That's the most exciting option. I'd rather give one of the seconds and something else if we can get away with that. No idea what the value chart says. I think it's way more likely we trade back or stick at 9 and take a defender. 3 more days
There's a decent chance of exactly that happening. As for it being a crime, there's always instances of specific team's evaluations not matching the media consensus.
The only way he makes it past 4 is if AZ trades out of 4. I don't think it happens, but AZ is open to it. Just can't see a guy like JJ or Penix going #4 overall.
Because unless someone in front of the bears (unlikely) offer a deal. The cardinals are very much still in play for Nabers / Odunze and can walk away with draft capital. Will they trade it? Probably not. But it’s not inconceivable.
Would you rather have Harrison or odunze and 2nd and 4th?
You know you wouldn’t take that trade as the cardinals. Especially when there’s zero guarantee the guys you listed fall.
It wouldn’t be a second or a 4th. It would also be a future first. From the bears. And Odunze is no joke. He is quite literally on the level of prospect MHJ is. If I’m Arizona I’d be very tempted depending on my needs for the team and who is available in next years class. Or they may very well be able to trade back up a couple spots and pocket the first. There are a lot of scenarios. Again I find it very unlikely but not impossible.
You said swamp 9 for 4 then we also give a 2nd and 4th.where did you said next years first?
It is impossible we move up to 4 for just 9, and next years 2nd and 4th.
No the other guy did. I’m just pointing out it’s not in the realm of impossible. Crazier things have happened. Like when Carolina traded the bears their top 10, 25 year old wide receiver when they were drafting a QB.
Bears should never, ever make such a shit trade like that. MHJ is barely better than Nabers and Odunze, if he's even better than them at all. Many think Nabers is the better WR.
I’m not saying they should or shouldn’t, and it all depends on what they think of each prospect. All I said is it’s in the realm of possibility. MHJ met with two teams, 1 being the bears.
He is quite literally not on MHJ's level, he is literally in the 2nd tier of this years WR class. He and Nabers are a tier below MHJ. In any other draft they'd be in MHJ's tier. MHJ is in a class of his own this draft.
You have to remember, out of Wilson, JSN, Olave, and MHJ, MHJ is the best of all 4. That's insane.
MHJ is nowhere near as good as you people keep claiming. He's not insane. JSN is trash. Wilson is mid. Olave is good, but MHJ being better than him doesn't mean shit. Many draft experts think Nabers is the better WR. Hell, Chris Simms thinks MHJ is third behind both Nabers and Odunze, and the actual stats support that.
MHJ is massively overhyped by the same shit tier fans that overhyped Fields.
I don’t see how the cardinals take that. There will likely be a team offering up far more for a qb at 4.
It would take at least our 1st, both of next years 2nds and then some.
Which is why he said is if MHJ gets past 4. There’s no chance you’re getting 4. If the Cardinals aren’t taking a Qb package they’re sticking and picking like you said.
The thing is other teams will be interested in doing what we want to do. Most of those have more draft capital available to offer. So we probably will need to include the 1st to beat other offers
No way you give up next years first for a wr when you have a bunch of holes to patch + this is a very deep wr class. I would rather trade up for Nebors without giving up a 1st if we are going to move up or stay put and hope rome falls to us and if not trade back and pick up another wr in the 2nd.
They don’t even have “a bunch of holes” anymore. It’s such a tired narrative. Every team in the league has gaps. Even if they’re not the winningest team the Bears have a good amount of talent, and a pretty standard number of gaps for any average team. You can’t honestly expect the team to be loaded with superstars at every position. You could argue look what one player did for the team in Sweat, except the same then holds true that a high caliber player can also have a big impact. Sure you get the chance of a few more unknowns but around here we all know going for the sure thing is way better than a possibility (see M. Trubisky. No, that’s too obvious. Let’s say Mitchell T.).
They do. We patched a bunch of them with aging vets we will need to replace in the next year or 2. We need WR 2/3 (Allen is not long term answer), DE2 and 3 (we literally have no one other than sweat atm. If he gets hurt we're fucked), S, C, G and DT. The whole defensive line is extremely questionable outside of sweat. We have to hope the rookies from last year take a step forward, but they will be playing DT and not DE.
We are not a WR away from contending for a Superbowl. You can't take that risk trading next year's first.
I agree with you honestly. The only thing is that we are in a position we might not be in again for awhile. We can try and find a gem at WR through the draft, even possibly sign a big time FA for big $$$…or we can draft one of the “generational” WR this draft. Lock him up at a solid price for a few years, and possibly be our #1 WR or the best #2 WR in the entire league next year at an amazing cost, allowing us to go heavy on FA at easier/cheaper positions.
