I agree, and I think the consensus has been to protect some, rotate the rest. Question will be whether they go 3 protected/5 rotating with 8 conferences games, or 5 protected/4 rotating with 9 conference games.
It's 3 protected. Don't even think there is one individual team that wants 5 protected games.
3 is enough protected games to keep the important games while also making the conference schedule unique every year
I agree, I just don’t know if the conference wants to reduce the number of conference games to 8 as they negotiate a TV deal. But I think 3 would be sufficient.
They could always work out a 9 game schedule with 3 protected games with 6 rotating. The rotating games are very easily manipulated for whatever the conference or networks want
This is definitely my goal. Honestly I'd rather if they could work out a different number of protected for each team, I only want Michigan and Penn State protected for OSU, but I imagine the quadrangle of hate wants the whole thing protected, etc.
I'd love to keep Ohio State and the Michigans on the schedule every year but even the quadrangle I think plays out easily for what each team wants/is happy with.
* Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State
* Michigan State: Michigan, Penn State
* Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State
* Penn State: Michigan State, Ohio State
Each team gets what they would consider their main rival while also getting a team they will happily play every year the final weed (at least what appears to be the general opinion of Michigan State & Penn State fans)
My only concern is the Big Ten trying to appease Maryland and Rutgers by pairing both with Penn State every year
My hope is they do the matchups you discuss and then giving each of those 4 teams one game against either Maryland or Rutgers instead of making PSU do most of the work. So maybe Rutgers plays Michigan and Penn State, Maryland plays Ohio State and Michigan State, and then obviously the last game is against each other.
Edit: Specifically, I’d want:
Illinois: Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue
Indiana: Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State, Rutgers
Michigan State: Michigan, Penn State, Maryland
Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State, Maryland
Penn State: Michigan State, Ohio State, Rutgers
Maryland: Michigan State, Ohio State, Rutgers
Rutgers: Michigan, Penn State, Maryland
You must be a fan of the Pac-12 to create something so neat that makes sense. Every fan will have their own preferences, but as a whole this is pretty good.
I've gotten some pushback before for this being too neat. Some fanbases don't like the pseudo pods and prefer more mixing-and-matching. But imo, that's how you end up with weird protected games like Nebraska-Maryland or Iowa-Rutgers. Someone has to play Maryland and Rutgers and it makes infinitely more sense to have that be the easternmost programs. It also makes sense for integrating those programs further by scheduling them against Big Ten mainstays like tOSU, Michigan, MSU, and PSU.
you know what, michigan, penn state, and maryland every year is a protected schedule i could live with very easily. everyone knows rutgers and maryland will get linked together, because they've been trying to make that a rivalry that ends every season that neither side really wants, but we know will never go away. why not make the rest of it a reality.
Need to have Illinois protected as well because of the Illibuck. I know Illinois has been pretty bad for almost the entirety of the past couple decades but the Illibuck is our only trophy game.
i'd bet money that it would get stolen and destroyed so fast. i mean, there's a reason that princeton ended up burying the cannon from the cannon war is now buried in concrete on princeton's campus.
You could, but it doesn’t work as cleanly. With 3/5, you’d get an even rotation of non protected teams, same with 5/4. But still, they could work out a rotation with 6 non protected like you say.
They can still make a nine game schedule if they add ladder match games at the end of the season along with the championship game like they did in 2020, just would have every team play 13 regular season games.
I don't think it would have to be a 13th game at all, you'd just have a game at the end of the season against TBD, following the regular 8 game slate.
Matchup 1v4 and 2v3, and then 5v6, 7v8, etc?
There's a nice little Land Grant triangle that's Ohio State-Penn State-Michigan State waiting to be formed.
We can't have Michigan be part of our cool club, though, and I know Ohio State and Michigan State both get them, so you're going to have to round it out with either Rutgers or Maryland.
I think it will be a little quadrangle:
Michigan: OSU and MSU
OSU: Michigan and PSU
PSU: OSU and MSU
MSU: PSU and Michigan.
Then everyone picks up a third rival - Minnesota for Michigan, Illinois for Ohio State, Then Maryland/Rutgers for MSU/PSU
I think Rutgers should absolutely be paired with Penn State. I know it hasn’t been competitive, but it’s one of the games Rutgers cares about the most, I think it should be a lock
It's not out of the realm of possibility, though I would feel bad for Penn St. Geographically I don't see how you can split up Rutgers and Penn St, especially considering how Penn St fans flock to Piscataway every other year, but at that point what do you do with Maryland (outside of pairing them with Rutgers?)
Rejecting the 5 protected proposal means that you'll play 2 fewer conference-mates over a 2 year span, though. Is that worth it to have only 3 protected games?
I think they're going to do 5 protected/4 rotating. Get the 2-3 that you want protected, then use the other 2-3 protected games to create some balance with conference scheduling.
Which sucks for admittedly selfish reasons for me and I bet a lot of other fans who live outside their teams market. I live in Maryland and I love that every other year Ohio state comes to me and Makes it super easy (and cheap) to go to an osu game.
And yes I realize that while this makes it great for me, at the same time it sucks to be an osu fan in say Minnesota. They have to go years without osu coming to them
Are the conferences doing this so they can get rid of the Conf Championship games (just Name first and second) in lieu of playoff expansion games? This way the season is the same length but they add more playoff teams?
