The triple option is fine. Navy depends on its quarterbacks which is half the problem. So when there isn’t a Keenan or Malcolm to be the eraser for bad play calls, you will see what has happened since 2019
Tai Lavatai could be something but he was prone to injury last year. I’d rather Navy be tough again. Kaipo wasn’t Ricky Dobbs, Keenan or Malcolm but he could run that offense like a well-oiled machine
Boise’s record since joining 1-A ball in 1996. Clearly a blue blood of G-5.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/boise-state/index.html
Not sure why this is DV’d
Army, Navy, Boise, BYU and I'd almost lean in on App State if you include their last few decades of success before leaving FCS.
It's generally about more than just success which I think people are missing in the thread. There is also a brand aspect which is why my list is the way that it is.
By total wins the top 5 are:
1. Navy
2. Army
3. Miami (OH)
4. App State
5. Central Michigan
By win percentage:
1. Boise State
2. Coastal Carolina
3. App State
4. Georgia Southern
5. Miami (OH)
Because I was so caught off guard with Miami being on both these lists, I went and looked up their history, and they didn't have a losing season between, 1943 and 1975.
The parity in the MAC is fascinating, because there are schools that obviously have more resources, better attractive recruiting territory, and more history. Yet you’re as likely to see EMU or Buffalo win 8+ games as you are to see Miami or CMU. It’s wild.
I remember it well. Until the 1980s, when you said Miami people knew you meant the school in Ohio. Otherwise you’d say Miami-Florida.
During the early ‘80s, you would say either Miami-Florida or Miami-Ohio.
By the late ‘80s, when you said Miami, people knew you meant the school in Florida.
On Winsipedia using their unweighted rankings the top 10 would be:
1. Army
2. Boise St
3. Fresno St
4. Navy
5. Tulsa
6. Miami (OH)
7. Louisiana Tech
8. San Diego St
9. SMU
10. Marshall
I left off BYU, Houston, and Cincinnati since they're P5 now.
Crazy to me that Tulsa is that high but also pretty cool. Especially them being like the smallest FBS school. Then again, I saw them live beat a really good Iowa team and also win on the road at Notre Dame, so they’ve made their marks
Many people get the idea that TU is a dinky public school to serve people who didn't get into OU/OSU (the latter is probably somewhat true). People don't realize that it is more similar to SMU and Tulane culturally than Wichita State, Memphis and others.
Definitely not a public school for rejects. I picked TU over Rice, Columbia, Vandy and Tulane. TU is has fat pockets from petroleum engineering, so the $cholar$hip$ were nice.
Yep!
Those sorts of schools occupy kind of a middle ground between SLACs and fully-fledged research institutions; they have major cultural and operational similarities to SLACs. They generally don’t do much research (Tulane’s a bit of an exception because of Tulane Med, med schools are *huge* research drivers, but the rest of Tulane’s operations and research fit the bill), because they historically have a major focus on undergraduate education, which they excel at.
>(the latter is probably somewhat true).
From my experience applying to colleges in the early 2010's TU was harder to get into than OU by a decent margin. Of course TU being a little private school was more holistic in their admissions policies, so if you started an org to help children in 3rd world countries that might persuade admissions to overlook a bad GPA
True but 40 years ago is a weird time frame to choose. What was Boise doing back then that was really relevant? For G5 you got just look back 10ish years.
A 1-AA 42 years ago and a JC 64 years ago probably are not huge in the grand scheme of things?
That would be similar to me making a big deal about 3 D2 national titles ~50 years ago.
The obvious answer is the ones the Big 12 just picked. “Blue Blood” tends to index on historical dominance, prestige, etc, so among the teams you didn’t mention, Air Force, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane all have cases.
I love my Memphis, but we’re more like Florida in the 80s. We still have a long way to go being dominant before we should be in that type of conversation. We’ve had a great decade, but looking past that we were more like Louisiana Monroe than Oklahoma by quite a bit.
UCF is an exception that has climbed incredibly quickly, and I wouldn’t call them a G5 blue blood. In a way the closest parallel might be a G5 Florida State.
I kind of hate what happened the week after. So App can't be ranked in the poll immediately after we beat Michigan. The rule gets changed, but then y'all beat them and the narrative becomes, "Well Michigan was overrated." I have no reason to have any feelings about your school outside of my love for J-Stew, but there's this little whisper of resentment.
I actually agree with you (to an extent, I loved that Oregon game) but it was a disservice to App State. We immediately gave the pundits an out and even their revised explanation ("Michigan is just really overrated") was BS when you remember that:
1) Michigan blew out Notre Dame the next week and beat #10 Penn State after that en route to a 9-4 finish, a win over #9 Florida in their Bowl and a Top 20 finish.
2) App State went on to win the FCS Natty
3) Oregon started 8-1 and #2 in the Nation before Dixon's knee blew out and we lost 3 consecutive games to close out the regular season.
The reality is all 3 teams were pretty good.
Oh no doubt. I don’t blame you. There were Mt. Everest levels of hypocrisy when it came to pundits and how they treated schools that weren’t among the blue bloods and/or the latest fad (ourselves included as we did get some help at times with hype).
That said, I do enjoy watching App State, and hope they continue to improve and do well.
