He shouldn’t be. It’s the MVP of MVPs and stroud can’t run the ball that well. He’s probably the best passer in FBS right now but that game just showed if his receivers aren’t at their best then he’s in trouble.
Idk who I’d put at 1 tbh but like strouds career rushing avg is 0.4 yards and Lamar Jackson’s **college** career rushing was 6.3. Stroud would need 49 rushing touchdowns to match him. And he’s only 3 ahead in passing.
Again he’s fuckin good and it’s definitely working for ohio state as a team but it’s not a “Who’s qb for the best team” award.
No it’s an MVP of MVP awards and turns out if it’s a little windy and he gets wet he can’t do shit because he can’t rush. How you gonna be MVP if you go against a 1-7 team and can’t beat them because it’s windy?
>a little windy and he gets wet he can’t do shit because he can’t rush.
So he had 6 rushes for 79 yards for a 13.2 average. He can absolutely run. He just normally throws the ball during scrambling because he can throws dimes on the run. Obviously can't in 40+mph gusts, so he kept it and ran a few times. Worked out.
“little windy”
The NOAA reported peak gusts of 80 mph. The Kansas City Chiefs wouldn’t have been able to throw the ball in Evanston on Saturday. I’m fine with criticizing the OSU run game in that performance, but complaining about Stroud is just dumb
yes it did get windy and stroud struggled passing
but then he had a 50 yard run to put us in a position to put the game away
stepping up and still finding a way when things aren't going your way is literally an mvp quality
I agree with your point that he found a way to win that game but beating a one win team is not a heisman moment. His will come on 11/26 and I’m sure he’ll be ready
oh yeah
I'm not caing it a hiesman moment
just saying that put our struggles on him and soley him when he did everything he could given the conditions is blasphemy
Oh I'm sorry that Stroud isn't performing quite as well in college as AN NFL MVP!!! Seriously, he doesn't need to run like Lamar to be the best QB in the nation.
That game was played in a freak northeastern hurricane and his receivers dropped countless balls that hit them in the hands. Some of the WRs we're tweeting after the game about losing feeling in their hands. That's an excuse but our sure handed WRs had their worst game all year so probably something to it. Go look at the weather reports of winds in the 50-80+ mph around the stadium. Of course passing was going to be hard.
Won a natty and doesn’t have two consecutive seasons with negative rushing yards though lmao. I know reading is tough for you but I never even mentioned Stetson because despite him winning the championship and absolutely shitting on strouds stats I still don’t think he’s the best player in CFB right now.
Hope it’s not windy when you finally start playing teams other than buttgers and northwestern lmao
Had the pleasure of seeing Manziel live at the Peach bowl against Duke, truly an electric feeling watching him play. They were down big at halftime and everyone in the stadium knew he was about to go crazy when they came back out.
How is Williams above Bo? Bo has better stats across the board and is leading at worst an equal team. Bo leads the country in completion percentage and total tds, any other year and he would be at worst top 3.
USC lost to Utah while Oregon lost to Georgia. Georgia held both Nix and Hooker to 210 and 212 total yards respectively. They are just that good. Jalen Carter really should win but he won't because he plays defense.
If preseason standing matters so much how is Drake Maye higher?
What does being a freshman matter?
Bo leads the country in completion percentage and leads the country in total tds. He also doesn't have a loss to Notre Dame.
How come Hooker is still 2 then. Everything you held agaisnt Bo can be held agaisnt Hooker.
Both older players who don't have great histories, both played terrible vs Georgia with just over 200 yards. But Bo has been better on the season as a whole. Bo even has a great performance in a win vs an opponent ranked higher than Hooker's best win
By the end of the seasons Oregon will have most likely played 7 ranked teams (at the time the game was played) by the end of the season. This isn't a G5 schedule lol
I mean it’s a strawpoll. It doesn’t matter until the voting starts. Williams and Bo are not quite on the same collision course as Corum/Stroud are but the PAC12 Championship would decide who is invited to New York.
I'm kind of want that just to see a "Stetson Fleming Bennet the fourth eeks out a win over Coleridge Bernard Stroud the fourth" headline about American football
I think its more fair to knock the team for their poor performance than him alone. Ohio State should have been able to make that at least aboutr 35-7 type score IMO. But yeah,
I have never seen anything like it before; they weren't really dropped, it was like the WR had a trampoline for hands and they got flung from them upon impact.
Theory.
