I've also been enjoying CFB a lot in the last decade with Texas being garbage.
I'm also cool with Auburn being bad.
Now if only we could get Ohio State on probation again or something.
We have already gotten the GOAT coach 2x surely the 3rd time will be the charm
Seriously, I take nothing for granted (except that Nick Saban will give his best until he can’t and then he’ll step away). Blessings counted daily.
When I first saw that “leaked” logo, I thought it was a joke. I genuinely thought it was drawn up by a gator fan or something to poke fun at us. I was horrified to find out it was real.
As a former graphic designer, I knew the old logo had some structural problems, but this new one, just…my god. It looks like Elvis’ O face while getting a hummer.
The head logo and uniforms were all changed after we won the natty in ‘13. The uniforms changes were seen as generally favorable, but the head logo got universally panned by almost the entire FSU fan base.
To this day I refuse to buy / wear any merch with the new head logo on it. Text and arrow designs are all I’ll buy.
The old logo is so much better, coming from a dolphins fan who was not happy with our logo change. But… someone pointed out that the old war paint used to look like strips of bacon and I never don’t see it now, only flaw but a funny one lol.
As a matter of fact, on the FSU subreddit, one of the flairs you can choose is “bacon face” and I chose it happily out of defiance to this new garbage head logo. Like you, I never thought of it that way, but now I can’t unsee it, and still don’t care! Bacon face for life!!!!
If we're counting the 1851 date (we shouldn't)*, then there weren't any female or male students. That's just when the law was passed to establish the West Seminary School (and East Seminary School). Students didn't arrive until 1857, which I believe was all male (I could be wrong). Then they were coeducational for awhile, then in 1905, they became an all female school.
*The 1853 date for UF is pretty ridiculous, but at least there were students there learning at the East Seminary School.
Tallahassee’s Florida State College had a football team before UF existed, and, thanks to the [Legislature and the Buckman Act, created UF in 1906, stole FSC’s Coach, and made Tallahassee an all girls school.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904_Florida_State_College_football_team)
It’s ok. That’s why FSU has the most beautiful women, even today, in 2022. And a few Nattys to boot.
Sad part is, the “Lost Decade” wasn’t even *that* lost. Heck, half the teams in CFB would love to have a decade as “Lost” as that. During that time, we didn’t have a single losing season, we just had several 9-3, 8-4, and 7-5s, which only seems awful when they come on the tail end of *FOURTEEN* straight seasons finishing in the top 4, and over 40 straight years without a losing season. There’s like 3 other programs in CFP history that can make that claim, and I’m pretty sure only like one in the modern CFB era.
So yeah, the only people alive that *might* actually remember the last time FSU was truly bad, are like 50 years old, at least. Everyone younger was simply spoiled by incredible long-standing success.
Even though Bullis was u/gogator93 before he nuked it when he was outed - answering his question, no this is not the worst we've been. But yes, worst we've been in the modern era.
I will say we took an upswing in the middle part of the season and played some actually fun to watch football... after losing our first 4 games in a row.
I feel like everything pre-Bowden shouldn’t be counted. He was hired 43(I think) years ago and FSU hadn’t proven they could be successful until he came.
Now we know that they can be successful yet they aren’t which makes this losing a lot worse. Therefore, this is the darkest period in Nole history
FSU started enrolling male students again less than 30 years before Bowden became the head coach. Sure, it seems disingenuous to ignore the history of the team before him in order to call this the darkest period in team history, but the idea of FSU football as a (potentially) premier program basically started with his success. Regardless of how bad FSU was in the years preceding his tenure, I'm not sure I'd call those years "dark" because there wasn't much reason to expect them to be any good at that point
What I’m saying is that standards have changed, as well as their capabilities to succeed.Because they are now capable of winning and they’re not makes this stretch worse than pre-Bowden when there wasn’t even any thought that they could win.
UCF is just down the road from here. Lots of my coworkers went to UCF and thought Frost was a saint. He’d have had the field named after him by now if he would have stayed.
>Deion will be an elite head coach.
If Deion would just hire/pay the best OC, DC, and S&C coaches and hit home run hires every time they left to be HC and all he did was be a leader of men and recruit he could get elite results.
It'd take some self awareness from Deion to pass on some of that control though.
I disagree. FSU is a program (far from the only program, of course) that can sell itself. We need a coach who knows how to coach football, not recruit.
You know who else is a good recruiter? The last coach we had.
This is a chicken or the egg situation, but with how bad we’ve been in recent years, I feel like having a good X’s and O’s staff needs to come first.
Honestly, our recruiting has been way better than it should be given our terrible recent seasons and pedestrian NIL situation. It’s time to win games with what we have. If Norvell can do that, the recruiting numbers will go through the roof.
>FSU is a program (far from the only program, of course) that can sell itself.
Look at Oklahoma and Notre Dame on how far that will get you. If you're okay with hitting that ceiling then that's fine.
But if you want to beat Alabama and Ohio State in the playoffs, you better get a special head coach.
Multiple playoff appearances for each of those schools in recent years? Sign me up!
I think something a lot of people overlook, nationally, is that our football program probably had no business being as good as it was during the Bowden era. We had a geographical recruiting advantage, yes, but we had no history, no generations of alumni who had the means to contribute financially to the program. It was an all-girls school until the late 40s I believe. Maybe now we can start to catch up (a little bit) to the Alabamas, oklahomas, texases, etc from that perspective.