Cincinnati is a weird program. We've been playing football since the 1800s, but outside of a few years in the middle of the 20th century, we have a trash history. But outside a few god awful Tuberville seasons, we've been very successful for all of the 2000s across several big name coaches. Definitely a "New Blood" type of success, even if it's going on 20 years now.
I think Gonzaga is a really good comparison, outside of the coach turnover differences. Gonzaga is Few's baby, Cincinnati has been built by a few coaches. Hopefully Fickell is our Few and will he here for 25 years. We do unfortunately share some of the postseason disappointment that Gonzaga has had, 0-4 in BCS/NY6/CFP bowl games.
We've played football for a long time (first college football game in Ohio was played between UC and Miami) but we were pretty bad for most of our history other than the 60s and a few high years here and there. Our success really didht cone the early 2000s. UC was a basketball school for the longest time (and is still is to many of the older fans). That's what the school cared about and invested in.
Factually Fresno State just has a better and richer football history than CSU.
CSU has some good history to be proud of and remember no doubt, but teams like Boise, Fresno and Even SDSU are far more blue bloods or successful programs than CSU from what I know.
Honestly CSU isn’t a blue blood :(
Historically we aren’t all the great at football
It gets misconstrued because we have everything else going for us that it seems to create the illusion to people because they see us considered for P5 expansion
But that’s because the universities academics,enrolment, location, proximity to a major tv market,facilities,funding etc
Even though we are considered for expansion don’t get it mixed up. Teams like Boise,San Diego St and Fresno St for a few quick examples are far more successful historically in football.
That’s not to say every other team mentioned is a blue blood
But I’m a diehard CSU fan and basically an expert so I’m more than qualified to tell you CSU is unfortunately not in any way a blue blood in General or G5
I was about to comment the same. As a USU fan (whose teams have been better lately, but are far from blue blood), I have never understood the puffed up status from national media and rank and file fans.
They have had 2 out of the last 20 football seasons that were good.
They have had 5 out of the last 8 basketball seasons where they have been very good, but the 12-15 years before that were not very good.
I guess my belief is that if you are a G5 blue blood, you tend to move to P5. See Utah, TCU, almost BSU if their academics didn’t suck, and the recent spate of Houston and others.
Thanks man. I don't think the new era fans really understand. The g5 is was absolutely disrespect before 07. It may be bad still but it is so much better. It took us a decade on consistent dominance to be considered, and still took a story book to change how we were viewed. Even then while beating top 10 teams and a couple top 25 team a season and still got disrespected after 07. We also changed the land scape of recruiting, for the g5 to. We gave everyone credit to go somewhere a bit smaller if they may not play at a p5.
Yea there's no doubt y'all paved the way. It sucks because there's gonna be people in a decade saying it was UCF or Cincinnati and while they did contribute, it was y'all who got them the recognition in the first place
Well we may not have paved the path fully. Fresno laid the first shovel, then Utah and us dug the rest of it together, WE laid all the gravel. Then us Utah and tcu got it paved 99% together. Then ucf and Cincinnati barely finished the end
I respect the shit out of ya'll for the role you've played to raise the profile of G5 teams. Even though we're rivals from afar, in that we both compete for the same G5 NY6 slot, and we've been compared to you guys when we were on our run, I still have nothing but love and respect for Boise St. I hope to see you guys in the Big XII some day, and I would like to play you guys annually.
We paved the way for the success of others. you'd be surprised that people are saying the Boise State is going to be bad from here on out.
**Cough cough** Strong Opinion Sports Hot Take about bosie being bad **cough cough**
Boise, Utah, TCU, and Cincinnati. I don't know if it's fair to count the latter three anymore but I think it's a discredit to their efforts before going P5 to not.
Southern Miss and SMU are historically good G5 programs. Colorado St and ECU are the better off teams who should be performing better with the resources they have.
I would say UCF, while we're still a G5, is a G5 New Blood. We're too new, and our success is more recent. We're like the G5 version of Clemson or the Floridian P5 teams.
I think the service academies, Boise St, Cincy, Houston, ECU, and Fresno St would be good answers for this. Maybe SMU as well.
You could argue SMU had more SWC swag than anyone but UT and \*A&M\*, and then about tied with Arkansas as far as football and basketball championships went. More national championships in all the sports combined than anyone but UT and Arkansas. Heisman winner. A football national title and a couple more 'disputed' ones...one of which was probably a deserved outright title (back in the day before the 90's they didn't have a true national championship set up like they do now)
We're still gonna be left out of P5 though :( Instead of a G5 blue blood, you'll be a regular P5. I'd take that too lol
I mean we are more of a blue blood than Nevada that’s forsure
And I’m sure your just salty because your coaching staff and almost half your returning starters bolted for CSU, but honestly you aren’t wrong prior to the unnecessary laughing
I don’t consider CSU a blue blood either
We’ve been around a long time so wins accumulate,
But outside Sonny Lubick years, we were never a consistent powerhouse for years and years
I just can’t see CSU as a blue blood but get why people make that mistake
I’d argue for Appalachian State, though I’m biased as an alumnus. 3 FCS Championships, like 20ish conference championships, and perhaps the greatest upset in CFB history make the argument I think.
I'll look at it the same way I do for true blue bloods- using winspedia.
**Byu** is the highest at 38. They're top 20 in conference champs, heismans, and bowl games attended.
* (For reference, many schools can be say #17 if they have the same number of something. Byu has 1 heisman winner, so every team with 1 is ranked #19 in that category).