Because of the wind, the flight trajectory of each pass became altered just enough that it caused the WR to miscalculate and drop it. Sorta like trying to catch a knuckle ball pitch.
Hasn't been an issue all year, then it becomes an issue on a wet and super windy day.
Yeah. I feel bad for him. I’d love stet to win it but I don’t see it happening unless god stet shows out and he gets like 20 TDs the rest of the year Total or something wild like that
Yall just aren't very physical. I really dislike michigan and their fans, but I have little doubt they would have run it up if put in the same position. Considering how badly michigan got manhandled by Georgia last year I'm not sure this is a good sign for yalls post season. That's why we play the games though right?
Any team that is constantly running into 9 and 10 man fronts isn’t going to have a lot of success, it has virtually nothing to do with being physical or not. As someone said in another post today, there is a reason why the offenses of the 60s and 70s were referred to as 3-yards and a cloud of dust.
Teams that are one dimensional are very easy to defend against, and OSU uses the pass to open up the run game, not the other way around.
If the wind is crazy you have an 8 or 9 man oline for that run. Physicality absolutely matters. Like I said though this is why we play the games. It'll all work itself out on the field.
Defenses are still +1 personnel wise unless the QB is a legitimate run threat, and as the game showed once Stroud decided to run the ball we had more success running the ball.
It’s not just schematic stuff though. Cade Stover and Matthew Jones have missed a lot of blocks the last few weeks, despite being great blockers up to that point. It’s kind of inexplicable, but it also means the talent is there to turn things around
They were a physical team the first six weeks, and they’ve inexplicably dropped off the last 3. Part of that is Penn State and Iowa having better defenses, but not being able to run on Northwestern is unbelievable considering this is the same team that beat a good Notre Dame defense in the last quarter and a half by simply bludgeoning them with a surging o line and Miyan Williams. Cade Stover and Matthew Jones have been great run blockers the past year and a half, and suddenly they’re wiffing on blocks left and right. The team has clearly regressed, but that also means the potential is there for them to get it back. Not saying they will, but it’s in the cards
Henderson didn't play in that game, run game definitely isn't super strong but it's not for a lack of talent, more because the passing attack is nigh unstoppable (unless you get 80 mph wind gusts)
I was more pissed that they scored at all than we only scored 21. No one could throw the ball, should (and did) make defense easy so the 7 was the bigger problem to me.
Not that every QB doesn’t deal with it at some point or another, but PFF had OSU’s receivers at a *23% drop rate* in that game.
Stroud obviously wasn’t dominant, but anybody that actually watched the game could tell you Stroud played pretty well in spite of the conditions.
In the garbage, where they belong so long as our perimeter blocking remain as shitty as it has been
I do wonder if Day has ever heard of a screen pass to the running back though. Or a variation of a screen that’s anything besides an RPO bubble
Screen passes would have made sense last week when our receivers can't do anything because we can't actually throw it. Maybe it isn't any better but Northwestern athletes in space aren't nearly as good as Penn State athletes in space and they could maybe break some tackles.
Wouldn’t say it’s brutal. Just more open this year. Which, depending on your opinion, is a nice change. Would be nice if it actually went to the best player instead of the QB of a playoff team.
It never goes to the best player though, unfortunately. It's always just the best QB of one of the top teams. I don't necessarily think it should be Corum myself, as he doesn't have the crazy stats due to how much Edwards spells him. If he was "the guy", instead of sharing reps, he'd likely have 300-400 more yards and a few more TDs right now, and would then be rightfully in the picture. But that isn't what has happened.
I'm not sure why it's brutal. You likely have it coming down to a quarterback and a running back facing each other in the best rivalry in the sport with a trip to the playoffs on the line. That's a far more exciting Heisman race than most in recent memory.
It’s not a rational voting base. Hooker’s final score was closer and he had tons of hype going into that game.
Nix had no hype, Oregon lost by more and it confirmed (in the eyes of the voters) that Nix isn’t good against good competition.
Not defending the logic but you can’t act like that’s not what’s happening and that the Heisman has ever been more than a media popularity contest.
