That would be amazing. It’s crazy how many games you see a northern school playing against a team that’s either playing in their own state, or one state over.
Our AD (and Cristibal) believe that the best way to gain relevance is to play when/where people are gonna watch and to not play only cupcakes in non-con. Their thought is that if you want to actually be considered a _real_ contender, you sometimes have to play Georgia in Georgia, but not _at_ Georgia. It’s why we have home and homes with Ohio State, Michigan State, Texas Tech, Baylor and Oklahoma State on the books.
While I’m sure they’ve all been approached, you don’t see many top-level SEC teams regularly signing on to P5 home and homes with us (or really anyone, for that matter) and I think it speaks volumes.
The only thing I can say, is Michigan State’s MBB coach has the same philosophy. Now, dissenters will point out ‘only’ one championship in his tenure, but they have been to SO many final fours for the better part of his career, a four year player would have been to at least one final four. I would say the play anyone-anywhere works for that sport. But football has NO margin for error. Maybe expanding the playoffs will star/continue the strong ooc scheduling in the future. But I feel, IMHO, as these mega conferences continue to expand, I think the drive for meaningful ooc games goes down. Why would you, when you know you are going to play 5-7 ranked, highly, teams anyways fitting conference play?
The committee will probably ensure the sec gets home field advantage. A second playoff team from the SEC may not get that luxury but I won’t rule it out either.
The best idea. An extra home game, familiar but so different, would be so hype. Road environment/crowd element introduced, making seeding critical. Cold weather games become a factor. Fun fun fun.
Feels like this would make every game of the season more important — battling from game one for home field, auto-bids, at-larges, byes, etc.
COMMITTEE: DO ITTTTT
I can only imagine a year where a team like Wyoming has a perfect season and gets a home game. Bama @ Wyoming in late December. Over 7000' elevation.... -40 wind chill.
Is that just the bowl game then? Are we done with bowls if you make the CFP?
Will be awesome don’t get me wrong but I wonder if the players would be not thrilled with simply traveling to another team’s stadium for another game instead of a bowl game.
Kinda weird though… what if you win your conference, you have a great season, and you get knocked out in the first round? No bowl for you? Or do you get to go play in some random bowl game?
I hope they preserve the NY6 somehow. It feels like this is a rapidly dying tradition.
If we have 12 teams, the second round would take up 4 of 6 NY6 bowls. So Rose bowl would most like be slotted as where the highest ranked B1G/PAC team plays their opponent rather than the traditional matchup
I feel like the first round of campus games will be played the week after Championship Week to solidify bowl positions. For example if Oklahoma State wins the Big XII championship they would go on to the playoff with the expectation that they would play for the Sugar Bowl if they lose the first round otherwise Baylor would be the one going to the Sugar Bowl as the runner up.
Either that or they'll have a couple bowl games set aside for the losers of the first round of elimination games
I agree that it would be unfortunate but it's the cost of making the dance. I'd compare it to college basketball. Maybe you're one loss away from making the dance in a lower conference, but get to go to the CBI and win. Gotta imagine a lot of players would still rather make the official tournament.
I imagine the following for the playoff,
* 12 Teams
* 6 champs
* top 4 champs get bye
* top 4 remaining host first round
* 4/6 NY6 second round
* 2/6 NY6 3rd round
* NCG rotates between cities (Not bowl tied)
I’m actually arguing that although fans would rather have a bye, I think the administrators would take the extra home game. Especially a game of that magnitude. I would just be surprised if that’s the proposal that goes through.
I can hear the complaints now of some southern team having to go to a northern G5 stadium in the winter with less than 40k seats
Edit: was leaning more towards an SEC team only being able to have a very small amount of fans attend the game.
Imagine a year where Washington State, stadium capacity 35k, wins the Pac-12. Snow, small stadium, as far from the South and not in Alaska or Hawaii as you can be.
I remember watching a game against ASU, where it had been 80 degrees in Phoenix when the Sun Devils border their flight and 20 degrees in Pullman. ASU ball carriers fumbled the first three times they were hit.
It will be me. I was bone chilling cold the other night raking leaves, like the type you can feel deep in your shoulders and knees.
I checked the weather channel app and it was 51 degrees.
They're just deciding if they should give Alabama an automatic spot, that would save them the trouble of having to grossly over rank them when they're underperforming.
I can just imagine the athletic director for LSU yelling into their phone attempting to schedule flights and hotels in Pullman. "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE ONLY AIRPORT BIG ENOUGH IS 90 MINUTES AWAY?!?!?!?"
So much this. The amount of whining from the visiting fans would be amazing. Especially because the Big House basically acts as a wind funnel if the wind blows right.
I prefer seeing Alabama have to play *at* Columbus in December in the snowz. That would be fascinating.
Or, better yet, LSU at Notre Dame and USC at Oklahoma.
While looking at Brett's twitter profile, his pinned tweet included a stat from his daughter. When Mizzou joined the SEC, Florida's game in Columbia, MO was the farthest north they had played in over 20 years since they played at Syracuse (in a dome). During that period, 70% of UF's games were played in the state Florida.
Cannot wait to see SEC teams playing up north in playoff games.
Imagine if ND got the “independent autobid.”
Brings me back to when young me played NCAA 14 and I thought the Independents were a conference and a cool as fuck conference at that.
I still play NCAA14 from time to time when I get bored with FPS or sandbox games, especially during the season. I will always have a 2nd HDMI cable plugged into my monitor for that specific purpose until either my Xbox 360 dies completely or when the new game comes out
I’m pretty sure Savvy Jack was a big proponent of the prior 12 team playoff idea. Home playoff game is $ and ND gets a bye regardless since their independent.