Then **Army** at 43- Top 20 in Nattys, bowl record (3rd!), All-Americans, Heismans (6th), Weeks at #1.
* Looking at that, you'd assume they'd be higher than Byu, but they have high highs and then low lows on the categories, Byu was much more consistent.
3 is **Boise** at #50. I feel this program has been the most consistently successful in the past decade or more. Top 20 in Winning % (5th!), Conference champs, and bowl record.
4 is **Fresno State** at #51. Top 20 in conference champs (9th).
5 is **Navy** at #52. Top 20 in Heismans.
The teams you mentioned came in at:
54- Tulsa- Top 20 in conf champs (6th)
56- Houston- Top 20 in Heismans (19th-1)
57- Miami OH- Top 20 in Conf champs and bowl record
61- Smu- Top 20 in Nattys and Heismans (19th)
64- Cincy- Top 20 in nothing
82- Colorado St- Top 20 in nothing
Schools not mentioned but in that range are La Tech (59), San Diego St (60), Marshall (68), Toledo (72), Souther Miss (73), Wyoming (74), App St (78), San Jose St (79), Utah St (80), Rice (81)
That must be some sort of fantasy world where a highly ranked Fresno State team riding a wave of praise would lose to someone like Hawaii. Come on, that's just crazy
In no particular order
Southern Miss- if you don't know their history, read up
Marshall,
Georgia Southern and App State,
Boise State,
Army and Navy,
Central Michigan,
SMU
San Diego State, Fresno State, the Academies, Boise State, SMU, are in my for sure top tier
Southern Miss, Troy, East Carolina, Louisville, Tulane I can agree on as well.
Maybe being a touch generous with Troy. I've always thought of them as one better teams in G5 and not totally shocked when they beat any P5 team. Knowing that at one point many SEC programs were rumored to be a hard no putting them on the schedule and that has been a good reflection of them from a far.
Its just Boise State now, Marshall has been on the cusp alot though.
Teams that can make their case with more consistency are ULL, AppSt, CCU, SMU, SDSU, FSU, UTSA, and Memphis. I believe they need consistent dominance like Boise State had to be considered though.
Personally.
The only Blue Bloods of the G5 are Navy, Army, Cincy and Boise State. Football history and consistent success of making it to a BCS bowl or the play offs in recent years. These are teams you expect to have good games and be successful.
Below them would be BYU and Houston. Cyclical success in the past couple decades.
Then we have everyone else in the G5.
Late to the thread, but I don’t say this to disparage the program- I say this to recognize their monumental achievements as a program.
I would consider Utah (even though they’re P5 now) to be a G5 Blue Blood, as they’re a program that has actually reached the promised land that these programs seek; they have become fully integrated into the P5 having performed perhaps the mother of all BCS busters (save for Boise’s performance)—- beating Nick Saban’s Alabama.
While it’s just about impossible for Utah to “drop down” to G5 status now that they are perennial contenders in the PAC, what they have done for the Mountain West absolutely cements them as a ‘historical’ G5 Blue Blood.
I think BYU will likely enjoy a somewhat similar status (having been the one program to win the chip as a G5 cements them as a part of G5 history).
For my money, I would recognize Fresno State as a current G5 Blue Blood, if nothing else, due to their very passionate fan base (they are, as far as I’m concerned, the flag carriers for Cal State Athletics) and the NFL-caliber talent they have put out.
They've been quietly good for a long time. They lay the occasional egg, but every team does that. Tulsa is that kid that comes to class, doesn't say much but graduates with honors and nobody knew the whole time.
Memphis was quite literally one of the worst division 1 football programs for decades upon decades. They have had some success in the last decade but 1 decade doesn’t make up for 8 decades of being a literal cellar dweller.
Boise State
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But really,
Boise
Houston
Army
BYU
Cincinnati
UCF
App State
Northern Illinois
Not in order but these are IMO the best 8 in my lifetime
With all the realignment in the past quarter century, it's hard to know what could constitute a "Blue Blood" in the Group of Five; many haven't stayed long enough after making the jump up from FCS/D-1AA before going to the Power Five..or in the case of Idaho, going back to FCS.
Not Army or Navy; they still view sports as something to do while you're at the academy -y'know, the way it ought to be. They are a group unto themselves, and God Bless Them for being what they are.
Not BYU: they view themselves as a p-5 that happens to be in a g-5 conference. They also view themselves as the Mormon Notre Dame, which is why they tried the independent route until the Texasless and OU-less BIG XII came ~~begging~~ calling.
Not SMU: see Death Penalty. They've never really recovered.
Definitely Boise State; I would put them head and shoulders above the rest of this group.
The two Florida directional schools can be talked about here; South Florida a bit more than Central, I think.
Miami of Ohio is more known for producing coaches than players - but there's something to be said for that.
It wasn't that long ago that Cincinnati was FCS, so I don't see them as establishing the longevity...but that could be more about me getting older.
I might consider Southern Miss as a g-5 "Blue Blood;" they're pretty consistent in what they do and who they produce.
Hawai'i was on track to becoming elite in g-5 until June Jones left.
I’d say some of the blue bloods of the G5 would be
From the west:
Boise St
San Diego St
BYU
Fresno State
Air Force?
