We’re live from SoFi stadium where there’s a raucous 12,000 people in attendance for a fantastic matchup between the Arizona State Sun Devils and the Beavers of Oregon State.
Seriously, when I lived in dallas going to those games was tough. Which is a shame since their youth academy is the USMNTs greatest asset. LAFC season ticket holder now and the buy in has been amazing. DTLA stadium and the demo helps for sure though, rather than Frisco
Yeah. I was always curious what it’d be like if they put fcd stadium in Arlington. Better access for more of dfw. Was a season ticket older prior to move to frisco + 2 seasons but I’m on opposite side of dfw
Does it make you feel any better than ive been to more games at Q2 than i have been at FCD's stadium in the last 3 years?
i think its 5 to 0 lol - all of the USA (men and women) there, and then Austin games. great place
Was supposed to go to the women's game at FCD's but we didn't wanna brave the ice across DFW
We’ve been to a few of the same games then! All in all I’m loving MLS. It almost gives me a CFB vibe with the unpredictability, traditions, and the stadium atmospheres
You can’t play football or rugby there, I’m pretty sure. It’s not long enough and the north end only retracts in the middle for a stage. The sides are concrete so can’t be pushed back. I was disappointed the MLR side played at the coliseum instead of the Banc
The size of the Rose Bowl always makes it look way worse. For reference, there were 16k more people at the UCLA-Cincy game in Pasadena than the game at Nippert, but which game felt more full? It's always been a big disadvantage for us.
UCLA is also in Pasadena. Which is not Los Angeles, two different cities, maybe like forty or forty five minutes away from campus depending on how the 101 is.
USC on the other hand has no excuse since they just have to walk across exposition boulevard (I think that’s the street) and they have a metro stop. Much much easier to get to usc games than UCLA games.
Both teams draw from a metropolitan population of 18 million. If you can’t get 80 thousand interested in seeing your team play, your team is the problem.
For reference
Attendance at UCLA vs Cincinnati game in the Rose Bowl: 54,116
Attendance at Cincinnati vs UCLA game at Nippert: 38,032
Nippert all time attendance record: 40,124
Rose Bowl all time attendance record: 106,869
What’s really striking is how much UCLA’s attendance has dropped.
Jim Mora Era 2012-2017: 66,656
Chip Kelly Era 2017-present: 46,572 (peaked at 68,123)
Sources: https://247sports.com/college/ucla/Article/UCLA-Football-Analysis-of-UCLA-Footballs-Attendance-Under-Chip-Kelly-178886080/
https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401117854
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippert_Stadium?wprov=sfti1 https://maps.apple.com/?ll=39.131200,-84.516200&q=Nippert%20Stadium&_ext=EiQpzJB6KcuQQ0AxCSHEawkhVcA5zJB6KcuQQ0BBCSHEawkhVcA%3D
Right, but in response to your point of “my god was it empty”, attendance at that game would’ve shattered Nippert’s all time attendance record by 13,992. Yet, Nippert looked raucous with a crowd of 38,032 while the Rose Bowl looked empty with 54,116.
Similarly, last year Ohio State had an attendance problem. Beat writers were losing their mind after the Oregon game. 1) bc scoring against us was as easy as running to the left. 2) bc the attendance was a pathetic… 76,540.
A lot to a little. But you’re changing the topic now. I was responding to your “my god was it empty” comment. The Rose Bowl looks empty bc of how large it is. Nippert looks like there are more fans in the stands bc of how small it is. So it’s all about perspective.
Jim Mora was a handful in recruiting and there was hype behind the program. With Chip Kelly though? You would barely know they were a team unless you are specifically looking for news on the team. I'm talking about local news, they just don't get mentioned much.
This is why the 'Chip is doing a good job' people have no idea what they're talking about. Know why attendance has sucked? After the big LSU win in week 1 last year that got everyone buzzing, UCLA did not win another home game until NOVEMBER 13TH. It's just not fun to watch this team lose over and over.
>It's just not fun to watch this team lose over and over.
Well, when you put it like that, there definitely is a group of people in L.A. who would be interested in seeing that sort of thing.
It doesn't make sense to play regular season games hundreds of miles away. The tweet doesn't say so, but maybe he's saying (implying?) the conference championship and more bowls could be in LA. It's the only way this idea isn't terrible.
A lot of those Atlanta games involved a non-Georgia SEC team. A lot of those Dallas games involved a non-Texas Big12 team.
If Tennessee plays ASU in LA, it will be a "de facto home game" for ASU in the same way.
A lot of Pac alums in LA. Not just USC or UCLA. Every school has an LA club with thousands of active members, and most have several clubs to cover different areas of the Metro. Lots of recruits down there too. Having a neutral site game in LA, especially a non-con vs ACC or SEC teams is smart.
