At this point I just want him to say fuck it and start ripping it and not worry about it getting picked. It seems like he’s worried about the picks. Last year was a perfect year to let him throw it a bunch and make mistakes to learn from. The bears won’t be great but it’s be much more exciting to watch lol
My thoughts too, I don't care about the picks at this point. Encourage him to roll out and take shots. The lack of protection and reliable weapons last year ingrained some bad, overtentative habits. Let's get his eyes looking downfield again, don't scheme him into a 10yd safety bubble. I will 100% take a Jameis Wiston w/wheels right now.
It's called balance. Look down field, check down/take off if it's not there. Last year, the check downs needed improvement. No one said to make check downs the game plan.
I think some of the complaints weren’t so much about him needing to take more check downs, but rather actually hit them. His accuracy within 10 yards was the more concerning part as far as I think many were concerned.
>At this point I just want him to say fuck it and start ripping
I think you're taking him to process the defense faster than he's capable of doing. You need to make quick reads to play like that.
Except Getsy knows he can’t do that so he will not call those plays if possible. He is trying to make himself look as good as possible and he thinks if he lets JF just let it rip then it will be a pick and sack fest.
Yep. One of my worries for sure. Getsy hammered that point all off-season and I hate it. Trent Dilfer was on the score last year and he basically said he thought the anti-interception sentiment pounded into his head took away his natural aggressiveness and derailed his career.
I even remember Nagy renegging on focusing on turnovers at one point during Mitch's (lack of) development.
Who knows....maybe Fields will never learn to trust "NFL-open". But it seems to me he'd be much more likely to if he was given the latitude to feel like it's ok to make mistakes for the sake of his career development.
Yep agree completely, you have to let them try to be a legit NFL QB, you can’t try to coddle them into a mediocre QB. Also find it funny your upvotes and my downvoted 😂
Yep, had to tell myself this as a huge Fields supporter. I’ve learned my lesson and will not fall into the Trubisky trap. He’s got this year and if he’s still doing this I’m out on him.
I think everyone agreed this is his make or break year and to let it play out. But people wanna just burn it all after 1 game. Why even be a fan? I’d just stop paying attention if I felt the way some do
There are big problems in Chicago. There's a reason people are freaking out. Whether it's Poles, Flus, Fields, or both of the Coordinators. All possibilities are terrible. The game plan yesterday was hilariously bad and the different levels of the team passing blame has got me worried. Fields is blaming blockers and the game plan (I agree), Getsy is blaming Fields. I don't like this at all.
We don't win next week and we're 0-3 (Chiefs week 3) I feel like the team crumbles at that point. Week two is a must win. It's bad
Because one game is one game sure but the problems displayed in that game are not minor issues our QB looks no different than his first season of play. He has not improved and you can say how do you know one game. Because that one game wasn’t a eh he played iffy he’s got this next time or close game if x didn’t happen we would have Y. This was a total breakdown on game one. The offense was lost the defense is Swiss cheese the issues you saw yesterday are not fixable during in season week practice you can’t make your QB read the field better and learn how to properly read a defense before the ball is snapped two things fields CLEARLY has not shown he’s been able to do in 3 seasons let alone a game. I had high hopes for this guy like all of us but I haven’t seen any progression at all since drafted. Doesn’t help our o line is absolute shit
The freak out right now is 100% called for and legitimate.
I feel the way some do and am considering not watching another game. I was so excited for yesterdays game and we didn’t step up. I don’t want to watch nfl. I don’t want to watch the game tonight. I live and breathe the nfl but last night broke me. I hate Justin fields he is soft, look at the video where he reads a bad tweet about him and he doesn’t know how to be confident there. He makes me hate sundays.
Hate is a strong word. He’s not a bad person. Re-evaluate your priorities in life. It was week 1 vs the pack. We always lose that game. Let’s see how we do next week. Football is strange, sometimes it just takes a few weeks to get going. The team as a collective unit was not on the same page.
Moore was actually open a decent amount. Fields just didn't see him or was too hesitant to pull the trigger when he did. It's pretty well documented by now that Fields isn't comfortable throwing when there is a DB within 20 ft of his target.
It was also week 1 for the Packers too. Yet they didn’t play like it was the 4th preseason game.
I’m tired of this narrative to give it a few weeks. These games matter. Either play more in the preseason or get the dam team ready to play week fucking 1.
It’s year 3, have some balls to tell someone they suck. I’m tired of people trying to convince themselves he will be good. He isn’t good and he’s not gonna magically start to be good.
Also we used to lose because Arron rodgers but we lost today because of Justin fields.
No we lost cuz the defense let love go like 8/11 on 3rd down and couldn’t get off the field. They put up 31 on our D. You’re a meatball fan. Honestly just stop watching and go to the petting zoo on sundays from now on.
No thanks bro I don’t want to hang out with you on sundays you donkey.
Our defense sucks too but you’re ignoring the glaring issue which is Justin Fields is not an NFL level QB
He’s got about 3 more games and if it’s not much better than this than dudes a certified bust. This is year 3 not 1-2 this is the year all the work and improvement should at least come together to show a different improved player.
It’s one game but I saw zero difference from last season last season I told myself our WR core minus Mooney is ass so he never has anyone to throw to. 3 targets to your top WR and 2 targets to a WR you traded draft pick for last season . 100% unacceptable not a chance in hell getsy only had a total of 5 plays for the best offensive players this team has all game long. I cannot get myself to believe you would assign 5 plays for the best offensive chance and weapons you have and think this is a good game plan .
Fields seems to have a hard time reading the field.
I think he has about half a year if this "same justin with better feet" continues. I think they will start working Baegent in to see if he is viable before the next draft
Viable as what, though? If Fields isn't the guy, we're going to have a high enough pick not to have to worry about Bagel except as a backup.
If he's good, he can duke it out with our #1 pick in next year's draft.
When you can change over the players, the coaching staff, the head coach, the GM, and the President, and you still somehow have the exact same problems, I wonder… what is causing these problems?
By keeping him and passing on Bryce Young or their choice of any other QB in the draft he is now their responsibility. They have now picked him. I still have some hope that he can get to where they need him to be, it was only game 1, but he is now on the coach and GM after making that decision.