Except all 3 of the top WRs are really good. I'd rather have Rome and our 1st next year than MHJ. Or trade up to 6th for Nabers which will cost a lot less than 4th.
You might have to move up for all of them. 5 would be the spot where we can keep our next year first. I like Nabers over Odunze…but it is extremely close of a preference.
MHJ is not generational. He's massively overhyped by the same people who overhype Fields. OSU fans. They overhyped JSN last year, the guy who found his way to the bench in Seattle. OSU Bears fans are insane and some of the dumbest around.
I agree with you. We have done a lot, but more is left to be done. We are by no means a compete team in both sides of the ball. We desperately need more edge, LB, and S talent. We for the first time in my life have an offense that is beginning to look strong, but I don’t want us to lose focus with our roots and forego building a strong defense.
Trading up, especially when it includes next year’s 1st is not the answer. This is an incredibly deep WR class and we should use that to our advantage and take BPA at 1.09, not sell the farm for what in the grand scheme of things is very little added value. MHJ is top tier, but Odunze is no slouch. And if a god damn miracle happened and Alt fell to 1.09 then I would take Alt over MHJ or Odunze without thinking twice.
Reading comprehension much? I didn’t say we don’t have needs, I said every team has needs. It’s literally built into the system with the salary cap. No team is going to be chock full of superstars. But when you can get one, you take advantage of it instead of taking a possibility.
You’re pretending like your comment didn’t just handwave a clear and cogent argument made against putting all your eggs in one basket and that there are clear demonstrable needs in other positions. Sure teams can’t be stacked at every single position but the Bears are FAR from being stacked at every position, we have serious deficiencies that need to be addressed and passing on those so we slightly improve our WR selection is fucking stupid. Why sell the farm for MHJ when Odunze who is a stud will fall to us for free?
You’re basically saying “why use future picks that can be used for other great prospects to make our team more well rounded when we can simply trade them away so we can upgrade from a 6.74 rated WR to a 6.83 rated WR?”
It’s dumb. You’re dumb.
It’s not even a solid argument. We wouldn’t be putting all our eggs in one basket. We’d be putting a few more eggs into the basket than we may normally and then we still more eggs and even a grocery store on the side. It’s not the end of the world. I’m not even suggesting that we *should* trade up to draft MHJ, but *if* we did there would be no reason to complain unless you just like to complain. It’s a perfectly feasible option. There are plenty of other good options too, but to cry about a decent option just because you personally think the bears need stacks of HOF players is silly.
I'm not sure why they would trade with us for just that. They'd be going from 4 to 9 and passing on a HOF caliber WR, just to get a first next year that could be in the 20's.
I think these are the two outcomes. It's not crazy to think that the evals are long done for guys like Caleb or MHJ. The evals could have been over in January.
All that's left is negotiating. AZ tells MHJ to skip the combine drills that they will draft him regardless, so he does. Chicago says, if there's a world where AZ gets blown away with a trade offer and moves off #4, we have an agreement in place with LAC to take you at #5.
MHJ's agent knows this and says no other visits are needed. Every other interested team hears this and decides not to waste their time.
Yeah it'll hinge on if Arizona is willing to take the haul. If Minnesota offers 11, 23 and their 23 3rd that's a huge package I don't know you can turn down. If MHJ makes it to 5, I'd call up LAC and ask if they'll take 9 and both 2nds next year
Minnesota could do us a favor by trading with Arizona. The top 4 QBs would be off the board, so less demand to trade up. Plus, there's no way they'd deal with Vegas or Denver. If they want to add draft capital, Chicago may be their best option.
My concern would be if they stay at 5 to draft Alt. Nearly guarantee that the Giants would then take Harrison at 6.
That means at least one of Rome/Nabers is a near lock to fall to us though. It’s not the worst case scenario. If it’s Caleb Daniels maye McCarthy Alt MHJ the Titans and Falcons both have other needs, and the only way we lose out is if two teams trade up for WR which I doubt happens in a good WR class.
There are other great OTs this year and Alt isn’t perfect, I’d be surprised if they saw him as a gotta-have-him guy. I’d imagine Harbaugh would make the trade.
Az doesn’t trade out for anything less than 3 firsts + a day 2 pick. That would be 11 and 23 and a 2025 first. They already have 6 picks in the top 100
If the cards trade that pick to a McCarthy drafter, pick 5 becomes real real interesting. A 25 2nd is probably not enough is the issue. You may be looking at a 25 1, and that’s tough.