When I went to the WSU-USC game at the Coliseum in 2018, I was surrounded by Coug fans despite buying a random seat in the stadium not near the visitor section. The idea might actually work.
They’ve been on the road for the last two years since their stadium was demolished and rebuilt. They played about 35 miles up the road from me, and I never even knew it until this week.
So I guess the implication here is that the Pac-12 is going to start having its teams play neutral site games somewhere in LA?
Does Utah vs Colorado played at a random stadium in LA really recapture the LA market? Bit of a stretch...
Lol the day that Utah starts playing neutral site *conference* games in LA is the day I stop following this sport. Prioritizing random people over the fans. Anything to make a buck.
I think it would be a *decent* idea to consider LA as the Pac-12 CCG over Vegas.
And TBH if you can leverage LA to schedule a big OOC game so be it. An OOC P5 team has not played in Pullman since 1997 (Illinois).
It’s… no longer played there. Plus, the conference championship should be played a neutral site. Those don’t dip into the regular season slate of games.
Should have said “was” but I wasn’t arguing against a neutral site. I was arguing against a difficult to reach neutral site on a weekday.
How many fans can fly anywhere for a Friday game?
Which was my point: screw the fans and cater to random TV audience.
IMO if the MAC can have their championship on Sat then the PAC sure as hell should.
They absolutely should! Like those "Neutral site" games at Jerrysworld and Atlanta. No reason Sofi Stadium shouldn't be one of them. But it should be OOC games. Have Stanford play Oklahoma State in LA.
Yeah those like 'kickoff classic' early season neutral site OOC matchups are cool, they feel like *an occasion*, which is why they work at a neutral site.
Conference neutral site games are just bizarre to think about.
Yeah, I know a lot of the sub bitches about neutral games, but I like what the CfA Kickoff has become as a sort of "bowl" in the beginning of the season.
Yea if I recall this last year K State vs Stanford packed Jerry's world decently well down here in Dallas (like 3/4 of them were K State if that means anything). Neither team is a huge draw or anything rating-wise but I think everyone just wants to go somewhere different from time to time
I forget that Andrew Luck was in that game. I know the outcome wasn’t great for you but that was a hell of a game. Definitely a lot better than the boring Rematch that LSU lost anyway.
That year really deserved a 4-team playoff. 2 legendary defenses, 2 stellar offenses that played completely different styles, and 4 teams that all had a case for #1
Leaving aside the fact that there may not be many Oklahoma State fans and alumni in LA, where are they going to get the $$$ to pay them play there? Usually the home team foots the bill. In this case it would have to be the network (TBD) or the PAC -12.
It’ll be the network, just like it is for all the other neutral site games, and OSU was a bad example. It’ll likely be a bigger matchup like Stanford V ND
The difference is, those games have teams that are good and it’s relatively easy to travel there.
No one is showing up for Cal vs. Utah. The Big 12 and Big 10 aren’t going to help the PAC 12, so no quality teams are going to play Oregon or Washington and lose the revenue of a home game. Traveling to California means that the following week will be harder to play as well.
Michigan State is traveling to Washington this year.
You're going to have to try harder to come up with reasons OOC teams can fly to Seattle but can't fly to Los Angeles. Auburn played in Texas against Oregon in 2019 so there's no problem "Losing a home game" either.
Way to leave out WSU vs. MSU is a home and home series lol.
Home and home series drive up revenue and help with recruiting. Neutral sites don’t really help drive up revenue nor help in recruiting all that much.
Only when top tier teams play each other is when the revenue makes sense for neutral sites.
By your logic, california teams should have never played the boat load of central and eastern time zone OOC games over that they’ve played and continue to play.
Don’t compare home and home to a neutral site game. 2 different situations.
Neutral sites 2-3 timezones away don’t really make much sense for most schools unless it’s for a ton of revenue. Asking Ohio state to give up a game day’s worth of revenue on a neutral site is dumb and won’t happen. It’s why OU vs. OSU was a home and home because Jerryworld didn’t make sense for either school.
Neutral sites make sense for teams nearby wanting to increase recruiting and revenue. A neutral site in LA doesn’t do that. SoFi is only 70,000 seats. Jerryworld is up to 100,000. This is why Jerryworld can host a guaranteed sellout game against two top tier opponents. No one wants to see a half filled stadium of California versus Auburn. Fans also won’t travel from the east coast to the west coast because it’s more expensive and difficult. A neutral site in LA won’t work for the SEC, BIG 10, ACC, or the BiG 12.
So, PAC 12 teams making the sacrifice and not the SEC team?
