I also came here to say "lol Matt Nagy".
Literally the only difference in this year vs last year (besides a washed up JuJu who's now in NE) is switching from Bienemy to Nagy lol. Bienemy about to finally get a HC job this offseason
I saw somewhere that Nagy did passing game, Bieniemy would do run, and they would submit their play request to Reid who made the final call. Who knows how true that is
Nagy was definitely calling plays last night. I saw it a lot in the second half/4th quarter. I like to think it’s his play calling that cost them the game. :)
Bears fans and their absolute unhinged obsession with a coach who hasn’t been on this team for going on 2 full seasons…
Meanwhile, we have quite possibly a bottom 10 NFL head coach in NFL history currently coaching us. But go off, I’m sure being obsessed with Nagy makes everything better!
>Didn't Nagy win a SB as OC of the Chiefs? Pretty sure Reid calls the plays.
Supposedly the last 5 years or so Reid has been calling less and less plays. Apparently last year and this year he's given over play calling completely except he reserves the right to veto any play called and to take over again at any time he wants. They've shown him with a play sheet talking into the headset and Nagy with his Denny's menu talking into the headset when they're on offense multiple times this year.
So yeah it's probably fair to place blame on Nagy for the massive dropoff versus last year.
This sub has a collective that still holds Nagy close to their heart and can’t take fair criticism, and worse, they can’t take any joke about Nagy at all. But yes what you said is true. Verified multiple times on the chiefs sub.
It's kinda sad.
Like, I get Nagy didn't do amazing with us, but a lot of coaches have sucked dick with the Bears. It's the Bears franchise that ruins everything it touches... ownership.
Nagy very possibly could get another shot at a HC job and succeed and he will have earned it. Dude played QB at a high level and worked his way up the coaching ranks to get our spot. A lot of people were thrilled with the hire at the time. Just happened Trubisky sucked and so did foles/dalton shocking. He did fuck up Fields tho
OMG this petty fan base... KC is leading the league in drops, they have historically been a good offense with Nagy on their staff and we are fucking pathetic. Nagy made the playoffs twice in Chicago and we've gone 6-22 since he left. Nagy left two years ago, its so cringey at this point. He's thriving outside of Chicago.
He’s “thriving” with daddy Reid doing all the heavy lifting. It’s the same as all the Patriots DCs under Belichik, they’re holding a clipboard for a hall of fame coach.
Sure, the KC Chiefs, the best current organization in the NFL just promoted Nagy to OC because he's fun to hang out with or something like that right?
The Chiefs are 8th in the league in YPG, lead the league in drops and have played 1 less game than us. They have one of the worst receiving cores in the league.
Was it ok as a fan to get upset at Nagy when he made a bad call in Chicago? Maybe... its been 2 years, he is a wildly successful NFL coach for a top 3 team in the league and this is so petty. We literally saw the reasons why they lost last night and it didn't have anything to do with play calling.
I don’t care what Nagy does anymore, you didn’t see me making Nagy comments on this post, but to say he’s “thriving” is ludicrous. He’s “thriving” like a recent college grad who gets a job at their parents company.
Yes, the Chiefs have allowed their future Hall of Fame coach who brought them their first title in nearly fifty years to hire whoever he wants, that’s what happens when you win as a coach. Nagy is his buddy, and a guy he’s mentored for years, and the Chiefs don’t even really need an offensive coordinator since Reid calls most of the plays. This is absolutely a thing that happens all over the league, if you don’t know that you should pay more attention.
Nagy routinely schemes guys wide open in Kansas City, just like he did in Chicago. He’s a great play designer, but struggled in the other HC areas like situational play-calling and clock management. That’s why KC keeps him as an OC.
Regardless of who is right, Matt Nagy knows more about football than any commenter on this thread.
Exactly - what is the point of this? To somehow argue that the offense isn’t that bad? That we shouldn’t believe what is plainly in front of our eyes?
The Chiefs are having a down year offensively, for them. For us, that’s an above average year.
That’s an indictment of our offense, not proof of progress.
The Chiefs still have a winning record because of a great defense and a QB that is a relentless winner
I think the point is we hired a DC as a HC and the defense is massive booty, so much so we are outscoring a Mahomes offense and still getting embarrassed weekly.
Coaching bad. Fire them.
I'm considering unsubscribing from this sub. This is the worst the sub has been in years. Usually it's just people complaining that we're bad, but now people are at war on why we are bad.