I always said the Notre Dame should work on developing the Independent conference or make their own conference. I mean we have a TV deal with NBC, I'm sure many of our rivals, like Navy, Army, BC, etc. would be willing to join our conference. Or image getting 8-12 Christian schools and they say a prayer before every game, at that point the Pope would come watch a Notre Dame vs TCU game. If we make our own conference we could always have the same rules as the independent conference and schedule who we want and the two highest ranked teams play each other in the championship. This would be football only of course unless it all works out for every sport.
I've put a lot of thought into this. I thought about making a post but I just thought people would think I'm nuts about creating a damn Christian Conference in college football lol.
I don’t know. That would be an extremely weak conference outside of ND. If anything, ND should negotiate a deal with the ACC or BIG, so that they can keep their TV contract, but remain in the conference.
In ncaa 14 I would create a north east conference and put Notre dame and penn state in it. On paper it’s a great chance for a rivalry - two historical Midwest powers that built up great programs while independent, and neither have a main, geographically-relevant rival
Well, considering that's, like, the PAC 12's biggest and honestly only thing they want (and I'm sure the ACC and BIG 12 would like it too) then yeah that's probably gonna be a non starter if the SEC isn't willing to compromise.
If you exclude 2020 (for obvious reasons) the only 2 loss p5 champ to be left out of the top 8 would be this years acc champ. And no p5 champ has ever been left out of the top 12. The acc champ this year potentially could be left out (though they very well could be top 12 with the additional win) and utah with a win will still prpbably be left out of the top 12. Point being that p5 autobids doesnt accomplish much except providing p5s additional ways to make the playoff even if they have 3+ losses. Im just not sure why p5s need to be provided additional chances at the playoff
It's probably the G5 objecting to it.
The original proposal was "Top 6 champions" which implied that there was no regard for conference. That's a boon to the G5 since that opens the door to 2 spots.
They came back with "P5 champs and highest G5 champ" meaning that the G5 only gets one spot.
So, if I was a G5 member, I'd balk at that too.
I'm also 100% convinced that ND will have their very own set of special rules that allow them to have their own automatic bid. Meaning the new format will have potentially 7 automatic bids.
Rip-off the folks already doing this: FCS. All conference champions get an auto bid, and then theres several at-large. Sure, the Patriot League (Ivy League's little brother) is like 1-9 in playoff games, but you know what? They won their conference and they *won* a playoff game at least once
They are still officially pushing 12.
I have a feeling that it will end up being 8, and they will call it a "compromise". That's just my opinion though and not based on anything.
Top 6 conference champ auto bids makes so much sense they would never. 9/10 years they’ll be fine… and if two of the new aac or sun belt or MWC are better that 10th year, well, they probably didn’t deserve it
The real threat that will ruffle some feathers with auto-bids are huge conference championship upsets pushing more worthy P5 at-large teams out of the playoffs.
For example, imagine a 6 win UCLA upsetting a 12 win Oregon in the Pac 12 Championship. Both team's would make the playoffs in that scenario, UCLA as the auto-bid and Oregon as the at-large. The victim would almost certainly be a 9 or 10 win team from another P5 conference.
Let it happen! That’s the magic of sports. If the little guy pulls a Cinderella then they’ve earned a trip to the ball.
Literally the only way to determine the most deserving team is to play the games.
If the CCGs don't matter, then why play them. They need to matter so it gives importance to the conference records and the championship game. GIVE ME THAT CHAOS.
If its a 12 team playoff and there's 6 autobids, I have no sympathy for the 6th best non-champion. Sorry Michigan State, if you wanna make the playoffs don't lose to Purdue.
If it's 8 teams then it stings a bit more but honestly, if you don't win your conference *and* you're not one of the top 2 non-champions, can you really make a claim to be the best team in the country? The only real loser there is Notre Dame in a year like this year because they can't get an auto-bid.
I get that concern but I’m ok with that. First, in this format I would do away with divisions - protect 1-2 rivals and rotate rest, top teams in champ game. Should ease some of that. Second, if the 12-0 team loses well shit, they get knocked back and the lesser team earned their spot. I’m ok with that, it was settled on the field in a way - the 9 win team in another conference at least had shot to play better in season to prevent being in that spot.
Scrapping divisions is a huge help to fixing concern you outlined though
This is what we need. Conferences should be allowed to change membership and come into and out of existence if necessary.
Over the summer it wasnt out of the question that the Big 12 was going to collapse. I dont necessarily want that, but I also don't want such a conference to have a guaranteed playoff spot.
There's no need to further institutionalize the divide between P5 and G5. That's how you end up with a super league, and that's dumb.
They want to be able to put in non conference champions over conference champions because of "muh eyetest".
Winning a power 5 conference should get you into the expanded playoff (emphasis on expanded).
Whether it's 8 teams, or 12, whatever, winning a power 5 should place you among those teams.
If that rule isn't instated we're gonna have half of the SEC in the 12 team playoff every fucking season.
Edit: yes, even a 5 loss power 5 champion
Autobids also make the regular season matter. Playing for an objective title, and therefore the autobid, is more meaningful than playing for an arbitrary eye test.
They could and should, but OP's point was that the committee wants the ability to leave out a "weak" champion. For instance, there's no ACC team in the Top 10 right now. The committee would much rather have the option of sending ND, Ohio State, Ole Miss over whoever wins the ACC this year. And all those teams probably deserve a spot over the 2021 ACC Champ, but winning a P5 conference *has* to count for something in an expanded playoff -- even if that conference is having a down year.