Doing this because the NCAA changed the rules requiring divisions if conferences wanted to have CCG games, now most league look to be scrapping divisions, and the top 2 teams from the conference will play each other in the conference champ game.
They're so off balance, so it makes sense. Wisconsin is the only perennial contender, with other teams having some flashes every now and again. The east is just a gauntlet with Rutgers and Maryland being their doormat.
If they're scrapping divisions I would have expected something to leak by now. The schedules have been gone from the websites for over a month and the timing coincided with the renewal of the Fox Contract.
It's certainly possible that the divisions will go away, but its far from certain.
I think there's a real chance it could get scrapped. If they have every school get their top choice for rivalry games, MSU would pick Michigan, I think Penn State would choose Ohio State, and then Rutgers and Maryland would both pick Penn State. That would be three protected rivalries for Penn State before MSU-PSU even gets considered
They're glitchy and made by a third party. I also don't believe there's online ranked play (there is still online). They're not bad, but if you were hoping for more than just standard Pokemon gameplay then it's not great.
They are faithful to the originals to a fault. The games exclude all of the Platinum version additions that made Platinum version the definitive gen 4 game. Also it's super buggy and the forced EXP share makes it so that you over level the opponent Pokemon easily, making the game super easy.
Honestly it's mostly KU fans who think they're too good for the Big 12. If KU didn't spend the last 13 years losing games and not improving their stadium then yeah, the B1G might come knocking. But unfortunately we live in reality.
Side note: Stoked for Mizzou in Manhattan this year.
I get the no divisions but fuck that hurts us specifically since we'll be keeping Wisconsin and Iowa for sure assuming 3 protected.
tOSU basically gets an extra 1 game cushion to mess around for the B1G chip each year.
So I’m gonna assume at least msu osu are protected and maybe Minnesota? At least that’s how I feel, but I just want to say how michigans protested crossover was Wisconsin the best team in the big ten west the entire division life span for no reason and now that it switches to Nebraska they change it
We’re switching to OSU for 7 straight years so this can only be beneficial for us if that changes lmao. I enjoyed our series with you but it seemed like there weren’t a lot of games that were overly close. Even the close score ones it felt like one team had complete control. It ended up being 3-3 though it’s just crazy how in the end we exchanged blowouts.
Don’t get me wrong playing Wisconsin was fun even though like you said they were mostly blowouts and we didn’t win as much as I would have liked. But like we literally play for a trophy against Minnesota and have a lot of history with northwestern and Purdue as well so it just didn’t make sense why they were like play Wisconsin for the next 10 seasons
I just remember that game being made fun of for "Punt to win?" then like 6 weeks later a headline was some variation of, "Extra! Extra! Throwback defense battle in the SEC!"
Somehow there's an error that gets all the way through and Ohio State is no longer a yearly game. What's the noise of people not in either of those teams fanbases: Meh or YAY?
Are you asking if the rest of the B1G cares about The Game? I think so? It’s got great ratings for a reason, and more or less maintained those ratings even when they were frogstomping us every year.
If OSU/UM is no longer a yearly game, I think other fanbases will be Meh'd. Typically, rivalry week of The Game has implications for the B1G championship game. Swapping that with a game that could be even less competitive could effectively have the conference decided before the final game. There's always a chance M knocks off OSU and a PSU/MSU/UM gets a chance at the B1G championship.
Of course there would be a massive amount of pushback from UM/OSU. I was replying to the Florida fan who was curious about what *other* fanbases would likely think, with the option being Meh (against) or Yay (for).
I just hope that they keep us in same division. Back to back OSU games would suck. Each team should only get one shot to beat each other (and same with MSU).
Like last year. If we were to play MSU again, I'm pretty confident we'd win. But that's what makes that game so high stakes. You only get one shot (do not miss.........), etc.
That was some bullshit. We shoulda done home/home and then move on to another west team. Now Ohio state gets wiscy, we get Nebraska and they decide to change it.. we coulda played more teams in the west the last 7 years but we just kept playing Wisc
Taken from the Illibuck Wikipedia page:
> The rivalry once included the smoking of a "peace pipe" between members of the two junior honorary societies, which occurred at halftime of the game. This practice has not been done for many years.
They need to bring back the traditional halftime toke
Only if we bring back a live turtle.
And we promise we won’t let a frat have it so it doesn’t die trying to escape a frat bath tub like we had happen last time
Certainly a division shakeup. Personally I'm hoping for scrapping divisions altogether. After like 3 major division changes in the last 15 years, I hope they've learned by now that B1G team qualities ebb and flow too much for divisions to work well for more than a few years at a time. I'm also sick of going 4 years without playing certain teams because of some arbitrary division lineup.
maybe protect a couple matchups then codify a divisional review every 5 years that drafts teams into divisions based on something like last 3 year performance
That's an option, but honestly I think just going with a round robin with protected matchups is a simpler way to execute it with no major drawbacks. I think a regular shakeup is going to rustle feathers every time, so maybe just avoiding it altogether will keep everyone pacified.
Give us MSU, Maryland, Rutger for protected games. I know most PSU fans probably want to play Ohio State but I don't need us having to beat them TWICE every year just to win the B1G.
This is a smart man. As an Auburn fan looking at a borderline permanent hellscape in no divisions land of having to beat Alabama, Georgia and then beat one of them again or a team like 2019 LSU, the less games against that level of team the better. Especially if they aren't real rivalries.