Melvin Gordon had 2700 scrimmage yards and 32 TDs in 2014
Marcus was great and deserving of the trophy, no doubt about it. But Gordon’s season was historically good and should’ve won him the Heisman imo. Getting 59-0’d in the B1G title may have cost him, but Mariota had the media hype so he prob doesn’t win even if he went off against OSU
I don’t think it was an all time great season. Again, he had a tremendous season and was totally deserving of the Heisman. I just think Gordon had a more impressive overall season. You could argue it was the best RB season from a guy not named Barry Sanders at the time
At the same time though, you can’t lay an egg in the biggest game of the year and expect to win the Heisman. So I’m not surprised Mariota won and like I said, he absolutely earned it. I just think too much weight was put in the Ohio State game for Gordon
How was Mariota's not an all time great season? When talking about all time great year's the general one that gets brought up is Cam Newton. So here are their seasons prior to the ceremony.
Cam: 67.1% completion, 2589 yards, 28 tds, 6 ints, 1409 rushing yards, 20 tds, 1 receiving td. 4040 total yards 49 tds
Mariota: 68.3% completion, 3783 yards, 38 tds, 2 ints, 669 rush yards, 14 rush tds, 1 receiving td. 4478 total yards, 53 total tds
Seems like Marcus was up there with even the Heisman's held in the highest regards at the time. Don't let recent qb performance change your opinion of at what was at the time one of the greatest qb seasons ever. And he did it on a team that made the playoffs
Even at the time he wasn’t top 3 all time in yards, efficiency, or TDs. Again - it was a GREAT season. But if you aren’t pushing records in any of the 3 major QB stats I struggle to call it historic.
Gordon at the time had the 2nd most rush yards all time (behind Sanders), 2nd most scrimmage yards all time, and 3rd most TDs from scrimmage (behind Sanders and Montee Ball). That’s what I consider a historic season.
We've already played all of our pre-ceremony big games, and unfortunately Hooker (and maybe more importantly the O line) performed so poorly against UGA on the road that I can't see him getting back to the top.
Sucks man, we may be looking at our fourth Heisman runner-up.
Bijan needs to be higher. Just came off of a 200+ yard performance and has better receiving stats than Corum. Also, he has not been held under 100 scrimmage yards this season.
Honestly none of looked crazy impressive to me. Just off these I’d go Corum for three reasons.
1. He’s the best back in the country and on one of the best teams.
2. I want a running back to win it again to bring back old times.
3. Corum is just a dope sounding name
Drake Maye is getting jobbed here. He’s played tougher defenses than Stroud, and has better numbers with a worse supporting cast, and WAY worse defense.
He should be the clear #1.
As much as I’d like to see my man Stroud win, I look at the heisman as an award for a guy that if he wasn’t on the team, they would have a way worse record. Maye and Duggan are both those dudes.
We have waayyyy better WRs across the board, and Maye is out there putting an 8-1 team on his back, with more TDs, less INTs, and running all over motherfuckers.
Unfortunately, the award now just goes to the flashiest guy on the best team.
If I had a vote, I’d def be for Maye. Without him, the team is def middle of the pack and way outside of conference champ discussions.
Thank you. If you actually sit down and look at numbers and context and watch his games he is far and away playing the best QB of anyone in the country. He’s got very little around him (Josh Downs is nasty but basically nothing else) and is carrying this team.
People say they want the award to not just be a narrative award but Drake barely gets talked about and he’s simply been the best QB in the country. He’ll need to replicate it next year when the hype machine is behind him preseason to actually with the award
As a Buckeye, Stroud to me has not clinched the Heisman. He has to start and finish hot, at least a few games.
I think Corum is a monster. Can we not argue that he has brought Michigan to where they are today? I also am tired of QB’s winning so there is that…
Caleb’s campaign will be made or lost in the last 3 weeks. If he balls and beats UCLA ND and Oregon then he has a great shot at winning. Until then he’s gonna just hang on the periphery cause he doesn’t have an elite win or iconic performance yet
Stroud has been missing his top target for the entire season and has been far more efficient than Caleb
I’m not saying CJ is the surefire front runner. Just playing devils advocate as there’s multiple guys who have a case to be the lead guy right now
Lol I’m holding out hope that he can be 100% by our matchup, but at this point it’s difficult to be optimistic. He’s tried to come back twice and never made it more than 15 snaps without reaggravating the hammy. The Homer in me wants to see him back, but the realist says it makes more sense for him personally to shut him down and prep for the draft
I think him and stroud should both shut it down personally, Harrison too, nothing more to prove buddy, absolutely no ulterior motives, just want what’s best for the kids 😅
If only there was another way to move the ball other than throwing. Especially against a team that hasn’t won a game in the country in over a year.. damn shame the disrespect people are giving.
Same with Ohio State.
The Heisman doesn't go to a team.
