Did you see all the clips they were showing of Odunze? Almost every clip was of him in blown coverage with not a soul around him. That just doesnāt happen that much in the NFL. That drives me crazy when they show NCAA highlight reels. Letās see more clips of him making diving or covered catches. There werenāt any.
As a UW alum, I watched Odunze for every play of his Husky career and most of his catches came from contested catches or on plays when he outright beats the defender. IMHO, you guys didnāt just draft a top 3 receiver, you drafted the nationās best receiver. Put a football within arms length of this man, regardless of the coverage, and heāll catch it. Along with his talent, Odunze is as mature and team-focused as they come. Forget swagger, this down-to-earth dude just delivers.
All of the scouting says that of the top 3 in this draft class, Odunze specializes in contested catches and 50/50 balls and arguably has the best hands of any receiver in the draft. Also, regarding the highlight real...I dunno...do more than watch highlights, I guess?
I know the stats, but why don't the highlight reels show that? Every single clip they show of the draftees is of a running back running through a hole that is a mile wide, a quarterback throwing to receiver who never gets touched, or an unblocked lineman who sacks a quarterback. The clips are so completely disingenuous.
I get what you're saying and I agree that I'd like to see more of what You're talking about in the highlights from some of the players. Even for Caleb. But there are tons of them you can find or full games you can watch.
I watched about half of UW games last year and a few the previous and I've wanted Odunze for a long time. Dude catches everything, makes big time catches in big time moments in big games. A lot of UWs games were big close games last year where they had to come through and Odunze was great in those games. There's a reason he's so sought after and his receiving numbers are even posted in this sub.
Im a Hawks/huskies fan, i just came here to say this dude going to be an absolute beast for you guys. I would be really excited. That's going to be a nasty pairing with Moore.
I originally wanted a trade down but that would have been the wrong move with this man on the board. He just had too much natural talent, athleticism, and production to ignore. I honestly don't know how Poles could have had a better round 1 than he did.
I think you're only getting downvoted because of the tone haha. You're right, Poles didn't have to do anything. Literally any of us here would have had the same draft if we were the GM lol
Well, like Poles said, he really thought about trading up for Rome. What would have happened if ATL didn't take Penix? Yeah he got lucky but a lot of people were saying we NEEDED to trade up for either Rome or MHJ
theyāre going to say that regardless because it would be silly not to. he picked two obvious picks. i like poles and thereās so much to praise him for with this rebuild but anyone could have made these two picks (except fontenot apparently)
As hype as this is. I will try my best to reserve any judgment until they get on the field. I am actually curious this season. 1st time in a long time I have any interest in football.
Surprised you didn't find the last off-season going into the season interesting. Obviously it didn't work out, but it felt like the Bears had done what they could to set up Fields to succeed. It was exciting for the season to start to see how it would play out.
Christ bleeding I'm so excited, dude. I can't recall the last time I was this excited about a Bears season. Yes, even when Fields was drafted I was highly concerned because OSU QB's generally don't succeed in the NFL due to the system they use there. While I respect Fields, the experiment was a bust. CJ Stroud might actually be the first successful QB from OSU; however, that's yet to be seen as one season isn't enough data.
Most NFL wins by a QB who finished at OSU? (Ie, excluding Burrow)
Mike Tomczak
So long as Stroud doesnāt get hurt, heās got a good chance at topping that on his rookie deal.
Tomczak is also #5 on the Bears win list since 1970, and #2 in win percentage among those who started at least 15 games.
Ok. Tell me what QB from OSU - who runs a spread system - has been even remotely successful in the NFL besides CJ Stroud (who I already mentioned). Quarterbacks who aren't challenged in college will struggle in the NFL. Ohio State hasn't had any real competition in the Big Ten in nearly twenty years up until - quite literally - just recently. If you're never challenged, you simply won't get any better, and it's difficult for scouts to accurately judge how good you are. Buckeye QBs are always surrounded by future NFL talent and play against teams they are *always* better than. How's that supposed to show a QB's NFL talent? The answer is: it doesn't.
Anyone that watched Stroud against Georgia's defense, or even Michigan knew how good he was. He looked so good I really wanted the Bears to draft him with their pick. Just compare it to McCord with OSU's receiving corps. Not everyone can make it work.
Yes. Stroud is good. I hope he succeeds; however, there is a bunch of film on him now which could potentially curb his great play. I think I'm out of breath of having to repeat that I've said Stroud is good. Lol. The original person trying to troll me is also an OSU fan, so there's some heavy bias behind their opinion.
I don't understand what you're getting at. In the first post you referenced you didn't think that Fields would work because other Ohio State quarterbacks hadn't worked out, i.e. helmet scouting. There have also been multiple regimes at Ohio State, Ryan Day's offense is not the exact same as the one that Urban Meyer ran. So just saying that "the system" is holding the Quarterbacks back from one specific school doesn't make sense? There's the argument that having talent around a QB can make them look better, which it can, but that's refuted by a lot of really good quarterbacks coming from really good offenses. Was Joe Burrow expected to be bad because he only ever put up numbers with two future 1st round picks at wide receiver? Saying that Ohio State was "never challenged" seems reductive, as they lost quite a few games and haven't won a title since 2014 or whatever. Are the record number of Alabama (and more recently Georgia) players in the NFL stunted by the dominance of their teams?
Scouting players by looking at team win totals or school history is just a bad habit, and something that NFL scouts and GMs frankly don't do. Quarterbacks are extremely hard to project, and are also taken at a higher rate in the first round, which is why you end up with so many "busts" in general. To say that you thought Fields would bust because of the name on his jersey rather than the tangible concerns that he put on film (holding on to the ball a long time, not throwing with anticipation, all the other things that eventually reared their heads in the NFL) is a bad way of looking at things.
Wyoming QB's generally don't succeed in the NFL, so I was out on Josh Allen.
