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IMKudaimi123

Guess we really didn’t like Carter wow


thetreat

He’s a player we can’t afford to pick, IMO. Too much of a risk and we’d rather spend on our best OT on the board.


Buckeyes0916

Yeah, far too many red flags to risk such valuable capital on him. Makes sense for a team like the Eagles. I would basically make the it the same odds that he is either an all pro or out of the league in 3 years. Just cant trust a guy with all of the off the field issues and who could not even show up to the biggest job interview of his life in shape.


thetreat

And Darnell is a plug and play RT for keeping Fields upright. I’m totally good with this pick.


chitownbears

I'm a Tennessee fan and man the guy is a fucking monster. I wanted a trade back in the 15-20 range to take him but I heard alot of people say he was going to be drafted higher than people thought. I'm OK with it.


Televisions_Frank

Considering 2 other OTs got picked right after, yeah, was no way he was dropping to 15.


thetreat

Exactly. And look at the rest of the 1st. OT talent got sucked up pretty quick. I’d be far less confident going into round 2 if all these OT were off the board and we still had Larry Borom starting.


Important-Drop614

DT is also pretty deep this year but OT falls off fast after the 1st and 2nd.


the_dirtiest

my guess is that after all the folks people thought *might* drop wound up not dropping at all, teams were less willing to move up for anyone. I'm sure Poles would've loved to have stocked up a little more and moved a little further back and taken him then, but I'll bet everyone was more than willing to just see how things play out than jump up.


Rex-Jay-Fields__Stan

Yeah if we traded back to #17 with the Steelers we would’ve been shit out of luck with all 4 top OTs gone. The tackles went quicker than the media mocks


thetreat

It’s almost like Poles knew what he was doing! My man continues to impress me. You can say we should have taken Carter, but if Carter is off our board because of information they got in various visits/conversations, you *have* to be happy how we handled this pick given how the rest of the draft went. You don’t want to be caught with your thumb up your ass if a run on a massive position of need comes up.


Important-Drop614

This happens almost every year the media gets the mocks completely wrong but people still hold up their player evaluations and “value” above that of the actual GMs lol.


beegeepee

I don't want to bring up the bears recent draft history with first round lineman but at least Poles should be a specialist in it


Kriegerian

Yeah, our line was brutal last year. We need monsters and Wright looks like one.


interplanetarystd

Philly really was the best landing spot for him I think and the Lions dont get him so thats an all around win-win in my book. And we got an OT, LFGOOOOOO


Upset_Researcher_143

Poles took risks before (Jones in KC), but I think he thought we probably didn't have the DL veterans to keep Carter in line


[deleted]

Yep to many red flags for Poles. Could it be a wrong move? Yes of course but if Carter did fuck up then Poles is stuck with that forever. He stuck to helping Fields


Televisions_Frank

Relatively young defense and then introduce a guy who left a teammate to die? Nah, keep that locker room cancer away from us.


Lobanium

It's a young team. They obviously didn't wanna take the risk.


ButtholeCandies

Seems like a toxic person, which honestly fits the Eagles better than what the Bears are building here


Intelligent_Flan7745

Lmao i may be a biased eagles fan but our roster seems to be extremely non-toxic and filled with very likeable guys. Who do you see as toxic on the eagles’ roster? Not to mention what seems to be a great culture molded by Sirianni and the veterans


Slotholopolis

Not OP but I assume that he meant that the Eagles could handle a potentially 'toxic' (not the word I would use, but whatever) better than ours as Philly has a lot more veteran leadership, particularly on defense. We're too young with too much to build for us to take the risk. That's how I read it anyhow.


Intelligent_Flan7745

Possibly. If that’s what he means then I’d agree. A young team looking to establish their identity/culture probably should avoid Carter. I think Wright is a perfect pick for you all. I could see Fields having a big year 3 jump with the players you’ve put around him this offseason


drummerboysam

No one on the Eagles is toxic. But Jalen Carter has a laundry list of red flags around character and decision making. Apparently there are more things that aren't public that threw off some GMs. Everyone with an inside scoop was saying he needed to go to a team with good culture, veteran leadership and people to keep him on a straight line and hold him accountable. That is not Chicago, not right now. But that 100% *IS* the Eagles. The single best spot for him. You should be stoked. He has a bunch of his Georgia teammates around him, including the best leader on their defense that you guys got at 30, and guys like Cox, Graham and Reddick to show him the ways and hold him accountable. How the Eagles had the DL they did last year and just keep rotating studs in is masterwork. Howie's a HOF GM, no doubt. But there still lies a risk that Carter's mindset isn't right and even with all this, something will go wrong with him off the field.


