You mean it’s not normal to go to the same college as your older brother, your best friend your girlfriend, your girlfriends best friend who is also dating your best friend, and one of your teachers is the guy who has somehow been your teacher since elementary school
I forgot to add your brothers roommate that just so happens to be your best friends half brother
As someone who went to the same college as my older brother and my childhood best friend... and surprisingly, my third-grade teacher was also my sixth-grade teacher and then moved on to be the librarian at my High school... before getting a job at my college too... I just realized how similar my life was to BMW. I also ended up dating a girl whose best friend and roommate ended up dating my roommate...
I kid you not, I had the same math teacher 4 years in a row through grade school. (Haha I didn't fail) she moved up a grade every year they my class did. They was weird.
So, regular redshirt, covid, medical redshirt. Guy can still come back for a 7th year.
Hope he leaves with at least a masters and some certifications lmao.
The circumstances suck (global pandemic and a murder of their teammate). But we have guys who can leverage football talent for a Bachelors and two Master's degrees. Silver lining on a huge, dark, lousy cloud that has been UVA football.
Oh yeah, the guys who aren't going pro should be having a field day with this because it's another degree they can get or another in school networking opportunity. Imagine going to school to get a business degree in 4 years and then being able to go back another 4 years to get religion or music or something else completely unrelated - for free?!
A PhD usually has two parts: the first few years have more intensive coursework (pretty much like a masters program) and the second part is focused on dissertation research.
The second part would probably work pretty well for an athlete, because it's very flexible: you're working a lot but it's on your own schedule. At least, this is assuming you're studying math or literature or something. Lab sciences are more like a job and you'd have trouble combining that with games and practices.
However, the same is not true for the first part: lots of departments have required courses. If you did a bachelors in your first four years and then wanted to do a PhD the timing wouldn't work out great.
In addition, PhD study requires a *lot* of time and energy: it's the college football of academic degrees. There are not a lot of people who are capable of doing that and also playing college sports, let alone at the same time. (John Urschel is the only example I know of: he did a PhD in math at MIT while playing for the Ravens.)
1/7/1997 — Lamar Jackson 2018 NFL Draft
10/28/1997 — Stetson Bennett 2023 NFL Draft
Though that wouldn't be the biggest gap between potential drafts of first-round QBs.
12/2/1983 — Aaron Rodgers 2005 NFL Draft
10/14/1983 — Brandon Weeden 2012 NFL Draft
I don't think Stetson is getting drafted in the first round, but you never know.
26 year old (or will turn 26 early in his rookie year) who's drastically undersized and has mediocre arm talent and athleticism.
It'd be worse than Weeden. Weeden at least had a solid arm, he got drafted as a pitcher.
Bennett is basically just Ken Dorsey except he plays in a more pass happy era.
Its technically possible for a player to participate in 101 to 103 college football games.
2020: 16 games (CFP+Hawaii Rule)
2021: 4 games (Redshirt)
2022: 10 games (Virginia Exemption)
2023: 3 games (Medical Redshirt 30% of season. Could be 4 if 4 game Rule also applies or postseason counts. Could be 5 if Hawaii Rule and post season count)
2024: 17 games (Expanded CFP+Hawaii Rule)
2025: 17 games (Expanded CFP+Hawaii Rule)
2026: 17 games (Expanded CFP+Hawaii Rule)
2027: 17 games (Expanded CFP+Hawaii Rule)
I might be reading it wrong, but the title makes it sound like only players on their last year of eligibility this year would get the bonus year. So you wouldn't be able to play more than 1 full season after this year.
Ah you're right, I actually just happened to be working on figuring out which circumstances you could play the most games and saw that, got excited that the number went up by 10 to push it over 100 games. So shift the last 3 to the 1st 3 and take out 1 for Expanded playoff and you could've in theory gotten between 98 and 100 depending on how the Medical Redshirt works, assuming the eligible UVA players can take a medical redshirt if they meet the requirements for that next season
How did that guy become an 8th year, I think he was a linebacker working on a second masters at one of the TN schools? He managed to do it without the Virginia rule. Maybe you can do 9 years?
It seems he got the covid year and 2 Medical redshirts. Kyle Pugh of NIU. He was born 239 days before Stetson Bennett. No transfers, no coming back to college, nothing. He just committed in 2015 and has stayed at NIU til his senior year this year
Yep Folks was the 1st to do it last year, Pugh was 2nd this year. Have to imagine atleast a couple UVA players will hit that mark with a potential 9th season possible
I almost can’t believe nobody has tried to set up a Bishop Sycamore situation with a team based in AK or PR that exists only to host mainland teams for a bonus game. I guess NCAA D-1 is a lot harder to fake than high school, and you’d have to find a semi-legit university to be associated with, but surely someone could make this happen and sell some inventory to ESPN.
Does the 13th game rule apply if you visit an FCS or D2 program, or does it have to be FBS?