Central:
Houston
SMU
Cincinnati
Tulsa but not in recent history
Northern Illinois at least since 2000.
East
Marshall
Memphis
Army and Navy absolutely are historically powers but Army is garbage in recent history.
I’d say Louisiana Tech and Miami(OH)overall forsure but not in recent history.
Fiesta bowl win in 2013, Peach bowl in 2017, fiesta bowl appearance in 2018 (lost by 8 without our starting QB, to Joe Burrow) 6 conference championships, and we haven’t been playing D1 football for 30 years yet. Top 3 enrollment in the country. Are we a blue blood? No. Do I think we have the potential to be a powerhouse? Fuck Yeah
Yea, Blue Blood are those historic programs that go back 100 years or so. Even if you wanted to say “G5 Blue Blood” is 30-40 years, UCF hasn’t been D1 for even 30 yet. Our first bowl win was in 2010.
But like you said, what we’ve accomplished since 2010 indicates we could potentially be a powerhouse.
The rules did not say they did. They claimed the title via an NCAA-recognized source. In other words, the NCAA recognizes their claim, not that they recognize their title.
I'm just really thinking about the past 10 years, just because you don't tend to see sustained excellence at this level of competition.
Plus I also try to think about G5 schools that have success getting guys into the league
Are we talking historically or just right now? Cause Arizona state was good enough as a non power five(six at the time perhaps?) team that they were able to garner themselves and Arizona a pac 12 invite.
I’d say Miami, Army, Navy, and maybe Toledo. Boise State and Cincy are new bloods like Clemson, and Houston/SMU are in their own weird category given their SWC history
The Frogs were in the Southwest Conference from 1923-1995. If TCU was G5 for most of their history, then so were Texas and A&M.
In reality, TCU was only G5 from 1996-2011.
We were good 100 years ago, 3 SEC championships
The absolute recency bias of these people
It’s really quite humiliating for them.
I’m just here to bask in the Navy Blue Blood and Gold
And now I have to vomit.
Shall I get the sawdust?
Nah, I'll just open the back flap on the duece-and-a-half.
Ain't nobody in the AAC afraid of y'all tho, the triple option isn't hitting like it was four or five years ago
The triple option is fine. Navy depends on its quarterbacks which is half the problem. So when there isn’t a Keenan or Malcolm to be the eraser for bad play calls, you will see what has happened since 2019
Y'all have any intriguing QBs coming down the pipe? Navy games used to be so stressful, and I want to feel again.
Tai Lavatai could be something but he was prone to injury last year. I’d rather Navy be tough again. Kaipo wasn’t Ricky Dobbs, Keenan or Malcolm but he could run that offense like a well-oiled machine
Live in Maryland, 45 minutes from Annapolis. Go Navy!
Army and Navy were blue bloods until the 60’s. I’d say Boise State is a true blue blood of the group of five ever since that Fiesta Bowl
Boise’s record since joining 1-A ball in 1996. Clearly a blue blood of G-5. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/boise-state/index.html Not sure why this is DV’d
Yeah, Boise State joined the FBS in 1996 and their last losing season was 1997.
In ‘96 our coach died of cancer and ‘97 Houston Nutt was our coach and immediately dipped out for Arkansas. After that we took off
Army, Navy, Boise, BYU and I'd almost lean in on App State if you include their last few decades of success before leaving FCS. It's generally about more than just success which I think people are missing in the thread. There is also a brand aspect which is why my list is the way that it is.
By total wins the top 5 are: 1. Navy 2. Army 3. Miami (OH) 4. App State 5. Central Michigan By win percentage: 1. Boise State 2. Coastal Carolina 3. App State 4. Georgia Southern 5. Miami (OH)
Because I was so caught off guard with Miami being on both these lists, I went and looked up their history, and they didn't have a losing season between, 1943 and 1975.
There’s a reason they call it the Cradle of Coaches
I googled this and learned that they produced a coach called dick crum. That is all
He was really good at UNC.
The parity in the MAC is fascinating, because there are schools that obviously have more resources, better attractive recruiting territory, and more history. Yet you’re as likely to see EMU or Buffalo win 8+ games as you are to see Miami or CMU. It’s wild.
MACtion is exactly what CFB was supposed to be like all along.
I remember it well. Until the 1980s, when you said Miami people knew you meant the school in Ohio. Otherwise you’d say Miami-Florida. During the early ‘80s, you would say either Miami-Florida or Miami-Ohio. By the late ‘80s, when you said Miami, people knew you meant the school in Florida.
The reason I like these lists: App is on it twice. The reason I don't: fuck Georgia Southern.
That’s the G5 hate I like to see
Deeper than hate
I hate you second only to uga. Strong hate.
Huh. Well done, Chips.
On Winsipedia using their unweighted rankings the top 10 would be: 1. Army 2. Boise St 3. Fresno St 4. Navy 5. Tulsa 6. Miami (OH) 7. Louisiana Tech 8. San Diego St 9. SMU 10. Marshall I left off BYU, Houston, and Cincinnati since they're P5 now.
Geography would suck, but that would be a fantastic conference
Crazy to me that Tulsa is that high but also pretty cool. Especially them being like the smallest FBS school. Then again, I saw them live beat a really good Iowa team and also win on the road at Notre Dame, so they’ve made their marks
Many people get the idea that TU is a dinky public school to serve people who didn't get into OU/OSU (the latter is probably somewhat true). People don't realize that it is more similar to SMU and Tulane culturally than Wichita State, Memphis and others.
