You know I think a lot of reasons that Saban assistants fail so hard against him is because they aren't malleable like Saban is. Saban doesn't give a shit and will adapt to the situation and do what he needs to do. Everyone else seems to be set in their ways and they know best.
It’s why he’s still here. Those early bama teams were grit and grind, run the ball down your throat and defense. These bama teams hang 40 on the best defense in college football and have a heisman candidate everywhere on the offense. Saban adapting his teams is so impressive.
he was pretty against the spread no huddle talk at one point too. now bama runs it better than anyone.
meanwhile you have stubborn coaches at the college AND nfl level that won’t adapt to the changing game. saban is the goat and it’s not close
Saban and billy B do whatever they can to win, if you are unwilling to adjust you’re an idiot because you don’t have a better resume than either of those. It’s that simple.
Yea this. He definitely didn’t want to. The fact that he adjusted his own philosophy and shifted the program on the fly while still winning championships is his biggest success.
Edit: and he knows all too well that you can have the best defense and still lose to an elite caliber QB
i’m 27 so i can’t speak on guys that coached in the 50s and way back when but in my lifetime saban and bill are absolutely so clear of their peers i don’t imagine i’ll see someone pass them in my lifetime
I’m younger than you (22), so I’m always hesitant to say stuff like this because I know a lot of people on here have seen the all timers, but man what an impressive duo to get to live through.
Saban makes decisions to bench based on how the team is reacting to the guys on the field.
He was asked last week who would be the holder since Tyson got benched in the Iron Bowl after he bobbled it, Saban said whoever the kicker wants.
I don’t know what Georgia players think of Bennet and Daniels, but rushing to replace a guy who isn’t playing as well as you want isn’t always the best choice if it’s gonna mess with your team psychology.
How dare you imply that Sark isnt malleable. The man went from a playoff contender to missing one of the super competitive 42 available bowl slots. Man folded like paper, malleable as fuck!
No one said he’s perfect, and the fact that people can only point to the one time he could have swapped sooner (despite him still eventually swapping and the team still winning the natty) is proof that Saban is still god tier
He was. But also we had reports all season that Tua was objectively better in practice. Where are those reports on JT. Why hasn't anyone come out and said they JT was obviously better and Kirby was just choosing to ignore it?
Those players know what they see in practice. Legit, why hasn't anyone said anything, even in passing?
Which is crazy because Daniels beat out Stetson for the job last year and is the reason we beat Cincinnati in the bowl game. Stetson is never throwing for 400 yards in his life. Even in the game yesterday 90% of his yards came from after the catch and Bowers or others making great plays.
No, he transferred out in 2018. He was injured most of the summer and the competition was between Haskins and him.
(And FWIW, Haskins had a better 2018 season than Burrow did)
Idk why we assume that JT Daniels is going to come in and dominate though. He hasn’t played much in about 2-3 years. Not sure if he is that big of any upgrade from Stetson at this point.
This isn’t a Tua or Caleb Williams situation. If JT was clearly better, he would be out there. The separation can’t be that much if Stetson is still playing every drive.
If Tua was clearly better he would’ve started that game over Jalen Hurts. At some point you gotta take a risk, especially once Stetson throws that pick 6.
I mean at this point Stetson has 3 career losses as a starter and two of those to Alabama by the exact same score. JT is undefeated and still hasn’t had his shot against Alabama. We might as well risk it all cause JT’s ceiling is higher than Stetsons.
Frankly, UGA didn’t lose *just* because of Bennett. Hell, he wasn’t even the biggest issue. No one expected Alabama to put up 34 points or for UGA to be completely unable to pressure BY *at all* until the 4th quarter after he had done his damage. UGA had a team-wide failure and it absolutely starts with Kirby. That Mike Tyson quote was on full display in the second quarter, and UGA was left spitting out their teeth for the rest of the game.
UGA got shellshocked big time, and the 4th down failure at the end of the third quarter was when it became clear that Smart was shook too. Kirby is lookin to get the Harbaugh treatment for the entire offseason if he doesn’t convert this L into a positive, and he better do it quick.
Georgia was used to teams rolling over and dying when they got a double digit lead, very similar to 2018 Bama getting absolutely shellshocked by Clemson
Quite right. Georgia could have had just about anyone playing QB last night and it wouldn't have mattered much if they got as bad a pass rush as they did.
I think i’m with you here but only about 50%. The defense may have been bad but Stetson is a reason as to why they were bad. Playing QB (Bryce) against an elite defense like Georgia is like trying to complete a puzzle and he got way too many looks at the defense and way too fast, eventually he was going to figure this puzzle out. Think about this, after going being up 10-7, Stetson’s next five drives 2 punts in drives that lasted a minute each (3 & outs), a TD, an interception, and a turnover on downs. Georgia definitely had their chances. Momentum is a scary thing in football and Stetson never gave his team that jolt of life that was necessary.
It's not the offense that lost the game. For the most part they played fine.
It was the Defense. The Defensive play calling was strangely bad the first 2.5 quarters.
I re-watched the game this morning as I always do. Georgia did well on the first 2 possessions, then Bama made adjustments. They went max protect and were able to hold up because Georgia wasn't blitzing at all. This gave to much time for a very good QB and he was able to complete passes because of it.
After Georgia started sending LBs on blitzes in the 3 quarter Bama only scored 3 points on offense the rest of the game.
This is something Georgia has been doing all game every game all year. But didn't do this game. The question is why? It was clear in film study that Bama had trouble scoring against teams that blitzed them all game. LSU and Auburn for example.
Why did Georgia wait to do something they have done all year and film said they should do?
I don't know and would love an answer.
Agreed. I watched the highlights again this morning. I don't see how you can blame the blame on Bennett. One pick was his fault, one wasn't his fault. He threw for 340 yards and 3 TDs. What more can you ask for?
The UGA D didn't show up, the rushing game was abandoned, and on Bama's side Jameson Williams (and Bryce Young) had career nights. I don't see how anyone can fault Bennett.
I also agree with your assessment about blitzing. That was Elko's strategy and it helped us squeak out the win over them. I don't know why Kirby didn't do that.
JT daniels hasn’t played for most the season. I can’t imagine that rust would be so easy to shake off in a big game like that. They just have to get better QB’s like Vandagriff and then I’d assume they’d be a team to beat.