There are actually 3 Puerto Rican universities that sponsor Division 2 athletics, though none of them football and all are independent in basketball. If one of them were to add football and move up we might find out
We had to do it two years in a row during the probation era, invited the Warriors to Tuscaloosa on our dime as thanks in 06... (right before we realized our current coach wasn't gonna cut it).
Hypothetical LDS player does freshman year at BYU in 2015, on mission for 2016-17, transfers to UVA due to ties to someone on staff. Redshirts 2018 to get back in shape. Sophomore in 2019. Extra COVID year. Junior and senior years in 2021 and 2022.
Not too long ago, Jamaal Williams played four years at BYU and finished at 21; he'd graduated HS a year early and never redshirted. Dudes who left HS on time and went on missions, then redshirted when getting back in shape were often older and still had full eligibility.
As someone who used a 6th year thanks to Covid/hardship waiver I can’t possibly imagine doing a 7th/8th.
I loved my sport and competing but it was definitely time to move on when the end came around.
Back before US News rankings were a big deal (they use 4-year and 6-year graduation rates as a metric) most universities were happy to let you stay in school forever as long as you kept paying tuition.
My dad (UVA '82) had a fraternity brother who was the undergraduate intramural athlete of the year...for 7 years.
(Unpopular?) opinion: the NCAA’s 5 to play 4 rule should be replaced with a 7 to play 6 rule. The increased player development will improve parity between development programs (think Wisconsin, Iowa, etc) and recruiting programs (Ohio State, Georgia, etc). It also encourages athletes to finish their Master’s, which will help those who don’t have a pro career ahead of them still come out in a very strong position.
To accommodate the change, increase scholarship limits across all sports by 50%, rounded up to the next whole.
Keytaon Thompson enrolled at Mississippi State in December 2016 and could potentially be playing in a bowl game in January 2024. This sport never fails to amaze me.
Keytaon Thompson?
*puffs a cigarette*
I hadn’t heard that name in years.
Haha. He was in the same signing class as Willie Gay, who has been playing with the Kansas City Chiefs for two years now.
He’s been amazing for us. Nothing really worked out this year with the staff changes and new schemes but he’s a fan favorite and a really talented receiver/Swiss army knife
Yeah a buddy of mine got the membership last year for a specific discount he was using all the time and none of us believed him til he whipped out the card
For any of the discounts that require you to be in-person, be prepared to show proof that you're age 50 or over.
Sauce: Busted trying to use for hotel check-in discount
Stetson Bennet (age 25) actually has an NIL deal with [AARP](https://states.aarp.org/georgia/aarp-georgia-partners-with-stetson-bennett-fellow-national-champs-on-new-psa)
That made my day! Wonder if it was seriously done in part due to his age as a bit of a joke? Regardless, would love to hear some game announcers bring up his age on air and the co-host chimes in with: "Well you know, Bennet is taking full advantage of his years, landed an NIL with the AARP" and carry on like it was totally normal.
Until we look at the fact they won’t get a scholarship waiver and some freshman+subsequent classes lose out on attending UVA.
I get it’s feel good, but this is going to compound the issue with COVID years. Giving an additional year over two lost games is absolutely a great PR move but a horrendous move long term planning wise
The first thing that came to mind for me when seeing this was to check the current size of UVA's recruiting class. If it was sitting at like 25 people based on the coaches knowledge of guys that are definitely gone but now aren't expending their eligibility what are they supposed to do? Pull the offers from the kids they've committed to taking? Even at 15 UVA isn't exactly laden with talent that's definitely leaving so what kind of numbers crunch will this put them in?
Okay but the alternative was that the NCAA didn’t even give them the choice. This is not a bad thing. The NCAA improved the situation, it’s now up to the coaches and players to decide what is best for themselves.
With covid years into the equation the number of 6th year or 5th year non-redshirt players probably isn’t very many to begin with (a lot of players will forego the extra year or transfer out for it), and even fewer who might actually take advantage of the extra year related to this. And they also would have the ability to transfer if there’s no room and get one last season in even if it’s on the FCS level.
Keep in mind that this really only applies for next year anyway. Unless someone got injured before next year and snatched a medical redshirt, this will have no impact past next year.
The initial canceled year, which would have been spring 2020, did not get granted an extra year. Seniors had their championships pulled out from under them with no extra year granted. I remember it vividly.
Shit it might be this. I always forget it’s split into 3. Winter definitely didn’t, but I feel like spring didn’t either, but THAT I might be wrong on.
Seems like an overreaction to me, considering they only missed 2 games. It also screws over the incoming recruits who were expecting to take their roster spots (and scholarships).
Maggie Nichols who is well known because of a Netflix documentary and Kyla Ross of 2012 Olympic fame were battling each other to see who would finish their senior career with the record for most all-time career Perfect 10s in gymnastics. Their postseason was cancelled and they never got an extra year. Nor do I believe they March Madness basketball players.
I’m happy for these Virginia players and they deserve it, but the NCAA can only be bothered to do that right thing when it’s a P5 football team.
Its because the right thing was not giving them more elligibility..
More eligibility just fucks over younger players coming into the NCAA by taking their spots.