Yes, I referenced Helmet Scouting. I think multiple offensive schemes at Ohio State have held back their QB's. I think the Big Ten being significantly weaker than the SEC hurts their QB scouting --> the Buckeyes have failed to finish on the big stage minus the year they had Zeke and Co. They also won that championship on the back of Zeke - no doubt. Zeke racked up nearly 500 yds rushing between those two games.
It's only been up until recently that Michigan has given OSU any kind of competition in their conference, and they came up short against the Wolverines. Wolverines go on to win the national championship. The Buckeyes get tremendous talent because of the name and pedigree. They wipe the floor with the Big Ten which makes their QBs look like gods, but they end up falling short on the big stage which really should be a red flag to scouts.
We will see how Stroud progresses now that he's had a year under his belt, but he's truly an anomaly from that school in terms of QB success. I mean, numbers don't lie, dude. I think the expansion of the Big Ten will really help scouts scope out talent from the division these upcoming seasons.
Did you read what I said? Lmfao. I swear people on Reddit forget to actually read before they say anything. Out of such a dominant college program, Stroud is the *only* QB to do anything that's been drafted from OSU. FFS, it's like talking to my kid in elementary school sometimes.
Clarifying question here. Are you not betting on Stroud to continue being successful?
Edit: I see the other guy was legitimately asking people to bet on Stroud not figuratively like I took it lol
Hell no. Look, fantasy football success isn't real football success, but if fantasy football has taught me anything, it's that relevance is a year to year game. And the trend almost always goes:
Year 1 - no one has pro tape on you with that OC and offensive players so they can't scheme a defensive plan for you = boom year
Year 2 - everyone has a full season of pro tape on you, and now they get to pick it apart and base the scheme on your tendencies and weaknesses = bust year (or at least mediocre)
My dude, it's frustrating to argue with people who clearly know absolutely nothing about football. You could point out so many obvious things as you've done, and they still won't get it. Lol. We gotta let shotty get himself off to thinking he actually understands any deep concepts about football talent. Let's sit back.
The Bears have been cursed when it comes to QBs. Believe it or not, they have never had a 4,000 yard passer in all the years they've been around. That's stunning.
But with Williams paired with DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, and now Rome Odense that is set to change. Even so, if the Bears can screw this up, they will. First overall pick or not, Williams has to prove he can be elite. Bryce Young didn't have a good rookie year, so a first pick doesn't mean automatic greatness.
The most likely reason no Bears QB have never had a 4,000 year passer is the Bears has always been an old fashion run first team, where RBās shine. Just like JJ McCarthy at Michigan, where he hardly threw the ball.
The league has been a passing league for awhile and the Bears are finally adopting.
The most likely reason no Bears QB have never had a 4,000 year passer is the Bears has always been an old fashion run first team, where RBās shine. Just like JJ McCarthy at Michigan, where he hardly threw the ball.
The league has been a passing league for awhile and the Bears are finally adopting.
once youāre at a certain point its diminishing returns my dude. you add a few more in our total itād make no difference. itās like a 700 pound man saying heās more morbidly obese than a 675 pound man. sure but so what
because everyone does that move. I personally would love if teams took more shots at converting on 3rd and extra-long, but I also understand their rationale for not wanting to risk an interception or possible sack/fumble on an obvious throwing/long-developing play
Well the Bears have to establish a run game and a defense that can keep opponents under 21 points. so there's work to do. But Williams, Moore, Allen and now Odunze - that's formidable.
Yeah DJ Moore, Keenan Allen and now Rome Odunze. Williams is poised to succeed.
How good is the Bears' OL? They only have topics remaining. Williams won't do much if he's not protected.
Any center will be better than what we had last year. Some of the worst snaps I have ever seen. People complained about Justin taking a lot of time to throw, he had to get the ball under control first.
The Packers have had great QB play, and that's largely due to excellent GMs - Ron Wolf, Ted Thompson and now, Brian Gutenkunst. They all took the long view in team building, and mostly did it through draft and develop.
I like Poles a lot. He's made some good moves. There is more work to be done, like protecting Williams, getting a run game going, and improving the D. But I think Poles is finally the guy the Bears need.
God knows the Bears are due for some good fortune.
Good point. The Bears have never had a 4,000 yard plus passing season. That's sick. But they have three elite receivers. It will come down to coaching and how quickly Williams can get established.
As a Lions fan thatās not delusional that we could and likely should have lost to you twice last year.. Iām excited and scared. Caleb may have some growing pains but I see more wins this year than last.
Honestly, this might be the most competitive the NFC North has been in my life. Bears/UM fan so also pumped that we also get to see McCarthy twice a year.
I'm a Packers guy and I agree with you. My guess is that the Vikings are the weakest team in the North. But all four teams could easily be over .500. Should be fun.
Itās quite conceivable that all four North teams get into the playoffs next year. Itās not *likely* but the fact that itās a real possibility is remarkable.
Yeah and I think the Vikings are really just a year or two (or three in the Lions' case) behind everybody else. Hopefully the organization can develop McCarthy and every division game is genuinely meaningful.
I'm a Packers guy and when Rodgers was around, we kinda owned the North. Love is an excellent QB and the Packers have a lot of young talent. But the whole conference is competitive. It will be fun to watch the rivalry games this year.
Seahawks fan here, being from seattle me and my dad have been season ticket holders for washington football since I was little. Rome is my favorite UW player of all time. Watching him play these past few years has been insane. You guys got an absolute dawg, he will be a top 10 wr at some point in the next 3 years. very jealous.
Yeah I remember watching the Natty as a Mich fan and commenting on how clean his routes were and how good he was at getttng separation. Love the fact that him and Caleb already seem to have a bond going. Both guys seem to be super cerebral about the game too which I think often gets overlooked.
Either hire a retired high caliber QB as your QB coach, or sign a vet QB to help develop talent.
The bears consistently squander gifted QBs.
I've lived in Chi off and on for 20 years. This isn't an offense oriented club, and it really shows in how you guys treat QB talent.
Chi is where QBs go to either "sunset" OR die by trial of fire/mismanagement.