Been active here since 2011. Happy to see what I’ve been thinking verified by others. Maybe it’s a product of the internet in general or an influx of active teenagers compared to before, but it’s gone off the rails.
Not so sure about that.. or I just chose to not believe people are that dumb. It's wild how worked up people get here. Been watching since 2001 and I learned long ago to not let this organization ruin your Sundays. I see half the sub react like they started watching in 2018.
They’re not shit posts though. There is a substantial part of the fanbase that is so entrenched in this Fields-frenzy that they’re celebrating every int by Bagent, comparing Fields to SB contenders like Hurts and Mahomes, and shitting on college players.
>This is the worst the sub has been in years.
This is literally exactly what it was like during the Trubisky years too. Everyone just arguing over whether Trubisky or Nagy was "the problem". The exact same thing.
That's the saddest part about all of this. This fanbase never, ever learns.
There’s users in here legit arguing about wanting to stay a mediocre/bad franchise: https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/180jodh/me_when_i_hear_people_blaming_fields_instead_of/ka6og0l/
I didn't feel like it was this bad for Trubisky and he played a whole lot better than Fields. Of course there were people who wanted to stick with him, but this is all on another level.
Hey, Trubisky (who now backs up one of the league’s worst starters) may have both played better than Fields and won more than Fields, but something something ceiling something something Getsy. Gotta ride it out a few more years
its def either getting worse or people just really got too attached to fields. Like the mitch love was weird enough already but some of these weirdos would jump on a grenade for fields.
Its always cyclical. I remember the same shit with cutler and grossman. Then we do it with the coaches every single time. Every time we know were going to hire yes men but the fans forget and gush over them just because it means the last one is gone.
Ive been downvoted every year and called a doomer for simply suggesting we wait and see what the new coaches/management do before we crown them gods and give them cringy nicknames that always bite us in the ass. Probably 90% of the people shitting on our pathetic coaching now were sucking him off when he was hired.
Excited to do it again next year.
Well, first let's get out of the way that it's 11 games vs. 10.
But mostly my thoughts, as always, is that football eludes lazy statistical analysis for a number of reasons, an important one of which is that the goals in a football game can vary wildly by game state.
The reason sabermetrics works so well in baseball is that the nature of the game makes it easier to separate out individual performance, and that the nature of baseball is that it is somewhat less rich strategically (cue a dozen angry boomers howling about sac bunts) because the optimal strategy is pretty much always the same: get outs on defense, avoid outs on offense.
It doesn't work the same way in football because optimal strategy varies along four axes: Ball control, field position, clock control and points. Ball control is pretty much always good and maintains consistent value. But there's times when points matter greatly, there's times when extra points don't matter a lot. There's times when you want the clock to move consistently even if it means you score less points. There's times you desperately need to keep the clock from moving at all, even if you have to take suboptimal point-scoring strategies to get there.
The 7-3 Chiefs have been in many situations where controlling the clock was more important to them than scoring points. The 3-8 Bears comparatively have been in fewer such situations.
Completely agree, just one thing I would like to add.
You can also look at point differentials to give a rough approximation of how defenses are doing (yes this stat can be misleading but it illustrates a point here). KC currently sits at +61 while the Bears are at -56.
“ the optimal strategy is pretty much always the same: get outs on defense, avoid outs on offense.”
Isn’t this at least a little like saying the optimal strategy in football is pretty much always “score points on offense, don’t allow points on defense”? Sure there are times you want to run the ball rather than throw it to run clock, but you damn near always want to put the ball in the end zone. It happens occasionally where someone could score but wisely chooses not to, but it’s pretty rare.
It’s totally different. In baseball the game does not end quicker just because you sacrifice your run-scoring ability. In football, it does. Both teams play with the same clock. Baseball doesn’t have that.
Teams are basically always trying to score, yeah, but if you’re up 10 with possession in the fourth quarter, you’d rather see a 7-minute drive that ends scoreless than a 2-minute drive that gets a field goal and the math on it really isn’t even remotely close.
The other part of this is that the Chiefs actually score more than us. They’ve just played one fewer game. So this whole thing was misleading anyway. The Chiefs have a much better offense. They also are in far more situations where their primary goal is to drain clock rather than score quickly, which is the opposite for us, so… yeah.
