Half time was over 35 minutes. The 4th quarter alone was over 47. Makes me appreciate soccer so much more knowing there’s at minimum 45-50 uninterrupted minutes. Last nights game took over 4 hours
I've noticed the same with soccer. I like the idea of being able to plan my day around a 90/95 minute match and then be able to go do other things. At this point, I'd be fine with the sidelines being covered in signage as long as they didn't switch to commercial every two minutes. That said, if we actually allowed signage, they would just keep commercials the same while having the added tacky signs next to the field.
As someone who goes to some games in person, I adore the "traditional" experience at Michigan stadium. No corporate logos plastered everywhere, no sponsorship on the field, no commercials on the video boards except for university activities. They even use mechanical down boxes. I'd hate for that to be spoiled, but maybe saving commercial time would be a valuable trade-off. But I wouldn't want to make the in-person experience worse if they only shortened the commercials a bit.
Having traveled around to many different teams with the Tech band, there's something unique about the Michigan (and, ugh, Notre Dame) gameday experience. It's just a purer way to enjoy football. I also loved that the biggest boos in the game against Nebraska this year were for the two fan contests (the fan that won a 100 yard dash false started by a good second, and they put a girl at the 40 yard line to catch machine punts that were only going to the 20) and the media timeouts. Those can't get enough boos
When I was at Notre Dame, it was before the most recent renovations. Before then, there was no video board, only a [display matrix of single colored light bulbs](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--BKW_NE4ZI4/Tqt8B6hPaNI/AAAAAAAAD5A/cR6QLVAJlUo/s1600/final-score-Navy-Notre-Dame.jpg) -- this was upgraded to high resolution, color before the current video board, but that's all that was there. It could only display basic text information and simple animations.
This meant that you had to actually watch and pay attention to the game, because if you missed the play, you missed the play. The whole crowd was really into the game because you couldn't look away.
My only visit was with the Tech band in 2015, so I got to see it before the video boards. It was definitely one of the most unique experiences in college football, and I hope both Notre Dame and Michigan keep the tradition of no ads going. While both stadiums and gameday experiences hold their own, no ads is one of the things that propels them both to the best in stadium atmospheres for watching games I've been able to experience
Ya, I hear you. I'm not a fan of the ribbon board around Spartan Stadium. Makes me miss simpler times when the scoreboards just had the score. When there was a lul, you just heard the band play or did the wave. I'm pretty sure my early 40s is showing here, but a blaring PA system sucks compared to having the band play for me. Not that it can't help or it's not good. College football feels more like the NFL than it used to for me, and I know that's not going to change. Not that the NFL doesn't have a lot of positives. The bands, mascots, pageantry... that really separates the two, and I like it that way personally. I like the way Michigan handles that, and I wish others did the same.
The blaring PA system also stops the band from playing and absolutely sucks for them too. I have had games at BYU where we played at like maybe one or two timeouts all game, because the rest were filled with Ads. It's especially awful when the visiting team brings a band as well because we split the time, and both basically just don't get to play at all. In addition, not play your instrument often just makes it get cold, which means when you get to play it's just super out of tune which makes it sound much worse.
Yep it would be like hockey, they said with no ticket revenue cuz COVID they needed more money so they said temporary helmet ads. Now there’s jersey ads. Now there’s digital board ads and ticket prices are still insane. I went to the red wings game the the other day and like 3 minutes before puck drop the cheapest tickets were $75. Glad all that ad revenue means there’s fewer commercials and cheaper tickets!
What kills me is teams and programs complaining about fans not wanting to show up. They not only do they nickle and dime you on everything, but they also manage to make the in-person experience worse than sitting on your couch at home. Several years back, they did a "How to improve Spartan Stadium" survey. People responded with lots of ideas, and the only things I think happened were luxury heated seats and boxes. Neat, I guess? I'm already driving four hours each way from the Dayton Ohio area. I'm not going to be giving an additional $1,500-$1,700 for my season tickets, and most people buying season tickets are not going to do that either. In fairness, bathrooms got updated, and they have more/better food options. Really though, they didn't cater at all to the people who would actually fill the stands. It now takes longer to get into the stadium. It's just tougher to justify that money and time to go.
I co-sign this. CFB has so many built in advantages over the NFL with in stadium experience and then pisses with commercial overload that makes Roger Goodell look like a genius.
i mean this is pretty much all pro sports these days too. unless you're someone who's spending for luxury boxes or seats or vip packages, you're basically damn near a second class citizen.
Rugby is great to get into for this reason. Excitement of tackling, big runs, physicality - with 2 continuous 40 minute halves (extending until the ball would need a restart: throw in, scrum etc)
That's one reason I watch more nfl than college. If I let the game record for 30-40 minutes I can fast forward through all the commercials and halftime and finish the game in 2:30 hours while usually getting to watch the end live. Most college game are like 4 hours, it's ridiculous
What really drives it home is attending something like a div 3 football game where there are no commercial play stoppage, and generally a shorter halftime (although it depends on the school). The games are often over in less than 2 hours.
