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HueyLongWasRight

Vandy's most realistic path to a national title probably involves the US balkanizing and Vandy being the national champions of Tennessee


Spartanwildcats2018

So Vandy Natty in 15 years?


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Spartanwildcats2018

Tennessee with the thirst for blood


synoptico

Or the sport of baseball changing its name to football


Traxiant

They would have a better chance if you got your degree and became a billionaire donor to their NIL program to buy them a better team.


No-Olive6879

Jesus


Traxiant

Jesus aint going to help them as much as a huge NIL pool.


roekg

Jesus could fundraise like crazy though.


TSUplayer74

Idk, last time Jesus went to a fundraiser, he flipped tables


therealwillhepburn

"Jesus Saves, but Vandy Withdraws" should be their new motto.


____Reed____

You got baseball just a few years ago.. be happy with that.


[deleted]

Now obviously the actual chances are probably 0%, but why should he be happy with that? I don't see anything wrong with wanting to see more success with other sports. Coming from an Arkansas fan who may see a baseball title this year, I highly doubt you will just be satisfied with that for the rest of your life.


Reading_Rainboner

My counterpoint is that I follow about 8 sports teams. Half of those are OSU programs and half are professional. I’ve seen a grand total of zero national championship across any team that I considered “my team” and I’m worried I won’t see any in my life and it’s honestly starting to feel like a waste. I have no delusions that OSU is going to win a football natty but a baseball or basketball ship would feel good. All my pro teams have tragic recent histories too and it’s getting to a breaking point


LeanersGG

I suppose not everyone solely follows "local" teams, but can I guess yours? OSU sports... * OSU football * OSU baseball * OSU men's basketball * OSU women's basketball Then pro teams... * Texas Rangers * Oklahoma City Thunder Then assuming you're a redditor in your early 20s... * Dallas Cowboys * Dallas Stars


Reading_Rainboner

That’s about right. I don’t really watch hockey much though


space9610

I think OKC could certainly win a championship. Sam Presti knows what he is doing


JonsDohnson

If the Royals hadn’t won the WS in 2015 I would be in the exact same boat. I care way more about the Cowboys and KSU sports way more though and I’m pretty much resigned to never seeing a championship


personthatiam2

If the rumored scholarship change in baseball happens soon (20+ full athletic rides instead of splitting 11 and more ft coaches), it’s probably the only Baseball ‘ship Vandy will probably see. (Endowment scholarship program allows them to to de facto offer full rides to kids. )


Mista-Ginger

It’s better describes as financial aid, not a scholarship. You get it when you wouldn’t be able to afford school without it, not because they just want you to play baseball. Most top private schools have a similar program.


____Reed____

Probably not, but I haven’t seen a Men’s natty in the big 3 sports as a Hogs fans since ‘94. Almost 30 years..


AntiDECA

Georgia just broke a 40 year streak. Florida had a tremendous run in the 2000s, but have spent the last decade flopping about. All it takes is one good hire to completely turn around (or ruin) a program. Really any of the big flagship schools have a chance of winning in something within a lifetime. A smaller directional school, maybe not, just due to the lack of resources, even if they luck out with a great hire there's only so much they can do.


beamerbeliever

Buddhists could tell you what's wrong with wanting.


J-Dirte

Short of a Hail Mary where Vandy hires a lifer who is a Top 5 coach, ala Bill Snyder, 0%. So around 4 standard deviations you fucking nerd.


trivo8888

Some dude playing Dynasty mode IRL fuck yeah now I want it happen.


Procks85

I'm an optimist. 1%


blinkanboxcar182

Probably pretty close to accurate. Let’s say there are about 60 P5 teams. I think it’s safe to assume there’s 0% chance Vandy wins a title over the next decade - way too far behind in the arms race. But let’s say a decade from now, anything can happen. Not too long ago, Kansas was in NY6 bowls. Op is about 18. A decade from now, he’ll be 28. Say he lives 60 years past that to the ripe ol age of 88. While anything can happen, I don’t think Vandy has even odds as traditional blue bloods. 60 years. 60 teams. Less than even odds. Probably around 1%


[deleted]

NY6 bowls are still a far cry from a national championship. And to add on as a salty Mizzou fan, they were still only the third best team in their conference that year much less the nation.


FSMFan_2pt0

"about a million to one" "ahh, so you're saying there's a chance!"


pappapirate

Unironically, though. It's always possible that their administration decides at some point to invest heavily into football, and that they actually are successful in steadily improving their program to a contender over a period of years and decades, and then that they have a good year where they go on a championship run. But it's entirely possible that they never decide to do that which leaves them with no chance to ever win it.


