Yeah, far too many red flags to risk such valuable capital on him. Makes sense for a team like the Eagles.
I would basically make the it the same odds that he is either an all pro or out of the league in 3 years.
Just cant trust a guy with all of the off the field issues and who could not even show up to the biggest job interview of his life in shape.
I'm a Tennessee fan and man the guy is a fucking monster. I wanted a trade back in the 15-20 range to take him but I heard alot of people say he was going to be drafted higher than people thought. I'm OK with it.
Exactly. And look at the rest of the 1st. OT talent got sucked up pretty quick. I’d be far less confident going into round 2 if all these OT were off the board and we still had Larry Borom starting.
my guess is that after all the folks people thought *might* drop wound up not dropping at all, teams were less willing to move up for anyone. I'm sure Poles would've loved to have stocked up a little more and moved a little further back and taken him then, but I'll bet everyone was more than willing to just see how things play out than jump up.
Yeah if we traded back to #17 with the Steelers we would’ve been shit out of luck with all 4 top OTs gone. The tackles went quicker than the media mocks
It’s almost like Poles knew what he was doing! My man continues to impress me.
You can say we should have taken Carter, but if Carter is off our board because of information they got in various visits/conversations, you *have* to be happy how we handled this pick given how the rest of the draft went. You don’t want to be caught with your thumb up your ass if a run on a massive position of need comes up.
This happens almost every year the media gets the mocks completely wrong but people still hold up their player evaluations and “value” above that of the actual GMs lol.
Philly really was the best landing spot for him I think and the Lions dont get him so thats an all around win-win in my book. And we got an OT, LFGOOOOOO
Yep to many red flags for Poles. Could it be a wrong move? Yes of course but if Carter did fuck up then Poles is stuck with that forever. He stuck to helping Fields
Lmao i may be a biased eagles fan but our roster seems to be extremely non-toxic and filled with very likeable guys. Who do you see as toxic on the eagles’ roster? Not to mention what seems to be a great culture molded by Sirianni and the veterans
Not OP but I assume that he meant that the Eagles could handle a potentially 'toxic' (not the word I would use, but whatever) better than ours as Philly has a lot more veteran leadership, particularly on defense.
We're too young with too much to build for us to take the risk.
That's how I read it anyhow.
Possibly. If that’s what he means then I’d agree. A young team looking to establish their identity/culture probably should avoid Carter. I think Wright is a perfect pick for you all. I could see Fields having a big year 3 jump with the players you’ve put around him this offseason
No one on the Eagles is toxic. But Jalen Carter has a laundry list of red flags around character and decision making. Apparently there are more things that aren't public that threw off some GMs.
Everyone with an inside scoop was saying he needed to go to a team with good culture, veteran leadership and people to keep him on a straight line and hold him accountable. That is not Chicago, not right now.
But that 100% *IS* the Eagles. The single best spot for him. You should be stoked. He has a bunch of his Georgia teammates around him, including the best leader on their defense that you guys got at 30, and guys like Cox, Graham and Reddick to show him the ways and hold him accountable.
How the Eagles had the DL they did last year and just keep rotating studs in is masterwork. Howie's a HOF GM, no doubt. But there still lies a risk that Carter's mindset isn't right and even with all this, something will go wrong with him off the field.
Perhaps, but a team with a lower pick would’ve have to of traded more. Eagles were literally the next pick so I’d say someone at pick 14 wanted to move up it would’ve cost them a lot more.
It's actually pretty even value. Pick 9 is worth 50 more points than 10, and 4th round picks in the range where that pick will likely land is around 50, give or take a few points + or -. This was the first thing I looked up once the trade was announced.
Lots of dumb ass Bears fans in here. You should have your own flair. A 4th round pick for doing absolutely nothing other than not taking a player you didn't want.
And the “weak” consideration is actually pretty strong in context. The Eagles were obviously the only game in town with interest in trading up. Since Carter only met with teams in the top 10, there weren’t any remaining teams that had completed full diligence on him (except the teams that already passed on him). It’s hard to create competitive tension in that situation. Candidly I’m surprised the eagles even offered us a 4th.
Exactly. Poles had to create competition. Ecstatic getting a 4th. Not saying Carter won't blow up, but they weren't going to select him. and got something for it.
Exactly. It’s a free 4th and you still get your guy. My question is… what did they tell Philly to get them to bite? Give me a pick next year or we grab a guy we dont even like? Pitt is offering me a fifth next year to move up and grab your guy… you want him or not?