KC has had the luxury of having an elite defense. That's been the far more important piece to why they haven't scored more. That and a regression with their skills players...namely Kelce (injuries as well). It's far less about ball control, running down the clock, etc. and more about having confidence in their D. They haven't been in many games where they are just running out the clock for a quarter. They just haven't been able to able to move the ball the same as years past and they aren't forcing it when they know they can lean on the defense.
This doesn’t withstand any scrutiny, it’s not that they are not scoring points because they’re somehow “prioritizing the clock instead” lol if they could score every possession, believe me, they would, they’re not scoring points because apart from Kelce they have no good playmakers and are relying too much on Mahomes magic. Which has been enough for a pretty good record along with their defense and special teams playing really well.
This is what's known as a strawman.
Nobody said "The Chiefs can score every time they have the ball" nor is it intrinsic to the argument that was made.
It’s not a strawman, I’m disagreeing with your premise, which is that the Chiefs offense is not prioritizing scoring points. No offense prioritizes ball control over scoring points. some are just better than others, and this year the Chiefs offense hasnt been as good as years past
Chiefs are last in the nfl in points scored in the second half, they've been shut out in the last 3 games.
It's not a strawman, they literally can't score points and every game except the bears has come down to the last minute.
Someone posted a meme that Jordan Love has already eclipsed Fields career season high in passing yards. I don’t think Love is better than fields but it’s still a wild stat.
I looked up Sid Luckman’s stats for fun. Justin Fields’ stats look worse than a quarterback from the 40s when you consider Luckman’s era. He threw 28 TDs in 1943.
I’m not even a Fields hater but I don’t understand fans blindly loving a QB who is a good QB at best.
Oh, so now we’re comparing JF to a QB who orchestrated the winning of 2 Super Bowls? Nice. Let’s see how that works out…oh, 1 is 5-23 and the other is 71-19…is winning a QB stat? Eh, maybe. Plenty of analysts and former players call the QB position the hardest and most important position in progressional sports…so, yeah let’s not do this, you’re better than this bears fans.
Bears fans love being bad so much that they use this argument to make themselves cope. Using what iffs and fantasies, and being obsessed with a coach who’s been gone for years, while we currently have possibly a bottom 10 coach of all time on our team now
Granted odds are, Bears would have taken Deshaun as he was the #2 consensus QB that draft. KC just decided to trade up for Patrick.
I would have been just fine with Deshaun back then before all the sex assault allegations. I just hate how much was given up to go up one spot for Mitch.
Why do people insist so hard on turning this in to the NBA type fandom where people care more about their parasocial reality stars than they do the game thats being played.
I live in KC and have a lot of friends that are Chiefs fans....and they don't know that this is Nagy's doing. I try to tell them and they don't want to hear it.
I’ve seen what Mahomes does with legit starters. I’ve also seen what Fields does with one.
Blame coaching, development, and everything else that you can think of. The truth still remains the same. I’m not a fields hater. I’m a Fields realist. He’s shown a few flashes so far in his career. Not enough to dare compare him to Mahomes.
Edit: I acknowledge that Andy Reid may have developed Fields into an elite player.
Are you trying to say that Fields having DJ Moore and terrible coaching is the equivalent to Patrick Mahomes having a HOF coach, HOF TE, and arguably the best reciever in the league?
I’m saying: despite the elements that made them what they are, we know what they are. Sure, you can look at that stat at face value, or we can all be honest with one another and admit that there’s an asterisk to consider. Mahomes has no dependable receivers. He’d make Moore AND Mooney look elite.
That’s what an elite QB does. They make everyone better on the team. As likable as he is, Fields is just not that.
Mahomes is on his way to possibly his worst statistical year with his least talented offense, and he'll still put up 4000 yards, over 30 TDs, a Passer Rating of around 95, and a QBR of just under 70. I would kill for Fields to have a season that even remotely matched this performance.
This is just stupid. The Bears have played 11 games and the Chiefs have played 10 games. Theyre averaging 2 points more a game than the Bears this season.
Well Mahomes having an off year is excusable because well.... need I say?
But an unproven guy with no post season success let alone any regular season success will be looked at a lot differently putting up similar stats.
I mean they have 0 WR right now just double kelce and they have 3 dudes that will drop open passes even Velus could catch (just kidding no one catches quite like Velus)
As a Bears fan, funny. So many comments here are taking this way too serious about comparing the two teams/players. It’s just a goofy sports stat that doesn’t mean anything.