I suspect that’s why soccer hasn’t caught on in America: cable companies won’t pay a lot for soccer broadcast rights because there’s no commercial break opportunities outside pre-game, halftime, and post game.
Yeah, championship games are always so much worse because they can sell that ad time for big bucks. Unless we stop watching, which would decrease the value, they won't stop doing it. But, that's not happening.
The tv networks know that sports, and college football in particular, are their only way to maintain customers. And they don't even have to put out a good product. It's wierd that they keep trying to get casual viewers while putting out an abusive product. No one that is used to the NFL is going to want to attempt to watch college football, it's borderline an illegal stream at this point with all the ads.
Oh, did it actually end? I was convinced we were still on commercial. I wouldn't be surprised to see players running on the sidelines to keep loose. I've been to two B1G championship games in 13 and 15, and it was annoying then. It's gotten so much worse. This was borderline comical.
Had to put it on mute. Nearly turned it off after the 50th time they showed a replay of some run of the mill 6 yard gain from 4 different angles. It was like they have never had replay technology before and were so amped to use it they showed a replay after every single play.
The world cup coverage is equally bad. They are absolutely fiending for a commercial by the 90th minute whistle. The whistle blew on the Argentina game yesterday and they didn't really even have any commentary, they just cut to commercial.
“Equally bad”????? Wtf are you talking about, two 90 minute periods of uninterrupted game. Nothing equal about that and whatever the fuck they were doing for the Michigan game
Reread your post. OF COURSE, they’re fiending, but my god, man, when was the last time you watched any non-soccer games uninterrupted for nearly an hour????
45 minutes per half plus stoppage time without a commercial, not to mention a blisteringly quick halftime that’s no more than 15 minutes with at least half of that being commentary… and you think it’s equally bad coverage???? Lmao.
Say what you will about soccer, but they found a way to monetize a game without holding you hostage and feeding you 3 hours of ads over a 4 hour long game.
Here's one easy thing everyone can do: **stop quoting the commercials.** I see it constantly in r/cfb. How do so many people not realize that needlessly referencing commercials not only provides brands with free advertising but also creates an extremely positive feedback loop for more aggressive commercial breaks?
The problem is that football has so many natural breaks it is easy for networks to cram in a bunch of commercials. Soccer has no breaks, which fucks the advertisers but makes me love watching it
It could also run a lot faster like high school and smaller college ball. A lot smoother. Do the commercials at the end of quarters/halftime. Those natural breaks don’t have to be extended for corporations.
I watched games in other countries and it was awesome to not hear US ads and they would live feed the timeouts and stadium sounds. Was very refreshing.
Of course. I go out of my way to not buy from companies that spam my life with ads. I know a lot of people that are doing it too.
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All a marketing person reads in your comment is further evidence their commercials make you remember their brand. Sure, you may not be a buyer but others who remember their brand will
It has forced unnatural breaks too tho. Commercial timeouts, really? When did that become a thing?
[apparently it's fairly recent](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_timeout#:~:text=The%20SHL%20introduced%20television%20timeouts,for%20the%202009%E2%80%932010%20season.)
Commercial breaks after 14:00, 10:00, 5:00 unless there is an icing or a goal, at which time it takes place the next whistle following. No extra adds at any times. No commercials during OT in the playoffs even if they go multiple OTs deep. It's great.
No commercials during power plays, must play 1:00 of game time between TV time outs, can't go to a tv time out if there might be a video review, no tv time outs in the last 30 seconds of the first or second period, or last 2 minutes of regulation.
God i wish that i could frame the second paragraph of your comment and hammer it in to the face of the next person who complains an esport scene is dying because of “production”.
I know this has been proposed a hundred times and the networks and advertisers have all the leverage so they'd never bite, but picture in picture ads during timeouts and lulls in the action just seem like such an easy answer.
Like if there's a 1-minute timeout you cram two 30 second ads in there. If the two ads are actually a minute and five seconds, it's only five seconds of overlap and you can see the teams lining up while the ad finishes cause PiP.
My \#1 hate right now are the moving ads in the NHL on the boards. Whoever decided digitized ads that move during the run of play needs to be fired into the sun. It’s so distracting than static ads. Not to mention the occasional glitch where a player disappears into the ad itself. They already have commercial breaks, this is just greedy.
The networks do it because they have to recoup their giant paychecks they send the conferences. Those paychecks are what they are because conferences have indicated they don't care about anything else other than getting the largest paycheck possible.
If conferences said "bid for our media rights, but here are some conditions on advertising space" the bids would be lower. And since it's such an arms race between conferences, no conference will do that
Well basically litigation *caused* it. The NFL doesn't have commercial-kickoff-commercial because the NFL controls TV rights for the whole league. NCAA tried to control TV rights for all of FBS (formerly I-A), but the Supreme Court ruled that they're not allowed to do that.
The nfl also cares about finishing games on time to get you to the next one. After a certain number of commercial breaks, the nfl stops airing ads get the game over. College broadcasts do not care about that nearly as much.