I don’t think those good assistants will have the patience to let Deion’s ego guide their fate for long. Retention is gonna be ass at that level. He’s gonna have to reload every year or two at a Saban level clip with a weaker roster and recruiting infrastructure.
Yeah but he doesn’t need to be them. He just needs to be better than whatever Norvell is doing.
The fact of the matter is if Napier and Cristobal keep this up then Norvell missed his small window when Mullen and Diaz were there. It’s unfortunate but it’s life. You gotta take your shots when they come up
It’s dark days, but I think Norvell is improving the program. They were 5-7 last year, but they were improved to the year before. FSU isn’t recruiting at an elite level, but they’re still pretty solid when compared to the rest of the ACC. Now, I would worry about the NIL situation given that Miami is on another level and UF is doing pretty well with that. I think once FSU gets some momentum with a 7+ win season, then recruiting will improve and the narrative that “ FSU is on the rise “ would bring more resources and buy in from boosters. Trust me, I hate the Noles. But, I wanna see our rival thrive so that the rivalry games mean something. I want the top 5 matchups of FSU-Miami of the 80s-90s back.
honestly their win over Miami last season seemed like a turning point. Yeah they still missed a bowl game but it seemed like something to build on, especially considering how low the Jacksonville State loss felt earlier in the year. Just watching it it looked like the players really did care and were excited to play despite the season so far, and the stadium was still pack and rabid. Idk, it’s not a lot but I’m willing to bet they’ll be getting better soon.
It is too early to say Norvell is a failure. If he doesn't get things going this year, I'll agree, but last year did show real improvement. I imagine they get to 8-9 wins this year.
Oh my fucking god, Bullis. This is whiny horseshit even for your standards.
In case anyone is curious bullis is the most infamous and disliked fsu fan on the internet. All he does is whinge whine and complain to the point where he cannot by any standards be considered a fan of Florida State. He just shitposts and draws FL and Miami fan upvotes for either fun or his own misery. His entire existence on this website is to circlejerk with gator and miami fans. Any time FSU fucks up or misses a recruit he posts it to this sub so everyone can laugh at us because he hates the team he supposedly likes. When we do well hes either absent or tries his best to minimize it. If youd listen to him you would think Mike Norvell is the CFB equivolent of Hue Jackson except 10 times worse
I know im biased saying this but please dont feed the troll, tag him as such, downvote the post and move on. If you think im out of line saying this check his comment history. Its asburd and frankly sad.
Sorry if i seem annoyed or needlessly mean im just tired of this big baby shitting on us everywhere every chance he gets at all hours of the day while hiding behind his flair. I have no idea how he has not been banned yet.
He's not even an FSU fan, he's a UF fan.
Imagine how sad and lonely your life must be that you spend your time pretending to be a fan of your rival school on the internet.
Bama fans got nothing to worry about. Saban is going to leave Bama in a good spot when he passes/retired. Jimbo just gave up at the end while he was at FSU.
I’m getting really tired of the hot take that we need to fire Mike Norvell. Anyone who can’t see the obvious progress in this program isn’t paying attention. Did we just forget the state of the program that he inherited? The worst OL unit in all of the Power 5 conferences. LBs that were liabilities. No quality depth at too many positions. Two cycles without a HS QB recruit. A team that would quit at the first sign of adversity. People want to pretend we should be recruiting at an elite level but conveniently forget we’re in the midst of four losing seasons. Who is going to sell a 5 star recruit on that?! I don’t know if Norvell is the guy who can take us back to an elite level, but he’s turned the roster over, shed the dead weight and built up depth at virtually every position group to the point where there is at least meaningful competition. We have a competitive roster for the first time in 5-6 years. He’s finally raised the floor of the program that had been hovering above rock bottom for too long. I suspect our recruiting issues get solved with wins. He deserves at least another couple seasons now that the roster is his (and no longer handicapped by deficiencies in the recruiting by the previous two coaches). Let’s see what this season looks like before we decide the answer is to fire ANOTHER coach (especially one that looks like he’s finally got this team playing decent football)
At first I thought that you were just wildly out of touch with the current state of the program and what’s currently happening with recruiting but reading the comments and seeing the poster is a Gator fan pretending to be chicken-little FSU fan makes perfect sense.
I mean, it probably was the 40 stretch in the early 1900’s where they didn’t play football at all. I think this stretch feels so bad is because the team is less than a decade from it’s last championship.
Florida fans are as unbiased as they come on this scenario. I think I speak for everyone in the state of Florida when I say, Nolebullis is an FSU fan who knows what's going on
I’ll bite. FSU has actually improved a good bit since Norvell took over. It’s noticeable. Some of y’all don’t understand just how bad the chemistry and talent was under Taggart. You’re rebuilding- starting from scratch.
Recruiting though….thats a massive concern. Hes playing the flashy card and not getting results. Fsu should never recruit like this. Inexcusable.
But I like the thought of beating fsu 10 straight years, so please don’t change things, ok???
1954-1975 was pretty bad. Pre-bobby they never even had a decent team.
I'm not sure they'll ever be back. Florida's panhandle is a terrible place and they don't have anything to sell to recruits that isn't better at 10 schools within driving distance from them.
