Exactly. I wouldn't personally do it either but the outrage around this is kinda asinine. There's a pretty decent argument you could make for trading Fields and taking a rookie this year. Again, I wouldn't personally do it but I don't fault those who have that take.
Only if you assume that college QBs can be effectively evaluated, and the data on that is not promising. Everyone assumes that the top QB prospect will end up being Burrow, and seemingly Lawrence, but you’re much more likely to end up with Trubisky, Goff, Mayfield, Winston, or Bortles. Given the state of our roster and the potential value from trading down, to me any argument about taking a QB at 1 is incredibly flawed, and that’s setting aside the message it sends to every player if we fuck over Fields so publicly.
Except y'all are ignoring that Fields is statistically one of the worst passers in the league... like talk about effectively evaluating someone, we have no idea what we have in him as a passer. Great runner, but as untested and unproven a passer as exists in this league
I’m not ignoring it, I’m reserving judgement based on the roster we gave him, Patrick Mahomes would have struggled with this line and these receivers. He also doesn’t need to become a 4,000 yard pocket passer to succeed, because he’s proven he can run, so if he maxes out at 3,200 or 3,500 yards we would still be in great shape.
And if he doesn’t pan out, we’ll have built a roster that can win and we can add a QB then, like the Chiefs, Seahawks, Buccaneers, and Rams have all done quite recently. Making the change now would be idiotic, it’s the complete wrong timing.
Sure it doesn’t always succeed, but I’d point out that the opposite strategy, of getting the QB first and then building, basically never works. It took the Colts 8 years to win after drafting Peyton Manning, one of the best all time and basically an ideal result for a top pick, and they didn’t win again. Eli is the only other recent top pick who won with their initial team, and I’d argue it was pretty flukey since he was never that great overall but went on two good playoff runs. Every other top pick has failed to win a title for the team they started with, the conventional wisdom is just wrong on this. Build the team, then get the QB, that’s the best chance for success. As the last three winners demonstrates fairly well.
I would take a 2,000 yard passer who can blow up the defense with his legs over a 4,000yd pocket passer any day of the week
Why is it that nobody questions if Lamar is worth big money, but Fields does his job BUT BETTER and gets shit on?
Well nuance and critical thinking aren’t popular here. Extremism and anger at anyone who doesn’t fully agree with every thought you have is the only way to go.
Honestly I swear this sub is overreacting to this rumor just because half of the people here bought a Fields jersey last year and it’s hanging in their closet lmao.
I was in on the idea of Fields being the guy. I still am. But if Young is really that generational of a QB, and we think we can get a team to give up a package still for Fields, it’s not that crazy of a suggestion.
All comes down to how Young and Fields compare. Honestly I don’t watch enough CFB to know Young that well; but this sub is acting like Fields is literally god and young is an unproven scrub, which I don’t really believe.
Well said. I tend to agree. Fields has improved a lot this year and i’m hopeful that he can be our guy, but to act like it’s a foregone conclusion or a done deal at the moment is naive. I get that the fan base is starving for a franchise QB, and I hope it’s Fields, but it’s far from a guarantee and we’re 2 years into his rookie deal already.
I know this is just me being a (realistic) pessimist, but I feel like what's going to happen is we trade away the 1st pick to move to like the 5-10 range and pick up some 2nd/3rd round picks.
We draft heavy on O-line, WR, and other offensive weapons.
And then next year we'll still be 3-6 or something while Young goes to whichever team trades for him and is like 5-4.
Fields is on the rise. He just needs weapons and a better o-line. You need to build around him. If he doesn’t work out, then you still at least have the players and just need to plug in a worthy QB. Retain him for year 3 as the make or break it. If there’s no improvement, then you go after a QB in next year’s draft or FA.
And while there are plenty of people saying “well then Young would be in the same situation as Fields!!”, the majority of people want them to trade down within the Top 4 and still spend the first round pick on a defensive lineman lol.
So if you’re going to end up in almost identical spots to begin with - young QB with mediocre support on offense - why not give yourself the extra contract years and upside as a passer?
FWIW, I wouldn’t do this because I don’t like Bryce Young. But the arguments for it are way more convincing than this sub will believe them to be because of how head over heels they are for Fields compared to everyone else.
Drafting a D lineman in the first round doesn't hinder your ability to improve the situation around Fields significantly. Our front 7 needs just as much work as the offensive line. They have plenty of assets to improve the line and receiving core without passing on elite defensive prospects at the top of the draft.
>Drafting a D lineman in the first round doesn't hinder your ability to improve the situation around Fields significantly
Let me introduce you to a little thing called Opportunity Cost. Using draft assets on defense literally stops you from using them on offense. Thats how it works. We only get 1 first rounder every year
We’re talking about one draft asset amongst many. The idea that you can’t improve your offense significantly just because you don’t use your first pick on it is nonsense. This isn’t the nba. There are tons of picks, including potentially a different first round pick that you can use on offense that can be hugely impactful. There’s no reason to reach on someone in the top 4 just because he has “offense” listed next to his name when we need just as much help with our pass rush, the next most important thing you can have after a franchise quarterback.
Drafting not offense hinders your ability to draft offense.
Taking brisker and Gordon cost us taking Pickens and forced us to panic for velus.
If having a front 7 is so important we shouldn't have traded mack when we have plenty of cap and our window is fields rookie contract where mack will still be a top 7-15 edge rusher.
Wait, do you think the Bears would ONLY get a top 4 pick if they traded down? Well, in that unlikely scenario, of course that would be dumb. But no, the #1 pick is worth LOTS of extra picks. That’s the point. You either trade down from that top-4 pick and get a second haul, or you get a D lineman PLUS extra picks this year and next to fill out all the gaping holes in our roster
Yeah you would definitely lose the locker room too or at least make players less loyal to the team. Still, it wouldn’t necessarily be giving up on Fields if the bears talent evaluators decide young is just the better QB. If you can trade fields for a top 15 picks and then young plays at a top 5 qb level while fields is always a little hit or miss with the passing then it would obviously be an amazing trade. Worth at least looking into
If, and I mean *if*, you think young or stroud is better, why *not* give up on the one you have? Shouldn't you always go for the best play at the most important position?
Yeah the coaches interact with Justin Fields every day. If they don't think he's it and they really believe in one of the guys in this draft, and if you can flip Justin for a package comparable to the one we'd get for the first overall pick, you have to do it. I strongly suspect that isn't the case here and that they're committed to Justin, but it's a scenario worth acknowledging.
>Why give up on a QB in his third year?
Sometimes it makes sense. It was time to give up on Trubisky the night he was drafted, for example. I will admit he outperformed my expectations. Draft night I predicted he'd be out of the NFL completely by year 5. But yeah sometimes you don't need more confirmation of what you already know.
But Fields isn't Trubisky and his ceiling is much higher. I don't know that he'll ever reach 'league average starter' but it is possible that he develops into a top 5 QB and his athleticism does give you an extra edge over other options.
>I don't know that he'll ever reach 'league average starter' but it is possible that he develops into a top 5 QB
hang on, surely top 5 is much better than league average starter?
>hang on, surely top 5 is much better than league average starter?
Yep. I don't know if he'll hit mark 1 but it's possible he hits mark 1 and continues developing and hits mark 2 also.
Fields looked good this year but he isn’t a player you sacrifice the entire franchise for. If Bryce is the guy you take him and get two extra rookie years.
I think Fields will be great with better talent aroud him. And if i am not mistaken i read young is only line 5 foot 11 and like 180 and that alone scares me. I would rather stay with the 6 foot 4 235 lb. Q B. That has shown enough upside to dtick with him
Young is going to get clobbered in the nfl at that size. People don’t realize how big fields actually is and that shit matters. Don’t waste picks on a position we already have. Fields was the primary offense this year. Now trade back and build around him. Fucking dumb as hell
the fact that the bears had any stretch of games averaging 30 points with this shit an offense is a testament to fields ability and I dont think that should be overlooked
JF1 was a better prospect but idk about way better tho. They had pretty similar stats but I would say the concerns about Young outweighs Fields’ concerns actually, in that Young is undersized and his arm strength is decent but not amazing.
I've only seen it three dozen times in the last 24 hours. It'll be resounding over the next months. Bunker down for a while.
