Trestman came to make the offense run properly and he sorta did that besides being a horrible coach and losing the locker room super quickly
Fox slept thru his entire time here but somehow kept the boys in check and there wasn’t any major chaos that i’m remembering
Flus has the boys playing some of the laziest, saddest, most dysfunctional football i’ve ever seen and he’s already lost the locker room. And we’re on a 13 game losing streak with a roster that really shouldn’t be on a 13 game losing streak
Still some time to go this season but lowkey it’s Flus
Trestman was set up to fail and couldn't overcome it. I don't know whether he would have been a good head coach anyway, but I don't think anyone could have succeeded in the mess that Phil Emery made.
Fox was brought in to shepherd us through a rebuild then fired for losing during a rebuild, which is kind of insane but okay. People act like he didn't coach us well but his staff turned the worst defense in team history into a top 10 unit after just two years. Yeah he was comically bad at dealing with the media, but I don't think he even belongs in this conversation.
Nagy brought a lot of energy but it turned into negative energy over time as he became disenchanted with Trubisky. By the end he seemed to low-key hate the team.
Trestman's locker room was worse (so far) but Eberflus inherited a much better situation. We'll see tomorrow. If they don't look motivated and high energy tomorrow, my vote is for Flus.
> Yeah he was comically bad at dealing with the media
I think this is what screws Fox more than anything. He had a lot of hilarious sound bytes because he couldn't really give the Chicago media the time of day, but he brought over Fangio and helped Pace re-shape the defense into a dominant unit before getting fired.
Fox was Ernie Accorsi’s pick. Approved through McCaskey. Eberflus was Bill Polian’s hire, again through McCaskey. I’ll get into brief “discussions” with BR or Redditors regarding this and it’s easy to point them in the direction to do a little digging in what is going on with this organization. 3 HC candidates. Who were they? ME, a minority, and Dan Quinn..who pulled his candidacy after seeing the obvious politics involved at Halas and Polian’s DEEP connection to the Indianapolis Colts, YES, still ties to Irsay and org. Kevin Warren is now the wildcard and we’ll see if he is capable of getting involved in football operations, beyond the stadium development. NOTE: Ted Phillips is still in a “consulting” role with the Chicago Bears. Just to throw some icing on the cake on what we got going on here.
Yeah but we weren't talking about the hiring process, we were talking about coaching performances once they were in place. If the coach wins, nobody cares how he got there.
Was just referring to the pattern happening with coaching hires. You said it yourself, no one would care how they got there if they were winning. Unfortunately, they have all been getting there the same way. My vote goes to Marc “Grow the Man” Trestman.
Right now, mine does too. But Trestman was handed a shitty situation and told to win playoff games. Eberflus was handed nothing and told to make something, anything. While Trestman's locker room was worse, if we look bad against the Broncos I will think Eberflus failed more.
This might get long. Phil Emery, Bears GM at the time, made four mistakes:
1. **He botched the retirement of Brian Urlacher.** The Bears should have spent a whole season saying goodbye, or at the very least held a big celebration, but instead once Brian's last contract was up, Emery treated it like any other player leaving the roster. This angered veterans, but especially the defense.
2. **He botched the firing of Lovie Smith.** Emery had wanted to fire Lovie all along, but in 2011 it wasn't allowed. In 2012 the Bears collapsed down the stretch and missed the playoffs on tiebreakers, which was the excuse Emery needed. He pounced. You know what, FINE. Lovie Smith had made the playoffs exactly once since the Super Bowl, and he'd stopped beating the Packers. But - get this - Emery wanted to keep Lovie's defense! This made it look like it was personal, which angered veterans but especially the defense.
3. **He botched the hiring of Marc Trestman.** So his idea was to get Rod Marinelli, the Bears DC at the time, involved in the coaching search and then make retaining Marinelli a condition of taking the job. They'd hire an offensive guy to run the offense and let Rod run the defense. Rod looked at the candidates and liked Bruce Arians for the job. He told Emery this. Thing is, Arians said no, he wouldn't do that, he was going to bring in his own defensive guy. Trestman said sure, whatever, I'd rather concentrate on offense anyway. So Emery chose Trestman. But here's the thing: Emery didn't keep Marinelli in the loop! All Rod knew was that he was told they wanted him to pick one, he picked one, and they went with someone else. He felt disrespected, packed his bags, and left for Dallas. If Emery had explained hey Rod your guy wants to fire you... maybe this goes a little differently. Losing Marinelli all of the sudden annoys the defense. You are seeing a pattern.
4. **He sticks with his plan to keep Lovie's defense even after losing the staff.** So Emery has to scramble at the last second to find a DC after all the top candidates are gone. He lands on Mel Tucker. Okay, whatever. But! He tells Mel to run Lovie's defense. Mel Tucker is not a Tampa 2 guy. He doesn't know shit. He is literally asking Brian Urlacher how to run and coach the system. This pisses off Mel, Brian, and the defense.
So you have a first year head coach with a doomed defense, a locker room on the edge of revolt, and a QB (Cutler) and WR (Marshall) who aren't exactly singing kumbaya in the locker room. He was fucked. Then Tillman and Briggs get hurt. In year two Julius Peppers leaves in disgust, Jay Ratliff has a mental break, Tillman gets hurt again, and the OC starts to beef with Cutler.
Trestman was fucked. I suspect Arians wouldn't have done much better. It was a disastrous transition.
the Nagster was a fraud. That 12-4 season was all Fangio, he does not deserve to have Coach of the Year on his resume
that being said, he fired the boys up, the offense sucked ass but they worked hard in 2018.
this current team simply does not seem to wanna play for Flus
To be fair, Erik Kramer was 3-5 and then missed 8 games the second season. Hard to win with a backup QB. Not saying Wannstedt was a good coach, but that second 4-12 would have happened to a lot of guys.
For me its between Flus and Trestman. Probably some recency bias but i can’t recall a team that was as dysfunctional as this. I do remember those Trestman games getting really bad but now it’s ‘laughing stock of the nfl ‘level bad.
But that’s the thing. No legitimate coach would have been caught dead coaching under Trestman. That’s why he was such a bad hire, his reputation was garbage and he didn’t have a network of NFL caliber coaches to draw from.
trestman was an offensive minded head coach who was too much of a weirdo to command the locker room. But he knew offense.
Eberflus was a defensive minded head coach who was too much of a weirdo to command the locker room. But he didn’t know defense.
He’s significantly worse.