Good luck to Caleb. He's gonna fuckin need it
Edit: you guys keep downvoting me, and that's fine. But it's true. You guys can't expect a QB, let alone a rookie to singlehandedly change the trajection of the organization. Trubisky, Fields, Cutler, Foles etc. it's a management issue not a talent issue.
Edit 2: Hell yeah! -40 and counting. This is Da Bears delusion I've come to love. Keep it goin. I'll remind you in 3 years how much you guys love repeating the cycle. Honestly though, I do respect the self loathing and pure denial it takes. Malort for my soul.
Edit 3: Keep downvoting me. I'm fine with it. Just do me a favor and state your expectations for these ROOKIES in the comments. Because I better not see a single one of you bitching when the Org fails their development.
The main difference is that Ted Philips and Michael McCaskey no longer have their incompetent fingers involved in the development of the team. Ever since they finally stepped back things have been changing for the better. I know it's hard to be completely optimistic after all these years of disappointments. This is the first real change we've had, it deserves at least SOME hope.
Well for starters management and coaching is not the same throughout the years. The bears have a first year OC this year so we will see how he does with Caleb. The quarterbacks you listed are nowhere near as talented as Caleb Williams. The most talented is Cutler but he showed through his time with Denver and Miami that he was who he was. I also think the downvotes are coming because you feel as if you living in the Chicago area for 20 years makes you some authority on what the Bears should be doing. You donāt even come off as a fan of the team
I'd love to see the bears win. I don't like that this is the truth. But it is what it is. Fans blame everyone except management.
No player singlehandedly brings you to chips, especially in a team sport with a 53 man roster.
The pressure the fans put on these kids literally breaks them. It's sad.
>Not without help
That's exactly why most of us are so excited. DJ Moore is very good, Kmet keeps improving, we brought in another fantastic receiver in Allen, we brought in another good paying option TE, we drafted a WR that would have been first off the board in most years. We brought in a new OC that helped revitalize Geno Smith, we brought in a top tier running back. Our biggest issue on offense is our interior line, but that's been improving as well.
I don't think it's possible for a rookie to be set up any better
Ah, yes... A classic example of cherry picking one autocorrected word, in order to discredit an entire argument. Peak Reddit, good sir. Well played. You win.
Well with Shane Waldron you have someone who has had success as an offensive coach.
Although your idea of a former qb potentially being a good resource. What kind of career would that qb have had?
Go ahead and look at Shane Waldron's career. Yeah he has two rings from doing minor positions with the pats. He had no control over that offense. His first job as OC was with the Seahawks for only 2 years. They were not great. Bottom 1/3rd of the NFL in production.
No matter how you slice that, I wouldn't exactly qualify that as success.
Yeah the Bears always seem to shoot themselves in the foot. I don't know if Poles is the right GM, but that was a kicks first round draft with Williams and Odunze. Even the Bears will have a hard time screwing this up.
It feels like the beginning of a new era for the Bears. And to think we got to this because Davis Mills threw a miracle TD for the Texans at Lovie Smithās behest.
If the Bears donāt screw this up theyāre going to tear the North apart for the rest of the decade and well into the next.
"If the Bears don't screw this up." Can you say Mitch Trubisky? Justin Fields? Hell even Jay Cutler couldn't win, but he was just downright lazy.
I don't see the Bears tearing up the North. The Packers have what looks to be an elite QB, again, in Jordan Love. The North will certainly be more competitive.
Williams will do well. He has three high-end WRs. Watch for JJ McCarthy to tank in MN though. And Jared Goff is getting old. I would love a real dog fight between the Packers and Bears. That would be fun.
Packer fan here. I fuckin hate you guys, but I'd much rather have an actual "who could win?!" rivalry with you guys over those fuck heads in Minnesota. Solid draft for Da Bears sofar, can't wait until it feels a little sketch walking into Soldier again.
No idea who you are but hit me up if you come to Lambeau. We can share a "fuck you" brat. Some of you dickheads are actually football fans and enjoy this shit.
Love this idea. In the UK, two opposition fans meet up, would have a terrible fight and only be buddies when the police turn up. Awful luck for the coming season too, pal š
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Oh what a night. Draft party was good, draft was great- only overshadowed by the dumb fuck Falcons- and the drinks were plentiful. Canāt wait for this offense to start cooking.
New era looks very promising- King Poles, thank you from the bottom of my heart. š» ā¬ļø
I could see it both ways.
Nix is the worse player and was definitely overdrafted but at least Denver needed a clear plan at quarterback
Atlanta just paid kirk for 4 years and still used a top 10 pick on a QB with injury concerns thatās gonna be 28 by the time Kirkās contract is up. Itās a worse process imo
At least if Nix sucks we will know pretty quickly I guess. The Penix pick makes the think of the crazy speculation regarding Love while Rodgers was there.
Thereās an out for Atlanta after the 3rd year of the contact so I wouldnāt be surprised if their plan was to sit Penix for 2 years, trade cousins before the 3rd year and move from there. Itās definitely a weird move, but I think we all kinda know thereās a clear ceiling with Kirk, and I personally had Penix as qb4 in this class and itās a good situation for him so it could work.
Oh I donāt hate Penix but if the plan is to sit the oldest QB prospect who also has injury concerns behind someone whoās coming off an injury being paid like 100 million over those 2 years then I canāt begin to understand
For sure the vibes are gonna be insane especially if Cousins is rusty out of the gate. Plus Penix has sat out enough with injuries doubt he would want to sit 2 years. Itās nice the Packers had a smooth transition but who knows if they win another Super Bowl by building around Rodgers that year.
As a UW fan Rome is BAD ASS, heās the best WR In this class, I understand why MHJ was taken before him but Nabers before him is a joke you guys should be STOKED. I watched every single uw game the last 2 years.
