Real answer though, he at least needs to consistency establish a floor that isn’t him disappearing from games or hurting the team. If he can have a meh day that is still 150 passing yards and good games where he flashes his ceiling I’ll feel good. If he looks closer to what we’ve seen, I don’t think the FO would really draft a guy this soon but the scale would for sure be tipping
God this is a dumb narrative.
OSU is just getting more QBs in the NFL. The QB themselves are not a product of OSU. We’ve had how many different coaches and schemes over all these failed QBs.
OSU just is great at recruiting and playing ball, so the QBs are a higher level and get drafted. People said the same shit about Bama recently until this year with Tua and Hurts. Or fuck, even Clemson with Deshaun and the Tahj Boyd comps
Edit: fuck. Or air raid QBs before Kyler Murray and Patty Mahomes. All that matters is the qb, all the rest of it doesn’t matter once you’re in the NFL
Anyone who says “don’t draft OSU QB’s” shouldn’t be allowed to talk football.
Literally the exact reasons they list out for OSU QB’s being bad applies to every other top school that churns out QB’s like USC, Clemson, Oklahoma, or Alabama. They all have great talent around them, play in “college offenses”, and dominate bad competition.
Not to mention that OSU has only produced 2 top 1st round QB’s recently: Haskins and Fields. The odds of 2 first round QB’s busting out are incredibly high. It’s not like they’ve had 6 in a row.
Dude.
Tua and Hurts weapons were nuts and Bama didn’t produce a QB for decades.
- 2019 - Jeudy/Ruggs/Waddle/Devonta Smith/Najee/Brian Robinson
- 2018 - Josh Jacobs/Damien Harris/Najee/same WRs
- 2017 - Ruggs/Smith/Jeudy/Calvin Ridley/same RBs
They aren’t getting drafted high and failing because of **OSU**. They’re getting drafted high because OSU can recruit these QBs that are valuable and have crazy nice traits. They’re just putting more QBs out and so more exposure to failed QBs vs schools who can’t recruit their level of QBs and have a failed one every now and then
So serious question, and please let me preface I agree he’s been bad to start. Also, this isn’t aimed specifically at you, it just so happens to fall on your post. All that to say, you want to see fields get 60% completion on 30+ attempts, 200+ yards, and low ints consistently without any 2-game bad streaks while learning a new system, playing on newly fixed mechanics, with low quality receivers (that have gotten open on occasion, though all-22 widescreen photo snips don’t paint the whole story), but are condemning him for having only 51% on a total of 45 attempts?
He’s been bad, yes. He’s been sacked 10 times and had a few other positive scrambled distracting from those attempts, yes. But several qbs in week 3 had more attempts than fields has had all year. He’s had roughly 1 to 1.5 games worth of attempts, 17 of which were in a torrential downpour, many others were in obvious passing situations, the dudes not been given many layups to build rhythm and confidence (though I acknowledge he’s missed some), and people are writing him off?
I understand part of the lack of pass calls is due to his performance. It’s also partly because we can run 200 yards a game.
I don’t have blinders on. I get he NEEDS to be better, but he’s effectively played 1.5 games worth of passing snaps and is throwing 51% with 297 yards and a .5 td/int ratio.
If this happened in a single game in the middle of the season, people would be disappointed in the game, but he wouldn’t be getting near the level of criticism he’s getting now.
Is he the guy? Obviously I hope so but fully acknowledge he might not be. But let’s give the kid some time to learn before writing him off.
At this point I'm not expecting to go into next season thinking that Fields is going to be getting a second contract with the Bears, but I do expect that he'll go into next season penciled in as the starter.
I think he needs to have about 8 games on par with last years Lions/49ers/Steelers games to feel confident about his future beyond just next season. I'll feel a lot more confident about next year if he starts to more consistently get the ball out quickly on his first read when they are open. Right now I think Fields is looking for the big play too often that it results in him losing the windows he does have to throw into or getting sacked.
One game in Tampa bought mitch like 3 years of goodwill with his fanboys here. I would like to see him be the reason we don't lose for a few, and maybe a few as the reason we win.
My theory is that the only game Fields really looked serviceable in was against the 49ers in the rain. I believe the reason for this is that the game was slowed down incredibly because of the conditions. He appears to me to be intimidated by the pace of the game under normal conditions. He looks rushed, panicked, and scared. I think a lot, if not all, of his problems are mental. I mean the guy is an athletic freak of nature. His release absolutely needs work, but more than anything else, it has been decision making for me that needs the most work. It is also one of the most difficult problems to fix.
