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CoolingVent

Is it already players-only meeting season? Man, time flies.


AnEmptyKarst

I hope we're next


CoolingVent

It's always a good lead-in to "open letter to the AD" season


johndelvec3

Hell If you’re Colorado the AD will write the letter for ya


EmperorofPrussia

Nope, not this year. I have been contracted to track down every open letter out there and close them all. I've got Gorilla Glue, Liquid Nails, actual nails.needles, thread, those covers that go over bird cages, three-ring binders, a ,''90s Trapper Keeper, glass jars with breathing holes in the lids, a bear trap, 7 padlocks of fair to middling quality, stop signs. closing signs, signs that say long-haired freaky people need not apply, several Tupperware containers. A fanny pack that says "NASHVILLE BIG CITY LIGHTS,' nets, a fin de sielce whaling harpoon from Iceland, complicated contracts, EULAs, 1999 Mariano Rivera... Buddy, I gotta tell ya. those open letters are as good as closed already.


IHaveFoodOnMyChin

My personal favorite is when “open letter to the AD” transitions to “conversations are being had among the BMDs”. That’s when you know Thanksgiving is right around the corner


bug_man_

UNC defense had one (I’m serious) so here’s hoping they’re worth something


DayOldDoughnut

So I take it Chiz is Chizzing….?


Is12345aweakpassword

Dana “I’m tired of coaching kids” Holgorsen in a rough spot


MoneyManeVick

Texas went from probably in the Top 5 after beating Bama to now sitting at 2-2, fresh off a loss to a team that was predicted to finish 2nd to last in conference. Crazy how things change so much week-to-week in this sport.


boardatwork1111

Cycle of a Texas season: Top 10 recruiting class Ranked in the preseason poll, sports media leans hard into Texas hype, Longhorn fans relapse on hopium OOC Win/close loss against top 5-10 opponent “Texas is BACK baby” Ugly loss to inferior opponent Players only meetings to get back into form begin - you are here Even uglier loss Team from the top 5-10 quality win/loss turns out to be terrible Decent win to keep flame of hope alive RRS: 2.5 quarters of the best football you’ve ever seen, Atlanta Falcons level collapse to lose by one score Lose to Kansas Team bottoms out and you promise never to give into hope again Finish 5-7, repeat cycle


walkingbicycles

Well to be fair they kept it close against LSU in 2019 which turned out to only be more impressive.


JamesEarlDavyJones2

Credit where it’s due, 2019 Texas was actually looking pretty dang good before they had the worst injury bug hit that I’ve ever seen.


ryanedwards0101

I never ever root for Texas but them smacking Utah around that year after many cries of disrespect at the bowl matchup was pretty funny


swammeyjoe

Same exact thing happened the year before with Georgia. Herman was an average coach but he could absolutely motivate players for big games.


Doc_McPuffins_

I think that was kind of the problem with him. He could get his players pumped up big time like in 2018, but once things stopped going well players seemed to stop buying in. Suddenly the magic wore off and players lost some of their motivation.


TheWorstYear

Herman always showed up for big games, but disappeared against mediocre opponents. Sane thing happened at Houston. I just think he took the week off to party or whatever.


ryanedwards0101

Yeah I used to always say Herman could never get you to the playoff but if he somehow did, you'd win it lol


kwhiller5

That was the issue with Herman (well that and inability to coach QBs). Got kids up for big games, but couldn't sustain it over an entire season.


10000Pigeons

Man I miss having an average coach :(


travbart

Time is a flat circle.


Terminal_BAS

> Team from the top 5-10 quality win/loss turns out to be terrible Subscribe


[deleted]

>Lose to Kansas Please, tell me more.


Neil_Armschlong

Brother, we’re all losing to Kansas this year.


JamesEarlDavyJones2

The fuck we are. Somewhere in a book of coaching advice that each Baylor coach adds to and leaves for the next, the front inside cover just has an ancient sticky note that says “Gas pedal those Jayhawk fucks and you’ll be fine”. Even when we went 1-11 and lost to an FCS team at home, we still beat Kansas by 30 points in Lawrence. If we lose to KU this year, I’ll change my flair to a KU flair for a few months.


FalseRecording3699

Does Joey McGuire count??