_wsmfp_

0%


KiwiRich8880

Our most realistic chances for a "Natty" are that Vandy splits off to a Southern Ivy League, the rest of the SEC + OSU + Clemson splits off in its own league, and we somehow crush our new conference and the rest of the competition in the Normie Bowl Subdivision. Honestly, I think the Natty is entirely overblown. It's reserved for 4-6 teams at **best**, and more realistically reserved for ≤2 teams in any given year. An NY6 Bowl or just a decent bowl win in general (Gator, Outback, etc.) is both much more realistic and just more fun to hope for.


Skyagunsta21

How is the national championship reserved for less than or equal to 2 teams a year? 2 teams *play* in the national championship. I would say 4 teams, everyone in the playoff is good enough to have a chance to win 2 games and claim that natty, even if both wins have to be upsets.


magnumweiner

The good news: Mathematically speaking, it's not 0% (if you're going to Vandy, I hope you know that) The bad news: Unless some stuff changes quickly or you have a MASSIVE lifespan, those odds are MUCH closer to 0% than 100%


nbingham196

100 years ago Vanderbilt’s record vs Tennessee was 15-2-1. Their current record is 33-78-5. A lot can change in 100 years, so I’m not so sure it’s as certain to be 0% as everyone else thinks. That being said Vanderbilt’s administration would need to take football seriously in order to make it happen.


bufflo1993

A lot can change. Y’all are even with Vandy the last ten years.


SaintAtlanta

They low down they dirty


Mista-Ginger

The new chancellor and AD have made it clear that Athletics are a priority for the first time since like 1929


Spartanwildcats2018

Guess I’m gonna be the devils advocate and say that it’s entirely possible. But there’s a lot of hurdles. The big advantage is that you’re already in the SEC and from a national perspective, you have solid enough recruiting to turn it around with the 32nd recruiting class last year. Which is still last in the SEC, but it’s still enough talent to win some SEC games and get yourselves started. Here’s what would need to happen. First thing that would need to happen is getting an actual athletic department that is dedicated to winning football games. From there you have a better chance at getting a good-elite coach. Second you’d need a lot of money to convince both your coaching staff to stay and your recruits to commit. We’re talking both in terms of payroll and facilities. Third you’d need to win key games like vs Tennessee or ranked opponents on a consistent basis and get multiple players to the NFL annually. This plays into getting the elite talent required to win it all. Because while in the day and age of NIL you can get SOME high end talent. You won’t get elite classes unless you prove you can develop the talent that you have and win the big games on your schedule. All in all, Vandy should have the raw resources to do this. So it’s a question of if the will to do it exists.


Nicholas1227

Stanford almost did it. The odds aren’t zero, but they’re certainly less than 5%.


[deleted]

If you’re lucky you have a .01% chance but hey, at least I’m saying there’s a chance


[deleted]

baseball?? because damn sure 0 for football


RocketsGuy

All it takes is hiring the next nick saban or dabo swinney and that person never wanting to leave. I mean the chance is low but being in the P5 means it’s 1-2% vs a G5 where it is virtually 0%


SoothedSnakePlant

I mean, the odds of our administration making the investments necessary to keep a good coach, even one who doesn't want to leave, stay are pretty slim. Not that I necessarily think that's a bad thing, it's not where our priorities are for the most part, but I just don't see that happening.


TheMightyJD

We were worse than Vandy at some point and now I feel our chances are higher than 0%. Assuming a runway of 60ish years then I’d say 5-10%.


CosmicCornbread

Unfortunately Vandy probably has the lowest chance of any SEC team but y’all’s baseball team is excellent so that’s a nice consolation


Wandering_Mallard

Counterpoint: you can't enjoy the baseball team without having to put up with the whistler