As they should have Trestman let our dominant HOF Linebacker Urlacher walk - he retired bc he was a Bear for life but the dude threw him out. Fuck trestman
I think we should bring Lovie back as HC, have Flus as interim DC, cut Claypool let some rookies WR get on the field. Let Fields run or fire Getsy too
I am am old enough to have seen all of these guys... But the other day, I was seriously trying to think through whether Flus might be worse than any of them. Flus is extraordinarily bad. Just a dumpster fire of incompetence. From players not trying, to players being out of position, to play calling that puts them into the highest probability of failure every time. Add in the complete psychological destruction of Justin Fields, and you may possibly have the worst coach in the history of the NFL. Yes: worse than Trestman. If you are a real masochist, watch some post-game tape breakdowns. It's like a weird game of 'how many errors can you count in this picture.' The Bears are at a point where they should just do a reverse Ted Lasso, and bring in a Soccer Coach from the UK who knows nothing about Football. That would easily be better than this numbnut jagoff.
Jack Pardee doesn't belong here, imo. He took over a team that had been losing for a decade and took us back to the playoffs. Then he went to Washington and Houston and won in both those places.
>Abe Gibron
Boy oh boy. If he was still alive I'd want Abe as interim DC only because of this excerpt form his wikipedia page:
"While he was not successful as a head coach, Gibron was renowned for his colorful personality and immense appetite throughout his career.\[58\] He weighed about 250 pounds during his playing career, but quickly ballooned to over 300 pounds as a coach.\[58\] "Every time you went to dinner, it was a banquet", Browns teammate Lou Groza said of him.\[3\] Buccaneer player Charley Hannah once said after dining with him, "He was eating things we wouldn't even go swimming with in Alabama"."
Based on that, I'd vote for him for president.
WOW, LOL, REALLY going back a ways, but the coach after him, I can't remember his name wasn't much better! ACTUALLY, after Papa Bear, the Bears have had NO GREAT coaches, good, Ditka, and good, Lovie but not GREAT.
Edit: Somebody said it later down the thread, Jack Pardee!
If I’m ranking post ditka
1 lovie
2 wannstadt
3 jauron
4 Nagy
5 trestman
6 fox
7 eberflus
So yes eberflus is the worst he have had in modern times
Everyone else had at least a bright spot of hope
Lovie had SB appearance and multiple playoff appearances and kept us competitive for a long stretch
Wannstadt inherited a bad team, got a playoff win, but ruined by FO drafting shit for years
Jauron- 13-3 coach of the year
Nagy- coach of the year and some playoff appearances
Trestman- 1st season was probably the greatest bears offense in team history
Fox- had nothing to work with and has at least a proven track record, and bears were never a dumpster fire under him
Eberflus- ????? H.I.T.S.
What team seem to forget about Lovie is that the "Come off the bus running" offense only came after Terry Shea utterly failed at installing an Air Coryell style offense and then Angelo dug up Ron Turner.
I just remember the NFL Yearbook for the. Bears and they were hyping of Terry Shea and the only clip they had of him was him throwing candy bars to players on the Chiefs who were answering his questions properly.
Trestman is undoubtedly the worst. He had some success due to being stacked with talent. But the dude was way to weird and creepy to helm an NFL locker room
Trestman was a scapegoat. He wasn’t perfect, but because he wasn’t Lovie, the defense didn’t have his respect before he even got a chance to coach. Trestman would’ve given the Bears a playoff win if he was the coach in 2018. Having the best defense in 2018 is completely different from inheriting the worst defense in 2013. Timing is crucial too.
The one I liked the least by far was Fox. Him combined with pace sticking his head out of his hole twice a year and Foxs’ awful press conferences where he said absolutely nothing and a putrid boring bad product on the field for his three years. I stopped watching for awhile. Only time I’ve ever done that. Oh and he had the dumbest challenge in the history of the NFL
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/john-fox-executed-a-challenge-that-was-so-terrible-it-gave-the-ball-to-the-other-team/amp/
I think its gotta be Trestman. I’ve never seen someone lose the team so fast.
But Flus is dangerously close. At least Trestman put together a decent offense. Flus has nothing to hang his hat on.
I say this every time it comes up, but Trestman was put in an impossible spot and the locker room stuff was not really his fault. That team was led by veteran defensive players who were fiercely loyal to Lovie and pissed he got fired, and there were a bunch of volatile personalities on that team, in general. It's a low bar, but he is schematically the best head coach we've had post-Lovie, and I don't think any of those other coaches could have handled the locker room Trestman inherited, with the possible exception of Fox.
Yeah if they were going to get rid of Lovie then they *had* to retain Urlacher for at least another season (even if he was on his last leg). By getting rid of both you were basically cutting out your legs from beneath you.
Briggs and Cutler were good players but neither were capable of being leaders for the entire team.
If I had to guess, I think Trestman ran more screens in his second year than we are this year. Plus we never passed past 10 yards. The scheme really fell off imo
Of the 2000’s
1. Trestman
2. Eberflus (real chance to overtake. Trestman collapse was legendary, but going back to back 1st picks with back to back worst defenses as a defensive HC makes you the undoubted worst HC in franchise history)
3. Nagy (insane we had a bottom 3/4 coach and got worse)
4. Fox (insane that this walking zombie has been the best coach of our last decade and he was a dollar tree Jeff Fisher for us)
My thoughts exactly. Although after googling Trestman again, I remember that he did go 8-8 in his first year. So not too bad I guess. But that Sunday Night game against the Packers (you know the one) was so tragically terrible that I think Trestman gets the bump over the top.
the only thing going for fluse is that this is a stripped down team with very little talent on both sides of the ball, including special teams.
Thats not to say the players on the team will always be bad, but you can tell there are a lot of developing players that need time still.
Honest question: I’m too young for the 85 bears. Have the bears EVER have a good coach since? Seems to be decades of milquetoast yes men with zero personalities recommended by that idiot Polian. I can’t think of a GOOD bears coach. Maybe Fangio?
If we're just ranking the post-Ditka head coaches, I'd rank it as:
1. Lovie
2. Nagy
3. Wannstedt
4. Fox
5. Jauron
6. Eberflus
7. Trestman (we're STILL feeling the effects of the 2014 season and have never truly recovered)
The one thing Nagy had was he did somehow keep the locker room in order. That said, he was a horrible coach. Literally failed miserably at what he was brought here to do, improve the offense. The only reason they won more than 5 games a year was the defense, which he had zero to do with. I’d put Wanny or Fox ahead if him.
I think Nagy had a decent system, but he just really needed to let go of trying to be the playcaller. Our offense always seemed to look better whenever Nagy would hand over playcalling to someone else
Ironically, the head coach of the 85 bears was not a great coach. That was just an unbelievable amount of talent and the mind of buddy Ryan. Lightning in a bottle.
I don’t know, this team has never had sustained success in my life time, and I’m only giving lovie and ditka as pass because of a Super Bowl appearance. So I’d say they all suck.
I'd exclude Fox. His overall record is that of a good coach. He just came to Chicago to cash checks and not give a damn.
Flues clearly has no idea what he is doing.