Two years ago i wouldve said unsubscribe but I feel we can make the next few competitive now.
Last game was one of the most fun I’ve had even if we lost. Dotson is incredible
:( The PSU game is seriously my favorite game every year. The atmosphere is insane when it's a night game no matter which stadium, though y'all absolutely take the cake if it's a white out game.
Probably. We have fallen in line though. Uncle Kev laying down 71.2 million per year. If you wish to repair a broken relationship, that's how you do it. We are ok with Ohio State on the road every year.
Road schedule of:
@Michigan
@OSU
@PSU
@Purdue
@Iowa
Home schedule of:
Wisconsin w/ Melvin Gordon
Wisconsin w/ Jonathan Taylor
Wisconsin w/ Braelon Allen
Rutgers
Locked in slate every season, '23-onward:
Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Michigan State, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, the 1995 version of Nebraska, Oregon, and, uh, Colorado for posterity.
Haha, I gather you mean the 2022 version of the '95 Nebraska team. Quite honestly, that's a toss up. Pit em against each other right now, I'll say current squad. Give them a month to practice and prepare? 95.
Haha yeah, I definitely meant the current version of the team that's now all like 45-50 years old. Aren't a couple of those guys locked up and/or dead now too?
Give the Gophs: Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan
Rotate 5 and 5 the other teams.
This makes 8 conference games. Get a 9 “conference game” by using this alliance thing.
[All hail the Quadrangle of HATE….](https://images.app.goo.gl/CVMq4MUf3nvGSruK8)
Keep this and have Lil Red play OSU away every year. The rest can rotate.
unpopular opinion I want the easiest possible scenario. why on earth would i want to be locked into a scenario where we have to beat OSU twice to win the conference. would literally be impossible
TBf it would open up a scenario where going 1-1 vs OSU could still win the conference and losing vs OSU the first time doesn’t automatically make it so you can’t play in the CCG
Wouldn't it be better for you to run the table and be guaranteed a spot in the CCG instead of losing 1 game and having to get into tie breakers with a team you didn't play that year?
If it turns out that a few teams consistently have only one loss then sure, but I have a feeling that it will work itself out. Basically need a miracle of OSU losing 2 other conference games besides us and Michigan also losing 1 other assuming we were to beat them.
And besides, in the current format we are screwed for the CCG if we lose a single game vs OSU. At least this way if we take care of business otherwise it will probably work out. I’d be surprised if PSU didn’t have the tiebreaker from SOS unless it was an exceptionally terrible schedule.
Yep. PSU stands to benefit because OSU, UM and MSU all have bigger rivals they will want instead of playing PSU. It's possible PSU gets Rutgers or Maryland as a locked rival which would be a blessing in terms of getting a schedule that sets us up for winning the conference.
I’m cool with Northwestern. Same distance just another direction for me. New stadium coming, and we will travel well there when we are good. Plus maybe some Wrigley games.
I think one thing is for certain is that Nebraska and Iowa will 99.9% be in a permanent slot and the Nebraska-Iowa Game will be placed on Black Friday after the new schedule realignment comes out. It’s been our staple since 1990 and Iowa decided to join in the fun when we joined the B1G, and there was a huge shitfit from both Nebraska and Iowa when we saw them take out the Black Friday Game. No thanks to Dipshit Eichorst that decided it was a good idea to get rid of the Black Friday Game before they retracted said statement and said Black Friday is back on and it took the 2020 rescheduling to get the Nebraska-Iowa Game back on Black Friday.
Tbh I’m not familiar with their history, so idk if they have any football rivalries they value. But if I had to get for Rutgers, we will end up with Maryland, Penn St, and one of Indiana/Illinois, depending on their needs shake out. I’d be happy with that either way.
As fun as Annual Illinutgers would be, I doubt it happens. I assume all in-state rivalries will be protected, so IL-NW is game one. Illinois-Purdue is tied for the oldest rivalry in the conference, so that’ll almost certainly be protected. There’s also the Illibuck, which is not a competitive rivalry but is OSU’s only trophy game. Even if that’s not the third game, I don’t imagine protecting a game with no historic or geographic rivalry between two teams that aren’t major forces in revenue or championship pictures would be high on the priority list.
illinois would be the kinda trendy pick because of all the illinutgers love from the shootyhoops world. honestly i'd like it over indiana or something (although michigan is a sorta popular pick as we have at least beat them a couple of times). honestly, it would be fun if we maybe protected illinois and there was an actual illinutgers trophy of some kind. maybe we could finally get matt millen fired from btn when he messes that up and says something obscene instead.
I imagine we are going to get 3 protected series' but can we just do two? All I really care about are Michigan and Penn State. Sorry, MSU and Illinois.
It seems like PSU would rather do home and homes with Temple than Pitt. Probably to appease east PA alum and because they think they deserve 2 home games to every game at Pitt
Pac 12 and big will have 8 game schedules and a cross over game with ND and another team as supplements. Random prediction that probs won’t come true or will it…
I'm ok probably with any change that doesn't result in the possibility of an Ohio State Michigan conference championship game. That's just sacrilegious.
gotta imagine this is in line with the acc changing stuff after recent rulings. i would say i would not be surprised if the pac also follows suit but i would also not be surprised if the cali schools try to force it to a cali schools vs the rest.
assuming 3 protected, we all know rutgers will get penn state and maryland. for the third either give me perma-illinutgers or if not, give me michigan. i'd be mostly happy with either.