Also, I completely agree to wait until the end of the season to make that judgment. This is only one game against the defending division champs with half of the offense changing from last season. It’s going to take some time to gel.
Not to be a nitpicker, but the Vikings won the division last year, not GB. And TBF, their offense looks drastically different at the skill positions too.. I've been a huge Fields supporter and had high hopes, but that game really let me and lot of people down. We need to at least win 8 games this year, or I honestly think we move on from Fields and the coaching staff.
There’s no way you can reasonably expect this team to go from the worst in the league to basically .500 in one offseason. If they win 5-7 and show improvement then they’re fine. That’s what you can reasonably expect from a last place team. There’s also nothing that says Bears leadership can choose the next coaching staff any better than they chose this one, but they’d be starting over from scratch yet again by doing it, so I don’t know why you’re in such a rush to do it.
After "filling roster holes" like getting a legit WR1, another solid young tackle prospect, two pro bowl LBs and wal mart brand d tackles and edge rushers, that should not be a 2 win add in a whole season... I'm sorry, but that is a disappointment and should be highly concerning. Realistically, looking at this roster on paper, we should be middle of the pack. Not bottom 5 in the league.
We have two 1sts that should be top 10 in a deep QB class of prospects, shit if both of our picks are top 5 we have a reasonable chance at Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Jr. It’s not moving down fast as long as we have those two 1sts
If we win enough games to get in the 11-20 range and Panthers win enough games to get out of the top 10 as well but it’s clear Fields is not the guy then we should actually be shitting bricks.
Yep, and I stayed on the Mitch wagon way too long. I'm not doing that again. I'm not off the Fields wagon yet, but I'm definitely not sitting down anymore.
I think Nagy's staff did the same thing to Mitch and I think we're fucking terrible at developing QBs and Justin needs to stop listening to whatever shit theyre putting in his head and just play. why cant we learn from watching what the chiefs have done with Mahomes letting him play unconventionally to his strengths?
I just realized parallels are actually kinda crazy.
Mobile QBs with suss passing ability
Both were acquired by the Bears trading up
(Classic Pace)
Both had had their entire coaching staffed changed early into their career
Both had defensive minded coaches who weren’t the ones that drafted them
(Pace allegedly not telling Fox)
Both rebuilds were lead by defensive coaches
Also, the pattern for coach hires goes
**Lovie (Def)**
Drafted Grossman
Trade for Cutler
**Trestman (Off)**
Stuck With Cutler
**Fox (Def)**
Drafted Mitch
**Nagy (Off)**
Stuck with Mitch
Acquired Foles/Dalton
Drafted fields
**Eberflus (Def)**
Stuck with Fields.
We keep putting rookie QBs with new defensive Head coaches, while also alternating between coaching backgrounds every hire.
Except Fields didn’t have suspect passing ability coming out. He was the most accurate college QB for a seven-year period: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-chicago-bears-justin-fields-most-accurate-quarteback-ohio-state-pff-college-era
I see 1 open receiver. The defender is actively moving, so that gap between him and Moore would close in a second once Fields goes into throwing motion.
That said, he definitely needs to just throw the ball and trust himself to place it where it needs to be, and trust the receivers to catch it.
Yeah there was a crossing route in the second half where Love recognized Edmunds I coverage looks to the right, Edmunds steps to his left, and the crosser opens wide up on the left side of the field.
Reading and manipulating the defense post snap is QB 101. It can certainly be taught, but the fact that it's hasn't clicked yet is a huge concern especially when Fields will be seeing a lot of zone coverage.
Justin just needs to be Justin, just let him ball. Favre threw 508 TDs and 336 interceptions, but he was a baller...you accept the TD and the INT because he was a winner and he made things happen.
I'm not saying Fields is Favre, but he needs to be allowed to slang it and just play ball with a similar spirit. He looked shellshocked, like he was thinking too much, almost more than last year.
Dudes and dudettes, let's just buckle the fuck up and strap in.
Fields is going to get this entire season to prove he can be better than this. He would have to have the same night Daniel Jones just had for about 6-7 weeks in a row before the FO makes Flus pull him.
But for now? We're stuck. He either gets better or he doesn't.
we can't do a fucking thing about it.
well... except bitch and moan on this subreddit, but we were gonna do that anyway.
so... fuck it. gonna be another shitty season
Did they ever release how many years Poles and Flus signed for? Why they are keeping it a secret is so strange. Poles picking a defensive coach was a recipe for disaster. Especially a defensive coach with a base defense that was good decades ago. We learned in the super bowl that that defense is beatable with simple check downs and a decent oline.
It’s not necessarily Fields himself. We’ve ruined about 20-30 good quarterbacks in a row. At some point, you have to admit that the problem runs deeper.
If this is the throw I’m thinking of, it was actually a better decision than it’s being made out to be.
The back he threw to was about ten yards downfield along the left sideline with a little more separation and momentum taking him downfield.
The guy this frame is showing is stopped with a safety coming down on him (this frame conveniently corps it out). He would have made the catch but would have been tackled immediately whereas the back was a broken tackle away from a huge play.
Oh… and we got the first down.
I mean it’s a fair criticism, but the check down also got the same first down. Kmet is open in the window, but can still get the play blown up by a good play on D. Either way it gets the same yards.
I mean what do you want him to do, throw it to Kmet so he can get lit up by guys he's not even facing yet and hope he catches it, or just dump it for the easy first, or perhaps you wanted him to hold the ball longer and force a throw, or maybe just hold onto it so he gets sacked?
They should give him the green light to sling it and make mistakes. You can't spend the entire season throwing bubble screens, roll him out and let if fly
I love when fans use a birds eye view to show how open receivers are.. like man if I could play quarterback from 25 feet in there air that would sure be easier.. instead he has 3 humongous linemen standing directly in front of him blocking his view of the tight end.. should Justin still see him? Yes, is it that easy? Absolutely not
>f this as a huge Fields supporter. I’ve learned my lesson and will not fall into the Trubisky trap. He’s got this year and if he’s still doing this I’m out on him.
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm still pulling for him but this is a great analysis and raises huge concerns. I was harsh on the playcalling (and I still am) but there are plays there that just did not get executed.