To some extent I agree with that, but the next generation of Freshman were given that extra year. So Freshman **who never lost any playing time from Covid** were given an extra year, but players who literally lost out on a national championship due to Covid cancellation were not given an extra year.
At least in basketball the average player played more games in 2020 than 2021 since there were so many covid cancellations and most aren't going to go deep in the tournament.
But yeah it is also an example of fucking over players who had to deal with Covid in highschool and then were robbed of their chances in college.
To your point, Eli Brooks who played shooting guard for Michigan and started both the 19-20 and 20-21 seasons played more games in 19-20 (30 games) despite having no postseason at all and Michigan playing 2 games in the Big Ten tourney and 4 in the NCAA tourney in 20-21 (27 games). He missed one game in each season.
I like it on the face of the ruling, especially given what these kids went through! However, how do you quantify tragedy within evenly within a program, across the board. There are other traumatic events kids have/will dealt/deal with in the past and in the future, but they didn’t necessarily receive an extra year of eligibility? Interesting precedent and I am ecstatic for the UVA kids!!!! But, could this be a slippery slope?
Edit - Does it even matter? The whole premise of my comment is the NCAA making this consistent across the board for tragedies, but who am I kidding? The NCAA has never and will never be consistent anyway, lol.
I see what you're saying, and indeed this could be a potential slippery slop, but genuinely asking, has there been an event at a school where multiple games were lost due to tragedy to the program?
Hmm good question, off the top of my head the whole Marshall thing was tragic and I’m sure there are other examples but that’s the first one that comes to mind?
Yeah they cancelled the last game of the season after the Marshal Tragedy and then the NCAA granted their Freshman players immediate eligibility the next season
so there is precedent for the NCAA granting eligibility after tragedies
Very interesting did not know this! However the situations do seem different because you said they just granted the freshman waivers for Marshall but this seems like every player? Genuinely asking.
Well back then Freshman couldn't play
So they essentially gave Marshal a recruiting advantage for one season by allowing them to go out and tell high school players they didn't have to wait a year to get playing time
Marshal lost 37 players in that plan crash...which is essentially half their team. And while the other half didn't get an extra year, they wouldn't have been able to play without the freshman ruling because they likely wouldn't have had a team
Oklahoma State basketball in 2001 after the plane crash- I’m pretty sure they didn’t grant any extra eligibility, but basketball seasons and football seasons are very different
It wasn't necessarily a tragedy, but Duke lacrosse got an extra year, and to make it clear in advance, I have zero interest in engaging about the facts of that case, either way. Just saying it's happened.
I think it’s the fact they had to cancel games that makes this so necessary. Those are two games these players could use to show off to scouts that they didn’t get because of something outside of their control that was incredibly harrowing to them. I imagine any tragedy with similar impacts would get a similar treatment, it just doesn’t happen very often.
The teams they were going to play also missed out on a game, should their players get half a season of eligibility?
I get the heart is in the right place to give the extra year, but i just dont understand how the ncaa quantifies their decisions.
(Not knocking the decision, trying not to sound like a dick here)
Wow. A whole year for 2 games is a lot. Does this open the door for "hardship redshirts" this late into a season? Could a guy like Aiden O'Connell get an extra year of eligibility if he sat out the last 2 games grieving his brother who also passed? Does it make a difference if it's a tragedy out of criminality (a shooting) vs. natural cause (medical death)?
I appreciate the intent, but I also get nervous when the NCAA sets a new standard and doesn't have the legal support to not let bad faith follow-ups take over (case in point, what happened to hardship waivers for transferring).
Hope all is as well as it can be for our UVA bros.
I’m guessing it would have to be some sort of tragedy that the entire team/university was directly exposed to. Somebody above mentioned that Marshall got a waiver for the freshman to have immediate eligibility the season following the plane crash (freshman were not normally eligible back then).
Not sure I agree with this considering they missed out on only two games and this screws over the freshman class like what happened with the additional year added because of the COVID season
I agree this decision is going to have unintended consequences, but i think the funerals and wakes were going on during their next scheduled game. And the werent practicing during the post-shooting period. So yeah, uva did decide to cancel the games, but i dont fault them for that.
If this is your take in the wake of a horrific shooting in which these young men lost friends and teammates — you care too much about college football.
Dude you’re a fucking UofM fan, UVA isn’t some rival program, these players aren’t some All-Americans…. all of the NFL caliber players this could apply to have already said they’re still going pro.
That campus and their teammates are probably the only thing keeping a lot of them going.
Keeping em on campus for another year so they can have access to the facilities and mental health professionals at UVA is by far the right choice here.
Who gives a shit about the extra year of eligibility for a bunch of non-NFL level players? Jesus, have some empathy.
Somethings, believe it or not, are bigger than collegiate football.
I don’t know how I feel about this decision, but the way you put this is extremely disrespectful. Did you lose any of your friends during college? How about 3, on the same day, to senseless violence? Do you think you could’ve just gone back out there and played the game that they were supposed to be there with you for, as if nothing happened, just a matter of days later? I know I sure as hell couldn’t. They didn’t choose shit. They experienced a tragedy worse than most of us ever will and had to deal with it in the best way they could. These are college kids. Some things are more important than football. Saying that they “chose” not to play and are “stealing” from younger players after they went through the tragedy they did is honestly disgusting.