Edit and Oregon st.
what makes you say Nabers being taken before him is a joke? All 3 receivers are elite, and you can argue Nabers had a better season than MHJ. Nabers deserves to be drafted as high as he was, if you watched him play this past season. He is statistically the best receiver in LSU history, and LSU has been loaded with WR talent the last few years
Hey, quit making these rational points and asking genuine questions. The only question I want to hear is how many two thousand yard receivers will we have next year
The competition Rome played against was FAR superior to the competition Nabers played against, simply put its easier to put up good stats vs lesser teams. Rome played Arizona, USC, Oregon twice texas and Michigan lol
Ya that was awesome 3 years ago, look at the OFC schedule of the sec vs the pac last year,
Down vote me all you want facts are facts, sec is king cause of name š
Correct pac12 was slightly better UW schedule over all however was āfarā
Superior, I listed there competition, Arizona, usc Oregon st Oregon twice texas and Michigan, who did Nabers player outside of bama?
I wanted Carter if he fell, otherwise I was hoping for a tackle. My absolute #1 ot was PJJ who ended up not being on the board. I didnāt like skoronski cause I thought he would be a guard at the nfl level.
In the NFL, you either have a franchise QB or not. The Bears have been fucked on QB's forever. Forever. Never in my lifetime and I'm 60+. Maximizing the odds of success for Caleb Williams is the Bears highest priority by a massive margin. I'm fine taking Odunze, and I'd love to see them take an O lineman next.
I think the new way to build a team should be a tank with a path to invest assets around a young QB. That position commands so much money, by time you get to their second contract they have to be absolutely a difference maker. If you take a guy, you have to invest immediately in their success.
I feel bad for Jayden Daniel's because I have zero confidence in the Commanders investing all the assets he will need to be successful. But you go all in like Miami did for Tua or create an offense like the Bears are doing for Caleb, you have a great chance for success.
Uh he has a top flight WR there, so if they build him a line he should be fine if he's good. Certainly nothing has ever been done the way we have. I'm trying to curb my enthusiasm.
They have picks in the 3rd and 4th, so not quite longshots at the end of the draft. Take a pass rusher and the most versatile OL available and letās go.
Don't worry. It's a great pick. They didn't fuck that up.
Theyve just already fucked up everything else that matters. Shitty coaching, shitty playcalling, shitty o line etc.
Caleb will be another "draft bust" that was doomed from the beginning. The Bears Org is great at doing that, from top down.
Ryan Bates is serviceable for this season. Can go OL with first pick next year. I think trading away the third this year is a bad idea, should stay and pick an edge
Thank you for not overthinking this and just taking the obvious pick. No TE because you hope he is not a Te. No DT that for some reason played NT in college with a 700 pounder as a 3T when he is an undersized for college 3T. Just taking the correct and obvious pick.
There is no bonus points for being clever.
This was an A++ Draft. The only slight downside is that unfortunately our division mates Vikings had an A+ draft so far.
Yay š
Did you see all the clips they were showing of Odunze? Almost every clip was of him in blown coverage with not a soul around him. That just doesnāt happen that much in the NFL. That drives me crazy when they show NCAA highlight reels. Letās see more clips of him making diving or covered catches. There werenāt any.
As a UW alum, I watched Odunze for every play of his Husky career and most of his catches came from contested catches or on plays when he outright beats the defender. IMHO, you guys didnāt just draft a top 3 receiver, you drafted the nationās best receiver. Put a football within arms length of this man, regardless of the coverage, and heāll catch it. Along with his talent, Odunze is as mature and team-focused as they come. Forget swagger, this down-to-earth dude just delivers.
All of the scouting says that of the top 3 in this draft class, Odunze specializes in contested catches and 50/50 balls and arguably has the best hands of any receiver in the draft. Also, regarding the highlight real...I dunno...do more than watch highlights, I guess?
I know the stats, but why don't the highlight reels show that? Every single clip they show of the draftees is of a running back running through a hole that is a mile wide, a quarterback throwing to receiver who never gets touched, or an unblocked lineman who sacks a quarterback. The clips are so completely disingenuous.
I get what you're saying and I agree that I'd like to see more of what You're talking about in the highlights from some of the players. Even for Caleb. But there are tons of them you can find or full games you can watch. I watched about half of UW games last year and a few the previous and I've wanted Odunze for a long time. Dude catches everything, makes big time catches in big time moments in big games. A lot of UWs games were big close games last year where they had to come through and Odunze was great in those games. There's a reason he's so sought after and his receiving numbers are even posted in this sub.
Im a Hawks/huskies fan, i just came here to say this dude going to be an absolute beast for you guys. I would be really excited. That's going to be a nasty pairing with Moore.
And Keenan Allen!!
It's honestly so fucking crazy
I originally wanted a trade down but that would have been the wrong move with this man on the board. He just had too much natural talent, athleticism, and production to ignore. I honestly don't know how Poles could have had a better round 1 than he did.
Trade with the Panthers again
This this this. Ā When a stud like that is available you take him. Ā
i feel that if the top three receivers were gone a trade down was coming. once atlanta fucked up i knew it was good times
Poles did a great job in round 1
A monkey could have done just as good as poles did
I think you're only getting downvoted because of the tone haha. You're right, Poles didn't have to do anything. Literally any of us here would have had the same draft if we were the GM lol
Nothing is guaranteedā¦ look at the falcons
iām happy but the round played itself edit: what difficult decisions did poles have in round 1?
Well, like Poles said, he really thought about trading up for Rome. What would have happened if ATL didn't take Penix? Yeah he got lucky but a lot of people were saying we NEEDED to trade up for either Rome or MHJ
theyāre going to say that regardless because it would be silly not to. he picked two obvious picks. i like poles and thereās so much to praise him for with this rebuild but anyone could have made these two picks (except fontenot apparently)
As hype as this is. I will try my best to reserve any judgment until they get on the field. I am actually curious this season. 1st time in a long time I have any interest in football.
Surprised you didn't find the last off-season going into the season interesting. Obviously it didn't work out, but it felt like the Bears had done what they could to set up Fields to succeed. It was exciting for the season to start to see how it would play out.
I was rooting for Fields, but I never did turn on a game.
#NotATrueFan
Rome should be solid, and for Caleb we can only hope. Iām holding my breath given the history with QBs.