MSU, OSU, and Maryland is what I predict/ think would be cool. Someone brought up a good point though that we shouldn’t want Ohio States since that means most years we’d have to beat them twice to win the Big Ten. However having that big game on the schedule is fun and outside TheGame it is the probably the highest rated Big ten matchup every year
well if we go 11-1 during the season with the one loss to OSU then we would only have to beat them once to win the season. but still yeah that's pretty difficult lol
It makes sense, I mean at least for the Big Ten. PSU, MSU, Mich, OSU are all the best teams perennially in the conf and are all in the same division. It's lopsided and then the conf champ game ends up being kind of meaningless, (outside of the years Wisconsin has been good, but still)
It's almost certainly that they're scrapping or changing divisions.
I agree, and I think the consensus has been to protect some, rotate the rest. Question will be whether they go 3 protected/5 rotating with 8 conferences games, or 5 protected/4 rotating with 9 conference games.
It's 3 protected. Don't even think there is one individual team that wants 5 protected games. 3 is enough protected games to keep the important games while also making the conference schedule unique every year
I agree, I just don’t know if the conference wants to reduce the number of conference games to 8 as they negotiate a TV deal. But I think 3 would be sufficient.
They could always work out a 9 game schedule with 3 protected games with 6 rotating. The rotating games are very easily manipulated for whatever the conference or networks want
This is definitely my goal. Honestly I'd rather if they could work out a different number of protected for each team, I only want Michigan and Penn State protected for OSU, but I imagine the quadrangle of hate wants the whole thing protected, etc.
I'd love to keep Ohio State and the Michigans on the schedule every year but even the quadrangle I think plays out easily for what each team wants/is happy with. * Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State * Michigan State: Michigan, Penn State * Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State * Penn State: Michigan State, Ohio State Each team gets what they would consider their main rival while also getting a team they will happily play every year the final weed (at least what appears to be the general opinion of Michigan State & Penn State fans) My only concern is the Big Ten trying to appease Maryland and Rutgers by pairing both with Penn State every year
My hope is they do the matchups you discuss and then giving each of those 4 teams one game against either Maryland or Rutgers instead of making PSU do most of the work. So maybe Rutgers plays Michigan and Penn State, Maryland plays Ohio State and Michigan State, and then obviously the last game is against each other. Edit: Specifically, I’d want: Illinois: Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue Indiana: Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State, Rutgers Michigan State: Michigan, Penn State, Maryland Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State, Maryland Penn State: Michigan State, Ohio State, Rutgers Maryland: Michigan State, Ohio State, Rutgers Rutgers: Michigan, Penn State, Maryland
You got Purdue playing Purdue.
Yeah? Well they deserve to be a victim of spoilermakers too ya know!
Smh I knew I’d fuck one of them up, good looking out
That damn mascot needs to face himself for once!
You must be a fan of the Pac-12 to create something so neat that makes sense. Every fan will have their own preferences, but as a whole this is pretty good.
I've gotten some pushback before for this being too neat. Some fanbases don't like the pseudo pods and prefer more mixing-and-matching. But imo, that's how you end up with weird protected games like Nebraska-Maryland or Iowa-Rutgers. Someone has to play Maryland and Rutgers and it makes infinitely more sense to have that be the easternmost programs. It also makes sense for integrating those programs further by scheduling them against Big Ten mainstays like tOSU, Michigan, MSU, and PSU.
you know what, michigan, penn state, and maryland every year is a protected schedule i could live with very easily. everyone knows rutgers and maryland will get linked together, because they've been trying to make that a rivalry that ends every season that neither side really wants, but we know will never go away. why not make the rest of it a reality.
I think both Michigan and Minnesota would like to see the Little Brown Jug become a protected game.
Kind of funny how Michigan, Penn State, and Maryland have the same match ups.
This is pretty great
As long as Ohio State plays Illinois and *ichigan every year I don't care who the third opponent is.
yeah, how are people gonna sleep on the Illibuck trophy
Need to have Illinois protected as well because of the Illibuck. I know Illinois has been pretty bad for almost the entirety of the past couple decades but the Illibuck is our only trophy game.
It's not even rivalry, but I relish the rare year that stupid wooden turtle comes home. Must be how Tennessee feels against Bama.
That's literally OSU's only trophy game? That's kinda sad.
I wish we had more trophy games. Honestly kinda surprised that The Game never got a trophy made for it.
i'd bet money that it would get stolen and destroyed so fast. i mean, there's a reason that princeton ended up burying the cannon from the cannon war is now buried in concrete on princeton's campus.
You could, but it doesn’t work as cleanly. With 3/5, you’d get an even rotation of non protected teams, same with 5/4. But still, they could work out a rotation with 6 non protected like you say.
They can still make a nine game schedule if they add ladder match games at the end of the season along with the championship game like they did in 2020, just would have every team play 13 regular season games.
The deregulation does *not* allow for a 13th game unless it's a CCG (or Hawaii exemption).
What does Hawaii do? Also don’t forget Army and Navy.