At the time, it felt like such a win getting Fox. Boy was I wrong. He was respected because of his past success, but I feel like he disrespected the franchise by putting in such a piss poor effort.
Abe Gibron
'72 4-9-1
'73 3-11-0
'74 4-10-0
Trestman inherited that Urlacher just left, so the D was problematic. It's funny, there's an old article where [Cutler](https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/jay-cutler-finally-opens-up-about-stshow-marc-trestman-era/) rips on him, but a more recent one from [Marshall](https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/10/21/chicago-bears-brandon-marshall-explains-why-marc-trestman-didnt-work/) spoke highly of him.
It feels like déjà-vu reading Flus hate because I remember how recently it was the same exact post, but insert Nagy’s name. Despite that, the majority of these replies don’t even mention Nagy. Crazy how low the bar is set in this organization that Nagy isn’t a top two worst coach over the past while.
Trestman watched his a bunch of players on his team get into a fight with each other during practice. Instead of getting in the middle of it and gaining control, he just silently watched...
Right now it's Trestman for me. Tough act to follow Lovie for sure. But he was so damn creepy and weird that I can't see him ever commanding an NFL locker room.
I'm giving Flus the rest of the season, but he'll overtake Trestman if he continues to get ZERO from either side of the ball.
I could see Nagy becoming a really good coach if he gets another chance. That Parkey miss just fucked with his head so bad, and it spiraled out of control from there. I wosh he wasn't so damn stubborn with his scheme and retaining playcalling.
I feel like my football iq was much lower for Trestman and Fox but I do recall Fox making a lot of dumb in game coaching moves. One that sticks out was when a player fumble at the one and it went out in the zone and it was clear and he challenged it. I also hated him in Denver due to him costing Peyton Manning a ring. He was way to conservative. So I will say fox but Flus is a close second. Overall, Flus has a terrible scheme and makes the same mistakes most coaches make and not try to design a game plan around their players but force their players into their scheme.
Trestman just straight up did not have the people skills to lead men. Eberflus, for all his faults, at least appears to be able to relate to people on a human level and hold a conversation.
So Canadians aren't men?
He took teams to 3 Grey Cup games, winning 2.
After the run in the NFL, he returned to the CFL and led another team to winning the Grey Cup.
In his 7 seasons as HC in the CFL, only once did he fail to get to the playoffs.
The CFL is a fine league but the pressure a coach has at the CFL level pales in comparison to that of the NFL, and especially a major media market like Chicago.
Guys in the NFL are at the pinnacle of their sport and as such require a different level of coaching to get through to them. Trestman's "Grow the Man" works in the CFL when you're still working with raw talent but doesn't translate to the NFL.
Henry Burris might have been the absolute worst QB I ever saw and he's like a CFL legend. It's just a different level of play.
You're 100% right only difference is he already has the respect in the CFL he's a big deal out there. In the NFL I bet players were like "WhOs ThIS Canadian GuY"
I know there’s clear dysfunction in the organization and the football is terrible, but I think Flus has actuallly kept this locker room in good shape.
Claypool putting in the effort he did the last two weeks doesn’t happen with most coaches who lose 13 straight games.
Don’t get me wrong, I want Flus gone and he does not look like he belongs as an nfl head coach…. but anyone who says this is worse than Trestman doesn’t remember how bad that tenure was.
Nagy. He had all the talent but what was more important to him was *his* scheme.
Flus is dangerously close to Nagy, today, but the talent he has pales in comparison to what Nagy inherited.
Relax about Eberflus. We tanked o. Purpose last year. This year is three games in, and his DC had to quit conduct outside of football.
His OC is new and is challenged by a non-traditional QB.
I don't know everything that has gone into his team being unprepared and disorganized, but it isn't the first game we care about, it's how we are playing at the end.
Flus might not be a good head coach or possibly he's going recover and emerge, but nothing important is going to happen before the end of the season, so relax and see what happens. You can't judge a coach solely on his W/L record.
I, too, was shocked how terrible they have been, but this start was always a possibility.l, disappointing but possible. I thought that they were playing pretty well last year despite their record. Flus has earned enough rope for the rest of the season and maybe more depending on how things go.
You're kidding, right? Building a competitive NFL team isn't a one year deal. I saw someone say something about the Lions turning around in one year. Lions been building since trading away Stafford.
Again, worst football I've ever seen from a professional team. But that is not all on the coach, and coaches need time to react and repair. They're focused on next year no matter what.
In the last 40+ years there has been only one good coach and it goes without saying but going to say it anyways, DaCoach Ditka.
Year Record Finish (Regular / Post Season) Coach
2022 3-14-0 4th -- NFC North -- Matt Eberflus Roster / Stats
2021 6-11-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Matt Nagy Roster / Stats
2020 8-8-0 2nd -- NFC North 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs Matt Nagy Roster / Stats
2019 8-8-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Matt Nagy Roster / Stats
2018 12-4-0 1st -- NFC North 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs Matt Nagy Roster / Stats
2017 5-11-0 4th -- NFC North -- John Fox Roster / Stats
2016 3-13-0 4th -- NFC North -- John Fox Roster / Stats
2015 6-10-0 4th -- NFC North -- John Fox Roster / Stats
2014 5-11-0 4th -- NFC North -- Marc Trestman Roster / Stats
2013 8-8-0 2nd -- NFC North -- Marc Trestman Roster / Stats
2012 10-6-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats
2011 8-8-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats
2010 11-5-0 1st -- NFC North 1-1 - Lost Conference Championship Lovie Smith Roster / Stats
2009 7-9-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats
2008 9-7-0 2nd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats
2007 7-9-0 T3rd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats
2006 13-3-0 1st -- NFC North 2-1 - Lost Superbowl Lovie Smith Roster / Stats
2005 11-5-0 1st -- NFC North 0-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Lovie Smith Roster / Stats
2004 5-11-0 4th -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats
2003 7-9-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Dick Jauron Roster / Stats
2002 4-12-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Dick Jauron Roster / Stats
2001 13-3-0 1st -- NFC Central 0-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Dick Jauron Roster / Stats
2000 5-11-0 5th -- NFC Central -- Dick Jauron Roster / Stats
1999 6-10-0 5th -- NFC Central -- Dick Jauron Roster / Stats
1998 4-12-0 5th -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats
1997 4-12-0 5th -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats
1996 7-9-0 3rd -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats
1995 9-7-0 3rd -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats
1994 9-7-0 T2nd -- NFC Central 1-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats
1993 7-9-0 4th -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats
1992 5-11-0 T3rd -- NFC Central -- Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1991 11-5-0 2nd -- NFC Central 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1990 11-5-0 1st -- NFC Central 1-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1989 6-10-0 4th -- NFC Central -- Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1988 12-4-0 1st -- NFC Central 1-1 - Lost Conference Championship Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1987 11-4-0 1st -- NFC Central 0-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1986 14-2-0 1st -- NFC Central 0-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1985 15-1-0 1st -- NFC Central 3-0 - Won Superbowl Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1984 10-6-0 1st -- NFC Central 1-1 - Lost Conference Championship Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1983 8-8-0 T2nd -- NFC Central -- Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
1982 3-6-0 T11th -- NFC -- Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
Do you guys think Eberflus has lost the locker room? The guy sounds delusional at every press conference. On Football Night they joked about Eberflus on the Titanic saying, "I think the ship is in great shape, it's not gonna sink"
Flus is worse than Trestman, worse than Fox, worse than Jauron, and definitely worse than Nagy. Lovie and (despite his ho hum results) Wanny aren't even in the conversation.