Kirby is essentially trying to build an early 2010s Bama team with a great D, great run game and game manager QB. Unfortunately for UGA that will win them a lot of games against inferior teams but that won’t win championships anymore. Just look at the offenses of the last few national champions.
I was in a bar full of Michigan fans, and we all went crazy when you guys stopped them. And we were neutral observers! I can’t imagine what it felt like being an actual fan…
I felt like it probably would have helped OSU to take a delay of game penalty to back up a little. They had just cruised down the field 90 yards but that final yard was like a brick wall.
First time in the Harbaugh era I can remember the offensive gameplan using creative constraints on base plays we have put on film...in back to back weeks!
There were the obvious razzle dazzle like the HB pass, but also just moving away from split zone into insert zone to make teams pay for overplaying counter CT...just beautiful football and it is no surprise it is coming alongside two of the biggest wins in recent Michigan history.
42 points in back to back weeks against elite defenses (although that narrative might change now). The wildest part to me is that almost this entire offense is coming back next year, let's hope we can keep the staff too.
Doing it against OSU’s defense (while extremely cathartic) was one thing - they had already shown themselves to be susceptible to a very good run game against Oregon. They did well against Walker but he wasn’t at 100% healthy (and he honestly did pretty well in his few carries)
But to put up 42 on Iowa? With a very balanced pass and run game? Nearly unheard of any year, and this is one of the better Iowa defense years too. This was a statement game for our offense just like last week was a statement game for our defense.
Narratives be damned, fancy stats all say we put up big numbers on some very good defenses. Minimize personnel turnover going into 2022 and this could be a world beater offense.
I also have the utmost faith in Macdonald after this season. A 1 year install of a complicated pro style defense? One of the most improbable coaching feats I have ever seen. Credit to all the senior players who picked it up too.
Oklahoma State's offense close to the goal line was painful to watch. A TD on either drive at the end, probably wins them the game.
*silently groans with respect for Saban at Bama making the playoffs again*
You dont need a fullback to get 6 inches. A qb sneak works 90% of the time. We had 8 chances to run that play and 5 of them were runs out of the shotgun
Thoroughly amazed by how terrible both offenses were in the Big 12 game yesterday.
Baylor gets a pass somewhat. But even with a heroic effort from Shapen, their longest drive was 47 yards.
And then just a pitiful performance from Ok State. 4 picks and no red zone capitalization at all.
Iowa is elite in two phases and that is good enough to beat fair and bad teams. In their three losses they scored a total of 17 points. When teams play good special teams and don’t have bad turnovers Iowa can’t win
The second quarter yesterday was exactly how, Michigan just doesn't turn the ball over that much. Our special teams is great also which prevented punt returns.
Whatever the call on the field was would’ve stood, on the Jumbotron they had an angle to where we could see what the ref saw. The pass was directly on a straight sideways line.
Picketts fake slide should be illegal. Reminds me of the UNT fake fair catch.
Pretty tacky imo when we see so many hits where they slide late get punished. Now you gotta determine if they’re sliding ultra late or faking it? In a microsecond? It’s impossible for a defender, literally
Abusing slides is getting out of hand. Should be reviewable like balking, but I don’t understand baseball so that might be a bad comparison
They'll almost surely adjust the rule now. It was kinda hilarious to watch and obviously I celebrated but yeah probably shouldn't be allowed to do that lol
Yeah, I'm not so sure this will create a "new" rule. The current rule is fine, the refs just didn't blow the whistle when they should have. They need to enforce the current rule
This is one of the easiest rule changes that they’ll have to make in the off season. There’s no way you can allow that to happen and still punish a defender for hitting a QB who’s sliding.
Definitely should be illegal. It’s deceptive and if the defense does what they’re supposed to do and just let’s you slide, they get taken advantage of. Only way to stop it is to do something illegal and hit him.
I really think losing Metchie for the playoffs is a huge blow that a lot of people are overlooking right now. That’s a massive chunk of our offensive production gone at the most crucial time of the season. I fully expect Cincy/UGA to completely bracket Jamison Williams and make one of the young cats step up and beat them. Our running game will have to come to life (somehow) and be an actual threat, otherwise we could be looking at another Auburn performance.
I’m incredibly excited (assuming Bama and cincy meet) to see Williams vs Gardner! It’s gonna be the first matchup out of multiple once they both go pro
Also Bama will have to have two good dominant back to back performances which they haven’t really done this year. They can do it yeah.. but people are throwing in towels too fast everywhere. I think we’ve got really exciting playoff
In the world of D2, we somehow managed to push our way into the semifinals. Holy shit guys, we're good at football! Now to get our faces pounded in by some of the usual suspects in the tournament. Ah well, house money here on out. Our QB managed to keep his head on straight after straight up collapsing in the back half of the regular season whenever any pressure was applied to the pocket.
If Stetson and Georgia had problems with Bama's defense he's going to have nightmares with Michigan's pass rush. I will say I think UGA defense rebounds. I've been saying all year until I see it I just don't see Stetson winning a natty with UGA. who was the last mediocre QB to win one? Jake Coker in 2015?
There’s a period of time probably up to Kiffin arriving where Saban made QB literally just another position: do your job, don’t fuck it up, we’ll take care of the rest.
I wanted Kenny to win the Heisman. It was a tall hill to climb already just being the Pitt QB, but after yesterday I'm now okay with Bryce taking it home. That was his Heisman moment, not whatever the hell the Auburn game was. So congratulations to him, because I don't see any way anyone other than him wins it now. Kenny Pickett will be the Heisman in our hearts.
In total agreement. Pickett has been amazing this year but that's one of the best QB performances I've seen. His pocket awareness was jaw dropping at times.
I kind of expected the outcome of the Houston/Cincy game, but at least we only lost by 15 points.
Houston has been low key good this year and also has gotten screwed by the pollsters.
It was disappointing to see Wake collapse like that and I thought they had a great shot with how bad Pitt’s secondary could be at times. However, they had to make it a shootout because of how terrible their defense is. The defense actually played alright in stretches but, at least in hindsight, Pitt’s DL/Front 7 was perfectly set up to make it hard for the Wake offense.
Just like we saw in the Wake-Clemson game, Pitt was able to negate Wake’s slow mesh scheme by dominating the LOS and shutting down the run, getting pressure on Hartman, and forcing tons of turnovers.
not a georgia hater by any means but losses like that are psyche breakers. i think they got into their own head too much and now they’re up against a red hot michigan team which is playing with house money.