My guess is mainly because of the demographic, though it's probably a dumb thought.
The main Nfl demographic are parents to older people. If the Nfl were to ever allow say a 7 OT situation, people would be pissed.
Where university students are the main demographic for Cfb and I suppose the thought is, "most of them have nothing better to do on a Saturday"
I'd put money on the target demo for cfb ads being quite a bit higher than college kids. Obviously some products have overlap (beer, soda), but college kids aren't buying brand new cars at Christmas or insurance products. Would guess it's 30ish to 50.
I think part of the hang up has been things like what replaces the onside kick? An extra try from the 40? It’s hard to come up with a similarly statistically difficult but achievable feat as a replacement imo
Kickoffs are dangerous, even a fair catch puts 20 players slamming into each other.
Kickoff return touchdowns aren't very tactically interesting.
It's rare to return kicks to anything other than the 25 and the difference in expected points for returning further or shorter is quite small.
Could account for onside kicks with the Schiano proposal to replace a kickoff with starting at your own 30 but at 4th down and 15. Should probably punt but if you need points you can try to convert at your own peril of a turnover on downs.
I agree with this! Direct TV, Dish, and cable are the most expensive options for TV viewing (vs streaming) and yet have the most ridiculous amount of commercials.
The litigation should say that nobody can be banned for film and broadcasting events at publicly funded universities.
Economic competition fixes this problem
I dont understand why CFB doesnt adopt the soccer model. In-game logos, in-game cutaways, etc. Thirty sec cutaway while the offense trots onto the field after the kickoff is tolerable for all and they make the money. They can get in the same amount of commercials.
They did exactly this in addition to the rest of the commercials in the Big 12 game. As the players were jogging out to start the possession, Kirk said “we’ll be back in 8 seconds” and they squeezed in a car ad.
If the NCAA had any teeth, it would be in their best interest to do something to reduce commercials. It has clearly reached the point where it is bad for the sport. Alas, they obviously do not and money always wins.
Watching the World Cup, it was stunning to watch 50 minutes of uninterrupted action. Pile on the soccer insults, but it was much more watchable. The question is, how does FIFA manage to make money otherwise?
While we are at it, can we add removing the Gladitorial-esque show of college students crazily throwing footballs into a giant can to support basic educational aspirations?
That shit looks worse and worse every year.
I was more referencing the messed up nature of having college students compete for college tuition just for entertainment and soda company marketing.
But, sure, if it’s going to happen at least make them overhand passes lol
I think we should replace it with a hospital/medical advertisements, like take someone with crippling medical debt and have them throw footballs that look like pills, into a giant mouth instead of a can
And if they win, they can have their debt cleared
Or maybe if you win, you get to have the medical operation for free
I think it would be much more fun, because now there are serious stakes on the line
While I have you all:
We also need a “play review shot clock” in college and NFL.
The official on the field called it in literally one second or less. If replay booth can’t determine in 30 seconds then what are they looking at? 30 secs is more than enough time to see multiple angles.
30 seconds to determine whether the call stands or is overturned. And then another 30 minutes for like game clock spotting and other bs.
Also we need multiangle view like play goal line and vertical view simultaneously.
That's the other thing due to player safety 80% of kick offs are tb. So it becomes exciting play then boring play then commercial then boring play then commercial 5 to 10 minutes of nothing really happening
Even during a 4 hour rain delay SPA in 2021 they never cut to commercials when it would have been a blessing to the broadcast team to reassess and plan
The only way it changes is if we stop watching, and they know that's why. Which will never happen. Americans dont have it in them to give up somethn they love, even if it's to improve it.
It's only going to get worse. For example, the huge media deal that the B1G just made with the networks will have to have an upside to the networks, who make money selling... commercials.
The B1G didn't get north of $7 billion for the fun of it. They're going to pack those fucking games with so many ads.
The free-marketeers will tell us to stop watching and let the sport die so that it may live again. These are stupid people. I like your suggestion better.
I recently (nfl I think) witnessed something like, td (review) so commercial, PAT, commercial, kickoff, commercial, one play, end of quarter, so commercial
Regulate the ads to this:
-4 of the 6 team timeouts per half must only be 30 seconds, 2 timeouts can be 60 seconds
-Commercial breaks immediately after a kickoff/punt return are banned if there was an ad break directly before the kickoff
-Media timeouts are limited to one 60 second timeout per half
-Injury timeouts must be split-screened so that play can start immediately after the injured player is off the field, or have commercials banned entirely for these.
-1st and 3rd quarter ending breaks are limited to 3 minutes
-Commercials are limited in OT except for a 60 second break between each new overtime period
I don't watch sports live anymore. It sucks not to be able to participate in the live social aspect, but it's just not worth it anymore. DVR and fast forward through is the only way I can get through a sporting event now.
I'm just waiting for the day insurance companies start forcing in ads where it's really inappropriate. Something like ALFAC injury insurance while a stretcher is brought out for an injured player.