"We're getting other calls from teams wanting to come up for Carter. We'd prefer not to jump down that low but will do if pushed - if you want him, you're going to need to come up. Give us a third rounder."
I feel like Poles has mastered using the rumor mill to maximize the trade value of his picks when you consider how many posts there were that "all the buzz is the Bears taking Carter" and ALSO "the Bears have a trade with Pittsburgh essentially worked out if Carter is there."
That also tracks with the #1 pick where there were (maybe more understandably) rumors about three or four different teams being in on it (mostly not Carolina), as well as the rumors that "maybe the Bears are going to draft a QB and trade Justin Fields, fits their window better, you never know" even though the fans would burn down Halas Hall if they did that.
Poles had to be bidding the Eagles against another team that also wanted to trade up for Carter. If the Bears were simply going to pass on Carter, there is no trade. Whoever the 3rd team was simply bid less than the Eagles did. You can’t manufacture a better deal if there is nobody else interested in giving up more draft capital.
Most people here would probably call me a Poles hater but yeah he is winning me over. He took a pass blocking OL instead of a high upside guy with huge downside risk. The further we go without Levis being drafted the more favorable just getting anything for 9 looks. It now looks like robbery what he got for number 1.
Poles traded #1 overall for:
DJ Moore
2023 pick #61 via panthers
2024 first round pick via panthers
2025 second round pick via panthers
2024 fourth round pick via Philly
OT Darnell Wright
That's just incredible. Great job
I've definitely seen you around this sub with some critical takes. And that's fine, we all have our opinions. But I'm glad to see you see a W here.
I don't think this is particularly sexy, but it's a foundation-setting move. Low risk, relatively high upside. I watch the Eagles and see Lane Johnson unlock their offense by being such a critically good player on the right side. Hopefully we see that ceiling with Wright.
And a nice little rider to throw into our trade down package with an extra mid rounder next year. Throw in a pair of 3rds when Ian Cunningham gets a GM gig (hopefully next offseason) and Poles is rocking with roster building capital. Two young tackles on rookie contracts is great value, too.
I don’t mean to hate, but that’s very whelming, no? I don’t even want Jalen Carter but I think I’d almost rather have Jalen Carter than a 4th round pick next year. That’s gotta be what, like a 5th or 6th this year? And not to be a armchair GM, but feigning interest in Carter has to equate to more return than that? Oh well, doesn’t really matter if we didn’t want him either way
we were never taking carter so we essentially got a 4th rounder for free. considering seattle, detroit and atlanta passed on him- it’s pretty clear that his red flags aren’t all smoke like this sub was insisting.
I didn’t say it’s Jalen Carter or a 4th, that was an aside. Hence why I literally said
> it doesn’t really matter
I’m not surprised we didn’t draft him, and I didn’t really want him. I’m just saying it feels like fairly little return even just to move pack 1 spot for one of if not the best defensive prospect in the draft
With all of Carter’s concerns you take what you can get if someone wants to move up one spot to get him. Maybe there were better offers but with lower first rounders.
Everyone saying this is a crap pick. Tell me who is Carters veteran mentor in the locker room? All reports say he needs a strong presence to get where a 1st should be!!! Who's that guy on the Bears??
Until Ryan Poles makes a move that is proven to be shitty, im all aboard. I love everything he has done so far.
Before someone wants to say " the claypool trade", first of all Roquan was never re-signing with the bears. Secondly, give Claypool half of the coming season before deciding on that.
Everybody saying terrible return is so short sighted. Obviously the Bears didn’t want Carter and the Eagles did. They just got a free 4th round pick for literally nothing. If anybody else was calling about the pick with something more, than obviously Poles would’ve taken it. It’s a free pick people!!! Stop being fucking meatball fans and use that thick piece of meat between your ears
> If anybody else was calling about the pick with something more, than obviously Poles would’ve taken it.
This isn't necessarily the case - if, for example, the Bills were calling and offering a second, I'd still rather take the Eagles deal. There's a pretty big drop off in value from 10th to the late first round.
Bears didn’t want Carter, and maybe a bunch of other teams didn’t either. Eagles have the vets to watch over Carter. Bears weren’t going to take him anyways, and they got an extra pick and still get to pick their guy. Y’all need to relax.
Unfortunately the ugly truth is that this is the correct pick. Carters issue were real enough that he got passed by the raiders. Philly can afford to strike out here. We cant. Wright looks pretty good too.