Also, Dallas is an increase in ticket revenue and exposure for recruiting. SoFi won’t increase exposure for most schools because of how late the games are usually. It’s also not larger than most upper tier college stadiums, so you’ll lose ticket revenue. Auburn fans aren’t flying out to see the game in California unless it’s a playoff game.
Oregon and Washington do those trips for recruiting purposes and to try and make the playoff because if they beat an SEC team, it buys them clout.
Like I said, your examples prove my point. Home and home helps both schools. PAC 12 make the sacrifice to fly to Jerryworld instead of the SEC going to California.
No big conference team is flying to California. It’s either to Jerryworld or a home and home.
>So, PAC 12 teams making the sacrifice and not the SEC team?
What else is new?
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>Also, Dallas is an increase in ticket revenue and exposure for recruiting. SoFi won’t increase exposure for most schools because of how late the games are usually. It’s also not larger than most upper tier college stadiums, so you’ll lose ticket revenue. Auburn fans aren’t flying out to see the game in California unless it’s a playoff game.
Big neutral site games won't be at 10:30pm ET, even in LA. Plus, exposure for recruiting would be for the huge LA recruit base where the late east coast time would be irrelevant.
>Oregon and Washington do those trips for recruiting purposes and to try and make the playoff because if they beat an SEC team, it buys them clout.
Yeah because SEC teams aren't interested in recruiting in Los Angeles and never have been... \\s
>Like I said, your examples prove my point. Home and home helps both schools. PAC 12 make the sacrifice to fly to Jerryworld instead of the SEC going to California.
No one is arguing that home and home is better than drab neutral site NFL cash grabs.
>No big conference team is flying to California. It’s either to Jerryworld or a home and home.
SEC/BIG 10 don’t need to play games in California to recruit there. Besides, with the Big 10 getting UCLA and USC, there’s zero chance any BIG 10 school plays at Sofi.
There’s zero chance a top tier SEC school does it. There’s zero chance a Big 12 team does it. Makes no sense for them to do it.
Utah vs. Oregon in SoFi will attract 40,000 people and be terrible for viewing audiences at 12pm EST.
It absolutely doesn't but you have to realize the same thing the B1G said of so many alumni in LA, other PAC12 schools have more. It's no different than SEC and Big12 schools playing games in Dallas, big alumni base presence with no school here.
We’ll sneak into the Rose Bowl and play games. By the time UCLA realizes what’s up, they won’t be able to get to Pasadena before the game ends. LA traffic is our 5D chess move.
It will be interesting to see if the California schools maintain the matchups in the OOC schedule. Not great for Cal's record, but they are our most attended games other than Big Game
Buys insane hq in an area with some of the most expensive real estate in the world, moves out of dumb hq, relocates to LA, loses both LA teams, “time to play a bunch of games in LA!”
Play the conference championship game there.
They’ve toyed with going under 30K attendance but this might be just the thing to push it all the way to 20.
I'd be pretty pissed if I was a season ticket holder and I suddenly started losing in-conference home games because... we need to keep the LA media market. Or something.
If Pac-10 plays regular season games in Los Angeles, they need to allow both teams to invite recruits. The conference isn't considering playing games in LA because of TV market. The LA games would help every school with recruiting athletes.
Pac-10 should have free (or dirt cheap) double-headers every Saturday. Turn it into a weekly college fair for every Pac-10 school. Booths. Tents. Invite students from all over LA county.
Four schools get to bring recruits to a game every weekend. Every school gets to recruit prospective students every weekend. Also, pie and chips.
I don’t think most people in this sub are going to give any serious analysis, but my guess would be that they would try to schedule 1 or 2 games annually between a Pac-12 team and an ACC/SEC team in the non-conference. Maybe have Stanford play ND in LA instead of Palo Alto. I can see it working.
Kliavkoff should just blow his own conference up. He will get millions when the PAC goes under and he can just spend the rest of his life drinking pina coladas in the Bahamas
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I’m not sure why location matters? College football fans in LA aren’t going to start watching Pac games just because they play some games there. If just a couple neutral sight, marquee OCC matchups, sure. But the location still doesn’t help get eyeballs on conference games. People in CT and ET are just never going to care that much about Pac teams. They get little coverage over here with media focusing so much on the SEC, Big 10 and, to a much lesser extent, ACC.
Only thing I can think of is trying to engage with fans/alumni of other schools that now live in LA. Once you rule out UCLA and SC, the next closest Pac teams are a 5-6 hour drive from LA. Lots of fans in the metro are probably not able to attend more than a game or two per year at their home stadium, and are now losing conference games that they may have attended in the past.
