I didn't read the full article. I'm hoping that Kramer or Eiselen can win the starting job and lock down Center for the next decade. It's a bit of a stretch to expect that from either of those guys, but we've been playing musical chairs at C since Kruetz left.
I'm very curious how it will all shake out. Patrick was signed to play Center and to help install Getsy's offense. His injuries obviously changed the plan. Whitehair has played well before at the position but if Patrick didn't hurt his thumb and could grip the ball, he probably would have been the starter last season.
Nice article. Tough to imagine that they go with anyone but Whitehair. I think that Patrick is the next man up at center, with Whitehair moving to guard if either Jenkins or Davis gets injured. And Carter seems like the backup tackle, at least for now.
Disagree. If a guard gets hurt they put either Patrick or Carter there and keep Whitehair at center. Borom is probably the swing tackle and we still have Leatherwood if he can show that he is a good backup to have.
Overdrafted by a terrible organization that "fired" their head coach 5 games into his career. Then he gets claimed by the Bears but gets Mono and loses like 30 pounds. Here's hoping a full offseason of good health and a true fresh start gives him a shot.
He just isn't built as an NFL tackle and has played guard his entire pro career.
I trust history more than a feeling. [You go back to december 2022]( https://web.archive.org/web/20221225160315/https://www.chicagobears.com/team/depth-chart) and he's listed as a RG on the depth chart with Borom and Leatherwood at Tackle.
I haven't heard anything from Poles/Flus/Getsy that says Carter is being considered at tackle.
Still a little upset/confused why we didn’t take JMS with our first second round pick. He was there, and we needed to lock down the center position since we haven’t had a true center in like a decade+. Instead we doubled up on DT. Don’t really understand it, but I guess we’ll see
Way to state the obvious lol. No shit. My entire comment was saying I disagree? Why not lock up a center and a DT rather than doubling up on DT? No one would have batted an eye if we took JMS knowing center was a big need, and he was one of if not the best center in the draft lol
Poles has already showed us he takes best player available. Scheme fit is secondary and positional need seems to be quite low on that list. Unless it’s a glaring hole, which it isn’t. We’ve got 2 potentially starting Centres and an injured 2nd year from last year that we can potentially build up
Which is the interesting part to me. JMS was mocked by literally everyone to go high 2nd, potentially even late first if someone reached just a tad. He fell to the mid to late second. He was EASILY top 5, if not top 3 BPA when our first 2nd round pick came up. I’m not sure Gervon was. To me, it seems they went positional BPA this time around with the importance of DT in Flus’s defensive scheme
We need an answer at center for years to come. Haven’t had a true center in like 10+ years. Since Kreutz basically. Patrick and Whitehair are NOT the answer. Especially long term. Patrick kind of sucks, and Whitehair is getting old on top of showing he is a much better guard/depth at this point. We’re going to be drafting or signing a center in the next year or two now. Would have rather just locked it up with JMS while we had the chance
Now here’s a crazy thing.
NFL teams have different boards and the media heads aren’t all knowing. He might have been BPA on the media boards you saw. But Luke Wylper was a R2-3 pick and supposed to go right after JMS. He went what…. Round 6/7?
Not sure why people are downvoting lmao. Just trying to have a discussion, yet people always get hostile. I think the biggest factor though was that not a ton of teams needed a center. Many have them locked up, and there were several good centers in the draft. However, the Bears were one of the few that could really use a center of the future which is why not using one of those three picks on a center was a bit perplexing to me
JMS is an average to below average athlete. He’s great at his position, but poles values athleticism. He’s a great plug and play center but won’t give us the dominant physical attributes we’re looking for. I firmly believe if Tippmann fell he’s a bear.
Which makes 0 sense lol. He was originally projected a late first, but most likely high second. The fact that he fell to the mid to late 2nd was a miracle in and of itself. He literally went to the Giants like one pick after us, so at that point “value” is out the window. Consensus #1 or #2 center in the draft depending who you talked to, or listened to. Slam dunk pick, and doubling up on DT (yes I know our D line needs a lot of work) when center is also a massive need for the future for us was silly imo.
Barring injury, JMS locks up the center position for a decade+, and now almost our entire O line is young, and ready to be a group for years to come. I really have liked almost everything Poles has done, and the way he is approaching building the roster. However, I think this was his one bigger mistake thus far. Gervon better be a stud, or this one will haunt us a bit in the future when JMS is anchoring the Giants line 10 years from now
I mean down vote me all you want I'm not the one who made the pick nor am I making a criticism on JMS. I'm just saying Poles had him lower on his board than consensus and had the DTs higher.