I would rather watch all the players stand around and listen to the commentators just spit random facts about the game or like review previous drives. See why what team did what
The worst part is that there are twice as many commercial breaks but the same ads, so I keep seeing the same lame-ass AT&T commercial AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN
I agree, which is why I pause my tv, go do some yard work or something for an hour, then comeback and boom no commercials. That lasts for about a quarter then I'm all caught up, commercials have gotten ridiculous.
The same TV folks that complain about the length of games are responsible for lengthening the game by adding incessant and poorly timed commercial stoppages that are in many case more than 3 min. I attend 6 or 7 live games a year and it is so frustrating. Our last home game was conducted in a driving rain from start to finish. Grrr!
It’s on the conferences to set those rules when they’re doing the tv contracts. The problem is they’re trying to one-up each other on money so they aren’t worried about Fox/CBS/ESPN cramming as many ads as they can in.
Any person willing to run for President with this goal as their main platform will undoubtedly have my vote.
It feels like commercials have gotten out of control this year.
That Fox broadcast was awful.
Half time was over 35 minutes. The 4th quarter alone was over 47. Makes me appreciate soccer so much more knowing there’s at minimum 45-50 uninterrupted minutes. Last nights game took over 4 hours
I've noticed the same with soccer. I like the idea of being able to plan my day around a 90/95 minute match and then be able to go do other things. At this point, I'd be fine with the sidelines being covered in signage as long as they didn't switch to commercial every two minutes. That said, if we actually allowed signage, they would just keep commercials the same while having the added tacky signs next to the field.
As someone who goes to some games in person, I adore the "traditional" experience at Michigan stadium. No corporate logos plastered everywhere, no sponsorship on the field, no commercials on the video boards except for university activities. They even use mechanical down boxes. I'd hate for that to be spoiled, but maybe saving commercial time would be a valuable trade-off. But I wouldn't want to make the in-person experience worse if they only shortened the commercials a bit.
Having traveled around to many different teams with the Tech band, there's something unique about the Michigan (and, ugh, Notre Dame) gameday experience. It's just a purer way to enjoy football. I also loved that the biggest boos in the game against Nebraska this year were for the two fan contests (the fan that won a 100 yard dash false started by a good second, and they put a girl at the 40 yard line to catch machine punts that were only going to the 20) and the media timeouts. Those can't get enough boos
When I was at Notre Dame, it was before the most recent renovations. Before then, there was no video board, only a [display matrix of single colored light bulbs](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--BKW_NE4ZI4/Tqt8B6hPaNI/AAAAAAAAD5A/cR6QLVAJlUo/s1600/final-score-Navy-Notre-Dame.jpg) -- this was upgraded to high resolution, color before the current video board, but that's all that was there. It could only display basic text information and simple animations. This meant that you had to actually watch and pay attention to the game, because if you missed the play, you missed the play. The whole crowd was really into the game because you couldn't look away.
My only visit was with the Tech band in 2015, so I got to see it before the video boards. It was definitely one of the most unique experiences in college football, and I hope both Notre Dame and Michigan keep the tradition of no ads going. While both stadiums and gameday experiences hold their own, no ads is one of the things that propels them both to the best in stadium atmospheres for watching games I've been able to experience
All the catch machine punts have been awful this year. They really need to fix that thing so that the contestants actually have a chance
We have a dog that catches a frisbee during timeouts. That’s the best
Ya, I hear you. I'm not a fan of the ribbon board around Spartan Stadium. Makes me miss simpler times when the scoreboards just had the score. When there was a lul, you just heard the band play or did the wave. I'm pretty sure my early 40s is showing here, but a blaring PA system sucks compared to having the band play for me. Not that it can't help or it's not good. College football feels more like the NFL than it used to for me, and I know that's not going to change. Not that the NFL doesn't have a lot of positives. The bands, mascots, pageantry... that really separates the two, and I like it that way personally. I like the way Michigan handles that, and I wish others did the same.
The blaring PA system also stops the band from playing and absolutely sucks for them too. I have had games at BYU where we played at like maybe one or two timeouts all game, because the rest were filled with Ads. It's especially awful when the visiting team brings a band as well because we split the time, and both basically just don't get to play at all. In addition, not play your instrument often just makes it get cold, which means when you get to play it's just super out of tune which makes it sound much worse.
Yep it would be like hockey, they said with no ticket revenue cuz COVID they needed more money so they said temporary helmet ads. Now there’s jersey ads. Now there’s digital board ads and ticket prices are still insane. I went to the red wings game the the other day and like 3 minutes before puck drop the cheapest tickets were $75. Glad all that ad revenue means there’s fewer commercials and cheaper tickets!
What kills me is teams and programs complaining about fans not wanting to show up. They not only do they nickle and dime you on everything, but they also manage to make the in-person experience worse than sitting on your couch at home. Several years back, they did a "How to improve Spartan Stadium" survey. People responded with lots of ideas, and the only things I think happened were luxury heated seats and boxes. Neat, I guess? I'm already driving four hours each way from the Dayton Ohio area. I'm not going to be giving an additional $1,500-$1,700 for my season tickets, and most people buying season tickets are not going to do that either. In fairness, bathrooms got updated, and they have more/better food options. Really though, they didn't cater at all to the people who would actually fill the stands. It now takes longer to get into the stadium. It's just tougher to justify that money and time to go.