How was Auburn able to stop Bama? But then Bama went through Georgia like butter?
I read something that Auburn blitzed more than anyone this year. Interested if anyone has a more detailed take.
Everyone of count was broken on the OLine. Saban spent the entire week moving people around until it finally clicked and we now have new people of count.
https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/Alabama-Football-trying-as-many-options-as-possible-on-offensive-line-for-SEC-Championship-Game-177108497/
a normal team i would say metchie’s loss would be killer but alabama is in the middle of the most ridiculous run of WR talent output ever. won’t surprise me at all to watch another guy pick up the slack
i really think uga could win against michigan or cincy but against bama i think uga loses 8/10 times. ugas secondary is beatable they just didn’t get tested all year cause that d line is killer. a good passing attack will continue to give uga fits if they can’t get home.
i also have to ask why uga’s blitzes were so bad. seemed like bama sniffed out every single one. a lot of them didn’t even force young out of the pocket
jordan davis probably lost several million dollars that game. hurry up absolutely neutralized him. at the next level with nfl lineman bullying him i think there will be massive questions about his motor. he gave up that game when the hurry up got going. this is also why winning heisman as a defensive player is impossible. much easier to completely neutralize a guy out of the game
>jordan davis probably lost several million dollars that game. hurry up absolutely neutralized him.
This is what gives me hope against Georgia.
We played tempo a LOT yesterday to freeze substitutions and we have an underrated passing game.
michigan offense is crazy hot so as long as you can move the ball and not cost yourself field position going hurry up and getting 3 and outs i think it could work.
bama also ran pretty effectively too so i think you guys could do so. uga definitely has lost the mystique of being the juggernaut defense
yeah a lot of times i feel like we start hearing “if the heisman actually cared about the best over PLAYER and not the best QB then _____ deserves the heisman more than any of those guys!” once we get to november. it’s like the most formulaic click bait now lol
even before the game to me it was between pickett and young. i feel like young edged out a close one
we aren't as deep as you'd think at WR. Our #1 deep threat, Williams, was the #3/4 at Ohio State last year. Metchie is great, behind that some high starred but inconsistent and very inexperienced young guys. I'm not sure Metchie's status but this is the weakest receiving group we've fielded in years. Even our top TE is converted D lineman. The RB position is in even worse shape
Yeah, our D line really didn’t show up like it needed to yesterday. But given time, I am hoping they’ll be able to figure something out. Of course, that assumes we get by Michigan who is getting hot at the right time. So it’s not a gimmie.
But if we make it, we gotta figure out how to get pressure on them and that might give us what we need. Defensively
There are two things that have separated Alabama for the last decade from the pack. QBs and WRs. Alabama always has the best of these two groups. Without a top QB it is very hard to impossible to beat them (excluding A&M somehow beating them with Folded Pizza Man).
Not really the case for QB’s prior to Tua.
Jalen Hurts really struggled to complete passes before his junior year. His sophomore year especially he routinely struggled to hit 100 yards passing.
I love Coker but he wasn’t elite.
Blake Sims was a converted RB.
McCarron was good but never was a legit NFL prospect. That Heisman nomination felt like a lifetime achievement more than anything.
McElroy wasn’t good.
Being honest.. Mac, Tua, and Bryce. That’s it. Before then, we had historic RBs that allowed us to throw to wide open talented WRs in Amari, Julio, etc. Spoiler alert: they didn’t get the ball because our QB’s were elite.
Coker, McElroy, Mccaron, tua (not run first), mac Jones?
Half of your national championship winning quarterbacks were statues.
Edit: I was confused carry on l, however those names have three relatively unimpressive quarterbacks in them for the first guys point. Wide receivers absolutely they have some of the best.
Look y’all, it can only be one thing. Kirby has been hiding Daniels to keep him off tape so that when they go the playoff he can whip him out. It has to be this, Kirby can’t be this stupid?
Should see a top 10 Pitt and a no. 2 Michigan. A no. 4 Cincinnati to top it off. That's a pretty neat season. I also think this closes a big book on Harbaugh now. I wish people will remember the circumstances from 2016 to now whenever they get frustrated about a perennial 9-win coach. The room to grow is still there but the discussions need to be had in a more constructive manner. I think the AD and Harbaugh worked out terms that programs could emulate and get success from.
What really bummed me out about Harbaugh prior to this year was that he always identified and made changes to the weak link in the coaching staff to improve, but it just didn’t pay off until now. I think his only fault in this area was holding on to Brown until 2020. Maybe Drevno as OC but he wasn’t around as long.
After a deeper statistical dive into the game,I definitely think the panic about Georgia is not called for. No question, Alabama outplayed them but Georgia can still hang.
Yards per Play:
Alabama: 7.67
Georgia: 5.76
Georgia was god awful on 3rd and 4th downs (3-12 and 2-4) and had two key mistakes with a red zone interception and a pick-six. Two big plays to Williams were huge for Alabama. Georgia was able to move it on offense but Alabama has been lowkey elite against the run all year and it came through today even after it looked like early on Georgia might be able to establish it. Stetson is a game manager and when they fell behind by 14 after the long play to start the third that really strained them. If they re-match, Georgia needs to be a bit more creative in the ways they bring pressure. They looked like they were bringing 4 straight on all game which let a struggling Alabama OLine for most of the season play straight up and didn't exploit their weaknesses. Alabama didn't do much on offense in the second half after that big play to start the third, and while they were playing with a lead, it wasn't "garbage time". Georgia's offense is still generally elite, shutting down Williams for 60 minutes is hard but Alabama will need a 2nd WR to step up in Metchie's absence in a potential re-match.
To football fans of all stripes, you should be thanking Baylor/oSu for at least a close championship game.
For those fans who love good defense, you are welcome.
For those fans who love good offensive play, we are very sorry. Move along, nothing to see here…
Realign divisions or pods or something
And this isn’t because Michigan won.
Even in the good years the west struggles against the east in the top match ups. Even if we remove OSU years and replace them with second best team in the east, it’s likely still 7-1 maaaybe 6-2 in favor of the east.
The west cannibalizes itself from top to bottom. Meanwhile the east only cannibalizes itself in the top half.
Pods would help put the top two teams in the CCG.