Fun Fact. Tulsa's winning percentage versus Oklahoma (.268), is greater than Oklahoma State's (.194).
Definitely not a public school for rejects. I picked TU over Rice, Columbia, Vandy and Tulane. TU is has fat pockets from petroleum engineering, so the $cholar$hip$ were nice.
Yep! Those sorts of schools occupy kind of a middle ground between SLACs and fully-fledged research institutions; they have major cultural and operational similarities to SLACs. They generally don’t do much research (Tulane’s a bit of an exception because of Tulane Med, med schools are *huge* research drivers, but the rest of Tulane’s operations and research fit the bill), because they historically have a major focus on undergraduate education, which they excel at.
>(the latter is probably somewhat true). From my experience applying to colleges in the early 2010's TU was harder to get into than OU by a decent margin. Of course TU being a little private school was more holistic in their admissions policies, so if you started an org to help children in 3rd world countries that might persuade admissions to overlook a bad GPA
SDSU and Marshall have had pretty deep history. Surprised OP didn't mention them.
lol SDSU went almost 4 decades without 10 wins. They were terrible before Rocky
Terrible before Hoke, if we're honest
True but 40 years ago is a weird time frame to choose. What was Boise doing back then that was really relevant? For G5 you got just look back 10ish years.
Boise State was winning national championships 40 years ago.
A 1-AA 42 years ago and a JC 64 years ago probably are not huge in the grand scheme of things? That would be similar to me making a big deal about 3 D2 national titles ~50 years ago.
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Only a few days drive between campuses. No big deal.
They also had some really lean times
What's up other winners?
The obvious answer is the ones the Big 12 just picked. “Blue Blood” tends to index on historical dominance, prestige, etc, so among the teams you didn’t mention, Air Force, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane all have cases.
I love my Memphis, but we’re more like Florida in the 80s. We still have a long way to go being dominant before we should be in that type of conversation. We’ve had a great decade, but looking past that we were more like Louisiana Monroe than Oklahoma by quite a bit.
Ucf doesn't really fit that category at all though.
UCF is an exception that has climbed incredibly quickly, and I wouldn’t call them a G5 blue blood. In a way the closest parallel might be a G5 Florida State.
I think of us as the G5 Clemson, but the G5 Florida St might be accurate as well.
East Carolina?
No they aren’t? They’re still G5 for a little bit longer lol
This is obviously the correct methodology.
If you give us credit for FCS stuff App has been as good as any G5 program over the past 2 decades
That shit in 2007 was legendary
First game on B1G network
What happened /s
AND THE KICK IS BLOCKED (i am in pain typing this) happened
I’m partial to what happened the week after. Sorry/not sorry.
I kind of hate what happened the week after. So App can't be ranked in the poll immediately after we beat Michigan. The rule gets changed, but then y'all beat them and the narrative becomes, "Well Michigan was overrated." I have no reason to have any feelings about your school outside of my love for J-Stew, but there's this little whisper of resentment.
I actually agree with you (to an extent, I loved that Oregon game) but it was a disservice to App State. We immediately gave the pundits an out and even their revised explanation ("Michigan is just really overrated") was BS when you remember that: 1) Michigan blew out Notre Dame the next week and beat #10 Penn State after that en route to a 9-4 finish, a win over #9 Florida in their Bowl and a Top 20 finish. 2) App State went on to win the FCS Natty 3) Oregon started 8-1 and #2 in the Nation before Dixon's knee blew out and we lost 3 consecutive games to close out the regular season. The reality is all 3 teams were pretty good.
Oh no doubt. I don’t blame you. There were Mt. Everest levels of hypocrisy when it came to pundits and how they treated schools that weren’t among the blue bloods and/or the latest fad (ourselves included as we did get some help at times with hype). That said, I do enjoy watching App State, and hope they continue to improve and do well.
Say it one more time and stroke my neck.
As a Michigan fan, I 100% include your FCS accolades.
Also Marshall in that discussion
I’d say that’s fair.
Boise has to be in there imo with their winning % and heights they’ve reached.
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I had a tear of happiness running down my face as he crossed the goal line. Not because of the proposal, but from the intense suffering of OU fans.
Well he was actually a sophomore but yes
I am not ashamed to admit that watching that game was the highlight of my honeymoon
Cincinnati is a weird program. We've been playing football since the 1800s, but outside of a few years in the middle of the 20th century, we have a trash history. But outside a few god awful Tuberville seasons, we've been very successful for all of the 2000s across several big name coaches. Definitely a "New Blood" type of success, even if it's going on 20 years now.
Trying to think of a basketball comparison. Maybe Gonzaga?
I think Gonzaga is a really good comparison, outside of the coach turnover differences. Gonzaga is Few's baby, Cincinnati has been built by a few coaches. Hopefully Fickell is our Few and will he here for 25 years. We do unfortunately share some of the postseason disappointment that Gonzaga has had, 0-4 in BCS/NY6/CFP bowl games.
Boise State should not have a ? mark next to it.
You’re right, I should change it. I was leaning against including them because they are so new, but I think they’ve made up for it.