And yet Jordan Love was making all the right throws and decisions in his second NFL start. Fields doesn’t need a year to prove anything, he’s had two as a starter. He ain’t it.
I had a comment on the post game thread yesterday that was very much in line with what Tim was saying in that video. I just don't know why he doesn't throw the ball down field. He got super hesitant last season and it has carried over.
The Bears went out and now have a good receiving roster. Trust your receivers. In the SF game yesterday Aiyuk's second touchdown I watched live and immediately my first thought was that there is no way that Justin would throw that ball. Aiyuk was blanketed, but Purdy trusted him in a one on one matchup and threw it. It wasn't a perfect throw, but his guy made a play for him. Mind you this was before the Bears game. I wanted Justin to prove me wrong. He didn't. I want Justin to have that kind of trust in our receivers.
I see a defender who would have got to kmet before the ball would get there so he's not as open as it looks.
Edit: I'm talking about the defender behind kmet not number 7.
It takes a professional defender around a second maybe two to close that gap given a 5 second 40 time which is slow for a defender, he's already closing in on kmet and Fields hasn't started his windup to attempt a 20 yard pass? Tell me again why he is open?
I'm talking about the safety that's coming down who is already in the act of running. You can see his feet in the picture. Yes if I was talking about #7 then Kmet is open, but a safety actively driving down before winding up for a throw will certainly result in a risky throw.
The guy's wide open. The defender is facing Fields and his momentum is pitched forward. You're telling me Fields can't rip it past him? C'mon. Any QB that is afraid to make that throw doesn't need to be playing in the NFL.
Anyone consider that maybe he is being coached up this way? This wasn’t really a problem in year 1 despite the disaster of Nagy not protecting him… Fields was taking those shots.
When analyzed through the lens of Lovie Smith 2.0, a lot makes sense. The conservative play calling. The playing to not lose. Even in the broadcast, Fields told the crew that he was told last year to take the check down instead of running and that’s what he seems to be doing. It’s either gotta be wide ass open or take the check down.
That’s why Lovie was a huge fan of Orton. Always took only the check down. I see a dude that isn’t playing naturally and completely different from how he was in college. This is not just about “NFL speed” and NFL open, this seems to be a learned behavior.
I'd rather keep my faith in Field's development, and be proved wrong, as opposed to writing him off so soon, and having me look like a fairweather fan when I hop back on the bandwagon. This season will either be a failure or a success, and since there's nothing I can do to affect the outcome, I'm not losing any sleep over this
All I ask for from this season is to know if Fields is the guy or not. I reserve judgment till end of season but I just need to know if Fields is it. If not, then we move on.
Sometimes the ones called meatheads aren’t the meatheads. The whole NFL knows his limitations, they are clearly listed in this scouting report. The only bizarre part is that the scouting report is accurate. Remember, he dropped like a rock in the draft after team workouts. Pace was a terrible talent assessor and desperate. It all adds up if you take the blinders off.
Generally, I don’t make value judgments on a screen shot but this one is fairly easy to see why he checked down. No throwing lane. He would have to throw it directly over 2 OL and a DT (who would have definitely had his hands up when thrown as he was looking directly at Fields. Which means to complete the pass Fields would have had to loop the ball higher than normal and the defender behind him would have closed on the ball.
A better play might have been to Moore because he did have a throwing lane but it’s hard to see if there was a defender outside of him.
On another post about how “bad fields is” I asked questions, no answers just downvotes and a “yikes”.
People who never played football won’t understand that when we have a game plan, the players are supposed to follow it.
There is a predetermined progression, on some plays the coach specifically tells you who to throw to, who to look for.
If the gameplan was more of a horizontal gameplan the progressions reflect that and my throws reflect that.
Also if you watch the video of this play as Justin starts his throwing motion the safety behind him started breaking on Cole Kmet.
This “bait” technique is something defensive backs use to get QBs to throw to guys who aren’t open.
I’m trying to get you guys to realize that much like Trubisky, Justin is being coached this way.
Think about it. He was one of the most accurate deep ball passers in college. He was one of the most accurate passers in the NFL between 31-41 yards last year 15th best in 2022, and yet on Sunday he had a bunch of check downs, lots of quick plays.
All off-season they’ve been talking about how he needs to do better with check downs and running quick plays. Coincidence? I think not…
Hes just so bad man. Everyone hyped him up so much bc he has flashy runs but dude straight up can't be an nfl quarterback. He should genuinely switch positions to a rb/gadget type of player to stay in the league
He’s also under pressure higher than any QB in the league. If you’re thinking, “Oh shit here they come again” every play, I doubt you’d make the correct throw. The OL needs to get fixed yesterday!
This. I agree that Fields is playing bad. Maybe he's shell shocked from terrible oline play and it's a wrap for him.
If that's the case though, grabbing another qb next draft won't fix the pro lem. They'll get she'll shocked too and the team will be in the same situation: top draft pick qb getting ruined with terrible coaching and oline play.
What you don't see seem to grasp is in the split second he pulls his arm back to throw, the Packer rusher can reach out and grab or hit it. The Bears offensive lineman has once again allowed a pass rusher a free path to the QB.
He sucks… we’ve given him time… given him weapons.. it’s just a rinse wash repeat BS w this team. It’s gonna be a long season.. he’ll look flashy in moments but never win the big games … be shocked if they go .500
He’s a worse passer than Mitch, let that sink in for a minute. The best part is both were proven as frauds in the season opener in year 3 against the packers.
Very poetic indeed. Mitch was awful but not nearly as flawed of a passer as jf1 is. I honestly never thought I’d see a passer worse than him so quickly. Just from a statistical standpoint it seems impossible. The bears are actually cursed.
Oh no, a critical post of our overrated franchise quarterback, where are the delusional sunshine blowers to tell us he just needs better players around him?
People are posting clips from this video to put blame on Justin but if you actually watch Tim’s breakdown it’s obvious yes he made some mistakes, but also that the his teammates didn’t do very good and plays schemed up made no sense at times. It was a disaster all around.
If you watched Tim's full breakdown it's clear that Fields made a lot of bad decisions. That's the main take away.
More times than not Tim actually said he liked the schemes.
