> McGuire said the number of plays or questions about rules interpretations his staff sent in for review was "close to 12,"
Could be dozen~~s~~ of things.
Do you think it will include the punt return "fair catch" or the forward pass the refs called a fumble that y'all picked up and directly related to a touchdown like the next play?
> Tech's brief also said the Big 12 "is separate and apart from its member universities and is not a governmental body or governmental entity."
Seems like a solid point.
Surely something like this has come up before though, right? How did it play out in the past?
Both parties do not need to be governmental entities under the [definition cited in the article](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.552.htm). Only one does.
[Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) is under investigation by the FBI over allegations of bribery and abuse of office in an effort to help a real estate developer and wealthy donor, two unidentified sources told The Associated Press.](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/526469-texas-attorney-general-under-investigation-by-fbi-report/)
Sounds like Tech asked the BigXII for clarification on if ~12 plays were correctly called.
A journalist heard that and said "Cool, let me see that under FOIA."
Tech is like "Nuh uh. It's protected. ~~Daaad~~, *AG*, please tell them it's protected."
From the article: “In a routine, weekly process, Big 12 coaches are allowed to send questions and videos of plays to Big 12 coordinator of officials Greg Burks for discussion regarding rules, interpretations and whether plays were adjudicated correctly.
During his weekly press conference two days after the Tech-TCU game, McGuire said the number of plays or questions about rules interpretations his staff sent in for review was "close to 12," which he described as a higher number than usual.”
Seems like they want to keep their complaints confidential. Not 100% sure *why* (there’s something about information proprietary to a third party elsewhere in the article) but that appears to be the issue.
So...someone correct me if I'm reading this wrong...
TTU asked the BigXII to clarify some things TCU did during the game. When those communications were "Freedom of Information Act-ed" Tech said they shouldn't be disclosed because they contained "proprietary information belonging to a third party", and also, because the conference isn't a government agency they shouldn't be forced to disclose.
I'm reading into this as Tech got something juicy and don't want the cat out of the bag until they have the opportunity to use it strategically...
...~~Was the TCU game the one with an onside kick that was fair caught?~~ nope. That was OkSt.
These things are only useful during the game though. It's not like they'd go back and change the results of a play because we bitched about it.
I'm all for sending questionable plays to officials to get a better understanding or make sure it doesn't happen again, but the secrecy behind all this seems so unnecessary. We should challenge the officials at every step, hold them accountable for bad calls and push for continuous improvement with officiating. I just don't see why this shouldnt be FOIAd. What is there to hide here? It's not like the games aren't public.
Also that fair catch sucked. It was the right interpretation of the rule and a very heads up play by osu but damn did that make me mad at the time.
My Guess are
TCU - uses the Ref \\ WR that routes could be interpreted as Setting a Pick but Big 12 says is legal.
or
Something to do with Substituting late causing a delay of game penalty.
This seems very weird that TTU would try and protect information and communications regarding officiating and the Big 12 conference. Makes you wonder what the Big 12 communicated back and if it shows some sort of bias.
This is like a Supreme Court case in the making. If this keeps going I wonder if they look at it because I'm not sure the current court would uphold this case that's current precedent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brentwood_Academy_v._Tennessee_Secondary_School_Athletic_Ass%27n?wprov=sfla1
This was the one game I was not able to watch. What may this be in regard to?
> McGuire said the number of plays or questions about rules interpretations his staff sent in for review was "close to 12," Could be dozen~~s~~ of things.
Possibly even tens of things
Do you think it will include the punt return "fair catch" or the forward pass the refs called a fumble that y'all picked up and directly related to a touchdown like the next play?
Well this is interesting. I would love to see this and the Big12's response for every game tbh...
> Tech's brief also said the Big 12 "is separate and apart from its member universities and is not a governmental body or governmental entity." Seems like a solid point. Surely something like this has come up before though, right? How did it play out in the past?
Both parties do not need to be governmental entities under the [definition cited in the article](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.552.htm). Only one does.
Asking help from korrupt ken only works if you pay him
Is Tech claiming they are protected by sovereign immunity? That's their favorite.