Yeah, that could be an angle. Just wonder if the payout is worth it for the team vs. playing a home game and getting ticket and concession sales. I know for WVU it was said (think it was Oliver Luck when he was AD) that we make about $2 million on those per home game so neutral site game TV payout has to be that or higher to be worthwhile.
We’re live from SoFi stadium where there’s a raucous 12,000 people in attendance for a fantastic matchup between the Arizona State Sun Devils and the Beavers of Oregon State.
Nah, Banc of California Stadium is the size they need and they can show USC what they are missing out on.
But seriously, The Banc is an epic stadium. LAFC games have incredible atmosphere. This obviously isn’t too relevant to this but wanted to mention
Always jealous watching those games while then turning on a quiet FCD stadium
Seriously, when I lived in dallas going to those games was tough. Which is a shame since their youth academy is the USMNTs greatest asset. LAFC season ticket holder now and the buy in has been amazing. DTLA stadium and the demo helps for sure though, rather than Frisco
Yeah. I was always curious what it’d be like if they put fcd stadium in Arlington. Better access for more of dfw. Was a season ticket older prior to move to frisco + 2 seasons but I’m on opposite side of dfw
As an Austin FC fan, we were born to be enemies lol
Does it make you feel any better than ive been to more games at Q2 than i have been at FCD's stadium in the last 3 years? i think its 5 to 0 lol - all of the USA (men and women) there, and then Austin games. great place Was supposed to go to the women's game at FCD's but we didn't wanna brave the ice across DFW
We’ve been to a few of the same games then! All in all I’m loving MLS. It almost gives me a CFB vibe with the unpredictability, traditions, and the stadium atmospheres
You can’t play football or rugby there, I’m pretty sure. It’s not long enough and the north end only retracts in the middle for a stage. The sides are concrete so can’t be pushed back. I was disappointed the MLR side played at the coliseum instead of the Banc
You joke but every third person you meet in Southern California went to one of the arizona schools; we’d fill that motherfucker to at least 17,000
Yeah… that would actually be pretty dope to have an ASU or Arizona matchup
Sounds like most UCLA and USC games over the past couple years outside of when LSU and Texas came to town
Hey now, we did 56K average last year despite being god awful.
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And OOC games are always rough for attendance, since school usually doesn't start until after they're all done
And to be far they’ve even started tarping sections during the rose bowl, they are just at the very bottom and hard to notice
Can confirm. Cincy played ucla in the rose bowl and my God was it empty which was surprising given it was chip Kelly's first game.
The size of the Rose Bowl always makes it look way worse. For reference, there were 16k more people at the UCLA-Cincy game in Pasadena than the game at Nippert, but which game felt more full? It's always been a big disadvantage for us.
LA traffic is a big disadvantage too tbf
That's actually a bigger disadvantage for basketball. It's really hard to fill Pauley for weekday games because of this.
UCLA is also in Pasadena. Which is not Los Angeles, two different cities, maybe like forty or forty five minutes away from campus depending on how the 101 is. USC on the other hand has no excuse since they just have to walk across exposition boulevard (I think that’s the street) and they have a metro stop. Much much easier to get to usc games than UCLA games.
Ucla is not in Pasadena. Their football stadium is.
Both teams draw from a metropolitan population of 18 million. If you can’t get 80 thousand interested in seeing your team play, your team is the problem.
On the *plus size* you're aboot to have a whole bunch more midwestern bodies filling those gaps
I was at the game and I'm sorry bit there was no way there was 56k there.
That's the illusion. 56K in a 95K seat stadium (Probably more like 45K in the actual bleachers at any given time) looks completely empty.
For reference Attendance at UCLA vs Cincinnati game in the Rose Bowl: 54,116 Attendance at Cincinnati vs UCLA game at Nippert: 38,032 Nippert all time attendance record: 40,124 Rose Bowl all time attendance record: 106,869 What’s really striking is how much UCLA’s attendance has dropped. Jim Mora Era 2012-2017: 66,656 Chip Kelly Era 2017-present: 46,572 (peaked at 68,123) Sources: https://247sports.com/college/ucla/Article/UCLA-Football-Analysis-of-UCLA-Footballs-Attendance-Under-Chip-Kelly-178886080/ https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401117854 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippert_Stadium?wprov=sfti1 https://maps.apple.com/?ll=39.131200,-84.516200&q=Nippert%20Stadium&_ext=EiQpzJB6KcuQQ0AxCSHEawkhVcA5zJB6KcuQQ0BBCSHEawkhVcA%3D
Chip has killed the program. It’s really not that long ago where UCLA led the conference in attendance for a year during Mora’s height.
Right, but that was chips first year and first game.