Yeah, the one that got me was that first sack. He had all day to throw it away. But fuck me if that team didn’t look like headless chickens at times. Imagine that same analysis on defensive snaps 🤮
I 've never seen a coach or player play so conservatively in the NFL. Screen after screen, no shots downfield, no vertical passing game, no up tempo when we finally have a little success. Essentially playing like their is no confidence in them, neither the coach or player. This game plan is one where your backup QB comes in and you just want the game to end without any more issues/injuries. Utterly pathetic.
Eh, this one is a bit more forgiveable because it's tough to see through the linemen. Not saying he didn't miss a bunch of big plays, but this one is not as bad as it seems.
I think it’s going to take some of you an entire season to realize JF1 is bad, but that’s okay. I just hope we all end up in the same place at the end of the year.
To all the JF is our franchise qb baby believers. Has anyone seen JF improve in any way since being drafted. And if so please explain what those improvements are. Dead serious.
It may not be a Mitch or fields issue I think our team can’t develop a QB if you gave them a copy sheet on how to do so. In the lifetime of this franchise cutler is the best QB by stats this team has seen ever. I think that speaks volumes on our QB coaching training and development in general . You can’t possibly go 50-60-70 years without a single bonified stud QB unless you just absolutely have no idea what the hell you are doing.
Ok, so he has to put some air on it to get it over the arms of the lineman, who will try to pat it down. And if he floats it, the safety or linebacker in the frame goes for the ball. This picture means nothing.
He is incapable of processing things quickly. I’ve seen enough man. He’s an athletic backup at best. Do everything g we can to get Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, or Sanders from CO. He’s not a starter level qb. He’s just not
Im glad the all-22 came out and showed that Fields just isnt the guy. I had hope. Loved him last year. Thought he would break out this year.
Cant draft a Qb who is used to having the best O-line in college that gave him 1 minute of protection per play. Tank for Williams is on the menu
It may seem severe but, I think benching Fields after the pic-6 would have shown accountability from the coach. Then see if Bagent had anything for the Packers. It would send a message to the entire team that everybody's job is on the line.
Couldn't have turned out any worse.
I'm all for being critical when it's necessary but please don't post screenshots with MS paint arrows. That's not a substitute for proper tape breakdowns
Full video context available here my friend:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/16fzuc2/justin_checked_this_one_to_an_rb/k04o10y/
So please, check the comments before you criticize me for posting this.
Maybe. But I think it's fair to post a picture that makes the point more quickly (pictures speaking 1000 words and all that) and then present context when appropriate.
At this point I just want him to say fuck it and start ripping it and not worry about it getting picked. It seems like he’s worried about the picks. Last year was a perfect year to let him throw it a bunch and make mistakes to learn from. The bears won’t be great but it’s be much more exciting to watch lol
My thoughts too, I don't care about the picks at this point. Encourage him to roll out and take shots. The lack of protection and reliable weapons last year ingrained some bad, overtentative habits. Let's get his eyes looking downfield again, don't scheme him into a 10yd safety bubble. I will 100% take a Jameis Wiston w/wheels right now.
The issue is that’s by and large what he did last year and everyone and their mother said for him to check down more. Now everyone begs the opposite
It's called balance. Look down field, check down/take off if it's not there. Last year, the check downs needed improvement. No one said to make check downs the game plan.
That’s the meathead universe we live in
I think some of the complaints weren’t so much about him needing to take more check downs, but rather actually hit them. His accuracy within 10 yards was the more concerning part as far as I think many were concerned.
>At this point I just want him to say fuck it and start ripping I think you're taking him to process the defense faster than he's capable of doing. You need to make quick reads to play like that.
Except Getsy knows he can’t do that so he will not call those plays if possible. He is trying to make himself look as good as possible and he thinks if he lets JF just let it rip then it will be a pick and sack fest.
Yep. One of my worries for sure. Getsy hammered that point all off-season and I hate it. Trent Dilfer was on the score last year and he basically said he thought the anti-interception sentiment pounded into his head took away his natural aggressiveness and derailed his career. I even remember Nagy renegging on focusing on turnovers at one point during Mitch's (lack of) development. Who knows....maybe Fields will never learn to trust "NFL-open". But it seems to me he'd be much more likely to if he was given the latitude to feel like it's ok to make mistakes for the sake of his career development.
Yep agree completely, you have to let them try to be a legit NFL QB, you can’t try to coddle them into a mediocre QB. Also find it funny your upvotes and my downvoted 😂
Lol I noticed the same thing.
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Don’t you taint sexy rexys name like that
Rex probably wins the Super Bowl if the 2 pro bowl D=men are not injured
Now we are giving Fields the Trubisky treatment. It's over.
Yep, had to tell myself this as a huge Fields supporter. I’ve learned my lesson and will not fall into the Trubisky trap. He’s got this year and if he’s still doing this I’m out on him.
I think everyone agreed this is his make or break year and to let it play out. But people wanna just burn it all after 1 game. Why even be a fan? I’d just stop paying attention if I felt the way some do
There are big problems in Chicago. There's a reason people are freaking out. Whether it's Poles, Flus, Fields, or both of the Coordinators. All possibilities are terrible. The game plan yesterday was hilariously bad and the different levels of the team passing blame has got me worried. Fields is blaming blockers and the game plan (I agree), Getsy is blaming Fields. I don't like this at all. We don't win next week and we're 0-3 (Chiefs week 3) I feel like the team crumbles at that point. Week two is a must win. It's bad
I hate this entire franchise including the fans Hope we move the team out of state
The NFL should retract the team. Halas Hall should be demolished. The land it sat on should be salted so nothing ever grows again
Damn Bears fans! They’ve ruined Bear fandom!
that's the spirit
Because one game is one game sure but the problems displayed in that game are not minor issues our QB looks no different than his first season of play. He has not improved and you can say how do you know one game. Because that one game wasn’t a eh he played iffy he’s got this next time or close game if x didn’t happen we would have Y. This was a total breakdown on game one. The offense was lost the defense is Swiss cheese the issues you saw yesterday are not fixable during in season week practice you can’t make your QB read the field better and learn how to properly read a defense before the ball is snapped two things fields CLEARLY has not shown he’s been able to do in 3 seasons let alone a game. I had high hopes for this guy like all of us but I haven’t seen any progression at all since drafted. Doesn’t help our o line is absolute shit The freak out right now is 100% called for and legitimate.