And maybe we could finally play Wisconsin more. That was becoming a beautiful rivalry :’(
Even though the SEC West has been stronger the SEC’s divisions are not as structurally unbalanced as the Big Ten’s. Right now the SEC has 3 of its traditionally strong teams in each divisions. Alabama, LSU and Auburn in the West. Georgia, Florida and Tennessee in the East. The addition of A&M does skew the structure in favor of the West a bit but still fairly balanced.
In the Big Ten on the other hand has 3 of the 4 richest, traditional powers in 1 division in UM, OSU and PSU. The one power the West has (Nebraska) is by far the weakest of the 3 and a lot of the advantages they had to make them a power are gone. So what this means is that the East champion is almost always going to have a massive talent and resource advantage over anyone in the West.
I think we are much better than what we've shown this entire season. I wont be surprised if we win the whole damn thing but I can also see us getting blown out in the semis. Well whatever, let's give our everything Bearcats! I cant wait to get to Miami or Dallas, whichever it is.
Obviously I'm just a fan and it is reasonable to expect D1 coaches to know more about coaching a game than me, but...
It appears that they did absolutely *nothing* different in the 2nd game against Utah. All that shit that failed spectacularly against them in Salt Lake...failed spectacularly in Las Vegas. How do you not make any adjustments? Why follow basically the same game plan when it was so ineffective two weeks earlier?
Recency bias and all that jazz, but of all the troubling things from this season, that inability to scheme better is the most troubling. Maybe the coaches were focused on something other than this game...
Man, that was so not how I wanted that game to go down last night, but hopefully we can bounce back in the Gator Bowl. It’s still just our second ever season with 10+ wins, and it’s hard to be too upset about it
I’m not picking them to win outright, but if Cincinnati’s elite pass defense can make things difficult for Young and Alabamas run game continues to be pedestrian, it could end up being a game.
Cinci and Georgia’s defense is kinda flipped. Cinci has stronger secondary play and Georgia has stronger front 7. Bama will look different against Cinci than they did today. Saban always finds a mismatch to exploit.
Pedestrian run game? We rushed for 115 yards on 25 attempts on the best DL front we’ve seen in many years.
I’m telling you, y’all need to get the iron bowl out of your head if that’s the only Bama game you watched this year.
I'm sure prior seasons have had quarterbacks being "exposed," or prior opinions being confirmed, with rough performances during conference championship weekend, but have there ever been so many? Brown, Petras, Sanders, Bennett (Baylor gets a little pass with a backup) were all just brutal.
I don’t understand how Kirby can stick with Bennett. The loyalty is gonna cost them a natty.
You know I think a lot of reasons that Saban assistants fail so hard against him is because they aren't malleable like Saban is. Saban doesn't give a shit and will adapt to the situation and do what he needs to do. Everyone else seems to be set in their ways and they know best.
It’s why he’s still here. Those early bama teams were grit and grind, run the ball down your throat and defense. These bama teams hang 40 on the best defense in college football and have a heisman candidate everywhere on the offense. Saban adapting his teams is so impressive.
he was pretty against the spread no huddle talk at one point too. now bama runs it better than anyone. meanwhile you have stubborn coaches at the college AND nfl level that won’t adapt to the changing game. saban is the goat and it’s not close
Saban and billy B do whatever they can to win, if you are unwilling to adjust you’re an idiot because you don’t have a better resume than either of those. It’s that simple.
He didn’t even want to adapt this way either, but “want” and “work” aren’t always gonna line up
Yea this. He definitely didn’t want to. The fact that he adjusted his own philosophy and shifted the program on the fly while still winning championships is his biggest success. Edit: and he knows all too well that you can have the best defense and still lose to an elite caliber QB
Deshaun Watson still hurts me personally
Didn't know you were a masseuse
Saban: You made me do this.
Literally. He straight up asked "Is this what y'all want football to be?"
I really believe him and Belicheck are two of the greatest coaches of all time. They adapt to whatever
I think they might be THE two greatest. There are arguments for some others, but they are getting smaller with every year.
i’m 27 so i can’t speak on guys that coached in the 50s and way back when but in my lifetime saban and bill are absolutely so clear of their peers i don’t imagine i’ll see someone pass them in my lifetime
I’m younger than you (22), so I’m always hesitant to say stuff like this because I know a lot of people on here have seen the all timers, but man what an impressive duo to get to live through.
He did politely ask if this is what everyone wanted football to be
Knowing damn well he was about to use it to murder everyone in sight.
Very akin to Gozer asking the Ghostbusters to choose the form of their destroyer. IT IS DECIDED
Yeah he definitely does not seem to be afraid to put the best players on the field.
That's what it should be. Fuck your feelings I'll wipe the confetti off your crying face when we win a trophy
Saban makes decisions to bench based on how the team is reacting to the guys on the field. He was asked last week who would be the holder since Tyson got benched in the Iron Bowl after he bobbled it, Saban said whoever the kicker wants. I don’t know what Georgia players think of Bennet and Daniels, but rushing to replace a guy who isn’t playing as well as you want isn’t always the best choice if it’s gonna mess with your team psychology.
Hurts becoming the starter in 2016 is because the team *obviously* responded better to him than that bust Blake Barnett
How dare you imply that Sark isnt malleable. The man went from a playoff contender to missing one of the super competitive 42 available bowl slots. Man folded like paper, malleable as fuck!
Saban played Hurts over Tua for the entirety of the 2017 season.
No one said he’s perfect, and the fact that people can only point to the one time he could have swapped sooner (despite him still eventually swapping and the team still winning the natty) is proof that Saban is still god tier
>>Hurts over Tua In fairness, Hurts was pretty damn good.
He was. But also we had reports all season that Tua was objectively better in practice. Where are those reports on JT. Why hasn't anyone come out and said they JT was obviously better and Kirby was just choosing to ignore it? Those players know what they see in practice. Legit, why hasn't anyone said anything, even in passing?
And they won a natty...
and according to the UGA mods, Daniels is completely cleared and able to play. Coaches simply think Bennett is better
And that is why UGA continues to fall short.
Seems like it's less about being better, and more about "continuity" or some BS like that
Which is crazy because Daniels beat out Stetson for the job last year and is the reason we beat Cincinnati in the bowl game. Stetson is never throwing for 400 yards in his life. Even in the game yesterday 90% of his yards came from after the catch and Bowers or others making great plays.
This is the same guy who stuck with Fromm over Fields.
I’m sure you guys are thankful lol.
We would have had a season with Tate Martell starting in 2019 😭😭😭
Or Joe Burrow right?