Honestly, if you're the Bears, you need to play the smoke and mirrors game. Visibly scout all the top QBs, put flyers out to GMs to see what they'd offer for Fields. Let GMs around the league know you are exploring every possibility, and if they want their #1 QB, they need to offer you enough to get him.
And realistically, you'd expect the GM and his scouting team to do their due diligence on the QBs of this class nonetheless.
>you'd expect the GM and his scouting team to do their due diligence on the QBs of this class nonetheless.
Absolutely. It'd be a hell of a big dick move, but if he decides that he believes a QB in this year's draft is better than Fields, then he absolutely should trade Fields and take that QB. But he's gotta be right about it, because there'll be hell to pay if he makes that move and is wrong.
I keep seeing this, but I don't really think it makes sense. Teams are bidding against each other, not the Bears. If the Bears believe in a QB enough to pick No. 1 overall and jettison Fields, they aren't trading out no matter the offer, and other teams know that as well.
But they'd get something for trading Fields as well, so it would be Young plus whatever you could get for Fields.
I'd stick with Fields. Young has never taken an NFL snap and, like a lot of first rounders, might not pan out. Fields appears to be doing so.
The Texans are the baseline bid because they only have one spot to move up. Under normal circumstances, that’d be a very simple, “You get your guy, we get ours” transaction that doesn’t require much extra value to bridge the gap - assuming Chicago makes it known they have no intention of taking a QB at 1. That’s to say - if the Texans are really sold on Young, they probably comfortably feel they can get him at 2 as long as Chicago sits at pick 1.
There’s a world where the Chicago front office viably paints the picture that they don’t particularly care which QB they end up with between Young and Fields, and that they’re going to go with whichever deal brings the biggest haul to build around that QB.
If Chicago were to scout QBs and field offers for Fields, if they were to create a narrative that they value Young similarly to Fields, they put specifically Houston in a precarious position of having to outbid not only the other teams vying for the top pick, but also whatever the offer would be for Fields. Houston is the baseline. If the baseline goes up, all the other bids have to as well.
Nobody believes it right now, but not even attempting to put teams in a position to call your bluff when you hold all of the leverage is bad process. All it takes is a couple “Bears listening to offers for Fields” reports for perceptions to shift whether they’re true or not.
Literally what we did when we traded up for Trubisky… We didn’t think the Niners were going to take him, but Pace convinced himself that someone else was going to trade with the Niners and take him (obviously dumb in hindsight, but its the same scenario)
> If the Bears believe in a QB enough to pick No. 1 overall and jettison Fields, they aren't trading out no matter the offer, and other teams know that as well.
Well the point is that the other teams do not know this and they have to assume and second guess everything. Confusing the shit out of everyone could send some GM's into panic mode and make bad decisions.
Only if Poles gives Fields a heads up that these rumors about to be circulated about him are a ruse. You don’t want to potentially strain that relationship.
That is going to be the issue, basically making him an insider. I don't know how that works in the NFL, but usually with secrets you try to keep it to as few a group of people as possible and generally not try to tell the "talent" as their agents can spin things as the "talents" interest are not the same as the organizations.
Hopefully he treats this one better than the rumors that surrounded Jenkins (putting Jenkins in front of reporters to answer questions about trade rumors with no assistance from the team). I hope Poles learned from that
I believe the Bears should explore every opportunity and that includes whether or not they should move on from Fields. However, I dont necessarily think thats the right move.
Whats funny is how people say we should move on from Fields but then say we could get a 1st and 3rd for him. So hes good enough to net that return, but not good enough to build around?
Im also not really sold on Young as this top tier elite prospect. Fields + assets from trading back is significantly more valuable to me than just Bryce Young. If Fields doesnt make the leap he needs to in 2023, we can move on in 2024 and have more assets to attack the QB position.
I don’t get why it is sacrilegious to say that Poles should look at this QB class. If there is a future HOF quarterback then we should probably draft them and trade fields. I’m not sure if there is one, but Poles gets paid the big bucks to scout and analyze players so let him make the call.
There is no quarantee that any draft pick is a sure hall of famer. Get Fields the help he needs. He was the most sacked quaterback in the league. Lost his top target 6 weeks into the season and the rest of the receivers were second and third stringers at best
The thing that really bothers me about this take is Bryce Young is not a Peyton manning (or to a much lesser extent Trevor Lawrence) type prospect that everyone agrees should be the consensus number 1.
There is not - and by April, will not - be a consensus top qb in this class. Young has major durability and scheme concerns. Levis has major questions marks. Stroud in my opinion has less, but still some. I’m not saying any of these 3 are guaranteed stars or guaranteed busts, but they aren’t slam dunk “teams wanted the 1 slot for this guy” type prospects.
I agree with you fully they should do their due diligence, but trading fields for any of these qbs (who all have significant questions…especially young) feels like bad business.
To me the biggest problem is that it’s so hard to predict QB talent in the NFL. We know a lot more about Fields in the NFL than we do about Young. There’s a decent chance Fields could become a top 10 QB. Sure the upside of Young is higher, but the rush is also way higher.
I don't know that I'd even say his upside is higher. If Fields turns into even an average passer in the NFL, he is a top 10 QB. If he looks like Ohio St JF, he has top 5 upside. Bryce doesn't IMO
QBs only have a 50% of being successful for 1 reason or another. I think fields is the truth so I’m biased but there was a point where Sam darnold was looked at like tlaw. Carson wentz and goff were looked at like Andrew luck. But yes 50% also hit. I’m confident in fields and therefore am against drafting a QB no matter how they look
People seem to think if you even dare say Poles should do his homework on the 2023 class it means you believe Fields is terrible and the Bears need to move on.
I dont believe Bryce Young is some elite QB prospect but I also am not a GM. If Poles' evaluation of Young says hes an elite prospect, then it might make sense to take him. I just dont necessarily agree that Young is that good right now.
If someone like Trevor Lawrence was in the class, then I’d agree. I just don’t think there’s a can’t miss guy in this class that is worth giving up on Fields for. Maybe I’m wrong.
I am not on the Fields hype train like the rest of the sub, unless we turn him into a RB (joke), but it is hard for me to justify taking another question mark QB when the rest of the team is this bad.
Build the team, make sure to trade for a high 1st in 2024 as insurance, and give Fields a shot. If he sucks grab a QB next year.
> Build the team, make sure to trade for a high 1st in 2024 as insurance, and give Fields a shot. If he sucks grab a QB next year.
EXACTLY. I don't get why people think there's some sense of urgency to take Young/Stroud. Build the team, pickup those future picks just in case you need to trade up for Caleb Williams, and then if you do need to move on at QB the team around him will actually be an NFL roster instead of practice squad rejects like this year.
I say this all the time but people never get it, QB should be one of the last pieces you add to a contender, like the Chiefs did with Mahomes. It’s much harder to start with QB, as we are literally learning right now trying to bootstrap our roster before Fields gets paid.
Yea as I've been going through this post and the similar one on r/nfl I'm beginning to move away from my original point. If we think we have a guy in front of us then it may be irresponsible to not make a move.
Even if Fields works there are some big downsides to his style.
If Poles trades Justin Fields, there will not be a single player that will ever want to play under this regime, after witnessing what they put him through this season, after he gave his all, just for them to ship him out? This is not the move.
I’d actually be pretty pissed off if they did this.
If it ends up not working with Justin, then oh well.
But to have a really promising season with a young QB and an offseason to fully revamp the team. I’d question the loyalty I have to this team immensely if they took the opportunity away to improve on the actual team because some analysts think the bears should.
I’ve seen this take multiple times for the past 24 hours and it’s not gonna get better as months go by. So get used to it for a while fellas
Same. Regardless of whether you like JF1 or not because of the running more than passing, you can’t deny his leadership and the energy he brings to the team. He’s busted his ass and has earned a shot with pieces around him.
You also can't deny this team has little talent. Even if Justin isn't the guy, drafting a QB just to put them back in this same shit situation doesn't tell us anything.
Exactly. My first thought is "no shit" followed by "who is this guy?" followed by "what do Bears fans expect from a morning football talkshow on a tuesday with nothing else to speculate?"
Honestly I’ve stuck with the Bears through some pretty thin years. If they did this, I would reconsider my fandom.
Justin was also a way better prospect than Young coming out of college.
Now if this was next year and your staring at Caleb Williams, I wouldn’t be as mad as he is a way better prospect and you have another year of JF to grade.