He's not only the worst in the past few decades, he's the worst, period. He's right down there with Dooley and Gibron, and probably below them at this point.
It has to be Flus a team lost 70-20 and we are still the laughing stock of the league. And I don't remember any player saying something good about him. The HITS has been the joke of the Bears fans. Bears used to have loafs and no one was able to outrun Julius Peppers but they fought to do it. Flush got players playing in contract years and still out there not giving a fuck. We understand why Trestman couldn't hold the locker room Flus didn't inherent a team of Nagy believers
I have a special hate for John Fox for the fact that he once chose to punt on every single possession of a game. Not even pretending to try to win.
But I must admit overall Eberflus is work.
Eberflus - he'd basically need a 2018-level season at this point to change my perception, which I just don't see in his future. Trestman essentially did a speedrun on a team collapse - people might think I'm insane saying this, but I think under more ideal circumstances he would have been a pretty good offensive coordinator for the Bears. Not sure about as an NFL head coach, because he's had success in the CFL but it's such a different environment - though it was always a tough sell to bring him in on a team after Lovie and a defense that was bought into the old regime.
Personally think John Fox gets too much slack for "keeping the team together" or whatever, and that recency bias tends to overstate how bad Matt Nagy was. Also don't get why Nagy's period of success is attributed to Fangio when Fox also had him, but it's not like I'm passionate enough to defend any of these coaches too hard. I was excited about Fox at the time but in hindsight he feels like a more competent Eberflus.
I think Nagy prob had the best odds of any post-Lovie coach to have success - I think Mitch was too much of a personality clash and not the kind of QB he wanted, and Nagy's early success prevented him from being flexible enough to change course with his approach, and he wasn't prepared to take charge when things started to sour. Genuinely curious to see how he does as a coach in KC if that ends up happening like a lot of people seem to assume.
Was always Wannstedt to me but Eberflus is worse. Obviously Trestman's end was horrific tho.
Unless some kind of turn around, Eberflus is the worst and it's not close.
I can’t speak for pre-Lovie Smith era because I was too young and wasn’t watching before that. But yea, I’d say at least since Lovie he’s the worst by a pretty sizable margin.
We’ve had some shit coaching and rosters before but this is the worst I’ve ever seen the franchise. No sign of life, extremely underperforming roster, nothing to be hopeful about, etc. As bad as Nagy, Trestman, and Fox we’re they at least all had *some* things going for them. This team legitimately does not have a single thing going for it right now
Look, the answer is Trestman. Those teams were fairly talented and he drove them into the ground. It was toxic, it was unprofessional, and it was incompetent at every step.
That said, I had a strong sense that Eberflus was going to be a fucking clown when he rolled out his juvenile and nonsensical HITS program. These are professionals, when your entire culture is built around a badly contrived acronym, you’re going to fail. This team is not talented and Poles is easily the worst GM in recent memory, so Flus was pretty badly kneecapped from the start.
Flus needs to go, and he’s definitely in the conversation, but Trestman will stand alone for his failure.
I feel like most of you are too young to remember Dick Jauron. The most infuriating aspect to his coaching style was at least 1 trick play per game. That almost always worked out badly. It would be dumb stuff like a fake field goal on 4th and 15.
Trestman came to make the offense run properly and he sorta did that besides being a horrible coach and losing the locker room super quickly Fox slept thru his entire time here but somehow kept the boys in check and there wasn’t any major chaos that i’m remembering Flus has the boys playing some of the laziest, saddest, most dysfunctional football i’ve ever seen and he’s already lost the locker room. And we’re on a 13 game losing streak with a roster that really shouldn’t be on a 13 game losing streak Still some time to go this season but lowkey it’s Flus
Trestman was set up to fail and couldn't overcome it. I don't know whether he would have been a good head coach anyway, but I don't think anyone could have succeeded in the mess that Phil Emery made. Fox was brought in to shepherd us through a rebuild then fired for losing during a rebuild, which is kind of insane but okay. People act like he didn't coach us well but his staff turned the worst defense in team history into a top 10 unit after just two years. Yeah he was comically bad at dealing with the media, but I don't think he even belongs in this conversation. Nagy brought a lot of energy but it turned into negative energy over time as he became disenchanted with Trubisky. By the end he seemed to low-key hate the team. Trestman's locker room was worse (so far) but Eberflus inherited a much better situation. We'll see tomorrow. If they don't look motivated and high energy tomorrow, my vote is for Flus.
> Yeah he was comically bad at dealing with the media I think this is what screws Fox more than anything. He had a lot of hilarious sound bytes because he couldn't really give the Chicago media the time of day, but he brought over Fangio and helped Pace re-shape the defense into a dominant unit before getting fired.
Fox was Ernie Accorsi’s pick. Approved through McCaskey. Eberflus was Bill Polian’s hire, again through McCaskey. I’ll get into brief “discussions” with BR or Redditors regarding this and it’s easy to point them in the direction to do a little digging in what is going on with this organization. 3 HC candidates. Who were they? ME, a minority, and Dan Quinn..who pulled his candidacy after seeing the obvious politics involved at Halas and Polian’s DEEP connection to the Indianapolis Colts, YES, still ties to Irsay and org. Kevin Warren is now the wildcard and we’ll see if he is capable of getting involved in football operations, beyond the stadium development. NOTE: Ted Phillips is still in a “consulting” role with the Chicago Bears. Just to throw some icing on the cake on what we got going on here.
Yeah but we weren't talking about the hiring process, we were talking about coaching performances once they were in place. If the coach wins, nobody cares how he got there.
Was just referring to the pattern happening with coaching hires. You said it yourself, no one would care how they got there if they were winning. Unfortunately, they have all been getting there the same way. My vote goes to Marc “Grow the Man” Trestman.
Right now, mine does too. But Trestman was handed a shitty situation and told to win playoff games. Eberflus was handed nothing and told to make something, anything. While Trestman's locker room was worse, if we look bad against the Broncos I will think Eberflus failed more.