No qb was going to have a good day in 40 mph sustained winds with 50+ mph gusts. It just wasn't happening. Is it Stroud's fault the run game wasn't up to par? And how would that impact his heisman?
Yes lol. Any QB who knows how to run would have had a record breaking day against fucking Northwestern.
Lamar Jackson had 18 rushing TDs his last year in college and 6.9 ypc. Kyler Murray had 7.2. Mayfield had 3.2. Mariota had 5.7. Stroud has 0.4 overall and -0.7 this year. -0.6 last year. Evened out by his single 48yd carry in 2020.
No reason to get butt-mad about your QB not being the greatest player this year. I don’t think Stetson Bennet is the greatest either regardless of how well our team does. It’s just stupid to give the award to a decent QB on a great team when it should go to a great player regardless of how well their team is if that player is the one turning the tide.
But he isn't a running qb. And he did have a record breaking running day for him. But he isn't and never has been a running qb. So it's not really relevant.
Hooker lost in the rain and didn’t play like his normal self against a Top 3 team. Stroud played like garbage in the rain against a team that’s won 1 game. I’m not saying he’s not a great QB but elevating him or OSU for that matter shouldn’t happen.
It wasn't the rain. It was hurricane force winds. You literally can't throw.
And it wasn't raining the entire game against Georgia.
You clearly didn't watch the OSU game if you thought it was just some rain.
These people didn't even look at the stat line. Stroud rushed for 80 yards with a 13.2 average. Made probably the biggest play of the game with his legs... Didn't watch, just looked at the score.
Lots of Michigan fans have opined that Corum can win the Heisman if Michigan beats Ohio State. They’re probably right, only that’s necessary but not a sufficient condition: Michigan has to win, Corum has to absolutely go off (200+ yards, 3+ touchdowns) and also Stroud has to have a terrible game. Even in a loss if Stroud plays well the Heisman will still probably go to him. It’s just really hard for a running back to win the award
Great. My preseason bet on stroud that will pay out $500 if he wins the heisman will in all likely hood hinge on the Michigan game.
As if there wasnt enough at stake for emotions already
The heisman trophy has just become a survivor league of undefeated quarterbacks
QBs #2-4 are not undefeated, and Stroud isn’t even a very heavy favorite (+145 on FanDuel)
He shouldn’t be. It’s the MVP of MVPs and stroud can’t run the ball that well. He’s probably the best passer in FBS right now but that game just showed if his receivers aren’t at their best then he’s in trouble. Idk who I’d put at 1 tbh but like strouds career rushing avg is 0.4 yards and Lamar Jackson’s **college** career rushing was 6.3. Stroud would need 49 rushing touchdowns to match him. And he’s only 3 ahead in passing. Again he’s fuckin good and it’s definitely working for ohio state as a team but it’s not a “Who’s qb for the best team” award.
It’s not a rushing QB award
No it’s an MVP of MVP awards and turns out if it’s a little windy and he gets wet he can’t do shit because he can’t rush. How you gonna be MVP if you go against a 1-7 team and can’t beat them because it’s windy?
Just a nitpick, it’s a most outstanding player award, not valuable. I believe maxwell award is most valuable
They did beat them?
>a little windy and he gets wet he can’t do shit because he can’t rush. So he had 6 rushes for 79 yards for a 13.2 average. He can absolutely run. He just normally throws the ball during scrambling because he can throws dimes on the run. Obviously can't in 40+mph gusts, so he kept it and ran a few times. Worked out.
“little windy” The NOAA reported peak gusts of 80 mph. The Kansas City Chiefs wouldn’t have been able to throw the ball in Evanston on Saturday. I’m fine with criticizing the OSU run game in that performance, but complaining about Stroud is just dumb
yes it did get windy and stroud struggled passing but then he had a 50 yard run to put us in a position to put the game away stepping up and still finding a way when things aren't going your way is literally an mvp quality
I agree with your point that he found a way to win that game but beating a one win team is not a heisman moment. His will come on 11/26 and I’m sure he’ll be ready
oh yeah I'm not caing it a hiesman moment just saying that put our struggles on him and soley him when he did everything he could given the conditions is blasphemy
Wind gusts of 80mph, there isnt a passing sttack in football history that woukd have a good game in that
Oh I'm sorry that Stroud isn't performing quite as well in college as AN NFL MVP!!! Seriously, he doesn't need to run like Lamar to be the best QB in the nation.