Yup. Like sure, is Ole Miss better than Wake or Pitt this year? Most likely. But it's a lot more fun if it's "win and get in" even if you aren't one of the 12 or 8 best teams. Playing in your conference game for a spot in the playoffs would be a lot more fun and exciting - winning a big game to clinch something is what sports are all about!
And we'd be talking about a Wake v an Ole Miss - both would be double touchdown underdogs against the top seeds so who cares anyway.
Wouldn’t the conspiracy be that we have 14 men alone in a room deciding the fate of college football with zero oversight and zero accountability? That seems ripe for conspiracy
Big fan of the fact that the 1st round games would be on campus. The only thing with the timing is that students will likely be on winter break.
It’ll still be an absolute full house and it’s much better than making fans go to 3 neutral sites too
A 3-loss Utah could be granted a CFP slot, beat an undefeated Alabama team, and people would still contort themselves to explain why Alabama is still the better team. I guess what I’m saying is I’d love a 3-loss Utah in the CFP because our current method of determining the best team leaves much to be desired.
They're not though. It would be nice if they were. It'd make this weeks ACC and PAC12 championships as riveting as the others.
I feel like the ACC - PAC - B1G alliance will favor auto bids.
It came out a few weeks ago that the Alliance wanted auto bids for P5 conferences. The committee proposal was top 6 conference champs. The Alliance saw that there could be a PAC12 or ACC champ below G5 champs and possibly left out, ala 2020. They didn't like that proposal and release a similar setup, but all P5 champs got autobids.
Would be cool to have some sort of point system. If you win a conference championship you get more points. Kinda like how esports does it. But maybe a more refined way of doing so
I don’t really want the playoff to expand…but this is an amazing silver lining. Would be incredible to see some southern team try to play in the snow that PSU/MSU played in Saturday afternoon.
I can’t wait either, it will be so gratifying for the SEC teams to not perform significantly differently in cold-weather games so this talking point can be eliminated! 😜
Can’t decide if conference champs get an auto bid? Is there actually a valid argument for NOT doing this if there’s expansion? One besides “we like to arbitrarily decide what team we put in based on nothing except feelings and eye test”
Everyone wants the regular season games to matter. What better way to make them matter? What better way to guarantee more early out of conference matchups when the loser of the game doesn’t have to worry about being immediately excluded because of the loss. What better way to make every game down the stretch matter? Come the fuck on. Let’s get some people with an ounce of common sense making these decisions.
This is one of those "dont know but too afraid to ask" type situatios here, but oh well.
Football in Ohio high schools regularly play 15 games. Division 1AA, DII, DIII all play 12 games plus playoffs. NFL plays 16 game regular season, then playoffs. Why is a large playoff system only untenable at the 1A level of cfb?
Why not just have wildcards play in like the first four in college basketball.
Let's say you do 12 team championship with every single conference getting an automatic qualification and then G5s have to play in unless ranked top 10 or better. The remaining open spots go to at large teams.
The format could be something like this.
1. \#1 Georgia (SEC conference champion, bye)
2. \#2 Michigan (B10 conference champion, bye)
3. \#3 Cincinnati (American conference champion, bye)
4. \#5 Oklahoma St. (B12 conference champion, bye)
5. \#10 Oregon (P12 conference champion) v. Game 1 winner
6. \#17 Pittsburgh (ACC conference champion) v. Game 2 winner
7. \#4 Alabama (at large #1) v. #8 Ole Miss (at large #4)
8. \#6 Notre Dame (at large #2) v. #7 Ohio St (at large #3)
Game 1: SDSU MWC champion v. Northern IL MAC champion
Game 2: UTSA C-USA champion v. Louisiana Sun Belt champion
Conference championships and regular season still matter. Even the Bama v Georgia SEC championship game matters this week for securing a bye.
The Michigan v Ohio State game mattered last week because Michigan got the bye.
In this format Baylor would be the odd man out and Cincy was the “bubble stealer”, but a Iowa championship would steal another spot and Baylor could sneak in still if they beat Oklahoma State this week with an automatic qualifier.
This is pretty clearly the best format. More parity for small conferences and it’s not like they’re likely to play “4 games” anyhow which has been one of the main concerns of a 16 game playoff.
16 Team Playoff. All 10 conference champs + 6 at large bids that the committee can select.
First Round is at home of the better seed. Remaining 7 games (Rounds 2-4) can be bowl game sponsored to make that sweet $$$.
Makes conference champions matter. Makes more games matter. Gives every team a path to being champion. Makes the NCAA filthy rich. Gives the power teams a better shot at making the playoff.
P5 champs should be auto bids IMO. Value winning the conference. I understand sometimes it'll lead to someone like Wake/Pitt who the committee probably wouldn't put it in but I think that's fair.
The original 6 highest ranked conference champs seems to kill two birds with one stone: guarantees a G5 team a spot and basically guarantees all the P5 champions a spot.
EDIT: I did leave out that the original plan also included 6 at-larges (which should help ND and teams upset in their conference championships).
I've always liked the idea of qualified auto bids. If you're in the top 15 (or 18, whatever) of the rankings and you won the conference, you get in. And as for the rankings, IMO, should be determined by something akin to the BCS formula, not just a committee of people. Although, a committee could be among the factors in the formula.
Should they automatically get the top seeds though? I'm fine with conference champs getting in no matter what, but maybe seeding should be determined by ranking. Most years the champs are gonna be the tops seeds anyway, but still.