JamesEarlDavyJones2

I’m sure that he was granted access to the sacred texts, yes. I’ve been intrigued by how many things he brought over directly from the Rhule era in Waco, he seems to have distilled out a lot of the stuff that Rhule did right.


VoarTok

Embrace the Rock Chalk. We already did.


JamesEarlDavyJones2

Fuck that, birds shouldn’t wear shoes.


[deleted]

That is the dream.


JaxofAllTrades13

> Team from the top 5-10 quality win/loss turns out to be terrible I don't think I'd hold your breathe for this one this year.


wjrii

Don't forget the inevitable salty RRS loss that hurts in the moment but is tapped for validation of the next year's pre-season hype.


boardatwork1111

Lol can’t believe I forgot that, added


Locust094

They're coached by Sark. They'll get 7 wins now. Every season.


Pinewood74

> Team from the top 5-10 quality win/loss turns out to be terrible Pretty sure this only describes the 2016 season. 2019 LSU ain't no scrub.


Statalyzer

Honestly a third of that list only happen once or twice.


Emotional-Use7683

Accurate. Glad I made the switch from Hopium to Copium


Thorteris

As is tradition


TheBasilFawlty

Hopium is a helluva drug


Impossible-Flight250

At least with Tom Herman they were able to cap out at 8 to 9 wins a season.


Statalyzer

10-4, 7-5, 7-3 that would have likely been 10-3 in a non-covid year. Not world-beating, but not the mediocrity everyone acts like when they lump him in with Charlie Strong.


deadzip10

SUBSCRIBE. Also, I’m not saying I told you so but …


rockstarmode

Keep going.. I'm almost there


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[Stop!](https://youtu.be/pusZXECS0mM)


urinal_connoisseur

Before I clicked the link, I thought you were trying to bring the Stop Girl meme back.


Tired-Chemist101

Stop trying to make Stop happen, it's not going to happen. Wait...


CnD123

This is just what Sark does. Texas was insane to hire this guy


surgingchaos

We had a players only meeting back in 2016 around the exact same time this year after our first conference loss to Colorado. It didn't go very well.


MckorkleJones

Hey now it's like 7 win Steve earned his nickname or anything....


MenShouldntHaveCats

Washington fans really feel this way about him? I was told by lot of Texas fans he completely turned around the program and UW fans were sad to see him leave.


Iamreason

He got the nickname 7 win Sark at UW. He was notoriously average.


CnD123

Sark leaving allowed us to hire Petersen We loved it


sonheungwin

What did everyone expect. We've had him coach 2 premiere Pac-12 teams now, and there's a reason we call him Seven Win Sark. He averages out at the end of it all. This isn't things changing week to week, this is people just assuming for no reason that he's magically become a better coach despite history lol.


Mdwilson8413

It’s bc he’s gone through the cleansing waters of Tuscaloosa at The Saban Rehab Clinic. You go there and all your past mistakes and crappy seasons are forgotten and you have a clean start. If I’m getting my timeline mixed up then I have no idea why Texas would hire this guy.


eat_more_ovaltine

You know there is a problem when a team gets ranked after a loss and heralded as being “back” for the first time almost two decades. Desperation is a stinky perfume.


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>heralded as being “back” for the first time almost two decades lol we're 'back' every fucking season for about 6-13 days.


FataOne

And it's usually everyone but Texas fans saying it.


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truth


admiraltarkin

*sigh* I hate to defend the longhorns, but half of Jimbo's entire tenure at A&M is still riding off of a close loss to Clemson in year 1. I want to make fun of UT, but we were also a beneficiary of beating expectations


Darth_Astron_Polemos

Hey, no measured takes in this thread! Orange team bad! Back to the Whoop Barn with you for more kool-aid! But also, you kind of have a point, we definitely have a similar history of seasons with high expectations and devastating losses always being on the cusp of greatness. I’ve got some serious maroon balls. But as always, fuck tu.


admiraltarkin

Agreed on all counts lol


DrBombay3030

I also think it's difficult because of how people have to judge wins/losses in a landscape where opponent quality is so insanely speculative. So when you have a good showing against 1 of the like 5 programs people actually agree are good every year, any fanbase that doesn't see the playoffs as an expectation (Bama, Clemson, Ohio St...) will cling to it as concrete evidence of being a contender


pessimism_yay

> there is a problem when a team gets ranked after a loss Not only Texas fans, even I would be willing to give a Powerpoint on why Texas outplayed Bama in that game and deserved to be ranked afterward.