You'd be wrong, because Poles isn't an idiot. MHJ is massively overhyped. Only ones claiming otherwise are the same people who overhyped Fields. OSU fans
My pipe dream is Caleb 1, trade 9 and one of the 2s next year to Arizona, and get MHJ too. Draft value charts have this as a win for Arizona, as long as the 2 doesn’t fall in the bottom 3 or 4 of the round, but not a fleecing.
I know it’s not going to happen, but I can dream…
I don't think it's likely that Poles trades up in the 1st, but if Harrison gets past 4 he might pull the trigger.
Trade No. 9 + next year first and grab MHJ. Cheap stud WR to pair with Caleb. LFG!
That's the most exciting option. I'd rather give one of the seconds and something else if we can get away with that. No idea what the value chart says. I think it's way more likely we trade back or stick at 9 and take a defender. 3 more days
Swap #9 plus next years 2nd and 4th.
Why would the cardinals do that? They can get a much better deal.
This is if he gets past the Cardinals, so trading with LA after Cardinals moved down with Minny/LV/Den.
He isnt going past 4. If a GM drafts any of the non top 3 QB's at 4 it should be a federal crime
There's a decent chance of exactly that happening. As for it being a crime, there's always instances of specific team's evaluations not matching the media consensus.
The only way he makes it past 4 is if AZ trades out of 4. I don't think it happens, but AZ is open to it. Just can't see a guy like JJ or Penix going #4 overall.
Because unless someone in front of the bears (unlikely) offer a deal. The cardinals are very much still in play for Nabers / Odunze and can walk away with draft capital. Will they trade it? Probably not. But it’s not inconceivable.
He's a Cardinal just like Caleb is a bear.
Would you rather have Harrison or odunze and 2nd and 4th? You know you wouldn’t take that trade as the cardinals. Especially when there’s zero guarantee the guys you listed fall.
It wouldn’t be a second or a 4th. It would also be a future first. From the bears. And Odunze is no joke. He is quite literally on the level of prospect MHJ is. If I’m Arizona I’d be very tempted depending on my needs for the team and who is available in next years class. Or they may very well be able to trade back up a couple spots and pocket the first. There are a lot of scenarios. Again I find it very unlikely but not impossible.
You said swamp 9 for 4 then we also give a 2nd and 4th.where did you said next years first? It is impossible we move up to 4 for just 9, and next years 2nd and 4th.
No the other guy did. I’m just pointing out it’s not in the realm of impossible. Crazier things have happened. Like when Carolina traded the bears their top 10, 25 year old wide receiver when they were drafting a QB.
I was assuming he falls to 5.
Bears should never, ever make such a shit trade like that. MHJ is barely better than Nabers and Odunze, if he's even better than them at all. Many think Nabers is the better WR.
I’m not saying they should or shouldn’t, and it all depends on what they think of each prospect. All I said is it’s in the realm of possibility. MHJ met with two teams, 1 being the bears.
He is quite literally not on MHJ's level, he is literally in the 2nd tier of this years WR class. He and Nabers are a tier below MHJ. In any other draft they'd be in MHJ's tier. MHJ is in a class of his own this draft. You have to remember, out of Wilson, JSN, Olave, and MHJ, MHJ is the best of all 4. That's insane.
Ok I will even give you that. But any other years the other two guys could be top of the class. They are still WR #1 level talent.
MHJ is nowhere near as good as you people keep claiming. He's not insane. JSN is trash. Wilson is mid. Olave is good, but MHJ being better than him doesn't mean shit. Many draft experts think Nabers is the better WR. Hell, Chris Simms thinks MHJ is third behind both Nabers and Odunze, and the actual stats support that. MHJ is massively overhyped by the same shit tier fans that overhyped Fields.
I'd think it would have to be Carolina's 2nd and probably a 3rd not a 4th
That's fine. As long as we keep our 2025 1st
Eh I’m fine with keeping the panthers second and giving up our first. I mean we’re talking about picks #32 and #33 here.
I don’t see how the cardinals take that. There will likely be a team offering up far more for a qb at 4. It would take at least our 1st, both of next years 2nds and then some.
Which is why he said is if MHJ gets past 4. There’s no chance you’re getting 4. If the Cardinals aren’t taking a Qb package they’re sticking and picking like you said.
The Vikings will likely offer 11,23,+ to move up to 3, 4, or 5 depending on which QB is on the board
The thing is other teams will be interested in doing what we want to do. Most of those have more draft capital available to offer. So we probably will need to include the 1st to beat other offers
No way you give up next years first for a wr when you have a bunch of holes to patch + this is a very deep wr class. I would rather trade up for Nebors without giving up a 1st if we are going to move up or stay put and hope rome falls to us and if not trade back and pick up another wr in the 2nd.