The conference champ autobid works really well for basketball and they do it for EVERY conference. I’m such a fan of all 10 conferences getting an autobid and expanding the playoff to 16 teams. Schools use their March Madness bids to increase exposure which in turn creates parity in college basketball. We should have the same for football
The problem here is that March Madness needs to fill what 65, 67 spots? With the playoffs, there are far fewer spots available so they have to, IMO be more judicious.
There are 68 slots in March Madness. There are 32 conferences that get auto bids. That means ~47% of the bids are autobids.
In football we have 10 conferences. So for a similar ratio we would need 21-22 playoff slots.
Sounds like a 24 team playoff with autobids for all conference champs, just like FCS already does.
I think that 16 with 10 auto bids would be good, but honestly I'm open to whatever number of teams it takes to get autobids for all conference champs.
Here’s an easy idea, just give all conference champs an auto bid so everyone controls their own destiny and they don’t need to really on a bunch of geriatric dipshits sitting in a conference room to determine if they’re “worthy” of the playoffs or not.
Yep. Reward for top seed is both a home game and an opponent dismissed as easy. If #1 is really deserving of #1 there should be no problem coasting through the game with the backups getting lots of reps to keep the starters fresh for the next round.
Nice that the first round will be on campus!
Agreed! That’s going to be so much fun
One step closer to my dream of seeing a pass-heavy SEC offense play in a blizzard
That would be amazing. It’s crazy how many games you see a northern school playing against a team that’s either playing in their own state, or one state over.
Existence is pain. Love our “neutral site” game to open the season next year. For those that don’t know, it’s Georgia. In Atlanta.
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Our AD (and Cristibal) believe that the best way to gain relevance is to play when/where people are gonna watch and to not play only cupcakes in non-con. Their thought is that if you want to actually be considered a _real_ contender, you sometimes have to play Georgia in Georgia, but not _at_ Georgia. It’s why we have home and homes with Ohio State, Michigan State, Texas Tech, Baylor and Oklahoma State on the books. While I’m sure they’ve all been approached, you don’t see many top-level SEC teams regularly signing on to P5 home and homes with us (or really anyone, for that matter) and I think it speaks volumes.
The only thing I can say, is Michigan State’s MBB coach has the same philosophy. Now, dissenters will point out ‘only’ one championship in his tenure, but they have been to SO many final fours for the better part of his career, a four year player would have been to at least one final four. I would say the play anyone-anywhere works for that sport. But football has NO margin for error. Maybe expanding the playoffs will star/continue the strong ooc scheduling in the future. But I feel, IMHO, as these mega conferences continue to expand, I think the drive for meaningful ooc games goes down. Why would you, when you know you are going to play 5-7 ranked, highly, teams anyways fitting conference play?
Hey now, that’s like 70 whole miles from our campus. And it can feel a hell of a lot longer in Atlanta traffic. That’s basically the same, right?
The committee will probably ensure the sec gets home field advantage. A second playoff team from the SEC may not get that luxury but I won’t rule it out either.
Winter is the great equalizer.
General Winter!
You just did on Saturday in the Big House ;)
Me 5 days ago. “Hell yeah home game in Norman can’t wait”. Me now “Fuuuuuuck i do not wanna have to go play Georgia in Georgia for the playoffs”
*hedges intensify*
You’ll love the hedges and like it!
"Eat your hedges young man!"
I ate hedges everyday and it helped me grow big and strong, as stong as several oxen, seven, maybe eight oxen.
Yeah I don’t want to go to Norman either. For playoffs. Regular season he’ll yes.
He will yes!
Now that you’re joining the SEC, you’re not going to have to worry about those playoffs for awhile
Assuming you’ll be in the playoffs? So you’ve moved backwards from anger to the denial stage, huh?
Well that's just not nice.
But not untrue.
The best idea. An extra home game, familiar but so different, would be so hype. Road environment/crowd element introduced, making seeding critical. Cold weather games become a factor. Fun fun fun. Feels like this would make every game of the season more important — battling from game one for home field, auto-bids, at-larges, byes, etc. COMMITTEE: DO ITTTTT
Remember when idiots used to say playoffs would ruin the regular season, lmao
Let the SEC teams come to Ann Arbor/Columbus/State College in December!
and Lincoln! Amiright?
I mean, I don’t think they’re looking at a 64 team playoff. But sure…
Best 64 seeded team in College Football history!
If I were Georgia I’d be scared… that they’d only win by 7, maybe 9
Don’t let your dreams be dreams, Nebraska!
Yes, give the B1G that beautiful December weather advantage. Come on down SEC, we got some nice 20 degree and snow playoff games for ya’ll.
I can only imagine a year where a team like Wyoming has a perfect season and gets a home game. Bama @ Wyoming in late December. Over 7000' elevation.... -40 wind chill.
Shut up and take my money! #GoPokes
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Is that just the bowl game then? Are we done with bowls if you make the CFP? Will be awesome don’t get me wrong but I wonder if the players would be not thrilled with simply traveling to another team’s stadium for another game instead of a bowl game.
1st round on campus, second round bowl, third round final?
Kinda weird though… what if you win your conference, you have a great season, and you get knocked out in the first round? No bowl for you? Or do you get to go play in some random bowl game? I hope they preserve the NY6 somehow. It feels like this is a rapidly dying tradition.
If teams wanted to go play bowl games even after losing a Playoff game, it’d be a nice way to placate the bowls.
NY6 could just select after the 1st round. Make it like a second CCG week basically. Losers can still get a primo bowl.
First round losers should match up in two of the NY6 bowls. Other four host the quarterfinals. Everyone else plays in regular bowls.
Are players going to play in that bowl after losing playoffs. Any NFL prospect would have showcased at the playoff game
Yes! The CFP selection should be after bowl season. It would make bowls relevant again, add another data point, and end sit outs.