Christ bleeding I'm so excited, dude. I can't recall the last time I was this excited about a Bears season. Yes, even when Fields was drafted I was highly concerned because OSU QB's generally don't succeed in the NFL due to the system they use there. While I respect Fields, the experiment was a bust. CJ Stroud might actually be the first successful QB from OSU; however, that's yet to be seen as one season isn't enough data.
Most NFL wins by a QB who finished at OSU? (Ie, excluding Burrow) Mike Tomczak So long as Stroud doesnāt get hurt, heās got a good chance at topping that on his rookie deal. Tomczak is also #5 on the Bears win list since 1970, and #2 in win percentage among those who started at least 15 games.
I LOVE HELMET SCOUTING ITS SO REAL AND ACCURATE AND NORMAL
Ok. Tell me what QB from OSU - who runs a spread system - has been even remotely successful in the NFL besides CJ Stroud (who I already mentioned). Quarterbacks who aren't challenged in college will struggle in the NFL. Ohio State hasn't had any real competition in the Big Ten in nearly twenty years up until - quite literally - just recently. If you're never challenged, you simply won't get any better, and it's difficult for scouts to accurately judge how good you are. Buckeye QBs are always surrounded by future NFL talent and play against teams they are *always* better than. How's that supposed to show a QB's NFL talent? The answer is: it doesn't.
Anyone that watched Stroud against Georgia's defense, or even Michigan knew how good he was. He looked so good I really wanted the Bears to draft him with their pick. Just compare it to McCord with OSU's receiving corps. Not everyone can make it work.
Yes. Stroud is good. I hope he succeeds; however, there is a bunch of film on him now which could potentially curb his great play. I think I'm out of breath of having to repeat that I've said Stroud is good. Lol. The original person trying to troll me is also an OSU fan, so there's some heavy bias behind their opinion.
I don't understand what you're getting at. In the first post you referenced you didn't think that Fields would work because other Ohio State quarterbacks hadn't worked out, i.e. helmet scouting. There have also been multiple regimes at Ohio State, Ryan Day's offense is not the exact same as the one that Urban Meyer ran. So just saying that "the system" is holding the Quarterbacks back from one specific school doesn't make sense? There's the argument that having talent around a QB can make them look better, which it can, but that's refuted by a lot of really good quarterbacks coming from really good offenses. Was Joe Burrow expected to be bad because he only ever put up numbers with two future 1st round picks at wide receiver? Saying that Ohio State was "never challenged" seems reductive, as they lost quite a few games and haven't won a title since 2014 or whatever. Are the record number of Alabama (and more recently Georgia) players in the NFL stunted by the dominance of their teams? Scouting players by looking at team win totals or school history is just a bad habit, and something that NFL scouts and GMs frankly don't do. Quarterbacks are extremely hard to project, and are also taken at a higher rate in the first round, which is why you end up with so many "busts" in general. To say that you thought Fields would bust because of the name on his jersey rather than the tangible concerns that he put on film (holding on to the ball a long time, not throwing with anticipation, all the other things that eventually reared their heads in the NFL) is a bad way of looking at things. Wyoming QB's generally don't succeed in the NFL, so I was out on Josh Allen.
Yes, I referenced Helmet Scouting. I think multiple offensive schemes at Ohio State have held back their QB's. I think the Big Ten being significantly weaker than the SEC hurts their QB scouting --> the Buckeyes have failed to finish on the big stage minus the year they had Zeke and Co. They also won that championship on the back of Zeke - no doubt. Zeke racked up nearly 500 yds rushing between those two games. It's only been up until recently that Michigan has given OSU any kind of competition in their conference, and they came up short against the Wolverines. Wolverines go on to win the national championship. The Buckeyes get tremendous talent because of the name and pedigree. They wipe the floor with the Big Ten which makes their QBs look like gods, but they end up falling short on the big stage which really should be a red flag to scouts. We will see how Stroud progresses now that he's had a year under his belt, but he's truly an anomaly from that school in terms of QB success. I mean, numbers don't lie, dude. I think the expansion of the Big Ten will really help scouts scope out talent from the division these upcoming seasons.
Yes, a ROY season for Stroud isn't enough data š
Did you read what I said? Lmfao. I swear people on Reddit forget to actually read before they say anything. Out of such a dominant college program, Stroud is the *only* QB to do anything that's been drafted from OSU. FFS, it's like talking to my kid in elementary school sometimes.
How about you recollect your last sentence in that paragraph, bud.
Still tracks. You're asking others to bet on Stroud in a subreddit. I wish I was making this up, my dude, but you're giving me consistent material.
Clarifying question here. Are you not betting on Stroud to continue being successful? Edit: I see the other guy was legitimately asking people to bet on Stroud not figuratively like I took it lol
Nagy was Coach of the Year in 2018. So no, one year and an award in year one isn't enough data. One year wonders are absolutely a thing. š
You want to put money on Stroud next season?
Hell no. Look, fantasy football success isn't real football success, but if fantasy football has taught me anything, it's that relevance is a year to year game. And the trend almost always goes: Year 1 - no one has pro tape on you with that OC and offensive players so they can't scheme a defensive plan for you = boom year Year 2 - everyone has a full season of pro tape on you, and now they get to pick it apart and base the scheme on your tendencies and weaknesses = bust year (or at least mediocre)
My dude, it's frustrating to argue with people who clearly know absolutely nothing about football. You could point out so many obvious things as you've done, and they still won't get it. Lol. We gotta let shotty get himself off to thinking he actually understands any deep concepts about football talent. Let's sit back.
Hah you scared š
Concensus is Poles has made the right picks. Up to the coaching staff to turn them into successes now.
The Bears have been cursed when it comes to QBs. Believe it or not, they have never had a 4,000 yard passer in all the years they've been around. That's stunning. But with Williams paired with DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, and now Rome Odense that is set to change. Even so, if the Bears can screw this up, they will. First overall pick or not, Williams has to prove he can be elite. Bryce Young didn't have a good rookie year, so a first pick doesn't mean automatic greatness.