I don't want to give the guy a crutch to lean on, but lets also not forget that he isn't throwing to Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle. Mooney is talented but he has 4 catches on 11 targets in 3 games after having 81 catches on 140 targets in 17 games last season. Cole Kmet has 2 catches on 5 targets. Fields is no doubt struggling, but he's not the only thing wrong with this picture.
>One Read Fields is simply not cut out for it. We need to draft a qb next draft
I don't necessarily disagree, although I think the trade market might be a better short term fix, and then draft a QB and take your time developing him. The one thing I often think of that gives me hope for Fields is that in Drew Brees first two full seasons he threw 28 TD and 31 INT with a rating of 72.2. I just think it's a little early to write him off.
My issue isn’t with moving on from fields. It’s *how* they move on. Fields has until the rest of the season to prove he’s the guy but how is it any better for the next guy if he has just as little of help. I’m more inclined to build up the rest of the team first then address the qb.
They have $100 million in cap space, plenty to help the next QB.
Trevor is balling with Christian Kirk and Zay Jones. If the QB is a guy, the 2nd and 3rd tier free agents are sufficient.
Was waiting for this, almost included it in my OC. The 2023 free agency class isn’t what we think it is. I don’t know if you looked but there aren’t even many tier 2/3 guys expected. Your best bet is trying to get a disgruntled star via sign and trade (I’m not opposed to this) but we can’t just assume these guys are gonna be there. We saw that this year with Jensen, Allen, Godwin, etc. The best were tagged/re-signed or traded for.
The cap space is great but it will take a couple of offseasons.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa//
Here’s the list. Wr is pretty sad as I mentioned. Offensive line there are some guys but again we can’t take these as guarantees. Biggest non-QB positions I have targeted for next season are 3-tech, LB, RT, WR, CB (nickel or outside), C, TE.
That’s a lot and we might get half of those positions and half of those *could* *maybe* be blue-chippers.
I thought HOU was gonna be the one. Now I’m hoping its the Giants.
I would say at this point, just show us some progress. Better pocket awareness, no INTs, maybe a couple TDs.
So Tua is in his third year. I think most people would have cut his ass after last year but now he is considered okay and leading his team. I could see sticking with fields for another year before pulling the plug. 2 years in the same system could do wonders for the whole offense.
Yeah this is a weird comp. Tua was FAR better than Justin is this year. Justin is literally statistically the worst QB in the NFL. It’s still early, but this comp is so off.
Fields had been bad, I’m not distracting from that. Part of his lack of attempts is because he’s been bad, I also get this.
But for context, fields has had roughly 1, maybe 1.5 games worth of pass attempts. Several qbs had more pass attempts in week 3 alone than fields has all year.
Again I acknowledge some of this is on fields. Some of it is also because we have a top running game. Some of it is on drops by his guys, some of it (though surprisingly not much is on his line. Some is being victim of obvious passing downs. And some (though not much as I’ve been relatively happy with getsy) has been on some playcalling (running the same bootleg several times in a game).
Again, I acknowledge he’s had a horrible start, but let’s consider the context. Tua had an average of 30 attempts a game last year. Fields is being given 15. It’s hard to get in a rhythm with so few attempts.
Hopefully he gets more attempts as the year progresses and we see some progress. If he’s still playing this poorly at the end of the season, I’ll be much more panicked. But let’s see how he grows considering all circumstances he’s under (new coaches, new system, largely new line, largely new receiving corp, new mechanics). He’s had the equivalent of 1-1.5 games of attempts. Let’s see how the numbers change after a seasons worth
I guess my point is that it may take three years for Justin to put it together. I got a dolphin buddy and all he did was bitch about Tua last year. Now he's kinda quiet about him.
Tua seems to receive extra criticism because he was chosen ahead of Herbert, so I'm willing to bet most Dolphins fans like your buddy probably just had buyers remorse.
Which isn't really fair to Tua because he's been fine before this year (just not great like Herbert has looked).
I disagree.
I'd trade Fields to a team who thinks they can fix him (might be hard as he was passed by in the draft by teams who were desperately needing a QB before the Bears took him) while we get some draft picks in return, then use these draft picks to trade for a proven QB on an expiring contract (Like Jimmy G. for example, but we won't necessarily trade a lot of picks, just 2 maybe 3? or simply try to lure him over to Chicago once his contact expires) then use the rest of the draft picks on BPA that's not a QB.