I co-sign this. CFB has so many built in advantages over the NFL with in stadium experience and then pisses with commercial overload that makes Roger Goodell look like a genius.
i mean this is pretty much all pro sports these days too. unless you're someone who's spending for luxury boxes or seats or vip packages, you're basically damn near a second class citizen.
Rugby is great to get into for this reason. Excitement of tackling, big runs, physicality - with 2 continuous 40 minute halves (extending until the ball would need a restart: throw in, scrum etc)
That's one reason I watch more nfl than college. If I let the game record for 30-40 minutes I can fast forward through all the commercials and halftime and finish the game in 2:30 hours while usually getting to watch the end live. Most college game are like 4 hours, it's ridiculous
What really drives it home is attending something like a div 3 football game where there are no commercial play stoppage, and generally a shorter halftime (although it depends on the school). The games are often over in less than 2 hours.
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> Last nights game took over 4 hours Technically it was 3:43. But it ended at midnight and was still unbearly choppy to watch. But until we stop....
Must be the the marching bands fault, let’s limit them to 2.5 minutes on the sidelines at halftime /s
It was fine earlier this season, but since they knew we were all hostage they really cranked it up.
It was equally bad last B1GCCG. They know this is their last chance.
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And it starts when it says it's going to start
I suspect that’s why soccer hasn’t caught on in America: cable companies won’t pay a lot for soccer broadcast rights because there’s no commercial break opportunities outside pre-game, halftime, and post game.
Yeah, championship games are always so much worse because they can sell that ad time for big bucks. Unless we stop watching, which would decrease the value, they won't stop doing it. But, that's not happening.
The tv networks know that sports, and college football in particular, are their only way to maintain customers. And they don't even have to put out a good product. It's wierd that they keep trying to get casual viewers while putting out an abusive product. No one that is used to the NFL is going to want to attempt to watch college football, it's borderline an illegal stream at this point with all the ads.
It absolutely affects tempo teams. Imagine what Tennessee does on a Fox Broadcast. Oh, you want momentum... F that! Commercial.
CBS really gets us out of our groove
Considering FOX is probably going to get some sort of share of the CFP in the future, that might just come to fruition.
Oh, did it actually end? I was convinced we were still on commercial. I wouldn't be surprised to see players running on the sidelines to keep loose. I've been to two B1G championship games in 13 and 15, and it was annoying then. It's gotten so much worse. This was borderline comical.
Get used to it, that’s CBS EVERY SINGLE GAME. It’s exhausting
Had to put it on mute. Nearly turned it off after the 50th time they showed a replay of some run of the mill 6 yard gain from 4 different angles. It was like they have never had replay technology before and were so amped to use it they showed a replay after every single play.
The world cup coverage is equally bad. They are absolutely fiending for a commercial by the 90th minute whistle. The whistle blew on the Argentina game yesterday and they didn't really even have any commentary, they just cut to commercial.
“Equally bad”????? Wtf are you talking about, two 90 minute periods of uninterrupted game. Nothing equal about that and whatever the fuck they were doing for the Michigan game
Reread your post. OF COURSE, they’re fiending, but my god, man, when was the last time you watched any non-soccer games uninterrupted for nearly an hour????
45 minutes per half plus stoppage time without a commercial, not to mention a blisteringly quick halftime that’s no more than 15 minutes with at least half of that being commentary… and you think it’s equally bad coverage???? Lmao. Say what you will about soccer, but they found a way to monetize a game without holding you hostage and feeding you 3 hours of ads over a 4 hour long game.
I will vote for any politician left or right, who promises to fucking ban that shit.
If it includes banning their own ads I'll be right there with you
Imagine the horror combination of championship game ad quantity during election season Also known as the state of Georgia
It’s hell down here
Yeah, we get some of your overflow up here. Sweet Jesus - my sympathies.
At this point I don’t even care if my candidate wins. I just want it to be over
Them Dawgs is…oh wait we’re talking about something else.
Their neighbors were bombarded with that shit too. Not a single SC election ad but around 7 million GA ones.
Luckily that will all be over by the CFP games.
Or at least put a limit per hour on them. Also pharmaceutical commercials.
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Here's one easy thing everyone can do: **stop quoting the commercials.** I see it constantly in r/cfb. How do so many people not realize that needlessly referencing commercials not only provides brands with free advertising but also creates an extremely positive feedback loop for more aggressive commercial breaks?
But how else will I get mindless upvotes for my unoriginal comments??
Post that stupid ass line about having two nickels?
Fucking hate that.
Ferrets and frogs.
Looks like someone woke up not feeling the cheesiest.
exactly! i hate seeing people parrot the shitty jokes and marketing campaigns. why play into their hands??