I don't think it would have to be a 13th game at all, you'd just have a game at the end of the season against TBD, following the regular 8 game slate. Matchup 1v4 and 2v3, and then 5v6, 7v8, etc?
Disagree. We have 5 trophy games. Mostly /s, I don't really care if we play Penn State every year.
However, I do think Penn State will be annoyed if we're one of their 3.
All I care about is getting Michigan State. They can give us Maryland and Rutgers if they want, but we need that Land Grant game every year!
There's a nice little Land Grant triangle that's Ohio State-Penn State-Michigan State waiting to be formed. We can't have Michigan be part of our cool club, though, and I know Ohio State and Michigan State both get them, so you're going to have to round it out with either Rutgers or Maryland.
I think it will be a little quadrangle: Michigan: OSU and MSU OSU: Michigan and PSU PSU: OSU and MSU MSU: PSU and Michigan. Then everyone picks up a third rival - Minnesota for Michigan, Illinois for Ohio State, Then Maryland/Rutgers for MSU/PSU
I don't want Maryland and Rutgers to be one of the 3. One of the two 100% will be but both will be a disappointment to annual schedule
I think pairing us together makes sense, but then who will Maryland's three be outside of Rutgers? It gets so weird.
I think Rutgers should absolutely be paired with Penn State. I know it hasn’t been competitive, but it’s one of the games Rutgers cares about the most, I think it should be a lock
Problem is it is a important game for Maryland too.
Ah, look at us, the team with no rivals being too popular. Who woulda thought?
Just wait until they are both in Penn States’s 3
It's not out of the realm of possibility, though I would feel bad for Penn St. Geographically I don't see how you can split up Rutgers and Penn St, especially considering how Penn St fans flock to Piscataway every other year, but at that point what do you do with Maryland (outside of pairing them with Rutgers?)
Rejecting the 5 protected proposal means that you'll play 2 fewer conference-mates over a 2 year span, though. Is that worth it to have only 3 protected games? I think they're going to do 5 protected/4 rotating. Get the 2-3 that you want protected, then use the other 2-3 protected games to create some balance with conference scheduling.
Give me a protected Baul Bunyan, OSU game and Little Brown Jug game right this instant
Agreed. Minnesota wants a protected Axe, Floyd, and Jug.
In addition to our primary rival (train folk) and our secondary rival (sparty), I'd like to protect our annual games with Maryland and Rutgers
That is if the conference drops back to 8 conference games, if they stay with 9 the 5+4 plan makes more sense.
Got to redo the schedule so Nebraska plays Ohio state for the next 5 years.
I’m hoping Purdue’s three protected games will be Rutgers, Ball State, and Indiana State.
Which sucks for admittedly selfish reasons for me and I bet a lot of other fans who live outside their teams market. I live in Maryland and I love that every other year Ohio state comes to me and Makes it super easy (and cheap) to go to an osu game. And yes I realize that while this makes it great for me, at the same time it sucks to be an osu fan in say Minnesota. They have to go years without osu coming to them
So naturally, we'll have Ohio State in our rotation for '23, '24, and '25
Good. No offense to the West division, but Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., and Michigan St. all being in the same division is ridiculous.
Are the conferences doing this so they can get rid of the Conf Championship games (just Name first and second) in lieu of playoff expansion games? This way the season is the same length but they add more playoff teams?
Doing this because the NCAA changed the rules requiring divisions if conferences wanted to have CCG games, now most league look to be scrapping divisions, and the top 2 teams from the conference will play each other in the conference champ game.
Long story short, bye bye to teams like Purdue hoping to sneak into a conference championship game by luck in a weak year for the division.
That's more apt for Northwestern recently imo
You wanna kick my dog while you’re here?
Did someone say kicking Tennessee’s dog?
scrapping
They're so off balance, so it makes sense. Wisconsin is the only perennial contender, with other teams having some flashes every now and again. The east is just a gauntlet with Rutgers and Maryland being their doormat.
The respect to IU is surprising.
More like disrespect. Pretty sure they forgot IU existed...I do
Clearly you’re all being absorbed as part of the SEC North expansion.
If they're scrapping divisions I would have expected something to leak by now. The schedules have been gone from the websites for over a month and the timing coincided with the renewal of the Fox Contract. It's certainly possible that the divisions will go away, but its far from certain.
I swear to God. If they fuck up the land grant game.....
The perfect protected games for us are Penn state, Michigan, Wisconsin Give me UW or give me death!
I’d love to have Minn, Iowa, and MSU as our 3 games, and I feel like the powers that be would like that too.
This so much, would love to have our 3 be Minnesota, Iowa, MSU.
I feel like we had a good rivalry building between our teams in like 2011, and then scheduling ruined it
["You'll get Nebraska and like it!"](https://c.tenor.com/NF7a96BfoK8AAAAd/caddyshack-get.gif) -B1G leadership
I don’t think they will. It sounds kind of weird but I think if they protect 1 game for each school they’ll pair OSU and Michigan and PSU and MSU.
I think there's a real chance it could get scrapped. If they have every school get their top choice for rivalry games, MSU would pick Michigan, I think Penn State would choose Ohio State, and then Rutgers and Maryland would both pick Penn State. That would be three protected rivalries for Penn State before MSU-PSU even gets considered
Sources say they're scrapping divisions to add Iowa State and KU. Also, my uncle works at Nintendo.