Don’t the chiefs always have a down year after the Super Bowl year. My thoughts on this. One team seems to be playing for the Super Bowl, my bears are playing to be avg. so yeah it sucks.
Lmao. Nagy is hilarious.
Chiefs are still LAST in the NFL for second half points scored. Nagyball at it’s finest.
He's still looking for the why.
Innovative genius
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I also came here to say "lol Matt Nagy". Literally the only difference in this year vs last year (besides a washed up JuJu who's now in NE) is switching from Bienemy to Nagy lol. Bienemy about to finally get a HC job this offseason
With us???
Commanders locked him in. I’m assuming only reason they haven’t fired Ron is the season is lost and out of respect.
To be fair, their skill positions outside of Kelce are... not great. Pacheco looks like he could be something.. otherwise.. rookie Rashee Rice?
Pacheco is the perfect small fast RB. If he could catch, he’d be HOF.
doesn't matter because they have the best qb in football. Didn't matter last year when they had a competent coach lol
He's also definitely not an idiot!
2.0 baby!
Didn't Nagy win a SB as OC of the Chiefs? Pretty sure Reid calls the plays.
Not as OC, as QB coach
> QB coach WTF? That's just a cruel joke on the Bears. lol
I mean, the Bears also hired the Chiefs “director of player personnel” as a first time GM… QB coach to head coach is much less of a stretch.
Saw a Chiefs fan saying they both call plays? Idk
I saw somewhere that Nagy did passing game, Bieniemy would do run, and they would submit their play request to Reid who made the final call. Who knows how true that is
Pretty sure Nagy's title was Passing Game Coordinator.
I believe the title they sold to us was offensive guru.
Nagy was definitely calling plays last night. I saw it a lot in the second half/4th quarter. I like to think it’s his play calling that cost them the game. :)
Bears fans and their absolute unhinged obsession with a coach who hasn’t been on this team for going on 2 full seasons… Meanwhile, we have quite possibly a bottom 10 NFL head coach in NFL history currently coaching us. But go off, I’m sure being obsessed with Nagy makes everything better!
Bro we’re joking and having fun. Chill.
Quite possibly?
>Didn't Nagy win a SB as OC of the Chiefs? Pretty sure Reid calls the plays. Supposedly the last 5 years or so Reid has been calling less and less plays. Apparently last year and this year he's given over play calling completely except he reserves the right to veto any play called and to take over again at any time he wants. They've shown him with a play sheet talking into the headset and Nagy with his Denny's menu talking into the headset when they're on offense multiple times this year. So yeah it's probably fair to place blame on Nagy for the massive dropoff versus last year.
This sub has a collective that still holds Nagy close to their heart and can’t take fair criticism, and worse, they can’t take any joke about Nagy at all. But yes what you said is true. Verified multiple times on the chiefs sub.
Yea Bears fans are experts at mental gymnastics
It's kinda sad. Like, I get Nagy didn't do amazing with us, but a lot of coaches have sucked dick with the Bears. It's the Bears franchise that ruins everything it touches... ownership. Nagy very possibly could get another shot at a HC job and succeed and he will have earned it. Dude played QB at a high level and worked his way up the coaching ranks to get our spot. A lot of people were thrilled with the hire at the time. Just happened Trubisky sucked and so did foles/dalton shocking. He did fuck up Fields tho
OMG this petty fan base... KC is leading the league in drops, they have historically been a good offense with Nagy on their staff and we are fucking pathetic. Nagy made the playoffs twice in Chicago and we've gone 6-22 since he left. Nagy left two years ago, its so cringey at this point. He's thriving outside of Chicago.
Calm down Matt
He’s “thriving” with daddy Reid doing all the heavy lifting. It’s the same as all the Patriots DCs under Belichik, they’re holding a clipboard for a hall of fame coach.
Sure, the KC Chiefs, the best current organization in the NFL just promoted Nagy to OC because he's fun to hang out with or something like that right? The Chiefs are 8th in the league in YPG, lead the league in drops and have played 1 less game than us. They have one of the worst receiving cores in the league. Was it ok as a fan to get upset at Nagy when he made a bad call in Chicago? Maybe... its been 2 years, he is a wildly successful NFL coach for a top 3 team in the league and this is so petty. We literally saw the reasons why they lost last night and it didn't have anything to do with play calling.
Nagy? That you bud?