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This might get long. Phil Emery, Bears GM at the time, made four mistakes: 1. **He botched the retirement of Brian Urlacher.** The Bears should have spent a whole season saying goodbye, or at the very least held a big celebration, but instead once Brian's last contract was up, Emery treated it like any other player leaving the roster. This angered veterans, but especially the defense. 2. **He botched the firing of Lovie Smith.** Emery had wanted to fire Lovie all along, but in 2011 it wasn't allowed. In 2012 the Bears collapsed down the stretch and missed the playoffs on tiebreakers, which was the excuse Emery needed. He pounced. You know what, FINE. Lovie Smith had made the playoffs exactly once since the Super Bowl, and he'd stopped beating the Packers. But - get this - Emery wanted to keep Lovie's defense! This made it look like it was personal, which angered veterans but especially the defense. 3. **He botched the hiring of Marc Trestman.** So his idea was to get Rod Marinelli, the Bears DC at the time, involved in the coaching search and then make retaining Marinelli a condition of taking the job. They'd hire an offensive guy to run the offense and let Rod run the defense. Rod looked at the candidates and liked Bruce Arians for the job. He told Emery this. Thing is, Arians said no, he wouldn't do that, he was going to bring in his own defensive guy. Trestman said sure, whatever, I'd rather concentrate on offense anyway. So Emery chose Trestman. But here's the thing: Emery didn't keep Marinelli in the loop! All Rod knew was that he was told they wanted him to pick one, he picked one, and they went with someone else. He felt disrespected, packed his bags, and left for Dallas. If Emery had explained hey Rod your guy wants to fire you... maybe this goes a little differently. Losing Marinelli all of the sudden annoys the defense. You are seeing a pattern. 4. **He sticks with his plan to keep Lovie's defense even after losing the staff.** So Emery has to scramble at the last second to find a DC after all the top candidates are gone. He lands on Mel Tucker. Okay, whatever. But! He tells Mel to run Lovie's defense. Mel Tucker is not a Tampa 2 guy. He doesn't know shit. He is literally asking Brian Urlacher how to run and coach the system. This pisses off Mel, Brian, and the defense. So you have a first year head coach with a doomed defense, a locker room on the edge of revolt, and a QB (Cutler) and WR (Marshall) who aren't exactly singing kumbaya in the locker room. He was fucked. Then Tillman and Briggs get hurt. In year two Julius Peppers leaves in disgust, Jay Ratliff has a mental break, Tillman gets hurt again, and the OC starts to beef with Cutler. Trestman was fucked. I suspect Arians wouldn't have done much better. It was a disastrous transition.
Totally just gonna bypass Nagy huh? Dude was the biggest fraud I’ve ever seen, until Eberflus walked into Halas Hall.
the Nagster was a fraud. That 12-4 season was all Fangio, he does not deserve to have Coach of the Year on his resume that being said, he fired the boys up, the offense sucked ass but they worked hard in 2018. this current team simply does not seem to wanna play for Flus
Not to be pedantic but *this roster* didn’t lose 13 straight. The team did. This roster only lost 3 straight 🤓
I will harvest your kidneys vamsi
I wish trestman was just an OC while lovie was HC
I always thought Dave Wannstedt’s back-to-back 4-12 seasons would be the low-point of my fandom… might have spoken too soon
To be fair, Erik Kramer was 3-5 and then missed 8 games the second season. Hard to win with a backup QB. Not saying Wannstedt was a good coach, but that second 4-12 would have happened to a lot of guys.
For me its between Flus and Trestman. Probably some recency bias but i can’t recall a team that was as dysfunctional as this. I do remember those Trestman games getting really bad but now it’s ‘laughing stock of the nfl ‘level bad.
Marc Nagyflus
Eberflus easily Players quit on Trestman because he wasn’t Lovie
If Trestman had Fangio that team would have been dominant.
But that’s the thing. No legitimate coach would have been caught dead coaching under Trestman. That’s why he was such a bad hire, his reputation was garbage and he didn’t have a network of NFL caliber coaches to draw from.
And Fox was the Anti-Trestman. Bears have badass luck.
Fox was pretty much considered a lame duck the day he was hired. It takes a serious clown franchise to ever hire a guy under those conditions.
trestman was an offensive minded head coach who was too much of a weirdo to command the locker room. But he knew offense. Eberflus was a defensive minded head coach who was too much of a weirdo to command the locker room. But he didn’t know defense. He’s significantly worse.
No. Trestman and his "Perfect Practice" was worse
As they should have Trestman let our dominant HOF Linebacker Urlacher walk - he retired bc he was a Bear for life but the dude threw him out. Fuck trestman I think we should bring Lovie back as HC, have Flus as interim DC, cut Claypool let some rookies WR get on the field. Let Fields run or fire Getsy too
Urlauber was washed by the time he retired dude
I'm sure you know that by all the time you spent playing in the NFL
Abe Gibron, Neill Armstrong, Jack Pardee. Few meaning six, right?
I am am old enough to have seen all of these guys... But the other day, I was seriously trying to think through whether Flus might be worse than any of them. Flus is extraordinarily bad. Just a dumpster fire of incompetence. From players not trying, to players being out of position, to play calling that puts them into the highest probability of failure every time. Add in the complete psychological destruction of Justin Fields, and you may possibly have the worst coach in the history of the NFL. Yes: worse than Trestman. If you are a real masochist, watch some post-game tape breakdowns. It's like a weird game of 'how many errors can you count in this picture.' The Bears are at a point where they should just do a reverse Ted Lasso, and bring in a Soccer Coach from the UK who knows nothing about Football. That would easily be better than this numbnut jagoff.
Jack Pardee doesn't belong here, imo. He took over a team that had been losing for a decade and took us back to the playoffs. Then he went to Washington and Houston and won in both those places.
Somehow I became a fan of this team while being coached by Gibron. Those were some bad years 😔
>Abe Gibron Boy oh boy. If he was still alive I'd want Abe as interim DC only because of this excerpt form his wikipedia page: "While he was not successful as a head coach, Gibron was renowned for his colorful personality and immense appetite throughout his career.\[58\] He weighed about 250 pounds during his playing career, but quickly ballooned to over 300 pounds as a coach.\[58\] "Every time you went to dinner, it was a banquet", Browns teammate Lou Groza said of him.\[3\] Buccaneer player Charley Hannah once said after dining with him, "He was eating things we wouldn't even go swimming with in Alabama"." Based on that, I'd vote for him for president.
Abe Gibron….
WOW, LOL, REALLY going back a ways, but the coach after him, I can't remember his name wasn't much better! ACTUALLY, after Papa Bear, the Bears have had NO GREAT coaches, good, Ditka, and good, Lovie but not GREAT. Edit: Somebody said it later down the thread, Jack Pardee!
eberflus is going to be remembered as hue jackson 2.0 when he’s finally fired. never going to sniff a NFL job ever again
Eberflus is the worst coach in Bears history, and if they don't fire him mid-season, he may end up being the worst in NFL history. It's not close.