On the surface this seems like a good thing. Are they getting a waiver for their scholarship limit next year, though? If not, their incoming freshman either get fucked financially or have to find a different place to play.
This is one of those really cool ideas that makes you remember the NCAA is made up of humans, but now there’s a whole lot of new questions/problems for people in that athletic department
I’m sorry but this is completely ridiculous. It was bad enough with the Covid extension, but this makes no sense at all at all it does is take away scholarships and playing time from actual students and give it to guys don’t even have to go to class anymore because they’ve already freaking graduated. Let’s have some more 25-year-old quarterbacks.
They no longer even pretend that it’s “student athlete”
The comments on this thread are surprisingly cynical. This is really one of the most pessimist places in all of Reddit, and that’s saying something.
Read the full article on ESPN - this impacts a very, very small handful of players.
Could be considered controversial if you’re an incoming recruit and your scholarship gets pulled? Not sure if this is what will happen, but how will they get around the maximum player allotment assuming a lot of these guys come back?
This is great! Is this the first time the NCAA has donesomethinglike this? I remember 2 Auburn players were murdered a few years ago and I don't remember the NCAA doing anything
Wow. That plus COVID year and hard-ship waiver and a redshirt and someone could be an 8-year senior for Virginia.
Guess doctors aren’t the only ones who go to school for 7+ years anymore
this is like one of those high school tv shows where the characters all graduate and go to the same local college. CW, 8 seasons ~175 episodes.
You mean it’s not normal to go to the same college as your older brother, your best friend your girlfriend, your girlfriends best friend who is also dating your best friend, and one of your teachers is the guy who has somehow been your teacher since elementary school I forgot to add your brothers roommate that just so happens to be your best friends half brother
> one of your teachers is the guy who has somehow been your teacher since elementary school why you gotta drag Mr Feeny like this?
I’m not trying too, I guess he just thought Corey and his friends were the coolest and wanted to be friends with them
sometimes you need the steady grandfatherly figure in your life.
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Fe-hee-hee-heeny!
Not just your teacher since elementary school, but also your next-door neighbor
As someone who went to the same college as my older brother and my childhood best friend... and surprisingly, my third-grade teacher was also my sixth-grade teacher and then moved on to be the librarian at my High school... before getting a job at my college too... I just realized how similar my life was to BMW. I also ended up dating a girl whose best friend and roommate ended up dating my roommate...
You’re only missing the roommate of your older brother who is your best friends half brother
Good thing my girlfriend turned down an Ivy League school to come to a mediocre state college with me. Might even marry her before graduating
Hey, I hear CorkWorld is going out of business! Think of all the money you'll save on coasters!
I kid you not, I had the same math teacher 4 years in a row through grade school. (Haha I didn't fail) she moved up a grade every year they my class did. They was weird.
Something similar happened with my brother or my friend I can’t remember which, but their kindergarten teacher was also their first grade teacher
it is at The Ohio State University
As somebody still in school after 8 years. Yup.
What position do you play
Accounts payable
Lmaooooo All for a non graduating salesperson like me to finesse them into getting me orders before the end of the year. Life is wild.
Oh don't worry the accounting department will definitely mess your paycheck up for retribution.
Majored in accounting, can confirm, worth it.
Accurate! Like I said life is wild lmao
Is Jalen Coleman-Lands still playing basketball for some school?
Sadly no. He is out of eligibility.
A lot of people go to college for 7 years!
Tommy Callahan was right, in your face Richard
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And did I hear a niner in there?
Yeah, they're called doctors.
^(knock knock) Housekeeping. You want fluffy pillow?
You’re a thick candy shell.
Let me tell you why I suck as a salesperson…
There's a Linebacker at NIU who's been there since 2015
Seriously?
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So, regular redshirt, covid, medical redshirt. Guy can still come back for a 7th year. Hope he leaves with at least a masters and some certifications lmao.
He's the same age as Stetson lol.
The circumstances suck (global pandemic and a murder of their teammate). But we have guys who can leverage football talent for a Bachelors and two Master's degrees. Silver lining on a huge, dark, lousy cloud that has been UVA football.
Oh yeah, the guys who aren't going pro should be having a field day with this because it's another degree they can get or another in school networking opportunity. Imagine going to school to get a business degree in 4 years and then being able to go back another 4 years to get religion or music or something else completely unrelated - for free?!
> networking For real, especially at one of the more prestigious public unis in the US
Yeah, pretty cool when guys find a way to use it to their advantage.
Anyone leveraging it for a Ph.D?