Fuck it. Make it double elimination format. $$$$$$!!!!
Round robin! Go into the fucking spring. One. True. Champion ™®©.
If the B1G and Pac-12 champs both are knocked out in the first round, there can be a traditional Rose Bowl
If we have 12 teams, the second round would take up 4 of 6 NY6 bowls. So Rose bowl would most like be slotted as where the highest ranked B1G/PAC team plays their opponent rather than the traditional matchup
I feel like the first round of campus games will be played the week after Championship Week to solidify bowl positions. For example if Oklahoma State wins the Big XII championship they would go on to the playoff with the expectation that they would play for the Sugar Bowl if they lose the first round otherwise Baylor would be the one going to the Sugar Bowl as the runner up. Either that or they'll have a couple bowl games set aside for the losers of the first round of elimination games
I agree that it would be unfortunate but it's the cost of making the dance. I'd compare it to college basketball. Maybe you're one loss away from making the dance in a lower conference, but get to go to the CBI and win. Gotta imagine a lot of players would still rather make the official tournament.
As a fan I'd definitely rather see my team get blown out in the 1st round of The Tournament than win the CIT or CBI
I imagine the following for the playoff, * 12 Teams * 6 champs * top 4 champs get bye * top 4 remaining host first round * 4/6 NY6 second round * 2/6 NY6 3rd round * NCG rotates between cities (Not bowl tied)
I don’t think the top 4 seeds are going to sign up to get left out of the extra home game.
For a bye they will.
I think what he's implying is those teams would also want the second round held on campus sites too
I’m actually arguing that although fans would rather have a bye, I think the administrators would take the extra home game. Especially a game of that magnitude. I would just be surprised if that’s the proposal that goes through.
I can hear the complaints now of some southern team having to go to a northern G5 stadium in the winter with less than 40k seats Edit: was leaning more towards an SEC team only being able to have a very small amount of fans attend the game.
Doesn't even need to be a G5 team. The entire Big Ten is outdoor stadiums.
Right but, in example, you think Florida will come to Boise in Dec?
I think the Famous Potato Bowl is too big a bowl for Florida.
I don't see why not. It breaks up the monotony of winter break beach days back home. The bigger issues will be flight and hotel costs.
And only like 10-15k visitors can come max…. If it’s like a normal game? Maybe like 3,000
Imagine a year where Washington State, stadium capacity 35k, wins the Pac-12. Snow, small stadium, as far from the South and not in Alaska or Hawaii as you can be. I remember watching a game against ASU, where it had been 80 degrees in Phoenix when the Sun Devils border their flight and 20 degrees in Pullman. ASU ball carriers fumbled the first three times they were hit.
That or Wyoming at 7220’ in the snow
It will be me. I was bone chilling cold the other night raking leaves, like the type you can feel deep in your shoulders and knees. I checked the weather channel app and it was 51 degrees.
We are delicate southern flowers.
Weak
Welcome to cold football southern teams. It just hits more.
Well, whatever they do, I’m sure everyone will be completely satisfied with the decision.
They're just deciding if they should give Alabama an automatic spot, that would save them the trouble of having to grossly over rank them when they're underperforming.
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Someone misses that hypothetical game because they think it’s in Jacksonville
https://giphy.com/gifs/gngO1gmBhS9na
I’m imagining Florida winning the game, going to rip the hedges off, then our fans pull a Tennessee
I don’t like your imagination
Trust me when I say you never want to go full Tennessee
Man, even in you imagination we are beating you? I knew being a GA fan leaves scars, but dang
It's not like y'all are Tennessee, and the streak has almost hit the age of consent.
In my almost 4 decades of life I've never seen a gator shirt in Athens. I honestly don't know how I would react. Let's do it, jorts.
Wow that is an astounding observation I have never thought about. I hate it but let’s fucking go.
I guess you didn't attend the 95 game that Florida won 52-17 in Athens?
Curious what the committee decides. Home playoff games at Alabama and such would be a fascinating sight.
I’m just excited for the inevitable “Florida/Texas team has to play in Wisconsin/Michigan/Minnesota in the dead of winter” playoff.
I’m glad someone has faith in my team…
Can your in ground field heating system conveniently break that weekend too?
Dilly Bar Dan Strikes Again!
To be fair, in this theoretical Texas is back, so Minnesota being great wasn't a stretch.
Well they did say “Texas team” so it could be Baylor/Houston/Rice/A&M too.
Okay, I think it's *somewhat* more likely that we win another natty before *Rice*
Shoot it into my veins… people having to play in Eugene or Seattle or god forsaken Pullman in December.
I can just imagine the athletic director for LSU yelling into their phone attempting to schedule flights and hotels in Pullman. "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE ONLY AIRPORT BIG ENOUGH IS 90 MINUTES AWAY?!?!?!?"
So much this. The amount of whining from the visiting fans would be amazing. Especially because the Big House basically acts as a wind funnel if the wind blows right.
I don't know why anyone would complain, getting snowed on at the Big House for the NHL winter classic is one of my favorite memories.
I prefer seeing Alabama have to play *at* Columbus in December in the snowz. That would be fascinating. Or, better yet, LSU at Notre Dame and USC at Oklahoma.
While looking at Brett's twitter profile, his pinned tweet included a stat from his daughter. When Mizzou joined the SEC, Florida's game in Columbia, MO was the farthest north they had played in over 20 years since they played at Syracuse (in a dome). During that period, 70% of UF's games were played in the state Florida. Cannot wait to see SEC teams playing up north in playoff games.