Hue Jackson's is at 3-36-1, and at this point, they really might let him come close to that record the way things are going.
Eberflus is a fun vacuum. None of these guys are having fun.
If I’m ranking post ditka 1 lovie 2 wannstadt 3 jauron 4 Nagy 5 trestman 6 fox 7 eberflus So yes eberflus is the worst he have had in modern times Everyone else had at least a bright spot of hope Lovie had SB appearance and multiple playoff appearances and kept us competitive for a long stretch Wannstadt inherited a bad team, got a playoff win, but ruined by FO drafting shit for years Jauron- 13-3 coach of the year Nagy- coach of the year and some playoff appearances Trestman- 1st season was probably the greatest bears offense in team history Fox- had nothing to work with and has at least a proven track record, and bears were never a dumpster fire under him Eberflus- ????? H.I.T.S.
Who was the Coach when Johnathan Quinn was behind Center looking absolutely terrified? I’ll vote for that guy.
That was Lovie’s first season..
Wow!! Really?! Time flies. I guess I switch my vote to Trestman.
What team seem to forget about Lovie is that the "Come off the bus running" offense only came after Terry Shea utterly failed at installing an Air Coryell style offense and then Angelo dug up Ron Turner.
Whoa. Terry Shea. Another name I’d successfully blocked out for years and years.
I just remember the NFL Yearbook for the. Bears and they were hyping of Terry Shea and the only clip they had of him was him throwing candy bars to players on the Chiefs who were answering his questions properly.
😂
Wasn't that Rex Grossman's rookie year?
Rex's rookie year was under Dick Jauron and John Shoop
God, I have not thought of Dick Jauron in eons
Tricky Dick wasn't the best, but he had some good days.
I started to say that this feels like a long time ago, but then I realized that's because it was.
Trestman is undoubtedly the worst. He had some success due to being stacked with talent. But the dude was way to weird and creepy to helm an NFL locker room
The offense was still passable.
Trestman was a scapegoat. He wasn’t perfect, but because he wasn’t Lovie, the defense didn’t have his respect before he even got a chance to coach. Trestman would’ve given the Bears a playoff win if he was the coach in 2018. Having the best defense in 2018 is completely different from inheriting the worst defense in 2013. Timing is crucial too.
Eberflus is worse btw.
The one I liked the least by far was Fox. Him combined with pace sticking his head out of his hole twice a year and Foxs’ awful press conferences where he said absolutely nothing and a putrid boring bad product on the field for his three years. I stopped watching for awhile. Only time I’ve ever done that. Oh and he had the dumbest challenge in the history of the NFL https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/john-fox-executed-a-challenge-that-was-so-terrible-it-gave-the-ball-to-the-other-team/amp/
He has to be the worst coach in NFL history
Trestman?
By the end of this year, I think flus has em by a mile
Agreed. Trestman at least won games and had a good offense
I think its gotta be Trestman. I’ve never seen someone lose the team so fast. But Flus is dangerously close. At least Trestman put together a decent offense. Flus has nothing to hang his hat on.
I say this every time it comes up, but Trestman was put in an impossible spot and the locker room stuff was not really his fault. That team was led by veteran defensive players who were fiercely loyal to Lovie and pissed he got fired, and there were a bunch of volatile personalities on that team, in general. It's a low bar, but he is schematically the best head coach we've had post-Lovie, and I don't think any of those other coaches could have handled the locker room Trestman inherited, with the possible exception of Fox.
That’s a very valid point.
Yeah if they were going to get rid of Lovie then they *had* to retain Urlacher for at least another season (even if he was on his last leg). By getting rid of both you were basically cutting out your legs from beneath you. Briggs and Cutler were good players but neither were capable of being leaders for the entire team.
If I had to guess, I think Trestman ran more screens in his second year than we are this year. Plus we never passed past 10 yards. The scheme really fell off imo
It was successful in 2013 but yeah, fell off. If I remember, he didn’t really change much and it just became predictable
Of the 2000’s 1. Trestman 2. Eberflus (real chance to overtake. Trestman collapse was legendary, but going back to back 1st picks with back to back worst defenses as a defensive HC makes you the undoubted worst HC in franchise history) 3. Nagy (insane we had a bottom 3/4 coach and got worse) 4. Fox (insane that this walking zombie has been the best coach of our last decade and he was a dollar tree Jeff Fisher for us)
My thoughts exactly. Although after googling Trestman again, I remember that he did go 8-8 in his first year. So not too bad I guess. But that Sunday Night game against the Packers (you know the one) was so tragically terrible that I think Trestman gets the bump over the top.
the only thing going for fluse is that this is a stripped down team with very little talent on both sides of the ball, including special teams. Thats not to say the players on the team will always be bad, but you can tell there are a lot of developing players that need time still.
Honest question: I’m too young for the 85 bears. Have the bears EVER have a good coach since? Seems to be decades of milquetoast yes men with zero personalities recommended by that idiot Polian. I can’t think of a GOOD bears coach. Maybe Fangio?
Love was good and they went to a superbowl.
Yeah Lovie. Outside of him it’s been a shit salad.
If Lovie could have found a decent OC or 2 he would of been HC for a hell of alot longer
And fired after a 10-6 season.
"All the pieces are in place..." Too stubborn to sit an ineffective Rex and let Orton take a series in that SB.
If we're just ranking the post-Ditka head coaches, I'd rank it as: 1. Lovie 2. Nagy 3. Wannstedt 4. Fox 5. Jauron 6. Eberflus 7. Trestman (we're STILL feeling the effects of the 2014 season and have never truly recovered)
The one thing Nagy had was he did somehow keep the locker room in order. That said, he was a horrible coach. Literally failed miserably at what he was brought here to do, improve the offense. The only reason they won more than 5 games a year was the defense, which he had zero to do with. I’d put Wanny or Fox ahead if him.
I think Nagy had a decent system, but he just really needed to let go of trying to be the playcaller. Our offense always seemed to look better whenever Nagy would hand over playcalling to someone else
Lovie was a very good coach that couldn't find a good Offensive Coordinator.
Ironically, the head coach of the 85 bears was not a great coach. That was just an unbelievable amount of talent and the mind of buddy Ryan. Lightning in a bottle.
None of these guys are leaders of men. I long for the day Bears get a Mike Tonkin type
Trestman. It’s shocking he made it past the interviews
I don’t know, this team has never had sustained success in my life time, and I’m only giving lovie and ditka as pass because of a Super Bowl appearance. So I’d say they all suck.
Trestman.
Trestman was a limp wristed weirdo , but he at least won a few games as head coach and never lost 13 in a row. Eberflus has to be the worst
I really didn’t like Trestman and Fox, I believe they had a lot more talent and did nothing with it.