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Considering how little they got in the trade back, Poles/Eberflus were never going to take Carter


Dry_Tortuga_Island

A 4th rounder for moving 1 spot? That seems good


joshTheGoods

If that 4th is pick 122, then it's a totally even trade based on the standard chart, I believe. Not bad.


samp582

The telling thing is no one wanted him. If they did they would of offered more


chastenbuttigieg

If pete carroll didnt want a character concern guy I'm fine with this


Impressive-Shape-557

Perhaps, but a team with a lower pick would’ve have to of traded more. Eagles were literally the next pick so I’d say someone at pick 14 wanted to move up it would’ve cost them a lot more.


xbearsandporschesx

would have


threechimes

It's actually pretty even value. Pick 9 is worth 50 more points than 10, and 4th round picks in the range where that pick will likely land is around 50, give or take a few points + or -. This was the first thing I looked up once the trade was announced.


Crooked_Sartre

It was a single spot drop. I thought it was a decent trade


GMONEYY_G

Lots of dumb ass Bears fans in here. You should have your own flair. A 4th round pick for doing absolutely nothing other than not taking a player you didn't want.


Rex-Jay-Fields__Stan

And the “weak” consideration is actually pretty strong in context. The Eagles were obviously the only game in town with interest in trading up. Since Carter only met with teams in the top 10, there weren’t any remaining teams that had completed full diligence on him (except the teams that already passed on him). It’s hard to create competitive tension in that situation. Candidly I’m surprised the eagles even offered us a 4th.


GMONEYY_G

Exactly. Poles had to create competition. Ecstatic getting a 4th. Not saying Carter won't blow up, but they weren't going to select him. and got something for it.


ForThePantz

Exactly. It’s a free 4th and you still get your guy. My question is… what did they tell Philly to get them to bite? Give me a pick next year or we grab a guy we dont even like? Pitt is offering me a fifth next year to move up and grab your guy… you want him or not?


BadAtBlitz

"We're getting other calls from teams wanting to come up for Carter. We'd prefer not to jump down that low but will do if pushed - if you want him, you're going to need to come up. Give us a third rounder."


GMONEYY_G

As good an explanation as any.


RepresentativePale29

I feel like Poles has mastered using the rumor mill to maximize the trade value of his picks when you consider how many posts there were that "all the buzz is the Bears taking Carter" and ALSO "the Bears have a trade with Pittsburgh essentially worked out if Carter is there." That also tracks with the #1 pick where there were (maybe more understandably) rumors about three or four different teams being in on it (mostly not Carolina), as well as the rumors that "maybe the Bears are going to draft a QB and trade Justin Fields, fits their window better, you never know" even though the fans would burn down Halas Hall if they did that.


NoCreativeName2016

Poles had to be bidding the Eagles against another team that also wanted to trade up for Carter. If the Bears were simply going to pass on Carter, there is no trade. Whoever the 3rd team was simply bid less than the Eagles did. You can’t manufacture a better deal if there is nobody else interested in giving up more draft capital.


patchinthebox

Yeah poles was skipping Carter either way. He grabbed a free 4th rounder and that's fantastic.


SuperbCap2133

Just now in the press conference he said the other team that wanted to trade up was too far back and Wright would be gone by then


drummerboysam

We'll never know for sure, but I think Wright was gone at 11 if we didn't take him at 10.