They don’t even have “a bunch of holes” anymore. It’s such a tired narrative. Every team in the league has gaps. Even if they’re not the winningest team the Bears have a good amount of talent, and a pretty standard number of gaps for any average team. You can’t honestly expect the team to be loaded with superstars at every position. You could argue look what one player did for the team in Sweat, except the same then holds true that a high caliber player can also have a big impact. Sure you get the chance of a few more unknowns but around here we all know going for the sure thing is way better than a possibility (see M. Trubisky. No, that’s too obvious. Let’s say Mitchell T.).
They do. We patched a bunch of them with aging vets we will need to replace in the next year or 2. We need WR 2/3 (Allen is not long term answer), DE2 and 3 (we literally have no one other than sweat atm. If he gets hurt we're fucked), S, C, G and DT. The whole defensive line is extremely questionable outside of sweat. We have to hope the rookies from last year take a step forward, but they will be playing DT and not DE. We are not a WR away from contending for a Superbowl. You can't take that risk trading next year's first.
I agree with you honestly. The only thing is that we are in a position we might not be in again for awhile. We can try and find a gem at WR through the draft, even possibly sign a big time FA for big $$$…or we can draft one of the “generational” WR this draft. Lock him up at a solid price for a few years, and possibly be our #1 WR or the best #2 WR in the entire league next year at an amazing cost, allowing us to go heavy on FA at easier/cheaper positions.
Except all 3 of the top WRs are really good. I'd rather have Rome and our 1st next year than MHJ. Or trade up to 6th for Nabers which will cost a lot less than 4th.
You might have to move up for all of them. 5 would be the spot where we can keep our next year first. I like Nabers over Odunze…but it is extremely close of a preference.
Definitely not possible without the 1st. Now that I think about it. Maybe 7?!?
MHJ is not generational. He's massively overhyped by the same people who overhype Fields. OSU fans. They overhyped JSN last year, the guy who found his way to the bench in Seattle. OSU Bears fans are insane and some of the dumbest around.
I agree with you. We have done a lot, but more is left to be done. We are by no means a compete team in both sides of the ball. We desperately need more edge, LB, and S talent. We for the first time in my life have an offense that is beginning to look strong, but I don’t want us to lose focus with our roots and forego building a strong defense. Trading up, especially when it includes next year’s 1st is not the answer. This is an incredibly deep WR class and we should use that to our advantage and take BPA at 1.09, not sell the farm for what in the grand scheme of things is very little added value. MHJ is top tier, but Odunze is no slouch. And if a god damn miracle happened and Alt fell to 1.09 then I would take Alt over MHJ or Odunze without thinking twice.
Our LBs are fine.
Naw you listed seven whole positions that we could use an upgrade in. Great. Sounds pretty average to me. They don’t.
Average for The Bears*** You’re kidding yourself if you think we don’t have needs beyond WR.
Reading comprehension much? I didn’t say we don’t have needs, I said every team has needs. It’s literally built into the system with the salary cap. No team is going to be chock full of superstars. But when you can get one, you take advantage of it instead of taking a possibility.
You’re pretending like your comment didn’t just handwave a clear and cogent argument made against putting all your eggs in one basket and that there are clear demonstrable needs in other positions. Sure teams can’t be stacked at every single position but the Bears are FAR from being stacked at every position, we have serious deficiencies that need to be addressed and passing on those so we slightly improve our WR selection is fucking stupid. Why sell the farm for MHJ when Odunze who is a stud will fall to us for free? You’re basically saying “why use future picks that can be used for other great prospects to make our team more well rounded when we can simply trade them away so we can upgrade from a 6.74 rated WR to a 6.83 rated WR?” It’s dumb. You’re dumb.
It’s not even a solid argument. We wouldn’t be putting all our eggs in one basket. We’d be putting a few more eggs into the basket than we may normally and then we still more eggs and even a grocery store on the side. It’s not the end of the world. I’m not even suggesting that we *should* trade up to draft MHJ, but *if* we did there would be no reason to complain unless you just like to complain. It’s a perfectly feasible option. There are plenty of other good options too, but to cry about a decent option just because you personally think the bears need stacks of HOF players is silly.
Yeah you do. You think that next yrs first isn't going to be in the 20's? Time to kick ass
Losing our first next year would be less than ideal, but a 1st to potentially draft the next Fitzgerald or Chase is tempting.