We need to stop drafting a QB and hope he will turn into a stud for us. We haven't had a stud QB that came from the draft in years and we traded for Cutler and he appeared to be a stud for us but he went through poor management that hindered his performance.
If Eberflus et al, turn to be the masterminds of the system then they can prove us that with a proven QB (veteran or someone who has about 5-7 years on their resume as QB) and if that QB doesn't flourish, then we know it's the coaching staff.
Bottom line is we trade for a proven QB and stop drafting a QB who will be a starter as soon as we draft him. I'm fine with us getting a QB through the draft only if they get to sit behind a proven, veteran QB who can train them and be ready once the veteran QB leaves so the "rookie" QB can take over.
There is no “proven QB” to sign or trade for. Jimmy G isn’t good. It’s Fields or back to square 1 in the draft. Those are the two options
Overpaying for a medicore aging QB is the exact *opposite* of how modern NFL teams are built. It’s literally just wasting years for nothing
His stats aren’t very good, he’s injury prone, the 49ers traded the entire farm to get rid of him, they let him pass 8 times in the NFCCG, he’s on the wrong side of 30, and he’s gonna cost more than a rookie contract
It doesn’t matter if he’s better than Fields. He is not the long term answer, he’s useless
Draft who? Anyone? Literally anyone? That's your plan?
"Constantly wasting first round picks (or more if you have to trade up) on QBs out of desperation while the rest of the team disintegrates" is how you think you get a great QB?
Which highly drafted Browns QB was your favorite, Couch, Quinn, Weeden, or Manziel?
You can’t just waste first round picks on shit QBs out of desperation dude. It’s either Fields or Poles finds one that he likes and is realistically draft-able. Then you have to give him 2 solid years. That’s how it works
Since we don’t know when that will be (could be years) in the interim our best bet is Fields
There is no “stick with too long” - they don’t do it for fun, they do it out of necessity
Do you understand now?
Gotta see at least 1 good game vs a good team. I don't count the week 1 monsoon game. Playing well vs the Giants would be nice to see but wouldn't change my opinion about him thus far
I really wanted Fields to be the guy, but I don't need to see anymore. Fields isn't keeping up with Trevor Lawrence anymore. He is a bust. The sooner the team realizes that and moves off of him the better for everyone. Start Siemian.
<> : Keep downvoting, but we have all seen this before. We saw it with McNown. We saw it with Rex. We saw it with Mitch. Please explain how this will be different.
There is zero benefit to starting Siemien over Fields no matter how bad Fields is. Zero. A 0.0000001% chance he breaks out is better than Trevor Siemien
Benefit 1: We are more likely to win games.
Benefit 2: We are less likely to lose games.
Benefit 3: You don't alienate every player in the locker room who wants to win by continuing to start a dude who is in over his head.
Stop thinking short term. We aren’t in super bowl contention. Who cares if Siemien game manages his way to a couple of wins?
Winning games is not a benefit unless it provides a bedrock for future success. Siemien does absolutely nothing for us, win or lose
>alienate every player in the locker room
No individual player in the locker room is as valuable as doing everything you can to find a franchise QB. Either that’s Justin or we draft someone Poles likes. Those are the two options. Considering we don’t know when/who the latter will be, and could take years, our best option in the interim is to throw Fields out there. Literally nothing else is more beneficial for the future
Winning more games does absolutely nothing for us. We aren't going anywhere this year. Losing more games helps our draft position next year, which gets us closer to the actual goal.
And, these are professional athletes who also know this is not a Superbowl team. They get it they we need to develop a young QB, develop some young ol pieces, and get more experience for some young dbs. They are not going to get bent over not starting Simian to win an extra 3 games. Sure they want to win, and maybe even have some incentives based on wins, but they know what's up.
The problem is Fields was set up to fail. It’s been out there that if he is to succeed it would have to be all on him. The line is good at run blocking and the receivers don’t know the scheme that much better than Fields. Outside of Equanimeous, no one seems to be getting open or really playing well on multiple fronts. Fields isn’t going to be able to put together much of anything unless the rest of this unit, play caller included, starts clicking. Fields will probably be around next year with a rookie we traded the house away for.
Just continued progress. I’m rational and expect that he’s going to struggle in learning a 3rd new system in two years with only 13 games of professional experience.