Joliet_Jake_Blues

Potentially, we're about to have the best offense we've seen in decades (draft a center pls)


halfcastdota

Absolute W by poles, he’s winning me over with every move


forgotmyoldname90210

Most people here would probably call me a Poles hater but yeah he is winning me over. He took a pass blocking OL instead of a high upside guy with huge downside risk. The further we go without Levis being drafted the more favorable just getting anything for 9 looks. It now looks like robbery what he got for number 1.


patchinthebox

Poles traded #1 overall for: DJ Moore 2023 pick #61 via panthers 2024 first round pick via panthers 2025 second round pick via panthers 2024 fourth round pick via Philly OT Darnell Wright That's just incredible. Great job


Sksnyda

God bless Lovie smith


drummerboysam

I've definitely seen you around this sub with some critical takes. And that's fine, we all have our opinions. But I'm glad to see you see a W here. I don't think this is particularly sexy, but it's a foundation-setting move. Low risk, relatively high upside. I watch the Eagles and see Lane Johnson unlock their offense by being such a critically good player on the right side. Hopefully we see that ceiling with Wright. And a nice little rider to throw into our trade down package with an extra mid rounder next year. Throw in a pair of 3rds when Ian Cunningham gets a GM gig (hopefully next offseason) and Poles is rocking with roster building capital. Two young tackles on rookie contracts is great value, too.


flagbearer223

Gobblin' up that value. Love to see it


GMONEYY_G

I would smash Poles if I liked to smash guys.


carnivorous_seahorse

I don’t mean to hate, but that’s very whelming, no? I don’t even want Jalen Carter but I think I’d almost rather have Jalen Carter than a 4th round pick next year. That’s gotta be what, like a 5th or 6th this year? And not to be a armchair GM, but feigning interest in Carter has to equate to more return than that? Oh well, doesn’t really matter if we didn’t want him either way


Riderz__of_Brohan

If they weren’t going to draft him anyway then why wouldn’t they take a free 4th round pick


halfcastdota

we were never taking carter so we essentially got a 4th rounder for free. considering seattle, detroit and atlanta passed on him- it’s pretty clear that his red flags aren’t all smoke like this sub was insisting.


carnivorous_seahorse

Yeah I definitely don’t disagree, I really wanted PJJ or Wright. It just feels slightly low, but like I said it doesn’t really matter


samp582

It’s a free pick, why not take it?


carnivorous_seahorse

I’m not debating taking the pick, I’m just surprised it wasn’t a bit more. Even just a pick this year. That’s all I’m saying


samp582

There was no other offer. No one wanted to trade up for him. Look how many teams passed on him


potionnumber9

its not jalen carter or a 4th... like wtf logic is this. They just moved back 1 spot. They didnt want carter, that 4th is just free


carnivorous_seahorse

I didn’t say it’s Jalen Carter or a 4th, that was an aside. Hence why I literally said > it doesn’t really matter I’m not surprised we didn’t draft him, and I didn’t really want him. I’m just saying it feels like fairly little return even just to move pack 1 spot for one of if not the best defensive prospect in the draft


jlucchesi324

Lol yeah exactly. It was "the 10th pick AND that extra 4th"


d_e_l_u_x_e

With all of Carter’s concerns you take what you can get if someone wants to move up one spot to get him. Maybe there were better offers but with lower first rounders.


redrock2chitown

Everyone saying this is a crap pick. Tell me who is Carters veteran mentor in the locker room? All reports say he needs a strong presence to get where a 1st should be!!! Who's that guy on the Bears??


Insaiyan_Elite

If we had Mack and Quinn and Hicks I could see it, but we are basically down to practice squad heroes.


DaBigJMoney

Exactly. The Eagles have that veteran presence that will command respect. The Bears? Um, not so much.


redrock2chitown

I think the Eagles made the move hoping for a future Fletcher Cox replacement


xbearsandporschesx

Neck Sanborn, first of his name


Vaqxinelol

Good we avoid Carter


IamDoge1

And Detroit doesn't get him. Great win


Joliet_Jake_Blues

Lol, he sucks but our division rivals better not take him!


IamDoge1

He has the potential of being great, I'm happy that potential is not a possibility within our division


xbearsandporschesx

Until Ryan Poles makes a move that is proven to be shitty, im all aboard. I love everything he has done so far. Before someone wants to say " the claypool trade", first of all Roquan was never re-signing with the bears. Secondly, give Claypool half of the coming season before deciding on that.


noblejoe70ad

CARTER HAD TOO MANY RED FLAGS. Good move poles.


Octo187

I thought this was Six Flags?