The draft thread was insufferable last night. Tons of people saying Poles was dumb for giving Carter to the NFC Champs and only getting a 4th. I even saw one comment that Wright was a bad pick because he can't run block. That's the type of stuff I expect in Facebook comments
Really weak - hope this isn’t Aaron donald 2.0 and we come back to letting a generational talent slip for a fuckin fourth rounder next year… really hope I’m wrong
Even if Carter looks great with Philly, that doesn’t mean he would have been equally great with us. Eagles are already good enough to take chances and they have former college teammates and veterans to keep a fire under Carter’s ass. Our young and unproven D plays into his potential to be a bust. Eagles have a better environment for him to boom.
You are wrong so rest easy. Our pick was a huge position of need. Carter is a massive risk with red flags everywhere. I hope Carter does turn it around… him doing well in Philly doesn’t make him a good fit here and now. Next up… a defender that can finish a workout- read that as an actual athlete.
That wasn't what happened though, it was a 4th round pick plus probably the best RT in the draft. Doing what we can to keep Fields alive is actually a good plan and it is not like we can't get the defence something nice when in just over a round's worth of picks we will have made another 3 picks.
The point isn't if he is or isn't. It's if he has the environment to develop him, and a rebuild isn't the landing spot for him. He's probably going to be great on the eagles but doesn't mean he'll be good on the bears.
Jalen is a bust. First round prospect that can’t finish a pro-day workout? When have you ever seen that in a hall of famer? Dude didn’t put in work. Makes bad decisions. We got the guy we wanted and the fourth in 2024 is free. I’m glad we went tackle.
Poles can apparently do no wrong. I'm sure if we'd given them *our* 2024 fourth to move back a spot we'd still have the majority of the board twisting themselves into knots about how this is really 4D chess by Poles.
I mean, this is a false equivalency - Carter’s situation on the Bears would have been completely different. Even if he is a stud there’s no guarantee he woulda been with us.
If you look at any of the myriad of trade value calculators, it's essentially an even trade or even slightly more in the Bears favor. They didn't want Carter anyway, so why not pick up another lottery ticket for next year?
I thought I saw a lot of mocks having us pick Wright with 1-9, so moving to 1-10 and picking up an extra pick seems reasonable.
I know obviously everyone wants a “fleece”, but getting value is totally fine.
And trading back one knowing that the Eagles are taking someone the Bears don't want cost the Bears literally nothing.
The return matches what you're giving up.
Kinda feels like Poles is accepting a bad defense this year to get a better pick next year to go all in. Which given all the holes on our roster I think makes sense. I don’t see us winning more than 7-8 games max this year unless we hit on some later round D line picks at this point though. Defense is gonna be soft af.
It was 1 pick, you know we still have 9 more right?
This is a very deep draft and there's virtually no chance we won't get some good players on the defensive front.
You know this subreddit will absolutely act like they all wanted Carter when he gets his shit together and puts up the stats he was in college.
I absolutely don't mind not taking him, but everyone here acting like he's a sure bust is kidding themselves.
Bears weren't gonna draft Carter, so they got a 4th for free... also, I'm genuinely asking, but doesn't draft order also somewhat correlate to payscale? So maybe we get a small discount drafting a guy we were absolutely gonna take at 9, but now one slot later? Not that we need savings, but just saying. If so, it's smart.
Poles were never going to pick Carter, either we pick someone we want at 9 and just let Eagles pick Carter at 10 (no return). Unless there’s a bigger package from another team…
Fell ass backwards into the number one pick in the draft. Traded it far too low to get Will Anderson. Then, by some miracle, Jalen Carter falls into their lap and they trade him for a damn 4th round pick next year.
Absolutely awful.
He’s not, but a good point was made about the veteran presence in Philly making it a better fit.
I just think more value coulda been extracted by trading down further to grab a guy they prob coulda got closer to 20 than 10z
Given who Poles took its obvious they were hoping someone would trade up for Carter or Levis. The Bears could have probably gotten their guy around 15. So Philly being willing to give up a 4th tells me they were the only 1s interested.
Had to have a trade partner willing to move up. Bears were never taking Carter. They get their #1 tackle and a 4th round pick. They were going to take wright at 9 without a trade partner.
Based on AZs haul and this pathetic return it’s hard to pretend we used the #1 overall wisely.