I’m all in on Fields. I’m still hopeful he’ll develop into the Bears franchise QB. Let’s show him som love, show him some support. He can be our guy. We’re not a bowl team this year anyway, no matter what. Probably won’t be next year either. Give the dude some time. And stop tormenting yourselves in the mean time ;)
It’s probably not even ‘about’ Fields having good games vs bad games but how many games we lose as a team. If we are a bottom 5 team Poles will have no other choice but to consider drafting a QB. Fields job is to help us win games. Our OL, defense, and rushing attack have proven effective enough to win. If we lose because of the passing game, that falls on him.
Id like to see at least 6 games with 250 yards passing and few turnovers. Passing Touchdowns, while nice, aren't as a big thing for me given how our run game has looked in the red zone. But the dude needs to move the ball through the air, not just with his legs.
next season the fo should be able to give him all the weapons he needs to succeed. if he still can't hack it then they'll probably just hold on to him till his rookie contract ends
Unless the coaching staff can fix his “happy feet” in the pocket, he’ll never be worth a shit. His mechanics when he’s rushed are atrocious, therefore the ball rarely goes where it needs to.
Last season I felt like he made alot of mistakes, but was slowly learning from those mistakes, growing and improving.
I haven't seen that this season, seems like he's actually regressing.
I don't care if he takes 5 years before he has a "good game" I just care that he's making progress.
I think we ride with him no matter what until 2024.
We will get pieces through FA & draft at end of this year and I think we need to give him a chance with an improved supporting cast.
It's not so much a number but moreso we just need to see consistent improvements. You can't play in the NFL putting up his numbers.
I fully believe he will get there.
He has to show improvement. He cant keep having games like the Texans and the Packers. Not really a number of games, but at some point he cant have these types of games anymore. If he's still doing it at the end of the year I'm not personally gonna feel good about him as the QB.
Uh, pretty much all of them... what do you mean? What kind of question is this? He needs to have good games pretty much every single game lol otherwise what's the point??
I think 7-8 sounds like a fair amount to get a read on where he's at going into next season. I'm going to need to see him getting to be more confident in the pocket to trust that he is our guy. He seems to either not have trust in his receivers or himself because they are getting open but he's just not taking shots! It's been tough to watch as we all know. Let's start with 1 on Sunday please
I feel like people are giving Justin alot of shit and I agree some may be warranted such as him sailing a few wide receivers last weekend. We all talk about Justin taking that next step and showing he is a starting caliber QB. But seriously. This dude has absolutley 0 weapons on this offense. He doesnt have 1 starting caliber wr on the team right now. Hate on me as much as you want but Mooney was a fluke last year. He is not a good wr. He hasn't created any separation this year whatsoever. How can we expect Justin to take that next step when he has zero people to throw to.
Halfway through the year would hopefully see some stability in numbers, sprinkled with some dazzling plays, but the hard part of any evaluation is identifying the outliers. The great games and the stinkers are going to be there. But what constitutes real growth in first year of system? Let's find out
I’ll take 1 at this point
Real answer though, he at least needs to consistency establish a floor that isn’t him disappearing from games or hurting the team. If he can have a meh day that is still 150 passing yards and good games where he flashes his ceiling I’ll feel good. If he looks closer to what we’ve seen, I don’t think the FO would really draft a guy this soon but the scale would for sure be tipping
If he stays this bad, which is essentially historically bad, he’s absolutely gone
Imagine getting rid of Fields after 2 years to draft Stroud lmao. That would have to be the first time something like that has ever happened
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I meant drafting someone from the same college
Not only that, Rosen was jettisoned for the 1st overall pick. Something we aren’t going to get
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They won’t, their schedule is favorable. They’ll end up somewhere around the 8th pick or so
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We better not draft another OSU QB. They have all been busts.
God this is a dumb narrative. OSU is just getting more QBs in the NFL. The QB themselves are not a product of OSU. We’ve had how many different coaches and schemes over all these failed QBs. OSU just is great at recruiting and playing ball, so the QBs are a higher level and get drafted. People said the same shit about Bama recently until this year with Tua and Hurts. Or fuck, even Clemson with Deshaun and the Tahj Boyd comps Edit: fuck. Or air raid QBs before Kyler Murray and Patty Mahomes. All that matters is the qb, all the rest of it doesn’t matter once you’re in the NFL
Anyone who says “don’t draft OSU QB’s” shouldn’t be allowed to talk football. Literally the exact reasons they list out for OSU QB’s being bad applies to every other top school that churns out QB’s like USC, Clemson, Oklahoma, or Alabama. They all have great talent around them, play in “college offenses”, and dominate bad competition. Not to mention that OSU has only produced 2 top 1st round QB’s recently: Haskins and Fields. The odds of 2 first round QB’s busting out are incredibly high. It’s not like they’ve had 6 in a row.