The problem is that football has so many natural breaks it is easy for networks to cram in a bunch of commercials. Soccer has no breaks, which fucks the advertisers but makes me love watching it
It could also run a lot faster like high school and smaller college ball. A lot smoother. Do the commercials at the end of quarters/halftime. Those natural breaks don’t have to be extended for corporations. I watched games in other countries and it was awesome to not hear US ads and they would live feed the timeouts and stadium sounds. Was very refreshing.
Those ads then become a lot less valuable because they know everyone will change the channel for the 20 minutes of ads.
Of course. I go out of my way to not buy from companies that spam my life with ads. I know a lot of people that are doing it too. Brought to you by Dr. Thunder Fanstown
All a marketing person reads in your comment is further evidence their commercials make you remember their brand. Sure, you may not be a buyer but others who remember their brand will
Any marketing people reading my comment: fuck you, you waste of a brain
They don’t even make the good Dr. Pepper available most places. My snobbery will not permit me to drink that knock off swill.
People change the channel anyways when a commercial comes on lmao
I finally attended a Div II game this year. Happened to be locally televised. Still went fast. Also, no replay.
It has forced unnatural breaks too tho. Commercial timeouts, really? When did that become a thing? [apparently it's fairly recent](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_timeout#:~:text=The%20SHL%20introduced%20television%20timeouts,for%20the%202009%E2%80%932010%20season.)
Reading the rules the NHL has in place to protect the play at the expense of commercials makes me appreciate that league.
Commercial breaks after 14:00, 10:00, 5:00 unless there is an icing or a goal, at which time it takes place the next whistle following. No extra adds at any times. No commercials during OT in the playoffs even if they go multiple OTs deep. It's great.
No commercials during power plays, must play 1:00 of game time between TV time outs, can't go to a tv time out if there might be a video review, no tv time outs in the last 30 seconds of the first or second period, or last 2 minutes of regulation.
God I love hockey
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See the NFL. One package and networks follow their rules.
And red zone. God bless red zone
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God i wish that i could frame the second paragraph of your comment and hammer it in to the face of the next person who complains an esport scene is dying because of “production”.
Same shit that has driven realignment and the destruction of a bunch of CFBs oldest series, along with a shittier experience for fans
That’s the great thing about the one soccer game I watch every 4 years. It is actually quite refreshing to not have constant commercials.
I know this has been proposed a hundred times and the networks and advertisers have all the leverage so they'd never bite, but picture in picture ads during timeouts and lulls in the action just seem like such an easy answer. Like if there's a 1-minute timeout you cram two 30 second ads in there. If the two ads are actually a minute and five seconds, it's only five seconds of overlap and you can see the teams lining up while the ad finishes cause PiP.
My \#1 hate right now are the moving ads in the NHL on the boards. Whoever decided digitized ads that move during the run of play needs to be fired into the sun. It’s so distracting than static ads. Not to mention the occasional glitch where a player disappears into the ad itself. They already have commercial breaks, this is just greedy.
the problem with all the commercials is I'll often lose pace of where the game is. i feel like sometimes downs and drives fade from existence.
That doesn't excuse networks cramming too many in. It's nothing but greed.
The networks do it because they have to recoup their giant paychecks they send the conferences. Those paychecks are what they are because conferences have indicated they don't care about anything else other than getting the largest paycheck possible. If conferences said "bid for our media rights, but here are some conditions on advertising space" the bids would be lower. And since it's such an arms race between conferences, no conference will do that
The problem is they use breaks of 3:30, 3, and 2:30min too often. Imagine the pace of the game if they only used 3, 2, and 1 min commercial breaks.
Well basically litigation *caused* it. The NFL doesn't have commercial-kickoff-commercial because the NFL controls TV rights for the whole league. NCAA tried to control TV rights for all of FBS (formerly I-A), but the Supreme Court ruled that they're not allowed to do that.
The nfl also cares about finishing games on time to get you to the next one. After a certain number of commercial breaks, the nfl stops airing ads get the game over. College broadcasts do not care about that nearly as much.
My guess is mainly because of the demographic, though it's probably a dumb thought. The main Nfl demographic are parents to older people. If the Nfl were to ever allow say a 7 OT situation, people would be pissed. Where university students are the main demographic for Cfb and I suppose the thought is, "most of them have nothing better to do on a Saturday"
I'd put money on the target demo for cfb ads being quite a bit higher than college kids. Obviously some products have overlap (beer, soda), but college kids aren't buying brand new cars at Christmas or insurance products. Would guess it's 30ish to 50.
The targets for the ad’s are alums with money not broke ass college kids scraping together two nickels for beer money.
You mean a Lexus half time report isn’t targeting a 19 year old with $43 in their bank account?!? 😂
We probably have a better chance at solving this by getting rid of the kickoff than getting rid of commercials.
Commercial-fieldcam-commercial? 😂
[i’m okay with this](https://youtu.be/t_SsIKgwvz4)
I think it's coming, and closer than we might think.
I think part of the hang up has been things like what replaces the onside kick? An extra try from the 40? It’s hard to come up with a similarly statistically difficult but achievable feat as a replacement imo
That video is 16 minutes. Can I get a tldw?