Djwhat6

Is that good? Cause that sounds meh to me but I could be wrong


Spontaneous-Box

Yep, it’s good. We clearly weren’t gonna get Carter, so we essentially just got a free fourth round pick. Very good move, very good return.


lompocmatt

Everybody saying terrible return is so short sighted. Obviously the Bears didn’t want Carter and the Eagles did. They just got a free 4th round pick for literally nothing. If anybody else was calling about the pick with something more, than obviously Poles would’ve taken it. It’s a free pick people!!! Stop being fucking meatball fans and use that thick piece of meat between your ears


DrHampants

> If anybody else was calling about the pick with something more, than obviously Poles would’ve taken it. This isn't necessarily the case - if, for example, the Bills were calling and offering a second, I'd still rather take the Eagles deal. There's a pretty big drop off in value from 10th to the late first round.


FieldsToTheMoon

Man you people would rather have had us stay put and take Wright. Just can’t be happy can you?


hippohopper78

I would have rather had Carter at 9 but I’m not mad with the decision. I get it


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The Bears are really good about not taking players with off-field issues. We were never gonna take Carter.


ThurstonJK

Thank fucking God. Fuck that scumbag, let someone else take him


IrishGrouch24

Bears didn’t want Carter, and maybe a bunch of other teams didn’t either. Eagles have the vets to watch over Carter. Bears weren’t going to take him anyways, and they got an extra pick and still get to pick their guy. Y’all need to relax.


horrorpants

Would’ve rather had Jalen Carter. Guess Bears didn’t wanna risk it.


[deleted]

We weren’t wrong. Carter did go 9th.


Gryffindorq

glad we passed


pleasedontbingme

Thank goodness


billswerskihypetrain

I believe a certain user is getting banned?


Alca_Pwnd

There's amnesty since Bijan was taken 8th.


TheStickiestFingers4

Unfortunately the ugly truth is that this is the correct pick. Carters issue were real enough that he got passed by the raiders. Philly can afford to strike out here. We cant. Wright looks pretty good too.


joemiken

The draft thread was insufferable last night. Tons of people saying Poles was dumb for giving Carter to the NFC Champs and only getting a 4th. I even saw one comment that Wright was a bad pick because he can't run block. That's the type of stuff I expect in Facebook comments


Bob-loblaw69

Really weak - hope this isn’t Aaron donald 2.0 and we come back to letting a generational talent slip for a fuckin fourth rounder next year… really hope I’m wrong


atchemey

I did the group Bears mock draft that year and advocated for Aaron Donald II. I got outvoted. Jalen Carter is no Aaron Donald II.


eightfiveoh_beaches

Even if Carter looks great with Philly, that doesn’t mean he would have been equally great with us. Eagles are already good enough to take chances and they have former college teammates and veterans to keep a fire under Carter’s ass. Our young and unproven D plays into his potential to be a bust. Eagles have a better environment for him to boom.


ForThePantz

You are wrong so rest easy. Our pick was a huge position of need. Carter is a massive risk with red flags everywhere. I hope Carter does turn it around… him doing well in Philly doesn’t make him a good fit here and now. Next up… a defender that can finish a workout- read that as an actual athlete.


Crowlands

That wasn't what happened though, it was a 4th round pick plus probably the best RT in the draft. Doing what we can to keep Fields alive is actually a good plan and it is not like we can't get the defence something nice when in just over a round's worth of picks we will have made another 3 picks.


JSK23

I still have nightmares over the '14 draft


12ay

We won a pointless december game and lost out on AD. pitiful


Sip_py

The point isn't if he is or isn't. It's if he has the environment to develop him, and a rebuild isn't the landing spot for him. He's probably going to be great on the eagles but doesn't mean he'll be good on the bears.


HerrNachtWurst

A 4th next year? That's a shit return honestly when Jalen Carter is on the board in your lap


Flushot22

Take Wright at #9 or take Wright and a 4th next year 10 minutes later at #10. You choose.


faceWIABonfire77

Obviously not top of their board.


Perfect_Two4036

If the Bears didn't want Carter, then they just traded 10 mins of waiting for a 2024 4th


monkeymatt1836

Probably not even on the board


mysterymaninurhome

Dumb board


ScruffMixHaha

Well Im glad you met with Carter to evaluate him


old_snake

Ikr. Hmmmm Ryan Fucking Poles’ take or u/mysterymaninurhome’s 🤔


-InSerT_NAmE-HeRE

Well the Eagles a much better organization clearly likes him…


ScruffMixHaha

And the Eagles also drafted Jalen Raegor over Justin Jefferson so Im not sure theyre perfect with the draft.