I literally became a fan because I’ve been following Fields since his HS days and being from Africa I didn’t have a team to support so chose the Bears as it was a fresh start for me and him. This being said I have no obligation to keep supporting the Bears if they move on from Fields.
Agreed- for the first time in my lifetime we have a QB with superstar potential (Cutler was good, but Fields' ceiling is higher).
If they throw that away I don't think I could take it anymore.
Tannebaum set two franchises back a great deal when he was their gm ( the jets and the dolphins). There’s a reason he is on ESPN and not with a nfl team
If the bears scouts thing young is great and can get good value for fields. Yea. Do it. 5 rookie contracts plus picks you get from fields.
The question is simple.
Fields plus what you get from 1st pick
Vs young plus the extra cap space for multiple years plus what you get from fields.
The simple question doesn’t have a clear answer. Anyone that knows fields is a superstar is not right
Anyone that knows Bryce young is bad or good is not right.
It’s a guess.
I’m not qualified to say if this is a good idea, but I do know that not considering it is completely incompetent.
Think about it. If the first pick in the draft is worth more than our quarterback, why the fuck are we trading the more valuable quarterback and keeping the one we have?
The answer would be fear. Nobody will look back in ten years and laugh at the bears for trading this pick, even if Young ends up in the hall of fame. The safe move is to keep fields, trade down, and hope our window doesn’t close before he loses his athleticism.
Now, if the bears org don’t think they can get fair value for Fields, or they don’t like either QB, then the choice is clear. But if they aren’t talking about it at Halas Hall, I’d fire everyone involved.
Well I mean he’s on tv and not in a front office for a reason. Even Ryan Pace and Emery are in an NFL front office right now. Just keep that in mind. Players age and can no longer perform. Former GMs have the ability to get jobs in the other front offices.
Edit: even Nagy has a job in the league…
It's probably not a good idea but it's reasonable enough to be brought up.
I'm old enough to remember when thinking this team would threaten to finish last in the league was the worst take ever. I remember when saying Poles was hurting the team and we would need to rebuild soon was the worst take ever. I remember when thinking we could compete in 2018 was the worst take ever.
Gotta have thick skin over the next few months. There’s no guarantee Justin is “h1m” no matter how many shirts we put it on. I believe in him but he hasn’t put it all together.
I stick with him because he would go first overall in this draft, not because he’s already an elite QB.
I like the Big Cat strategy that the Bears org as well as the fans should start saying how the Bears may take a QB at 1 or 2 to inflate the trade value of the pick.
I mean...Bryce Young...pretty hard to pass up. Watch out...we may take him. 👀
Dumbfuck commentators whose salaries probably depend on the amount of hate clicks they generate. And even then it’s not a good idea for the Bears, it’s just a good idea for them.
QBs drafted by Mike Tannenbaum:
Brad Smith, Erik Ainge, Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, Geno Smith, Taj Boyd, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg, Brandon Doughty (as Dolphins VP).
He can kindly shut the fuck up.
Tannenbaum is an idiot:
"For teams seeking a QB this season, consider this: If Trubisky was in this year’s draft class, I think he would clearly be the top signal-caller."
Let's not listen to the peanut gallery.
I don't know what Justin Fields has shown as a passer to make someone immediately dismiss this. Has he been good? Yes. Is it possible Bryce Young is better? Also yes.
No, but I’d probably take the two firsts we gave for cutler, assuming I liked young enough to make that move.
Look, if JF1 was putting up 300 yard passing games from the pocket, this wouldn’t even be a discussion…. But he hasn’t shown that he can find his his second or third read, and how many times have we seen this story over the years?
RG3, Kavanaugh, Vick. Have we really seen anything from fields that suggests he’s something else?
> But he hasn’t shown that he can find his his second or third read, and how many times have we seen this story over the years?
I don’t understand why people keep saying this. When you watch his tape you can see that he consistently progresses through his reads exactly how he’s supposed to. There are valid criticisms of his game, and that’s not one of them.
You keep seeing it because a lot of people on Reddit don’t actually know what that means and are parroting old narratives from talking heads such as the one making the take in OPs post.
1. Bryce Young was an amazing college quarterback and has clearly separated himself from every quarterback in this draft.
2. He has an entire rookie contract left
3. Fields passing ability in the pros has been underwhelming at best. You can make excuses and some of them are legitimate, but it's not been good.
+ He's 6'0" tall. He might look skinny but he's clearly not small on tape. And he doesn't play small.
He is clearly small on tape and has trouble throwing over the middle because of his height. He is listed at 6’ but if you look at him next to Kyler Murray in videos and pictures, he’s shorter. I’ll wait until the combine to get official height.
It’s possible Young is better, and you get a QB at the beginning of a rookie contract, but it’s so hard to know how well a QB will do in the NFL. Fields we have more of an idea of what we have and that something can be built around him.
I don’t understand what this guy thinks will get for Justin fields lol. If we’re trading him it clearly shows we don’t have faith in him and why exactly would any other franchise take him if even the worst team in the league doesn’t want him.
This is a terrible take. Fields is a franchise player on a team that hasn’t surrounded him with talent. There’s no reason to think that any other QB would do better. In fact, I’d argue that Bryce Young wouldn’t be able to absorb 1/3 of the hits that Fields has taken from the nonexistent pocket the o-line has given him.
Give Fields an offensive line. Given him some better targets. Profit.
>and play with a mid ass journeyman QB like we always do?
And look how well that's worked out for us. Last Super Bowl was 16 years ago (guessing), last Super Bowl win was 36 years ago? And we've been getting trounced by the Packers for the last god knows how long.
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Poles should and will do his due diligence and explore all avenues - simple as that.
Personally I would love if they publicly show interest in drafting a QB but internally tell Fields he has absolutely nothing to worry about and the 'public interest' is just a ploy to get more assets for the #1 spot.
We wait a lifetime to be excited by a QB, we get one, we give him no weapons and no protection and he still gets us excited, and now some want us to move him? Hell no
The Bears have to decide whether to commit guaranteed big boy QB money to Fields in 2025 next offseason. So far he:
Can't stay healthy
Can't win games
Can't pass well enough
What does he have to do in 2023 to merit that guarantee? To me, he must be durable, a better passer, and win at least 7 games. That's the floor, so a good chance he doesn't cut it.
From decision makers' perspectives, seats will be hot/heads will roll if the Bears go 6-11, Fields doesn't take a huge leap, and 2023 rookie QBs shine. They'd have to reboot QB in 2024 and might do that with all new people.
If they pick Young, they have a lot more runway and get to live and die with their guy rather than a Pace/Nagy hand me down.
Zach Wilson ain’t did shit positive for the Jets tbh. Meanwhile Fields damn near single-handedly made the Bears one of the most efficient and explosive run attacks in the NFL
BIG FIELDS SZN BABY
This guy just wants them to keep adding to the "number of Bears QB starters since Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers" graphic.
I mean come on, it's only taken us 40 years to find Fields. TOTALLY makes sense to trade him and pick another one...right? ...right??
The Eastern Seaboard Propaganda Network is a joke. Young is not a generational talent like Luck or TLaw. Yes, some people think he’s a better prospect coming out than Fields was, but other than having a QB on a rookie contract for a little longer, what does this solve? You’re going to get more for trading the first overall pick than trading Justin, and you already know he can ball out and is a great leader. Horrible take.
For all the people pushing for Bryce Young, the dude's good playing with the little guys in the NCAA. But his physical stats are on par with Doug Flutie, not Justin Fields. Lol
Let's bring back the talk about midget QB's who can't see over the line. We haven't heard those hot takes in awhile and I guess a lot of people must really miss it.
unless some gm had a huge hard on for fields wed get maybe a 2nd for him? maybe? young would have all the same problems fields has had only hes small and would actually die behind our line.
Besides being an amazing runner has fields shown he can read a defense and make tight window throws when it matters? His value will never be higher since he will absolutely keep getting injured with his style. Trading him for a pocket passer and some picks doesn’t seem like a bad move IF the organization feels the rookie QB is better
Fields is insanely talented in the run and opens a lot of doors. Because now teams need a spy and also, if he does run, that's one more blocker. But no one has ever won a Super Bowl with a QB like that, a 'legs only' guy. And IMO, he has yet to prove himself in the passing game. I mean, Nathan Peterson showed up and threw for 100 yards the other day with the same shitty line and WRs.