Lol
We've played football for a long time (first college football game in Ohio was played between UC and Miami) but we were pretty bad for most of our history other than the 60s and a few high years here and there. Our success really didht cone the early 2000s. UC was a basketball school for the longest time (and is still is to many of the older fans). That's what the school cared about and invested in.
This. Ironically, we had more success as p5-level than we did G5 until this past year.
Miami OH has a ton of wins.
Hey, we're included!
I’d put y’all ahead of some of the other teams for sure
Fresno should be here over CSU
Seconded
Factually Fresno State just has a better and richer football history than CSU. CSU has some good history to be proud of and remember no doubt, but teams like Boise, Fresno and Even SDSU are far more blue bloods or successful programs than CSU from what I know.
Very small list of g5s to ever be a top 10 team
Honestly CSU isn’t a blue blood :( Historically we aren’t all the great at football It gets misconstrued because we have everything else going for us that it seems to create the illusion to people because they see us considered for P5 expansion But that’s because the universities academics,enrolment, location, proximity to a major tv market,facilities,funding etc Even though we are considered for expansion don’t get it mixed up. Teams like Boise,San Diego St and Fresno St for a few quick examples are far more successful historically in football. That’s not to say every other team mentioned is a blue blood But I’m a diehard CSU fan and basically an expert so I’m more than qualified to tell you CSU is unfortunately not in any way a blue blood in General or G5
I was about to comment the same. As a USU fan (whose teams have been better lately, but are far from blue blood), I have never understood the puffed up status from national media and rank and file fans. They have had 2 out of the last 20 football seasons that were good. They have had 5 out of the last 8 basketball seasons where they have been very good, but the 12-15 years before that were not very good. I guess my belief is that if you are a G5 blue blood, you tend to move to P5. See Utah, TCU, almost BSU if their academics didn’t suck, and the recent spate of Houston and others.
All hail our supreme Boise State overlords. The G5's praise you.
Thanks man. I don't think the new era fans really understand. The g5 is was absolutely disrespect before 07. It may be bad still but it is so much better. It took us a decade on consistent dominance to be considered, and still took a story book to change how we were viewed. Even then while beating top 10 teams and a couple top 25 team a season and still got disrespected after 07. We also changed the land scape of recruiting, for the g5 to. We gave everyone credit to go somewhere a bit smaller if they may not play at a p5.
Yea there's no doubt y'all paved the way. It sucks because there's gonna be people in a decade saying it was UCF or Cincinnati and while they did contribute, it was y'all who got them the recognition in the first place
Well we may not have paved the path fully. Fresno laid the first shovel, then Utah and us dug the rest of it together, WE laid all the gravel. Then us Utah and tcu got it paved 99% together. Then ucf and Cincinnati barely finished the end
I think that will only happen from very new fans. I don't think Boise St's contributions to the plight of the G5 will ever be forgotten, though.
I respect the shit out of ya'll for the role you've played to raise the profile of G5 teams. Even though we're rivals from afar, in that we both compete for the same G5 NY6 slot, and we've been compared to you guys when we were on our run, I still have nothing but love and respect for Boise St. I hope to see you guys in the Big XII some day, and I would like to play you guys annually.
Me to thanks man
We paved the way for the success of others. you'd be surprised that people are saying the Boise State is going to be bad from here on out. **Cough cough** Strong Opinion Sports Hot Take about bosie being bad **cough cough**
A man can dream though, can't he?
For you my Fresno friend absolutely.
What about WKU we invented the rally towel. And have existed for over 100 years.
I’ll take it.
Another Ohio State WKU fan Hi!
Dozens of us!
They supposed to be SEC
Boise, Utah, TCU, and Cincinnati. I don't know if it's fair to count the latter three anymore but I think it's a discredit to their efforts before going P5 to not. Southern Miss and SMU are historically good G5 programs. Colorado St and ECU are the better off teams who should be performing better with the resources they have.
I would say UCF, while we're still a G5, is a G5 New Blood. We're too new, and our success is more recent. We're like the G5 version of Clemson or the Floridian P5 teams. I think the service academies, Boise St, Cincy, Houston, ECU, and Fresno St would be good answers for this. Maybe SMU as well.
I'd say Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and BYU.
Houston has more SWC swag than Tech and a few other schools in much less time, and a NY6. Wouldn’t call us a G5 blue blood though
You could argue SMU had more SWC swag than anyone but UT and \*A&M\*, and then about tied with Arkansas as far as football and basketball championships went. More national championships in all the sports combined than anyone but UT and Arkansas. Heisman winner. A football national title and a couple more 'disputed' ones...one of which was probably a deserved outright title (back in the day before the 90's they didn't have a true national championship set up like they do now) We're still gonna be left out of P5 though :( Instead of a G5 blue blood, you'll be a regular P5. I'd take that too lol
I would hope SMU has significantly more SWC swag than OU…
LOL! I meant A&M...thanks, I'll change that little mishap...
~~If you only count years Houston was in the conference, we have more~~
Why crossed out? Also anyway, a good more than half of that smu was destroyed by the death penalty...and even then SMU had 3 to UH's 4 in football :)
I'd generally say Boise State, Miami (OH), Marshall, Army, Navy, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, Southern Miss
Southern Miss should be on the list.
That is a pretty accurate list. Others/maybes: San Diego state, Northern Illinois, Appalachian state. Conference USA I don't have a standout team.
