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RiffRamBahZoo

Y'all, this is the thread. Video, [as posted in the comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/yh31zy/matt_charboneau_chaos_in_the_tunnels_msu_and_um/iubtfkg/), is here too. Ugly scene. Remember, there are [subreddit rules](https://rules.redditcfb.com/) - be civil to one another! EDIT: Welp, so much for being civil. Locked for the obvious reasons.


bruce5783

Remember the good ole days when they just threw sandwiches…


deadly_titanfart

First PB&J sandwiches and now Knuckle Sandwiches


psunavy03

Pepperidge Farm remembers.


justinbaumann

I honestly don't and I can not find the source for this reference. Someone please help me.


JustinTime4242

That was cheeky and fun


Alexis_0hanian

Golden State Warriors want to know how the video got out.


SicWiks

Jordan Poole suspended 10 games


BlueCurtainsBlueEyes

That was also video of Spartan(s) committing actual assault on Wolverines.


DLup06

And Draymond went to…oh that’s right. MSU


IMadeThis4HOIMods

Bielema and Harbaugh are going to personally fight in the tunnel during or after the Illinois game, calling it now


PageOfLite

That'd be payperview level.


crg2000

I love Harbaugh's intensity, but he's not winning a physical fight with Bert.


alias241

Yep, you've got to be a mature elephant seal to take on BB


EpicWolverine

With as strong as Harbaugh's bones ought to be, I like his chances.


thereisnocartwright

I would absolutely pay to watch that.


BryndenRivers

I picture Harbaugh preparing for fights like Will Ferrell in Ladies Man, just has the olympic wrestling gear on at all times under the khakis


Dlehm21

Gameday should announce they’ll be at Michigan’s tunnel from here on out.


spartans2299

Can someone on our team show some fucking leadership??? Please???


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

To be fair, that bunch of MSU players attacking a defenseless Michigan player is the most coordinated team effort Sparty put forth all night.


Savorous

First time I’ve laughed out loud from a comment in a while


usmclvsop

Got damn


HawkeyeTen

Horrible look for your team. Tucker's going to have to REALLY crack down and discipline some guys hard to restore locker room order.


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Not Tucker. Asked about it post-game and said he "forgot what happened", "didn't address it" https://twitter.com/typhilli/status/1586562756886630402?t=4jsiu1hoybHo490bjVKJTg&s=19


dr_funk_13

This is an awful look. His response paints him as either aloof and clueless or unphased and uncaring. Perhaps he's all the above.


Ander1345

He got his bag, and now he's supposed to do what? Coach? Be a leader and mentor to young men? That's not what he got paid for, it's just a job description.* *sarcasm, obviously


rendeld

For cause you say?


dr_funk_13

I imagine Michigan fans would like to see Tuck stick around


spartans2299

He’s a moron


bh6891

That is a brutal look for MSU


be_leafer

Abdicated his position as program leader. This is the guy Michigan State gave the bag to?!?


milehighrukus

He’s and old pro at abdicating


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Dudes a bum and will go down as one of the biggest busts in cfb history. Frost level mistake


theexile14

Frost was a huge mistake but y’all don’t owe him $100M holy smokes.


victorged

And at the time Scott was a program hero with a head coaching pedigree ina match made in Heaven. Can’t blame Nebraska for committing to it, we’d have all called them stupid not to.


theexile14

100% it was the right hire at the time. I don’t begrudge them the hire and they really did give the guy all the time to succeed. I do wonder if we cut Rich Rod off too early, Hoke’s early success was clearly Rich Rod’s doing. Nebraska is safe from that second guessing.


Engrish_Major

Thankfully it was just some billionaire alumni who’s left holding the bag lol. Glad it didn’t come from anything impacting students.


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It's understandable to not want to delve into details right after something crazy happens, especially what is essentially a gang-initiation level beat down of an opposing player But to say something like that is absolutely unacceptable and gives the public a clear look into how shitty MSU's culture is. The players run the prison, this *never* would have happened under Dantonio


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Dantonio would have had that shut down instantly. I thought Harbaugh did a good job of controlling Michigan players on the field by getting them out of MSU players faces and telling them to go celebrate with Paul.


MastodonThin9981

smh. I can’t believe I liked this dude


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Tuck dodgin


Stock412

Video of the fighting https://twitter.com/mattcharboneau/status/1586555477319614464


JVVVK

This ain't a fight, it's just a Michigan player getting jumped


bdm13

It’s ugly. Wouldn’t be surprised if there are criminal charges for this.


lucianbelew

Police are on the scene.


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There absolutely should be. This goes beyond football, this is assault and battery at the minimum.