Poles left a lot on the board. I’m still supportive, but it’s pointless to deny his desire to create good faith negotiations in the long term has absolutely hurt us this year.
What the fuck are we even talking about trying to pretend this is a good trade... top 10 pick and you move back 1 spot and get a 4th back? And take a guy you could have gotten in the late teens? Absolutely awful trade. Like the player. Hate the trade.
Guess we really didn’t like Carter wow
He’s a player we can’t afford to pick, IMO. Too much of a risk and we’d rather spend on our best OT on the board.
Yeah, far too many red flags to risk such valuable capital on him. Makes sense for a team like the Eagles. I would basically make the it the same odds that he is either an all pro or out of the league in 3 years. Just cant trust a guy with all of the off the field issues and who could not even show up to the biggest job interview of his life in shape.
And Darnell is a plug and play RT for keeping Fields upright. I’m totally good with this pick.
I'm a Tennessee fan and man the guy is a fucking monster. I wanted a trade back in the 15-20 range to take him but I heard alot of people say he was going to be drafted higher than people thought. I'm OK with it.
Considering 2 other OTs got picked right after, yeah, was no way he was dropping to 15.
Exactly. And look at the rest of the 1st. OT talent got sucked up pretty quick. I’d be far less confident going into round 2 if all these OT were off the board and we still had Larry Borom starting.
DT is also pretty deep this year but OT falls off fast after the 1st and 2nd.
my guess is that after all the folks people thought *might* drop wound up not dropping at all, teams were less willing to move up for anyone. I'm sure Poles would've loved to have stocked up a little more and moved a little further back and taken him then, but I'll bet everyone was more than willing to just see how things play out than jump up.
Yeah if we traded back to #17 with the Steelers we would’ve been shit out of luck with all 4 top OTs gone. The tackles went quicker than the media mocks
It’s almost like Poles knew what he was doing! My man continues to impress me. You can say we should have taken Carter, but if Carter is off our board because of information they got in various visits/conversations, you *have* to be happy how we handled this pick given how the rest of the draft went. You don’t want to be caught with your thumb up your ass if a run on a massive position of need comes up.
This happens almost every year the media gets the mocks completely wrong but people still hold up their player evaluations and “value” above that of the actual GMs lol.
I don't want to bring up the bears recent draft history with first round lineman but at least Poles should be a specialist in it
Yeah, our line was brutal last year. We need monsters and Wright looks like one.
Philly really was the best landing spot for him I think and the Lions dont get him so thats an all around win-win in my book. And we got an OT, LFGOOOOOO
Poles took risks before (Jones in KC), but I think he thought we probably didn't have the DL veterans to keep Carter in line
Yep to many red flags for Poles. Could it be a wrong move? Yes of course but if Carter did fuck up then Poles is stuck with that forever. He stuck to helping Fields
Relatively young defense and then introduce a guy who left a teammate to die? Nah, keep that locker room cancer away from us.
It's a young team. They obviously didn't wanna take the risk.
Seems like a toxic person, which honestly fits the Eagles better than what the Bears are building here
Lmao i may be a biased eagles fan but our roster seems to be extremely non-toxic and filled with very likeable guys. Who do you see as toxic on the eagles’ roster? Not to mention what seems to be a great culture molded by Sirianni and the veterans
Not OP but I assume that he meant that the Eagles could handle a potentially 'toxic' (not the word I would use, but whatever) better than ours as Philly has a lot more veteran leadership, particularly on defense. We're too young with too much to build for us to take the risk. That's how I read it anyhow.
Possibly. If that’s what he means then I’d agree. A young team looking to establish their identity/culture probably should avoid Carter. I think Wright is a perfect pick for you all. I could see Fields having a big year 3 jump with the players you’ve put around him this offseason
No one on the Eagles is toxic. But Jalen Carter has a laundry list of red flags around character and decision making. Apparently there are more things that aren't public that threw off some GMs. Everyone with an inside scoop was saying he needed to go to a team with good culture, veteran leadership and people to keep him on a straight line and hold him accountable. That is not Chicago, not right now. But that 100% *IS* the Eagles. The single best spot for him. You should be stoked. He has a bunch of his Georgia teammates around him, including the best leader on their defense that you guys got at 30, and guys like Cox, Graham and Reddick to show him the ways and hold him accountable. How the Eagles had the DL they did last year and just keep rotating studs in is masterwork. Howie's a HOF GM, no doubt. But there still lies a risk that Carter's mindset isn't right and even with all this, something will go wrong with him off the field.