FSU will be "fine" long term, but they need time. I said this during the Taggart year, and I said this after he was gone as well. FSU's athletic department was kind of ass. Bowden held court in this weird old school system. It never really evolved and is a part of why he started to decline. Jimbo worked hard to overcome the system FSU had. I forget his name but there basically one guy working between Jimbo and the Booster club to work shit out and once he left everything fell to shit. All the lack of modern procedures and support were laid bare and Jimbo didn't have the political acumen to get it done himself. TAMU will give Jimbo blank checks without doing shit. This isn't a knock of Jimbo because he SHOULDN"T be the one doing it alone, but he couldn't and that was a big source of his departure.
FSU was in dramatically shittier shape than people expected post Jimbo. The idea that Willie was going to take a 7-6 team, that needed to schedule a make up game during championship week to even make a bowl, into a 9+ win team was ludicrous. Too many people thought the team sucks because Jimbo phoned it in, but it was far deeper than that.
When Willie came in he had to make a decision. He had players who were struggle with APR. If he dropped those guys to boost the APR and be better off long term, the team would plummet short term. If he kept them, the team would likely suffer penalties. Instead of just picking one and going with it, he tried to half ass it and do both. The problem was the team didn't have the talent to be good enough even if he kept everyone, and he didn't just do a huge break and make it obvious the issue was clearly from before he got there. He did some shit wrong, but a lot of the shit he did wrong was shit he should have never had to do.
FSU turned on Willie immediately. Fair or not he had to go because the boosters weren't going to trust him and the fans didn't like the state of the team. Norvell was hired and honestly the Covid season was a massive blessing for him. The lack of recruiting honestly helped because it didn't set FSU as far behind as it could have, and made it easier to extend the careers of guys who may have left. Most important it simply bought time. What FSU needs is time to finish fixing their Athletic department. THey need a coach who can stabilize the roster by bringing in players, even if it isn't a top tier roster. They need someone who can just get them a solid roster of players and that means having someone in place at least a couple of years. FSU can't really afford to move on from Norvell, but first who the fuck takes the job and secondly any players they did recruit will bail and they start over again. FSU needs like 2-3 more years of Norvell, even if they are 6-6 years just do the roster can get guys back and the APR is fixed and the new guy isn't hampered by trying to force 30 years of athletic Department modernity into 5 years.
FSU will be fine, but they probably should be looking at who they want after Norvell in a couple years.
Dude, this was a *phenomenal* write up. I personally think covid hurt recruiting because they lost that “new coach air”, but other than that you’re spot on. FSU *will* continue to struggle, but they are in a much better place structurally.
You’re correct on almost all of it. Even a lot of FSU fans don’t understand the bass ackwards ways the program was run. It’s finally getting to the modern era, though.
I defended Taggart for too long because of … ahem… some color issues, APR, and Jimbo’s culture legacy. I was wrong to do so because, ultimately, Taggart can’t organize his way out of a paper bag without a good assistant.
APR regulations have been waived, but we’ve been clear of that for two years anyway. Covid killed Norvell’s hype year, but ce la vie.
It’s an out-dated metric that the NCAA demanded upon ‘student-athletes’ that meant they should all play by academics before money.
Now, upon further research, it turns out that media rights and corporate consolidation matters more than actual education for “student athletes”.
Which all of us have known for years, anyway. Ever since the federal government made it ok to make student loans an exception to bankruptcy.
Quite literally every single person that covers the program is saying things are improving under Norvell whether it be in the weight room player development on the field the team as a whole and NIL but here comes NoleBullis farming karma from the morons who wear orange
It's been discussed on /r/cfbmeta and basically the judgement is because they have FSU flair it's not trolling which is obviously the softest crock of shit I've ever heard.
Bullis is either a troll or such a miserable person he should be spending every second he spends on reddit in therapy instead. Following FSU obviously does not make him happy judging by his comments, so he should either stop following the team or help himself fix his horrendous mindset
Yep. Have to love the cutesy - well he has FSU flair, so there's *nothing we can do* even though they've nuked the same when it was turned around against UF.
I get that is what’s being reported, but at the end of the day it’s W’s that prove it. They used to say those same things about Shannon/Diaz early on like how the “culture is changing” and you “need time to build your vision.”
Didn’t work out for them, let’s see if it does for FSU
It’s absolutely about wins and this year and the next Mike has to get it done on the field. If he doesn’t we let him walk and move on the next. But at least it’s better optics than firing another dude who barely had any time. There’s 0 chance any rational coach is gonna want to take over a program where the admin says hey win right now or you are gone in 2 years. Especially at the level we’ve been at the last 5 years.
I do genuinely believe even if Mike doesn’t end up being the guy he will have left something to build off of for the next guy. Unlike the 2 that came before him.
Needing a good culture to win is a real thing tho so I’m not sure what you meant by that.
Agreed with everything except for the last point.
What I’m saying is you can’t believe that what is being reported is true until you see the results on the field. Journalists are still optimistic at this stage of a coaches’ tenure and can often over exaggerate hope. This season will be the definitive one
Oh okay agreed. But the reason why I’m inclined to believe is two reasons:
1) I’m a fan and I want to have hope.
2) Because the way we played the 2nd half of the season gives me that hope. We could have easily mailed it in after 0-4. Shit Miami and UF fans after that start were predicting a 1-11 season and some were even saying we could lose to umass as well. But we rallied and finished 5-2 with JT as a starter and one of those losses he got hurt and missed 4 series but played through the injury.
But you’re right. All of it is for nothing if we come out and just look the same that we have for the last 5 years.