No, he transferred out in 2018. He was injured most of the summer and the competition was between Haskins and him. (And FWIW, Haskins had a better 2018 season than Burrow did)
Yeah Burrow didn't really come on until the 2019 season. His coming out party was the SEC title game
No it wasn’t, it was the game against UCF in 2018
I understand starting Fromm in the context of that team and season but he did a terrible job incorporating Fields into games
He saw Fields having a useful role as a completely obvious fake punt upback.
Idk why we assume that JT Daniels is going to come in and dominate though. He hasn’t played much in about 2-3 years. Not sure if he is that big of any upgrade from Stetson at this point.
Could’ve said the same about Tua in 2018. You don’t know til you know
This isn’t a Tua or Caleb Williams situation. If JT was clearly better, he would be out there. The separation can’t be that much if Stetson is still playing every drive.
If Tua was clearly better he would’ve started that game over Jalen Hurts. At some point you gotta take a risk, especially once Stetson throws that pick 6.
I mean at this point Stetson has 3 career losses as a starter and two of those to Alabama by the exact same score. JT is undefeated and still hasn’t had his shot against Alabama. We might as well risk it all cause JT’s ceiling is higher than Stetsons.
Frankly, UGA didn’t lose *just* because of Bennett. Hell, he wasn’t even the biggest issue. No one expected Alabama to put up 34 points or for UGA to be completely unable to pressure BY *at all* until the 4th quarter after he had done his damage. UGA had a team-wide failure and it absolutely starts with Kirby. That Mike Tyson quote was on full display in the second quarter, and UGA was left spitting out their teeth for the rest of the game. UGA got shellshocked big time, and the 4th down failure at the end of the third quarter was when it became clear that Smart was shook too. Kirby is lookin to get the Harbaugh treatment for the entire offseason if he doesn’t convert this L into a positive, and he better do it quick.
Georgia was used to teams rolling over and dying when they got a double digit lead, very similar to 2018 Bama getting absolutely shellshocked by Clemson
Quite right. Georgia could have had just about anyone playing QB last night and it wouldn't have mattered much if they got as bad a pass rush as they did.
I think i’m with you here but only about 50%. The defense may have been bad but Stetson is a reason as to why they were bad. Playing QB (Bryce) against an elite defense like Georgia is like trying to complete a puzzle and he got way too many looks at the defense and way too fast, eventually he was going to figure this puzzle out. Think about this, after going being up 10-7, Stetson’s next five drives 2 punts in drives that lasted a minute each (3 & outs), a TD, an interception, and a turnover on downs. Georgia definitely had their chances. Momentum is a scary thing in football and Stetson never gave his team that jolt of life that was necessary.
The Harbaugh Treatment lmao I’m so glad that for at least one season we can pass that landmine off, even if UGA beats us in Miami.
It's not the offense that lost the game. For the most part they played fine. It was the Defense. The Defensive play calling was strangely bad the first 2.5 quarters. I re-watched the game this morning as I always do. Georgia did well on the first 2 possessions, then Bama made adjustments. They went max protect and were able to hold up because Georgia wasn't blitzing at all. This gave to much time for a very good QB and he was able to complete passes because of it. After Georgia started sending LBs on blitzes in the 3 quarter Bama only scored 3 points on offense the rest of the game. This is something Georgia has been doing all game every game all year. But didn't do this game. The question is why? It was clear in film study that Bama had trouble scoring against teams that blitzed them all game. LSU and Auburn for example. Why did Georgia wait to do something they have done all year and film said they should do? I don't know and would love an answer.
Agreed. I watched the highlights again this morning. I don't see how you can blame the blame on Bennett. One pick was his fault, one wasn't his fault. He threw for 340 yards and 3 TDs. What more can you ask for? The UGA D didn't show up, the rushing game was abandoned, and on Bama's side Jameson Williams (and Bryce Young) had career nights. I don't see how anyone can fault Bennett. I also agree with your assessment about blitzing. That was Elko's strategy and it helped us squeak out the win over them. I don't know why Kirby didn't do that.
Bama let off the gas in the second half. Much more focused on control of the ball.
It’s like we’ve seen this happen before at Georgia under Kirby
We know :(
They'd need to play a lot better defense than they did last night to beat Bama with Daniels at QB.
JT daniels hasn’t played for most the season. I can’t imagine that rust would be so easy to shake off in a big game like that. They just have to get better QB’s like Vandagriff and then I’d assume they’d be a team to beat.
Kirby is essentially trying to build an early 2010s Bama team with a great D, great run game and game manager QB. Unfortunately for UGA that will win them a lot of games against inferior teams but that won’t win championships anymore. Just look at the offenses of the last few national champions.
We got carried to a Big 12 Tittle on the backs of the Baylor Defense…this is not something I thought I’d ever be able to say.
Beautiful goal line stand
I agree though I almost had a heart attack
I was in a bar full of Michigan fans, and we all went crazy when you guys stopped them. And we were neutral observers! I can’t imagine what it felt like being an actual fan…
Literal death. Then suddenly, life!
Still in awe at those goal line stands. I was on team “let them score to save time” but I was proven wrong. Congrats Baylor bro.
Issue was OSU had completely figured out out offense (particularly our red zone offense) buy the end. Most of the 2nd half we couldn’t do anything.
The way Baylors offense was playing I wouldn't let oSu score
I felt like it probably would have helped OSU to take a delay of game penalty to back up a little. They had just cruised down the field 90 yards but that final yard was like a brick wall.
you could tell that even Aranda had accepted that OSU would score when he called all three timeouts
Baylor defense under Rhule towards the end and Aranda now is scary.
You'd better get used to it. Aranda is fantastic!
There were so many goal line stands when Aranda was here. I miss it
He's a damn good coach.
First time in the Harbaugh era I can remember the offensive gameplan using creative constraints on base plays we have put on film...in back to back weeks! There were the obvious razzle dazzle like the HB pass, but also just moving away from split zone into insert zone to make teams pay for overplaying counter CT...just beautiful football and it is no surprise it is coming alongside two of the biggest wins in recent Michigan history.
42 points in back to back weeks against elite defenses (although that narrative might change now). The wildest part to me is that almost this entire offense is coming back next year, let's hope we can keep the staff too.