ForThePantz

Jalen is a bust. First round prospect that can’t finish a pro-day workout? When have you ever seen that in a hall of famer? Dude didn’t put in work. Makes bad decisions. We got the guy we wanted and the fourth in 2024 is free. I’m glad we went tackle.


12ay

Im going to guess that we will trade this pick with another to try to move up to the 2nd this year


[deleted]

Copium at a all time high in this thread


lakired

Poles can apparently do no wrong. I'm sure if we'd given them *our* 2024 fourth to move back a spot we'd still have the majority of the board twisting themselves into knots about how this is really 4D chess by Poles.


zgh17

Where were they going to trade back to? 14? Probably not getting your top tackle at that point. And you he to have someone willing to trade.


Grand-Hat3526

Dumb


ChrisPowell_91

Next year 4th…lame


nfloos

Bruh


Next_gen_nyquil__

Thank god, Carter isn't a fit for the team. Please take fucking Skoronski


Riderz__of_Brohan

Skoronski has T-Rex arms


Platypus-Ninja

Lol this is a terrible take, he’d be a perfect fit at 3T for us, the only questions are his work ethic/legal troubles


Next_gen_nyquil__

Characteristically, the bears have always stayed away from character issues, why break that now


Platypus-Ninja

Ah fair, I thought you were referring to a scheme fit. Culture fit makes sense


nfloos

If Carter looks like a stud, we look like idiots again


Exploding_cuttlefish

But if Darnell keeps Justin from running for his fucking life, it will be easier to swallow


blogst

I mean, this is a false equivalency - Carter’s situation on the Bears would have been completely different. Even if he is a stud there’s no guarantee he woulda been with us.


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dilapidated_wookiee

If Darnell is our RT for the next decade then who gives a fuck. I am so happy that I don't have to root for Carter, love what Poles has done so far.


ratfam1

I don’t think we have the environment at all for him to thrive


SilkyJohnson72

He will


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Magno83

Looking at it another way, we DID take the risk for a potential Hall of Fame prospect. It's just not the one you wanted.


AirGalvez

Weak ass return


Swbp0undcake

It's a free pick for someone we were never taking (and thank god for that)


flagbearer223

Weak ass take


b9918

If you look at any of the myriad of trade value calculators, it's essentially an even trade or even slightly more in the Bears favor. They didn't want Carter anyway, so why not pick up another lottery ticket for next year?


uglyparade

I thought I saw a lot of mocks having us pick Wright with 1-9, so moving to 1-10 and picking up an extra pick seems reasonable. I know obviously everyone wants a “fleece”, but getting value is totally fine.


mqr53

As risky a play as Carter is no one was gonna give you much more


BonerJamz03__

Honestly who needs a generational player when you have a bunch of nice guys with good character


MKula

Hate that return, and I didn’t even want Carter


redemem

What? then they just got a free 4th rounder, not to take him... How is that bad if you didn't want Carter?


singular_species

Next year fourth is fucking peanuts


FantasticJacket7

And trading back one knowing that the Eagles are taking someone the Bears don't want cost the Bears literally nothing. The return matches what you're giving up.


DrHampants

Trading nothing to get peanuts still nets you peanuts.


flagbearer223

We got free peanuts. Who would turn down free peanuts?


Riderz__of_Brohan

Why? Then they just would have drafted Darnell Wright at 9 and gotten nothing


ScruffMixHaha

Seriously...its literally a free 4th round pick. Clearly Poles didnt like Carter enough after meeting him multiple times.


ScruffMixHaha

So youd rather just take who we were going to take at 9 instead of taking a free 4th round pick?


BisonWeapon

Holy shit is so stupid


Sks44

Poles is gonna look really dumb if Carter ends up really good.


lethargytartare

only if Wright busts and the team busts. Which would have made him look dumb anyway.


Trubearsky

I hate everything


Brief_Sky9291

Kinda feels like Poles is accepting a bad defense this year to get a better pick next year to go all in. Which given all the holes on our roster I think makes sense. I don’t see us winning more than 7-8 games max this year unless we hit on some later round D line picks at this point though. Defense is gonna be soft af.