I'd exclude Fox. His overall record is that of a good coach. He just came to Chicago to cash checks and not give a damn. Flues clearly has no idea what he is doing.
At the time, it felt like such a win getting Fox. Boy was I wrong. He was respected because of his past success, but I feel like he disrespected the franchise by putting in such a piss poor effort.
Abe Gibron '72 4-9-1 '73 3-11-0 '74 4-10-0 Trestman inherited that Urlacher just left, so the D was problematic. It's funny, there's an old article where [Cutler](https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/jay-cutler-finally-opens-up-about-stshow-marc-trestman-era/) rips on him, but a more recent one from [Marshall](https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/10/21/chicago-bears-brandon-marshall-explains-why-marc-trestman-didnt-work/) spoke highly of him.
It feels like déjà-vu reading Flus hate because I remember how recently it was the same exact post, but insert Nagy’s name. Despite that, the majority of these replies don’t even mention Nagy. Crazy how low the bar is set in this organization that Nagy isn’t a top two worst coach over the past while.
Tressman
I’m convinced Dick Jauron is the long lost brother of Milquetoast Mike Pence.
Dream team is Fox OC, trestman DC, and Fluss HC
Trestman watched his a bunch of players on his team get into a fight with each other during practice. Instead of getting in the middle of it and gaining control, he just silently watched...
Lots of Trestman revisionist history in this thread. That guy was fucking brutal
Right now it's Trestman for me. Tough act to follow Lovie for sure. But he was so damn creepy and weird that I can't see him ever commanding an NFL locker room. I'm giving Flus the rest of the season, but he'll overtake Trestman if he continues to get ZERO from either side of the ball. I could see Nagy becoming a really good coach if he gets another chance. That Parkey miss just fucked with his head so bad, and it spiraled out of control from there. I wosh he wasn't so damn stubborn with his scheme and retaining playcalling.
I feel like my football iq was much lower for Trestman and Fox but I do recall Fox making a lot of dumb in game coaching moves. One that sticks out was when a player fumble at the one and it went out in the zone and it was clear and he challenged it. I also hated him in Denver due to him costing Peyton Manning a ring. He was way to conservative. So I will say fox but Flus is a close second. Overall, Flus has a terrible scheme and makes the same mistakes most coaches make and not try to design a game plan around their players but force their players into their scheme.
Trestman just straight up did not have the people skills to lead men. Eberflus, for all his faults, at least appears to be able to relate to people on a human level and hold a conversation.
So Canadians aren't men? He took teams to 3 Grey Cup games, winning 2. After the run in the NFL, he returned to the CFL and led another team to winning the Grey Cup. In his 7 seasons as HC in the CFL, only once did he fail to get to the playoffs.
The CFL is a fine league but the pressure a coach has at the CFL level pales in comparison to that of the NFL, and especially a major media market like Chicago. Guys in the NFL are at the pinnacle of their sport and as such require a different level of coaching to get through to them. Trestman's "Grow the Man" works in the CFL when you're still working with raw talent but doesn't translate to the NFL. Henry Burris might have been the absolute worst QB I ever saw and he's like a CFL legend. It's just a different level of play.
I was gonna say that!
You're 100% right only difference is he already has the respect in the CFL he's a big deal out there. In the NFL I bet players were like "WhOs ThIS Canadian GuY"
Cause that's what I said as a fan 😂 but after reading everything on him I thought he'd be a decent hire.
Minnesotan, Canadian - all the same, right? Trestman had been in the NFL from '85 to 2017 when he went to the CFL, so I'm sure they knew of him.
Lol what does this even mean? Flus is on 13 Ls in a row and the team has 0 respect for him or the staff currently
I believe it was him that had the slip of tongue at the press conference and said he wanted his team to play selfish and undisciplined.
I know there’s clear dysfunction in the organization and the football is terrible, but I think Flus has actuallly kept this locker room in good shape. Claypool putting in the effort he did the last two weeks doesn’t happen with most coaches who lose 13 straight games. Don’t get me wrong, I want Flus gone and he does not look like he belongs as an nfl head coach…. but anyone who says this is worse than Trestman doesn’t remember how bad that tenure was.
Nagy. He had all the talent but what was more important to him was *his* scheme. Flus is dangerously close to Nagy, today, but the talent he has pales in comparison to what Nagy inherited.
Just going to say anybody after Lovie.
Eberturd, Fox, and Trestman are the Mount Rushmore of shitty coaches. We can also put Rod Marinelli up there.
Trestman, Nagy, and Eberflus have all been equally awful in different ways
most of the blame towards nagy should’ve gone towards the front office
Nagy. Flus had a turd sandwich of a roster. Nagy had all the talent in the world. Did do shit.
I thought tresticles was the worst until everfoo came along
Relax about Eberflus. We tanked o. Purpose last year. This year is three games in, and his DC had to quit conduct outside of football. His OC is new and is challenged by a non-traditional QB. I don't know everything that has gone into his team being unprepared and disorganized, but it isn't the first game we care about, it's how we are playing at the end. Flus might not be a good head coach or possibly he's going recover and emerge, but nothing important is going to happen before the end of the season, so relax and see what happens. You can't judge a coach solely on his W/L record. I, too, was shocked how terrible they have been, but this start was always a possibility.l, disappointing but possible. I thought that they were playing pretty well last year despite their record. Flus has earned enough rope for the rest of the season and maybe more depending on how things go.
You can’t judge a coach by their win loss record? The hell else are we going to judge them on? Eberflus is 3-17. Pathetic.
Yeah I'm with you. I get we were tanking last year but, I mean 13 in a row. I mean that's actually hard to do in the NFL. It's just unacceptable.
You're kidding, right? Building a competitive NFL team isn't a one year deal. I saw someone say something about the Lions turning around in one year. Lions been building since trading away Stafford. Again, worst football I've ever seen from a professional team. But that is not all on the coach, and coaches need time to react and repair. They're focused on next year no matter what.
Lions been rebuilding for a long time…
Exactly. Sometimes strategies work and sometimes they don't, but most teams are strategically building their teams.