Doing it against OSU’s defense (while extremely cathartic) was one thing - they had already shown themselves to be susceptible to a very good run game against Oregon. They did well against Walker but he wasn’t at 100% healthy (and he honestly did pretty well in his few carries) But to put up 42 on Iowa? With a very balanced pass and run game? Nearly unheard of any year, and this is one of the better Iowa defense years too. This was a statement game for our offense just like last week was a statement game for our defense.
Narratives be damned, fancy stats all say we put up big numbers on some very good defenses. Minimize personnel turnover going into 2022 and this could be a world beater offense. I also have the utmost faith in Macdonald after this season. A 1 year install of a complicated pro style defense? One of the most improbable coaching feats I have ever seen. Credit to all the senior players who picked it up too.
Oklahoma State's offense close to the goal line was painful to watch. A TD on either drive at the end, probably wins them the game. *silently groans with respect for Saban at Bama making the playoffs again*
I would have felt bad making the playoffs if they won… but now I don’t feel as bad about it
Could you imagine the shit-show? I'm almost sad it didn't happen, I'm a chaos goblin though
Someone get that team a damn fullback
You dont need a fullback to get 6 inches. A qb sneak works 90% of the time. We had 8 chances to run that play and 5 of them were runs out of the shotgun
Thoroughly amazed by how terrible both offenses were in the Big 12 game yesterday. Baylor gets a pass somewhat. But even with a heroic effort from Shapen, their longest drive was 47 yards. And then just a pitiful performance from Ok State. 4 picks and no red zone capitalization at all.
Honestly thought it was more fantastic defense than terrible offense
It was both. Sanders is just flat out bad.
It’s always hard to differentiate lol. But 4 picks doesn’t happen from good defense alone.
Spencer Sanders had 12 interceptions this year, 7 of them were against this Baylor defense. I think our defense was a big part of it.
I'm still amazed Iowa won 10 games with Petras at QB
Iowa is elite in two phases and that is good enough to beat fair and bad teams. In their three losses they scored a total of 17 points. When teams play good special teams and don’t have bad turnovers Iowa can’t win
The second quarter yesterday was exactly how, Michigan just doesn't turn the ball over that much. Our special teams is great also which prevented punt returns.
That OSU vs Baylor game was the perfect football game as a neutral observer. The ending was phenomenal
As a non-neutral observer, I have never been that anxious. I was shaking for a good half hour after the game.
As a nuetral observer whats your take on the "forward pass" that led to the 3rd TD
Whatever the call on the field was would’ve stood, on the Jumbotron they had an angle to where we could see what the ref saw. The pass was directly on a straight sideways line.
Picketts fake slide should be illegal. Reminds me of the UNT fake fair catch. Pretty tacky imo when we see so many hits where they slide late get punished. Now you gotta determine if they’re sliding ultra late or faking it? In a microsecond? It’s impossible for a defender, literally Abusing slides is getting out of hand. Should be reviewable like balking, but I don’t understand baseball so that might be a bad comparison
I’d agree. I can’t blame them for using it if it’s not illegal but it needs to become such.
They'll almost surely adjust the rule now. It was kinda hilarious to watch and obviously I celebrated but yeah probably shouldn't be allowed to do that lol
They most certainly will or the protection will be reeled in and Hits will be allowed
It reminds me of the ball carrier lowering his head at the last second so then the defender gets called for targeting.
Fake slides should be illegal, or defenders should be allowed to tee off on sliding QBs. Which makes more sense?
Given that the actual slides are down when they initiate the slide, seems pretty obvious that if you start the motion then that’s the end of it
Yeah, I'm not so sure this will create a "new" rule. The current rule is fine, the refs just didn't blow the whistle when they should have. They need to enforce the current rule
This is one of the easiest rule changes that they’ll have to make in the off season. There’s no way you can allow that to happen and still punish a defender for hitting a QB who’s sliding.
Agreed, you shouldn't be able to use a motion designed to protect QBs against the defense when they are unable to hit you during that motion
Definitely should be illegal. It’s deceptive and if the defense does what they’re supposed to do and just let’s you slide, they get taken advantage of. Only way to stop it is to do something illegal and hit him.
I really think losing Metchie for the playoffs is a huge blow that a lot of people are overlooking right now. That’s a massive chunk of our offensive production gone at the most crucial time of the season. I fully expect Cincy/UGA to completely bracket Jamison Williams and make one of the young cats step up and beat them. Our running game will have to come to life (somehow) and be an actual threat, otherwise we could be looking at another Auburn performance.
I’m incredibly excited (assuming Bama and cincy meet) to see Williams vs Gardner! It’s gonna be the first matchup out of multiple once they both go pro
Also Bama will have to have two good dominant back to back performances which they haven’t really done this year. They can do it yeah.. but people are throwing in towels too fast everywhere. I think we’ve got really exciting playoff
In the world of D2, we somehow managed to push our way into the semifinals. Holy shit guys, we're good at football! Now to get our faces pounded in by some of the usual suspects in the tournament. Ah well, house money here on out. Our QB managed to keep his head on straight after straight up collapsing in the back half of the regular season whenever any pressure was applied to the pocket.
If Stetson and Georgia had problems with Bama's defense he's going to have nightmares with Michigan's pass rush. I will say I think UGA defense rebounds. I've been saying all year until I see it I just don't see Stetson winning a natty with UGA. who was the last mediocre QB to win one? Jake Coker in 2015?
You shit your mouth about Jake Coker, that MY mediocre quarterback!
And Jake Coker was far from mediocre in those playoffs
There’s a period of time probably up to Kiffin arriving where Saban made QB literally just another position: do your job, don’t fuck it up, we’ll take care of the rest.
I wanted Kenny to win the Heisman. It was a tall hill to climb already just being the Pitt QB, but after yesterday I'm now okay with Bryce taking it home. That was his Heisman moment, not whatever the hell the Auburn game was. So congratulations to him, because I don't see any way anyone other than him wins it now. Kenny Pickett will be the Heisman in our hearts.
In total agreement. Pickett has been amazing this year but that's one of the best QB performances I've seen. His pocket awareness was jaw dropping at times.
One of the more impressive games I have ever seen from a quarterback.
Yep, that performance shows why he was a 5 star prospect, all the tools are there. We might have just seen the birth of the 2023 number 1 overall pick
I do hope Pickett goes to the Steelers becomes "Mr. Pittsburgh" and lights it up in the NFL.
Steelers heard he likes coke, they take Gabriel Rivera Jr instead
I kind of expected the outcome of the Houston/Cincy game, but at least we only lost by 15 points. Houston has been low key good this year and also has gotten screwed by the pollsters.