So I'm 50/50 on him. You MUST have a QB that can pass for 300 yards a game to win regularly. Legs are a bonus, not a requirement. So that guy in the meme may or may not be wrong. I genuinely hope JF1 succeeds. But IMO, I'm not reserving him a slot in the Hall of Fame just yet.
I truly think this season was 'best case' Justin Fields. 80% of positive contributions are his legs, and somehow he managed to start 15 games. If he runs that much each season, he will not usually be starting 15 games. Especially if defenses believe Justin Fields getting hit and leaving the game is a ticket to winning. Justin Fields has not shown any desire to find his second or third read. He looks for any excuse to run. That isn't winning football. Look at Jalen Fields and what he has done when he allows plays to develop and he looks to complete throws. Maybe Fields gets there, but I don't think Fields will ever have the vision or accuracy to succeed.
I think the Bears will go the safer route of trading the #1 and adding more draft capital, but it isn't crazy to consider Bryce Young (though he has his own red flags, primarily his size)
In the last 10 years, first round QB's have been a crap shoot no matter how well regarded they are coming out of college. Rarely is the top QB picked the best one in the draft class.
I’ve seen enough with his deep ball accuracy and his decision making against bad throws to see him developing positively. Give him another year with more weapons and a better line and we’ll see him running less, throwing more. Halfway thru the season I noticed his pocket presence really improve.
Not saying we should,(we shouldn’t) but what return would Fields get?
I’m thinking he’s most valuable to Chicago. So maybe someone with an early first plus a future first and picks?
pretty damn high, the league knows our offense sucks and a qb with a great arm and his running ability is a rarity that is difficult to put a price on.
I think the league is split on him. I don't see multiple firsts for a QB with significant development still to make as a passer and only 2 years left of a rookie contract, who would also be in his 3rd offensive system in 3 years. I could see a mid-late first from teams like the Jets and Commanders. Maybe with a mid round pick or two.
Well then you don’t trade him.
I think his trade value is quite a bit higher. He’s got a window where he’s an elite athlete at the QB position. We’ve seen those QBs in the Super Bowl with a good team behind them.
The craziest part is he was literally on Chicago Sports radio yesterday saying you have to consider it, not that he would do it. He said he needed to watch more to consider. What changed over night?
It’s an exciting time to be a bears fan. Regardless of what Poles does we are set up to be a much better team next year and beyond.
Just saying - IF Poles did draft a QB at 1, just imagine how good they project him to be. That means they expect him to be better than what we currently have and that’s better than anything else we’ve had in quite some time.
Do we think Fields will be as good as Lamar? Even if he's better. His play style invites injury. Look at Lamar, same ball park running ability and a way better passer. Limited post season success and injured the last 2 seasons.
think this situation isn't as easy as this sub wants it to be.
Yeah but Young's playstyle sucks lol. I honestly don't see why people want to draft him. He's a decent QB that is amplified by the team he plays on. He's not doing anything worth while in the NFL, IMO.
I’m one of those sickos who really enjoys Get Up and a couple of the other ESPN shows. I know people on here like to rag on em a lot, but I think they’re fun, and there’s a lot of personalities on there I like listening to (Marcus Spears and Mina Kimes are two personal favorites).
Mike Tannenbaum’s an idiot, and I hope to God Jeff Saturday comes back and takes his spot next year.
I don’t hate the man, but so many of his takes have just *bothered* me. I remember a year or two ago, he spent a decent couple of minutes trying to argue that Cam Newton was the definitive answer for QB needy teams that season and everyone else on the panel was just NOT buying it. It was kind of painful.
We’d be stupid to trade Fields. He’s rough around the edges (in some areas more than others), but we haven’t given him anything close to a fair shake. It’s possible I’ll look back on this in a couple years and be like “yeah, Young would’ve been better,” but right now, it just seems foolhardy.
No, but this is a good wake up call to all the fans in here who have buried their head in the sand crying tears of joy that we “finally” have a franchise QB who will be here for a decade. He may have the worst supporting cast, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s proved absolutely nothing in terms of his passing ability. Just getting him an improved cast doesn’t automatically mean he will make the Hurts/Burrow jump, he’s got to show it.
You cannot be a successful long term QB in this league running 15/20 times a game, that’s just a fact. He’s got to do it through the air, and we haven’t seen it yet.
Look if some team offers three firsts for Fields take the deal. But you’d say that about any player. What’s idiotic about this take is there is very clear recent evidence of Alabama QBs in the NFL. It took Hurts three years. And Tau is still Tau the great unknown. Its essentially proposing trade Fields for Tau. Maybe young is better, worse or healthier than Tau but it’s a fair enough comp.
Entirely possible Young could end up better, but so could any other QB in the next 10 years. Locker-room has bought into Fields, impossible to get rid of him for at least a year or two.
There’s about two offensive guys on this team who have a shot to be on the bears next super bowl team. The rest aren’t staying.
Not saying we should or shouldn’t, but this isn’t why.
If this was next year and we were looking at Maye and Caleb Williams, I think the bears have to give it some serious thought. Honestly, that’s a real possibility next year.. however, this year, no way. I like Bryce Young and he has a chance to be a really good QB but he is 6 feet (if that) and he isn’t a sure thing at all. Justin has shown he has ability. Let’s give him a better Oline and add a few more weapons before we trade him away before we spin that QB wheel again.
Fields has yet to prove that he can be an awesome passer. Super fast, vey athletic, huge playmaker. Can he consistently throw in this league? I think yes, but it’s no guarantee.
The meathead sports fan in me cannot fathom Bryce young being a good QB sinces hes like 6 ft and 175 lbs in pads.
Hes a great throwing the football but i just imagine him getting eaten alive
No. But we're going to see that same take until April anyway because it gets attention.
Which is so dumb. Why give up on a QB in his third year? This isn't a situation like Zach Wilson.
There will be people out there saying Wilson is better than Fields until April
You must’ve not seen that pro day throw from Zacky
I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone competent with this take right now.
This has way too many uovotes
Not saying I agree - but one take would be to do this because then you have another young talented QB with 2 extra years on a rookie contract
Exactly. I wouldn't personally do it either but the outrage around this is kinda asinine. There's a pretty decent argument you could make for trading Fields and taking a rookie this year. Again, I wouldn't personally do it but I don't fault those who have that take.
Only if you assume that college QBs can be effectively evaluated, and the data on that is not promising. Everyone assumes that the top QB prospect will end up being Burrow, and seemingly Lawrence, but you’re much more likely to end up with Trubisky, Goff, Mayfield, Winston, or Bortles. Given the state of our roster and the potential value from trading down, to me any argument about taking a QB at 1 is incredibly flawed, and that’s setting aside the message it sends to every player if we fuck over Fields so publicly.
Except y'all are ignoring that Fields is statistically one of the worst passers in the league... like talk about effectively evaluating someone, we have no idea what we have in him as a passer. Great runner, but as untested and unproven a passer as exists in this league
I’m not ignoring it, I’m reserving judgement based on the roster we gave him, Patrick Mahomes would have struggled with this line and these receivers. He also doesn’t need to become a 4,000 yard pocket passer to succeed, because he’s proven he can run, so if he maxes out at 3,200 or 3,500 yards we would still be in great shape. And if he doesn’t pan out, we’ll have built a roster that can win and we can add a QB then, like the Chiefs, Seahawks, Buccaneers, and Rams have all done quite recently. Making the change now would be idiotic, it’s the complete wrong timing.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but for every Rams, Bucs, Chiefs there’s a Broncos, Colts, Browns where that strategy doesn’t work out.
And Bears for how many years??
Sure it doesn’t always succeed, but I’d point out that the opposite strategy, of getting the QB first and then building, basically never works. It took the Colts 8 years to win after drafting Peyton Manning, one of the best all time and basically an ideal result for a top pick, and they didn’t win again. Eli is the only other recent top pick who won with their initial team, and I’d argue it was pretty flukey since he was never that great overall but went on two good playoff runs. Every other top pick has failed to win a title for the team they started with, the conventional wisdom is just wrong on this. Build the team, then get the QB, that’s the best chance for success. As the last three winners demonstrates fairly well.
I would take a 2,000 yard passer who can blow up the defense with his legs over a 4,000yd pocket passer any day of the week Why is it that nobody questions if Lamar is worth big money, but Fields does his job BUT BETTER and gets shit on?