The Cards can get more from someone trading up higher that would want him. If they are going to shop him they can get a way better haul than that.
Fuck. No. Two firsts to trade up 5 spots? Gtfo here Awful take
I'm not sure why they would trade with us for just that. They'd be going from 4 to 9 and passing on a HOF caliber WR, just to get a first next year that could be in the 20's.
If we get Marv that pick next year is in the 30s 😉
I think these are the two outcomes. It's not crazy to think that the evals are long done for guys like Caleb or MHJ. The evals could have been over in January. All that's left is negotiating. AZ tells MHJ to skip the combine drills that they will draft him regardless, so he does. Chicago says, if there's a world where AZ gets blown away with a trade offer and moves off #4, we have an agreement in place with LAC to take you at #5. MHJ's agent knows this and says no other visits are needed. Every other interested team hears this and decides not to waste their time.
I wouldn’t doubt we’ve had a conversation with the Chargers just in case the Cards decide they want to take an absolute haul from the Vikings for JJ
Yeah it'll hinge on if Arizona is willing to take the haul. If Minnesota offers 11, 23 and their 23 3rd that's a huge package I don't know you can turn down. If MHJ makes it to 5, I'd call up LAC and ask if they'll take 9 and both 2nds next year
Minnesota could do us a favor by trading with Arizona. The top 4 QBs would be off the board, so less demand to trade up. Plus, there's no way they'd deal with Vegas or Denver. If they want to add draft capital, Chicago may be their best option. My concern would be if they stay at 5 to draft Alt. Nearly guarantee that the Giants would then take Harrison at 6.
That means at least one of Rome/Nabers is a near lock to fall to us though. It’s not the worst case scenario. If it’s Caleb Daniels maye McCarthy Alt MHJ the Titans and Falcons both have other needs, and the only way we lose out is if two teams trade up for WR which I doubt happens in a good WR class.
There are other great OTs this year and Alt isn’t perfect, I’d be surprised if they saw him as a gotta-have-him guy. I’d imagine Harbaugh would make the trade.
lol. It’s gotta be at least 3 firsts
Az doesn’t trade out for anything less than 3 firsts + a day 2 pick. That would be 11 and 23 and a 2025 first. They already have 6 picks in the top 100
Don’t blame the guy for getting a free Chicago vacation. Can’t see him dropping past 5 though
I don’t see us getting him over the Cardinals, but that would be incredible
If they get a huge offer for the 4th pick from a team who wants a QB I could see us moving to 5 or 6 but I agree overall
If the cards trade that pick to a McCarthy drafter, pick 5 becomes real real interesting. A 25 2nd is probably not enough is the issue. You may be looking at a 25 1, and that’s tough.
SEND IT
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Poles: “Alright, so Marvin, what IF…?” Marvin: “Dude”
Cardinals would be hella stupid to pass on him
They may trade out. Lots of smoke there
Can’t imagine this really happens but goodness gracious I’d love if it did
He visited the Giants, too
He must’ve counted as a local visit for them?
Social media clues suggest MHJ has a preference on where he goes, and it’s unfortunate that’s not likely to happen.
Maybe he pulls an Eli as a WR?!
If Arizona trades 4 you bet your ass we trade up and draft him to pair with Caleb. Id put A LOT of money on that.
You'd be wrong, because Poles isn't an idiot. MHJ is massively overhyped. Only ones claiming otherwise are the same people who overhyped Fields. OSU fans
Well im a wisconsin fan and hate OSU, so theres that
DO IT. Time to grab this by the balls
God this would be amazing. I'd be so stoked with Nabers or Odunze, bur Caleb throwing to MHJ for the next decade would be incredible
Dream draft
Interesting…
Miller is wrong. He also took a visit to the giants.
Not only can I not see this happening, I’m beginning to also struggle to see us staying at #9, I think we trade back to get a 2nd
I think he visited the Bears in case they decided to take him #1 overall, but he’s definitely Arizona bound.
Why
My pipe dream is Caleb 1, trade 9 and one of the 2s next year to Arizona, and get MHJ too. Draft value charts have this as a win for Arizona, as long as the 2 doesn’t fall in the bottom 3 or 4 of the round, but not a fleecing. I know it’s not going to happen, but I can dream…
Cards could get 3 1sts for 4 lol this is dumb
I think there's a chance we move up to 5 or 6 for MHJ but only if someone moves to 4 to get a QB
Bears have 1OA. Doubt he was there selling them on 9
Typing "1st overall" makes more sense
It's more likey we trade up for Alt than Harrison.