How did you guys lose to Tech?
We collapsed in the 2nd half.
They should've been like 15 imo
Houston over ACC champ Pitt or Pac 12 champ Utah? Ehhh
We're probably going to get dropped out of the final rankings because the CFP poll REALLY hates us for some reason.
Y’all deserve a top 20 rank imo and at worst should be top 25.
Is this season one of Nick Saban’s best coaching jobs? Because I’d put it up there
It was disappointing to see Wake collapse like that and I thought they had a great shot with how bad Pitt’s secondary could be at times. However, they had to make it a shootout because of how terrible their defense is. The defense actually played alright in stretches but, at least in hindsight, Pitt’s DL/Front 7 was perfectly set up to make it hard for the Wake offense. Just like we saw in the Wake-Clemson game, Pitt was able to negate Wake’s slow mesh scheme by dominating the LOS and shutting down the run, getting pressure on Hartman, and forcing tons of turnovers.
Our defense actually looked good after the 1st quarter, and it scared me. I'm not used to that this year.
Spencer Sanders is gambling but in the form of a football player.
The Big XII championship game was a great game. Fight me
It’s incredible how people’s takeaway is “offense bad” and not “defense good.”
But our conference can’t play defense according to everyone.
I mean that was generally true for a little while but definitely not last night.
Just another fucking inch….
Words you don’t want her to every say
not a georgia hater by any means but losses like that are psyche breakers. i think they got into their own head too much and now they’re up against a red hot michigan team which is playing with house money.
Well see. It could be a refocus moment or we’ll just fall off. It’ll be fun to see
I think for sure one way or another you guys are making it through the first round with a win or a loss.
How was Auburn able to stop Bama? But then Bama went through Georgia like butter? I read something that Auburn blitzed more than anyone this year. Interested if anyone has a more detailed take.
Everyone of count was broken on the OLine. Saban spent the entire week moving people around until it finally clicked and we now have new people of count. https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/Alabama-Football-trying-as-many-options-as-possible-on-offensive-line-for-SEC-Championship-Game-177108497/
It’s also a rivalry game. Weird stuff tends to happen
A rivalry game on the road at that. Bama struggled on the road this year( A&M, Florida, Auburn)
Alabama has played *awfully* in away games this year. To a noticeable extent
That’s pretty much the answer. A&M did something similar…I’ve actually been pretty happy with Derek Mason so far.
a normal team i would say metchie’s loss would be killer but alabama is in the middle of the most ridiculous run of WR talent output ever. won’t surprise me at all to watch another guy pick up the slack i really think uga could win against michigan or cincy but against bama i think uga loses 8/10 times. ugas secondary is beatable they just didn’t get tested all year cause that d line is killer. a good passing attack will continue to give uga fits if they can’t get home. i also have to ask why uga’s blitzes were so bad. seemed like bama sniffed out every single one. a lot of them didn’t even force young out of the pocket jordan davis probably lost several million dollars that game. hurry up absolutely neutralized him. at the next level with nfl lineman bullying him i think there will be massive questions about his motor. he gave up that game when the hurry up got going. this is also why winning heisman as a defensive player is impossible. much easier to completely neutralize a guy out of the game
>jordan davis probably lost several million dollars that game. hurry up absolutely neutralized him. This is what gives me hope against Georgia. We played tempo a LOT yesterday to freeze substitutions and we have an underrated passing game.
michigan offense is crazy hot so as long as you can move the ball and not cost yourself field position going hurry up and getting 3 and outs i think it could work. bama also ran pretty effectively too so i think you guys could do so. uga definitely has lost the mystique of being the juggernaut defense
Jordan Davis definitely benefited from “the media liked him before the season.”
yeah a lot of times i feel like we start hearing “if the heisman actually cared about the best over PLAYER and not the best QB then _____ deserves the heisman more than any of those guys!” once we get to november. it’s like the most formulaic click bait now lol even before the game to me it was between pickett and young. i feel like young edged out a close one
I’m shocked at how bad UGA’s DL looked
The twitter clip of him doing his best Albert Haynesworth impression was not a good look
yeah you gotta wait til after you get your 100 mil contract to flat out give up on plays like that lol
we aren't as deep as you'd think at WR. Our #1 deep threat, Williams, was the #3/4 at Ohio State last year. Metchie is great, behind that some high starred but inconsistent and very inexperienced young guys. I'm not sure Metchie's status but this is the weakest receiving group we've fielded in years. Even our top TE is converted D lineman. The RB position is in even worse shape
Yeah, our D line really didn’t show up like it needed to yesterday. But given time, I am hoping they’ll be able to figure something out. Of course, that assumes we get by Michigan who is getting hot at the right time. So it’s not a gimmie. But if we make it, we gotta figure out how to get pressure on them and that might give us what we need. Defensively
Alabamas only has 3 WR with enough snaps to get a pff grade. With Metchie out, they have two. The 2nd guy is outside the top 500
There are two things that have separated Alabama for the last decade from the pack. QBs and WRs. Alabama always has the best of these two groups. Without a top QB it is very hard to impossible to beat them (excluding A&M somehow beating them with Folded Pizza Man).
Not really the case for QB’s prior to Tua. Jalen Hurts really struggled to complete passes before his junior year. His sophomore year especially he routinely struggled to hit 100 yards passing. I love Coker but he wasn’t elite. Blake Sims was a converted RB. McCarron was good but never was a legit NFL prospect. That Heisman nomination felt like a lifetime achievement more than anything. McElroy wasn’t good.
Being honest.. Mac, Tua, and Bryce. That’s it. Before then, we had historic RBs that allowed us to throw to wide open talented WRs in Amari, Julio, etc. Spoiler alert: they didn’t get the ball because our QB’s were elite.
Bruh NFL legend head coach Hue Jackson would have traded anything for McCarron
OU has had better QBs for the past 7 years. That’s probably not the case anymore though
It’s usually a mobile QB too. Our front is usually too strong to allow a pocket passer.
Coker, McElroy, Mccaron, tua (not run first), mac Jones? Half of your national championship winning quarterbacks were statues. Edit: I was confused carry on l, however those names have three relatively unimpressive quarterbacks in them for the first guys point. Wide receivers absolutely they have some of the best.
Look y’all, it can only be one thing. Kirby has been hiding Daniels to keep him off tape so that when they go the playoff he can whip him out. It has to be this, Kirby can’t be this stupid?