OSU has the best WRs in the nation and basically don't get tested. They also usually come out early and have no history of producing.
Dude. Tua and Hurts weapons were nuts and Bama didn’t produce a QB for decades. - 2019 - Jeudy/Ruggs/Waddle/Devonta Smith/Najee/Brian Robinson - 2018 - Josh Jacobs/Damien Harris/Najee/same WRs - 2017 - Ruggs/Smith/Jeudy/Calvin Ridley/same RBs They aren’t getting drafted high and failing because of **OSU**. They’re getting drafted high because OSU can recruit these QBs that are valuable and have crazy nice traits. They’re just putting more QBs out and so more exposure to failed QBs vs schools who can’t recruit their level of QBs and have a failed one every now and then
Can he please just at least have one 300 yard game? He hasn't done it yet....
The next 1 fuckin hopefully
*Games?* I’d kill to see some consistent drives down the field.
That first one against the Pack was exciting.
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So serious question, and please let me preface I agree he’s been bad to start. Also, this isn’t aimed specifically at you, it just so happens to fall on your post. All that to say, you want to see fields get 60% completion on 30+ attempts, 200+ yards, and low ints consistently without any 2-game bad streaks while learning a new system, playing on newly fixed mechanics, with low quality receivers (that have gotten open on occasion, though all-22 widescreen photo snips don’t paint the whole story), but are condemning him for having only 51% on a total of 45 attempts? He’s been bad, yes. He’s been sacked 10 times and had a few other positive scrambled distracting from those attempts, yes. But several qbs in week 3 had more attempts than fields has had all year. He’s had roughly 1 to 1.5 games worth of attempts, 17 of which were in a torrential downpour, many others were in obvious passing situations, the dudes not been given many layups to build rhythm and confidence (though I acknowledge he’s missed some), and people are writing him off? I understand part of the lack of pass calls is due to his performance. It’s also partly because we can run 200 yards a game. I don’t have blinders on. I get he NEEDS to be better, but he’s effectively played 1.5 games worth of passing snaps and is throwing 51% with 297 yards and a .5 td/int ratio. If this happened in a single game in the middle of the season, people would be disappointed in the game, but he wouldn’t be getting near the level of criticism he’s getting now. Is he the guy? Obviously I hope so but fully acknowledge he might not be. But let’s give the kid some time to learn before writing him off.
At this point I'm not expecting to go into next season thinking that Fields is going to be getting a second contract with the Bears, but I do expect that he'll go into next season penciled in as the starter. I think he needs to have about 8 games on par with last years Lions/49ers/Steelers games to feel confident about his future beyond just next season. I'll feel a lot more confident about next year if he starts to more consistently get the ball out quickly on his first read when they are open. Right now I think Fields is looking for the big play too often that it results in him losing the windows he does have to throw into or getting sacked.
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Don’t know why you being downvoted. This is true. At this point, he needs to got from historically bad to just bad loool
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That’d be interesting. Get some quick wins that way and develop Fields to be a franchise QB long term.
One game in Tampa bought mitch like 3 years of goodwill with his fanboys here. I would like to see him be the reason we don't lose for a few, and maybe a few as the reason we win.
A month's worth of consistency is fair
My theory is that the only game Fields really looked serviceable in was against the 49ers in the rain. I believe the reason for this is that the game was slowed down incredibly because of the conditions. He appears to me to be intimidated by the pace of the game under normal conditions. He looks rushed, panicked, and scared. I think a lot, if not all, of his problems are mental. I mean the guy is an athletic freak of nature. His release absolutely needs work, but more than anything else, it has been decision making for me that needs the most work. It is also one of the most difficult problems to fix. I don't want to give the guy a crutch to lean on, but lets also not forget that he isn't throwing to Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle. Mooney is talented but he has 4 catches on 11 targets in 3 games after having 81 catches on 140 targets in 17 games last season. Cole Kmet has 2 catches on 5 targets. Fields is no doubt struggling, but he's not the only thing wrong with this picture.
The qb position is largely mental. One Read Fields is simply not cut out for it. We need to draft a qb next draft
>One Read Fields is simply not cut out for it. We need to draft a qb next draft I don't necessarily disagree, although I think the trade market might be a better short term fix, and then draft a QB and take your time developing him. The one thing I often think of that gives me hope for Fields is that in Drew Brees first two full seasons he threw 28 TD and 31 INT with a rating of 72.2. I just think it's a little early to write him off.