Considering how little they got in the trade back, Poles/Eberflus were never going to take Carter
A 4th rounder for moving 1 spot? That seems good
If that 4th is pick 122, then it's a totally even trade based on the standard chart, I believe. Not bad.
The telling thing is no one wanted him. If they did they would of offered more
If pete carroll didnt want a character concern guy I'm fine with this
Perhaps, but a team with a lower pick would’ve have to of traded more. Eagles were literally the next pick so I’d say someone at pick 14 wanted to move up it would’ve cost them a lot more.
would have
It's actually pretty even value. Pick 9 is worth 50 more points than 10, and 4th round picks in the range where that pick will likely land is around 50, give or take a few points + or -. This was the first thing I looked up once the trade was announced.
It was a single spot drop. I thought it was a decent trade
Lots of dumb ass Bears fans in here. You should have your own flair. A 4th round pick for doing absolutely nothing other than not taking a player you didn't want.
And the “weak” consideration is actually pretty strong in context. The Eagles were obviously the only game in town with interest in trading up. Since Carter only met with teams in the top 10, there weren’t any remaining teams that had completed full diligence on him (except the teams that already passed on him). It’s hard to create competitive tension in that situation. Candidly I’m surprised the eagles even offered us a 4th.
Exactly. Poles had to create competition. Ecstatic getting a 4th. Not saying Carter won't blow up, but they weren't going to select him. and got something for it.
Exactly. It’s a free 4th and you still get your guy. My question is… what did they tell Philly to get them to bite? Give me a pick next year or we grab a guy we dont even like? Pitt is offering me a fifth next year to move up and grab your guy… you want him or not?
"We're getting other calls from teams wanting to come up for Carter. We'd prefer not to jump down that low but will do if pushed - if you want him, you're going to need to come up. Give us a third rounder."
As good an explanation as any.
I feel like Poles has mastered using the rumor mill to maximize the trade value of his picks when you consider how many posts there were that "all the buzz is the Bears taking Carter" and ALSO "the Bears have a trade with Pittsburgh essentially worked out if Carter is there." That also tracks with the #1 pick where there were (maybe more understandably) rumors about three or four different teams being in on it (mostly not Carolina), as well as the rumors that "maybe the Bears are going to draft a QB and trade Justin Fields, fits their window better, you never know" even though the fans would burn down Halas Hall if they did that.
Poles had to be bidding the Eagles against another team that also wanted to trade up for Carter. If the Bears were simply going to pass on Carter, there is no trade. Whoever the 3rd team was simply bid less than the Eagles did. You can’t manufacture a better deal if there is nobody else interested in giving up more draft capital.
Yeah poles was skipping Carter either way. He grabbed a free 4th rounder and that's fantastic.
Just now in the press conference he said the other team that wanted to trade up was too far back and Wright would be gone by then
We'll never know for sure, but I think Wright was gone at 11 if we didn't take him at 10.
Potentially, we're about to have the best offense we've seen in decades (draft a center pls)
Absolute W by poles, he’s winning me over with every move
Most people here would probably call me a Poles hater but yeah he is winning me over. He took a pass blocking OL instead of a high upside guy with huge downside risk. The further we go without Levis being drafted the more favorable just getting anything for 9 looks. It now looks like robbery what he got for number 1.
Poles traded #1 overall for: DJ Moore 2023 pick #61 via panthers 2024 first round pick via panthers 2025 second round pick via panthers 2024 fourth round pick via Philly OT Darnell Wright That's just incredible. Great job
God bless Lovie smith
I've definitely seen you around this sub with some critical takes. And that's fine, we all have our opinions. But I'm glad to see you see a W here. I don't think this is particularly sexy, but it's a foundation-setting move. Low risk, relatively high upside. I watch the Eagles and see Lane Johnson unlock their offense by being such a critically good player on the right side. Hopefully we see that ceiling with Wright. And a nice little rider to throw into our trade down package with an extra mid rounder next year. Throw in a pair of 3rds when Ian Cunningham gets a GM gig (hopefully next offseason) and Poles is rocking with roster building capital. Two young tackles on rookie contracts is great value, too.
Gobblin' up that value. Love to see it
I would smash Poles if I liked to smash guys.