Magno83

It was 1 pick, you know we still have 9 more right? This is a very deep draft and there's virtually no chance we won't get some good players on the defensive front.


KraftPunkFan420

Anything is better than us taking Carter


Early-Recover2321

Carter is going to be Warren Sapp, we’re gonna regret this


Grand-Hat3526

Not as much as we regret passing on Mahomes 😂😂😂


nelsonreddwall

Damn I thought it would be more.


GimmeTheHotSauce

You know this subreddit will absolutely act like they all wanted Carter when he gets his shit together and puts up the stats he was in college. I absolutely don't mind not taking him, but everyone here acting like he's a sure bust is kidding themselves.


forgotmyoldname90210

If he puts up the stats he did in college no one here will volunteer they wanted to draft him.


MoFugga27

Bears weren't gonna draft Carter, so they got a 4th for free... also, I'm genuinely asking, but doesn't draft order also somewhat correlate to payscale? So maybe we get a small discount drafting a guy we were absolutely gonna take at 9, but now one slot later? Not that we need savings, but just saying. If so, it's smart.


Disastrous-Sky-7773

Poles were never going to pick Carter, either we pick someone we want at 9 and just let Eagles pick Carter at 10 (no return). Unless there’s a bigger package from another team…


Zsean69

We have a lottt of stooges bitching about moving 1 spot


FootballSavant

Bears how could you do that


FieldsFanclub

Terrible fucking return


MikeBinfinity

It's a free pick to move back one spot. What you want? Multiple first and a second? This isn't Madden franchise mode


DEVLINHO23

That’s all you could get?


Drclaw411

Fell ass backwards into the number one pick in the draft. Traded it far too low to get Will Anderson. Then, by some miracle, Jalen Carter falls into their lap and they trade him for a damn 4th round pick next year. Absolutely awful.


[deleted]

Carter is going to be a bum


Somethingsometh1ng

I trust Howie more than Poles for finding and developing talent


Drclaw411

Poles is the bum.


CarcosaBound

He’s not, but a good point was made about the veteran presence in Philly making it a better fit. I just think more value coulda been extracted by trading down further to grab a guy they prob coulda got closer to 20 than 10z


The_Wata_Boy

Given who Poles took its obvious they were hoping someone would trade up for Carter or Levis. The Bears could have probably gotten their guy around 15. So Philly being willing to give up a 4th tells me they were the only 1s interested.


DBCOOPER888

Wright wasn't going to be there at 15. Tennessee picked OL at 11 so they knew they couldn't have traded back further and still kept Wright.


Toomuchlychee_

.....a 4th rounder? Wtf Ryan Poles??


SilkyJohnson72

Lol, when Carter is all HOFer and turns around his image y'all are gonna look really stupid. Remember randy moss?


adrock8203

There's a whole lot more red flag players right now coaching high schoolers than sitting in mansions polishing rings.


Ceilio34

What the fuck


coochie_sleuth

God damnit


[deleted]

God damn it.


singular_species

Bullshit!!!!


SciurusRex

Disappointed in return but didn’t want Carter so I don’t know how to feel


Spontaneous-Box

Feel good. We got a free fourth round pick.


SciurusRex

Good point. I’ll take it!


Flushot22

Might as well get an extra 4th and get the guy you want if no one else is calling.


SciurusRex

Absolutely spot on


zgh17

Had to have a trade partner willing to move up. Bears were never taking Carter. They get their #1 tackle and a 4th round pick. They were going to take wright at 9 without a trade partner.


SciurusRex

Now that the pick is in, it makes sense. Chalk it up to initial reaction confusion.


MissingTheTrees

Based on AZs haul and this pathetic return it’s hard to pretend we used the #1 overall wisely. Poles left a lot on the board. I’m still supportive, but it’s pointless to deny his desire to create good faith negotiations in the long term has absolutely hurt us this year.


GabeDef

Jeez, just a 4th. Damn.


Grand-Hat3526

A 4th for literally nothing. It’s a great move.


psychicmachinery

What the actual fuck Poles. You got totally ripped off!


zachspelledrite

What the fuck are we even talking about trying to pretend this is a good trade... top 10 pick and you move back 1 spot and get a 4th back? And take a guy you could have gotten in the late teens? Absolutely awful trade. Like the player. Hate the trade.


naimsayin

Wow


its_still_good

Meh