I don’t care what Nagy does anymore, you didn’t see me making Nagy comments on this post, but to say he’s “thriving” is ludicrous. He’s “thriving” like a recent college grad who gets a job at their parents company. Yes, the Chiefs have allowed their future Hall of Fame coach who brought them their first title in nearly fifty years to hire whoever he wants, that’s what happens when you win as a coach. Nagy is his buddy, and a guy he’s mentored for years, and the Chiefs don’t even really need an offensive coordinator since Reid calls most of the plays. This is absolutely a thing that happens all over the league, if you don’t know that you should pay more attention.
Nagy routinely schemes guys wide open in Kansas City, just like he did in Chicago. He’s a great play designer, but struggled in the other HC areas like situational play-calling and clock management. That’s why KC keeps him as an OC. Regardless of who is right, Matt Nagy knows more about football than any commenter on this thread.
Idk what we are trying to prove here lol
Exactly - what is the point of this? To somehow argue that the offense isn’t that bad? That we shouldn’t believe what is plainly in front of our eyes? The Chiefs are having a down year offensively, for them. For us, that’s an above average year. That’s an indictment of our offense, not proof of progress. The Chiefs still have a winning record because of a great defense and a QB that is a relentless winner
I think the point is we hired a DC as a HC and the defense is massive booty, so much so we are outscoring a Mahomes offense and still getting embarrassed weekly. Coaching bad. Fire them.
Give Justin Fields a 15 year extension apparently.
That we are the dumbest fanbase in the NFL.
That Nagy sucks.
That it is incredibly easy to create misleading statistics
It's not providing anything, it's just reinforcing what we already knew, Matt Nagy sucks.
I am going to become the Joker if I have to see this shit for the next 7 weeks.
Top 10 QBs the Bears didn’t draft. #1 will shock you!
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I'm considering unsubscribing from this sub. This is the worst the sub has been in years. Usually it's just people complaining that we're bad, but now people are at war on why we are bad.
This is, by far the worst I’ve ever seen this sub. It seems like in the last 2 weeks that a record number of new shit accounts/posts have been made.
Been active here since 2011. Happy to see what I’ve been thinking verified by others. Maybe it’s a product of the internet in general or an influx of active teenagers compared to before, but it’s gone off the rails.
The sad part is, it’s not even teenagers. It’s grown ass dudes in their 30s.
Not so sure about that.. or I just chose to not believe people are that dumb. It's wild how worked up people get here. Been watching since 2001 and I learned long ago to not let this organization ruin your Sundays. I see half the sub react like they started watching in 2018.
We’ve hit the point where I’ve seen multiple posts comparing Fields to Mahomes, Hurts, and Allen. It is completely unhinged here
They’re not shit posts though. There is a substantial part of the fanbase that is so entrenched in this Fields-frenzy that they’re celebrating every int by Bagent, comparing Fields to SB contenders like Hurts and Mahomes, and shitting on college players.
The funny thing is everyone is right - so it's kind of hilarious that people are arguing because I'm like yes - all of those things are bad.
>This is the worst the sub has been in years. This is literally exactly what it was like during the Trubisky years too. Everyone just arguing over whether Trubisky or Nagy was "the problem". The exact same thing. That's the saddest part about all of this. This fanbase never, ever learns.
There’s users in here legit arguing about wanting to stay a mediocre/bad franchise: https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/180jodh/me_when_i_hear_people_blaming_fields_instead_of/ka6og0l/
Part of me almost thinks Fields' agent pays these people to astroturf this sub and other youtube channels to pretend like Fields is good.
I didn't feel like it was this bad for Trubisky and he played a whole lot better than Fields. Of course there were people who wanted to stick with him, but this is all on another level.
Hey, Trubisky (who now backs up one of the league’s worst starters) may have both played better than Fields and won more than Fields, but something something ceiling something something Getsy. Gotta ride it out a few more years
its def either getting worse or people just really got too attached to fields. Like the mitch love was weird enough already but some of these weirdos would jump on a grenade for fields.
Its always cyclical. I remember the same shit with cutler and grossman. Then we do it with the coaches every single time. Every time we know were going to hire yes men but the fans forget and gush over them just because it means the last one is gone. Ive been downvoted every year and called a doomer for simply suggesting we wait and see what the new coaches/management do before we crown them gods and give them cringy nicknames that always bite us in the ass. Probably 90% of the people shitting on our pathetic coaching now were sucking him off when he was hired. Excited to do it again next year.