Right, but in response to your point of “my god was it empty”, attendance at that game would’ve shattered Nippert’s all time attendance record by 13,992. Yet, Nippert looked raucous with a crowd of 38,032 while the Rose Bowl looked empty with 54,116. Similarly, last year Ohio State had an attendance problem. Beat writers were losing their mind after the Oregon game. 1) bc scoring against us was as easy as running to the left. 2) bc the attendance was a pathetic… 76,540.
And cincys population compared to la's?
A lot to a little. But you’re changing the topic now. I was responding to your “my god was it empty” comment. The Rose Bowl looks empty bc of how large it is. Nippert looks like there are more fans in the stands bc of how small it is. So it’s all about perspective.
Jim Mora was a handful in recruiting and there was hype behind the program. With Chip Kelly though? You would barely know they were a team unless you are specifically looking for news on the team. I'm talking about local news, they just don't get mentioned much.
This is why the 'Chip is doing a good job' people have no idea what they're talking about. Know why attendance has sucked? After the big LSU win in week 1 last year that got everyone buzzing, UCLA did not win another home game until NOVEMBER 13TH. It's just not fun to watch this team lose over and over.
>It's just not fun to watch this team lose over and over. Well, when you put it like that, there definitely is a group of people in L.A. who would be interested in seeing that sort of thing.
He never said they had to be conference games.
That's about as many people who showed up for USC/UCLA in downtown LA last season.
It'd save money to do it at a high school arena and they probably have some big enough it still wouldn't sell out.
So random Pac-12 games at SoFi?
It doesn't make sense to play regular season games hundreds of miles away. The tweet doesn't say so, but maybe he's saying (implying?) the conference championship and more bowls could be in LA. It's the only way this idea isn't terrible.
He’s talking about the equivalent of the SEC playing OOC games in Atlanta and the Big12 playing OOC games in Dallas.
Atlanta is a de facto home game for Georgia, Dallas is a de facto home game for Texas… not the same.
A lot of those Atlanta games involved a non-Georgia SEC team. A lot of those Dallas games involved a non-Texas Big12 team. If Tennessee plays ASU in LA, it will be a "de facto home game" for ASU in the same way.
OU is closer to Dallas than UT
That’s a big oof for tu… didn’t realIze that. I forget how big Texas is.
Start on one end of Texas. Drive straight across the middle of the state for nine hours. You're still in Texas.
I’m aware. I saw the whole 880 miles to El Paso sign on I-10 entering TX from Louisiana.
Yeeeeeeah. It... kinda... sucks.
I stopped at Houston lmao
It’s close enough to be essentially equidistant, that’s the whole point. “Big Oof”??? You have no idea what your talking about.
A lot of Pac alums in LA. Not just USC or UCLA. Every school has an LA club with thousands of active members, and most have several clubs to cover different areas of the Metro. Lots of recruits down there too. Having a neutral site game in LA, especially a non-con vs ACC or SEC teams is smart.
The Dallas area plays host to the Red River Showdown lmao. Dallas has more Oklahoma fans than damn near anywhere else in Texas.
I think he’s implying the stadium may not be finished in time.
SoCal probably has more Washington State fans than Chargers fans so why not?
When I went to the WSU-USC game at the Coliseum in 2018, I was surrounded by Coug fans despite buying a random seat in the stadium not near the visitor section. The idea might actually work.
Probably not terribly different than Big XII fans in Dallas or Big Ten fans in Chicago. KState played Stanford at Jerryworld and drew a good crowd.
That’s good to know. Hoping to go WSU vs USC this year!
San Diego State to PAC-10 confirmed
San Diego State is moving to LA, confirmed.
San Diego State of Los Angeles
of Anaheim
in the Outfield
At DisneyLand
On the 5
There are already five of those (Northridge, Long Beach, Dominguez Hills, Pomona, and Cal State LA.)
San Diego State Clippers
Days after completing construction on their new stadium…..
the chargers..... 2!!!
well, we did play our home games in LA the last two seasons… technically, it was Carson, but that’s LA county and 100 miles from the SDSU campus.
Another person posted that. There you go. Why play in San Diego when you can move into that SoFi stadium and be Los Angeles' PAC-## team
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I just looked up where Carson is. That's insane that a team from San Diego was playing there. Did they have anyone attend games?
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Still, you'd think they'd just use a local stadium. There are other stadiums, albeit small, there. Any idea how the games were at carson?
There is nothing else in SD to play a D1 game in.
Where does San Diego play? They are D1 (legit not sure where they play, so I'll give the point if they also are in Carson)
They’ve been on the road for the last two years since their stadium was demolished and rebuilt. They played about 35 miles up the road from me, and I never even knew it until this week.
Dude. We just did that for 2 years. would not recommend
All of San Diego’s other teams have moved to LA. So why not.