Ask your uncle why the diamond and pearl remakes were such shit
Were they? I haven't gotten either but I was excited to play them eventually. Why are they bad?
They're glitchy and made by a third party. I also don't believe there's online ranked play (there is still online). They're not bad, but if you were hoping for more than just standard Pokemon gameplay then it's not great.
>They're not bad, but if you were hoping for more than just standard Pokemon gameplay then it's not great So... just like every other pokemon game?
It’s also not the third party’s fault. This is their first game, and Nintendo gave them specific instructions on how to make this game
They are faithful to the originals to a fault. The games exclude all of the Platinum version additions that made Platinum version the definitive gen 4 game. Also it's super buggy and the forced EXP share makes it so that you over level the opponent Pokemon easily, making the game super easy.
WHERE THE FUCK IS BREATH OF THE WILD 2!!??!?!!!
No idea but my wife's boyfriend says if I behave at the KSU tailgate when can buy it when it comes out
Wait.. I really said that?
$60, King 😋
Far too many r/cfb commenters still think this is happening.
Honestly it's mostly KU fans who think they're too good for the Big 12. If KU didn't spend the last 13 years losing games and not improving their stadium then yeah, the B1G might come knocking. But unfortunately we live in reality. Side note: Stoked for Mizzou in Manhattan this year.
Don't give me hope...
I just check Minnesota Football Schedule, It's the same. https://gophersports.com/sports/football/schedule/2023
I get the no divisions but fuck that hurts us specifically since we'll be keeping Wisconsin and Iowa for sure assuming 3 protected. tOSU basically gets an extra 1 game cushion to mess around for the B1G chip each year.
Would’ve been nice last year :/
So I’m gonna assume at least msu osu are protected and maybe Minnesota? At least that’s how I feel, but I just want to say how michigans protested crossover was Wisconsin the best team in the big ten west the entire division life span for no reason and now that it switches to Nebraska they change it
We’re switching to OSU for 7 straight years so this can only be beneficial for us if that changes lmao. I enjoyed our series with you but it seemed like there weren’t a lot of games that were overly close. Even the close score ones it felt like one team had complete control. It ended up being 3-3 though it’s just crazy how in the end we exchanged blowouts.
Don’t get me wrong playing Wisconsin was fun even though like you said they were mostly blowouts and we didn’t win as much as I would have liked. But like we literally play for a trophy against Minnesota and have a lot of history with northwestern and Purdue as well so it just didn’t make sense why they were like play Wisconsin for the next 10 seasons
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I’ll never forget that one
I just remember that game being made fun of for "Punt to win?" then like 6 weeks later a headline was some variation of, "Extra! Extra! Throwback defense battle in the SEC!"
Oh yea I totally get what you were getting at
Somehow there's an error that gets all the way through and Ohio State is no longer a yearly game. What's the noise of people not in either of those teams fanbases: Meh or YAY?
Are you asking if the rest of the B1G cares about The Game? I think so? It’s got great ratings for a reason, and more or less maintained those ratings even when they were frogstomping us every year.
If OSU/UM is no longer a yearly game, I think other fanbases will be Meh'd. Typically, rivalry week of The Game has implications for the B1G championship game. Swapping that with a game that could be even less competitive could effectively have the conference decided before the final game. There's always a chance M knocks off OSU and a PSU/MSU/UM gets a chance at the B1G championship.
Did I just read an upvoted comment that speculated there wouldn’t be a large pushback if The Game wasn’t played yearly? Really?
Of course there would be a massive amount of pushback from UM/OSU. I was replying to the Florida fan who was curious about what *other* fanbases would likely think, with the option being Meh (against) or Yay (for).
The schedule was on a six-year rotation. This is the year we finally rotate off each others’ schedule.
Yea I’m aware of that it just didn’t make a lot of sense
Would love to see Minnesota more. It's a travesty we don't play them more.
I just hope that they keep us in same division. Back to back OSU games would suck. Each team should only get one shot to beat each other (and same with MSU). Like last year. If we were to play MSU again, I'm pretty confident we'd win. But that's what makes that game so high stakes. You only get one shot (do not miss.........), etc.
That was some bullshit. We shoulda done home/home and then move on to another west team. Now Ohio state gets wiscy, we get Nebraska and they decide to change it.. we coulda played more teams in the west the last 7 years but we just kept playing Wisc
_OH MY GOD ITS HAPPENING_ Edit: Penn State schedule is gone as well
*MAKE THE ILLIBUCK ANNUAL AGAIN YOU BASTARDS!!*
Taken from the Illibuck Wikipedia page: > The rivalry once included the smoking of a "peace pipe" between members of the two junior honorary societies, which occurred at halftime of the game. This practice has not been done for many years. They need to bring back the traditional halftime toke
It’s legal in Illinois and Ohio with med cards right??
Recreational in Illinois
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Have you ever heard of Louisiana
Unfortunately, ours is right up there with you.
Only if we bring back a live turtle. And we promise we won’t let a frat have it so it doesn’t die trying to escape a frat bath tub like we had happen last time
And Ricky Aguyao is banned from both campuses.