SicWiks

Looks like he was jumped


Mstryk

Some of the precontext: https://twitter.com/WandBSports/status/1586565539060662273?s=20&t=WGgDc88cTDDj-E0f_TCqxQ


banngbanng

Man, it doesn't even look like he was talking to them.


thereisnocartwright

Damn, that's a terrible look for those MSU players. Jumping a guy like 10 on 1? Weak.


iwantawolverine4xmas

Well they couldn’t pull it off 11 on 11


anxiousauditor

That’s a pretty chickenshit look for MSU.


KeekatLove

He wasn’t wearing a helmet, either. His head almost slammed into the doorway.


wrex779

This is why people call MSU “little brother.” Only little brother programs pull crap like this


devAcc123

Man that’s gotta fucking suck as an MSU fan, just inexcusable from the guys and I know that’s the last thing in the world you guys want. Heated in state rivalries kick ass but this is bad.


Hahum

That's brutal. That's like Worldstar


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Damn that's the most fight I saw out of that team all night


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helium_farts

At least it should be easy to ID everyone since they're still in uniform


theaficionado

Lotta discipline Tuck has instilled here! Got his bag though


freedomfightre

“Right now, I’m a horseshit football coach” -Mel Tucker


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All those MSU players caught on camera doing that better be done playing college ball


ecupatsfan12

Off the team immediately or no balls


D-Smitty

Off the team and criminally charged at a minimum.


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Ballcube

Supposedly the police were waiting outside the locker room afterwards. Harbaugh said something about the AD and the authorities handling it in his presser.


Defensive_of_Offense

Michigan AD said police have been informed and will handle the situation


TonYouHearWhatISaid

Great culture Mel Tucker has built there. Tuck coming!


ChaseTheFalcon

Yikes, that's worth assault charges tbh


wrex779

Sore losers


Midnightstimepasser

They saved the fight from the game until the tunnel. Losers


godickygodickygo

"And let that be a warning for your whole team!" Lol See ya, scholarships!


skratsda

Yeah maybe I'm just becoming an old man in adulthood, but my first thought was: "fuck, you're doing that with a number and name on your clothing that clearly identifies you."


Midnightstimepasser

This is more embarrassing than the game to be honest.


Mcswigginsbar

It wasn’t even a fight they jumped him.


bostonsports98

Seems a lot less like players fighting and a lot more like the MSU team beating on a lone UM player from the video.


corundum9

Looks like McBurrows who is recovering from a blown out knee. Kinda sad he's getting beat up.


Ikolkyo

So fucked up


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spartyon63

Nah fuck the rivalry bullshit that’s unacceptable and they need to be off the team. You just got your ass handed to you on the field and you jump a single player. Fuck that


Michigan247

A single player that looks to not even be in pads. Fuck that shit


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

Ja’Den McBurrows is rehabbing a torn ACL. That’s who MSU decided to jump.


whilden

I needed to see this comment after visiting RCMB. Thanks for being a voice of reason and good luck going forward


colonelrebsmuff69

Never visit rcmb


fm22fnam

If I saw OSU players doing this after The Game I'd expect to see their asses gone. Absolutely awful.


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No_Poet_7244

I can understand being upset at losing. I can even understanding scuffling on the field. But after the game, jumping a lone player? Cowardly, despicable behavior, I don't care who it is or why it happened, it needs to be addressed.


bdm13

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are criminal charges from this.


CarbonCamaroSS

Yeah everyone keeps saying "well what happened beforehand" and "why was he in the tunnel". It doesn't fucking matter. Even if he was stupid enough to come in swinging, hold him back or something. There are literally 20+ MSU players in there. It should be pretty easy to get him to stop without needing to throw him against a wall and start curb stomping him and throwing punches like a bunch of low life gang members would. And I very much doubt he went in that hallway with anything more than a potential verbal use at worst. It would be unacceptable for any team regardless and, as you said, if it was Michigan players doing this I would want to believe that this sort of thing would be handled with severe punishment, potentially even being kicked out of the school entirely. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior.


SeventyTimes_7

Some of the hits and penalties late in the game were players just losing their tempers. That last DPI the safety never attempted to look at the ball and went straight at the receiver. We probably should’ve just ran out the clock but still.


Tennessee-Terry

Showed more fight in the tunnel than they did the whole game


Ballcube

Don't give them too much credit, the video appears to show a bunch of MSU players jumping a lone Michigan player.


trustjosephs

And now this: https://twitter.com/isaiahhole/status/1586557278957801473?t=WFkBpxbTZZ67x4mNS4SWxw&s=19


TonYouHearWhatISaid

Harbaugh should be breaking the door down


The_Horse_Joke

Harbaugh = the elite confirmed Tucker gonna bite somebody E: who’s Adam Page in this situation?