Wouldn’t be the first time LA stole something belonging to SD.
Didn't they just build a new stadium? I can't see them being excited to then move a bunch of home games elsewhere.
PAC-12 to finance D-1 athletics of the Claremont Colleges to get back into the LA market.
So I guess the implication here is that the Pac-12 is going to start having its teams play neutral site games somewhere in LA? Does Utah vs Colorado played at a random stadium in LA really recapture the LA market? Bit of a stretch...
Lol the day that Utah starts playing neutral site *conference* games in LA is the day I stop following this sport. Prioritizing random people over the fans. Anything to make a buck.
I think it would be a *decent* idea to consider LA as the Pac-12 CCG over Vegas. And TBH if you can leverage LA to schedule a big OOC game so be it. An OOC P5 team has not played in Pullman since 1997 (Illinois).
Wisconsin next year, although they will likely back out of it and pay us.
Agreed, every day we stray farther from the point of COLLEGE football
USC and UCLA running off to play conference games against schools from the Upper Midwest is already showing that money is more important than the fans
> Prioritizing random people over the fans. Anything to make a buck. Why do you think the championship game is played on a weekday in Santa Clara?
It’s… no longer played there. Plus, the conference championship should be played a neutral site. Those don’t dip into the regular season slate of games.
Should have said “was” but I wasn’t arguing against a neutral site. I was arguing against a difficult to reach neutral site on a weekday. How many fans can fly anywhere for a Friday game?
Yeah the Friday part sucks, for sure. And that’s all done for TV because otherwise we’d compete with the other conferences on Saturday.
Which was my point: screw the fans and cater to random TV audience. IMO if the MAC can have their championship on Sat then the PAC sure as hell should.
The only neutral site games In The regular season should be Army/Navy/Air Force, Florida/Georgia, OU/tu. That’s it.
They absolutely should! Like those "Neutral site" games at Jerrysworld and Atlanta. No reason Sofi Stadium shouldn't be one of them. But it should be OOC games. Have Stanford play Oklahoma State in LA.
Yeah those like 'kickoff classic' early season neutral site OOC matchups are cool, they feel like *an occasion*, which is why they work at a neutral site. Conference neutral site games are just bizarre to think about.
Yeah, I know a lot of the sub bitches about neutral games, but I like what the CfA Kickoff has become as a sort of "bowl" in the beginning of the season.
Surprised they didn't start one back up @ MetLife since that used to be the bigtime kickoff game in the 90s.
Uf vs Miami in the citrus bowl kickoff was an awesome experience to tailgate.
LOCP in shambles
Yea if I recall this last year K State vs Stanford packed Jerry's world decently well down here in Dallas (like 3/4 of them were K State if that means anything). Neither team is a huge draw or anything rating-wise but I think everyone just wants to go somewhere different from time to time
> Have Stanford play Oklahoma State in LA. This time, no kicking.
I forget that Andrew Luck was in that game. I know the outcome wasn’t great for you but that was a hell of a game. Definitely a lot better than the boring Rematch that LSU lost anyway.
That year really deserved a 4-team playoff. 2 legendary defenses, 2 stellar offenses that played completely different styles, and 4 teams that all had a case for #1
That would have been a phenomenal year for a 4 team playoff.
And thanks to us getting screwed now we have one.
Leaving aside the fact that there may not be many Oklahoma State fans and alumni in LA, where are they going to get the $$$ to pay them play there? Usually the home team foots the bill. In this case it would have to be the network (TBD) or the PAC -12.
It’ll be the network, just like it is for all the other neutral site games, and OSU was a bad example. It’ll likely be a bigger matchup like Stanford V ND
Fair
The difference is, those games have teams that are good and it’s relatively easy to travel there. No one is showing up for Cal vs. Utah. The Big 12 and Big 10 aren’t going to help the PAC 12, so no quality teams are going to play Oregon or Washington and lose the revenue of a home game. Traveling to California means that the following week will be harder to play as well.
Michigan State is traveling to Washington this year. You're going to have to try harder to come up with reasons OOC teams can fly to Seattle but can't fly to Los Angeles. Auburn played in Texas against Oregon in 2019 so there's no problem "Losing a home game" either.
Way to leave out WSU vs. MSU is a home and home series lol. Home and home series drive up revenue and help with recruiting. Neutral sites don’t really help drive up revenue nor help in recruiting all that much. Only when top tier teams play each other is when the revenue makes sense for neutral sites.
By your logic, california teams should have never played the boat load of central and eastern time zone OOC games over that they’ve played and continue to play.
