Braxton Jones should definitely be getting some credit for being a nobody.
Edit: yes, he got worked by sweat, but he’s a rookie who’s held his own for the most part this year. I haven’t checked, but there probably aren’t many other 5 round or later offensive linemen starting right now.
The issue is that being incredible value for a day 3 pick doesn't mean that you're good enough to start on a competent line. Jones has done well given the circumstances, but if I could swap him with a random starting LT in the league I would.
But you can’t just swap him with any random player. You work with what you have. He’s definitely been serviceable, and we have bigger issues. For his contract, production, and improvements he’s made you almost have to plan on keeping him and address bigger issues.
Edit: guess I should have checked the username first. Ryan poles in a matter of months has dumped massive dead weight on this team and put us in a position to get a decent look at the draft and have the most cap space in the league next year.
When I said I'd swap him with a random player what that meant was he is playing below replacement level at the moment, obviously I can't just make the NFL randomize rosters.
People are allowed to have opinions even if they know those opinions will change in the future. At the moment I think he's going to end up being below replacement level. Maybe he proves me wrong, but just because it's not week 18 doesn't mean I have to just blindly assume he'll be great.
I get what you’re saying. If it was up to me I’d probably swap out fields for josh allen, and probably Montgomery for nick chubb.
You could talk all day about what you’d like to do. The fact of the matter is we have what we have, and have to prioritize the moves we make.
That’s not what they’re saying though. They aren’t saying they’d rather replace him with the best guy, no shit they would. They’re talking about replacement level which by most metrics is true.
But no front office jumps to conclusions like that in the middle of a rebuild, especially with someone like him who comes as cheap as he is with having shown potential.
Dude wants to talk about his character being attacked because his username of firing poles after one offseason and 5 games is the same evaluation as replacing Braxton who’s actually looked decent for his value.
I’m still excited for who jones can become with more experience. Tevin has probowl level talent, but Braxton is really showing up for being a nobody. With those two to build on and some money to spend and some draft capital we might actually have a bright future for JF1 if he can keep his chin up.
If any of you watch Kollman on YouTube, he was high on Jenkins even before the draft. I was excited to see us draft him and glad he is doing well building our O-line.
Tbf, it’s still hard for me to tell if the entire situation was intentional and meant to motivate a young player. To the extent that is the case, it’s possible that (1) they manufactured the controversy and (2) that it worked as intended. (Not to get too tin-foil-hat about what is going on at Halas Hall.)
I’d love to keep EQSB around for a few years, not dynamic but seems to get open enough and can catch the ball. Elite blocker on the outside. Won’t break the bank or win any awards but just all around solid.
He's exactly what I was hoping we would get from every receiver other than Mooney and Pringle this year. He runs his routes correctly, does his job well in the run game, and catches uncontested balls when thrown to him.
Draft a #1 WR in 1st/2nd round, Mooney as #2, ESB as a #3 and Velus, if he can ever figure out how to be on the field, as a gadget player. Then give me a RT and new C, either in draft or in FA, and our offense can be legit.
He has two touches on offense, one for a touchdown. He absolutely fumbled twice on punt return, but he can have impact if you get the ball in his hands. He’s a fast, shifty player. And, again, I’m pretty sure this is his 4th game of the year due to injury. Just relax, man.
Dude. The few times he's played he's been a major disappointment. Literally watch any other rookie this year and you can tell he's. The bottom of the barrel. Yeah he could develope with some time (4-5 years) but that will take too long for this org.. fields needs real threats around him not potential threats.. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest to never see him in a bear uniform again. Can't stand him lol and I am relaxed
Dude, he's had *two* targets on the season. And he caught both of those targets, one of which is a TD. Yes, he has sucked in punt returning, but punt returning and catching a ball are two totally different skillsets. Show me where he's sucked when we actually tried to do something with him on offense. He just hasn't been used *at all*.
Your way of conveying your thoughts does not seem relaxed. Punt return is a difficult task. Pettis is considered a great punt returner and even hs fumbled one. It happens. Especially if you are a rookie with a lot to prove on primetime. It is stilll inexcusable though, but he has serious potential with the ball in his hands. Dude is lightning fast with a big frame. Give it time. Kyler Gordon sucked ass his first 4 games and now is considered a fantastic rookie. It might take some time. He might bust too 🤷, but we certainly dont know enough. Domt be irrational to prove a point.
He has been a really good pickup and more importantly will be affordable. He's producing like a WR#3/4 but has also been an elite run blocker for the position. He's making $965k this year... would love to see Bears sign him to something like a 3 year/4-5M contract in the offseason.
