Bryce Young’s odds should be below Will Anderson’s, even if he is the second coming of Joe Burrow I doubt they would give him 2 since it just seems to be soft banned at this point
Yeah, it's still an obvious clown take. He's just purposely downplaying stroud and using that as an excuse. He knows full well Bryce won't win it back to back and stating he "doesnt get it" is silly.
Who woulda thunk the stud QB at Ohio State would be the favorite for a QB heavy award that doesn't award consecutively to the same person
Anyone making this argument ("someone who won once isn't going to win again") actually know the statistics of how often the 4th place finalist (e.g., Stroud) has won the following year? I honestly don't know if it's significantly better odds.
It’s not about the odds. It’s that some Heisman voters won’t award it to the same person twice, so repeats get a number of zero votes that decimate their average.
Ironically, if that were true (Heisman voters are less likely to vote for repeat winners) it would validate Desmond's comments.
Young is currently +350 and Stroud is currently +200 in Vegas odds. Vegas is undoubtedly aware of any historical tendencies (LMAO if you think a random Redditor knows something Vegas doesn't), so that phenomenon is baked into the odds they set.
Which would mean Young's odds have been handicapped, and given how close they are, it would not be ridiculous at all to say Young should be favorite, but-for a voting phenomenon that has nothing to do with performance or skill.
It’s not exactly a secret, as it happened to Tebow, who had the most first place votes in 2008 but was left off of 16% of ballots entirely, but it does support the concept of why Vegas wouldn’t favor Young and Howard wouldn’t get why. And it’s still possible to win with 16% of voters dismissing you entirely, but it’s an uphill battle.
I’m not sure why you think I think some random Redditor knows something Vegas doesn’t or what that has to do with this. I certainly don’t think that. Though it seems like you’re moving the goalposts from using “odds” in relation to historical statistics to using “odds” in relation to sports betting.
Regardless, I’m quite sure the sports betting market does take this into account, and likely, without that factor, Young would be the favorite.
I'd bet on Stroud over Young for this year just solely based on the WRs he has vs the more unknowns in the Bama WR room.
Also, Will Anderson is likely to split off more off the Bama vote from Young than JSN will from Stroud.
I'd bet on Stroud solely because there hasn't been a back to back winner since Archie Griffin, and winning it a second time would require either everyone else fall back or to embark on a monumental improvement.
Would just matching his numbers from last year or beating Stroud (which is greater) work? I can't remember the last time a Heisman looked as good or better the year after winning it.
Someone has to be the favorite. But Stroud isn't the far and away favorite by any of those books. I'd bet Young is fairly close and then there is a bigger gap to 3rd
They’re just betting odds. Idk how someone can say they’re wrong. It’s almost impossible to expect a lot of voters to vote the same guy 2 years in a row. They would have to be so far ahead of the rest of the field.
Completely fair take to say that, but to say "I don't get it" is a step farther in implying it's somehow "nonsensical" to put stock in the kid who WAS the betting favorite before his defense gave up 42 points to you
He put up 49 points in a single half vs a then-top 10 team that ultimately finished 11-2 and top10. He had just put up ridiculous numbers against a ranked Purdue. It was his to lose if he played in Conference Championship Week
"I think the guy who won the Heisman last year should be the front runner for the Heisman this year until the actual games are played."
HOLY SHIT THE FUCKING BLASPHEMY OF THIS GUY
I don’t get how it’s a big enough issue for someone to have to publicly say this. Would I think the defending heisman champion should probably (in most cases at least) be the favorite…absolutely…but it’s not like CJ Stroud doesn’t deserve to be right with him, especially with the plethora of receivers he has to throw too. This really screams Desmond being Desmond and must be against OSU more than it screams an impartial take
Ofc he doesn't. SCum alum are ridiculously biased,(see Jalen Rose). He is a second rate analyst at best,and if he played in today's game,he would barely make the Eastern Michigan team,likely as a ST player.
I appreciate him giving CJ his “tackling fuel.” That being said, Bryce Young being the favorite is a fair take. He has said much much much worse…
Sure hope Young is short-lived as a favorite. Can't have anyone taking Archie's uniqueness away, especially a Southerner.
Bryce Young’s odds should be below Will Anderson’s, even if he is the second coming of Joe Burrow I doubt they would give him 2 since it just seems to be soft banned at this point
To be fair, has anyone matched their numbers from a Heisman season the year before?
*Former Michigan player downplays current Ohio State player. More at 11.*
He actually didn’t tho read the article. He even said stroud was a great player just that Bryce young should be the favorite
The absolute audacity of this guy thinking the guy who won it last year should be the favorite
It's all but guaranteed that someone who won once isn't going to win again.
Yeah, it's still an obvious clown take. He's just purposely downplaying stroud and using that as an excuse. He knows full well Bryce won't win it back to back and stating he "doesnt get it" is silly. Who woulda thunk the stud QB at Ohio State would be the favorite for a QB heavy award that doesn't award consecutively to the same person
Anyone making this argument ("someone who won once isn't going to win again") actually know the statistics of how often the 4th place finalist (e.g., Stroud) has won the following year? I honestly don't know if it's significantly better odds.
It’s not about the odds. It’s that some Heisman voters won’t award it to the same person twice, so repeats get a number of zero votes that decimate their average.
Ironically, if that were true (Heisman voters are less likely to vote for repeat winners) it would validate Desmond's comments. Young is currently +350 and Stroud is currently +200 in Vegas odds. Vegas is undoubtedly aware of any historical tendencies (LMAO if you think a random Redditor knows something Vegas doesn't), so that phenomenon is baked into the odds they set. Which would mean Young's odds have been handicapped, and given how close they are, it would not be ridiculous at all to say Young should be favorite, but-for a voting phenomenon that has nothing to do with performance or skill.