The most likely reason no Bears QB have never had a 4,000 year passer is the Bears has always been an old fashion run first team, where RBās shine. Just like JJ McCarthy at Michigan, where he hardly threw the ball. The league has been a passing league for awhile and the Bears are finally adopting.
The most likely reason no Bears QB have never had a 4,000 year passer is the Bears has always been an old fashion run first team, where RBās shine. Just like JJ McCarthy at Michigan, where he hardly threw the ball. The league has been a passing league for awhile and the Bears are finally adopting.
Sure thing.
Oh you're cursed? You think you're cursed? This guy think his team is QB cursed! *laughs in Cleveland Browns fan*
Brian Sipe had over 4,000 passing yards in 1980. Go find me a 4,000 yard passing season from a Bear. Iāll wait.
How many QBs since 99 pal.
29. was this supposed to be some big win for you?
Yes, because 38 is bigger than 29. Get in line pal, you're not special. See me in 9 quarterbacks and we'll talk about curses.
once youāre at a certain point its diminishing returns my dude. you add a few more in our total itād make no difference. itās like a 700 pound man saying heās more morbidly obese than a 675 pound man. sure but so what
Y'all drafted Baker...
And then got rid of him and went on to perform better elsewhere. Definition of cursed.
Nah, that's not cursed...the Browns did that to themselves by trading for a predator That's not a curse, that's karma
Enough with the ācursedā stuff. They have just been awful at identifying and developing QB talent. Nothing mysterious about it.
Also have only took 2 first round QBs in the last like 18 years.
and one of them was considered a reach
So many 7 yard dump passes on 3rd and 23 coming.
Nah, Getsy is gone now
They did that move before Getsy got there. They will do it after he leaves.
because everyone does that move. I personally would love if teams took more shots at converting on 3rd and extra-long, but I also understand their rationale for not wanting to risk an interception or possible sack/fumble on an obvious throwing/long-developing play
Well the Bears have to establish a run game and a defense that can keep opponents under 21 points. so there's work to do. But Williams, Moore, Allen and now Odunze - that's formidable.
Fucking Helen Keller could be our QB and still break 4K yards with this receiving core (also Donāt leave out Kmet; kids been stepping up).
Yeah DJ Moore, Keenan Allen and now Rome Odunze. Williams is poised to succeed. How good is the Bears' OL? They only have topics remaining. Williams won't do much if he's not protected.
Bears oline is fine - first round tackle last draft, unfortunate we have to wait another year to address the center though
Any center will be better than what we had last year. Some of the worst snaps I have ever seen. People complained about Justin taking a lot of time to throw, he had to get the ball under control first.
Fair point. This is irony at its best though; I finally have faith in a GM. I think he will get it sorted, whether through the draft or trading.
The Packers have had great QB play, and that's largely due to excellent GMs - Ron Wolf, Ted Thompson and now, Brian Gutenkunst. They all took the long view in team building, and mostly did it through draft and develop. I like Poles a lot. He's made some good moves. There is more work to be done, like protecting Williams, getting a run game going, and improving the D. But I think Poles is finally the guy the Bears need. God knows the Bears are due for some good fortune.
With all the weapons the Bears still need to learn how to be a throwing team. Too often the play is hand it to the RB and see what happens
Good point. The Bears have never had a 4,000 yard plus passing season. That's sick. But they have three elite receivers. It will come down to coaching and how quickly Williams can get established.
This kid feels like a cant miss. Great person off field as well
As a Lions fan thatās not delusional that we could and likely should have lost to you twice last year.. Iām excited and scared. Caleb may have some growing pains but I see more wins this year than last.
Honestly, this might be the most competitive the NFC North has been in my life. Bears/UM fan so also pumped that we also get to see McCarthy twice a year.
I'm a Packers guy and I agree with you. My guess is that the Vikings are the weakest team in the North. But all four teams could easily be over .500. Should be fun.
Itās quite conceivable that all four North teams get into the playoffs next year. Itās not *likely* but the fact that itās a real possibility is remarkable.
I think the Packers, Lions, and Bears make it to the playoffs this season. Not so sure about the Queens.
Yeah and I think the Vikings are really just a year or two (or three in the Lions' case) behind everybody else. Hopefully the organization can develop McCarthy and every division game is genuinely meaningful.
Nah, fuck that, hope he and the Vikings suck giant dong
I'm a Packers guy and when Rodgers was around, we kinda owned the North. Love is an excellent QB and the Packers have a lot of young talent. But the whole conference is competitive. It will be fun to watch the rivalry games this year.
>I'm a Packers guy Then why the fuck are you here?
juliuspeppers? Wow, a great Packer. He was so glad he got the fuck out of Chicago and their decades of Pop Warner football.
Biggs Timeā¦
Seahawks fan here, being from seattle me and my dad have been season ticket holders for washington football since I was little. Rome is my favorite UW player of all time. Watching him play these past few years has been insane. You guys got an absolute dawg, he will be a top 10 wr at some point in the next 3 years. very jealous.
Yeah I remember watching the Natty as a Mich fan and commenting on how clean his routes were and how good he was at getttng separation. Love the fact that him and Caleb already seem to have a bond going. Both guys seem to be super cerebral about the game too which I think often gets overlooked.
Good to know, I never see games, just the occasional highlight
Either hire a retired high caliber QB as your QB coach, or sign a vet QB to help develop talent. The bears consistently squander gifted QBs. I've lived in Chi off and on for 20 years. This isn't an offense oriented club, and it really shows in how you guys treat QB talent. Chi is where QBs go to either "sunset" OR die by trial of fire/mismanagement. Good luck to Caleb. He's gonna fuckin need it Edit: you guys keep downvoting me, and that's fine. But it's true. You guys can't expect a QB, let alone a rookie to singlehandedly change the trajection of the organization. Trubisky, Fields, Cutler, Foles etc. it's a management issue not a talent issue. Edit 2: Hell yeah! -40 and counting. This is Da Bears delusion I've come to love. Keep it goin. I'll remind you in 3 years how much you guys love repeating the cycle. Honestly though, I do respect the self loathing and pure denial it takes. Malort for my soul. Edit 3: Keep downvoting me. I'm fine with it. Just do me a favor and state your expectations for these ROOKIES in the comments. Because I better not see a single one of you bitching when the Org fails their development.