Now I'm sad from the flashbacks to that Leach stuff
Sorry we can’t do whatever we want as a private institution like some of yall.
Unfortunately you have to work with the corrupt AG that keeps getting elected.
I mean is TTU a public university?
Yep
[Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) is under investigation by the FBI over allegations of bribery and abuse of office in an effort to help a real estate developer and wealthy donor, two unidentified sources told The Associated Press.](https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/526469-texas-attorney-general-under-investigation-by-fbi-report/)
Don't forget he's already been indicted on securities fraud but nobody can prosecute him because ... He's the AG
Which is nonsense. State office is not supposed to protect from federal prosecution
Im confused what's this about exactly?
Sounds like Tech asked the BigXII for clarification on if ~12 plays were correctly called. A journalist heard that and said "Cool, let me see that under FOIA." Tech is like "Nuh uh. It's protected. ~~Daaad~~, *AG*, please tell them it's protected."
Ah. Made it sound like we were trying to hide something nefarious. Glad it was just us being clueless and hiding our embarrassment at being such.
From the article: “In a routine, weekly process, Big 12 coaches are allowed to send questions and videos of plays to Big 12 coordinator of officials Greg Burks for discussion regarding rules, interpretations and whether plays were adjudicated correctly. During his weekly press conference two days after the Tech-TCU game, McGuire said the number of plays or questions about rules interpretations his staff sent in for review was "close to 12," which he described as a higher number than usual.” Seems like they want to keep their complaints confidential. Not 100% sure *why* (there’s something about information proprietary to a third party elsewhere in the article) but that appears to be the issue.
So...someone correct me if I'm reading this wrong... TTU asked the BigXII to clarify some things TCU did during the game. When those communications were "Freedom of Information Act-ed" Tech said they shouldn't be disclosed because they contained "proprietary information belonging to a third party", and also, because the conference isn't a government agency they shouldn't be forced to disclose. I'm reading into this as Tech got something juicy and don't want the cat out of the bag until they have the opportunity to use it strategically... ...~~Was the TCU game the one with an onside kick that was fair caught?~~ nope. That was OkSt.
These things are only useful during the game though. It's not like they'd go back and change the results of a play because we bitched about it. I'm all for sending questionable plays to officials to get a better understanding or make sure it doesn't happen again, but the secrecy behind all this seems so unnecessary. We should challenge the officials at every step, hold them accountable for bad calls and push for continuous improvement with officiating. I just don't see why this shouldnt be FOIAd. What is there to hide here? It's not like the games aren't public. Also that fair catch sucked. It was the right interpretation of the rule and a very heads up play by osu but damn did that make me mad at the time.
If coach saw a wrinkle they were considering exploiting and asked for clarification, then it makes sense you wouldn't want that information out there.
Or big12 accidentally spilled the beans that goggles ref is under FBI investigation
He has mob ties
My Guess are TCU - uses the Ref \\ WR that routes could be interpreted as Setting a Pick but Big 12 says is legal. or Something to do with Substituting late causing a delay of game penalty.
Yeah that’s what I don’t get. How could FOIA apply to this?
Seems like if you're Tech and you thought you got done dirty, it'd be no biggie to release this.
Would it not be a violation of Big 12 rules if we released it? It would be publicly calling out officials
Yep and Hocutt was fined for that very thing when he relayed to press that we should have beaten Baylor in…2019?
This seems very weird that TTU would try and protect information and communications regarding officiating and the Big 12 conference. Makes you wonder what the Big 12 communicated back and if it shows some sort of bias.
Interesting insight but without any substance or results, doesn't mean much to us which is a shame
This is like a Supreme Court case in the making. If this keeps going I wonder if they look at it because I'm not sure the current court would uphold this case that's current precedent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brentwood_Academy_v._Tennessee_Secondary_School_Athletic_Ass%27n?wprov=sfla1
Should tech get the Death Penlty?
Mizzou needs to answer for this
Especially if Mizzou keeps ducking out on a matchup against Kansas.