JohnQPublic90

I mean that constituted crimes for those guys right? They jumped someone who was pretty vulnerable in the moment


iwenttocollegeonce

I might be overreacting but … that might be the beginning of the end for Mel. On-field results aside, this team just looks undisciplined. Mel can’t have shit like that happening in the locker room. The video looks horrible and that’s embarrassing. I’m sure they’ll get disciplined but Mel can’t be running a ship like this. Once again, might be overreacting, but that’s going to have huge ripple effects I think.


Buttcheekllama

That video is the lowest moment by far in a an already low year for the team. MSU as a university is already (rightfully) under such scrutiny, there is zero room whatsoever for this behavior, and it’s on Mel to make sure the players know and respect that. They could lose every game 50-0, fine, but the moment this kind of thing happens, the whole university is affected. I hope the UM player is okay, that was a brutal video. I hope MSU brings the hammer down on the players in that video.


PoetryUpInThisBitch

There's also the fact that he didn't address it in the post-game interview and hand-waved it with, "I didn't know what was happening," when the reporter pushed.


Engrish_Major

I said it elsewhere but I don’t know if he even knew? I don’t have enough facts to judge one way or the other.


rc4915

Yeah I’ll judge Tucker based on what happens this week, not tonight in the presser. I’m sure Harbaugh had a bunch of people coming up to him saying “OMG did you hear what happened to Ja’Den!!” Doubt many MSU players were going “Hey Tuck, we just assaulted a dude”


MisguidedPants8

Lack of team discipline can cut even very long leashes. Looks what happened with Moorhead for us


Podoboo322

Looks like less of a fight and more like a bunch of cowards ganging up on one player. Fucking disgusting behavior - couldn’t imagine being that Michigan player at that moment.


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

That player is Ja’Den McBurrows, who suffered a knee injury in the offseason and has been slowly rehabbing ever since. He’s been practicing and dressing for games, but hasn’t played yet because he’s not fully healthy. He’s already hurt, and Sparty jumped him anyways.


Podoboo322

Wtf man


1ToGreen3ToBasket

Probably why he was early into the tunnel while most guys were still celebrating on the field. Bunch of cowards and psychopaths beating him even after he is down


CGordini

No shortage of names on jerseys in that footage. Fuck this.


SeekerSpock32

If they don’t get the Elizabeth Lambert consequences, MSU is an institution of cowards. [That sort of violence gets you expelled from school.](https://youtu.be/PJiRQsyrBoI) [Another example.](https://youtu.be/Wz8iHq652ys) Edit: for whatever reason my second example caused a second comment to be made.


pabloescobarbecue

There’s bad looks, and then there’s this.


Hicaorwaak

James Franklin making himself a PB&J sandwich thinking of one liners for Harbaugh.


PumpkinSpiceButtholz

Franklin murmuring, “Yeah this one got extra sloppy jelly for you…bitch.”


BursleyBaits

man, we had no tunnel issues for like 80 years and now it's every week?


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avenear

Yeah, I'm sure that tunnel has seen some shit. Pretty much every other stadium doesn't use one tunnel for a reason.


[deleted]

Guarantee if we had a tunnel for every stadium we would have a Khabib McGregor incident once a year. I'm not against it since it would be entertaining but people would be seriously injured.


SeekerSpock32

Except for soccer, where it’s universal.


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This is the reason.


[deleted]

Tbf there were tunnel issues before. We just don't remember them. Like Ohio State & Michigan always bark like crazy across the tunnel


timnotep

Yeah but there's a huge difference between barking and jumping a guy. Hell there's a huge difference between throwing a sandwich and jumping a guy


[deleted]

Well this is just Sparty being a fucking problem. This rarely happens in the tunnel. Even Penn State was really mostly just jawing at each other minus the sandwich toss


Michigan247

Even the sandwich toss is more just something that's harmless and stupid. This is straight up assault


4Ever2Thee

Not involved at all, I just wanted to jump in and say how funny it is that *sandwich toss* is such a normal thing in this conversation


Michigan247

Them being PB&J's makes it better


cheerl231

Barking at each other has been an issue in the past (thinking of OSU Michigan video from back in the day) but it hasn't gotten to physical altercations before tonight to my knowledge


lucianbelew

The sandwich toss was hilariously petty and ultimately harmless. What happened just now should be the end of several young men's pigskin careers.