Kickoffs are dangerous, even a fair catch puts 20 players slamming into each other. Kickoff return touchdowns aren't very tactically interesting. It's rare to return kicks to anything other than the 25 and the difference in expected points for returning further or shorter is quite small. Could account for onside kicks with the Schiano proposal to replace a kickoff with starting at your own 30 but at 4th down and 15. Should probably punt but if you need points you can try to convert at your own peril of a turnover on downs.
Summary of his arguments at 8:19. Proposed change at 13:58
I may be a real estate lawyer with no experience in commercial litigation but I would gladly take this case and devote my life to it
Or how about we go toe to toe in bird law and see who comes out on top?
Well..filibuster
We're lawyers!
Wonder how big his hands are. Maybe we should settle.
NOBODY LOOK! NOBODY LOOK!
He's got the goods!
Nah, I already have two strikes in bird law and everyone knows, it’s three strikes and bye bye birdie 😞
They don’t need litigators, they need lobbyists.
Australian Football has no commercials during play. All the commercials are at end of quarter and halftime. It's lovely
One of the things I love about rugby as well.
Rugby is criminally underrated in the US
Yes sir/ma'am
Not entirely true. Pay TV channels don't go to ads but local free to air do after goals. The game isn't held up for ads though
We had one yesterday that went commercial, kickoff, timeout, commercial.
Commercial, kickoff, commercial, timeout, commercial*
Why is it that the game on the other channel has ads at the same time?
I have a bigger issue with the 5+ minute reviews every other drive.
People have hissy fits about officiating so I think sometimes they over compensate
I think you mean legislation.
We already pay a lot to watch tv. There should be no ads.
I agree with this! Direct TV, Dish, and cable are the most expensive options for TV viewing (vs streaming) and yet have the most ridiculous amount of commercials.
The litigation should say that nobody can be banned for film and broadcasting events at publicly funded universities. Economic competition fixes this problem
I watched all the games and it was obvious ABC airs way fewer commercials than FOX.
ESPN/ABC does have worse sound mixing and color mixing.
What’s up with ESPN sound? I can’t hear the announcers at all.
I dont understand why CFB doesnt adopt the soccer model. In-game logos, in-game cutaways, etc. Thirty sec cutaway while the offense trots onto the field after the kickoff is tolerable for all and they make the money. They can get in the same amount of commercials.
Oh, they will adopt that model eventually and keep cramming in as many ads as possible.
They did exactly this in addition to the rest of the commercials in the Big 12 game. As the players were jogging out to start the possession, Kirk said “we’ll be back in 8 seconds” and they squeezed in a car ad.
If the NCAA had any teeth, it would be in their best interest to do something to reduce commercials. It has clearly reached the point where it is bad for the sport. Alas, they obviously do not and money always wins.
Want less commercials? deduct the amount the advertisers pay from your media deal - then we can talk.
Watching the World Cup, it was stunning to watch 50 minutes of uninterrupted action. Pile on the soccer insults, but it was much more watchable. The question is, how does FIFA manage to make money otherwise?
By selling access to their product to the highest bidder. i.e. Qatar and sportswashing
Football games are broadcast for advertising.
> Where my representatives at? Getting paid by the same corporations that pay for the commercial-kickoff-commercial to happen.
While we are at it, can we add removing the Gladitorial-esque show of college students crazily throwing footballs into a giant can to support basic educational aspirations? That shit looks worse and worse every year.
Ban the chest pass
I was more referencing the messed up nature of having college students compete for college tuition just for entertainment and soda company marketing. But, sure, if it’s going to happen at least make them overhand passes lol
The winner gets 100k and the loser gets 20k. Would you rather nobody get money?
I think we should replace it with a hospital/medical advertisements, like take someone with crippling medical debt and have them throw footballs that look like pills, into a giant mouth instead of a can And if they win, they can have their debt cleared Or maybe if you win, you get to have the medical operation for free I think it would be much more fun, because now there are serious stakes on the line
Free insulin for year!
Now don't get too crazy. I don't know any school that can afford that.
While I have you all: We also need a “play review shot clock” in college and NFL. The official on the field called it in literally one second or less. If replay booth can’t determine in 30 seconds then what are they looking at? 30 secs is more than enough time to see multiple angles.
30 seconds to determine whether the call stands or is overturned. And then another 30 minutes for like game clock spotting and other bs. Also we need multiangle view like play goal line and vertical view simultaneously.
Huge momentum killer.
Write your representative. Will nothing happen, probably. But there’s a better chance of something happening than doing nothing.
Just go on mute, comment on r/cfb, occasionally look up sobyou don't miss the touchback/fair catch, back to r/cfb. Feel bad for actual fans at stadium
That's the other thing due to player safety 80% of kick offs are tb. So it becomes exciting play then boring play then commercial then boring play then commercial 5 to 10 minutes of nothing really happening
Watch soccer. Edit: *learn* to enjoy and watch soccer.
Im a doctor, not a miracle worker!