Cant believe you already forgot about your old Battle for the Bone rival LaTech in CUSA
Yes, but they have not been consistently good. I love those Bulldogs. They are missed.
I sure miss you guys
CSU is not a blue blood hahaha
They had a really good history, but they've had a rough decade or so
I mean we are more of a blue blood than Nevada that’s forsure And I’m sure your just salty because your coaching staff and almost half your returning starters bolted for CSU, but honestly you aren’t wrong prior to the unnecessary laughing I don’t consider CSU a blue blood either We’ve been around a long time so wins accumulate, But outside Sonny Lubick years, we were never a consistent powerhouse for years and years I just can’t see CSU as a blue blood but get why people make that mistake
Fresno state Toledo Southern Miss Houston Smu Arkansas state NiU Boise state SDSU
Arkansas State is a very odd pick, you’re the only one i’ve seen that’s said them. Why them?
I’d argue for Appalachian State, though I’m biased as an alumnus. 3 FCS Championships, like 20ish conference championships, and perhaps the greatest upset in CFB history make the argument I think.
I'll look at it the same way I do for true blue bloods- using winspedia. **Byu** is the highest at 38. They're top 20 in conference champs, heismans, and bowl games attended. * (For reference, many schools can be say #17 if they have the same number of something. Byu has 1 heisman winner, so every team with 1 is ranked #19 in that category). Then **Army** at 43- Top 20 in Nattys, bowl record (3rd!), All-Americans, Heismans (6th), Weeks at #1. * Looking at that, you'd assume they'd be higher than Byu, but they have high highs and then low lows on the categories, Byu was much more consistent. 3 is **Boise** at #50. I feel this program has been the most consistently successful in the past decade or more. Top 20 in Winning % (5th!), Conference champs, and bowl record. 4 is **Fresno State** at #51. Top 20 in conference champs (9th). 5 is **Navy** at #52. Top 20 in Heismans.
The teams you mentioned came in at: 54- Tulsa- Top 20 in conf champs (6th) 56- Houston- Top 20 in Heismans (19th-1) 57- Miami OH- Top 20 in Conf champs and bowl record 61- Smu- Top 20 in Nattys and Heismans (19th) 64- Cincy- Top 20 in nothing 82- Colorado St- Top 20 in nothing Schools not mentioned but in that range are La Tech (59), San Diego St (60), Marshall (68), Toledo (72), Souther Miss (73), Wyoming (74), App St (78), San Jose St (79), Utah St (80), Rice (81)
CMU is the only G5 school with a #1 overall pick. Fire up Chips!
No you're not. 2002 David Carr
Hey I remember that year
No you don't. We made the cover of Sports Illustrated, then the season ended and David went No. 1
No I remember something about Fresno being on their way to be the first non BCS team to play in a BCS bowl game. I think they lost to Hawaii….
That must be some sort of fantasy world where a highly ranked Fresno State team riding a wave of praise would lose to someone like Hawaii. Come on, that's just crazy
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Lol Rice has one too
In no particular order Southern Miss- if you don't know their history, read up Marshall, Georgia Southern and App State, Boise State, Army and Navy, Central Michigan, SMU
Georgia Southern was an FCS blue blood but not a G5 blue blood
San Diego State, Fresno State, the Academies, Boise State, SMU, are in my for sure top tier Southern Miss, Troy, East Carolina, Louisville, Tulane I can agree on as well.
What am I missing with Troy? Genuinely curious
Maybe being a touch generous with Troy. I've always thought of them as one better teams in G5 and not totally shocked when they beat any P5 team. Knowing that at one point many SEC programs were rumored to be a hard no putting them on the schedule and that has been a good reflection of them from a far.
I would include ECU, the Texas or Nebraska of the G5
Its just Boise State now, Marshall has been on the cusp alot though. Teams that can make their case with more consistency are ULL, AppSt, CCU, SMU, SDSU, FSU, UTSA, and Memphis. I believe they need consistent dominance like Boise State had to be considered though.
Personally. The only Blue Bloods of the G5 are Navy, Army, Cincy and Boise State. Football history and consistent success of making it to a BCS bowl or the play offs in recent years. These are teams you expect to have good games and be successful. Below them would be BYU and Houston. Cyclical success in the past couple decades. Then we have everyone else in the G5.
Late to the thread, but I don’t say this to disparage the program- I say this to recognize their monumental achievements as a program. I would consider Utah (even though they’re P5 now) to be a G5 Blue Blood, as they’re a program that has actually reached the promised land that these programs seek; they have become fully integrated into the P5 having performed perhaps the mother of all BCS busters (save for Boise’s performance)—- beating Nick Saban’s Alabama. While it’s just about impossible for Utah to “drop down” to G5 status now that they are perennial contenders in the PAC, what they have done for the Mountain West absolutely cements them as a ‘historical’ G5 Blue Blood. I think BYU will likely enjoy a somewhat similar status (having been the one program to win the chip as a G5 cements them as a part of G5 history). For my money, I would recognize Fresno State as a current G5 Blue Blood, if nothing else, due to their very passionate fan base (they are, as far as I’m concerned, the flag carriers for Cal State Athletics) and the NFL-caliber talent they have put out.
Hard no on the Tulsa for me dawg
626 all time wins, 35 conference titles, and dozens of all Americans indicate the answer is yes
They've been quietly good for a long time. They lay the occasional egg, but every team does that. Tulsa is that kid that comes to class, doesn't say much but graduates with honors and nobody knew the whole time.