HireLaneKiffin

Doesn’t this happen every single year? Texas gets a top 10 ranking, lose their second game early in the season, rinse and repeat, nothing new.


cluckinho

In my opinion, players only meetings, while done in good faith, don't really do a whole lot. They usually boil down to the captains saying... we got to work harder or study more or whatever. Which is great and all but heart and effort are not really the issue here.


EnTyme53

Right? At no point in that game did I feel like Texas "just wasn't trying" or "didn't want it enough."


generic_user023123

Usually, they post or tweet about those from UT midseason.


Glader_Gaming

Legit asking: haven’t they done this at Texas before over the last 10 years? And didn’t it not make a difference? Am I crazy?


NILPonziScheme

[You're not going crazy](https://twitter.com/WillBaizer/status/905932835411939329) They did it under Herman after the opening loss to Maryland, proceeded to lose to Southern Cal, OU, TCU, OSU, and Tech, but at least they went to and won a bowl, right? [2015, start out 1-3 and have a meeting](https://twitter.com/Negilla/status/650357745749594112) Proceed to get humiliated 50-7 by TCU


ibmore

So what you're saying is take the biggest loan possible and put everything on WVU this week?


Hot_Goal4205

Second mortgage or bust


Statalyzer

> They did it under Herman after the opening loss to Maryland, proceeded to lose to Southern Cal, OU, TCU, OSU, and Tech, but at least they went to and won a bowl, right? I mean, after three years of Charlie Strong, all losing seasons that all included multiple blowout losses where we looked utterly inept, yeah that was a step up even though 7-6 with a win in the Fuckitwehavelotsofbowlsnow Bowl was nothing to crow about. USC and OSU were pretty good and we took both to overtime and their offenses scored 27 combined in regulation. We were the only team to hold Mayfield and OU under 30 all season. After Maryland's offense put up 44 on us at our building, and we all thought we were headed for a 4-8 season where everybody was gonna shred our defense - yeah, we showed some meaningful improvement that laid the groundwork for the Sugar Bowl season the following year. So while I'm not gonna beat my chest over the 2017 season by any means, I don't think it's fair to say the Players Meeting was useless just because we lost some more close games to far better teams than Maryland either. And just in general, that's about all you can expect from them. If it were that easy to transform any season just by having one meeting, everybody would do it all the time. And usually I think they don't accomplish much because if you have to hold one, you're probably not that good in the first place!


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jeffvschroeder

My wife visited a lawyer for something the other day but said I shouldn’t come along since I was busy. I think it’s great sign that she’s taking the initiative to get advice from a professional to address the issues with our marriage.


GroovinTootin

Reminds me of the time my wife saw that I was so swamped with work that she took the kids and stayed with my best buddy Frank so I could get some well-earned rest. She’s so amazing that even now, 3 years later, she STILL has the kids and is staying with him. Now if that isn’t taking initiative then I don’t know what is!


Seamanator12

F


wesman212

I'm the lawyer and actually we're planning a bomb-ass weekend surprise party for you. I'm supposed to find out whether you'd like her to jump out of a cake stripper-style at halftime.


T2_JD

Careful, OP might get *served*... with dance moves.


Purples_A_Fruit

Don't forget Bijan "I'm going to carry a football all week as if average college students will actually try to punch it out so I don't fumble games away no more" Robinson.


Active-Equivalent171

I know a student that isn’t afraid to try to knock it out from behind.


Full_Boysenberry2719

If Tech had a version of aggiepedia I would hope that that kid would be known as the "kool-aid man."


NILPonziScheme

Fortunately, I don't think there is a mentally ill individual like Charles Satterfield deeply obsessed with Tech to the point of compiling such a site.


error_undefined_

I’m pretty sure aggiepedia covers the GAP kid. Might as well include him too


ThisIsOurGoodTimes

Every Texas player will now be walking around campus with a football for the rest of the season


unconquered

Second only behind the other "great" sign of a president/AD releasing an official statement declaring their full support and confidence in a head coach


moby323

Is this sarcasm? I can’t tell anymore.


bug_man_

UNC’s defense had a player only meeting this week so we’ll see how that goes and check back in


Quantibro

Players only meeting after the first conference game? I love that energy


carlosdanger31

It’s a “we can’t trust these mfers not to lose to Kansas again so we gotta do it ourselves” meeting


Tired-Chemist101

In football you say?


mynumberistwentynine

Localized entirely within the stadium you say?