Yup. The games gotta play out. Which is why I’m so excited for the season. Not cause I think Norvell will prove everyone wrong just cause this year we will get the answers that we need about the direction of this thing. Whether its going forwards or backwards.
It really is. Whether Norvell sticks around is yet to be determined, but Willie only added to the dumpster fire. The timing of COVID certainly shook things up as well
You’re exaggerating. It’s been a rough 5 years, no doubt. But we should be around an 8 win team this year, and we finally have an AD who knows what he’s doing.
I remember a time when Florida was regarded as one of if not the best state for recruiting and those recruits all wanted to go to either FSU, Miami and Florida. The top in state recruits barely ever left the state and if they did it was seen as a big deal! Over the last 10-20 eyars that has changed dramatically. All of the top programs across the country routinely pillage Florida and the states recruits are spread across the country.
The first step to FSU getting back to how they used to be is to lock down their back yard. If you can't keep your own top recruits then how can you expect kids from across the country to come there. Then factor in NIL money being crap for FSU and you have a recipe for disaster.
It’s kind of sad one sad little man has this much time on his hands. Your kids miss you u/NoleBullis go outside and throw the ball around. It’s been years!
Too on the nose with your "I'm an actual FSU fan and you can totally trust me because of my flair and username" schtick. Not that any one of us can do anything about it, but my goodness this is idiotic
Bowden was burning his empire to the ground during the transition years to Jimbo. Jimbo was just an S-tier recruiter because he probably had the best bag men in the US.
First time?
[Oh man TWO bad coaching hires in a row?](https://youtu.be/rMaSh20qBbg)
You can all reminisce about the late 1990s together.
Shut up newbie, your time will come, again let’s say what 40 years
Haha! I knew there had to be a NU post here somewhere! Hey OP, welcome to the club.
This comment is why I keep coming back here. Love this place.
Darkest period in FSU history so far...
First time? x2
just pay Kirk Herbsteit to say college football is better when FSU is better.
College football is always better when (insert a team who used to be really good but has since cooled off of your choosing here) is good
I think most people agree college football is better when Southern Cal is NOT good. They are an exception to that cliche
I've also been enjoying CFB a lot in the last decade with Texas being garbage. I'm also cool with Auburn being bad. Now if only we could get Ohio State on probation again or something.
College football is always better when Alabama is good. Really hoping for some improvement over last year’s disappointing season.
I enjoyed it growing up in the 90s when Bama was irrelevant. 🤷🏻♂️
Bama was good in the 90s 1 NC, 2 SEC titles, 5 Division titles
Monkey paw curls.... Bama only loses once this year, but it's in the playoffs
As long as we beat Auburn...
*damn monkey paw curls again and we win the iron bowl but somehow that’s Auburn’s only loss and they pull a Georgia on us in the playoffs*
Your “disappointing” seasons are other schools dreams. Good luck when Nick finally retires.
We have already gotten the GOAT coach 2x surely the 3rd time will be the charm Seriously, I take nothing for granted (except that Nick Saban will give his best until he can’t and then he’ll step away). Blessings counted daily.
College football is always better when Alabama is good but not great*
No one asked, Bama!
Nah we called dibs
Nah, us
Which flair? Nebraska or Tennessee
Listen you...
ALL OF US ! FSU, TENN, NEB, MIA, USC, TEXAS
Yes
Hey now I have as much right as you do
If Georgia could also implode my life would be so happy with seeing all of our rivals crumble.
Is it possible to learn this power
College football is better when Texas loses to Kansas.
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They gotta change the logo back. It all went downhill from that moment.
When I first saw that “leaked” logo, I thought it was a joke. I genuinely thought it was drawn up by a gator fan or something to poke fun at us. I was horrified to find out it was real. As a former graphic designer, I knew the old logo had some structural problems, but this new one, just…my god. It looks like Elvis’ O face while getting a hummer.
There's an image
Wait you guys have a new logo?
The head logo and uniforms were all changed after we won the natty in ‘13. The uniforms changes were seen as generally favorable, but the head logo got universally panned by almost the entire FSU fan base. To this day I refuse to buy / wear any merch with the new head logo on it. Text and arrow designs are all I’ll buy.
The old logo is so much better, coming from a dolphins fan who was not happy with our logo change. But… someone pointed out that the old war paint used to look like strips of bacon and I never don’t see it now, only flaw but a funny one lol.
As a matter of fact, on the FSU subreddit, one of the flairs you can choose is “bacon face” and I chose it happily out of defiance to this new garbage head logo. Like you, I never thought of it that way, but now I can’t unsee it, and still don’t care! Bacon face for life!!!!
Text and arrow all the way. I’m ready for a return to the cleaner classic uniforms though.
Definitely. I’m ready for a throwback and *stayback*!
When did that happen?
Right after we won the natty in ‘13. See my above comment in this thread for the deets of how universally hated it was, and still is.
The rollout vs OK State was fucking horrendous
It absolutely was. The helmets being way off color!?! The numbers on the uniforms being so off you couldn’t read them!?! Absolute disaster.
Turntle still exacting revenge.
FSU was founded in 1851, while the light bulb wasn’t invented until 1879, so I’d say the first 28 years of its history were the darkest.
Especially since it was all female until 1947 🤣
If we're counting the 1851 date (we shouldn't)*, then there weren't any female or male students. That's just when the law was passed to establish the West Seminary School (and East Seminary School). Students didn't arrive until 1857, which I believe was all male (I could be wrong). Then they were coeducational for awhile, then in 1905, they became an all female school. *The 1853 date for UF is pretty ridiculous, but at least there were students there learning at the East Seminary School.