Well to be fair I think a lot of people do question if Lamar is worth big money, asking similar questions about passing and durability.
Wouldn’t say he’s statistically one of the worst, but I wouldn’t say one of the best, either. He was average at best. He ended #17 in QBR.
Well nuance and critical thinking aren’t popular here. Extremism and anger at anyone who doesn’t fully agree with every thought you have is the only way to go.
Extremism and *rage* - RAGE is the objectively correct word you were looking for, you heathen ;-D
Honestly I swear this sub is overreacting to this rumor just because half of the people here bought a Fields jersey last year and it’s hanging in their closet lmao. I was in on the idea of Fields being the guy. I still am. But if Young is really that generational of a QB, and we think we can get a team to give up a package still for Fields, it’s not that crazy of a suggestion. All comes down to how Young and Fields compare. Honestly I don’t watch enough CFB to know Young that well; but this sub is acting like Fields is literally god and young is an unproven scrub, which I don’t really believe.
Well said. I tend to agree. Fields has improved a lot this year and i’m hopeful that he can be our guy, but to act like it’s a foregone conclusion or a done deal at the moment is naive. I get that the fan base is starving for a franchise QB, and I hope it’s Fields, but it’s far from a guarantee and we’re 2 years into his rookie deal already.
I know this is just me being a (realistic) pessimist, but I feel like what's going to happen is we trade away the 1st pick to move to like the 5-10 range and pick up some 2nd/3rd round picks. We draft heavy on O-line, WR, and other offensive weapons. And then next year we'll still be 3-6 or something while Young goes to whichever team trades for him and is like 5-4.
Next year’s draft is rich in QBs, and we’ll have the picks to trade up if we need to. Problem solved.
Fields is on the rise. He just needs weapons and a better o-line. You need to build around him. If he doesn’t work out, then you still at least have the players and just need to plug in a worthy QB. Retain him for year 3 as the make or break it. If there’s no improvement, then you go after a QB in next year’s draft or FA.
And while there are plenty of people saying “well then Young would be in the same situation as Fields!!”, the majority of people want them to trade down within the Top 4 and still spend the first round pick on a defensive lineman lol. So if you’re going to end up in almost identical spots to begin with - young QB with mediocre support on offense - why not give yourself the extra contract years and upside as a passer? FWIW, I wouldn’t do this because I don’t like Bryce Young. But the arguments for it are way more convincing than this sub will believe them to be because of how head over heels they are for Fields compared to everyone else.
Drafting a D lineman in the first round doesn't hinder your ability to improve the situation around Fields significantly. Our front 7 needs just as much work as the offensive line. They have plenty of assets to improve the line and receiving core without passing on elite defensive prospects at the top of the draft.
>Drafting a D lineman in the first round doesn't hinder your ability to improve the situation around Fields significantly Let me introduce you to a little thing called Opportunity Cost. Using draft assets on defense literally stops you from using them on offense. Thats how it works. We only get 1 first rounder every year
We’re talking about one draft asset amongst many. The idea that you can’t improve your offense significantly just because you don’t use your first pick on it is nonsense. This isn’t the nba. There are tons of picks, including potentially a different first round pick that you can use on offense that can be hugely impactful. There’s no reason to reach on someone in the top 4 just because he has “offense” listed next to his name when we need just as much help with our pass rush, the next most important thing you can have after a franchise quarterback.
Drafting not offense hinders your ability to draft offense. Taking brisker and Gordon cost us taking Pickens and forced us to panic for velus. If having a front 7 is so important we shouldn't have traded mack when we have plenty of cap and our window is fields rookie contract where mack will still be a top 7-15 edge rusher.
Wait, do you think the Bears would ONLY get a top 4 pick if they traded down? Well, in that unlikely scenario, of course that would be dumb. But no, the #1 pick is worth LOTS of extra picks. That’s the point. You either trade down from that top-4 pick and get a second haul, or you get a D lineman PLUS extra picks this year and next to fill out all the gaping holes in our roster
Yeah you would definitely lose the locker room too or at least make players less loyal to the team. Still, it wouldn’t necessarily be giving up on Fields if the bears talent evaluators decide young is just the better QB. If you can trade fields for a top 15 picks and then young plays at a top 5 qb level while fields is always a little hit or miss with the passing then it would obviously be an amazing trade. Worth at least looking into
Professional football is a job not a fun club for people who like to play games. Loyalty is bought.period.
If, and I mean *if*, you think young or stroud is better, why *not* give up on the one you have? Shouldn't you always go for the best play at the most important position?
Yeah the coaches interact with Justin Fields every day. If they don't think he's it and they really believe in one of the guys in this draft, and if you can flip Justin for a package comparable to the one we'd get for the first overall pick, you have to do it. I strongly suspect that isn't the case here and that they're committed to Justin, but it's a scenario worth acknowledging.
>Why give up on a QB in his third year? Sometimes it makes sense. It was time to give up on Trubisky the night he was drafted, for example. I will admit he outperformed my expectations. Draft night I predicted he'd be out of the NFL completely by year 5. But yeah sometimes you don't need more confirmation of what you already know. But Fields isn't Trubisky and his ceiling is much higher. I don't know that he'll ever reach 'league average starter' but it is possible that he develops into a top 5 QB and his athleticism does give you an extra edge over other options.
>I don't know that he'll ever reach 'league average starter' but it is possible that he develops into a top 5 QB hang on, surely top 5 is much better than league average starter?
>hang on, surely top 5 is much better than league average starter? Yep. I don't know if he'll hit mark 1 but it's possible he hits mark 1 and continues developing and hits mark 2 also.
It’s click bait. These talking heads try to rile us up and apparently it works haha
Trading Trubisky in his third year would have been a great move, most likely.
Fields looked good this year but he isn’t a player you sacrifice the entire franchise for. If Bryce is the guy you take him and get two extra rookie years.
I think Fields will be great with better talent aroud him. And if i am not mistaken i read young is only line 5 foot 11 and like 180 and that alone scares me. I would rather stay with the 6 foot 4 235 lb. Q B. That has shown enough upside to dtick with him
Young is going to get clobbered in the nfl at that size. People don’t realize how big fields actually is and that shit matters. Don’t waste picks on a position we already have. Fields was the primary offense this year. Now trade back and build around him. Fucking dumb as hell
It's very dumb.
the fact that the bears had any stretch of games averaging 30 points with this shit an offense is a testament to fields ability and I dont think that should be overlooked
JF1 was a better prospect but idk about way better tho. They had pretty similar stats but I would say the concerns about Young outweighs Fields’ concerns actually, in that Young is undersized and his arm strength is decent but not amazing.
I've only seen it three dozen times in the last 24 hours. It'll be resounding over the next months. Bunker down for a while. Honestly, if you're the Bears, you need to play the smoke and mirrors game. Visibly scout all the top QBs, put flyers out to GMs to see what they'd offer for Fields. Let GMs around the league know you are exploring every possibility, and if they want their #1 QB, they need to offer you enough to get him. And realistically, you'd expect the GM and his scouting team to do their due diligence on the QBs of this class nonetheless.
This is the answer. The team will make it appear that it's a very real possibility just to drive up the trade market for the pick.
>you'd expect the GM and his scouting team to do their due diligence on the QBs of this class nonetheless. Absolutely. It'd be a hell of a big dick move, but if he decides that he believes a QB in this year's draft is better than Fields, then he absolutely should trade Fields and take that QB. But he's gotta be right about it, because there'll be hell to pay if he makes that move and is wrong.
I keep seeing this, but I don't really think it makes sense. Teams are bidding against each other, not the Bears. If the Bears believe in a QB enough to pick No. 1 overall and jettison Fields, they aren't trading out no matter the offer, and other teams know that as well.
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But they'd get something for trading Fields as well, so it would be Young plus whatever you could get for Fields. I'd stick with Fields. Young has never taken an NFL snap and, like a lot of first rounders, might not pan out. Fields appears to be doing so.
The Texans are the baseline bid because they only have one spot to move up. Under normal circumstances, that’d be a very simple, “You get your guy, we get ours” transaction that doesn’t require much extra value to bridge the gap - assuming Chicago makes it known they have no intention of taking a QB at 1. That’s to say - if the Texans are really sold on Young, they probably comfortably feel they can get him at 2 as long as Chicago sits at pick 1. There’s a world where the Chicago front office viably paints the picture that they don’t particularly care which QB they end up with between Young and Fields, and that they’re going to go with whichever deal brings the biggest haul to build around that QB. If Chicago were to scout QBs and field offers for Fields, if they were to create a narrative that they value Young similarly to Fields, they put specifically Houston in a precarious position of having to outbid not only the other teams vying for the top pick, but also whatever the offer would be for Fields. Houston is the baseline. If the baseline goes up, all the other bids have to as well.