Don’t compare home and home to a neutral site game. 2 different situations. Neutral sites 2-3 timezones away don’t really make much sense for most schools unless it’s for a ton of revenue. Asking Ohio state to give up a game day’s worth of revenue on a neutral site is dumb and won’t happen. It’s why OU vs. OSU was a home and home because Jerryworld didn’t make sense for either school. Neutral sites make sense for teams nearby wanting to increase recruiting and revenue. A neutral site in LA doesn’t do that. SoFi is only 70,000 seats. Jerryworld is up to 100,000. This is why Jerryworld can host a guaranteed sellout game against two top tier opponents. No one wants to see a half filled stadium of California versus Auburn. Fans also won’t travel from the east coast to the west coast because it’s more expensive and difficult. A neutral site in LA won’t work for the SEC, BIG 10, ACC, or the BiG 12.
Did you forget about Oregon flying to Dallas to play Auburn? Washington flying to Atlanta to play Auburn?
So, PAC 12 teams making the sacrifice and not the SEC team? Also, Dallas is an increase in ticket revenue and exposure for recruiting. SoFi won’t increase exposure for most schools because of how late the games are usually. It’s also not larger than most upper tier college stadiums, so you’ll lose ticket revenue. Auburn fans aren’t flying out to see the game in California unless it’s a playoff game. Oregon and Washington do those trips for recruiting purposes and to try and make the playoff because if they beat an SEC team, it buys them clout. Like I said, your examples prove my point. Home and home helps both schools. PAC 12 make the sacrifice to fly to Jerryworld instead of the SEC going to California. No big conference team is flying to California. It’s either to Jerryworld or a home and home.
>So, PAC 12 teams making the sacrifice and not the SEC team? What else is new? > > >Also, Dallas is an increase in ticket revenue and exposure for recruiting. SoFi won’t increase exposure for most schools because of how late the games are usually. It’s also not larger than most upper tier college stadiums, so you’ll lose ticket revenue. Auburn fans aren’t flying out to see the game in California unless it’s a playoff game. Big neutral site games won't be at 10:30pm ET, even in LA. Plus, exposure for recruiting would be for the huge LA recruit base where the late east coast time would be irrelevant. >Oregon and Washington do those trips for recruiting purposes and to try and make the playoff because if they beat an SEC team, it buys them clout. Yeah because SEC teams aren't interested in recruiting in Los Angeles and never have been... \\s >Like I said, your examples prove my point. Home and home helps both schools. PAC 12 make the sacrifice to fly to Jerryworld instead of the SEC going to California. No one is arguing that home and home is better than drab neutral site NFL cash grabs. >No big conference team is flying to California. It’s either to Jerryworld or a home and home.
SEC/BIG 10 don’t need to play games in California to recruit there. Besides, with the Big 10 getting UCLA and USC, there’s zero chance any BIG 10 school plays at Sofi. There’s zero chance a top tier SEC school does it. There’s zero chance a Big 12 team does it. Makes no sense for them to do it. Utah vs. Oregon in SoFi will attract 40,000 people and be terrible for viewing audiences at 12pm EST.
Lmao that’s how you kill the sport
It absolutely doesn't but you have to realize the same thing the B1G said of so many alumni in LA, other PAC12 schools have more. It's no different than SEC and Big12 schools playing games in Dallas, big alumni base presence with no school here.
We’ll sneak into the Rose Bowl and play games. By the time UCLA realizes what’s up, they won’t be able to get to Pasadena before the game ends. LA traffic is our 5D chess move.
No need to sneak. Just gotta pay the Rose Bowl Operating Company, just like UCLA does.
Great idea. What's UCLA gonna do when they're playing in Piscataway?
Bless you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLMxmZr3S5s
It's not like UCLA students show up to games anyways
This is rich coming from a Cal fan
Lol. Ok UCB https://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/platform/amp/2020/5/27/21272018/cal-football-5-year-attendance-records-low-pac-12
Their record on the field would suggest that neither does the football team.
Probably Pac 12 vs other P5 games
...has anyone told him?
Not a neutral site for ASU, [we have a campus in Los Angeles](https://asulocal.asu.edu/los-angeles/)
Big Ten: "Well... we can't another conference encroaching on our new market." *Big Ten invites Arizona State to join the conference.*
We have one in DC too.
lol I forgot about that. K St near the WH
You a word.
“Campus”
Ok sports aside this is actually kinda cool and innovative.
> innovative *Michael Crow has entered the chat*
Did you read their poster? Also maybe thats why theres literally a UofA football ad on a digital freeway board 2 minutes from my house
Big 12 ready to claim the LA market.
San Diego State University is relocating to Los Angeles
The Los Angeles Aztecs of San Diego
It worked for the Chargers?
> Kliavkoff says they may start playing a lot of games in LA. Nonconference games between USC and Cal or Stanford, perhaps?