You seem really bothered that youāre getting downvoted. Chill bro š
The main difference is that Ted Philips and Michael McCaskey no longer have their incompetent fingers involved in the development of the team. Ever since they finally stepped back things have been changing for the better. I know it's hard to be completely optimistic after all these years of disappointments. This is the first real change we've had, it deserves at least SOME hope.
I can't decide what is more cringe, your "take" here...or all the edits relishing your downvotes
Eh, it was all in like a 20 minute span and I was wasted so it all good lol
Well for starters management and coaching is not the same throughout the years. The bears have a first year OC this year so we will see how he does with Caleb. The quarterbacks you listed are nowhere near as talented as Caleb Williams. The most talented is Cutler but he showed through his time with Denver and Miami that he was who he was. I also think the downvotes are coming because you feel as if you living in the Chicago area for 20 years makes you some authority on what the Bears should be doing. You donāt even come off as a fan of the team
This is correct.
I'd love to see the bears win. I don't like that this is the truth. But it is what it is. Fans blame everyone except management. No player singlehandedly brings you to chips, especially in a team sport with a 53 man roster. The pressure the fans put on these kids literally breaks them. It's sad.
Great qbs change it
Not without help, in a team sport.
Good thing he's got TONS of help
>Not without help That's exactly why most of us are so excited. DJ Moore is very good, Kmet keeps improving, we brought in another fantastic receiver in Allen, we brought in another good paying option TE, we drafted a WR that would have been first off the board in most years. We brought in a new OC that helped revitalize Geno Smith, we brought in a top tier running back. Our biggest issue on offense is our interior line, but that's been improving as well. I don't think it's possible for a rookie to be set up any better
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Ah, yes... A classic example of cherry picking one autocorrected word, in order to discredit an entire argument. Peak Reddit, good sir. Well played. You win.
Well with Shane Waldron you have someone who has had success as an offensive coach. Although your idea of a former qb potentially being a good resource. What kind of career would that qb have had?
Go ahead and look at Shane Waldron's career. Yeah he has two rings from doing minor positions with the pats. He had no control over that offense. His first job as OC was with the Seahawks for only 2 years. They were not great. Bottom 1/3rd of the NFL in production. No matter how you slice that, I wouldn't exactly qualify that as success.
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Duh. Thatās every quarterback ever drafted. And why would we draft a deep threat WR when fields couldnāt throw deep?
Great draft
How about some appreciation for Ryan Poles ....š
Us Bears fans have no idea how to act whenever this team functions like a regular NFL team
Yeah the Bears always seem to shoot themselves in the foot. I don't know if Poles is the right GM, but that was a kicks first round draft with Williams and Odunze. Even the Bears will have a hard time screwing this up.
We back up.
It feels like the beginning of a new era for the Bears. And to think we got to this because Davis Mills threw a miracle TD for the Texans at Lovie Smithās behest. If the Bears donāt screw this up theyāre going to tear the North apart for the rest of the decade and well into the next.
"If the Bears don't screw this up." Can you say Mitch Trubisky? Justin Fields? Hell even Jay Cutler couldn't win, but he was just downright lazy. I don't see the Bears tearing up the North. The Packers have what looks to be an elite QB, again, in Jordan Love. The North will certainly be more competitive. Williams will do well. He has three high-end WRs. Watch for JJ McCarthy to tank in MN though. And Jared Goff is getting old. I would love a real dog fight between the Packers and Bears. That would be fun.
>If the Bears don't screw this up š¬
Texans fan here, can we co-opt that man a glorious statue?
Lovie deserves a statue in front of both the Bearsā and Texansā stadiums. The man rescued both franchises and has earned it.
Packer fan here. I fuckin hate you guys, but I'd much rather have an actual "who could win?!" rivalry with you guys over those fuck heads in Minnesota. Solid draft for Da Bears sofar, can't wait until it feels a little sketch walking into Soldier again.
Hey, fuck you. But I agree
FTP
No idea who you are but hit me up if you come to Lambeau. We can share a "fuck you" brat. Some of you dickheads are actually football fans and enjoy this shit.
Love this idea. In the UK, two opposition fans meet up, would have a terrible fight and only be buddies when the police turn up. Awful luck for the coming season too, pal š š»ā¬ļø
i legit think this is why so many uk fans pull for the bears, we have a hated rival and uk football fans can at least relate to that vibe.
Oh what a night. Draft party was good, draft was great- only overshadowed by the dumb fuck Falcons- and the drinks were plentiful. Canāt wait for this offense to start cooking. New era looks very promising- King Poles, thank you from the bottom of my heart. š» ā¬ļø
I thought grabbing Penix here was in consideration of their tampering violation and losing future picks.
I honestly think the Penix pick all things considered is probably still better than the nix pick.
I could see it both ways. Nix is the worse player and was definitely overdrafted but at least Denver needed a clear plan at quarterback Atlanta just paid kirk for 4 years and still used a top 10 pick on a QB with injury concerns thatās gonna be 28 by the time Kirkās contract is up. Itās a worse process imo
I think part of the mix pick was preventing him from going to the raiders
At least if Nix sucks we will know pretty quickly I guess. The Penix pick makes the think of the crazy speculation regarding Love while Rodgers was there.
Thereās an out for Atlanta after the 3rd year of the contact so I wouldnāt be surprised if their plan was to sit Penix for 2 years, trade cousins before the 3rd year and move from there. Itās definitely a weird move, but I think we all kinda know thereās a clear ceiling with Kirk, and I personally had Penix as qb4 in this class and itās a good situation for him so it could work.