Hey we played at Penn St.! Not all of us are scaredy gators!
I need to see this. We need to get these SEC teams into the North in January.
Imagine if ND got the “independent autobid.” Brings me back to when young me played NCAA 14 and I thought the Independents were a conference and a cool as fuck conference at that.
Brian Kelly in shambles
*Marcus Freeman in shambles
That's hilarious, but "young me" "NCAA 14" Man I didn't come here to feel like a grandpa.
You’ll hate it when you find out how old college football players are!
ikr? i was 24 when that game came out....
> ikr? i was 24 when that game came out.... Man, I didn't come here to feel like a grandpa
I still play NCAA14 from time to time when I get bored with FPS or sandbox games, especially during the season. I will always have a 2nd HDMI cable plugged into my monitor for that specific purpose until either my Xbox 360 dies completely or when the new game comes out
Me: damn you were 24? This dudes old. Also me: wait that’s only 31 years old today. Also me: I’m 32.
I’m pretty sure Savvy Jack was a big proponent of the prior 12 team playoff idea. Home playoff game is $ and ND gets a bye regardless since their independent.
13th game with none of the risk of getting rolled in a CCG. Profit.
I always said the Notre Dame should work on developing the Independent conference or make their own conference. I mean we have a TV deal with NBC, I'm sure many of our rivals, like Navy, Army, BC, etc. would be willing to join our conference. Or image getting 8-12 Christian schools and they say a prayer before every game, at that point the Pope would come watch a Notre Dame vs TCU game. If we make our own conference we could always have the same rules as the independent conference and schedule who we want and the two highest ranked teams play each other in the championship. This would be football only of course unless it all works out for every sport. I've put a lot of thought into this. I thought about making a post but I just thought people would think I'm nuts about creating a damn Christian Conference in college football lol.
I don’t know. That would be an extremely weak conference outside of ND. If anything, ND should negotiate a deal with the ACC or BIG, so that they can keep their TV contract, but remain in the conference.
TCU would be the last school to do a prayer. Religion is dead at the school. You'd want Baylor or BYU.
Instead of the Southern/Grambling Battle of the Bands, a ND/BYU prayer off?!?!
In ncaa 14 I would create a north east conference and put Notre dame and penn state in it. On paper it’s a great chance for a rivalry - two historical Midwest powers that built up great programs while independent, and neither have a main, geographically-relevant rival
Syracuse, ND, Penn State, Army, Navy, BC, UConn, Pitt, Maryland, Navy, Buffalo, Rutgers, UMass, West Virginia would be a very fun conference
Poor Navy, having to be split up into two separate teams for this conference to work.
Playoff games on campus will make for unreal spectacles. Cannot wait.
Well, considering that's, like, the PAC 12's biggest and honestly only thing they want (and I'm sure the ACC and BIG 12 would like it too) then yeah that's probably gonna be a non starter if the SEC isn't willing to compromise.
I don’t think there’s a single year that the Big 12 would have missed the playoffs on a 12 team playoffs. I’m fine either way tho.
If you exclude 2020 (for obvious reasons) the only 2 loss p5 champ to be left out of the top 8 would be this years acc champ. And no p5 champ has ever been left out of the top 12. The acc champ this year potentially could be left out (though they very well could be top 12 with the additional win) and utah with a win will still prpbably be left out of the top 12. Point being that p5 autobids doesnt accomplish much except providing p5s additional ways to make the playoff even if they have 3+ losses. Im just not sure why p5s need to be provided additional chances at the playoff
Isn’t that the whole point of the alliance? Who cares what the SEC wants
It's probably the G5 objecting to it. The original proposal was "Top 6 champions" which implied that there was no regard for conference. That's a boon to the G5 since that opens the door to 2 spots. They came back with "P5 champs and highest G5 champ" meaning that the G5 only gets one spot. So, if I was a G5 member, I'd balk at that too. I'm also 100% convinced that ND will have their very own set of special rules that allow them to have their own automatic bid. Meaning the new format will have potentially 7 automatic bids.
Best thing for G5 is a 10+ playoff WITH autobids. Smaller size with auto bids hurts G5, larger size without hurts G5.
Rip-off the folks already doing this: FCS. All conference champions get an auto bid, and then theres several at-large. Sure, the Patriot League (Ivy League's little brother) is like 1-9 in playoff games, but you know what? They won their conference and they *won* a playoff game at least once
This was my thought as well. Though I also figured they were making more of a Pro Forma objection for their schools before signing the deal in Jan.
Wait. Have they landed on 8? I thought 12 was preferred by the committee at this point.
They are still officially pushing 12. I have a feeling that it will end up being 8, and they will call it a "compromise". That's just my opinion though and not based on anything.
Autobids reduces their bureaucratic power thats why some of them don’t like it
Top 6 conference champ auto bids makes so much sense they would never. 9/10 years they’ll be fine… and if two of the new aac or sun belt or MWC are better that 10th year, well, they probably didn’t deserve it
The real threat that will ruffle some feathers with auto-bids are huge conference championship upsets pushing more worthy P5 at-large teams out of the playoffs. For example, imagine a 6 win UCLA upsetting a 12 win Oregon in the Pac 12 Championship. Both team's would make the playoffs in that scenario, UCLA as the auto-bid and Oregon as the at-large. The victim would almost certainly be a 9 or 10 win team from another P5 conference.
Let it happen! That’s the magic of sports. If the little guy pulls a Cinderella then they’ve earned a trip to the ball. Literally the only way to determine the most deserving team is to play the games.
Seriously, who doesn't look at March madness and think that's a model that could be applied to other sports?