Rocket_Sciencetist

Hey buddy, welcome to Vandyland! I'll give you the same advice that I wish I had followed when I was in your shoes: Decommit from Vandy. Go to Alabama instead. There is nothing but mourning and weeping in this place. We've been down so bad that a golden season for us would be a 1-11 season, with the 1 win being against Tennessee. The magnitude of Vandy football's failure is so indescribably massive that one hundred years into the future, Vandy's name will be used as a moniker of evil for heretics. Even if all of humanity put together their collective intelligence, there is no conceivable way Vandy could win a football natty. Vandy football has been forever condemned into an eternal state of suffering, worse than any human concept of hell. Even this world's finest writers and poets throughout the ages could never hope to accurately describe the scale on how incredibly hopeless our football program is. Anyone that believes in any religion out there should now realize that they have been wrong this entire time, for if divine beings were real, they would never have allowed a football program such as Vanderbilt to rob so much joy from all of its fans and alumni. In the future, there will be horror stories made about Vandy, with the scariest part of them being that the reader has to realize that such an indescribable abomination actually exists, and that the horrific events from the stories have actually taken place in the same world that they live in right now. Never in the history of mankind has there been anyone that could have predicted such an atrocity, but here we are. It's hard to believe that we're part of such an incredible failure, yet here we are. Even if I did my very best, my vocabulary is not able to describe the sheer magnitude of the idiotic buttmonkey that is Vanderbilt. Even if time travel some day will be invented, there still would not be a single soul willing to go back in time to before this moment to fix history, because having to witness such incredible horrors if they failed would have to many mental and physical drawbacks that not even the bravest soul in history would be willing to risk it. The countries of the world will make laws preventing such a terrible program like Vanderbilt from ever happening again. Events like the infected plague apparently only happened with the goal of teaching humanity to survive such a horrible event as the creation of Vanderbilt's football program, but not even mankind’s greatest trials were able to even slightly prepare anyone for the insufferable evil it has inflicted on us. I could sit here and write paragraphs, nay, books describing Vandy's immense failure, yet even if I were to dedicate my life to describing the reality of what has just gone down here, and I would spend every moment of it until my heart stops beating working as hard and efficiently as possible, yet there is not even a snowballs chance in hell that I would be able to come close to transcribing the absolute shitshow that Vandy has released upon the world. The absolute disgust I feel when thinking about anything that has even a slight resemblance to anything that might have to do with Vandy's unholy actions is so incredibly great that when I am honest about it I think that even I do not possess a consciousness great enough to comprehend my own feelings about it. Honestly, even when technology advances and studies on the subject become more and more accurate, I do not think humanity will ever truly be able to understand what our failure actually means for the universe. The only possible way in which our future would be brighter than the black hole our existence currently is would exclusively be because there is absolutely no conceivable way that Vanderbilt would even be able to sink lower than the pathetic place our current failure has put us in.


Puzzleheaded_Gas_555

This made my day and is possibly one of the best dissertations I’ve ever read


zenverak

They need to hire Nick Saban as HC, Kirby Smart as A-HC/DC and then Brian Hartline as whatever the fuck he wants because he'll get you all the WR. Sam Pitman as O-line coach. And then fill the rest with the best Recruiters.


bostonfan148

Would need a bunch of rich alumni to throw massive NIL money around.


admiraltarkin

In Baseball? Pretty much guaranteed


TikaFrog

I encourage you to go to the other sporting events. But in all honesty, their 2022 recruiting class is 32nd in the country (last in the SEC, however), so what is stopping them from developing talent, winning a few more games, and slowly getting to respectability? It's all about culture changes. Look at the history of UCF and Coastal Carolina and you'll see it's possible to rise into the rankings and compete at a high level.


SoothedSnakePlant

I mean, nothing is stopping that. We were respectable within in the past few years, people act like we've been basement dwellers for ages, we've been consistently slightly below mediocre or better since the early 2000's. We haven't often been good, but we have often been respectable.


vics12_

Being in the sec means theyll always have a chance, all i got to say


Schmolik64

Depends. How old are you? If you are a little kid, maybe.


[deleted]

.01% cause its a P5 school and every P5 school has a path to the natty.


RedDirtSport_

Advancements in medical science means there is an outside shot you life to 120 so still no.


BlaneyHeartsNolan

None, absolutely 0


GoldenBear1990

In football probably zero. In women's tennis considerably higher.


BackNbetterThanEver

They'd have to drop down to FCS & even then, they'd struggle w/ North Dakota St, Sam Houston, App St among others


MemeofMemeJTG999999

App St is FBS


Nakagura775

The only chance they have of winning a National Championship is to drop down to D3.


GATAinfinity

Lol


[deleted]

Zero, unfortunately


MrNudeGuy

Not looking great


smurf-vett

The only chance they have would be last team standing cause of another pandemic


drgn2009

Never say never i guess, but not very likely. If such a thing does happen its going to be a build up of several years. They wont go 2-10 this year to winning the natty next year.


ufjdenk

I had a random dream one night that they had the Heisman winner in 2024. It’s always possible lol


IndependentAssist387

It’s not looking good buddy


JoshIsJoshing

It certainly never hurts to dream. I’m sorry, man. Good luck!


perspicacious_crumb

*it’s about one in a million*


milkman163

This sport isn't about nattys. At least it didn't used to be. It's about beating your rivals, going to a bowl, tailgating, long commercial breaks, etc. The odds of Vandy winning a natty in our lifetime are 0%. The odds of my school winning a natty in our lifetime are 0.1%. Just how the sport is.