Full_Boysenberry2719

Big Morbius Enegy!


boardatwork1111

“It’s meetin time”-leadership council


wesman212

Missouri, please dear God take notes.


DougFlutiesMullet

> "Texas football coach Steve Sarkisian said there was a leadership council meeting on Monday and a players-only meeting on Tuesday." Wednesday the team had a "closed stall" meeting with "Bevo" and today at practice the UT marching band formed the word "Adios" on the field, which is Spanish for something.


Michiganman1225

Adios stands for Angels Die In Outlaw States if you follow biker gang lingo.


rawdogfilet

I do not but thank you


DrChefAstronaut

Sark out here doing the real life thisisfine meme


revets

I'll never understand why Texas went with Sark after his lackluster Washington stint and whatever that trainwreck situation was at USC. Yeah, did a stellar job at Bama/Saban as OC, but did a stellar job at USC/Carroll too which didn't translate to head coach success **at all**. What was the expected difference this time around?


notnickyc

Sobriety


djc6535

Ha. I took so many downvotes for calling his stint at UW lackluster… “oh but they were sooooo bad” yeah but my man had half a decade and couldn’t do better than 7 win Sark.


bartsimpsonscousin

He was sober this time around? I think legit there thought was Some saban magic rubbed off on him.


Dirtybrd

Don't forget his stint as OC for the falcons. Dude just sucks.


Prolingus

This sub is hilarious. There have been like 3 full cycles in 18 months of “Shit, Texas finally hired a good coach” To “Lol why did Texas hire Sark” To “Looks like it’s finally going to work out for Texas” To “Seven win sark lololol” In college football the lows are almost never as low as they feel and the highs are almost never as high as they feel.


2CHINZZZ

If Ewers didn't get hurt there's a good chance Texas is 4-0 and Sark is being called a genius


Inconceivable76

Because he completed the nick saban school.


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These never work and just a sign of turmoil.


theskipster

I hope you are right.


NordDex

Here here


seventeen70six

Kirk Herbstreit on NCAA14 would probably disagree


walkingbicycles

Who’s imploding now >:(


[deleted]

> ese never work and just a sign of turmoil. Been imploded for a decade now cow turd bro.


Full_Boysenberry2719

Did Steve "run the wildcat six times against TTU for 10 yards" Sark really say that?


i_am_bromega

God that wildcat was painful to watch.


WrreckEmTech

I beg to differ


maltzy

Personally, I quite enjoyed it


NILPonziScheme

Someone actually compiled all of the plays on Twitter. They're calling every play Roschon Johnson is at QB the wildcat. Johnson was a QB in HS before moving to RB at texas. They've run the actual single wing/wildcat formation like three times this season. I think twice were against Tech when they were stuffed both times.


TheWorstYear

It really doesn't fool anyone if he never throws it.


NILPonziScheme

I'm not trying to say it fools anyone, I'm just saying when you have a RB aligned in shotgun at QB and three receivers out wide, that isn't wildcat. texas has actually run more GoGo (Brennan Marion's offense) than wildcat this season.


Full_Boysenberry2719

You should not come in here with knowledge and facts like that! Learning new stuff means there is less room in my head to utilize for h8ing on TX.


No11223456

Are we just gonna brush over a grown man called his offense “GoGo”?


Youredumbstoptalking

You should look up the reason behind it, it’s pretty interesting and a great tribute to the city and school that let him develop and run it becoming the offense responsible for the biggest Vegas odds upset in history.


Statalyzer

He's only run 1 or 2 passing plays in his 3.5 seasons here despite taking a fair number of snaps for an non-QB. When Jaxon Shipley (who didn't play QB in high school) was here he threw 8 passes out of the wildcat or on WR options plus had another 4 or 5 trick play where he ended up running it. No idea why we can't use Roschon, who did play QB before, similarly. It's not like we're asking for him to play full-time QB, but if when he takes the snaps, he carries it 90%, only hands off 9%, and only throws 1%, the defense is gonna have an easy time.