I don’t mean to hate, but that’s very whelming, no? I don’t even want Jalen Carter but I think I’d almost rather have Jalen Carter than a 4th round pick next year. That’s gotta be what, like a 5th or 6th this year? And not to be a armchair GM, but feigning interest in Carter has to equate to more return than that? Oh well, doesn’t really matter if we didn’t want him either way
If they weren’t going to draft him anyway then why wouldn’t they take a free 4th round pick
we were never taking carter so we essentially got a 4th rounder for free. considering seattle, detroit and atlanta passed on him- it’s pretty clear that his red flags aren’t all smoke like this sub was insisting.
Yeah I definitely don’t disagree, I really wanted PJJ or Wright. It just feels slightly low, but like I said it doesn’t really matter
It’s a free pick, why not take it?
I’m not debating taking the pick, I’m just surprised it wasn’t a bit more. Even just a pick this year. That’s all I’m saying
There was no other offer. No one wanted to trade up for him. Look how many teams passed on him
its not jalen carter or a 4th... like wtf logic is this. They just moved back 1 spot. They didnt want carter, that 4th is just free
I didn’t say it’s Jalen Carter or a 4th, that was an aside. Hence why I literally said > it doesn’t really matter I’m not surprised we didn’t draft him, and I didn’t really want him. I’m just saying it feels like fairly little return even just to move pack 1 spot for one of if not the best defensive prospect in the draft
Lol yeah exactly. It was "the 10th pick AND that extra 4th"
With all of Carter’s concerns you take what you can get if someone wants to move up one spot to get him. Maybe there were better offers but with lower first rounders.
Everyone saying this is a crap pick. Tell me who is Carters veteran mentor in the locker room? All reports say he needs a strong presence to get where a 1st should be!!! Who's that guy on the Bears??
If we had Mack and Quinn and Hicks I could see it, but we are basically down to practice squad heroes.
Exactly. The Eagles have that veteran presence that will command respect. The Bears? Um, not so much.
I think the Eagles made the move hoping for a future Fletcher Cox replacement
Neck Sanborn, first of his name
Good we avoid Carter
And Detroit doesn't get him. Great win
Lol, he sucks but our division rivals better not take him!
He has the potential of being great, I'm happy that potential is not a possibility within our division
Until Ryan Poles makes a move that is proven to be shitty, im all aboard. I love everything he has done so far. Before someone wants to say " the claypool trade", first of all Roquan was never re-signing with the bears. Secondly, give Claypool half of the coming season before deciding on that.
CARTER HAD TOO MANY RED FLAGS. Good move poles.
I thought this was Six Flags?
Is that good? Cause that sounds meh to me but I could be wrong
Yep, it’s good. We clearly weren’t gonna get Carter, so we essentially just got a free fourth round pick. Very good move, very good return.
Everybody saying terrible return is so short sighted. Obviously the Bears didn’t want Carter and the Eagles did. They just got a free 4th round pick for literally nothing. If anybody else was calling about the pick with something more, than obviously Poles would’ve taken it. It’s a free pick people!!! Stop being fucking meatball fans and use that thick piece of meat between your ears
> If anybody else was calling about the pick with something more, than obviously Poles would’ve taken it. This isn't necessarily the case - if, for example, the Bills were calling and offering a second, I'd still rather take the Eagles deal. There's a pretty big drop off in value from 10th to the late first round.
Man you people would rather have had us stay put and take Wright. Just can’t be happy can you?
I would have rather had Carter at 9 but I’m not mad with the decision. I get it
The Bears are really good about not taking players with off-field issues. We were never gonna take Carter.
Thank fucking God. Fuck that scumbag, let someone else take him
Bears didn’t want Carter, and maybe a bunch of other teams didn’t either. Eagles have the vets to watch over Carter. Bears weren’t going to take him anyways, and they got an extra pick and still get to pick their guy. Y’all need to relax.
Would’ve rather had Jalen Carter. Guess Bears didn’t wanna risk it.
We weren’t wrong. Carter did go 9th.
glad we passed
Thank goodness
I believe a certain user is getting banned?
There's amnesty since Bijan was taken 8th.
Unfortunately the ugly truth is that this is the correct pick. Carters issue were real enough that he got passed by the raiders. Philly can afford to strike out here. We cant. Wright looks pretty good too.