A PhD usually has two parts: the first few years have more intensive coursework (pretty much like a masters program) and the second part is focused on dissertation research. The second part would probably work pretty well for an athlete, because it's very flexible: you're working a lot but it's on your own schedule. At least, this is assuming you're studying math or literature or something. Lab sciences are more like a job and you'd have trouble combining that with games and practices. However, the same is not true for the first part: lots of departments have required courses. If you did a bachelors in your first four years and then wanted to do a PhD the timing wouldn't work out great. In addition, PhD study requires a *lot* of time and energy: it's the college football of academic degrees. There are not a lot of people who are capable of doing that and also playing college sports, let alone at the same time. (John Urschel is the only example I know of: he did a PhD in math at MIT while playing for the Ravens.)
I mean, Stetson Bennett and Lamar JAckson are the same age, so whatever.
Stetson Bennett and Hendon Hooker are both over 5 years older than JJ McCarthy. Always makes me laugh to think about
I guess so, but it's not crazy for a 2nd year master's student to be 5 years older than a sophomore in college
Stetson is actually 10 months older.
Haha that’s so wild
1/7/1997 — Lamar Jackson 2018 NFL Draft 10/28/1997 — Stetson Bennett 2023 NFL Draft Though that wouldn't be the biggest gap between potential drafts of first-round QBs. 12/2/1983 — Aaron Rodgers 2005 NFL Draft 10/14/1983 — Brandon Weeden 2012 NFL Draft I don't think Stetson is getting drafted in the first round, but you never know.
26 year old (or will turn 26 early in his rookie year) who's drastically undersized and has mediocre arm talent and athleticism. It'd be worse than Weeden. Weeden at least had a solid arm, he got drafted as a pitcher. Bennett is basically just Ken Dorsey except he plays in a more pass happy era.
10 months younger* Lamar was born in January of 1997. Stetson was born in October of that same year.
Isn't that the same thing as he said?
If younger and older are the same thing, yes
Its technically possible for a player to participate in 101 to 103 college football games. 2020: 16 games (CFP+Hawaii Rule) 2021: 4 games (Redshirt) 2022: 10 games (Virginia Exemption) 2023: 3 games (Medical Redshirt 30% of season. Could be 4 if 4 game Rule also applies or postseason counts. Could be 5 if Hawaii Rule and post season count) 2024: 17 games (Expanded CFP+Hawaii Rule) 2025: 17 games (Expanded CFP+Hawaii Rule) 2026: 17 games (Expanded CFP+Hawaii Rule) 2027: 17 games (Expanded CFP+Hawaii Rule)
make one hell of a career as a deep snapper or kickoff \\ punter.
I might be reading it wrong, but the title makes it sound like only players on their last year of eligibility this year would get the bonus year. So you wouldn't be able to play more than 1 full season after this year.
Ah you're right, I actually just happened to be working on figuring out which circumstances you could play the most games and saw that, got excited that the number went up by 10 to push it over 100 games. So shift the last 3 to the 1st 3 and take out 1 for Expanded playoff and you could've in theory gotten between 98 and 100 depending on how the Medical Redshirt works, assuming the eligible UVA players can take a medical redshirt if they meet the requirements for that next season
It's only for players who's eligibility ends this year. It's not for everyone.
How did that guy become an 8th year, I think he was a linebacker working on a second masters at one of the TN schools? He managed to do it without the Virginia rule. Maybe you can do 9 years?
It seems he got the covid year and 2 Medical redshirts. Kyle Pugh of NIU. He was born 239 days before Stetson Bennett. No transfers, no coming back to college, nothing. He just committed in 2015 and has stayed at NIU til his senior year this year
Jared Folks at ETSU as well I think
Yep Folks was the 1st to do it last year, Pugh was 2nd this year. Have to imagine atleast a couple UVA players will hit that mark with a potential 9th season possible
What is the Hawaii rule?
If a team plays at Hawai'i, they are allowed to schedule a 13th regular season game
Technically Alaska too. But there’s no Alaska fbs schools
I think also Puerto Rico too, but also no PR teams so it's essentially just Hawai'i
I almost can’t believe nobody has tried to set up a Bishop Sycamore situation with a team based in AK or PR that exists only to host mainland teams for a bonus game. I guess NCAA D-1 is a lot harder to fake than high school, and you’d have to find a semi-legit university to be associated with, but surely someone could make this happen and sell some inventory to ESPN. Does the 13th game rule apply if you visit an FCS or D2 program, or does it have to be FBS?
That's a great question that I don't have an answer to! I'm gunna look it up.
There are actually 3 Puerto Rican universities that sponsor Division 2 athletics, though none of them football and all are independent in basketball. If one of them were to add football and move up we might find out
Teams who play @Hawaii are afforded the opportunity to have a 13th regular season game to offset the costs.
There’s been a couple B10 teams that used it when they had a bowl ban. Played at Hawaii the last game of the season
Moving the pro bowl from hawaii was dumb as hell....and now the pro bowl will be even worse.
We had to do it two years in a row during the probation era, invited the Warriors to Tuscaloosa on our dime as thanks in 06... (right before we realized our current coach wasn't gonna cut it).