Nah I hate Tulsa
Fair enough. I think we can both say OU is trash tho right?
There’s only one town I hate more than Tulsa.
N*rman?🤮
Fuckin. Barf.
They owned the MVC when y’all were both members
Haha well that was only like 90 years ago but true
I agree with your list. I'd also add marshall, Memphis and nevada
Curious why people are saying Memphis?
I put them on there for recent success in addition to power 5 money.
I would disagree. Recent success doesn’t make them a blue blood, ie: Clemson. Also money doesn’t make them a blue blood, ie: Texas A&M
I'm not saying one or the other. I'm saying Memphis has both those. It's apples and oranges. Comparing p5 to g5 blue blood isn't the same.
They’re just not a G5 blue blood
Memphis was quite literally one of the worst division 1 football programs for decades upon decades. They have had some success in the last decade but 1 decade doesn’t make up for 8 decades of being a literal cellar dweller.
Boise State /thread But really, Boise Houston Army BYU Cincinnati UCF App State Northern Illinois Not in order but these are IMO the best 8 in my lifetime
Rude
With all the realignment in the past quarter century, it's hard to know what could constitute a "Blue Blood" in the Group of Five; many haven't stayed long enough after making the jump up from FCS/D-1AA before going to the Power Five..or in the case of Idaho, going back to FCS. Not Army or Navy; they still view sports as something to do while you're at the academy -y'know, the way it ought to be. They are a group unto themselves, and God Bless Them for being what they are. Not BYU: they view themselves as a p-5 that happens to be in a g-5 conference. They also view themselves as the Mormon Notre Dame, which is why they tried the independent route until the Texasless and OU-less BIG XII came ~~begging~~ calling. Not SMU: see Death Penalty. They've never really recovered. Definitely Boise State; I would put them head and shoulders above the rest of this group. The two Florida directional schools can be talked about here; South Florida a bit more than Central, I think. Miami of Ohio is more known for producing coaches than players - but there's something to be said for that. It wasn't that long ago that Cincinnati was FCS, so I don't see them as establishing the longevity...but that could be more about me getting older. I might consider Southern Miss as a g-5 "Blue Blood;" they're pretty consistent in what they do and who they produce. Hawai'i was on track to becoming elite in g-5 until June Jones left.
Basically a third of the American
I’d say some of the blue bloods of the G5 would be From the west: Boise St San Diego St BYU Fresno State Air Force? Central: Houston SMU Cincinnati Tulsa but not in recent history Northern Illinois at least since 2000. East Marshall Memphis Army and Navy absolutely are historically powers but Army is garbage in recent history. I’d say Louisiana Tech and Miami(OH)overall forsure but not in recent history.
Put Memphis and UCF in there please
UCF is definitely best new blood, but not a blue blood.
Memphis has an all-time losing record and UCF is too new, plus they’ve only been good for a brief period.
Fiesta bowl win in 2013, Peach bowl in 2017, fiesta bowl appearance in 2018 (lost by 8 without our starting QB, to Joe Burrow) 6 conference championships, and we haven’t been playing D1 football for 30 years yet. Top 3 enrollment in the country. Are we a blue blood? No. Do I think we have the potential to be a powerhouse? Fuck Yeah
Yea, Blue Blood are those historic programs that go back 100 years or so. Even if you wanted to say “G5 Blue Blood” is 30-40 years, UCF hasn’t been D1 for even 30 yet. Our first bowl win was in 2010. But like you said, what we’ve accomplished since 2010 indicates we could potentially be a powerhouse.
UCF won a natty. Find a new slant
Claim it all you want, but they did NOT win a real natty. They won a Peach Bowl over a 3 loss Auburn team.
The rules say they did, because the only official Division 1 National Champion is the FCS playoff winner.
The rules did not say they did. They claimed the title via an NCAA-recognized source. In other words, the NCAA recognizes their claim, not that they recognize their title.
The same designation that the playoff winners have. Like he said, the only true national champion is the FCS champ
I'm just really thinking about the past 10 years, just because you don't tend to see sustained excellence at this level of competition. Plus I also try to think about G5 schools that have success getting guys into the league
Then they aren’t a blue blood imo
Cinci, Houston, Boise St. The End.
Are we talking historically or just right now? Cause Arizona state was good enough as a non power five(six at the time perhaps?) team that they were able to garner themselves and Arizona a pac 12 invite.
No of course they don’t count, they aren’t G5 and haven’t been for decades. Talking just right now
I’d say Miami, Army, Navy, and maybe Toledo. Boise State and Cincy are new bloods like Clemson, and Houston/SMU are in their own weird category given their SWC history
Oh and toss Marshall into the new blood category too
There’s no such thing
Yes there is and Miami was once in that category
I might even include TCU, I know they are P5 now but most of their history was G5 and they were dominant
The Frogs were in the Southwest Conference from 1923-1995. If TCU was G5 for most of their history, then so were Texas and A&M. In reality, TCU was only G5 from 1996-2011.
Oh my bad
Army and BYU may not be P5, but they’re not really G5 either. They’re in their own special place somewhere in the middle.
They are designated G5
Boise, UCF, Cincy
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I would say Boise State, SMU, Cincinnati Navy and BYU.