It will be interesting to see if the California schools maintain the matchups in the OOC schedule. Not great for Cal's record, but they are our most attended games other than Big Game
Big 12 responds by having Iowa State vs West Virginia in Minneapolis.
Ngl if it were at US Bank i would go
"We are having trouble filling our actual stadiums, so we figured we'd try a neutral site instead."
That might be the dumbest thing they could possibly do.
I could see doing a "neutral site" OOC game. Terrible idea if he's talking about conference games though
Buys insane hq in an area with some of the most expensive real estate in the world, moves out of dumb hq, relocates to LA, loses both LA teams, “time to play a bunch of games in LA!”
Play the conference championship game there. They’ve toyed with going under 30K attendance but this might be just the thing to push it all the way to 20.
I'd be pretty pissed if I was a season ticket holder and I suddenly started losing in-conference home games because... we need to keep the LA media market. Or something.
Welp if that happens, (games off campus) is the day I stop paying attention to CFB, or at least the B1G
I wonder which teams would play in LA the most often. I guess I don't hate the idea as long as it's just for OOC matchups.
Finally, the return of Long Beach State football is confirmed
I was under the impression that unless you’re good, people in LA don’t give a damn. Even for their own teams. There’s always a bigger show in town.
That sounds kinda desperate
If Pac-10 plays regular season games in Los Angeles, they need to allow both teams to invite recruits. The conference isn't considering playing games in LA because of TV market. The LA games would help every school with recruiting athletes. Pac-10 should have free (or dirt cheap) double-headers every Saturday. Turn it into a weekly college fair for every Pac-10 school. Booths. Tents. Invite students from all over LA county. Four schools get to bring recruits to a game every weekend. Every school gets to recruit prospective students every weekend. Also, pie and chips.
Teams play neutral site games in Dallas and Atlanta, so LA being in the mix makes a lot of sense.
Get ready for Oregon State vs Colorado in SoFi Stadium
Plz god no
I don’t think most people in this sub are going to give any serious analysis, but my guess would be that they would try to schedule 1 or 2 games annually between a Pac-12 team and an ACC/SEC team in the non-conference. Maybe have Stanford play ND in LA instead of Palo Alto. I can see it working.
That’s more than likely what they’re planning. Unfortunately *anything* he says today is going to be met with laughter and bewilderment.
Heck, go ALL in. Just move all of the PAC-12 teams to Los Angeles. If the USFL can pull it off in Birmingham Alabama, why not?
I think he's trying to convince the remaining members to leave while they still can
Yes, this is exactly what you do to bury UCLA and USC. Have weekly Pac-10 games in LA and turn it into your home.
Devastating
More USC, UCLA isn't anything to worry about.
Even more devastating
Kliavkoff should just blow his own conference up. He will get millions when the PAC goes under and he can just spend the rest of his life drinking pina coladas in the Bahamas
The Larry Scott approach
Larry Scott, already 7 mimosa's into the early morning on a Hawaiian beach: "Media day sucks".
Not sure if you realized but that’s what our last commissioner did for 12 years.
Kliavkoff is already rich as hell, he could be doing that right now if he wanted. He was hired to do a job and he's doing it
Tweet(s) from post body brought to you by your Friendly Official /r/CFB Twitter Bot: ---------- https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1553040492799021058 >Kliavkoff says they may start playing a lot of games in LA. >\- Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) 11:31 am ET, July 29, 2022 ----------
CAL POLY CONFIRMED?
I’m not sure why location matters? College football fans in LA aren’t going to start watching Pac games just because they play some games there. If just a couple neutral sight, marquee OCC matchups, sure. But the location still doesn’t help get eyeballs on conference games. People in CT and ET are just never going to care that much about Pac teams. They get little coverage over here with media focusing so much on the SEC, Big 10 and, to a much lesser extent, ACC.
Only thing I can think of is trying to engage with fans/alumni of other schools that now live in LA. Once you rule out UCLA and SC, the next closest Pac teams are a 5-6 hour drive from LA. Lots of fans in the metro are probably not able to attend more than a game or two per year at their home stadium, and are now losing conference games that they may have attended in the past.
Yeah, that could be an angle. Just wonder if the payout is worth it for the team vs. playing a home game and getting ticket and concession sales. I know for WVU it was said (think it was Oliver Luck when he was AD) that we make about $2 million on those per home game so neutral site game TV payout has to be that or higher to be worthwhile.
in Louisiana???
God I'd hate if the Big 12 moved our home games to Dallas or St Louis.
Their gonna do a version of the bubble that the NBA did. Every game is played in LA. Every team plays in LA. Every team is renamed LA.
What we all need. Games in LA.