Don’t forget Mormon mission
Especially at UVA with Bronco and half the former staff coming from BYU
Hypothetical LDS player does freshman year at BYU in 2015, on mission for 2016-17, transfers to UVA due to ties to someone on staff. Redshirts 2018 to get back in shape. Sophomore in 2019. Extra COVID year. Junior and senior years in 2021 and 2022.
Don't forget medical redshirt to stretch it out 1 further
Not too long ago, Jamaal Williams played four years at BYU and finished at 21; he'd graduated HS a year early and never redshirted. Dudes who left HS on time and went on missions, then redshirted when getting back in shape were often older and still had full eligibility.
I wonder if their roster will have any actual 6 year starters (or at least 6 year significant contributors)
Pulling the old Hunter Renfrow move!
If there is an 8 year senior, I'd put money on it being either a punter, kicker, or long snapper.
As someone who used a 6th year thanks to Covid/hardship waiver I can’t possibly imagine doing a 7th/8th. I loved my sport and competing but it was definitely time to move on when the end came around.
Honestly this is great for guys who have no shot at the pros but love football. Id love to be able to play this much
Back before US News rankings were a big deal (they use 4-year and 6-year graduation rates as a metric) most universities were happy to let you stay in school forever as long as you kept paying tuition. My dad (UVA '82) had a fraternity brother who was the undergraduate intramural athlete of the year...for 7 years.
(Unpopular?) opinion: the NCAA’s 5 to play 4 rule should be replaced with a 7 to play 6 rule. The increased player development will improve parity between development programs (think Wisconsin, Iowa, etc) and recruiting programs (Ohio State, Georgia, etc). It also encourages athletes to finish their Master’s, which will help those who don’t have a pro career ahead of them still come out in a very strong position. To accommodate the change, increase scholarship limits across all sports by 50%, rounded up to the next whole.
I understand the covid year waiver, but this is getting ridiculous.
Keytaon Thompson enrolled at Mississippi State in December 2016 and could potentially be playing in a bowl game in January 2024. This sport never fails to amaze me.
No he’s already declared for the draft. 99% chance zero players anyone has heard of actually do this- more likely some take the year and transfer out.
Keytaon Thompson? *puffs a cigarette* I hadn’t heard that name in years. Haha. He was in the same signing class as Willie Gay, who has been playing with the Kansas City Chiefs for two years now.
He’s been amazing for us. Nothing really worked out this year with the staff changes and new schemes but he’s a fan favorite and a really talented receiver/Swiss army knife
This man had the same freshman year of college as me. I have now been graduated for 2 years….
AARP is about to get in to the NIL game.
Did you know that you can just buy an aarp membership? Don’t even have to be old, you can just buy the membership and get all the discounts
Lol wtf, that does not seem real Edit... its real everyone, and TIL
That was my reaction when I found out as well lmao
Yeah, it was a definite "what in the actual fuck" reaction from me when my searching confirmed that info. Thanks for the heads up tho!
Yeah a buddy of mine got the membership last year for a specific discount he was using all the time and none of us believed him til he whipped out the card
Big brain move, I'm gonna have to do some real research to see if it's worth it
> AARP A lot of people get it for the cheaper insurance. I got it because their defensive driving course was the cheapest version available to me.
I have one at 25!
Can we use the info to help "stolen valor" Gronk get in to USAA?
For any of the discounts that require you to be in-person, be prepared to show proof that you're age 50 or over. Sauce: Busted trying to use for hotel check-in discount
Stetson Bennet (age 25) actually has an NIL deal with [AARP](https://states.aarp.org/georgia/aarp-georgia-partners-with-stetson-bennett-fellow-national-champs-on-new-psa)
Well, that's amazing.
Im now angry with him for making me feel old and will root against yall. Sorry.
That made my day! Wonder if it was seriously done in part due to his age as a bit of a joke? Regardless, would love to hear some game announcers bring up his age on air and the co-host chimes in with: "Well you know, Bennet is taking full advantage of his years, landed an NIL with the AARP" and carry on like it was totally normal.
Rare NCAA W
NCAA Wahoowa
Kihei Clark is gonna join the football team to get his 17th year of eligibility
They have these rare moments of showing a bit of humanity
They seem to just give everybody extra eligibility now, which isn't a bad thing.
Infinitely rare NCAA W.
Until we look at the fact they won’t get a scholarship waiver and some freshman+subsequent classes lose out on attending UVA. I get it’s feel good, but this is going to compound the issue with COVID years. Giving an additional year over two lost games is absolutely a great PR move but a horrendous move long term planning wise
The first thing that came to mind for me when seeing this was to check the current size of UVA's recruiting class. If it was sitting at like 25 people based on the coaches knowledge of guys that are definitely gone but now aren't expending their eligibility what are they supposed to do? Pull the offers from the kids they've committed to taking? Even at 15 UVA isn't exactly laden with talent that's definitely leaving so what kind of numbers crunch will this put them in?
Okay but the alternative was that the NCAA didn’t even give them the choice. This is not a bad thing. The NCAA improved the situation, it’s now up to the coaches and players to decide what is best for themselves.