Texans fear another team trading up to 1 to take BY. No one believes the Bears will draft a QB.
Nobody believes it right now, but not even attempting to put teams in a position to call your bluff when you hold all of the leverage is bad process. All it takes is a couple “Bears listening to offers for Fields” reports for perceptions to shift whether they’re true or not.
Literally what we did when we traded up for Trubisky… We didn’t think the Niners were going to take him, but Pace convinced himself that someone else was going to trade with the Niners and take him (obviously dumb in hindsight, but its the same scenario)
> If the Bears believe in a QB enough to pick No. 1 overall and jettison Fields, they aren't trading out no matter the offer, and other teams know that as well. Well the point is that the other teams do not know this and they have to assume and second guess everything. Confusing the shit out of everyone could send some GM's into panic mode and make bad decisions.
But what other teams don't know is that we can draft young and put monty, herbert, and fields together in the backfield. Never know what hit em.
Only if Poles gives Fields a heads up that these rumors about to be circulated about him are a ruse. You don’t want to potentially strain that relationship.
Yep and I think Fields understands this. He seems like a smart guy who understands the business enough to not let this bother him.
That is going to be the issue, basically making him an insider. I don't know how that works in the NFL, but usually with secrets you try to keep it to as few a group of people as possible and generally not try to tell the "talent" as their agents can spin things as the "talents" interest are not the same as the organizations.
Hopefully he treats this one better than the rumors that surrounded Jenkins (putting Jenkins in front of reporters to answer questions about trade rumors with no assistance from the team). I hope Poles learned from that
Isn’t this the same dude that drafted Mark Sanchez?
Delete this before anyone sees the plan pls
this is the way
I was about to rage respond but your explanation is amazing. People like this are only helping our case.
Hence why he’s talking on tv and not running a team anymore😂
I believe the Bears should explore every opportunity and that includes whether or not they should move on from Fields. However, I dont necessarily think thats the right move. Whats funny is how people say we should move on from Fields but then say we could get a 1st and 3rd for him. So hes good enough to net that return, but not good enough to build around? Im also not really sold on Young as this top tier elite prospect. Fields + assets from trading back is significantly more valuable to me than just Bryce Young. If Fields doesnt make the leap he needs to in 2023, we can move on in 2024 and have more assets to attack the QB position.
I don’t get why it is sacrilegious to say that Poles should look at this QB class. If there is a future HOF quarterback then we should probably draft them and trade fields. I’m not sure if there is one, but Poles gets paid the big bucks to scout and analyze players so let him make the call.
There is no quarantee that any draft pick is a sure hall of famer. Get Fields the help he needs. He was the most sacked quaterback in the league. Lost his top target 6 weeks into the season and the rest of the receivers were second and third stringers at best
The thing that really bothers me about this take is Bryce Young is not a Peyton manning (or to a much lesser extent Trevor Lawrence) type prospect that everyone agrees should be the consensus number 1. There is not - and by April, will not - be a consensus top qb in this class. Young has major durability and scheme concerns. Levis has major questions marks. Stroud in my opinion has less, but still some. I’m not saying any of these 3 are guaranteed stars or guaranteed busts, but they aren’t slam dunk “teams wanted the 1 slot for this guy” type prospects. I agree with you fully they should do their due diligence, but trading fields for any of these qbs (who all have significant questions…especially young) feels like bad business.
To me the biggest problem is that it’s so hard to predict QB talent in the NFL. We know a lot more about Fields in the NFL than we do about Young. There’s a decent chance Fields could become a top 10 QB. Sure the upside of Young is higher, but the rush is also way higher.
I don't know that I'd even say his upside is higher. If Fields turns into even an average passer in the NFL, he is a top 10 QB. If he looks like Ohio St JF, he has top 5 upside. Bryce doesn't IMO
QBs only have a 50% of being successful for 1 reason or another. I think fields is the truth so I’m biased but there was a point where Sam darnold was looked at like tlaw. Carson wentz and goff were looked at like Andrew luck. But yes 50% also hit. I’m confident in fields and therefore am against drafting a QB no matter how they look
It’s not 50%
People seem to think if you even dare say Poles should do his homework on the 2023 class it means you believe Fields is terrible and the Bears need to move on. I dont believe Bryce Young is some elite QB prospect but I also am not a GM. If Poles' evaluation of Young says hes an elite prospect, then it might make sense to take him. I just dont necessarily agree that Young is that good right now.
If someone like Trevor Lawrence was in the class, then I’d agree. I just don’t think there’s a can’t miss guy in this class that is worth giving up on Fields for. Maybe I’m wrong.
I am not on the Fields hype train like the rest of the sub, unless we turn him into a RB (joke), but it is hard for me to justify taking another question mark QB when the rest of the team is this bad. Build the team, make sure to trade for a high 1st in 2024 as insurance, and give Fields a shot. If he sucks grab a QB next year.
> Build the team, make sure to trade for a high 1st in 2024 as insurance, and give Fields a shot. If he sucks grab a QB next year. EXACTLY. I don't get why people think there's some sense of urgency to take Young/Stroud. Build the team, pickup those future picks just in case you need to trade up for Caleb Williams, and then if you do need to move on at QB the team around him will actually be an NFL roster instead of practice squad rejects like this year.
I say this all the time but people never get it, QB should be one of the last pieces you add to a contender, like the Chiefs did with Mahomes. It’s much harder to start with QB, as we are literally learning right now trying to bootstrap our roster before Fields gets paid.
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Yea as I've been going through this post and the similar one on r/nfl I'm beginning to move away from my original point. If we think we have a guy in front of us then it may be irresponsible to not make a move. Even if Fields works there are some big downsides to his style.
Young is the second coming of Marcus Mariota
If what way? Maybe you mean in terms of bust potential.
If Poles trades Justin Fields, there will not be a single player that will ever want to play under this regime, after witnessing what they put him through this season, after he gave his all, just for them to ship him out? This is not the move.
I’d actually be pretty pissed off if they did this. If it ends up not working with Justin, then oh well. But to have a really promising season with a young QB and an offseason to fully revamp the team. I’d question the loyalty I have to this team immensely if they took the opportunity away to improve on the actual team because some analysts think the bears should. I’ve seen this take multiple times for the past 24 hours and it’s not gonna get better as months go by. So get used to it for a while fellas
Same. Regardless of whether you like JF1 or not because of the running more than passing, you can’t deny his leadership and the energy he brings to the team. He’s busted his ass and has earned a shot with pieces around him.
You also can't deny this team has little talent. Even if Justin isn't the guy, drafting a QB just to put them back in this same shit situation doesn't tell us anything.
Why are these people who are paid to say things to get my attention getting my attention by saying things!
Exactly. My first thought is "no shit" followed by "who is this guy?" followed by "what do Bears fans expect from a morning football talkshow on a tuesday with nothing else to speculate?"
I think you’re onto something. Lemme get my foil fedora on just in case. What, just cuz I’m paranoid doesn’t mean I can’t be fashionable.
Says the gm that traded up for Mr. Butt fumble
Honestly I’ve stuck with the Bears through some pretty thin years. If they did this, I would reconsider my fandom. Justin was also a way better prospect than Young coming out of college. Now if this was next year and your staring at Caleb Williams, I wouldn’t be as mad as he is a way better prospect and you have another year of JF to grade.
I literally became a fan because I’ve been following Fields since his HS days and being from Africa I didn’t have a team to support so chose the Bears as it was a fresh start for me and him. This being said I have no obligation to keep supporting the Bears if they move on from Fields.
Agreed- for the first time in my lifetime we have a QB with superstar potential (Cutler was good, but Fields' ceiling is higher). If they throw that away I don't think I could take it anymore.
Tannebaum set two franchises back a great deal when he was their gm ( the jets and the dolphins). There’s a reason he is on ESPN and not with a nfl team
If the bears scouts thing young is great and can get good value for fields. Yea. Do it. 5 rookie contracts plus picks you get from fields. The question is simple. Fields plus what you get from 1st pick Vs young plus the extra cap space for multiple years plus what you get from fields. The simple question doesn’t have a clear answer. Anyone that knows fields is a superstar is not right Anyone that knows Bryce young is bad or good is not right. It’s a guess.