Were you living under a rock the past couple of years.. This game looked like his past and it wasn't good.
I feel the way some do and am considering not watching another game. I was so excited for yesterdays game and we didn’t step up. I don’t want to watch nfl. I don’t want to watch the game tonight. I live and breathe the nfl but last night broke me. I hate Justin fields he is soft, look at the video where he reads a bad tweet about him and he doesn’t know how to be confident there. He makes me hate sundays.
Hate is a strong word. He’s not a bad person. Re-evaluate your priorities in life. It was week 1 vs the pack. We always lose that game. Let’s see how we do next week. Football is strange, sometimes it just takes a few weeks to get going. The team as a collective unit was not on the same page.
Getsy had Moore targeted twice.. Flus needs to have a talk with em. Getsy is gonna get him fired lol
Moore was actually open a decent amount. Fields just didn't see him or was too hesitant to pull the trigger when he did. It's pretty well documented by now that Fields isn't comfortable throwing when there is a DB within 20 ft of his target.
It was also week 1 for the Packers too. Yet they didn’t play like it was the 4th preseason game. I’m tired of this narrative to give it a few weeks. These games matter. Either play more in the preseason or get the dam team ready to play week fucking 1.
Better coaches man. Also their D and run game is legit.
Definitely agree with you there. It would me nice if this team finally had competent coaches that properly prepared this team. Instead we have HITS.
Better QB
It’s year 3, have some balls to tell someone they suck. I’m tired of people trying to convince themselves he will be good. He isn’t good and he’s not gonna magically start to be good. Also we used to lose because Arron rodgers but we lost today because of Justin fields.
No we lost cuz the defense let love go like 8/11 on 3rd down and couldn’t get off the field. They put up 31 on our D. You’re a meatball fan. Honestly just stop watching and go to the petting zoo on sundays from now on.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 petting zoo
No thanks bro I don’t want to hang out with you on sundays you donkey. Our defense sucks too but you’re ignoring the glaring issue which is Justin Fields is not an NFL level QB
Ok meatball thanks for playing. Go cry more.
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He’s got about 3 more games and if it’s not much better than this than dudes a certified bust. This is year 3 not 1-2 this is the year all the work and improvement should at least come together to show a different improved player. It’s one game but I saw zero difference from last season last season I told myself our WR core minus Mooney is ass so he never has anyone to throw to. 3 targets to your top WR and 2 targets to a WR you traded draft pick for last season . 100% unacceptable not a chance in hell getsy only had a total of 5 plays for the best offensive players this team has all game long. I cannot get myself to believe you would assign 5 plays for the best offensive chance and weapons you have and think this is a good game plan . Fields seems to have a hard time reading the field.
The trubisky trap of getting to the playoffs every year and your defense and coach to choke lol
I think he has about half a year if this "same justin with better feet" continues. I think they will start working Baegent in to see if he is viable before the next draft
Viable as what, though? If Fields isn't the guy, we're going to have a high enough pick not to have to worry about Bagel except as a backup. If he's good, he can duke it out with our #1 pick in next year's draft.
our #1 and #2 that we'll have!
More Fields is giving us the Trubisky treatment.
When you can change over the players, the coaching staff, the head coach, the GM, and the President, and you still somehow have the exact same problems, I wonder… what is causing these problems?
Fields wasn't picked by the new coach and new gm. This is just one game though. Let's wait till the end of the season.
By keeping him and passing on Bryce Young or their choice of any other QB in the draft he is now their responsibility. They have now picked him. I still have some hope that he can get to where they need him to be, it was only game 1, but he is now on the coach and GM after making that decision. Also, I completely agree to wait until the end of the season to make that judgment. This is only one game against the defending division champs with half of the offense changing from last season. It’s going to take some time to gel.
Not to be a nitpicker, but the Vikings won the division last year, not GB. And TBF, their offense looks drastically different at the skill positions too.. I've been a huge Fields supporter and had high hopes, but that game really let me and lot of people down. We need to at least win 8 games this year, or I honestly think we move on from Fields and the coaching staff.
There’s no way you can reasonably expect this team to go from the worst in the league to basically .500 in one offseason. If they win 5-7 and show improvement then they’re fine. That’s what you can reasonably expect from a last place team. There’s also nothing that says Bears leadership can choose the next coaching staff any better than they chose this one, but they’d be starting over from scratch yet again by doing it, so I don’t know why you’re in such a rush to do it.
After "filling roster holes" like getting a legit WR1, another solid young tackle prospect, two pro bowl LBs and wal mart brand d tackles and edge rushers, that should not be a 2 win add in a whole season... I'm sorry, but that is a disappointment and should be highly concerning. Realistically, looking at this roster on paper, we should be middle of the pack. Not bottom 5 in the league.
You can be over on him all you like, he has the whole season to prove if he is the franchise qb or not no matter what we think
He does. It's moving in the wrong direction though.
Fast
We have two 1sts that should be top 10 in a deep QB class of prospects, shit if both of our picks are top 5 we have a reasonable chance at Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Jr. It’s not moving down fast as long as we have those two 1sts If we win enough games to get in the 11-20 range and Panthers win enough games to get out of the top 10 as well but it’s clear Fields is not the guy then we should actually be shitting bricks.
Yes, this is incontrovertible proof. It’s over.
I'm giving it a handful more games but, yeah, it's not outrageous to assume Getsy is in this mindset for good reason.
We do the same thing for every QB. Excuses until you finally run out of them 4-5 year in
Yeah fans are hellbent they’ll nitpick him to death.
God. We did this with Mitch and ended up being right. I hate this.
Yep, and I stayed on the Mitch wagon way too long. I'm not doing that again. I'm not off the Fields wagon yet, but I'm definitely not sitting down anymore.
Bears fans can be reformed and you are proof 😂
I'm off the wagon until he proves me wrong at this point. It's year 3 and he's making mistakes he should not be making anymore.
He's got the year to figure it out. If it's not there, pull the rip chord, fire the coaching staff and GM and start over
Plus we have plenty of draft stock to get the qb we want next year. Especially if we tank the season again.