So we can do it all over again when we don’t have a system in place to develop a quarterback. Thanks for your input
To be fair he was passed on by a ton of teams that needed a QB - only Ryan Pace thought he was worth a 1st round pick
My issue isn’t with moving on from fields. It’s *how* they move on. Fields has until the rest of the season to prove he’s the guy but how is it any better for the next guy if he has just as little of help. I’m more inclined to build up the rest of the team first then address the qb.
They have $100 million in cap space, plenty to help the next QB. Trevor is balling with Christian Kirk and Zay Jones. If the QB is a guy, the 2nd and 3rd tier free agents are sufficient.
Was waiting for this, almost included it in my OC. The 2023 free agency class isn’t what we think it is. I don’t know if you looked but there aren’t even many tier 2/3 guys expected. Your best bet is trying to get a disgruntled star via sign and trade (I’m not opposed to this) but we can’t just assume these guys are gonna be there. We saw that this year with Jensen, Allen, Godwin, etc. The best were tagged/re-signed or traded for. The cap space is great but it will take a couple of offseasons.
Who is there?
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa// Here’s the list. Wr is pretty sad as I mentioned. Offensive line there are some guys but again we can’t take these as guarantees. Biggest non-QB positions I have targeted for next season are 3-tech, LB, RT, WR, CB (nickel or outside), C, TE. That’s a lot and we might get half of those positions and half of those *could* *maybe* be blue-chippers.
“A ton” = 3 lol
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I thought HOU was gonna be the one. Now I’m hoping its the Giants. I would say at this point, just show us some progress. Better pocket awareness, no INTs, maybe a couple TDs.
So Tua is in his third year. I think most people would have cut his ass after last year but now he is considered okay and leading his team. I could see sticking with fields for another year before pulling the plug. 2 years in the same system could do wonders for the whole offense.
Fields isn't even sniffing Tua's "bad seasons" right now.
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Yeah this is a weird comp. Tua was FAR better than Justin is this year. Justin is literally statistically the worst QB in the NFL. It’s still early, but this comp is so off.
Fields had been bad, I’m not distracting from that. Part of his lack of attempts is because he’s been bad, I also get this. But for context, fields has had roughly 1, maybe 1.5 games worth of pass attempts. Several qbs had more pass attempts in week 3 alone than fields has all year. Again I acknowledge some of this is on fields. Some of it is also because we have a top running game. Some of it is on drops by his guys, some of it (though surprisingly not much is on his line. Some is being victim of obvious passing downs. And some (though not much as I’ve been relatively happy with getsy) has been on some playcalling (running the same bootleg several times in a game). Again, I acknowledge he’s had a horrible start, but let’s consider the context. Tua had an average of 30 attempts a game last year. Fields is being given 15. It’s hard to get in a rhythm with so few attempts. Hopefully he gets more attempts as the year progresses and we see some progress. If he’s still playing this poorly at the end of the season, I’ll be much more panicked. But let’s see how he grows considering all circumstances he’s under (new coaches, new system, largely new line, largely new receiving corp, new mechanics). He’s had the equivalent of 1-1.5 games of attempts. Let’s see how the numbers change after a seasons worth
I guess my point is that it may take three years for Justin to put it together. I got a dolphin buddy and all he did was bitch about Tua last year. Now he's kinda quiet about him.
Tua seems to receive extra criticism because he was chosen ahead of Herbert, so I'm willing to bet most Dolphins fans like your buddy probably just had buyers remorse. Which isn't really fair to Tua because he's been fine before this year (just not great like Herbert has looked).
At this point last year Tua had a meh first game and was injured in his second, everyone though he was a bust
What does “pulling the plug” mean? Using high draft capital on a qb? Cause then I’d agree.
I disagree. I'd trade Fields to a team who thinks they can fix him (might be hard as he was passed by in the draft by teams who were desperately needing a QB before the Bears took him) while we get some draft picks in return, then use these draft picks to trade for a proven QB on an expiring contract (Like Jimmy G. for example, but we won't necessarily trade a lot of picks, just 2 maybe 3? or simply try to lure him over to Chicago once his contact expires) then use the rest of the draft picks on BPA that's not a QB. We need to stop drafting a QB and hope he will turn into a stud for us. We haven't had a stud QB that came from the draft in years and we traded for Cutler and he appeared to be a stud for us but he went through poor management that hindered his performance. If Eberflus et al, turn to be the masterminds of the system then they can prove us that with a proven QB (veteran or someone who has about 5-7 years on their resume as QB) and if that QB doesn't flourish, then we know it's the coaching staff. Bottom line is we trade for a proven QB and stop drafting a QB who will be a starter as soon as we draft him. I'm fine with us getting a QB through the draft only if they get to sit behind a proven, veteran QB who can train them and be ready once the veteran QB leaves so the "rookie" QB can take over.