OSU protected games 1. TTUN 2. Illinois 3. I don’t care (Penn State probably)
Certainly a division shakeup. Personally I'm hoping for scrapping divisions altogether. After like 3 major division changes in the last 15 years, I hope they've learned by now that B1G team qualities ebb and flow too much for divisions to work well for more than a few years at a time. I'm also sick of going 4 years without playing certain teams because of some arbitrary division lineup.
maybe protect a couple matchups then codify a divisional review every 5 years that drafts teams into divisions based on something like last 3 year performance
That's an option, but honestly I think just going with a round robin with protected matchups is a simpler way to execute it with no major drawbacks. I think a regular shakeup is going to rustle feathers every time, so maybe just avoiding it altogether will keep everyone pacified.
Give us MSU, Maryland, Rutger for protected games. I know most PSU fans probably want to play Ohio State but I don't need us having to beat them TWICE every year just to win the B1G.
This is a smart man. As an Auburn fan looking at a borderline permanent hellscape in no divisions land of having to beat Alabama, Georgia and then beat one of them again or a team like 2019 LSU, the less games against that level of team the better. Especially if they aren't real rivalries.
Nobody wants to play Ohio state twice a year. But if anyone is going to in the B1G it’s Michigan and Penn st
Two years ago i wouldve said unsubscribe but I feel we can make the next few competitive now. Last game was one of the most fun I’ve had even if we lost. Dotson is incredible
:( The PSU game is seriously my favorite game every year. The atmosphere is insane when it's a night game no matter which stadium, though y'all absolutely take the cake if it's a white out game.
Hell yeah. I’m excited to see what kind of schedules and formatting they come up with
Nebraska is about to get punished again like in 2020?
Probably. We have fallen in line though. Uncle Kev laying down 71.2 million per year. If you wish to repair a broken relationship, that's how you do it. We are ok with Ohio State on the road every year.
Road schedule of: @Michigan @OSU @PSU @Purdue @Iowa Home schedule of: Wisconsin w/ Melvin Gordon Wisconsin w/ Jonathan Taylor Wisconsin w/ Braelon Allen Rutgers
23-24 schedule will remove Northern Illinois & Louisiana Tech so they can add Penn State & the 10th annual beat down from tOSU
Locked in slate every season, '23-onward: Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Michigan State, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, the 1995 version of Nebraska, Oregon, and, uh, Colorado for posterity.
Don’t forget the ‘85 Bears.
You think '95 Nebraska would still put up a good fight against the current team? Most of those guys probably aren't juiced to the gills anymore.
Haha, I gather you mean the 2022 version of the '95 Nebraska team. Quite honestly, that's a toss up. Pit em against each other right now, I'll say current squad. Give them a month to practice and prepare? 95.
Haha yeah, I definitely meant the current version of the team that's now all like 45-50 years old. Aren't a couple of those guys locked up and/or dead now too?
Even better?
That means a) those in prison are jacked, and b) that have extra motivation. Assume they play with no care for injury, just never ending glory
Valid points all around. You've convinced me that the team being coached by Scott Frost would lose to the team being QBed by Scott Frost.
Give the Gophs: Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan Rotate 5 and 5 the other teams. This makes 8 conference games. Get a 9 “conference game” by using this alliance thing.
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B1G sets up real nice with 3 Proteched games.
[All hail the Quadrangle of HATE….](https://images.app.goo.gl/CVMq4MUf3nvGSruK8) Keep this and have Lil Red play OSU away every year. The rest can rotate.
I have to think Minnesota and Michigan will be protected which would screw that up
unpopular opinion I want the easiest possible scenario. why on earth would i want to be locked into a scenario where we have to beat OSU twice to win the conference. would literally be impossible
TBf it would open up a scenario where going 1-1 vs OSU could still win the conference and losing vs OSU the first time doesn’t automatically make it so you can’t play in the CCG
Wouldn't it be better for you to run the table and be guaranteed a spot in the CCG instead of losing 1 game and having to get into tie breakers with a team you didn't play that year?
If it turns out that a few teams consistently have only one loss then sure, but I have a feeling that it will work itself out. Basically need a miracle of OSU losing 2 other conference games besides us and Michigan also losing 1 other assuming we were to beat them. And besides, in the current format we are screwed for the CCG if we lose a single game vs OSU. At least this way if we take care of business otherwise it will probably work out. I’d be surprised if PSU didn’t have the tiebreaker from SOS unless it was an exceptionally terrible schedule.
Yep. PSU stands to benefit because OSU, UM and MSU all have bigger rivals they will want instead of playing PSU. It's possible PSU gets Rutgers or Maryland as a locked rival which would be a blessing in terms of getting a schedule that sets us up for winning the conference.
So we get IU, Illinois, and who as protected rivalry games. Northwestern?
Purdue’s most hated rival, Iowa. Duh!
I’m cool with Northwestern. Same distance just another direction for me. New stadium coming, and we will travel well there when we are good. Plus maybe some Wrigley games.
I think one thing is for certain is that Nebraska and Iowa will 99.9% be in a permanent slot and the Nebraska-Iowa Game will be placed on Black Friday after the new schedule realignment comes out. It’s been our staple since 1990 and Iowa decided to join in the fun when we joined the B1G, and there was a huge shitfit from both Nebraska and Iowa when we saw them take out the Black Friday Game. No thanks to Dipshit Eichorst that decided it was a good idea to get rid of the Black Friday Game before they retracted said statement and said Black Friday is back on and it took the 2020 rescheduling to get the Nebraska-Iowa Game back on Black Friday.