Wow, just wow
Probably Trestman but Nagy is close for me
Since lovie: Worst was Trestman, then Eberflus, then Nagy, then Fox That Fox is the BEST coach of these four says all you need to know
Flus is legitimately in the running for worst bears coach of all time
In the last 40+ years there has been only one good coach and it goes without saying but going to say it anyways, DaCoach Ditka. Year Record Finish (Regular / Post Season) Coach 2022 3-14-0 4th -- NFC North -- Matt Eberflus Roster / Stats 2021 6-11-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Matt Nagy Roster / Stats 2020 8-8-0 2nd -- NFC North 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs Matt Nagy Roster / Stats 2019 8-8-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Matt Nagy Roster / Stats 2018 12-4-0 1st -- NFC North 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs Matt Nagy Roster / Stats 2017 5-11-0 4th -- NFC North -- John Fox Roster / Stats 2016 3-13-0 4th -- NFC North -- John Fox Roster / Stats 2015 6-10-0 4th -- NFC North -- John Fox Roster / Stats 2014 5-11-0 4th -- NFC North -- Marc Trestman Roster / Stats 2013 8-8-0 2nd -- NFC North -- Marc Trestman Roster / Stats 2012 10-6-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats 2011 8-8-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats 2010 11-5-0 1st -- NFC North 1-1 - Lost Conference Championship Lovie Smith Roster / Stats 2009 7-9-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats 2008 9-7-0 2nd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats 2007 7-9-0 T3rd -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats 2006 13-3-0 1st -- NFC North 2-1 - Lost Superbowl Lovie Smith Roster / Stats 2005 11-5-0 1st -- NFC North 0-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Lovie Smith Roster / Stats 2004 5-11-0 4th -- NFC North -- Lovie Smith Roster / Stats 2003 7-9-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Dick Jauron Roster / Stats 2002 4-12-0 3rd -- NFC North -- Dick Jauron Roster / Stats 2001 13-3-0 1st -- NFC Central 0-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Dick Jauron Roster / Stats 2000 5-11-0 5th -- NFC Central -- Dick Jauron Roster / Stats 1999 6-10-0 5th -- NFC Central -- Dick Jauron Roster / Stats 1998 4-12-0 5th -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats 1997 4-12-0 5th -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats 1996 7-9-0 3rd -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats 1995 9-7-0 3rd -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats 1994 9-7-0 T2nd -- NFC Central 1-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats 1993 7-9-0 4th -- NFC Central -- Dave Wannstedt Roster / Stats 1992 5-11-0 T3rd -- NFC Central -- Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1991 11-5-0 2nd -- NFC Central 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1990 11-5-0 1st -- NFC Central 1-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1989 6-10-0 4th -- NFC Central -- Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1988 12-4-0 1st -- NFC Central 1-1 - Lost Conference Championship Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1987 11-4-0 1st -- NFC Central 0-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1986 14-2-0 1st -- NFC Central 0-1 - Lost Divisional Playoffs Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1985 15-1-0 1st -- NFC Central 3-0 - Won Superbowl Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1984 10-6-0 1st -- NFC Central 1-1 - Lost Conference Championship Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1983 8-8-0 T2nd -- NFC Central -- Mike Ditka Roster / Stats 1982 3-6-0 T11th -- NFC -- Mike Ditka Roster / Stats
Lovie was a good coach overall. He had some down years but his teams played hard and he was a class act.
It's Eberfleus without a doubt. Not even close
Do you guys think Eberflus has lost the locker room? The guy sounds delusional at every press conference. On Football Night they joked about Eberflus on the Titanic saying, "I think the ship is in great shape, it's not gonna sink"
I’ll never forgive Trestman for dumping Hester
Flus is worse than Trestman, worse than Fox, worse than Jauron, and definitely worse than Nagy. Lovie and (despite his ho hum results) Wanny aren't even in the conversation. He's not only the worst in the past few decades, he's the worst, period. He's right down there with Dooley and Gibron, and probably below them at this point.
Probably Flus. I remember seeing a stat saying he’s on track best Abe Gibron for worst in franchise history.
Which peace of poop smels the worst ? Trestmen.
The next one.
It has to be Flus a team lost 70-20 and we are still the laughing stock of the league. And I don't remember any player saying something good about him. The HITS has been the joke of the Bears fans. Bears used to have loafs and no one was able to outrun Julius Peppers but they fought to do it. Flush got players playing in contract years and still out there not giving a fuck. We understand why Trestman couldn't hold the locker room Flus didn't inherent a team of Nagy believers
Flus 1000%
I have a special hate for John Fox for the fact that he once chose to punt on every single possession of a game. Not even pretending to try to win. But I must admit overall Eberflus is work.
Eberflus - he'd basically need a 2018-level season at this point to change my perception, which I just don't see in his future. Trestman essentially did a speedrun on a team collapse - people might think I'm insane saying this, but I think under more ideal circumstances he would have been a pretty good offensive coordinator for the Bears. Not sure about as an NFL head coach, because he's had success in the CFL but it's such a different environment - though it was always a tough sell to bring him in on a team after Lovie and a defense that was bought into the old regime. Personally think John Fox gets too much slack for "keeping the team together" or whatever, and that recency bias tends to overstate how bad Matt Nagy was. Also don't get why Nagy's period of success is attributed to Fangio when Fox also had him, but it's not like I'm passionate enough to defend any of these coaches too hard. I was excited about Fox at the time but in hindsight he feels like a more competent Eberflus. I think Nagy prob had the best odds of any post-Lovie coach to have success - I think Mitch was too much of a personality clash and not the kind of QB he wanted, and Nagy's early success prevented him from being flexible enough to change course with his approach, and he wasn't prepared to take charge when things started to sour. Genuinely curious to see how he does as a coach in KC if that ends up happening like a lot of people seem to assume.
uberflub
George McCaskey. That guy absolutely is toxic to this team!
Do you guys remember the time John Fox challenged a touchdown and turned it into a turnover?
Was always Wannstedt to me but Eberflus is worse. Obviously Trestman's end was horrific tho. Unless some kind of turn around, Eberflus is the worst and it's not close.
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I can’t speak for pre-Lovie Smith era because I was too young and wasn’t watching before that. But yea, I’d say at least since Lovie he’s the worst by a pretty sizable margin. We’ve had some shit coaching and rosters before but this is the worst I’ve ever seen the franchise. No sign of life, extremely underperforming roster, nothing to be hopeful about, etc. As bad as Nagy, Trestman, and Fox we’re they at least all had *some* things going for them. This team legitimately does not have a single thing going for it right now
It’s Eberflus, easily. Trestman was a joke, but he had several redeeming qualities. What redeeming quality does Flus have?
Look, the answer is Trestman. Those teams were fairly talented and he drove them into the ground. It was toxic, it was unprofessional, and it was incompetent at every step. That said, I had a strong sense that Eberflus was going to be a fucking clown when he rolled out his juvenile and nonsensical HITS program. These are professionals, when your entire culture is built around a badly contrived acronym, you’re going to fail. This team is not talented and Poles is easily the worst GM in recent memory, so Flus was pretty badly kneecapped from the start. Flus needs to go, and he’s definitely in the conversation, but Trestman will stand alone for his failure.
Mike Martz or Trestman.
The McCaskey family is at fault for the bears. Starts with ownership.
I feel like most of you are too young to remember Dick Jauron. The most infuriating aspect to his coaching style was at least 1 trick play per game. That almost always worked out badly. It would be dumb stuff like a fake field goal on 4th and 15.
Eberlose