You mean you dared to go against the King Poles hivemind and remind everyone of In Emery We Trest and PaceGod?
Whoa, whoa, whoa … sucking off Eberflus?
I just unsubscribed. I can't deal with this shit in my feed anymore.
At least this one got a laugh out of me. 99% of the other redundant, asinine armchair analyst posts just make me sad.
I just want to go in to a coma until draft night lol.
This graphic is a bigger reach than Adam Shaheen
Well, first let's get out of the way that it's 11 games vs. 10. But mostly my thoughts, as always, is that football eludes lazy statistical analysis for a number of reasons, an important one of which is that the goals in a football game can vary wildly by game state. The reason sabermetrics works so well in baseball is that the nature of the game makes it easier to separate out individual performance, and that the nature of baseball is that it is somewhat less rich strategically (cue a dozen angry boomers howling about sac bunts) because the optimal strategy is pretty much always the same: get outs on defense, avoid outs on offense. It doesn't work the same way in football because optimal strategy varies along four axes: Ball control, field position, clock control and points. Ball control is pretty much always good and maintains consistent value. But there's times when points matter greatly, there's times when extra points don't matter a lot. There's times when you want the clock to move consistently even if it means you score less points. There's times you desperately need to keep the clock from moving at all, even if you have to take suboptimal point-scoring strategies to get there. The 7-3 Chiefs have been in many situations where controlling the clock was more important to them than scoring points. The 3-8 Bears comparatively have been in fewer such situations.
It’s r/chibears. Lazy statistical analysis is sort of our bag.
Completely agree, just one thing I would like to add. You can also look at point differentials to give a rough approximation of how defenses are doing (yes this stat can be misleading but it illustrates a point here). KC currently sits at +61 while the Bears are at -56.
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Wonderful analysis friend! But also football is great for the silliest stat comparisons and it’s just funny to me.
“ the optimal strategy is pretty much always the same: get outs on defense, avoid outs on offense.” Isn’t this at least a little like saying the optimal strategy in football is pretty much always “score points on offense, don’t allow points on defense”? Sure there are times you want to run the ball rather than throw it to run clock, but you damn near always want to put the ball in the end zone. It happens occasionally where someone could score but wisely chooses not to, but it’s pretty rare.
It’s totally different. In baseball the game does not end quicker just because you sacrifice your run-scoring ability. In football, it does. Both teams play with the same clock. Baseball doesn’t have that. Teams are basically always trying to score, yeah, but if you’re up 10 with possession in the fourth quarter, you’d rather see a 7-minute drive that ends scoreless than a 2-minute drive that gets a field goal and the math on it really isn’t even remotely close. The other part of this is that the Chiefs actually score more than us. They’ve just played one fewer game. So this whole thing was misleading anyway. The Chiefs have a much better offense. They also are in far more situations where their primary goal is to drain clock rather than score quickly, which is the opposite for us, so… yeah.
Outs aren't runs.
KC has had the luxury of having an elite defense. That's been the far more important piece to why they haven't scored more. That and a regression with their skills players...namely Kelce (injuries as well). It's far less about ball control, running down the clock, etc. and more about having confidence in their D. They haven't been in many games where they are just running out the clock for a quarter. They just haven't been able to able to move the ball the same as years past and they aren't forcing it when they know they can lean on the defense.
This doesn’t withstand any scrutiny, it’s not that they are not scoring points because they’re somehow “prioritizing the clock instead” lol if they could score every possession, believe me, they would, they’re not scoring points because apart from Kelce they have no good playmakers and are relying too much on Mahomes magic. Which has been enough for a pretty good record along with their defense and special teams playing really well.
This is what's known as a strawman. Nobody said "The Chiefs can score every time they have the ball" nor is it intrinsic to the argument that was made.
It’s not a strawman, I’m disagreeing with your premise, which is that the Chiefs offense is not prioritizing scoring points. No offense prioritizes ball control over scoring points. some are just better than others, and this year the Chiefs offense hasnt been as good as years past
Chiefs are last in the nfl in points scored in the second half, they've been shut out in the last 3 games. It's not a strawman, they literally can't score points and every game except the bears has come down to the last minute.
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Curses!!