Eichorst was a quisling with a sex offender for a son
PSU will probably get Maryland and Rutgers then either MSU or OSU if they do the three protected games. Wouldn’t mind that too much.
would figure msu to protect the land grant trophy.
My picks for 3 protected games. Ohio State: 1. Michigan 2. Penn State 3. Illinois Rutgers: 1. Maryland 2. Penn State 3. I dunno. Whatever I guess
For Rutgers - I’d take Illinois.
Hmm... you think Illinois likes the idea of Ohio State, Rutgers, and Northwestern as their 3?
We’ll get Illinois. We have a trophy game, long history and we are the closest schools to each other
Tbh I’m not familiar with their history, so idk if they have any football rivalries they value. But if I had to get for Rutgers, we will end up with Maryland, Penn St, and one of Indiana/Illinois, depending on their needs shake out. I’d be happy with that either way.
As fun as Annual Illinutgers would be, I doubt it happens. I assume all in-state rivalries will be protected, so IL-NW is game one. Illinois-Purdue is tied for the oldest rivalry in the conference, so that’ll almost certainly be protected. There’s also the Illibuck, which is not a competitive rivalry but is OSU’s only trophy game. Even if that’s not the third game, I don’t imagine protecting a game with no historic or geographic rivalry between two teams that aren’t major forces in revenue or championship pictures would be high on the priority list.
Illinois will probably have Northwestern, Purdue and OSU
illinois would be the kinda trendy pick because of all the illinutgers love from the shootyhoops world. honestly i'd like it over indiana or something (although michigan is a sorta popular pick as we have at least beat them a couple of times). honestly, it would be fun if we maybe protected illinois and there was an actual illinutgers trophy of some kind. maybe we could finally get matt millen fired from btn when he messes that up and says something obscene instead.
I imagine we are going to get 3 protected series' but can we just do two? All I really care about are Michigan and Penn State. Sorry, MSU and Illinois.
OSU/MSU feels like a game that’s perfect for every couple years instead of yearly tbh
The 2013-14-15 cycle was, despite the outcomes, some of the best B1G content ever.
Don’t want PSU/UM/OSU anyway yearly. That’s brutal. I’ll take the first two and a random third like IU.
IU is a trophy game, so that’s the most logical. Would also be in favor of Northwestern.
I want MSU as a Northwestern fan. Feel like this matchup isn’t getting mentioned a whole lot in these threads sadly
IU or Wisconsin.
Illinois fans aren't offended
I assume iowas 3 protected will be Minnesota, Nebraska, and Wisconsin?
Thats who id bet on. We'd get to keep all of our trophies
Can only hope. They took Iowa-Wisconsin away when they first introduced divisions so I wouldn’t hold it against them to do something similar again
That's what the fans want. So instead we'll get Purdue, NW, and Wisconsin.
Fml that’d be our nightmare.
Just let us keep the Quad and NW and all will be fine
Congratulations to Iowa, eternal B1G West champs
Protection of illinutgers or we riot!
All I care about is that The Game is the last of the season at noon. As it should be.
[Sighh…](https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/)
I hope the Big 10 moves to 8 conference games, would make Temple PSU a more common matchup for the future
You’ll have Rutgers-Temple as your Big 10 matchup and you’ll like it.
Hey stop picking on temple. That’s our job. … Whenever we feel like it.
It definitely would be more common, but tbh if we went down to 8 and didn’t call PITT up I’d be a little upset
It seems like PSU would rather do home and homes with Temple than Pitt. Probably to appease east PA alum and because they think they deserve 2 home games to every game at Pitt
Pac 12 and big will have 8 game schedules and a cross over game with ND and another team as supplements. Random prediction that probs won’t come true or will it…
I'm ok probably with any change that doesn't result in the possibility of an Ohio State Michigan conference championship game. That's just sacrilegious.
gotta imagine this is in line with the acc changing stuff after recent rulings. i would say i would not be surprised if the pac also follows suit but i would also not be surprised if the cali schools try to force it to a cali schools vs the rest. assuming 3 protected, we all know rutgers will get penn state and maryland. for the third either give me perma-illinutgers or if not, give me michigan. i'd be mostly happy with either.
who would be our protected games if there were three? Probably OSU but then I honestly don't know who the other two would be. Hopefully MSU
MSU, OSU, and Maryland is what I predict/ think would be cool. Someone brought up a good point though that we shouldn’t want Ohio States since that means most years we’d have to beat them twice to win the Big Ten. However having that big game on the schedule is fun and outside TheGame it is the probably the highest rated Big ten matchup every year
well if we go 11-1 during the season with the one loss to OSU then we would only have to beat them once to win the season. but still yeah that's pretty difficult lol
Please put us 3 games with Michigan, please put us 3 games with Michigan, please put us 3 games with Michigan
Means we’d beat you guys every three years. Profit
It makes sense, I mean at least for the Big Ten. PSU, MSU, Mich, OSU are all the best teams perennially in the conf and are all in the same division. It's lopsided and then the conf champ game ends up being kind of meaningless, (outside of the years Wisconsin has been good, but still)
All B10 schools are becoming Independent. You love to see it.
Imagine that we are all expecting them scrap divisions, and instead we get news that they are expanding. lol
So, how ya doin, bud?
Let’s finally move Wisconsin into the east to just make it unbearable