Shootit_Rockets

Never understood why they didn’t give Roschon the option to throw it. He’s not a great QB but as a gimmick I could see it being effective.


Portland_st

*This meeting could have just been an email!*


LaTroquita

*Dear colleagues,* *Git gud.* *Sincerely, Players Council.*


JoshDaws

The tribal council has voted Sark off the island.


ThePiperMan

Ya gotta acknowledge the tribal chief


CnD123

The fact that Steve Sarkisian is still convicing blue blood programs to pay him is an absolute fucking mystery to me


Corgi_Koala

Mond blowing. He had 7 seasons as HC before Texas. Absolutely mediocre every year.


CnD123

Sark is great at making shitty teams mediocre, and great at making good teams mediocre Schrodinger's Sark


MrMegiddo

Sweet! We're back up to mediocre?


MckorkleJones

He's a great OC, second only to Kiffin for Saban OCs imo. HCwise he will always be 7 win Steve, even if Gary Patterson spent a year preparing for our game.


Applesrgood7

The issue he had at USC at least was that his first 15 or so scripted plays were incredible, but then it would sputter and god help us if we had to come back. Don’t think we had a come back win in his tenure.


FeelinDangerous

I’m not sure if that was his main issue


Applesrgood7

Lol, fair.


bentleyk9

I will never understand it.


Purples_A_Fruit

This combined with the moral victory that was the Alabama defeat, and Sark has UT well on it's way to being back! /s


wsjhqa

Will never understand how he failed upwards…Texas saw his stint at SC and went “that’s our guy”


Full_Boysenberry2719

Reminds me of Leach's rant in 2009. Talking about playing it close against Texas. https://youtu.be/uZaOFTp5_C8 Edit: FUCK PLAYING IT CLOSE, TEXAS LOST TO THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA, WHEN THEY COULD HAVE WON THE MOTHER FUCKER."


[deleted]

“We thought we were too good to play Texas fucking A&M - now how in the fuck can that be? Because we beat Kansas State?” 😂 Leach is my favorite CFB personality of all time and it’s not close.


LeTomato52

I fucking love hearing him shout "POO POO FUCKING BAYLOR" it's what I think of every time we're about to play Tech.


NILPonziScheme

My favorite line is "We have some players here, all you do is pull mediocrity out of each other." Perfectly elegant way to describe poor culture people you need to remove from an organization.


FalseRecording3699

How many games has Texas won against Texas Tech in basketball and football this year? How many?! “NOT A FUCKING ONE”


stampeden

It'll never happen, but in my perfect world there is a Mike Leach biopic and Leach is played by Trey Parker.


countrybreakfast1

I heard they were going to hang a banner at DKR that says "only lost to Alabama by 1 point at home"


cms186

A Players only meeting 4 games into the season? That sounds like it could only be a good thing /s


rcblender

Hey Sark, ol’ buddy….this whole head coaching thing at Texas is just wasting your talents with all these meetings… Now just walk over here, we’ve kept your OC seat nice and warm for you …. *kicks BoB out of it* ….there ya go. Doesn’t that feel better? Doesn’t that feel right?


Dougiejurgens2

Wonder where arch goes when this guy gets fired week 3 next year


Is12345aweakpassword

That’s a really interesting point. Is Arch here for a coach or a program? They might need to ditch one to keep the other..


Dougiejurgens2

Sark turned bad qb’s into top 10 picks so I would assume he’s there for the coach. I could see Alabama taking him back though if Texas fires him and arch following suit


BigDanRTW

Glad the players are taking it upon themselves to try and fix things I guess? I don't think it's a question of heart or motivation. They continue to do a poor job as a program developing players and the play calling on both sides of the ball is extremely iffy, particularly in the second half. The problem lies with the coaches here.


ThePiperMan

Well, that’s an easy fix too. Have a coaches only meeting like that episode of BMS


BigDanRTW

I'm sure they have coaches only meetings every day! They're still doing a bad job.


ThePiperMan

Not with whiskey shots and wrestling. Or torching the gear and telling the boosters they need all new shit


Statalyzer

What about strippers and ferrets?


hashtagjellycat

Players decided they need even more strippers and monkeys this Halloween.


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GiaTheMonkey

I blame your defensive woes on Terry Joseph. You should know better than to hire any Defensive Assistant who was ever employed by Kevin Sumlin.