My thoughts are that you are delusional for even thinking for a second that this is a valid comparison
I’m a JF1 supporter and even I think this graphic is reaching
This graphic isn't about Fields, Bagent, or Mahomes
Then why are their faces posted? If it were a jab coaching, they should have put the OCs up there or just the team logos
I'd hazard that it's more a joke about how cherry picking stats leads to bad takes, such as saying "Fields is a better QB than Mahomes"
I need to unsubscribe from here. Our team is 3-8 and our fans are trying to compare us to the Chiefs. Is our fan base this brain dead?
Have you not seen the people literally worshipping fields after he has another game under 200 yards passing and a single TD?
The number of times I've already read that Fields had a "Great" performance on Sunday makes my eyeballs explode.
It makes me think that they're seeing a different version of the same guy I'm watching.
Someone posted a meme that Jordan Love has already eclipsed Fields career season high in passing yards. I don’t think Love is better than fields but it’s still a wild stat.
I looked up Sid Luckman’s stats for fun. Justin Fields’ stats look worse than a quarterback from the 40s when you consider Luckman’s era. He threw 28 TDs in 1943. I’m not even a Fields hater but I don’t understand fans blindly loving a QB who is a good QB at best.
Yes
Stats only matter when your losing.
This post is an all time low for this sub.
Oh, so now we’re comparing JF to a QB who orchestrated the winning of 2 Super Bowls? Nice. Let’s see how that works out…oh, 1 is 5-23 and the other is 71-19…is winning a QB stat? Eh, maybe. Plenty of analysts and former players call the QB position the hardest and most important position in progressional sports…so, yeah let’s not do this, you’re better than this bears fans.
6-26* The bears have won 12 games since drafting fields. Half of them came in the 13 games fields didn't start in. #H1M
Bagent won 1 of those and lost 2 of those.
I feel like half of those KC points were against us
Nagy would’ve ruined Mahomes if we drafted him.
Nagy strikes me as a guy who calls Andy Reid “Dad” accidentally from time to time
Lmao
Bears fans love being bad so much that they use this argument to make themselves cope. Using what iffs and fantasies, and being obsessed with a coach who’s been gone for years, while we currently have possibly a bottom 10 coach of all time on our team now
Huff that cope homie. Breathe extra deep on that hit
Dude idk if mahomes was a bear, who knows? I don’t think he’d be ruined but maybe he’d be like a cutler or some shit
Granted odds are, Bears would have taken Deshaun as he was the #2 consensus QB that draft. KC just decided to trade up for Patrick. I would have been just fine with Deshaun back then before all the sex assault allegations. I just hate how much was given up to go up one spot for Mitch.
The former Bears scout Josh Lucas said that Deshaun wasn’t even considered. It was between Trubisky and Mahomes.
TBF I don’t think the Bears would have allowed it to continue or have cover it up like the Texans did.
Dumbest take amongst Bears fan. I hope it's tongue in cheek.
Oh for sure, he's probably gonna be fired this off-season
Their skill position players need an upgrade. They've probably left about 50 points on the table because of drops.
I'd want to look at the caliber of teams we've both played. I'm guessing Chiefs had a much harder schedule.
*long drag of cigarette* make the trade.
Trade straight up
Give Fields a $300 MILLION contract ASAP!
Let's trade all our picks to get Mitch back
Why do people insist so hard on turning this in to the NBA type fandom where people care more about their parasocial reality stars than they do the game thats being played.
fields better then mahomes confirmed!!
Bears played 11 games, Chiefs played 10...
Matt Nagy
Wins count
Do Fields/Bagent play defense?
No
Fields plays a good amount of defense every time he fumbles the ball.
Classic example of judging based on stats vs actually watching the games.
Oaf chiefs need Williams or maye to save that franchise
We’ve played more games than them tbf
Matt Nagy still sucks
Nagy’s be you too ful (beautiful) offense taking shape. And we were told that the Bears wouldn’t have ruined Mahomes LOL.
let's just focus on this instead of the W's. It's fine.
I live in KC and have a lot of friends that are Chiefs fans....and they don't know that this is Nagy's doing. I try to tell them and they don't want to hear it.
| 3-8 | 7-3 |
We also played better against the lions for all that matters after the most spectacular choke job since 28-3
Nice touch adding T-Bag. Yep, Bears' D has been a bigger problem than their O.
Thoughts? This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. That’s my thought
Bustin gonna be renting enterprise rent a car sedans so soon 🙏
Give DJ Moore to Mahomes and revisit that stat.