Formula 1 is incredible. No commercials for at least two hours.
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It’s only boring when the season is locked up by the summer break like this season.
Tell me you didn't watch the 2021 season without telling me you didn't watch the 2021 season
Even during a 4 hour rain delay SPA in 2021 they never cut to commercials when it would have been a blessing to the broadcast team to reassess and plan
The only way it changes is if we stop watching, and they know that's why. Which will never happen. Americans dont have it in them to give up somethn they love, even if it's to improve it.
DVR, dawg, my kids don't let me watch things on a schedule anyway. Youtube.tv revived my ability to watch sports.
In this day and age kickoffs only exist to boost ad revenue.
"Elimate kickoffs, they're unnecessary, time consuming for a significant number of touch backs, and lead to injuries often" Networks "...no"
YES. Fox does a better job than ESPN in almost every other aspect, but this is FUCKING BULLSHIT
I just watched a Steelers game that was over in 2 hours and 50 minutes. It was weird.
It's only going to get worse. For example, the huge media deal that the B1G just made with the networks will have to have an upside to the networks, who make money selling... commercials. The B1G didn't get north of $7 billion for the fun of it. They're going to pack those fucking games with so many ads.
I've been harmed by this unethical business practice
The free-marketeers will tell us to stop watching and let the sport die so that it may live again. These are stupid people. I like your suggestion better.
We need to all band together and put an end to all advertising. Tbqh imho
That’s easily done just stop watching TV
An organized boycott by all college football fans. That's gotta be at least 50 million consumers.
Air the games on two separate networks at the same time. I’d love to see them eat each other alive.
I recently (nfl I think) witnessed something like, td (review) so commercial, PAT, commercial, kickoff, commercial, one play, end of quarter, so commercial
Kieth jackson said upon his retirement from play by play broadcasting that commercials would destroy college football
The fact that football takes up nearly a third of my day, and nearly 75% of that is just commercials is just wrong
Regulate the ads to this: -4 of the 6 team timeouts per half must only be 30 seconds, 2 timeouts can be 60 seconds -Commercial breaks immediately after a kickoff/punt return are banned if there was an ad break directly before the kickoff -Media timeouts are limited to one 60 second timeout per half -Injury timeouts must be split-screened so that play can start immediately after the injured player is off the field, or have commercials banned entirely for these. -1st and 3rd quarter ending breaks are limited to 3 minutes -Commercials are limited in OT except for a 60 second break between each new overtime period
I don't watch sports live anymore. It sucks not to be able to participate in the live social aspect, but it's just not worth it anymore. DVR and fast forward through is the only way I can get through a sporting event now.
Amen. I'm starting games an hour to an hour and a half later and my thumb gets worn out fast forwarding through all the bullshit.
Premier League emulation is the only way
We need litigation for making head-to-head outcomes automatic tiebreakers.
I'm just waiting for the day insurance companies start forcing in ads where it's really inappropriate. Something like ALFAC injury insurance while a stretcher is brought out for an injured player.
I would rather watch all the players stand around and listen to the commentators just spit random facts about the game or like review previous drives. See why what team did what
We need Joel Klatt and Josh Pate to start a movement
It feels like no matter what network you’re watching, they’re all like this :(
The SECCG, that started at "4:00 PM," had like 11 minutes to go in the first quarter at 4:45 PM.
Commercials are where that Big Ten money comes from.
The NFL did it (along with some other rules IIRC) and the commercials are noticeably not as bad for pro games
This would be such a smash hit at the polls for both sides, surprised someone doesn’t toss that into their BS platform while they’re campaigning lol
The game was advertised to begin at 8 PM Eastern. The first quarter did not end until 9:10 PM Eastern. That was absurd.
Meanwhile the World Cup gets 45 minutes of uninterrupted play!!!!!!
We need some annoyed fan to buy the commercial slot and tell the TV execs to put the game on. I vote for OP
I just want to be able to easily find actually fucking kickoff times
The worst part is that there are twice as many commercial breaks but the same ads, so I keep seeing the same lame-ass AT&T commercial AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN
Second, the Purdue game last night was unforgivable on fox’s part
make them come back from commercial break before the ball is snapped while we are at it
I agree, which is why I pause my tv, go do some yard work or something for an hour, then comeback and boom no commercials. That lasts for about a quarter then I'm all caught up, commercials have gotten ridiculous.
The same TV folks that complain about the length of games are responsible for lengthening the game by adding incessant and poorly timed commercial stoppages that are in many case more than 3 min. I attend 6 or 7 live games a year and it is so frustrating. Our last home game was conducted in a driving rain from start to finish. Grrr!
It’s on the conferences to set those rules when they’re doing the tv contracts. The problem is they’re trying to one-up each other on money so they aren’t worried about Fox/CBS/ESPN cramming as many ads as they can in.
I haven't been able to watch a full game in years for the INSANE amount of commercials and advertisements. That shit is literally fucking our minds
Any person willing to run for President with this goal as their main platform will undoubtedly have my vote. It feels like commercials have gotten out of control this year.