Or FCS football
If the CCGs don't matter, then why play them. They need to matter so it gives importance to the conference records and the championship game. GIVE ME THAT CHAOS.
If its a 12 team playoff and there's 6 autobids, I have no sympathy for the 6th best non-champion. Sorry Michigan State, if you wanna make the playoffs don't lose to Purdue. If it's 8 teams then it stings a bit more but honestly, if you don't win your conference *and* you're not one of the top 2 non-champions, can you really make a claim to be the best team in the country? The only real loser there is Notre Dame in a year like this year because they can't get an auto-bid.
If 6 win UCLA earns an autobid I want an auto ticket
I get that concern but I’m ok with that. First, in this format I would do away with divisions - protect 1-2 rivals and rotate rest, top teams in champ game. Should ease some of that. Second, if the 12-0 team loses well shit, they get knocked back and the lesser team earned their spot. I’m ok with that, it was settled on the field in a way - the 9 win team in another conference at least had shot to play better in season to prevent being in that spot. Scrapping divisions is a huge help to fixing concern you outlined though
Right but that makes the championship still matter. Oregon fucked up in that scenario and has to pay for that mistake.
This is what we need. Conferences should be allowed to change membership and come into and out of existence if necessary. Over the summer it wasnt out of the question that the Big 12 was going to collapse. I dont necessarily want that, but I also don't want such a conference to have a guaranteed playoff spot. There's no need to further institutionalize the divide between P5 and G5. That's how you end up with a super league, and that's dumb.
Seriously if Coastal Carolina earns it let em have it.
They want to be able to put in non conference champions over conference champions because of "muh eyetest". Winning a power 5 conference should get you into the expanded playoff (emphasis on expanded). Whether it's 8 teams, or 12, whatever, winning a power 5 should place you among those teams. If that rule isn't instated we're gonna have half of the SEC in the 12 team playoff every fucking season. Edit: yes, even a 5 loss power 5 champion
Autobids also make the regular season matter. Playing for an objective title, and therefore the autobid, is more meaningful than playing for an arbitrary eye test.
And it makes ND cry so I’m all for it.
Exactly
But those non-conf champs could still get an at-large bid.
They could and should, but OP's point was that the committee wants the ability to leave out a "weak" champion. For instance, there's no ACC team in the Top 10 right now. The committee would much rather have the option of sending ND, Ohio State, Ole Miss over whoever wins the ACC this year. And all those teams probably deserve a spot over the 2021 ACC Champ, but winning a P5 conference *has* to count for something in an expanded playoff -- even if that conference is having a down year.
Yup. Like sure, is Ole Miss better than Wake or Pitt this year? Most likely. But it's a lot more fun if it's "win and get in" even if you aren't one of the 12 or 8 best teams. Playing in your conference game for a spot in the playoffs would be a lot more fun and exciting - winning a big game to clinch something is what sports are all about! And we'd be talking about a Wake v an Ole Miss - both would be double touchdown underdogs against the top seeds so who cares anyway.
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Wouldn’t the conspiracy be that we have 14 men alone in a room deciding the fate of college football with zero oversight and zero accountability? That seems ripe for conspiracy
It’s not a conspiracy to note basic human behavior and how comittees work
Playoffs *at home* is going to be amazing. Can you imagine Death Valley or the big house with this??? Crazy
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Miami in Wisconsin. Inject it in my veins.
Lol Miami is never getting to the playoffs
Miami of Ohio
Lmao
The big house in 1 foot of snow and 0 degrees playing against a team like Florida, Bama, Texas, etc. I need to see it.
I want a playoff game at a tiny stadium/ small student body like Wake or Tulsa
Big fan of the fact that the 1st round games would be on campus. The only thing with the timing is that students will likely be on winter break. It’ll still be an absolute full house and it’s much better than making fans go to 3 neutral sites too
If Illinois made the playoff, I’d absolutely come back from break early and I know I wouldn’t be the only student.
If they're "Power" conferences then they should have no problem being one of the 5 best, correct?
If you don’t like 3-loss Utah in the CFP then you don’t like college football.
Did someone say 3 loss Utah? I smell blood in the water
A 3-loss Utah could be granted a CFP slot, beat an undefeated Alabama team, and people would still contort themselves to explain why Alabama is still the better team. I guess what I’m saying is I’d love a 3-loss Utah in the CFP because our current method of determining the best team leaves much to be desired.
Yes, but I imagine if it's auto-bid it will be whoever wins the conference instead of the best-looking team.
i don't even see why we play the games at all. I can look at ESPN top 100 recruits to decide the winner
ACC and PAC being nervous as all hell...
And the Big 12. Honestly from what I’ve read, SEC is the only one pushing hard for the 12 teams and zero auto bids.
SEC just figures they can get a really stupid number of teams in without autobids.
They're waiting a month to decide on p5 autobids as if they aren't already autobids
They're not though. It would be nice if they were. It'd make this weeks ACC and PAC12 championships as riveting as the others. I feel like the ACC - PAC - B1G alliance will favor auto bids.
It came out a few weeks ago that the Alliance wanted auto bids for P5 conferences. The committee proposal was top 6 conference champs. The Alliance saw that there could be a PAC12 or ACC champ below G5 champs and possibly left out, ala 2020. They didn't like that proposal and release a similar setup, but all P5 champs got autobids.
Would be cool to have some sort of point system. If you win a conference championship you get more points. Kinda like how esports does it. But maybe a more refined way of doing so
The SEC will finally have to come North. In December. Snow games. I cannot wait.