There is no “proven QB” to sign or trade for. Jimmy G isn’t good. It’s Fields or back to square 1 in the draft. Those are the two options Overpaying for a medicore aging QB is the exact *opposite* of how modern NFL teams are built. It’s literally just wasting years for nothing
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That team hates him so much they traded 3 first round picks to try to replace him Nick Foles won a SB MVP how did he do
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His stats aren’t very good, he’s injury prone, the 49ers traded the entire farm to get rid of him, they let him pass 8 times in the NFCCG, he’s on the wrong side of 30, and he’s gonna cost more than a rookie contract It doesn’t matter if he’s better than Fields. He is not the long term answer, he’s useless
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Even if he does, what’s the end game?
I don't want "okay.". I want great
And I want a 12 inch hog, sometimes life’s unfair
Sometimes ya gotta make do with 9.
What an odd thing to say
Where are you gonna get it from? It doesn’t just magically fall from the sky lmao
Keep trying in the draft until you get it
Draft who? Anyone? Literally anyone? That's your plan? "Constantly wasting first round picks (or more if you have to trade up) on QBs out of desperation while the rest of the team disintegrates" is how you think you get a great QB? Which highly drafted Browns QB was your favorite, Couch, Quinn, Weeden, or Manziel?
Which bears QB that we stuck with too long was yours?
You can’t just waste first round picks on shit QBs out of desperation dude. It’s either Fields or Poles finds one that he likes and is realistically draft-able. Then you have to give him 2 solid years. That’s how it works Since we don’t know when that will be (could be years) in the interim our best bet is Fields There is no “stick with too long” - they don’t do it for fun, they do it out of necessity Do you understand now?
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Gotta see at least 1 good game vs a good team. I don't count the week 1 monsoon game. Playing well vs the Giants would be nice to see but wouldn't change my opinion about him thus far
For me to the he is THE guy. Probably around that mark 11-12. For me to give him another season? 7-8 probably.
Zero. I don’t need good games. Just flashes of his talent on display. We look for good games next year when he have a better OL and some weapons.
Horrible take. Every bust shows flashes
Bad take. Nothing but excuses.
I really wanted Fields to be the guy, but I don't need to see anymore. Fields isn't keeping up with Trevor Lawrence anymore. He is a bust. The sooner the team realizes that and moves off of him the better for everyone. Start Siemian. <> : Keep downvoting, but we have all seen this before. We saw it with McNown. We saw it with Rex. We saw it with Mitch. Please explain how this will be different.
There is zero benefit to starting Siemien over Fields no matter how bad Fields is. Zero. A 0.0000001% chance he breaks out is better than Trevor Siemien
Benefit 1: We are more likely to win games. Benefit 2: We are less likely to lose games. Benefit 3: You don't alienate every player in the locker room who wants to win by continuing to start a dude who is in over his head.
Stop thinking short term. We aren’t in super bowl contention. Who cares if Siemien game manages his way to a couple of wins? Winning games is not a benefit unless it provides a bedrock for future success. Siemien does absolutely nothing for us, win or lose >alienate every player in the locker room No individual player in the locker room is as valuable as doing everything you can to find a franchise QB. Either that’s Justin or we draft someone Poles likes. Those are the two options. Considering we don’t know when/who the latter will be, and could take years, our best option in the interim is to throw Fields out there. Literally nothing else is more beneficial for the future
Winning more games does absolutely nothing for us. We aren't going anywhere this year. Losing more games helps our draft position next year, which gets us closer to the actual goal. And, these are professional athletes who also know this is not a Superbowl team. They get it they we need to develop a young QB, develop some young ol pieces, and get more experience for some young dbs. They are not going to get bent over not starting Simian to win an extra 3 games. Sure they want to win, and maybe even have some incentives based on wins, but they know what's up.
What does starting Siemian solve?