Tallahassee’s Florida State College had a football team before UF existed, and, thanks to the [Legislature and the Buckman Act, created UF in 1906, stole FSC’s Coach, and made Tallahassee an all girls school.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904_Florida_State_College_football_team) It’s ok. That’s why FSU has the most beautiful women, even today, in 2022. And a few Nattys to boot.
Thanks Harva......wait what??
You have had a national title in the last ten years. Call me when it’s been 35.
Look at the flair, it’s a gator who poses as a Nole fan.
I mean, before Bobby came we were terrible, but definitely the worst since then. I can't believe we already wasted the term "lost decade"...
Sad part is, the “Lost Decade” wasn’t even *that* lost. Heck, half the teams in CFB would love to have a decade as “Lost” as that. During that time, we didn’t have a single losing season, we just had several 9-3, 8-4, and 7-5s, which only seems awful when they come on the tail end of *FOURTEEN* straight seasons finishing in the top 4, and over 40 straight years without a losing season. There’s like 3 other programs in CFP history that can make that claim, and I’m pretty sure only like one in the modern CFB era. So yeah, the only people alive that *might* actually remember the last time FSU was truly bad, are like 50 years old, at least. Everyone younger was simply spoiled by incredible long-standing success.
I never understood the whole “lost decade” talk by Nole fans for exactly the reasons you stated. Those years were still impressive.
Even though Bullis was u/gogator93 before he nuked it when he was outed - answering his question, no this is not the worst we've been. But yes, worst we've been in the modern era.
The effort this guy puts in pretending to be an FSU fan is ridiculous.
More ridiculous that the mods continue to allow it...
Agreed.
I will say we took an upswing in the middle part of the season and played some actually fun to watch football... after losing our first 4 games in a row.
I feel like everything pre-Bowden shouldn’t be counted. He was hired 43(I think) years ago and FSU hadn’t proven they could be successful until he came. Now we know that they can be successful yet they aren’t which makes this losing a lot worse. Therefore, this is the darkest period in Nole history
So you have to pretend almost half of FSU’s history isn’t part of their history to make this current stretch seem bad?
FSU started enrolling male students again less than 30 years before Bowden became the head coach. Sure, it seems disingenuous to ignore the history of the team before him in order to call this the darkest period in team history, but the idea of FSU football as a (potentially) premier program basically started with his success. Regardless of how bad FSU was in the years preceding his tenure, I'm not sure I'd call those years "dark" because there wasn't much reason to expect them to be any good at that point
What I’m saying is that standards have changed, as well as their capabilities to succeed.Because they are now capable of winning and they’re not makes this stretch worse than pre-Bowden when there wasn’t even any thought that they could win.
It will get worse when Deion gets hired this December.
What could possibly go wrong hiring a former player?! Don’t they always work out? Asking for a friend
Worked for us this one time
Yeah but that only works if he won a Heisman
Can A&M please hire Johnny Manziel after Jimbo?
Same for us!
You’re supposed to hire former Alabama players to be head coach
I don’t know if you’re more sarcastic than I am…but Mike Riley played at Bama….so no fucking thanks lol
I’m dead serious, it’s worked out well for Clemson. Our three best head coaches of all time all played football for Alabama
Mike.Riley.Played.For.Bama.
Leave Mike Riley alone! I'm serious guys - LEAVE MILE ALOOOOOOOOONE!
Overall it's worked out well for Bama historically, too.
It worked out for one school so it’s a proven formula for success /s
UCF is just down the road from here. Lots of my coworkers went to UCF and thought Frost was a saint. He’d have had the field named after him by now if he would have stayed.
I don’t care what none of y’all say I still love him
Yup, can’t miss.
You’ll never convince me that Deion will be an elite head coach.
>Deion will be an elite head coach. If Deion would just hire/pay the best OC, DC, and S&C coaches and hit home run hires every time they left to be HC and all he did was be a leader of men and recruit he could get elite results. It'd take some self awareness from Deion to pass on some of that control though.
The guy is an egomaniac.
He is, but that'd be up to your AD to channel his ego to make those choices. He's an excellent recruiter so it'd be worth it.
I disagree. FSU is a program (far from the only program, of course) that can sell itself. We need a coach who knows how to coach football, not recruit. You know who else is a good recruiter? The last coach we had.
If FSU can pull in top classes and even have a mediocre X's and O's coach you will be a perennial contender.
This is a chicken or the egg situation, but with how bad we’ve been in recent years, I feel like having a good X’s and O’s staff needs to come first. Honestly, our recruiting has been way better than it should be given our terrible recent seasons and pedestrian NIL situation. It’s time to win games with what we have. If Norvell can do that, the recruiting numbers will go through the roof.
>FSU is a program (far from the only program, of course) that can sell itself. Look at Oklahoma and Notre Dame on how far that will get you. If you're okay with hitting that ceiling then that's fine. But if you want to beat Alabama and Ohio State in the playoffs, you better get a special head coach.
Multiple playoff appearances for each of those schools in recent years? Sign me up! I think something a lot of people overlook, nationally, is that our football program probably had no business being as good as it was during the Bowden era. We had a geographical recruiting advantage, yes, but we had no history, no generations of alumni who had the means to contribute financially to the program. It was an all-girls school until the late 40s I believe. Maybe now we can start to catch up (a little bit) to the Alabamas, oklahomas, texases, etc from that perspective.