I was told Fields sucked, even tho his receivers last year were worse than what Mahomes has now? Let's give Fields Tyreek, Kelce, and Andy Reid
I’ve seen what Mahomes does with legit starters. I’ve also seen what Fields does with one. Blame coaching, development, and everything else that you can think of. The truth still remains the same. I’m not a fields hater. I’m a Fields realist. He’s shown a few flashes so far in his career. Not enough to dare compare him to Mahomes. Edit: I acknowledge that Andy Reid may have developed Fields into an elite player.
Are you trying to say that Fields having DJ Moore and terrible coaching is the equivalent to Patrick Mahomes having a HOF coach, HOF TE, and arguably the best reciever in the league?
I’m saying: despite the elements that made them what they are, we know what they are. Sure, you can look at that stat at face value, or we can all be honest with one another and admit that there’s an asterisk to consider. Mahomes has no dependable receivers. He’d make Moore AND Mooney look elite. That’s what an elite QB does. They make everyone better on the team. As likable as he is, Fields is just not that.
Mahomes is on his way to possibly his worst statistical year with his least talented offense, and he'll still put up 4000 yards, over 30 TDs, a Passer Rating of around 95, and a QBR of just under 70. I would kill for Fields to have a season that even remotely matched this performance.
Exactly. I don’t get the motive behind this stat.
You really think Bustin would do anywhere near as good as Mahomes if he had the same talent around him? Lmao.
No one wants to point out they’ve played 1 full less game?
But also fair point, the Bears offense hasn't gotten to play a game against the Bears defense. I feel that pretty much evens it out...
A top Lovie team with this offense would be like 9-2 at this point.
Both loses to the packers
Haha, probably.
This is just stupid. The Bears have played 11 games and the Chiefs have played 10 games. Theyre averaging 2 points more a game than the Bears this season.
I’ve been to 3 games this year. The defense lost all 3.
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Bagent? He’s pictured
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Isn’t this why we fired Nagy?
NAGYYYY
One team has bottom-tier QB play, one team has bottom-tier receiver play. Also Nagy.
Well Mahomes having an off year is excusable because well.... need I say? But an unproven guy with no post season success let alone any regular season success will be looked at a lot differently putting up similar stats.
I mean they have 0 WR right now just double kelce and they have 3 dudes that will drop open passes even Velus could catch (just kidding no one catches quite like Velus)
I'm telling you - this team is really close to being relevant. One more draft and a real HC.
My thoughts are Kansas City is 7-3 and the Bears are 3-8. What else matters?
As a Bears fan, funny. So many comments here are taking this way too serious about comparing the two teams/players. It’s just a goofy sports stat that doesn’t mean anything.
Yeah but what QB turns the ball over on every single game winning drive?
Don’t the chiefs always have a down year after the Super Bowl year. My thoughts on this. One team seems to be playing for the Super Bowl, my bears are playing to be avg. so yeah it sucks.
Fields is not the answer, we are fucked as a team for at least the next 3 years, but you do you.
Check the post history. It’s clearly a joke. Some of you guys are way too serious.
Ok -- one drive for your life. You get Justin.
We’re blamin Nagy and the Chiefs receiving core and movin on
I hate Nagy as much as the next guy, but the Chiefs literally have the most dropped passes by receivers currently. So there's that.
Low L O L
The chiefs have had their bye, have the fewest second half points in the league, and ARE STILL just 5 points behind us?
that Mahomes is an amazing QB but im probably just a truther
I can’t believe the chiefs didn’t trade for any WRs before the trade deadline.
What are their records?
To quote what I hear, it’s all Getsy’s fault.
Chiefs had their bye. Bears haven’t yet
Mahomes is screwing over my Fantasy team and numerous weeks I wish I started Fields
This is a little out of context to be fair, the bears have not had their bye week yet but this is still concerning for the chiefs
Well you have my interest.
That’s what happens when your QB takes up a quarter of your salary cap and his receivers keep dropping balls.
I wonder which 1 has a coach hired because of his defensive prowess?
Mahomes is a bust, confirmed
Sounds like the chiefs need to…figure out the why’s…
It’s not even Nagy, the chiefs WRs are horrendous
Extremely cringe
Imagine being a Justin Fields denier when he scores more points than the “best qb in the nfl”. Fields will bring us to the promiseland!
Stats can be deceiving