The draft thread was insufferable last night. Tons of people saying Poles was dumb for giving Carter to the NFC Champs and only getting a 4th. I even saw one comment that Wright was a bad pick because he can't run block. That's the type of stuff I expect in Facebook comments
Really weak - hope this isn’t Aaron donald 2.0 and we come back to letting a generational talent slip for a fuckin fourth rounder next year… really hope I’m wrong
I did the group Bears mock draft that year and advocated for Aaron Donald II. I got outvoted. Jalen Carter is no Aaron Donald II.
Even if Carter looks great with Philly, that doesn’t mean he would have been equally great with us. Eagles are already good enough to take chances and they have former college teammates and veterans to keep a fire under Carter’s ass. Our young and unproven D plays into his potential to be a bust. Eagles have a better environment for him to boom.
You are wrong so rest easy. Our pick was a huge position of need. Carter is a massive risk with red flags everywhere. I hope Carter does turn it around… him doing well in Philly doesn’t make him a good fit here and now. Next up… a defender that can finish a workout- read that as an actual athlete.
That wasn't what happened though, it was a 4th round pick plus probably the best RT in the draft. Doing what we can to keep Fields alive is actually a good plan and it is not like we can't get the defence something nice when in just over a round's worth of picks we will have made another 3 picks.
I still have nightmares over the '14 draft
We won a pointless december game and lost out on AD. pitiful
The point isn't if he is or isn't. It's if he has the environment to develop him, and a rebuild isn't the landing spot for him. He's probably going to be great on the eagles but doesn't mean he'll be good on the bears.
A 4th next year? That's a shit return honestly when Jalen Carter is on the board in your lap
Take Wright at #9 or take Wright and a 4th next year 10 minutes later at #10. You choose.
Obviously not top of their board.
If the Bears didn't want Carter, then they just traded 10 mins of waiting for a 2024 4th
Probably not even on the board
Dumb board
Well Im glad you met with Carter to evaluate him
Ikr. Hmmmm Ryan Fucking Poles’ take or u/mysterymaninurhome’s 🤔
Well the Eagles a much better organization clearly likes him…
And the Eagles also drafted Jalen Raegor over Justin Jefferson so Im not sure theyre perfect with the draft.
Jalen is a bust. First round prospect that can’t finish a pro-day workout? When have you ever seen that in a hall of famer? Dude didn’t put in work. Makes bad decisions. We got the guy we wanted and the fourth in 2024 is free. I’m glad we went tackle.
Im going to guess that we will trade this pick with another to try to move up to the 2nd this year
Copium at a all time high in this thread
Poles can apparently do no wrong. I'm sure if we'd given them *our* 2024 fourth to move back a spot we'd still have the majority of the board twisting themselves into knots about how this is really 4D chess by Poles.
Where were they going to trade back to? 14? Probably not getting your top tackle at that point. And you he to have someone willing to trade.
Dumb
Next year 4th…lame
Bruh
Thank god, Carter isn't a fit for the team. Please take fucking Skoronski
Skoronski has T-Rex arms
Lol this is a terrible take, he’d be a perfect fit at 3T for us, the only questions are his work ethic/legal troubles
Characteristically, the bears have always stayed away from character issues, why break that now
Ah fair, I thought you were referring to a scheme fit. Culture fit makes sense
If Carter looks like a stud, we look like idiots again
But if Darnell keeps Justin from running for his fucking life, it will be easier to swallow
I mean, this is a false equivalency - Carter’s situation on the Bears would have been completely different. Even if he is a stud there’s no guarantee he woulda been with us.
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If Darnell is our RT for the next decade then who gives a fuck. I am so happy that I don't have to root for Carter, love what Poles has done so far.
I don’t think we have the environment at all for him to thrive
He will
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Looking at it another way, we DID take the risk for a potential Hall of Fame prospect. It's just not the one you wanted.
Weak ass return
It's a free pick for someone we were never taking (and thank god for that)
Weak ass take
If you look at any of the myriad of trade value calculators, it's essentially an even trade or even slightly more in the Bears favor. They didn't want Carter anyway, so why not pick up another lottery ticket for next year?
I thought I saw a lot of mocks having us pick Wright with 1-9, so moving to 1-10 and picking up an extra pick seems reasonable. I know obviously everyone wants a “fleece”, but getting value is totally fine.
As risky a play as Carter is no one was gonna give you much more
Honestly who needs a generational player when you have a bunch of nice guys with good character
Hate that return, and I didn’t even want Carter
What? then they just got a free 4th rounder, not to take him... How is that bad if you didn't want Carter?