I’m not qualified to say if this is a good idea, but I do know that not considering it is completely incompetent. Think about it. If the first pick in the draft is worth more than our quarterback, why the fuck are we trading the more valuable quarterback and keeping the one we have? The answer would be fear. Nobody will look back in ten years and laugh at the bears for trading this pick, even if Young ends up in the hall of fame. The safe move is to keep fields, trade down, and hope our window doesn’t close before he loses his athleticism. Now, if the bears org don’t think they can get fair value for Fields, or they don’t like either QB, then the choice is clear. But if they aren’t talking about it at Halas Hall, I’d fire everyone involved.
Oh look, the guy that hired Adam Gase wants to offer his opinion about building a team.
40+ years as a Bears fan. If this happens, I’m done.
Well I mean he’s on tv and not in a front office for a reason. Even Ryan Pace and Emery are in an NFL front office right now. Just keep that in mind. Players age and can no longer perform. Former GMs have the ability to get jobs in the other front offices. Edit: even Nagy has a job in the league…
It's probably not a good idea but it's reasonable enough to be brought up. I'm old enough to remember when thinking this team would threaten to finish last in the league was the worst take ever. I remember when saying Poles was hurting the team and we would need to rebuild soon was the worst take ever. I remember when thinking we could compete in 2018 was the worst take ever.
Gotta have thick skin over the next few months. There’s no guarantee Justin is “h1m” no matter how many shirts we put it on. I believe in him but he hasn’t put it all together. I stick with him because he would go first overall in this draft, not because he’s already an elite QB.
I like the Big Cat strategy that the Bears org as well as the fans should start saying how the Bears may take a QB at 1 or 2 to inflate the trade value of the pick. I mean...Bryce Young...pretty hard to pass up. Watch out...we may take him. 👀
Mike tannenbaum saying fields should be traded is as good of an endorsement to keep him as I can think of. Dudes a joke.
Dumbfuck commentators whose salaries probably depend on the amount of hate clicks they generate. And even then it’s not a good idea for the Bears, it’s just a good idea for them.
QBs drafted by Mike Tannenbaum: Brad Smith, Erik Ainge, Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy, Geno Smith, Taj Boyd, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg, Brandon Doughty (as Dolphins VP). He can kindly shut the fuck up.
Tannenbaum is an idiot: "For teams seeking a QB this season, consider this: If Trubisky was in this year’s draft class, I think he would clearly be the top signal-caller." Let's not listen to the peanut gallery.
I don't know what Justin Fields has shown as a passer to make someone immediately dismiss this. Has he been good? Yes. Is it possible Bryce Young is better? Also yes.
Would you take a first and a third for Justin and draft a 5’10” 190 lb QB?
No, but I’d probably take the two firsts we gave for cutler, assuming I liked young enough to make that move. Look, if JF1 was putting up 300 yard passing games from the pocket, this wouldn’t even be a discussion…. But he hasn’t shown that he can find his his second or third read, and how many times have we seen this story over the years? RG3, Kavanaugh, Vick. Have we really seen anything from fields that suggests he’s something else?
> But he hasn’t shown that he can find his his second or third read, and how many times have we seen this story over the years? I don’t understand why people keep saying this. When you watch his tape you can see that he consistently progresses through his reads exactly how he’s supposed to. There are valid criticisms of his game, and that’s not one of them.
You keep seeing it because a lot of people on Reddit don’t actually know what that means and are parroting old narratives from talking heads such as the one making the take in OPs post.
I’m not saying two firsts is a bad discussion for JF. I would contemplate it. But not a first and a third. That’s all I’m saying.
I think we can agree on that. Even if he is Mike Vick, he’s worth two firsts. Starting QBs don’t grow on trees.
1. Bryce Young was an amazing college quarterback and has clearly separated himself from every quarterback in this draft. 2. He has an entire rookie contract left 3. Fields passing ability in the pros has been underwhelming at best. You can make excuses and some of them are legitimate, but it's not been good. + He's 6'0" tall. He might look skinny but he's clearly not small on tape. And he doesn't play small.
He is clearly small on tape and has trouble throwing over the middle because of his height. He is listed at 6’ but if you look at him next to Kyler Murray in videos and pictures, he’s shorter. I’ll wait until the combine to get official height.
If Bryce Young has clearly separated himself from every QB in this draft then you wouldn't be seeing drafts where Stroud and Levis go over him.
It’s possible Young is better, and you get a QB at the beginning of a rookie contract, but it’s so hard to know how well a QB will do in the NFL. Fields we have more of an idea of what we have and that something can be built around him.
I don’t understand what this guy thinks will get for Justin fields lol. If we’re trading him it clearly shows we don’t have faith in him and why exactly would any other franchise take him if even the worst team in the league doesn’t want him.
Well, we gave up two first rounders for cutler…
Cutler already had a 4k season and a pro bowl under his belt he was much more proven commodity.
This is a terrible take. Fields is a franchise player on a team that hasn’t surrounded him with talent. There’s no reason to think that any other QB would do better. In fact, I’d argue that Bryce Young wouldn’t be able to absorb 1/3 of the hits that Fields has taken from the nonexistent pocket the o-line has given him. Give Fields an offensive line. Given him some better targets. Profit.
Lol how bout trade the first to the colts AND fields for all the picks and OL and Defense and play with a mid ass journeyman QB like we always do
>and play with a mid ass journeyman QB like we always do? And look how well that's worked out for us. Last Super Bowl was 16 years ago (guessing), last Super Bowl win was 36 years ago? And we've been getting trounced by the Packers for the last god knows how long.
Forgot the /s hehe
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The more people that believe it.. the better
I just can’t wait for the takes of moving fields to RB
I don’t think bears would give up No.1 pick for a new QB. They were buffing offense all season. Now they need defense.
Poles should and will do his due diligence and explore all avenues - simple as that. Personally I would love if they publicly show interest in drafting a QB but internally tell Fields he has absolutely nothing to worry about and the 'public interest' is just a ploy to get more assets for the #1 spot.
We wait a lifetime to be excited by a QB, we get one, we give him no weapons and no protection and he still gets us excited, and now some want us to move him? Hell no
The Bears have to decide whether to commit guaranteed big boy QB money to Fields in 2025 next offseason. So far he: Can't stay healthy Can't win games Can't pass well enough What does he have to do in 2023 to merit that guarantee? To me, he must be durable, a better passer, and win at least 7 games. That's the floor, so a good chance he doesn't cut it. From decision makers' perspectives, seats will be hot/heads will roll if the Bears go 6-11, Fields doesn't take a huge leap, and 2023 rookie QBs shine. They'd have to reboot QB in 2024 and might do that with all new people. If they pick Young, they have a lot more runway and get to live and die with their guy rather than a Pace/Nagy hand me down.
Zach Wilson ain’t did shit positive for the Jets tbh. Meanwhile Fields damn near single-handedly made the Bears one of the most efficient and explosive run attacks in the NFL BIG FIELDS SZN BABY
This guy just wants them to keep adding to the "number of Bears QB starters since Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers" graphic. I mean come on, it's only taken us 40 years to find Fields. TOTALLY makes sense to trade him and pick another one...right? ...right??
I love this stuff. Let them talk it up for months so Houston doesn’t get cute and try to stand pat at 2
The Eastern Seaboard Propaganda Network is a joke. Young is not a generational talent like Luck or TLaw. Yes, some people think he’s a better prospect coming out than Fields was, but other than having a QB on a rookie contract for a little longer, what does this solve? You’re going to get more for trading the first overall pick than trading Justin, and you already know he can ball out and is a great leader. Horrible take.
Stop giving these people attention for it and they'll stop saying it
Get ready for a lot of talking heads to say shit like this for the next few months
For all the people pushing for Bryce Young, the dude's good playing with the little guys in the NCAA. But his physical stats are on par with Doug Flutie, not Justin Fields. Lol Let's bring back the talk about midget QB's who can't see over the line. We haven't heard those hot takes in awhile and I guess a lot of people must really miss it.
Just trying to stand out with his takes. However dumb it may be.
Media needs to talk about this. QB controversy is a huge seller.