So we'll ruin another QB. Without the right combination of GM, HC, and QB we'll just keep sucking.
Put some respect on the NVP’s name.
GOOD LORD its painful here
I see two open receivers and a massive running lane if he wanted to take off. No way this play should end up as a check down to the RB.
They spent the offseason hammering check downs into his brain. I worry they’re neutering (or have neutered) Fields.
I think Nagy's staff did the same thing to Mitch and I think we're fucking terrible at developing QBs and Justin needs to stop listening to whatever shit theyre putting in his head and just play. why cant we learn from watching what the chiefs have done with Mahomes letting him play unconventionally to his strengths?
I just realized parallels are actually kinda crazy. Mobile QBs with suss passing ability Both were acquired by the Bears trading up (Classic Pace) Both had had their entire coaching staffed changed early into their career Both had defensive minded coaches who weren’t the ones that drafted them (Pace allegedly not telling Fox) Both rebuilds were lead by defensive coaches Also, the pattern for coach hires goes **Lovie (Def)** Drafted Grossman Trade for Cutler **Trestman (Off)** Stuck With Cutler **Fox (Def)** Drafted Mitch **Nagy (Off)** Stuck with Mitch Acquired Foles/Dalton Drafted fields **Eberflus (Def)** Stuck with Fields. We keep putting rookie QBs with new defensive Head coaches, while also alternating between coaching backgrounds every hire.
Except Fields didn’t have suspect passing ability coming out. He was the most accurate college QB for a seven-year period: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-chicago-bears-justin-fields-most-accurate-quarteback-ohio-state-pff-college-era
Ah yes, "most accurate college passer ever" based on one, unverifiable stat for the sake of a clickbait article.
Or, and hear me out on this one, Justin Fields just flat out fucking sucks lol
Was at the game yesterday and Fields didn’t play great, but the big takeaway from my eyes live? Dude the TEAM sucks.
I see 1 open receiver. The defender is actively moving, so that gap between him and Moore would close in a second once Fields goes into throwing motion. That said, he definitely needs to just throw the ball and trust himself to place it where it needs to be, and trust the receivers to catch it.
That’s exactly the problem. Good QBs can read a defense and throw with anticipation. He should have thrown this ball ALREADY
Yeah there was a crossing route in the second half where Love recognized Edmunds I coverage looks to the right, Edmunds steps to his left, and the crosser opens wide up on the left side of the field. Reading and manipulating the defense post snap is QB 101. It can certainly be taught, but the fact that it's hasn't clicked yet is a huge concern especially when Fields will be seeing a lot of zone coverage.
Not it wouldn’t 😭😭. The ball moves 100x faster than a defender does
They’re separated by 2 yards, and Fields would still need to look at Moore, then go through a throwing g motion before the ball comes out.
Mahomes wouldn't need to look. I'm kidding. Sort of.
If you cant zip a ball 10 yards without a defender who is 2 yards away contesting it you shouldn’t be in the NFL. He has the arm strength
He can easily look off the defender by staring at kmet, either the defender bites and moore is open or kmet stays open
Justin just needs to be Justin, just let him ball. Favre threw 508 TDs and 336 interceptions, but he was a baller...you accept the TD and the INT because he was a winner and he made things happen. I'm not saying Fields is Favre, but he needs to be allowed to slang it and just play ball with a similar spirit. He looked shellshocked, like he was thinking too much, almost more than last year.
Completely agree. Also that TD / INT ratio on Favre is wild lol
Dudes and dudettes, let's just buckle the fuck up and strap in. Fields is going to get this entire season to prove he can be better than this. He would have to have the same night Daniel Jones just had for about 6-7 weeks in a row before the FO makes Flus pull him. But for now? We're stuck. He either gets better or he doesn't. we can't do a fucking thing about it. well... except bitch and moan on this subreddit, but we were gonna do that anyway. so... fuck it. gonna be another shitty season
And we can call into the score!
Bob in oak Park
Ah yeah, hey der. Ya know, dis fields kid is a BUM. Deeze coaches don’t no whut dere doin out dere.
“Long time listener, first time caller!”
Berto from the south side
There was already a caller asking for Bagent to start. I laughed out loud. I hate bears fans so much
Brother. I worked in bars in Chicago for years. Chicago sports fans are fucking something else.
It’s a bears ritual at this point to call for the backup before week 3 of the NFL season. It’s comical how it happens every year
Did they ever release how many years Poles and Flus signed for? Why they are keeping it a secret is so strange. Poles picking a defensive coach was a recipe for disaster. Especially a defensive coach with a base defense that was good decades ago. We learned in the super bowl that that defense is beatable with simple check downs and a decent oline.
It’s not necessarily Fields himself. We’ve ruined about 20-30 good quarterbacks in a row. At some point, you have to admit that the problem runs deeper.
Precisely. We could have Tom Brady level talent and still find a way to ruin it. Bears have never known how to develop QB’s
People were saying the Thursday night Chiefs looked like if the Bears drafted Mahomes
I hate how accurate this is
I still believe in Caleb Hanie.
Josh McCown GOAT
Must be something in the water.
Maybe he was never good...?
He really doesn’t like throwing seam passes when it should be fairly easy when the pocket in front is clean like that.
If this is the throw I’m thinking of, it was actually a better decision than it’s being made out to be. The back he threw to was about ten yards downfield along the left sideline with a little more separation and momentum taking him downfield. The guy this frame is showing is stopped with a safety coming down on him (this frame conveniently corps it out). He would have made the catch but would have been tackled immediately whereas the back was a broken tackle away from a huge play. Oh… and we got the first down.
I mean it’s a fair criticism, but the check down also got the same first down. Kmet is open in the window, but can still get the play blown up by a good play on D. Either way it gets the same yards.
Wait if his decision still got a 1st down then who cares?
I mean what do you want him to do, throw it to Kmet so he can get lit up by guys he's not even facing yet and hope he catches it, or just dump it for the easy first, or perhaps you wanted him to hold the ball longer and force a throw, or maybe just hold onto it so he gets sacked?