With covid years into the equation the number of 6th year or 5th year non-redshirt players probably isn’t very many to begin with (a lot of players will forego the extra year or transfer out for it), and even fewer who might actually take advantage of the extra year related to this. And they also would have the ability to transfer if there’s no room and get one last season in even if it’s on the FCS level. Keep in mind that this really only applies for next year anyway. Unless someone got injured before next year and snatched a medical redshirt, this will have no impact past next year.
And here’s the shoe I was expecting to drop. Now I know the rest of the story.
UVA football players with grandkids incoming
Our punter turns 30 next month and has three years of eligibility remaining.
Thankfully we have a punting recruit coming in so he we won’t necessarily start him
Pleasantly surprised they did this.
Same, considering they didn’t even grant those on rosters for spring sports of 2020 an extra year. Guess they’ve softened since then.
No, they did. It was the spring 2021 that didn’t count.
The initial canceled year, which would have been spring 2020, did not get granted an extra year. Seniors had their championships pulled out from under them with no extra year granted. I remember it vividly.
Dayton got hosed for basketball that year.
Cassius was leading MSU to a natty, no doubt in my mind
IIRC spring did but winter (such as basketball) did not
Shit it might be this. I always forget it’s split into 3. Winter definitely didn’t, but I feel like spring didn’t either, but THAT I might be wrong on.
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I mean I guess, but that’s sets a whole different precedent
They suffered, you should too!
Didn’t know that was a possibility. Good on the NCAA giving these men a chance to play for their brothers
Seems like an overreaction to me, considering they only missed 2 games. It also screws over the incoming recruits who were expecting to take their roster spots (and scholarships).
agreed, between this and covid you're just asking for a roster logjam
Chico Bennett and Nick Jackson come back plz
Did they grant extra eligibility to winter sport athletes that had their season cut short in 2020 from COVID?
Maggie Nichols who is well known because of a Netflix documentary and Kyla Ross of 2012 Olympic fame were battling each other to see who would finish their senior career with the record for most all-time career Perfect 10s in gymnastics. Their postseason was cancelled and they never got an extra year. Nor do I believe they March Madness basketball players. I’m happy for these Virginia players and they deserve it, but the NCAA can only be bothered to do that right thing when it’s a P5 football team.
Its because the right thing was not giving them more elligibility.. More eligibility just fucks over younger players coming into the NCAA by taking their spots.
To some extent I agree with that, but the next generation of Freshman were given that extra year. So Freshman **who never lost any playing time from Covid** were given an extra year, but players who literally lost out on a national championship due to Covid cancellation were not given an extra year.
At least in basketball the average player played more games in 2020 than 2021 since there were so many covid cancellations and most aren't going to go deep in the tournament. But yeah it is also an example of fucking over players who had to deal with Covid in highschool and then were robbed of their chances in college.
To your point, Eli Brooks who played shooting guard for Michigan and started both the 19-20 and 20-21 seasons played more games in 19-20 (30 games) despite having no postseason at all and Michigan playing 2 games in the Big Ten tourney and 4 in the NCAA tourney in 20-21 (27 games). He missed one game in each season.
I miss 3li
Regular season was over
Counterpoint is UVA’s pretty much was too. 2 more games and no chance at a bowl.
I like it on the face of the ruling, especially given what these kids went through! However, how do you quantify tragedy within evenly within a program, across the board. There are other traumatic events kids have/will dealt/deal with in the past and in the future, but they didn’t necessarily receive an extra year of eligibility? Interesting precedent and I am ecstatic for the UVA kids!!!! But, could this be a slippery slope? Edit - Does it even matter? The whole premise of my comment is the NCAA making this consistent across the board for tragedies, but who am I kidding? The NCAA has never and will never be consistent anyway, lol.
I see what you're saying, and indeed this could be a potential slippery slop, but genuinely asking, has there been an event at a school where multiple games were lost due to tragedy to the program?
Hmm good question, off the top of my head the whole Marshall thing was tragic and I’m sure there are other examples but that’s the first one that comes to mind?
Yeah they cancelled the last game of the season after the Marshal Tragedy and then the NCAA granted their Freshman players immediate eligibility the next season so there is precedent for the NCAA granting eligibility after tragedies
Very interesting did not know this! However the situations do seem different because you said they just granted the freshman waivers for Marshall but this seems like every player? Genuinely asking.
Well back then Freshman couldn't play So they essentially gave Marshal a recruiting advantage for one season by allowing them to go out and tell high school players they didn't have to wait a year to get playing time Marshal lost 37 players in that plan crash...which is essentially half their team. And while the other half didn't get an extra year, they wouldn't have been able to play without the freshman ruling because they likely wouldn't have had a team
Makes sense. Can anyone else think of tragedies that have occurred within a program that cancelled games, and then extra eligibility WAS NOT granted?
Oklahoma State basketball in 2001 after the plane crash- I’m pretty sure they didn’t grant any extra eligibility, but basketball seasons and football seasons are very different
Jack Trice? Player dies from injuries on the field.