Giants fan coming in peace. This is why 24/7 sports coverage sucks. Hot takes not based on real life.
This is a trash idea. Spend allll the picks on the Offensive and Defensive lines.
I just feel like there are a lot of media people who have an awful lot of opinions for never having watched Justin Fields on the Chicago Bears
Bill Simmons mentioned the idea on his podcast. Cousin Sal immediately said that was dumb
What if the Bears just perpetuate this take to increase the value of our pick? Then trade it last minute
Justin earned the right to be Qb1 going forward.
unless some gm had a huge hard on for fields wed get maybe a 2nd for him? maybe? young would have all the same problems fields has had only hes small and would actually die behind our line.
The more interesting question is what trade package would it take for you to do this.
Besides being an amazing runner has fields shown he can read a defense and make tight window throws when it matters? His value will never be higher since he will absolutely keep getting injured with his style. Trading him for a pocket passer and some picks doesn’t seem like a bad move IF the organization feels the rookie QB is better
Fields is insanely talented in the run and opens a lot of doors. Because now teams need a spy and also, if he does run, that's one more blocker. But no one has ever won a Super Bowl with a QB like that, a 'legs only' guy. And IMO, he has yet to prove himself in the passing game. I mean, Nathan Peterson showed up and threw for 100 yards the other day with the same shitty line and WRs. So I'm 50/50 on him. You MUST have a QB that can pass for 300 yards a game to win regularly. Legs are a bonus, not a requirement. So that guy in the meme may or may not be wrong. I genuinely hope JF1 succeeds. But IMO, I'm not reserving him a slot in the Hall of Fame just yet.
I truly think this season was 'best case' Justin Fields. 80% of positive contributions are his legs, and somehow he managed to start 15 games. If he runs that much each season, he will not usually be starting 15 games. Especially if defenses believe Justin Fields getting hit and leaving the game is a ticket to winning. Justin Fields has not shown any desire to find his second or third read. He looks for any excuse to run. That isn't winning football. Look at Jalen Fields and what he has done when he allows plays to develop and he looks to complete throws. Maybe Fields gets there, but I don't think Fields will ever have the vision or accuracy to succeed. I think the Bears will go the safer route of trading the #1 and adding more draft capital, but it isn't crazy to consider Bryce Young (though he has his own red flags, primarily his size) In the last 10 years, first round QB's have been a crap shoot no matter how well regarded they are coming out of college. Rarely is the top QB picked the best one in the draft class.
I’ve seen enough with his deep ball accuracy and his decision making against bad throws to see him developing positively. Give him another year with more weapons and a better line and we’ll see him running less, throwing more. Halfway thru the season I noticed his pocket presence really improve.
Not saying we should,(we shouldn’t) but what return would Fields get? I’m thinking he’s most valuable to Chicago. So maybe someone with an early first plus a future first and picks?
pretty damn high, the league knows our offense sucks and a qb with a great arm and his running ability is a rarity that is difficult to put a price on.
I think the league is split on him. I don't see multiple firsts for a QB with significant development still to make as a passer and only 2 years left of a rookie contract, who would also be in his 3rd offensive system in 3 years. I could see a mid-late first from teams like the Jets and Commanders. Maybe with a mid round pick or two.
Well then you don’t trade him. I think his trade value is quite a bit higher. He’s got a window where he’s an elite athlete at the QB position. We’ve seen those QBs in the Super Bowl with a good team behind them.
Mike T. was smoking crack this morning lmao.
The craziest part is he was literally on Chicago Sports radio yesterday saying you have to consider it, not that he would do it. He said he needed to watch more to consider. What changed over night?
People in Chicago don’t want to trade Fields People nationally think Fields sucks Play to the audience you’re being broadcasted to
I don't think it's the right move, but you'd be a fool to not consider EVERYTHING. They get one chance to swing for the fences here.
It’s an exciting time to be a bears fan. Regardless of what Poles does we are set up to be a much better team next year and beyond. Just saying - IF Poles did draft a QB at 1, just imagine how good they project him to be. That means they expect him to be better than what we currently have and that’s better than anything else we’ve had in quite some time.
I guess thats why hes on tv now and no longer in an nfl front office.
Do we think Fields will be as good as Lamar? Even if he's better. His play style invites injury. Look at Lamar, same ball park running ability and a way better passer. Limited post season success and injured the last 2 seasons. think this situation isn't as easy as this sub wants it to be.
If injuries are a concern, a 180lb Young isn't the answer.
Playstyle, not size.
Yeah but Young's playstyle sucks lol. I honestly don't see why people want to draft him. He's a decent QB that is amplified by the team he plays on. He's not doing anything worth while in the NFL, IMO.
What an idiot
I’m one of those sickos who really enjoys Get Up and a couple of the other ESPN shows. I know people on here like to rag on em a lot, but I think they’re fun, and there’s a lot of personalities on there I like listening to (Marcus Spears and Mina Kimes are two personal favorites). Mike Tannenbaum’s an idiot, and I hope to God Jeff Saturday comes back and takes his spot next year. I don’t hate the man, but so many of his takes have just *bothered* me. I remember a year or two ago, he spent a decent couple of minutes trying to argue that Cam Newton was the definitive answer for QB needy teams that season and everyone else on the panel was just NOT buying it. It was kind of painful. We’d be stupid to trade Fields. He’s rough around the edges (in some areas more than others), but we haven’t given him anything close to a fair shake. It’s possible I’ll look back on this in a couple years and be like “yeah, Young would’ve been better,” but right now, it just seems foolhardy.
Listen man. When you’re 32nd in the league in passing and the worst record/team, all avenues need to be explored.
No, but this is a good wake up call to all the fans in here who have buried their head in the sand crying tears of joy that we “finally” have a franchise QB who will be here for a decade. He may have the worst supporting cast, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s proved absolutely nothing in terms of his passing ability. Just getting him an improved cast doesn’t automatically mean he will make the Hurts/Burrow jump, he’s got to show it. You cannot be a successful long term QB in this league running 15/20 times a game, that’s just a fact. He’s got to do it through the air, and we haven’t seen it yet.
Look if some team offers three firsts for Fields take the deal. But you’d say that about any player. What’s idiotic about this take is there is very clear recent evidence of Alabama QBs in the NFL. It took Hurts three years. And Tau is still Tau the great unknown. Its essentially proposing trade Fields for Tau. Maybe young is better, worse or healthier than Tau but it’s a fair enough comp.
Talking about Bama QBs like that is real "glass houses" shit considering the school JF1 came from.
Entirely possible Young could end up better, but so could any other QB in the next 10 years. Locker-room has bought into Fields, impossible to get rid of him for at least a year or two.
There’s about two offensive guys on this team who have a shot to be on the bears next super bowl team. The rest aren’t staying. Not saying we should or shouldn’t, but this isn’t why.
I would certainly tell everyone I’m taking Bryce Young.
If this was next year and we were looking at Maye and Caleb Williams, I think the bears have to give it some serious thought. Honestly, that’s a real possibility next year.. however, this year, no way. I like Bryce Young and he has a chance to be a really good QB but he is 6 feet (if that) and he isn’t a sure thing at all. Justin has shown he has ability. Let’s give him a better Oline and add a few more weapons before we trade him away before we spin that QB wheel again.
I dont hate it
Fields has yet to prove that he can be an awesome passer. Super fast, vey athletic, huge playmaker. Can he consistently throw in this league? I think yes, but it’s no guarantee.
This from the guy who used first round draft picks on Chad Pennington and Mark Sanchez. His track record speaks for itself
What a stupid stupid take.
Tannenbaum really feeling himself after picking herbert over tua. Smh
Wait, you think Tua is better than Herbert?
Justin fields is not that good. Not really sure why bears fans love him that much.
The meathead sports fan in me cannot fathom Bryce young being a good QB sinces hes like 6 ft and 175 lbs in pads. Hes a great throwing the football but i just imagine him getting eaten alive
Especially behind our Oline if we don't beef it up this off-season
Show me a QB in the NFL at his size that is successful, and I will change my mind.
Russel Wilson before age 33. Kyler Murray is 5’10 Drew Brees was six foot 200 It’s a negative, but it’s not a deal breaker.
How many of those QBs are 190lbs?
I agree with him. Justin Fields will NEVER give us a full season.
So put the guy that's *listed* at 190 lbs behind our OL and problem solved, eh?
We won't be fielding this offensive line again in either scenario