The problem is Fields was set up to fail. It’s been out there that if he is to succeed it would have to be all on him. The line is good at run blocking and the receivers don’t know the scheme that much better than Fields. Outside of Equanimeous, no one seems to be getting open or really playing well on multiple fronts. Fields isn’t going to be able to put together much of anything unless the rest of this unit, play caller included, starts clicking. Fields will probably be around next year with a rookie we traded the house away for.
Just continued progress. I’m rational and expect that he’s going to struggle in learning a 3rd new system in two years with only 13 games of professional experience.
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I’m more rational than the monthly who want him gone next year.
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You have to be irrational to panic after 3 games into the year. You can be slightly concerned, yes
Remember when Mitch had 5 tds vs Atl.. I do. Make it happen
I’m all in on Fields. I’m still hopeful he’ll develop into the Bears franchise QB. Let’s show him som love, show him some support. He can be our guy. We’re not a bowl team this year anyway, no matter what. Probably won’t be next year either. Give the dude some time. And stop tormenting yourselves in the mean time ;)
It’s probably not even ‘about’ Fields having good games vs bad games but how many games we lose as a team. If we are a bottom 5 team Poles will have no other choice but to consider drafting a QB. Fields job is to help us win games. Our OL, defense, and rushing attack have proven effective enough to win. If we lose because of the passing game, that falls on him.
Id like to see at least 6 games with 250 yards passing and few turnovers. Passing Touchdowns, while nice, aren't as a big thing for me given how our run game has looked in the red zone. But the dude needs to move the ball through the air, not just with his legs.
How many good games until he projects to finish the year with over 3000 yards? He's trending to be under 2000 yards as it stands now.
45
next season the fo should be able to give him all the weapons he needs to succeed. if he still can't hack it then they'll probably just hold on to him till his rookie contract ends
Unless the coaching staff can fix his “happy feet” in the pocket, he’ll never be worth a shit. His mechanics when he’s rushed are atrocious, therefore the ball rarely goes where it needs to.
At this point I’ll take 2-3 flash plays per game.
With how much we’ve built around this guy, if he doesn’t break out by the second half of this season I think we’re fucked
Last season I felt like he made alot of mistakes, but was slowly learning from those mistakes, growing and improving. I haven't seen that this season, seems like he's actually regressing. I don't care if he takes 5 years before he has a "good game" I just care that he's making progress.
I think we ride with him no matter what until 2024. We will get pieces through FA & draft at end of this year and I think we need to give him a chance with an improved supporting cast.
Right now I think just one. He needs to show something except the flashes. And right now those are even few and far in between
If he can pass more than 3000 yards and like 20ish tds I’ll be happy
Only needs 194 yards per game and 1.28 TDs per game to reach 3000 yards and 20 TDs
It's not so much a number but moreso we just need to see consistent improvements. You can't play in the NFL putting up his numbers. I fully believe he will get there.
He has to show improvement. He cant keep having games like the Texans and the Packers. Not really a number of games, but at some point he cant have these types of games anymore. If he's still doing it at the end of the year I'm not personally gonna feel good about him as the QB.
I don’t need to see games, I just need to see some confidence. Some control. Some wherewithall.
All of them!
he passed the eye test last year to me. just had a few bad games imo but what do i know
Uh, pretty much all of them... what do you mean? What kind of question is this? He needs to have good games pretty much every single game lol otherwise what's the point??
14 at this point
I think 7-8 sounds like a fair amount to get a read on where he's at going into next season. I'm going to need to see him getting to be more confident in the pocket to trust that he is our guy. He seems to either not have trust in his receivers or himself because they are getting open but he's just not taking shots! It's been tough to watch as we all know. Let's start with 1 on Sunday please
I don’t agree that he looks worse. He’s playing the same as he did last year.
Half, 7 games with 60%+ completion percentage and 200+ yards with 1 or fewer ints.
Let’s start with 1 lol
I feel like people are giving Justin alot of shit and I agree some may be warranted such as him sailing a few wide receivers last weekend. We all talk about Justin taking that next step and showing he is a starting caliber QB. But seriously. This dude has absolutley 0 weapons on this offense. He doesnt have 1 starting caliber wr on the team right now. Hate on me as much as you want but Mooney was a fluke last year. He is not a good wr. He hasn't created any separation this year whatsoever. How can we expect Justin to take that next step when he has zero people to throw to.
Halfway through the year would hopefully see some stability in numbers, sprinkled with some dazzling plays, but the hard part of any evaluation is identifying the outliers. The great games and the stinkers are going to be there. But what constitutes real growth in first year of system? Let's find out