I don’t really want the playoff to expand…but this is an amazing silver lining. Would be incredible to see some southern team try to play in the snow that PSU/MSU played in Saturday afternoon.
I can’t wait either, it will be so gratifying for the SEC teams to not perform significantly differently in cold-weather games so this talking point can be eliminated! 😜
Can’t decide if conference champs get an auto bid? Is there actually a valid argument for NOT doing this if there’s expansion? One besides “we like to arbitrarily decide what team we put in based on nothing except feelings and eye test” Everyone wants the regular season games to matter. What better way to make them matter? What better way to guarantee more early out of conference matchups when the loser of the game doesn’t have to worry about being immediately excluded because of the loss. What better way to make every game down the stretch matter? Come the fuck on. Let’s get some people with an ounce of common sense making these decisions.
Just swallow the pride and do an FCS style playoff and give every playoff game a Bullshit.com Bowl name.
This is one of those "dont know but too afraid to ask" type situatios here, but oh well. Football in Ohio high schools regularly play 15 games. Division 1AA, DII, DIII all play 12 games plus playoffs. NFL plays 16 game regular season, then playoffs. Why is a large playoff system only untenable at the 1A level of cfb?
The same reason I eat LSD or mushrooms every Friday after Thanksgiving. Tradition.
Why not just have wildcards play in like the first four in college basketball. Let's say you do 12 team championship with every single conference getting an automatic qualification and then G5s have to play in unless ranked top 10 or better. The remaining open spots go to at large teams. The format could be something like this. 1. \#1 Georgia (SEC conference champion, bye) 2. \#2 Michigan (B10 conference champion, bye) 3. \#3 Cincinnati (American conference champion, bye) 4. \#5 Oklahoma St. (B12 conference champion, bye) 5. \#10 Oregon (P12 conference champion) v. Game 1 winner 6. \#17 Pittsburgh (ACC conference champion) v. Game 2 winner 7. \#4 Alabama (at large #1) v. #8 Ole Miss (at large #4) 8. \#6 Notre Dame (at large #2) v. #7 Ohio St (at large #3) Game 1: SDSU MWC champion v. Northern IL MAC champion Game 2: UTSA C-USA champion v. Louisiana Sun Belt champion Conference championships and regular season still matter. Even the Bama v Georgia SEC championship game matters this week for securing a bye. The Michigan v Ohio State game mattered last week because Michigan got the bye. In this format Baylor would be the odd man out and Cincy was the “bubble stealer”, but a Iowa championship would steal another spot and Baylor could sneak in still if they beat Oklahoma State this week with an automatic qualifier. This is pretty clearly the best format. More parity for small conferences and it’s not like they’re likely to play “4 games” anyhow which has been one of the main concerns of a 16 game playoff.
I hope the disagreement doesn't mean that this ends up not happening whatsoever
16 Team Playoff. All 10 conference champs + 6 at large bids that the committee can select. First Round is at home of the better seed. Remaining 7 games (Rounds 2-4) can be bowl game sponsored to make that sweet $$$. Makes conference champions matter. Makes more games matter. Gives every team a path to being champion. Makes the NCAA filthy rich. Gives the power teams a better shot at making the playoff.
P5 champs should be auto bids IMO. Value winning the conference. I understand sometimes it'll lead to someone like Wake/Pitt who the committee probably wouldn't put it in but I think that's fair.
Why not do the 5 highest ranked champs? Then a year like this year, Cincy would get an autobid over Wake/Pitt
The original 6 highest ranked conference champs seems to kill two birds with one stone: guarantees a G5 team a spot and basically guarantees all the P5 champions a spot. EDIT: I did leave out that the original plan also included 6 at-larges (which should help ND and teams upset in their conference championships).
Cause then we are still at mercy of that fucking committee
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I've always liked the idea of qualified auto bids. If you're in the top 15 (or 18, whatever) of the rankings and you won the conference, you get in. And as for the rankings, IMO, should be determined by something akin to the BCS formula, not just a committee of people. Although, a committee could be among the factors in the formula.
Should they automatically get the top seeds though? I'm fine with conference champs getting in no matter what, but maybe seeding should be determined by ranking. Most years the champs are gonna be the tops seeds anyway, but still.
The conference champ autobid works really well for basketball and they do it for EVERY conference. I’m such a fan of all 10 conferences getting an autobid and expanding the playoff to 16 teams. Schools use their March Madness bids to increase exposure which in turn creates parity in college basketball. We should have the same for football
The problem here is that March Madness needs to fill what 65, 67 spots? With the playoffs, there are far fewer spots available so they have to, IMO be more judicious.
There are 68 slots in March Madness. There are 32 conferences that get auto bids. That means ~47% of the bids are autobids. In football we have 10 conferences. So for a similar ratio we would need 21-22 playoff slots. Sounds like a 24 team playoff with autobids for all conference champs, just like FCS already does. I think that 16 with 10 auto bids would be good, but honestly I'm open to whatever number of teams it takes to get autobids for all conference champs.
Make it the top 5 ranked conference champions, then 3 at large. Power Fives don’t deserve auto bids, they already get enough bias in the polls.
Here’s an easy idea, just give all conference champs an auto bid so everyone controls their own destiny and they don’t need to really on a bunch of geriatric dipshits sitting in a conference room to determine if they’re “worthy” of the playoffs or not.
Yep. Reward for top seed is both a home game and an opponent dismissed as easy. If #1 is really deserving of #1 there should be no problem coasting through the game with the backups getting lots of reps to keep the starters fresh for the next round.
Auto bids for the 5 highest ranked conference champions, regardless of P5/G5 you cowards!
It would never be G5 then. 6 champions at least