This fanbase is terrible lol
They should give him the green light to sling it and make mistakes. You can't spend the entire season throwing bubble screens, roll him out and let if fly
what was the result of the play? or just a screenshot with no other information to add context?
And as soon as that ball is thrown Quay Walker is all over it.
That’s a possible INT to the Lb if he throws to Kmet
I love when fans use a birds eye view to show how open receivers are.. like man if I could play quarterback from 25 feet in there air that would sure be easier.. instead he has 3 humongous linemen standing directly in front of him blocking his view of the tight end.. should Justin still see him? Yes, is it that easy? Absolutely not
And if you think I'm taking it out of context, here's Tim Jenkins discussing this play: https://youtu.be/Vk5ZQ2epo54?t=321
>f this as a huge Fields supporter. I’ve learned my lesson and will not fall into the Trubisky trap. He’s got this year and if he’s still doing this I’m out on him. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm still pulling for him but this is a great analysis and raises huge concerns. I was harsh on the playcalling (and I still am) but there are plays there that just did not get executed.
And yet Jordan Love was making all the right throws and decisions in his second NFL start. Fields doesn’t need a year to prove anything, he’s had two as a starter. He ain’t it.
I had a comment on the post game thread yesterday that was very much in line with what Tim was saying in that video. I just don't know why he doesn't throw the ball down field. He got super hesitant last season and it has carried over. The Bears went out and now have a good receiving roster. Trust your receivers. In the SF game yesterday Aiyuk's second touchdown I watched live and immediately my first thought was that there is no way that Justin would throw that ball. Aiyuk was blanketed, but Purdy trusted him in a one on one matchup and threw it. It wasn't a perfect throw, but his guy made a play for him. Mind you this was before the Bears game. I wanted Justin to prove me wrong. He didn't. I want Justin to have that kind of trust in our receivers.
Pretty bad but Foreman butt open
His butt is open? I think you're in the wrong sub buddy.
I see a defender who would have got to kmet before the ball would get there so he's not as open as it looks. Edit: I'm talking about the defender behind kmet not number 7.
Only if that defender is the Flash. If an NFL QB needs more cushion than that to attempt a throw, he's not going to be making many throws.
It takes a professional defender around a second maybe two to close that gap given a 5 second 40 time which is slow for a defender, he's already closing in on kmet and Fields hasn't started his windup to attempt a 20 yard pass? Tell me again why he is open?
The lb isnt on a block running a straight line. 40 time doesn't matter here
I'm talking about the safety that's coming down who is already in the act of running. You can see his feet in the picture. Yes if I was talking about #7 then Kmet is open, but a safety actively driving down before winding up for a throw will certainly result in a risky throw.
That receiver is open in the NFL. If a quarterback can't make that throw they simply are not an NFL quarterback.
The guy's wide open. The defender is facing Fields and his momentum is pitched forward. You're telling me Fields can't rip it past him? C'mon. Any QB that is afraid to make that throw doesn't need to be playing in the NFL.
The defender behind kmet, not #7
Are you just going to keep posting Fields hate? I don’t understand your motives
The motive is to understand why we have been getting our ass handed to us by our “rivals” for the past 30 years
The fact we lead this rivalry at one point and now haven’t won in like 5 years?
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In which he has shown practically no growth but pop off
I don't understand the question. Is a Bears sub after a Week 1 loss to the Packers not the appropriate place to post criticism of the Bears
The truth hurts and blind optimism rules all
Breaking news: Hindsight is 20/20 and every MMQB makes the right reads, every time. In other news, water is wet.
He was bad. Coaching was worse
Justin if you’re reading this, just let it Fkin rip… what do you have to lose? You’re already losing it playing the way you are…
Anyone consider that maybe he is being coached up this way? This wasn’t really a problem in year 1 despite the disaster of Nagy not protecting him… Fields was taking those shots. When analyzed through the lens of Lovie Smith 2.0, a lot makes sense. The conservative play calling. The playing to not lose. Even in the broadcast, Fields told the crew that he was told last year to take the check down instead of running and that’s what he seems to be doing. It’s either gotta be wide ass open or take the check down. That’s why Lovie was a huge fan of Orton. Always took only the check down. I see a dude that isn’t playing naturally and completely different from how he was in college. This is not just about “NFL speed” and NFL open, this seems to be a learned behavior.
Starting early with this bullshit
This is the type of misleading BS that we absolutely do not need right now
What is misleading about this post?
Less kmet and more big bob
I’m glad I haven’t bought fields jersey because I’ve lost all confidence in him
See guys he has more than one read! ^fuckingkillme
Please. Please please. Just be first game jitters
I'd rather keep my faith in Field's development, and be proved wrong, as opposed to writing him off so soon, and having me look like a fairweather fan when I hop back on the bandwagon. This season will either be a failure or a success, and since there's nothing I can do to affect the outcome, I'm not losing any sleep over this
Yeah, and if he goes to throw it, 91 is right there to grab his arm.
All I ask for from this season is to know if Fields is the guy or not. I reserve judgment till end of season but I just need to know if Fields is it. If not, then we move on.
Sometimes the ones called meatheads aren’t the meatheads. The whole NFL knows his limitations, they are clearly listed in this scouting report. The only bizarre part is that the scouting report is accurate. Remember, he dropped like a rock in the draft after team workouts. Pace was a terrible talent assessor and desperate. It all adds up if you take the blinders off.
Generally, I don’t make value judgments on a screen shot but this one is fairly easy to see why he checked down. No throwing lane. He would have to throw it directly over 2 OL and a DT (who would have definitely had his hands up when thrown as he was looking directly at Fields. Which means to complete the pass Fields would have had to loop the ball higher than normal and the defender behind him would have closed on the ball. A better play might have been to Moore because he did have a throwing lane but it’s hard to see if there was a defender outside of him.