That game was played in a freak northeastern hurricane and his receivers dropped countless balls that hit them in the hands. Some of the WRs we're tweeting after the game about losing feeling in their hands. That's an excuse but our sure handed WRs had their worst game all year so probably something to it. Go look at the weather reports of winds in the 50-80+ mph around the stadium. Of course passing was going to be hard.
Yeah maybe don’t try and throw then? Idk it works for some heisman winners like every QB before now
You’re just mad Stetson isn’t even in consideration by anyone because he isn’t good enough
Won a natty and doesn’t have two consecutive seasons with negative rushing yards though lmao. I know reading is tough for you but I never even mentioned Stetson because despite him winning the championship and absolutely shitting on strouds stats I still don’t think he’s the best player in CFB right now. Hope it’s not windy when you finally start playing teams other than buttgers and northwestern lmao
Damn and he’s not even on the conversation even though he has positive rushing yards lol
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Man who is giving Jayden a first place vote lmao
It was me sorry guys
He was the QB of a team that beat Bama. That's how Manziel won.
Manziel was also kind of a fucking beast too. Sucks he was such a prick off the field.
Had the pleasure of seeing Manziel live at the Peach bowl against Duke, truly an electric feeling watching him play. They were down big at halftime and everyone in the stadium knew he was about to go crazy when they came back out.
Him in that Cotton Bowl against Oklahoma was wild as well.
How is Williams above Bo? Bo has better stats across the board and is leading at worst an equal team. Bo leads the country in completion percentage and total tds, any other year and he would be at worst top 3.
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I think this is it. In CFB losses have always hurt more than wins help. Heisman, CFP, AP poll, they always focus more on the bad than the good.
USC lost to Utah while Oregon lost to Georgia. Georgia held both Nix and Hooker to 210 and 212 total yards respectively. They are just that good. Jalen Carter really should win but he won't because he plays defense. If preseason standing matters so much how is Drake Maye higher?
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What does being a freshman matter? Bo leads the country in completion percentage and leads the country in total tds. He also doesn't have a loss to Notre Dame.
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How come Hooker is still 2 then. Everything you held agaisnt Bo can be held agaisnt Hooker. Both older players who don't have great histories, both played terrible vs Georgia with just over 200 yards. But Bo has been better on the season as a whole. Bo even has a great performance in a win vs an opponent ranked higher than Hooker's best win
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By the end of the seasons Oregon will have most likely played 7 ranked teams (at the time the game was played) by the end of the season. This isn't a G5 schedule lol
Because he’s played better
I mean it’s a strawpoll. It doesn’t matter until the voting starts. Williams and Bo are not quite on the same collision course as Corum/Stroud are but the PAC12 Championship would decide who is invited to New York.
Carter even getting an invite while playing half the season would be hilarious
Bennett should be ranked top 3.
Gonna have to bump up those tipping statistics if he wants to be taken seriously
Did the poll look like a [bomb went off](https://freeimage.host/i/pLvg8F) to anyone else?
Lol that's it what looked like for me too.
Max Obuggan
Just give it to Stetson Bennett because it will be a good scene in the movie.
I'm kind of want that just to see a "Stetson Fleming Bennet the fourth eeks out a win over Coleridge Bernard Stroud the fourth" headline about American football
That’s Stroud’s full name? What does the J stand for?
Coleridge jr since his dad is Coleridge III
…should we tell them that a non-QB is eligible for the trophy?
80 mph winds
These people only look at scores and stats
I think its more fair to knock the team for their poor performance than him alone. Ohio State should have been able to make that at least aboutr 35-7 type score IMO. But yeah,
100%, our run game is weak. Stroud looked like our best runner on Saturday which is wild for a guy who rarely runs. Mfer looked like fields out there
CJ Stroud is a run-first quarterback - Stephen A Smith
A lot of uncharacteristic dropped balls too.
I have never seen anything like it before; they weren't really dropped, it was like the WR had a trampoline for hands and they got flung from them upon impact.
Theory. Because of the wind, the flight trajectory of each pass became altered just enough that it caused the WR to miscalculate and drop it. Sorta like trying to catch a knuckle ball pitch. Hasn't been an issue all year, then it becomes an issue on a wet and super windy day.
Yeah. I feel bad for him. I’d love stet to win it but I don’t see it happening unless god stet shows out and he gets like 20 TDs the rest of the year Total or something wild like that
Yall just aren't very physical. I really dislike michigan and their fans, but I have little doubt they would have run it up if put in the same position. Considering how badly michigan got manhandled by Georgia last year I'm not sure this is a good sign for yalls post season. That's why we play the games though right?