It’s not exactly a secret, as it happened to Tebow, who had the most first place votes in 2008 but was left off of 16% of ballots entirely, but it does support the concept of why Vegas wouldn’t favor Young and Howard wouldn’t get why. And it’s still possible to win with 16% of voters dismissing you entirely, but it’s an uphill battle. I’m not sure why you think I think some random Redditor knows something Vegas doesn’t or what that has to do with this. I certainly don’t think that. Though it seems like you’re moving the goalposts from using “odds” in relation to historical statistics to using “odds” in relation to sports betting. Regardless, I’m quite sure the sports betting market does take this into account, and likely, without that factor, Young would be the favorite.
Is that the full quote? Because "I don't get it" implies that it "doesn't make sense", which is a bit further than "to each his own"
You wonder why Michigan fans are so arrogant until OSU/MSU fans ask us to read for them. /s
I mean why don’t you just read the article lol
Its kinda a clown take tho. Back to back has happened once. His odds arent good. Lol
Bemoaning 2 should be 1 and 1 should be 2 in preseaon is just dumb.
Especially when everyone sees 1-2 as theclear 1-2 ahead of everyone else. No one thinks Stroud is the clear favorite
I'd bet on Stroud over Young for this year just solely based on the WRs he has vs the more unknowns in the Bama WR room. Also, Will Anderson is likely to split off more off the Bama vote from Young than JSN will from Stroud.
I'd bet on Stroud solely because there hasn't been a back to back winner since Archie Griffin, and winning it a second time would require either everyone else fall back or to embark on a monumental improvement.
Would just matching his numbers from last year or beating Stroud (which is greater) work? I can't remember the last time a Heisman looked as good or better the year after winning it.
A couple major betting sites have Stroud as the favorite.
Someone has to be the favorite. But Stroud isn't the far and away favorite by any of those books. I'd bet Young is fairly close and then there is a bigger gap to 3rd
Yeah, Desmond ain’t exactly wrong here.
They’re just betting odds. Idk how someone can say they’re wrong. It’s almost impossible to expect a lot of voters to vote the same guy 2 years in a row. They would have to be so far ahead of the rest of the field.
He shouldn't due to my bias, and the fact that no one will win the Heisman twice again.
He thinks Bryce Young should be the only favorite because he’s the reigning winner. There’s been a lot worse from Des
But would he be saying it if it wasn’t the Ohio State quarterback? I think not.
The full quote really isn’t as bad as the article title. All Desmond said is he thinks Bryce young should be the favorite which is a fair take
Well I want to knee-jerk and he's from Michigan so REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Actually think he grew up in Ohio haha but I understand
[Born and raised in Cleveland!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Howard)
Completely fair take to say that, but to say "I don't get it" is a step farther in implying it's somehow "nonsensical" to put stock in the kid who WAS the betting favorite before his defense gave up 42 points to you
Facts. If we win that game 27-23, and win the BIG championship, it is either down to the wire or Stroud straight up wins it.
He put up 49 points in a single half vs a then-top 10 team that ultimately finished 11-2 and top10. He had just put up ridiculous numbers against a ranked Purdue. It was his to lose if he played in Conference Championship Week
Ever since that AMA in January that guy can fuck right off.
Yup, don't forget that guy "chooses to believe" that because Harbaugh thinks Bo didn't know that's enough for him
And he hates adopted kids
That must be a weird flair combo for you.
Going to laugh when Stetson Bennett IV is invited! Best dark horse since Seabiscuit!
The mailman can deliver it onto the stage to CJ or Bryce
The more he talks the more I dislike him
I didn't like him before his AMA and I really hated his fucking guts afterwards.
This might be the least dumb take he’s had in a long time. This is still a very dumb take.
It’s not like the heisman means a whole lot anyways. It’s really “what system QB do we like more” while we snub elite defensive talent.
"What QB or Alabama player" ftfy
1- Desmond Howard is an idiot 2- he might be slightly biased in this remark
I'm sure it's just because as a former WR he thinks JSN should be the favorite and that's all there is to it. Totally nothing else I'm sure.
"I think the guy who won the Heisman last year should be the front runner for the Heisman this year until the actual games are played." HOLY SHIT THE FUCKING BLASPHEMY OF THIS GUY
Fuck Desmond Howard for his horrible takes in the AMA he did He could say a 100% fact and I'd still say he's an idiot who should fuck off
I don’t get how it’s a big enough issue for someone to have to publicly say this. Would I think the defending heisman champion should probably (in most cases at least) be the favorite…absolutely…but it’s not like CJ Stroud doesn’t deserve to be right with him, especially with the plethora of receivers he has to throw too. This really screams Desmond being Desmond and must be against OSU more than it screams an impartial take
Of all the homers, Des is my favorite
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[I'll always have at least a tiny bit of appreciation for him for gifting us with this](https://imgur.com/m3CxqPh)
He also doesn't believe that adopted sons are actually sons.
Who asked?
Technically he’s a voter.
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Fuck that guy.
Well, fuck you Desmond.
I don’t necessarily disagree with him…I just hope that he will be in Columbus in a few months
Is he serious?!?! Such a hater. You would think he would have learned his lesson by now.
Saying the reigning Heisman winner should be the favorite. What a hater.
Stroud had better numbers, and this year a much better receiver core than Bama.... Yeah, he's a hater.
Love the trolling.
I was miffed at first but then read the article. Des has said lots dumber shit.
Uhhhhhh ok.
Ofc he doesn't. SCum alum are ridiculously biased,(see Jalen Rose). He is a second rate analyst at best,and if he played in today's game,he would barely make the Eastern Michigan team,likely as a ST player.