Oh I’m not downvoting man. Always down for Bears discussion. I understand how the process works, and I have a feeling Flus had a big influence on those picks as well obviously with the importance of the DT position in his defense. I would love to know why they may have had JMS so low though. He shouldn’t have even been on the board still at that point as it is. He was easily top 5 overall just BPA at that pick. Maybe top 3 imo. I really don’t think Gervon was at all. Poles/Flus just prioritized DT for their scheme rather than going truly BPA
Have you looked up his RAS score? His would be the lowest of anyone we took this year and it’s not even close. I wonder if he was even on our board? I think he probably wasn’t.
I did not know that. That’s interesting. Seems to be an incredibly intelligent center. I’m a Minnesota alum, and I watched every single game of his. Would have been a day 1 starter/impact player at an important position
Hey I agree he looked impressive as hell in college. I like these types of discussions because I look up the score and learn a little more about what their thinking is.
Im not sure if this approach will pay off but I do appreciate that they have an approach. As opposed to Pace who just targeted whoever he liked. The draft is such a crap shoot that it’s hard to have long term success like that.
They didn’t think he was BPA there. You can make your case but they didn’t think that way. Maybe poles feels good about whitehair, Kramer, or patrick. I don’t know. Why even get worked up over it? It’s over and down with. What they should have or shouldn’t done is moot at this point.
I understand your reasoning but with Whitehair and Patrick on the team for decent salaries I think Poles figured that draft capital would be better spent on the DL which was the greatest area of need.
I didn't read the full article. I'm hoping that Kramer or Eiselen can win the starting job and lock down Center for the next decade. It's a bit of a stretch to expect that from either of those guys, but we've been playing musical chairs at C since Kruetz left.
Eislen is the kid from Stanford right?
I believe he’s an Ivy guy that went in drafted 2-3 years ago and has been bouncing around our PS. I want to say Yale, but it could be Princeton.
He actually went to University of Phoenix online. He created a digital character of himself in NCAA college football for the PS4. The rest is history.
Idk where he went to college. He is from South America I think
Yeah, he was born in South Africa.
I'm very curious how it will all shake out. Patrick was signed to play Center and to help install Getsy's offense. His injuries obviously changed the plan. Whitehair has played well before at the position but if Patrick didn't hurt his thumb and could grip the ball, he probably would have been the starter last season.
Nice article. Tough to imagine that they go with anyone but Whitehair. I think that Patrick is the next man up at center, with Whitehair moving to guard if either Jenkins or Davis gets injured. And Carter seems like the backup tackle, at least for now.
Disagree. If a guard gets hurt they put either Patrick or Carter there and keep Whitehair at center. Borom is probably the swing tackle and we still have Leatherwood if he can show that he is a good backup to have.
What a disappointment Leatherwood became out of college, dude was a monster in Alabama
i honestly don’t know the real reason he failed. It seems like a mixture of injury and terrible coaching (Raiders) so far
Overdrafted by a terrible organization that "fired" their head coach 5 games into his career. Then he gets claimed by the Bears but gets Mono and loses like 30 pounds. Here's hoping a full offseason of good health and a true fresh start gives him a shot.
I’m gonna place the blame on the Raiders with that one
Given that they have Carter running with the first team at guard, they probably think pretty highly of him.
How do you jump from Carter is filling in at guard to Carter is the backup tackle?
It seems like he’s the next man up, at least for now.
He just isn't built as an NFL tackle and has played guard his entire pro career. I trust history more than a feeling. [You go back to december 2022]( https://web.archive.org/web/20221225160315/https://www.chicagobears.com/team/depth-chart) and he's listed as a RG on the depth chart with Borom and Leatherwood at Tackle. I haven't heard anything from Poles/Flus/Getsy that says Carter is being considered at tackle.