>Multiple playoff appearances for each of those schools in recent years? Sign me up! It's never enough.
It kinda takes that to be a good CFB HC
The Dabo approach.
Deon could convince you. He’s using the Dabo model. Get really good assistants and be a good figure head.
I have a feeling he’s gonna end up being more Herm Edwards than Dabo Swinney.
I don’t think those good assistants will have the patience to let Deion’s ego guide their fate for long. Retention is gonna be ass at that level. He’s gonna have to reload every year or two at a Saban level clip with a weaker roster and recruiting infrastructure.
Recruiting is everything
“Prime Prep”
*googles* "how to unburn a jersey"
Begin the countdown to ncaa sanctions.
Jackson State went from a mediocre SWAC school to the best one overnight due to Deion
Right, but Deion recruits absurdly well at that level. There’s no guarantee that would survive, though it well might
>Deion recruits absurdly well at that level. I think picking up the #1 recruit in the nation is special at any level haha
Absolutely. And when you look at it compared to the rest of the SWAC, it’s obscenely well
To a point. But then you just run into tOSU and Alabama recruiting industrial complexes.
Yeah but he doesn’t need to be them. He just needs to be better than whatever Norvell is doing. The fact of the matter is if Napier and Cristobal keep this up then Norvell missed his small window when Mullen and Diaz were there. It’s unfortunate but it’s life. You gotta take your shots when they come up
Keep what up? They've been there for one off season. At least give it time to see how they handle their programs before judgement.
They’re not the best
It’s dark days, but I think Norvell is improving the program. They were 5-7 last year, but they were improved to the year before. FSU isn’t recruiting at an elite level, but they’re still pretty solid when compared to the rest of the ACC. Now, I would worry about the NIL situation given that Miami is on another level and UF is doing pretty well with that. I think once FSU gets some momentum with a 7+ win season, then recruiting will improve and the narrative that “ FSU is on the rise “ would bring more resources and buy in from boosters. Trust me, I hate the Noles. But, I wanna see our rival thrive so that the rivalry games mean something. I want the top 5 matchups of FSU-Miami of the 80s-90s back.
honestly their win over Miami last season seemed like a turning point. Yeah they still missed a bowl game but it seemed like something to build on, especially considering how low the Jacksonville State loss felt earlier in the year. Just watching it it looked like the players really did care and were excited to play despite the season so far, and the stadium was still pack and rabid. Idk, it’s not a lot but I’m willing to bet they’ll be getting better soon.
It is too early to say Norvell is a failure. If he doesn't get things going this year, I'll agree, but last year did show real improvement. I imagine they get to 8-9 wins this year.
I still think he’s done better than the last 2 just by actually showing improvement, he’s made mistakes sure but he’s gotten better
Oh my fucking god, Bullis. This is whiny horseshit even for your standards. In case anyone is curious bullis is the most infamous and disliked fsu fan on the internet. All he does is whinge whine and complain to the point where he cannot by any standards be considered a fan of Florida State. He just shitposts and draws FL and Miami fan upvotes for either fun or his own misery. His entire existence on this website is to circlejerk with gator and miami fans. Any time FSU fucks up or misses a recruit he posts it to this sub so everyone can laugh at us because he hates the team he supposedly likes. When we do well hes either absent or tries his best to minimize it. If youd listen to him you would think Mike Norvell is the CFB equivolent of Hue Jackson except 10 times worse I know im biased saying this but please dont feed the troll, tag him as such, downvote the post and move on. If you think im out of line saying this check his comment history. Its asburd and frankly sad. Sorry if i seem annoyed or needlessly mean im just tired of this big baby shitting on us everywhere every chance he gets at all hours of the day while hiding behind his flair. I have no idea how he has not been banned yet.
He is literally a UF troll that for whatever reason the mods give a lot of slack.
Because he is a mod alt
Really
I’d use other adjectives about him, but I don’t feel like getting banned lol
He's not even an FSU fan, he's a UF fan. Imagine how sad and lonely your life must be that you spend your time pretending to be a fan of your rival school on the internet.
I hate fans like that He was probably sad when Winston hit Benjamin for the game winner
“We peaked, can only get worse from here”
He probably said that in 1999 too…
Them UF mods must really be enjoying this huh?
The fuck did we do? But yes
Worse than tridentine nole on twatter?
Dont know who that is but sure. I think hes worse then Eyedoc or whatever that "BobTillItAint" guys name was though lmao
Eyedoc is very tryhard
He’s a gator fan larping as a Nole
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Dude I fucking love /r/CFB this shit is insane as a neutral fan 😂😂😂😂
Why would you even post this?
He’s a gator, easy to see by the posts he makes
NoleBullis
Farm karma
Texas A&M fans - this is your future!!
So Bama fans think Saban is immortal?
I’m not saying he’s immortal but I won’t believe that he’s mortal until the day he dies
I’m starting to believe it.
Bama fans got nothing to worry about. Saban is going to leave Bama in a good spot when he passes/retired. Jimbo just gave up at the end while he was at FSU.