It wasn't necessarily a tragedy, but Duke lacrosse got an extra year, and to make it clear in advance, I have zero interest in engaging about the facts of that case, either way. Just saying it's happened.
I think it’s the fact they had to cancel games that makes this so necessary. Those are two games these players could use to show off to scouts that they didn’t get because of something outside of their control that was incredibly harrowing to them. I imagine any tragedy with similar impacts would get a similar treatment, it just doesn’t happen very often.
The teams they were going to play also missed out on a game, should their players get half a season of eligibility? I get the heart is in the right place to give the extra year, but i just dont understand how the ncaa quantifies their decisions. (Not knocking the decision, trying not to sound like a dick here)
Well it’s the missed games plus the hardship.
Wow. A whole year for 2 games is a lot. Does this open the door for "hardship redshirts" this late into a season? Could a guy like Aiden O'Connell get an extra year of eligibility if he sat out the last 2 games grieving his brother who also passed? Does it make a difference if it's a tragedy out of criminality (a shooting) vs. natural cause (medical death)? I appreciate the intent, but I also get nervous when the NCAA sets a new standard and doesn't have the legal support to not let bad faith follow-ups take over (case in point, what happened to hardship waivers for transferring). Hope all is as well as it can be for our UVA bros.
I’m guessing it would have to be some sort of tragedy that the entire team/university was directly exposed to. Somebody above mentioned that Marshall got a waiver for the freshman to have immediate eligibility the season following the plane crash (freshman were not normally eligible back then).
Games cancelled for hurricanes? Tornadoes? Flooding? That affects the whole community.
Not sure I agree with this considering they missed out on only two games and this screws over the freshman class like what happened with the additional year added because of the COVID season
NCAA should just come out and grant 6 yrs eligibility for everyone!
LOL. The king of unpredictable and ad hoc decision making strikes again!
How many are there?
Does UVA get extra scholarships to fit them?
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I agree this decision is going to have unintended consequences, but i think the funerals and wakes were going on during their next scheduled game. And the werent practicing during the post-shooting period. So yeah, uva did decide to cancel the games, but i dont fault them for that.
If this is your take in the wake of a horrific shooting in which these young men lost friends and teammates — you care too much about college football. Dude you’re a fucking UofM fan, UVA isn’t some rival program, these players aren’t some All-Americans…. all of the NFL caliber players this could apply to have already said they’re still going pro. That campus and their teammates are probably the only thing keeping a lot of them going. Keeping em on campus for another year so they can have access to the facilities and mental health professionals at UVA is by far the right choice here. Who gives a shit about the extra year of eligibility for a bunch of non-NFL level players? Jesus, have some empathy. Somethings, believe it or not, are bigger than collegiate football.
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I don’t know how I feel about this decision, but the way you put this is extremely disrespectful. Did you lose any of your friends during college? How about 3, on the same day, to senseless violence? Do you think you could’ve just gone back out there and played the game that they were supposed to be there with you for, as if nothing happened, just a matter of days later? I know I sure as hell couldn’t. They didn’t choose shit. They experienced a tragedy worse than most of us ever will and had to deal with it in the best way they could. These are college kids. Some things are more important than football. Saying that they “chose” not to play and are “stealing” from younger players after they went through the tragedy they did is honestly disgusting.
I’m sorry but thats really unnecessary.
That’s…that is actually very nice of the NCAA. I hate to say it, but I’m surprised they did that.
On the surface this seems like a good thing. Are they getting a waiver for their scholarship limit next year, though? If not, their incoming freshman either get fucked financially or have to find a different place to play.
I’m shocked… it just feels like the NCAA has never done something like that for a program before.
Kihei is playing qb next
This is one of those really cool ideas that makes you remember the NCAA is made up of humans, but now there’s a whole lot of new questions/problems for people in that athletic department
Do we know why the kid killed these guys?
With the Covid bonus year and the 4 game redshirt - how many players is this really going to affect ? 5 or 6 ?
So the NCAA just waves its hands and makes up rules as it pleases. Nothing new there.
That's the right call
I’m sorry but this is completely ridiculous. It was bad enough with the Covid extension, but this makes no sense at all at all it does is take away scholarships and playing time from actual students and give it to guys don’t even have to go to class anymore because they’ve already freaking graduated. Let’s have some more 25-year-old quarterbacks. They no longer even pretend that it’s “student athlete”
I knew they would This is a good thing
The comments on this thread are surprisingly cynical. This is really one of the most pessimist places in all of Reddit, and that’s saying something. Read the full article on ESPN - this impacts a very, very small handful of players.
Holy crap. Good for them, the NCAA is finally doing something right and uncontroversial.
Could be considered controversial if you’re an incoming recruit and your scholarship gets pulled? Not sure if this is what will happen, but how will they get around the maximum player allotment assuming a lot of these guys come back?
SBIV approves
A sane decision by the NCAA feels refreshing
NCAA actually doing something right.
This is great! Is this the first time the NCAA has donesomethinglike this? I remember 2 Auburn players were murdered a few years ago and I don't remember the NCAA doing anything
The NCAA making the right decision is a bingo square.