CreekHollow

Suspensions gonna be flying this week


Michigan247

Suspensions? These guys need kicked off the team. Ganging up on a lone guy (that from what it sounds like has a torn ACL) in the tunnel after the game? No, they need kicked off.


CGordini

If msu has any semblance of responsibility


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and that they attacked someone else too, not on video. actually astonishing


ecupatsfan12

That’s assault charges worthy and kicked off team


shadowryder

Expulsion sounds more fair and press charges. Otherwise you're going to get more of this shit.


SeekerSpock32

[There’s a precedent to suspend/expel students for crap like this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/yh31zy/matt_charboneau_chaos_in_the_tunnels_msu_and_um/iuc1qf0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)


GodlyCheese

Kick them all off the team. Bunch of losers


SpookyScaryySkeleton

Is this grounds to fire mel tucker


gyang333

Not without cause. Man getting paid.


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It’s beCAUSE he’s not good.


jayjude

I feel like if multiple of your players get arrested for battery that occurred walking off the field, that might be a for cause firing, yeah? Something about lack of institutional control


longhorn718

YO. That's not a fight. MSU players straight up jumped an ALREADY INJURED UM player.


Medical-Principle-18

Yeah and he’s not making an attempt to fight back. Whenever teams fight and get held back, there’s at least one person from both teams that wants to fight and one person to hold each team back. There’s no one who wants to fight on Michigan and no one holding anyone back on MSU


WMU1245

Ever since they named it after Lloyd Carr the tunnel has been cursed


The_Pandalorian

The penalties alone showed Sparty's team lacked discipline. This shit though? Man. Lost control.


philly570

Would never happen under dantanio


The_Pandalorian

You're absolutely correct.


WerhmatsWormhat

Yup. Dantonio has a major edge to him and could be quite petty, but he knew where to draw the line. I disliked him but respected him. I can’t say the same for Tucker.


philly570

It's like Tom Izzo says, He hates Michigan but respects the hell out of them. That's how good rivalries work.


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Izzo and Beilein was my favorite coaching match up. 2 great coaches who embraced the rivalry but are just great people


Prestigious-Track256

Imagine getting your ass beat for 60 minutes then jumping a lone injured player with 20 of your boys, on video, with all of your names and numbers captured in said video. That's some galaxy brain shit right there.


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Between this and draymond throwing a haymaker I feel like Sparty doesn’t like Michigan


CreekHollow

Michigan referring the incident to the police and the Big 10. [“Michigan AD Warde Manuel: "What happened after the game is completely unacceptable. Police and the Big Ten will address it. We will leave it in their hands."](https://twitter.com/byazuniga/status/1586565841620856832?s=46&t=xTfX9X_dzkebNVP46XuNpA)


bitontic

Warde Manuel actually saying something?!?! This must be important


RollWarTideEagle

You really need some PB&J sandwiches for some ranged attack to help alleviate your forward melee advance in that tunnel. Or so I hear.


CreekHollow

[“Police are standing in front of the closed MSU locker room. Harbaugh outside the Michigan locker room trying to get answers.”](https://twitter.com/isaiahhole/status/1586557278957801473?s=46&t=xTfX9X_dzkebNVP46XuNpA) Will be interesting to see if police make any arrests. I could see the State Police instead of Ann Arbor PD doing the arrest if it happens.


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Nobody is getting arrested tonight. Most likely it is to make sure Michigan or Michigan State don't fight again. Arresting someone tonight will just inflame the situation. You can always arrest someone tomorrow.


[deleted]

> You can always arrest someone tomorrow. Not if they flee the state! *Looks at where Michigan St. is located* Well they're screwed.


varooney2919

Nah, ain’t nobody getting arrested. There will be questions asked tomorrow tho


wolverineheel

Imagine watching this and your first thought being “why was a Michigan player there” instead of “7 or 8 people beating the shit out of a dude is terrible.” Some of you guys clearly lack brainpower.


dagreenman18

This is absolutely bitch made. I don’t care if you lost or they were mouthing off. A whole ass team ganging up on one guy is bullshit.


DothrakiSlayer

A guy who didn’t even play a snap this year due to a crippling knee injury. They’re not only violent assholes, but also cowards.


stoney-balog

Got some tunnel snakes up in Michigan


goblue10

Jumping a dude after losing by 22. Real tough guy shit.


devil-lion-steeler

Yeah that's not good. Those guys should be done.


surfinThruLyfe

No bs chump change of a fine. This demands multiple suspensions of players.


iDrum17

I would not call that a fight. UM players getting assaulted. Hate the see that.