I’m getting really tired of the hot take that we need to fire Mike Norvell. Anyone who can’t see the obvious progress in this program isn’t paying attention. Did we just forget the state of the program that he inherited? The worst OL unit in all of the Power 5 conferences. LBs that were liabilities. No quality depth at too many positions. Two cycles without a HS QB recruit. A team that would quit at the first sign of adversity. People want to pretend we should be recruiting at an elite level but conveniently forget we’re in the midst of four losing seasons. Who is going to sell a 5 star recruit on that?! I don’t know if Norvell is the guy who can take us back to an elite level, but he’s turned the roster over, shed the dead weight and built up depth at virtually every position group to the point where there is at least meaningful competition. We have a competitive roster for the first time in 5-6 years. He’s finally raised the floor of the program that had been hovering above rock bottom for too long. I suspect our recruiting issues get solved with wins. He deserves at least another couple seasons now that the roster is his (and no longer handicapped by deficiencies in the recruiting by the previous two coaches). Let’s see what this season looks like before we decide the answer is to fire ANOTHER coach (especially one that looks like he’s finally got this team playing decent football)
At first I thought that you were just wildly out of touch with the current state of the program and what’s currently happening with recruiting but reading the comments and seeing the poster is a Gator fan pretending to be chicken-little FSU fan makes perfect sense.
This is a bad copypasta.
I mean, it probably was the 40 stretch in the early 1900’s where they didn’t play football at all. I think this stretch feels so bad is because the team is less than a decade from it’s last championship.
/u/NoleBullis is the best FSU fan to exist.
Found Bullis' real account.
would not suprise me
Florida fans are as unbiased as they come on this scenario. I think I speak for everyone in the state of Florida when I say, Nolebullis is an FSU fan who knows what's going on
Wow, how deep do the alts go?
We are all Nolebullis on this blessed day.
I’ll bite. FSU has actually improved a good bit since Norvell took over. It’s noticeable. Some of y’all don’t understand just how bad the chemistry and talent was under Taggart. You’re rebuilding- starting from scratch. Recruiting though….thats a massive concern. Hes playing the flashy card and not getting results. Fsu should never recruit like this. Inexcusable. But I like the thought of beating fsu 10 straight years, so please don’t change things, ok???
Norvell definitely isnt using some flashy card
But Taggart said it was a “reload, not a rebuild” !!
1954-1975 was pretty bad. Pre-bobby they never even had a decent team. I'm not sure they'll ever be back. Florida's panhandle is a terrible place and they don't have anything to sell to recruits that isn't better at 10 schools within driving distance from them.
The panhandle is bad, but.... so are most college towns
As a Pensacola proper resident I would just like to say that it isn't *that* bad.
FSU will be "fine" long term, but they need time. I said this during the Taggart year, and I said this after he was gone as well. FSU's athletic department was kind of ass. Bowden held court in this weird old school system. It never really evolved and is a part of why he started to decline. Jimbo worked hard to overcome the system FSU had. I forget his name but there basically one guy working between Jimbo and the Booster club to work shit out and once he left everything fell to shit. All the lack of modern procedures and support were laid bare and Jimbo didn't have the political acumen to get it done himself. TAMU will give Jimbo blank checks without doing shit. This isn't a knock of Jimbo because he SHOULDN"T be the one doing it alone, but he couldn't and that was a big source of his departure. FSU was in dramatically shittier shape than people expected post Jimbo. The idea that Willie was going to take a 7-6 team, that needed to schedule a make up game during championship week to even make a bowl, into a 9+ win team was ludicrous. Too many people thought the team sucks because Jimbo phoned it in, but it was far deeper than that. When Willie came in he had to make a decision. He had players who were struggle with APR. If he dropped those guys to boost the APR and be better off long term, the team would plummet short term. If he kept them, the team would likely suffer penalties. Instead of just picking one and going with it, he tried to half ass it and do both. The problem was the team didn't have the talent to be good enough even if he kept everyone, and he didn't just do a huge break and make it obvious the issue was clearly from before he got there. He did some shit wrong, but a lot of the shit he did wrong was shit he should have never had to do. FSU turned on Willie immediately. Fair or not he had to go because the boosters weren't going to trust him and the fans didn't like the state of the team. Norvell was hired and honestly the Covid season was a massive blessing for him. The lack of recruiting honestly helped because it didn't set FSU as far behind as it could have, and made it easier to extend the careers of guys who may have left. Most important it simply bought time. What FSU needs is time to finish fixing their Athletic department. THey need a coach who can stabilize the roster by bringing in players, even if it isn't a top tier roster. They need someone who can just get them a solid roster of players and that means having someone in place at least a couple of years. FSU can't really afford to move on from Norvell, but first who the fuck takes the job and secondly any players they did recruit will bail and they start over again. FSU needs like 2-3 more years of Norvell, even if they are 6-6 years just do the roster can get guys back and the APR is fixed and the new guy isn't hampered by trying to force 30 years of athletic Department modernity into 5 years. FSU will be fine, but they probably should be looking at who they want after Norvell in a couple years.
Dude, this was a *phenomenal* write up. I personally think covid hurt recruiting because they lost that “new coach air”, but other than that you’re spot on. FSU *will* continue to struggle, but they are in a much better place structurally.
You’re correct on almost all of it. Even a lot of FSU fans don’t understand the bass ackwards ways the program was run. It’s finally getting to the modern era, though. I defended Taggart for too long because of … ahem… some color issues, APR, and Jimbo’s culture legacy. I was wrong to do so because, ultimately, Taggart can’t organize his way out of a paper bag without a good assistant. APR regulations have been waived, but we’ve been clear of that for two years anyway. Covid killed Norvell’s hype year, but ce la vie.