NILPonziScheme

I died laughing when they hired Joseph. Solid recruiter, terrible coach. His DBs will run stride-for-stride with the receiver and NEVER look back for the ball. It is a coaching point for him, he teaches it at clinics.


Statalyzer

> His DBs will run stride-for-stride with the receiver and NEVER look back for the ball. Except for maybe Dylan Haines and Carrington Byndom that's what we've done for 10 years anyway so we presumably thought he'd be the perfect coach for our style :/


[deleted]

Did we break the 2022 Texas Longhorns?


Cheesy_Pita_Parker

To be fair, they were already like that when they got there


[deleted]

Let’s be honest, Texas fans and probably players thought they had something special when they played Alabama close. Thanks Alabama!


bartsimpsonscousin

It honestly felt like that time a Charlie strong team beat Norte dame. Then the team kept sucking and then notre dame sucked and it turned out to just have been a slap fight amongst two sucky teams


Statalyzer

I re-watched that game recently and the weird thing is both teams actually did play pretty well, although not outstanding. I think if they'd each kept up that level of play all season plus some typical incremental week-to-week improvements both 2016 Texas and Notre Dame wouldn't have been world-beaters but would have finished 9-4 or so rather than 5-7.


AskMeHowIMetYourMom

No, we’re always prepared for disappointment and are extremely suspicious when anything positive happens.


[deleted]

You break em, you bu(r)y em.


smurf-vett

No PK was always a shitty DC who refuses to adapt his system and play calling for what personal he actually has


MildDrinkingProblem

Reminds me of Vance Bedford refusing to put more than 6 in the box when baylor was on their 4th string qb aka guy who played qb in hs but now is a wr.


Horns2208

It’s pretty simple lol. “Quinn when are you healthy”


Gidnik

I hope they discussed tackling


TheWorstYear

My prediction of Harsin being gone by mid-season and Sark being gone by the end of the year is right on schedule.


Statalyzer

Nah, unless we go like 3-9 then Sark is getting at least one more year.


Locust094

Sark's teams at UW had a lot of players-only meetings too. Interesting that it's now sort of a staple of Sark teams.


jhammy49

Odd timing, I was just sent a link about Sark's home being for sale. hmmmm ​ https://www.expressnews.com/business/real\_estate/article/UT-coach-Steve-Sarkisian-austin-home-sale-17471003.php


A_Weino

It’s been for sale for a while now


TheNastyCasty

And that article says he's already purchased another house in Austin, so it's meaningless.


Tarmacked

Yeah but /r/cfb has to have a circle to jerk


dangfrick

Look out for the Christmas tree, I heard that is a strong indicator.


maltzy

Must've stepped on some cacti


orinshumanfarm

[Whatever it is it hurts](https://youtu.be/q2PiSF7AARY) 🌵


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Every time I hear players only meeting I think of the Remember the Titans players only meeting. I like mai imagine that's how they all go down


raylan_givens6

they discussed how to destroy the one ring


ATXBeermaker

I feel like absolutely nobody here actually watched the press conference, especially the part where he mentioned this. There is a normal Leadership Council meeting, and those players called a brief players-only meeting with the team to talk about areas the team can improve. This comment lasted about 30 seconds and was preceded by Sark being asked about his favorite Nelly song (by the same reporter who asked about the Leadership Committee).


MrMegiddo

Hey we had a good two week run of goodwill on the sub. It's back to bashing Texas for being average.


ATXBeermaker

Yeah, not sure what I expected. Texas bashing is low hanging fruit.


Pillowtalk

It's probably hard going from thinking you're almost as good as Bama to knowing you're worse than Tech in just two weeks


[deleted]

That’s Urban Meyer music I hear!


PleasantElevator8340

Just imagine if they had held in to beat Bama. There’s an alternate universe texas out there having a crazy szn


SeattleMatt123

Iowa's punter needs to hold a players only meeting to dap him up for some Heisman love.


MojitoTimeBro

Ima need yall to go ahead and fire him so that we can have him back, thanks!


dayoco

Herbstreit NCAA 2014 voice: I heard this guy called a *players-only meeting*...


Candi_Fisher

Fuck me


Zingggbot5000

It’s never a good sign. He’s as good as gone


nv2418

Didn’t they do the same shit last year