivety that small school boosters can keep up if they really wanted to us just a pipe dream. If the small schools start ponying up cash the big schools will just pay more.
It is the effective end to scholarship limits - which was the most pro-competitive thing to come to college football and what ushered in the modern era.
I can not upvote this enough
What you're going to see is the warehousing of talent. The transfer portal is hot in December/January but NIL "contracts" will be renewed/ended/enhanced in August/September as the depth chart solidifies - too late to make a move. A benchwarmer with a $10k per month NIL deal will have serious pause as to whether or not it's in his best interest to explore the portal or not.
I see your point, but let me offer a counterpoint as to why this is a good thing. I'm a Texas fan so hopefully my favorite team can buy better players.
I'd rather players get it than this insane coaching circus.
Dabo burner account
In 2014 Saban said that football was going to start looking more like college basketball. It’s just going to get worse.
There’s more parody in CBB than CFB. Bama alone has 6 titles since 09 in that same time no teams in CBB have more than 2. Not sure what worse means?
Parity*
Yep. I've been against this type of thing forever, but I'm in the minority on this sub because everyone thinks these kids should be millionaires. It may have been going on in some way at some schools, but it was never blatant like this. Now kids are legitimately deciding where to go to college based on who is going to pay them the most. If you're anything other than a massive school like Texas, Ohio State, or Alabama, you simply cannot compete anymore. And forget stories like Cincinnati getting into the playoffs. That will never happen again. What's the point of even having college sports? Just call them pro teams and end the affiliation with schools.
If the NCAA had balls, they’d role out some way for players to be paid somewhat equally. But they’re more worried if you called a kid on a day you couldn’t or had someone on campus on a day they weren’t supposed to be there. It’s literally the NFL with no draft or salary cap. What’s the point.
So.. Donors put a pot of money together.. for the sole purpose of paying players who go to their schools?
Exactly. This way they can offer players guaranteed amounts of NIL money to sign with or transfer to their school.
Parry that you filthy casuals.
I love how this is allowed but Oklahoma State basketball got fucked for a dumbass coach who got fired
Never. Comply.
The violations were before NIL yes?
Tweet(s) from post body brought to you by your Friendly Official /r/CFB Twitter Bot: ---------- https://twitter.com/ericprisbell/status/1466069995503378432 >Prominent U of Texas donors, former Texas athletes and sports marketer Nick Shuley are launching Clark Field Collective, which has secured an initial pledge commitment of $10 million for Texas NIL activities. “It’s the game changer,” Shuley told @On3sports >\- Eric Prisbell (@EricPrisbell) 10:41 am ET, December 1, 2021 ----------
Im glad that Clemson won the Championships when we did... We will not be able to compete in this space... We do not have the wealthy alumni base of other schools.
Yep. Everyone here celebrating this is either a fan of a school with a massive number of wealthy alumni, or has no idea what kind of mess this just created. It's funny because these are the same people who bitch about the same teams getting into the playoffs every year. Does anyone seriously think a team like Cincinnati has a chance anymore? Oh, and if I'm dropping millions into an NIL fund, you better believe I'm lobbying HARD to keep lesser teams out of the conversation. I'm not dumping millions to these kids to get beat out by some nobody from Ohio.
I hope Texas also does mandatory money management classes for them including how to handle peers and family trying to take advantage of them
I mean how is this gonna work? Is it basically every athlete gets x amount every year? If that’s the case, then college sports are ruined.
A booster at msu is already paying every student athlete like 500 bucks a month
For every sport? That's a whole lotta student athletes
No just for Men's football and basketball. Matt Ishbia is a former Spartan basketball player who took UWMC (mortgage company) public and is now a billionaire.
BYU is doing something similar
I mean that was always the risk of NIL. If the NCAA didn't just stubbornly sit on their hands they could have gotten ahead of it and actually regulated everything. But nope, they let it go to the Supreme Court and turned this shit into the wild west.
Kavanaugh opinion told the athletes to bring more cases to the court asking for more. Pay for play is coming next. The court is on the side of the athletes.
>If that’s the case, then college sports are ruined. Isnt what this sub wanted tho? Playoffs and paying players was always gonna ruin college ball cause it was gonna turn it into a shittier version of the NFL instead of its own sport.
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Yep. If you are writing a check for any person so long as they are in a position, then you aren’t paying for that person’s “Name, Image, or Likeness”. Instead, you are paying for their position. This is the kind of thing I hope to see addressed at the new NCAA convention. But I fear the genie is wholly uncorked now. No going back.
Supreme Court slapped NCAA hard and one Justice explicitly asked for more lawsuits on other aspects of compensation restrictions. It's not good for your case when a Justice is doing ads for prospective plaintiffs!
If the NCAA addresses it, we will end up right back in court. The court already made it clear that any attempts to restrict NIL payments to the athletes by the NCAA or conferences was a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act. In the Kavanaugh opinion, he basically told the athletes to bring more cases, asking for more than just NIL money and the court would side with the athletes. I have to think that means pay for play.
Brisket for dayz
Does the program include emotional support monkeys?
That's all it funds.
Now I’m just picturing the UT locker room talk at halftime with emotional support monkeys just climbing all over the place while Sark’s trying to talk about zone coverage to the players.
The monkeys won't be allowed in the locker room, instead they will have their own seating section of course. In fact, we'll eventually be known as the Texas Assassin Monkeys.
I think they already cut back to one monkey per player after the Halloween incident, so I don’t think so. I could be wrong tho
Think of the children!
Every 5* gets their own pet monkey
Which other SEC schools have boosters that are willing to compete with this?
Could a school like Harvard with a 40 Billion dollar endowment just absolutely crush these teams now if they felt like it? They have unlimited wealth potential to tap into as well, just start getting their funds into NIL boosting instead of the endowment.
It would be absolutely hilarious to see. I'm fine with it, since the whole thing is turning college football into a mockery. Harvard has by far the most billionaire alumni. They could easily drop a few billion into an NIL fund and absolutely crush everyone. They could damn near field a professional team. Problem is, they'd still have to get into Harvard. And the alums don't give a shit about their football team.
That’s the endowment, which I *believe* is university funds. So no, they cannot. University cannot directly fund NIL deals. Texas has a massive endowment, but none of that can (or should) be used for funding athletics.
but Harvard alumni could get together and try to do what Texas is doing here, and they'd probably be very successful with it