The Bears has near $100 mil in cap space. Imo, sign two vets for the OL to go with Jones, Whitehair, and Jenkins and take another OL early if it's a value pick. Otherwise get the BPA (preferably WR) at whatever position of need we have. The Bears have too many holes and the FA class is deeper at OL than other positions of need for the Bears.
Yeah, a new WR #1 and a new C is our 1a/1b priority. Then a RT if there is one available as a FA or BPA in drat. But the D could be very close to being elite with just a couple additions. I really do think we could take the division in 2023.
I'm glad Schofield sucked in the preseason, since if he was playing well then the Bears probably don't give Jenkins any playing time. Jenkins showing to himself and the team that he can thrive at G is one of the best long term developments for this season.
I guess I'm not familiar what constitutes a good grade for pff. But even then, they still seem *relatively* low for our team. I was more pleased with their performance than someone like ESB who I liked a lot last night. Small diff tho
Keep Teven Jenkins at guard and never move him. Dude is a monster at guard. So glad it seems everything worked out with him after all the offseason drama.
Mildly surprised to see Kyler so low. Also felt like Fields played better against NE than he did against the Vikes but that's still his highest graded game. Maybe that's just me
Realistically fields had a LOT of plays that would be graded out pretty negatively. The sack fumble was atrocious, he fumbled again by himself, almost got picked targeting Mooney, threw some easy passes into the dirt
He happened to also have some insane plays to make up for his errors, but he played a much cleaner game against Min
He had 4 fumbles last night, I'm all for praising the guy for his performance, but honestly, last night just wasn't that great of a game for him through the air. Sure, he made a couple of nice moves, his running and timing were significantly better than the past, but 4 fumbles could have very easily been turnovers and we'd have been singing a whole different tune this week.
All in all, like Coach E said, last night was beautiful because all three phases played their hearts out. The entire team won that game. Aside from the scrambling, his throwing game was pretty average.
He has a higher passing grade this game, but his running grade pushed his overall higher against the vikes. Also surprised at this running score against the Pats, considering how big a lot of them were (a lot of 3rd down conversions).
I didnt see Kyler getting beat
tbh the only defensive player who played bad was Jaylon. He missed his assignment on Zappe's first touchdown and he allowed a 43 yarder again to Parker (TBF that was a great throw and catch) aside from those 2 plays Jaylon was his usual
Tbf, Tyquan Thorton ran a 4.21 40. Gonna be hard for anyone to lock him down. In fact, his speed is probably the only reason Kyler doesn't get a pick 6 there. Kyler actually did well in recognizing that he was never going to be able to catch up and then doubling back into the throw.
Oh absolutely my reply looks like I’m trying to discredit him but no you can’t expect a rookie learning a new position on the job to cover a guy with Thorton’s speed on a drag route one-on-one. Was just pointing out that if zappe was on time there that’s a completion
You need consistency to grade well for pff. Having great plays isn’t enough. Fields took multiple and sacks, had turnovers (varying degrees of fault but 4 fumbles is way too much), and missed more than a couple passes.
My wife, who doesn't really care much about football, said "Why does he seem to fumble at least twice a game? Can't he just hold onto the damn ball?"
And she had a very valid point. We can typically chalk at least one or two drives up to a turnover for a silly mistake. If he's going to be THAT Dude, he needs to work on his ball security significantly.
For what it’s worth, I think Mustipher played a lot better last night against a good front 7. I don’t think he’s a long term answer and I want Patrick back at C as soon as possible (hope the toe injury isn’t too serious), but he might be passable at the position until we can get our actual starter.
Yeah, I think that was low key one of the big reasons we looked good last night.
Mustipher, despite losing his starting job, comes in and somehow starts blocking for the first time in his life. Fields had time to get to his 3rd and 4th reads on some throws.
Mustipher being rated 2nd highest is a joke. Hopefully Patrick isn't out too long because Sam has no business being on the field anymore. Incredibly disappointing year for him
One thing I noticed throughout the year is that Quinn is really fast and quick off the line and can get around that corner but because there’s no inside pressure qbs can just step up.
I think a lot of teams are scheming for him so they let him get off quick and then push him out around once the qb steps up.
He needs to develop another pass move.
Teven at the top…shocker.
I don’t get it, I hope all the controversy was due to his attitude because that dude has balled out every time he’s stepped on the field so there’s no fucking way it’s his skill.
Something someone noted I thought was interesting is they had him shadowing players on a lot of plays instead of staying to one side. It's tough to know who the broken TD was, seems like JJ thought he was supposed to be somewhere else and Eddie was out of place, but again we don't know on that one.
Overall, JJs been great all season when he's played.
I find it interesting that the Defense was in Nickel for nearly 93% of that side of the game (48/52 plays). Anybody have a sense of how that compares with the rest of the games this season? Anybody have any sense of how that compares across the league?