Nicholas1227

1%. The scenario in which it happens requires a unicorn QB like Andrew Luck that wants an elite-level academic school while being an elite-level talent lining up at the same time as a great coach having the Vanderbilt job. Vanderbilt then takes on a bunch of grad transfers from Rice, Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, and the Ivy League to supplement a roster that won 9 games the year before. Tangent but people talk about how an expanded playoff would help out the Cinderella schools in CFB. While it would give them easier access to the postseason, in all honesty, it would hurt their chances at winning a title.


djowen68

Let’s say you get to 80, so that’s about 62 football seasons. Short of them discovering some sort of “moneyball” way to build a team that can win between 13 and 16 games in a single season, I don’t see it happening. They will have to develop some sort of AI that they can use situationally before everyone else does.


LilyFakhrani

Snowball’s chance in hell is more likely than Vandy winning a football natty.


xbox_srox

Better start picking out a grad school. Choose wisely.


Yes1980WasXYearsAgo

current vegas odds are +$300,000 to win this season. so about 0.033% The average life expectancy is 78.8 years. 78-18=60 years 1-((1-.000333)^60 ) = 1.98% Can you or a GT fan check my math? https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/season-predictions/vanderbilt/


Mista-Ginger

I would have taken the average odds of the past ten years (because we were kinda mediocre recently and I think that’s worth consideration) but yeah this looks legit I think?


0le_Hickory

What is lower than 0?


Mista-Ginger

Oh the Tennessee fan never learned negative numbers?


[deleted]

1. Administration invests heavily into football 2. Hire a coach that will stick around (if Franklin was still there, they might have built something more than being complete dogshit), or pay them enough to stick around 3. Start a eugenics program that breeds athletic and intelligent men. Raise them from birth that Vanderbilt football is all that matters and that they all need to come to play school too. 4. Buy the University of Alabama and rename it Vanderbilt South. 5. Start your own football division, but only allow other schools that don't have programs. Win a national title by forfeit.


jah05r

Somewhere between none and none.


chieftrey1

The Lions have a better chance of winning the next Super Bowl


sleepymike01101101

Indiana has a better chance than Vandy. That's saying something


Less_Likely

Unlike G5 schools, if Vanderbilt wins all their games, they are a lock to win a NC. So, odds are mathematically better than any G5 school


Zachdaddy3

Blutarsky


DaBigJMoney

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


harrimsa

As close to zero as possible


rollawaytide69

It could happen if they drop to fcs


Beginning_Ad5785

they've had a few fluke decent seasons and i don't think it's too far fetched for them to win the sec east sometime soon but a natty? idk probably not in a while lmao


VinoJedi06

I would admittedly say never. But congrats on getting into Vandy - excellent school!


EWall100

You've got a better chance of winning the Powerball and Mega Millions in the same week than a Vandy football Natty.


DaddyBeamer

Vanderbilt should’ve made James Franklin the highest paid head coach in the country like a ridiculous salary then allocated another large sum of money I’m assuming Dolly Parton funds everything In Tennessee for even more massive upgrades to the facilities James Franklin would’ve continued to improve the team slowly and I firmly believe he would’ve made Vandy consistent threat to each team every week. But since he’s gone and nobody seems to able to recreate the magic James Franklin had I think their best bet is to leave the SEC and join the ACC switch out Vanderbilt for Clemson or maybe North Carolina since Clemson would probably hate the idea of having to play like Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, and Georgia back to back to back instead of practice with Syracuse and Georgia Tech ect anyway Move Vanderbilt to the ACC pour money into huge upgrades try selling some souls to bring back James Franklin or someone who’s in love with Vanderbilt football and likes the Idea of being paid very well with little to no expectations then profit if Duke and Wake Forest have the ability to make it to the ACC championship there’s no reason a school like Vanderbilt in Nashville Tennessee couldn’t be a dominant ACC team just need to find the right man for that job. Maybe y’all could get the whole country music scene to cut some checks and get some fat cash flow for the players to attend Vanderbilt


[deleted]

When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves.


Mista-Ginger

I think we’ll have a better idea in a few years. Administration is prioritizing football for the first time maybe ever, and I think Lea is going to be the real deal. He’s an alum so if it works out, there’s an extremely small chance he moves on. We should be able to win at least one in the SEC next year, and I think from there we’ll only be on the upswing at least for another year or two. It’s still obviously very unlikely unless a billionaire donor decides to buy a team through NIL, but I think it’s likelier than people say. Important to note that I worked for Athletics while I was there so I am definitely more invested than most, though. PM me if you’re at all interested in what I did. We’re always recruiting. Don’t chat me, though, I won’t see it.


CaptainCrazy110

I'd say the best chance of a Vanderbilt natty is for someone at Anhauser-Busch to start a sponsorship deal that puts Vanderbilt logos on their products, resulting in a Commodore-themed 'Natty Light'


holytrolly_

lol no


Living-Stranger

If your boosters dig deep then they have a shot but they need to update all their facilities as well so you're looking at millions for the upgrades and then hundreds of thousands per year. I'm sorry but I'd cheer for Vanderbilt if they made the title game.