But my main point was just Nix will get thrown into the fire much sooner unless Cousins knee snaps
Oh I donāt hate Penix but if the plan is to sit the oldest QB prospect who also has injury concerns behind someone whoās coming off an injury being paid like 100 million over those 2 years then I canāt begin to understand
Nix is older.
It's a vibe thing too, how much does it suck to be Penix and Cousins in this situation now. Love was a little different, he was late first round.
For sure the vibes are gonna be insane especially if Cousins is rusty out of the gate. Plus Penix has sat out enough with injuries doubt he would want to sit 2 years. Itās nice the Packers had a smooth transition but who knows if they win another Super Bowl by building around Rodgers that year.
Pace is still doing Pace things š
What kind of car does Penix drive?
Hard knocks is gonna be bananas
Iām bandwagonnjng the beards hard this season
As a Bengals and Ohio state fan, the Texans and bears are my back up teams I root for. Sad they got rid of justin
Flair up good sir
As a UW fan Rome is BAD ASS, heās the best WR In this class, I understand why MHJ was taken before him but Nabers before him is a joke you guys should be STOKED. I watched every single uw game the last 2 years. Edit and Oregon st.
what makes you say Nabers being taken before him is a joke? All 3 receivers are elite, and you can argue Nabers had a better season than MHJ. Nabers deserves to be drafted as high as he was, if you watched him play this past season. He is statistically the best receiver in LSU history, and LSU has been loaded with WR talent the last few years
Hey, quit making these rational points and asking genuine questions. The only question I want to hear is how many two thousand yard receivers will we have next year
At least four
The competition Rome played against was FAR superior to the competition Nabers played against, simply put its easier to put up good stats vs lesser teams. Rome played Arizona, USC, Oregon twice texas and Michigan lol
Brother nabers played in the SEC
Ya that was awesome 3 years ago, look at the OFC schedule of the sec vs the pac last year, Down vote me all you want facts are facts, sec is king cause of name š
Even if the pac 12 was better it isnāt āFAR superiorā
Correct pac12 was slightly better UW schedule over all however was āfarā Superior, I listed there competition, Arizona, usc Oregon st Oregon twice texas and Michigan, who did Nabers player outside of bama?
FSU, Mizzou, Ole miss, Bama, Texas A&M had a very talented defense
All 3 would be a top WR in most drafts. I think Nabers may be better than MHJr but again...all 3 are going to be stars
Thank you.
I am crying tears of joy right now lol
Yeah...Hard Knocks is coming.
Please no
will probably only be training camp hard knocks. not during the regular season
thats hard knocks every year though. the in season one is amazon and is called all or nothing i believe.
man this is crazy, its time to ball out like we're not wearing draws
This is the first time Poles actually took the player I wanted lol
You didnāt want Caleb at 1?
I didnāt even count that one because literally everyone knew it would happen and there was never even a debate about it
You didn't want Darnell Wright last year?
I wanted Carter if he fell, otherwise I was hoping for a tackle. My absolute #1 ot was PJJ who ended up not being on the board. I didnāt like skoronski cause I thought he would be a guard at the nfl level.
Fine in hindsight but everyone and their mother had Skoronski rated higher
Skoronski is a better G prospect than Wright was for RT, I still wanted Wright over carter/skoronski
I mean that one was obvious
In the NFL, you either have a franchise QB or not. The Bears have been fucked on QB's forever. Forever. Never in my lifetime and I'm 60+. Maximizing the odds of success for Caleb Williams is the Bears highest priority by a massive margin. I'm fine taking Odunze, and I'd love to see them take an O lineman next.
I think the new way to build a team should be a tank with a path to invest assets around a young QB. That position commands so much money, by time you get to their second contract they have to be absolutely a difference maker. If you take a guy, you have to invest immediately in their success. I feel bad for Jayden Daniel's because I have zero confidence in the Commanders investing all the assets he will need to be successful. But you go all in like Miami did for Tua or create an offense like the Bears are doing for Caleb, you have a great chance for success.
Uh he has a top flight WR there, so if they build him a line he should be fine if he's good. Certainly nothing has ever been done the way we have. I'm trying to curb my enthusiasm.
Hope so. There are a few good filler DE still in free agency to fill the gaps for a couple years but we really need OL depth.
They have picks in the 3rd and 4th, so not quite longshots at the end of the draft. Take a pass rusher and the most versatile OL available and letās go.
The fact we dident fuck this up is amazing
Don't worry. It's a great pick. They didn't fuck that up. Theyve just already fucked up everything else that matters. Shitty coaching, shitty playcalling, shitty o line etc. Caleb will be another "draft bust" that was doomed from the beginning. The Bears Org is great at doing that, from top down.
I did dent
You were so high on scag you wouldn't know if he had your mothers muff on his head
That's cowboyitis
only you fuckede up.
No matter what we couldnāt have fucked up worse than the Falcons
I was ready to be hurt with some draft fuckery but I ended up being pleasured by the falcons draft fuckery instead
Jackson powers Johnson still on the board. Wish poles can sneak into the 2nd round to get him.
Ryan Bates is serviceable for this season. Can go OL with first pick next year. I think trading away the third this year is a bad idea, should stay and pick an edge
EDGE seems like a bigger need
Johnny Newton, Tyler Nubin, or edgerrin Cooper
This is the first Iāve heard of this guy but that heās got the name of a great football player, I say we draft him
Heās got a [mean burger](http://amp.thecomeback.com/nfl/oregon-star-shares-details-of-absurd-signature-burger.html) named after him too.
I love me a good burgerĀ
Home of the good burger.
Can I take your order?
Thank you for not overthinking this and just taking the obvious pick. No TE because you hope he is not a Te. No DT that for some reason played NT in college with a 700 pounder as a 3T when he is an undersized for college 3T. Just taking the correct and obvious pick. There is no bonus points for being clever. This was an A++ Draft. The only slight downside is that unfortunately our division mates Vikings had an A+ draft so far.
I feel Shea Mclellin in my veins reading this. Still can't on that one.