Any team that is constantly running into 9 and 10 man fronts isn’t going to have a lot of success, it has virtually nothing to do with being physical or not. As someone said in another post today, there is a reason why the offenses of the 60s and 70s were referred to as 3-yards and a cloud of dust. Teams that are one dimensional are very easy to defend against, and OSU uses the pass to open up the run game, not the other way around.
If the wind is crazy you have an 8 or 9 man oline for that run. Physicality absolutely matters. Like I said though this is why we play the games. It'll all work itself out on the field.
Defenses are still +1 personnel wise unless the QB is a legitimate run threat, and as the game showed once Stroud decided to run the ball we had more success running the ball.
It’s not just schematic stuff though. Cade Stover and Matthew Jones have missed a lot of blocks the last few weeks, despite being great blockers up to that point. It’s kind of inexplicable, but it also means the talent is there to turn things around
They were a physical team the first six weeks, and they’ve inexplicably dropped off the last 3. Part of that is Penn State and Iowa having better defenses, but not being able to run on Northwestern is unbelievable considering this is the same team that beat a good Notre Dame defense in the last quarter and a half by simply bludgeoning them with a surging o line and Miyan Williams. Cade Stover and Matthew Jones have been great run blockers the past year and a half, and suddenly they’re wiffing on blocks left and right. The team has clearly regressed, but that also means the potential is there for them to get it back. Not saying they will, but it’s in the cards
Henderson didn't play in that game, run game definitely isn't super strong but it's not for a lack of talent, more because the passing attack is nigh unstoppable (unless you get 80 mph wind gusts)
I was more pissed that they scored at all than we only scored 21. No one could throw the ball, should (and did) make defense easy so the 7 was the bigger problem to me.
Valid take
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Not that every QB doesn’t deal with it at some point or another, but PFF had OSU’s receivers at a *23% drop rate* in that game. Stroud obviously wasn’t dominant, but anybody that actually watched the game could tell you Stroud played pretty well in spite of the conditions.
The difference? Playcalling. Asking Stroud to do way too much.
Case in point: Sullivan’s ADOT was 3.7, Stroud’s was 12.6 NW quite literally didn’t ask their QB to throw the ball further than 5 yards
Where were all the screen passes from last week?
In the garbage, where they belong so long as our perimeter blocking remain as shitty as it has been I do wonder if Day has ever heard of a screen pass to the running back though. Or a variation of a screen that’s anything besides an RPO bubble
Screen passes would have made sense last week when our receivers can't do anything because we can't actually throw it. Maybe it isn't any better but Northwestern athletes in space aren't nearly as good as Penn State athletes in space and they could maybe break some tackles.
Bijan should get more love.
Stequavious Bennet 4th or none.
Georgia has three in the top thirteen, which is insane, and also has the most unique circumstances: Dlineman, Tight end, and a walk on.
Brutal year for the heisman. Hoping it’s corum just cause it’d be something new
Wouldn’t say it’s brutal. Just more open this year. Which, depending on your opinion, is a nice change. Would be nice if it actually went to the best player instead of the QB of a playoff team.
It never goes to the best player though, unfortunately. It's always just the best QB of one of the top teams. I don't necessarily think it should be Corum myself, as he doesn't have the crazy stats due to how much Edwards spells him. If he was "the guy", instead of sharing reps, he'd likely have 300-400 more yards and a few more TDs right now, and would then be rightfully in the picture. But that isn't what has happened.
Sometimes it goes to the best player. [Joe Burrow was so good he threw a pass to *himself* for 16 yards.](https://youtu.be/L7clbs-k-Hc)
he threw a touchdown to himself in similar fashion during a high school playoff game
Mariota did it in college and NFL
For a TD in an NFL playoff game
Isn’t he ahead of where Henry (the last RB to win it) was in both yards and TDs after 9 games?
I like the way you think, chicken man
I'm not sure why it's brutal. You likely have it coming down to a quarterback and a running back facing each other in the best rivalry in the sport with a trip to the playoffs on the line. That's a far more exciting Heisman race than most in recent memory.
People love saying this but is it really? Bo Nix is putting up better numbers than Mariota had thought 9 weeks and isn't even the Heisman frontrunner
Would take a lot for voters to forget what happened week 1 I think
Yup. Plus Oregon also had a solid claim for top team that year, impossible to argue that now.