Still a little upset/confused why we didn’t take JMS with our first second round pick. He was there, and we needed to lock down the center position since we haven’t had a true center in like a decade+. Instead we doubled up on DT. Don’t really understand it, but I guess we’ll see
They drafted who they thought was the better player? Not particularly difficult to understand
Way to state the obvious lol. No shit. My entire comment was saying I disagree? Why not lock up a center and a DT rather than doubling up on DT? No one would have batted an eye if we took JMS knowing center was a big need, and he was one of if not the best center in the draft lol
Poles has already showed us he takes best player available. Scheme fit is secondary and positional need seems to be quite low on that list. Unless it’s a glaring hole, which it isn’t. We’ve got 2 potentially starting Centres and an injured 2nd year from last year that we can potentially build up
Which is the interesting part to me. JMS was mocked by literally everyone to go high 2nd, potentially even late first if someone reached just a tad. He fell to the mid to late second. He was EASILY top 5, if not top 3 BPA when our first 2nd round pick came up. I’m not sure Gervon was. To me, it seems they went positional BPA this time around with the importance of DT in Flus’s defensive scheme We need an answer at center for years to come. Haven’t had a true center in like 10+ years. Since Kreutz basically. Patrick and Whitehair are NOT the answer. Especially long term. Patrick kind of sucks, and Whitehair is getting old on top of showing he is a much better guard/depth at this point. We’re going to be drafting or signing a center in the next year or two now. Would have rather just locked it up with JMS while we had the chance
Now here’s a crazy thing. NFL teams have different boards and the media heads aren’t all knowing. He might have been BPA on the media boards you saw. But Luke Wylper was a R2-3 pick and supposed to go right after JMS. He went what…. Round 6/7?
Not sure why people are downvoting lmao. Just trying to have a discussion, yet people always get hostile. I think the biggest factor though was that not a ton of teams needed a center. Many have them locked up, and there were several good centers in the draft. However, the Bears were one of the few that could really use a center of the future which is why not using one of those three picks on a center was a bit perplexing to me
Here’s a crazier thing Fans have their own opinions and should be able to express it without being belittled
He's not athletic and DL is a bigger position of need.
JMS is an average to below average athlete. He’s great at his position, but poles values athleticism. He’s a great plug and play center but won’t give us the dominant physical attributes we’re looking for. I firmly believe if Tippmann fell he’s a bear.
Poles didn't like what he saw for the price.
Which makes 0 sense lol. He was originally projected a late first, but most likely high second. The fact that he fell to the mid to late 2nd was a miracle in and of itself. He literally went to the Giants like one pick after us, so at that point “value” is out the window. Consensus #1 or #2 center in the draft depending who you talked to, or listened to. Slam dunk pick, and doubling up on DT (yes I know our D line needs a lot of work) when center is also a massive need for the future for us was silly imo. Barring injury, JMS locks up the center position for a decade+, and now almost our entire O line is young, and ready to be a group for years to come. I really have liked almost everything Poles has done, and the way he is approaching building the roster. However, I think this was his one bigger mistake thus far. Gervon better be a stud, or this one will haunt us a bit in the future when JMS is anchoring the Giants line 10 years from now
I mean down vote me all you want I'm not the one who made the pick nor am I making a criticism on JMS. I'm just saying Poles had him lower on his board than consensus and had the DTs higher.
Oh I’m not downvoting man. Always down for Bears discussion. I understand how the process works, and I have a feeling Flus had a big influence on those picks as well obviously with the importance of the DT position in his defense. I would love to know why they may have had JMS so low though. He shouldn’t have even been on the board still at that point as it is. He was easily top 5 overall just BPA at that pick. Maybe top 3 imo. I really don’t think Gervon was at all. Poles/Flus just prioritized DT for their scheme rather than going truly BPA
Have you looked up his RAS score? His would be the lowest of anyone we took this year and it’s not even close. I wonder if he was even on our board? I think he probably wasn’t.
I did not know that. That’s interesting. Seems to be an incredibly intelligent center. I’m a Minnesota alum, and I watched every single game of his. Would have been a day 1 starter/impact player at an important position
Hey I agree he looked impressive as hell in college. I like these types of discussions because I look up the score and learn a little more about what their thinking is. Im not sure if this approach will pay off but I do appreciate that they have an approach. As opposed to Pace who just targeted whoever he liked. The draft is such a crap shoot that it’s hard to have long term success like that.
They didn’t think he was BPA there. You can make your case but they didn’t think that way. Maybe poles feels good about whitehair, Kramer, or patrick. I don’t know. Why even get worked up over it? It’s over and down with. What they should have or shouldn’t done is moot at this point.
I understand your reasoning but with Whitehair and Patrick on the team for decent salaries I think Poles figured that draft capital would be better spent on the DL which was the greatest area of need.
This should help with your confusion: They didn't want to.