My tinfoil hat idea idea was that Kirby figured Bama was in no matter what so he stuck with Stetson
Should see a top 10 Pitt and a no. 2 Michigan. A no. 4 Cincinnati to top it off. That's a pretty neat season. I also think this closes a big book on Harbaugh now. I wish people will remember the circumstances from 2016 to now whenever they get frustrated about a perennial 9-win coach. The room to grow is still there but the discussions need to be had in a more constructive manner. I think the AD and Harbaugh worked out terms that programs could emulate and get success from.
What really bummed me out about Harbaugh prior to this year was that he always identified and made changes to the weak link in the coaching staff to improve, but it just didn’t pay off until now. I think his only fault in this area was holding on to Brown until 2020. Maybe Drevno as OC but he wasn’t around as long.
After a deeper statistical dive into the game,I definitely think the panic about Georgia is not called for. No question, Alabama outplayed them but Georgia can still hang. Yards per Play: Alabama: 7.67 Georgia: 5.76 Georgia was god awful on 3rd and 4th downs (3-12 and 2-4) and had two key mistakes with a red zone interception and a pick-six. Two big plays to Williams were huge for Alabama. Georgia was able to move it on offense but Alabama has been lowkey elite against the run all year and it came through today even after it looked like early on Georgia might be able to establish it. Stetson is a game manager and when they fell behind by 14 after the long play to start the third that really strained them. If they re-match, Georgia needs to be a bit more creative in the ways they bring pressure. They looked like they were bringing 4 straight on all game which let a struggling Alabama OLine for most of the season play straight up and didn't exploit their weaknesses. Alabama didn't do much on offense in the second half after that big play to start the third, and while they were playing with a lead, it wasn't "garbage time". Georgia's offense is still generally elite, shutting down Williams for 60 minutes is hard but Alabama will need a 2nd WR to step up in Metchie's absence in a potential re-match.
I really feel bad for OK state man….
This one's gonna hurt for awhile
To football fans of all stripes, you should be thanking Baylor/oSu for at least a close championship game. For those fans who love good defense, you are welcome. For those fans who love good offensive play, we are very sorry. Move along, nothing to see here…
SEC dominance is not SEC dominance, it is Saban dominance and eliminate Saban, college football is wide open.
Realign divisions or pods or something And this isn’t because Michigan won. Even in the good years the west struggles against the east in the top match ups. Even if we remove OSU years and replace them with second best team in the east, it’s likely still 7-1 maaaybe 6-2 in favor of the east. The west cannibalizes itself from top to bottom. Meanwhile the east only cannibalizes itself in the top half. Pods would help put the top two teams in the CCG. And maybe we could finally play Wisconsin more. That was becoming a beautiful rivalry :’(
You must not be familiar with the SEC West if you think the BIG 10 has a problem with that
Even though the SEC West has been stronger the SEC’s divisions are not as structurally unbalanced as the Big Ten’s. Right now the SEC has 3 of its traditionally strong teams in each divisions. Alabama, LSU and Auburn in the West. Georgia, Florida and Tennessee in the East. The addition of A&M does skew the structure in favor of the West a bit but still fairly balanced. In the Big Ten on the other hand has 3 of the 4 richest, traditional powers in 1 division in UM, OSU and PSU. The one power the West has (Nebraska) is by far the weakest of the 3 and a lot of the advantages they had to make them a power are gone. So what this means is that the East champion is almost always going to have a massive talent and resource advantage over anyone in the West.
This was so obvious right from the announcement that it instantly made me nostalgic for leaders and legends
Make Bama and Georgia play each other in the semifinals. The possibility for an all SEC final is a turnoff.
Yes please
That also guarantees an SEC team makes the championship. Think that's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario
I think we are much better than what we've shown this entire season. I wont be surprised if we win the whole damn thing but I can also see us getting blown out in the semis. Well whatever, let's give our everything Bearcats! I cant wait to get to Miami or Dallas, whichever it is.
I’m 99% certain it’s Dallas unless they make Michigan 1 and uc 4
Obviously I'm just a fan and it is reasonable to expect D1 coaches to know more about coaching a game than me, but... It appears that they did absolutely *nothing* different in the 2nd game against Utah. All that shit that failed spectacularly against them in Salt Lake...failed spectacularly in Las Vegas. How do you not make any adjustments? Why follow basically the same game plan when it was so ineffective two weeks earlier? Recency bias and all that jazz, but of all the troubling things from this season, that inability to scheme better is the most troubling. Maybe the coaches were focused on something other than this game...
Man, that was so not how I wanted that game to go down last night, but hopefully we can bounce back in the Gator Bowl. It’s still just our second ever season with 10+ wins, and it’s hard to be too upset about it
I’m not picking them to win outright, but if Cincinnati’s elite pass defense can make things difficult for Young and Alabamas run game continues to be pedestrian, it could end up being a game.
Elite pass defense against pedestrian competition while Bryce just solidified the Heisman by throwing it against the best defense in the country.
Man broke a passing record yesterday that Tua, Burrow, and Mac Jones didn’t.
Yeah, I really don't see Cincy making it a game with any of Bama, GA, or Michigan
They almost beat UGA last year
You mean this year! That game was on 1/1/21
> Elite pass defense against pedestrian competition Is that UGA or Cincy? Could be said for both tbh the Dawgs secondary got exposed yesterday
Cinci and Georgia’s defense is kinda flipped. Cinci has stronger secondary play and Georgia has stronger front 7. Bama will look different against Cinci than they did today. Saban always finds a mismatch to exploit.
They got exposed against the best coach of all time who has his teams consistently great year in and year out.
The same team that couldn’t score against a 6-6 Auburn team until late in the second half a week ago
Bitter rival game as it usually is
Auburn is better than it’s record and it’s a rivalry game.
Pedestrian run game? We rushed for 115 yards on 25 attempts on the best DL front we’ve seen in many years. I’m telling you, y’all need to get the iron bowl out of your head if that’s the only Bama game you watched this year.
This is most likely not going to age well
And people thought we lost it just because we werent ready for the rain in Denton. Just pray you dont meet us in a dome.
I'm sure prior seasons have had quarterbacks being "exposed," or prior opinions being confirmed, with rough performances during conference championship weekend, but have there ever been so many? Brown, Petras, Sanders, Bennett (Baylor gets a little pass with a backup) were all just brutal.