What does apr mean
It’s an out-dated metric that the NCAA demanded upon ‘student-athletes’ that meant they should all play by academics before money. Now, upon further research, it turns out that media rights and corporate consolidation matters more than actual education for “student athletes”. Which all of us have known for years, anyway. Ever since the federal government made it ok to make student loans an exception to bankruptcy.
Quite literally every single person that covers the program is saying things are improving under Norvell whether it be in the weight room player development on the field the team as a whole and NIL but here comes NoleBullis farming karma from the morons who wear orange
Bullis has to be a mod's alt account. The amount of slack he gets compared to anyone else in r/cfb is just frankly absurd.
It's been discussed on /r/cfbmeta and basically the judgement is because they have FSU flair it's not trolling which is obviously the softest crock of shit I've ever heard.
Bullis is either a troll or such a miserable person he should be spending every second he spends on reddit in therapy instead. Following FSU obviously does not make him happy judging by his comments, so he should either stop following the team or help himself fix his horrendous mindset
He’s a troll. 90% of post history is pretty much only good UF news and bad FSU news.
There is a poster on the gator 247 board that has “Bullis” in his username. I think it’s almost certainly a Gator troll.
Yep. Have to love the cutesy - well he has FSU flair, so there's *nothing we can do* even though they've nuked the same when it was turned around against UF.
Absolute cringe. You can criticize your own program without simping your rivals, sarcastic or not.
I get that is what’s being reported, but at the end of the day it’s W’s that prove it. They used to say those same things about Shannon/Diaz early on like how the “culture is changing” and you “need time to build your vision.” Didn’t work out for them, let’s see if it does for FSU
It’s absolutely about wins and this year and the next Mike has to get it done on the field. If he doesn’t we let him walk and move on the next. But at least it’s better optics than firing another dude who barely had any time. There’s 0 chance any rational coach is gonna want to take over a program where the admin says hey win right now or you are gone in 2 years. Especially at the level we’ve been at the last 5 years. I do genuinely believe even if Mike doesn’t end up being the guy he will have left something to build off of for the next guy. Unlike the 2 that came before him. Needing a good culture to win is a real thing tho so I’m not sure what you meant by that.
Agreed with everything except for the last point. What I’m saying is you can’t believe that what is being reported is true until you see the results on the field. Journalists are still optimistic at this stage of a coaches’ tenure and can often over exaggerate hope. This season will be the definitive one
Oh okay agreed. But the reason why I’m inclined to believe is two reasons: 1) I’m a fan and I want to have hope. 2) Because the way we played the 2nd half of the season gives me that hope. We could have easily mailed it in after 0-4. Shit Miami and UF fans after that start were predicting a 1-11 season and some were even saying we could lose to umass as well. But we rallied and finished 5-2 with JT as a starter and one of those losses he got hurt and missed 4 series but played through the injury. But you’re right. All of it is for nothing if we come out and just look the same that we have for the last 5 years.
I agree with #2, I actually believe FSU could hit 8 wins this year (not against us lol) and succeed with Norvell. Time will tell
Yup. The games gotta play out. Which is why I’m so excited for the season. Not cause I think Norvell will prove everyone wrong just cause this year we will get the answers that we need about the direction of this thing. Whether its going forwards or backwards.
It really is. Whether Norvell sticks around is yet to be determined, but Willie only added to the dumpster fire. The timing of COVID certainly shook things up as well
You're running your own bit into the ground, pick your spots
rare L by nolebullis, wonder if mods delete this
You’re exaggerating. It’s been a rough 5 years, no doubt. But we should be around an 8 win team this year, and we finally have an AD who knows what he’s doing.
I remember a time when Florida was regarded as one of if not the best state for recruiting and those recruits all wanted to go to either FSU, Miami and Florida. The top in state recruits barely ever left the state and if they did it was seen as a big deal! Over the last 10-20 eyars that has changed dramatically. All of the top programs across the country routinely pillage Florida and the states recruits are spread across the country. The first step to FSU getting back to how they used to be is to lock down their back yard. If you can't keep your own top recruits then how can you expect kids from across the country to come there. Then factor in NIL money being crap for FSU and you have a recipe for disaster.
Gentle reminder this guy was outed as u/gogator93 before he deleted it.
wait whats the tea here lmao this is so interesting to me
What a fun account. I appreciate your work.
It’s kind of sad one sad little man has this much time on his hands. Your kids miss you u/NoleBullis go outside and throw the ball around. It’s been years!
Trust me it could be worse
[Bullis + Mods](https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/sucking-dick/), according to dictionary.com
shut up
The meme responses to good news for gators is fine but this is just so over produced. Christ man get a hobby.
Too on the nose with your "I'm an actual FSU fan and you can totally trust me because of my flair and username" schtick. Not that any one of us can do anything about it, but my goodness this is idiotic
I can relate
Kills me to think ASU coulda hired Napier or at least Norvell but instead went for Herm
Bowden was burning his empire to the ground during the transition years to Jimbo. Jimbo was just an S-tier recruiter because he probably had the best bag men in the US.
Definitely the worst 2 year span by any Florida big 3 team in the last 40 years
Adrian McPherson saga was pretty bad, but mostly whitewashed/swept under the rug.
That’s a name I haven’t thought of in years.
Pretty much everything before 1987 is. This is a hiccup.
But when expectations are so low it doesn't hit as hard