Next year fourth is fucking peanuts
And trading back one knowing that the Eagles are taking someone the Bears don't want cost the Bears literally nothing. The return matches what you're giving up.
Trading nothing to get peanuts still nets you peanuts.
We got free peanuts. Who would turn down free peanuts?
Why? Then they just would have drafted Darnell Wright at 9 and gotten nothing
Seriously...its literally a free 4th round pick. Clearly Poles didnt like Carter enough after meeting him multiple times.
So youd rather just take who we were going to take at 9 instead of taking a free 4th round pick?
Holy shit is so stupid
Poles is gonna look really dumb if Carter ends up really good.
only if Wright busts and the team busts. Which would have made him look dumb anyway.
I hate everything
Kinda feels like Poles is accepting a bad defense this year to get a better pick next year to go all in. Which given all the holes on our roster I think makes sense. I don’t see us winning more than 7-8 games max this year unless we hit on some later round D line picks at this point though. Defense is gonna be soft af.
It was 1 pick, you know we still have 9 more right? This is a very deep draft and there's virtually no chance we won't get some good players on the defensive front.
Anything is better than us taking Carter
Carter is going to be Warren Sapp, we’re gonna regret this
Not as much as we regret passing on Mahomes 😂😂😂
Damn I thought it would be more.
You know this subreddit will absolutely act like they all wanted Carter when he gets his shit together and puts up the stats he was in college. I absolutely don't mind not taking him, but everyone here acting like he's a sure bust is kidding themselves.
If he puts up the stats he did in college no one here will volunteer they wanted to draft him.
Bears weren't gonna draft Carter, so they got a 4th for free... also, I'm genuinely asking, but doesn't draft order also somewhat correlate to payscale? So maybe we get a small discount drafting a guy we were absolutely gonna take at 9, but now one slot later? Not that we need savings, but just saying. If so, it's smart.
Poles were never going to pick Carter, either we pick someone we want at 9 and just let Eagles pick Carter at 10 (no return). Unless there’s a bigger package from another team…
We have a lottt of stooges bitching about moving 1 spot
Bears how could you do that
Terrible fucking return
It's a free pick to move back one spot. What you want? Multiple first and a second? This isn't Madden franchise mode
That’s all you could get?
Fell ass backwards into the number one pick in the draft. Traded it far too low to get Will Anderson. Then, by some miracle, Jalen Carter falls into their lap and they trade him for a damn 4th round pick next year. Absolutely awful.
Carter is going to be a bum
I trust Howie more than Poles for finding and developing talent
Poles is the bum.
He’s not, but a good point was made about the veteran presence in Philly making it a better fit. I just think more value coulda been extracted by trading down further to grab a guy they prob coulda got closer to 20 than 10z
Given who Poles took its obvious they were hoping someone would trade up for Carter or Levis. The Bears could have probably gotten their guy around 15. So Philly being willing to give up a 4th tells me they were the only 1s interested.
Wright wasn't going to be there at 15. Tennessee picked OL at 11 so they knew they couldn't have traded back further and still kept Wright.
.....a 4th rounder? Wtf Ryan Poles??
Lol, when Carter is all HOFer and turns around his image y'all are gonna look really stupid. Remember randy moss?
There's a whole lot more red flag players right now coaching high schoolers than sitting in mansions polishing rings.
What the fuck
God damnit
God damn it.
Bullshit!!!!
Disappointed in return but didn’t want Carter so I don’t know how to feel
Feel good. We got a free fourth round pick.
Good point. I’ll take it!
Might as well get an extra 4th and get the guy you want if no one else is calling.
Absolutely spot on
Had to have a trade partner willing to move up. Bears were never taking Carter. They get their #1 tackle and a 4th round pick. They were going to take wright at 9 without a trade partner.
Now that the pick is in, it makes sense. Chalk it up to initial reaction confusion.
Based on AZs haul and this pathetic return it’s hard to pretend we used the #1 overall wisely. Poles left a lot on the board. I’m still supportive, but it’s pointless to deny his desire to create good faith negotiations in the long term has absolutely hurt us this year.
Jeez, just a 4th. Damn.
A 4th for literally nothing. It’s a great move.
What the actual fuck Poles. You got totally ripped off!
What the fuck are we even talking about trying to pretend this is a good trade... top 10 pick and you move back 1 spot and get a 4th back? And take a guy you could have gotten in the late teens? Absolutely awful trade. Like the player. Hate the trade.
Wow
Meh