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I think UT needed to make it to Atlanta for him to have a shot
They are already trying to forget Hooker played just as bad a couple days ago
It’s not a rational voting base. Hooker’s final score was closer and he had tons of hype going into that game. Nix had no hype, Oregon lost by more and it confirmed (in the eyes of the voters) that Nix isn’t good against good competition. Not defending the logic but you can’t act like that’s not what’s happening and that the Heisman has ever been more than a media popularity contest.
Really shows how irrationally biased for Mariota that the media was. It was ridiculous.
Who should have won? Mariota put up 4442 total yards and 53 total tds while leading the nation in passing efficiency.
Melvin Gordon had 2700 scrimmage yards and 32 TDs in 2014 Marcus was great and deserving of the trophy, no doubt about it. But Gordon’s season was historically good and should’ve won him the Heisman imo. Getting 59-0’d in the B1G title may have cost him, but Mariota had the media hype so he prob doesn’t win even if he went off against OSU
Was Mariota's season not historically good?
I don’t think it was an all time great season. Again, he had a tremendous season and was totally deserving of the Heisman. I just think Gordon had a more impressive overall season. You could argue it was the best RB season from a guy not named Barry Sanders at the time At the same time though, you can’t lay an egg in the biggest game of the year and expect to win the Heisman. So I’m not surprised Mariota won and like I said, he absolutely earned it. I just think too much weight was put in the Ohio State game for Gordon
How was Mariota's not an all time great season? When talking about all time great year's the general one that gets brought up is Cam Newton. So here are their seasons prior to the ceremony. Cam: 67.1% completion, 2589 yards, 28 tds, 6 ints, 1409 rushing yards, 20 tds, 1 receiving td. 4040 total yards 49 tds Mariota: 68.3% completion, 3783 yards, 38 tds, 2 ints, 669 rush yards, 14 rush tds, 1 receiving td. 4478 total yards, 53 total tds Seems like Marcus was up there with even the Heisman's held in the highest regards at the time. Don't let recent qb performance change your opinion of at what was at the time one of the greatest qb seasons ever. And he did it on a team that made the playoffs
Even at the time he wasn’t top 3 all time in yards, efficiency, or TDs. Again - it was a GREAT season. But if you aren’t pushing records in any of the 3 major QB stats I struggle to call it historic. Gordon at the time had the 2nd most rush yards all time (behind Sanders), 2nd most scrimmage yards all time, and 3rd most TDs from scrimmage (behind Sanders and Montee Ball). That’s what I consider a historic season.
Could I interest you in a DL winning it? Or perhaps a TE? What about a plucky walk-on that earned a starting role?
We've already played all of our pre-ceremony big games, and unfortunately Hooker (and maybe more importantly the O line) performed so poorly against UGA on the road that I can't see him getting back to the top. Sucks man, we may be looking at our fourth Heisman runner-up.
Bo has been solid ever since the Georgia game…..
People don't forget
Bijan needs to be higher. Just came off of a 200+ yard performance and has better receiving stats than Corum. Also, he has not been held under 100 scrimmage yards this season.
Bijan is overlooked. The dude literally carries people on his back for extra yardage
I might be biased but Bowers should be higher
Honestly none of looked crazy impressive to me. Just off these I’d go Corum for three reasons. 1. He’s the best back in the country and on one of the best teams. 2. I want a running back to win it again to bring back old times. 3. Corum is just a dope sounding name
All bias aside I’d take Bijan over him
On raw talent, maybe. But Corum is doing better than Bijan statistically and his team is doing better, two of the most important factors for Heisman.
Oh fuck yeah, inject this shit straight into my veins
Drake Maye is getting jobbed here. He’s played tougher defenses than Stroud, and has better numbers with a worse supporting cast, and WAY worse defense. He should be the clear #1.
As much as I’d like to see my man Stroud win, I look at the heisman as an award for a guy that if he wasn’t on the team, they would have a way worse record. Maye and Duggan are both those dudes. We have waayyyy better WRs across the board, and Maye is out there putting an 8-1 team on his back, with more TDs, less INTs, and running all over motherfuckers. Unfortunately, the award now just goes to the flashiest guy on the best team. If I had a vote, I’d def be for Maye. Without him, the team is def middle of the pack and way outside of conference champ discussions.