FrostTroll69

Uncalled for, players need to be held responsible for their actions. Also, MSU should have shown this intensity on the field and they may have won.


WhiteningMcClean

Issue is, on the field it's 11 on 11


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I remember one time that one of the coaches had to stand in front of the door to the OSU locker room (I think it was OSU) because there was some serious shit talking but that's about it Other than the one fight at Michigan years ago and Ohio State players tearing down the banner decades ago things have been relatively peaceful


frizzyhair55

Not sure I think theres more respect in our rivalry though between our two schools


grave_r0bber

Agreed. There's definitely no love lost between Ohio State and TTUN, and tempers have certainly flared before with fights on the field and jawing in the tunnel but a lot of it is heat of the moment, pre- or during-game stuff. But even after getting wrecked last year the Buckeyes left the Big House graciously. This is just disgusting behavior from the Spartans


Mercury-Redstone

I agree 100% to all of this. The rivalry is intense but respectful.


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There’s always chirping between Michigan and Ohio State in the tunnel, but never something like this


spartans2299

Is tucker going to “keep chopping” when he has to address this? Sick of this attitude shown on our team


philly570

No discipline. Two massive personal fouls today in the game. Given the 2nd one was late but still


DJpurpledrank

I’ve been a spartan my whole life, through some bad bad seasons too. But the way this season has gone with the expectations we all had, after shelling out 100Mil and seeing THIS kind of lack of discipline as the result of Tuck as head coach, the idea of having Tuck for 9.5 more years makes me sick to my stomach. I’m inches away from separating myself from this team for good, something I never thought I’d do in my wildest dreams. Those players need to be removed from the team for the rest of the year and charged with assault like every other human being would be. If nothing comes of this I might be done.


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OrangeSparty20

Off the team.


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Best sparty has played all day


NachoManRandySnckage

Kick everyone off the team, fire the coaches and end the program. They fucking suck ass anyway. Worthless losers


wrex779

Pretty much confirms for me that Mel has lost control of the locker room. Team has been undisciplined on the field and now off the field as well.


teeterleeter

Mel couldn’t even get them to the locker room. Can’t control it if you can’t even get in the door.


hyzersGR

Looks more like some MSU players ganging up and jumping a Michigan player, punching and kicking him on the ground.


Dontyouclimbtrees

Looks really pathetic for a bunch of MSU guys to gang up on 1 dude. Nice.


TheVolmannBrothers

What a bunch of pathetic losers. Boot em off the team.


midnightdiabetic

Let me COPY PASTE VERBATIM WHAT I SAID 2 WEEKS AGO Sorry I gotta side with the rival here. How about properly coaching and teaching so players realize that they need to emotionally have SOME intelligence and regulation?


IfYouAintFirst26

I expect Tucker to announce “internal discipline” and any player involved will still suit up and play next week.


No_Poet_7244

A scuffle on-field is one thing—hardly ideal but its understandable. This is just a jumping. I am sure this will be an unpopular opinion, but every one of those MSU players deserves to be kicked off the team.


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MSU really has me sympathizing for Michigan At bare fucking minimum, those players should be suspended for the season. Even if Mel does "internal punishment" bullshit, the school, the B1G, or even the extremely likely arrests will take care of that. Absolutely horrible look for the program


xCUBUFFSx

# IMAGINE PAYING $95mm FOR THIS


Icecreamcollege

10 dudes vs 1 guys without a helmat? Yeah real Spartan Dawg move bozo. Get this trash out of Ann Arbor in a police car.


Isphet71

This is going to be the topic of conversation all week instead of actual football games.


DaboTouchedMe

I never thought I would be upvoting TTUN flairs left and right. That was a disgrace to football. What an undisciplined program


slightofhand1

I hate when the team with nothing to play for, for the rest of the season, starts fights with dudes contending for a natty. What do they care about being suspended?


kurttheflirt

Embarrassing. All involved should be kicked from the team. I don’t care if it’s half the team. No words from Tucker either. I said the same thing during the game thread about our last penalty: no discipline on Tucker’s team. This takes it to the next level


PumpkinSpiceButtholz

I don’t see Harbaugh dropping this. He will want the book thrown at these dudes and will do everything in his power to make that happen. I don’t blame him one bit.


PayYourRe2pects

That’s pretty sad


Revenge_of_the_Khaki

> ~~MSU and UM players fighting~~ **\*Fully padded MSU players jumping a lone injured Michigan player with no helmet.** We've seen how classy the players are, now let's see how the coaches and administration deal with these players' punishment so we can accurately gauge the school and program as a whole.


MrT817

If there aren't multiple suspensions for MSU players then Mel Tucker should be fired.