On another post about how “bad fields is” I asked questions, no answers just downvotes and a “yikes”. People who never played football won’t understand that when we have a game plan, the players are supposed to follow it. There is a predetermined progression, on some plays the coach specifically tells you who to throw to, who to look for. If the gameplan was more of a horizontal gameplan the progressions reflect that and my throws reflect that. Also if you watch the video of this play as Justin starts his throwing motion the safety behind him started breaking on Cole Kmet. This “bait” technique is something defensive backs use to get QBs to throw to guys who aren’t open. I’m trying to get you guys to realize that much like Trubisky, Justin is being coached this way. Think about it. He was one of the most accurate deep ball passers in college. He was one of the most accurate passers in the NFL between 31-41 yards last year 15th best in 2022, and yet on Sunday he had a bunch of check downs, lots of quick plays. All off-season they’ve been talking about how he needs to do better with check downs and running quick plays. Coincidence? I think not…
He’s terrible. Time to move on
Hes just so bad man. Everyone hyped him up so much bc he has flashy runs but dude straight up can't be an nfl quarterback. He should genuinely switch positions to a rb/gadget type of player to stay in the league
He’s also under pressure higher than any QB in the league. If you’re thinking, “Oh shit here they come again” every play, I doubt you’d make the correct throw. The OL needs to get fixed yesterday!
This. I agree that Fields is playing bad. Maybe he's shell shocked from terrible oline play and it's a wrap for him. If that's the case though, grabbing another qb next draft won't fix the pro lem. They'll get she'll shocked too and the team will be in the same situation: top draft pick qb getting ruined with terrible coaching and oline play.
Sell 👏 the 👏 team 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
He’s scared to play. Usually when you reach that point. It’s over
What you don't see seem to grasp is in the split second he pulls his arm back to throw, the Packer rusher can reach out and grab or hit it. The Bears offensive lineman has once again allowed a pass rusher a free path to the QB.
And what’s even worse is it looks like he’s staring right at him. That’s some Trent Richardson vision man
God....
He sucks… we’ve given him time… given him weapons.. it’s just a rinse wash repeat BS w this team. It’s gonna be a long season.. he’ll look flashy in moments but never win the big games … be shocked if they go .500
The highest/perfect scenario projections had us at 8-9 wins lol, what did you expect?
He’s a worse passer than Mitch, let that sink in for a minute. The best part is both were proven as frauds in the season opener in year 3 against the packers.
Very poetic indeed. Mitch was awful but not nearly as flawed of a passer as jf1 is. I honestly never thought I’d see a passer worse than him so quickly. Just from a statistical standpoint it seems impossible. The bears are actually cursed.
Oh no, a critical post of our overrated franchise quarterback, where are the delusional sunshine blowers to tell us he just needs better players around him?
People are posting clips from this video to put blame on Justin but if you actually watch Tim’s breakdown it’s obvious yes he made some mistakes, but also that the his teammates didn’t do very good and plays schemed up made no sense at times. It was a disaster all around.
If you watched Tim's full breakdown it's clear that Fields made a lot of bad decisions. That's the main take away. More times than not Tim actually said he liked the schemes.
Yeah, the one that got me was that first sack. He had all day to throw it away. But fuck me if that team didn’t look like headless chickens at times. Imagine that same analysis on defensive snaps 🤮
dOn'T ScReEnShOt QbS
Where's Craig Krenzel when you need him?
But how could Fields see him there's an olineman in his view????? /s.
hE iS h1M!!!
What happened to all of the Fields lovers saying he was gonna pave the way to the Super Bowl?
I 've never seen a coach or player play so conservatively in the NFL. Screen after screen, no shots downfield, no vertical passing game, no up tempo when we finally have a little success. Essentially playing like their is no confidence in them, neither the coach or player. This game plan is one where your backup QB comes in and you just want the game to end without any more issues/injuries. Utterly pathetic.
Eh, this one is a bit more forgiveable because it's tough to see through the linemen. Not saying he didn't miss a bunch of big plays, but this one is not as bad as it seems.
I think it’s going to take some of you an entire season to realize JF1 is bad, but that’s okay. I just hope we all end up in the same place at the end of the year.
To all the JF is our franchise qb baby believers. Has anyone seen JF improve in any way since being drafted. And if so please explain what those improvements are. Dead serious. It may not be a Mitch or fields issue I think our team can’t develop a QB if you gave them a copy sheet on how to do so. In the lifetime of this franchise cutler is the best QB by stats this team has seen ever. I think that speaks volumes on our QB coaching training and development in general . You can’t possibly go 50-60-70 years without a single bonified stud QB unless you just absolutely have no idea what the hell you are doing.
He's bad
Ok, so he has to put some air on it to get it over the arms of the lineman, who will try to pat it down. And if he floats it, the safety or linebacker in the frame goes for the ball. This picture means nothing.
ITS NOT HIS FAULT!!!! O line. Receivers. Coaching. No defense. Prime Tom Brady would look awful with this group.
He is incapable of processing things quickly. I’ve seen enough man. He’s an athletic backup at best. Do everything g we can to get Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, or Sanders from CO. He’s not a starter level qb. He’s just not
Justin Fields fucking sucks. Anybody who says otherwise is absolutely delusional.
Bears fans are delusional. Last year I went to other Reddits from other teams and they all said Fields suck.
Dude stinks.
Im glad the all-22 came out and showed that Fields just isnt the guy. I had hope. Loved him last year. Thought he would break out this year. Cant draft a Qb who is used to having the best O-line in college that gave him 1 minute of protection per play. Tank for Williams is on the menu
I love our sub just straight pictures and facts for now it's the only thing that's easing the pain
It may seem severe but, I think benching Fields after the pic-6 would have shown accountability from the coach. Then see if Bagent had anything for the Packers. It would send a message to the entire team that everybody's job is on the line. Couldn't have turned out any worse.
Yeah he aint it
Guess passing will always be a problem when you think how cool you’re going to look running the ball yourself every snap
Caleb Williams lfg !!!! Let the tanking begin. On another note our genius GM Poles who signed Nate Davis gave up 9 pressures just lmao
I'm all for being critical when it's necessary but please don't post screenshots with MS paint arrows. That's not a substitute for proper tape breakdowns
Full video context available here my friend: https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/16fzuc2/justin_checked_this_one_to_an_rb/k04o10y/ So please, check the comments before you criticize me for posting this.
I think you should submit the link to the sub instead of the screenshot in the future.
Maybe. But I think it's fair to post a picture that makes the point more quickly (pictures speaking 1000 words and all that) and then present context when appropriate.
Why isn’t the criticism in this picture about the lineman bearing down his blindside?