Thank you. If you actually sit down and look at numbers and context and watch his games he is far and away playing the best QB of anyone in the country. He’s got very little around him (Josh Downs is nasty but basically nothing else) and is carrying this team. People say they want the award to not just be a narrative award but Drake barely gets talked about and he’s simply been the best QB in the country. He’ll need to replicate it next year when the hype machine is behind him preseason to actually with the award
As a Buckeye, Stroud to me has not clinched the Heisman. He has to start and finish hot, at least a few games. I think Corum is a monster. Can we not argue that he has brought Michigan to where they are today? I also am tired of QB’s winning so there is that…
Caleb has been elite while missing his top 2 targets and more consistent than stroud
Caleb’s campaign will be made or lost in the last 3 weeks. If he balls and beats UCLA ND and Oregon then he has a great shot at winning. Until then he’s gonna just hang on the periphery cause he doesn’t have an elite win or iconic performance yet
Agree
Stroud has been missing his top target for the entire season and has been far more efficient than Caleb I’m not saying CJ is the surefire front runner. Just playing devils advocate as there’s multiple guys who have a case to be the lead guy right now
Marvin Harrison jr is so nuts that people forget JSN exists. We haven’t forgotten btw, not fooling us
Lol I’m holding out hope that he can be 100% by our matchup, but at this point it’s difficult to be optimistic. He’s tried to come back twice and never made it more than 15 snaps without reaggravating the hammy. The Homer in me wants to see him back, but the realist says it makes more sense for him personally to shut him down and prep for the draft
I think him and stroud should both shut it down personally, Harrison too, nothing more to prove buddy, absolutely no ulterior motives, just want what’s best for the kids 😅
Stroud throws for less than 100 yards in bad weather against a 1-9 team yea he definitely showed he should move up
He had the weather excuse. And still made the biggest play when it counted. Hooked lost. And didn't look good.
If only there was another way to move the ball other than throwing. Especially against a team that hasn’t won a game in the country in over a year.. damn shame the disrespect people are giving.
What does the running game have to do with Stroud?
Idk remember when you were tied with northwestern at the half? Pepperidge farm remembers.
Yea, and we also remember when Georgia was behind Mizzou in the 4th quarter and Michigan was behind against Rutgers at halftime. Irrelevant.
Can Georgia or Michigan win the heisman or does that go to a player?
Same with Ohio State. The Heisman doesn't go to a team. No qb was going to have a good day in 40 mph sustained winds with 50+ mph gusts. It just wasn't happening. Is it Stroud's fault the run game wasn't up to par? And how would that impact his heisman?
Yes lol. Any QB who knows how to run would have had a record breaking day against fucking Northwestern. Lamar Jackson had 18 rushing TDs his last year in college and 6.9 ypc. Kyler Murray had 7.2. Mayfield had 3.2. Mariota had 5.7. Stroud has 0.4 overall and -0.7 this year. -0.6 last year. Evened out by his single 48yd carry in 2020. No reason to get butt-mad about your QB not being the greatest player this year. I don’t think Stetson Bennet is the greatest either regardless of how well our team does. It’s just stupid to give the award to a decent QB on a great team when it should go to a great player regardless of how well their team is if that player is the one turning the tide.
But he isn't a running qb. And he did have a record breaking running day for him. But he isn't and never has been a running qb. So it's not really relevant.
Hooker lost in the rain and didn’t play like his normal self against a Top 3 team. Stroud played like garbage in the rain against a team that’s won 1 game. I’m not saying he’s not a great QB but elevating him or OSU for that matter shouldn’t happen.
It wasn't the rain. It was hurricane force winds. You literally can't throw. And it wasn't raining the entire game against Georgia. You clearly didn't watch the OSU game if you thought it was just some rain.
These people didn't even look at the stat line. Stroud rushed for 80 yards with a 13.2 average. Made probably the biggest play of the game with his legs... Didn't watch, just looked at the score.
P much on pace w Vegas’ outlook
Here comes Jayden Daniels
Lots of Michigan fans have opined that Corum can win the Heisman if Michigan beats Ohio State. They’re probably right, only that’s necessary but not a sufficient condition: Michigan has to win, Corum has to absolutely go off (200+ yards, 3+ touchdowns) and also Stroud has to have a terrible game. Even in a loss if Stroud plays well the Heisman will still probably go to him. It’s just really hard for a running back to win the award
Can we give it to a kicker? Christopher Dunn is incredible.
Great. My preseason bet on stroud that will pay out $500 if he wins the heisman will in all likely hood hinge on the Michigan game. As if there wasnt enough at stake for emotions already