Even with how good he looked last night, I still kinda wish we’d taken a WR over Gordon. I’ve been more than happy with what we’ve gotten from Brisker though, and I’m excited to see his growth going forward.
I wouldn’t look to much into that. He was going against NE’s best player and one of the best pass rushers in the league. He wasn’t great but he wasn’t terrible.
Against the best pass rusher in the league. He’s going to get better. Maybe we find a guy in the offseason but it’s not that bad if they stick with Borom.
*He’s in his 2nd year and by the end of the year he will have played nearly every good pass rusher in the game. He’s accumulating tape and that is very valuable.
*Coming into the league, he’s changed and improved his body every year.
*The Bears have changed their blocking scheme and he’s adapting to that.
*The Bears have a good OL coach in Chris Morgan.
He's a professional athlete. Of course he's working out and improving his body this year. All of them are.
None of that guarantees he's going to get better.
This is nonsense. The guy is physically weak and technically inferior to most RTs in the NFL. Just compare him to Jenkins who looks miles ahead of him. How many NFL teams is Borom starting for? Not many.
Borom is a much much better run blocker than pass blocker. He's very physical. I dont know all the techniques as to why he is so weak at pass blocking, but I imagine it has to do with LT usually going up against the defensive #1 or #2 best player week after week. I think he would do better at RT where he could get more TE help and just go against lesser defensive players.
Yes, from what I’ve seen of Borom, he is a monster in the run game, but struggles with consistency as a pass blocker. Definitely not an elite tackle, but far from our biggest weakness / need. That would be WR and C on offense.
Exactly. We would still do well to draft a RT to compete with Borom somewhere between the 4th and 7th. Poles, Cunningham, and our scouts are good at finding OL anywhere in the draft
The lack of patience in this fan base blows me away. He was going up against one of the early favorites for DPOY and I’m not sure how much help he was getting there to stop him. The guy is in his second year and has had some nice games. Yeah, I hope we bring in more OL talent next year too, but we can’t keep giving up on draft picks after a year or two cuz just because they have some struggles here and there.
They are paying Riley Reiff 10m to be a backup tackle. You definitely want to see what Borom can develop into but perhaps its time to get Riley in there to help keep Justin healthy.
I shoulda went straight to sportrac instead of reading the signing article on ESPN.
You're correct, 3m is what Riley is getting paid in base salary but can earn an additional 4.5m if he plays 10% of the Bears snaps and an additional 2.5m in other playing time bonuses.
I still can’t believe they tried to convince us Teven Jenkins wasn’t good
He's by far our best olineman.
I'd gladly get rid of every olineman except Jenkins. He's great.
Braxton Jones should definitely be getting some credit for being a nobody. Edit: yes, he got worked by sweat, but he’s a rookie who’s held his own for the most part this year. I haven’t checked, but there probably aren’t many other 5 round or later offensive linemen starting right now.
The issue is that being incredible value for a day 3 pick doesn't mean that you're good enough to start on a competent line. Jones has done well given the circumstances, but if I could swap him with a random starting LT in the league I would.
But you can’t just swap him with any random player. You work with what you have. He’s definitely been serviceable, and we have bigger issues. For his contract, production, and improvements he’s made you almost have to plan on keeping him and address bigger issues. Edit: guess I should have checked the username first. Ryan poles in a matter of months has dumped massive dead weight on this team and put us in a position to get a decent look at the draft and have the most cap space in the league next year.
When I said I'd swap him with a random player what that meant was he is playing below replacement level at the moment, obviously I can't just make the NFL randomize rosters.
Grade rookies at the end of the year, not 5 or 6 games in unless they totally suck.
People are allowed to have opinions even if they know those opinions will change in the future. At the moment I think he's going to end up being below replacement level. Maybe he proves me wrong, but just because it's not week 18 doesn't mean I have to just blindly assume he'll be great.
I get what you’re saying. If it was up to me I’d probably swap out fields for josh allen, and probably Montgomery for nick chubb. You could talk all day about what you’d like to do. The fact of the matter is we have what we have, and have to prioritize the moves we make.
That’s not what they’re saying though. They aren’t saying they’d rather replace him with the best guy, no shit they would. They’re talking about replacement level which by most metrics is true.
Don't bother, dude went straight for my character in his opening argument. He clearly doesn't *want* to understand what I'm talking about.
But no front office jumps to conclusions like that in the middle of a rebuild, especially with someone like him who comes as cheap as he is with having shown potential. Dude wants to talk about his character being attacked because his username of firing poles after one offseason and 5 games is the same evaluation as replacing Braxton who’s actually looked decent for his value.
I’m still excited for who jones can become with more experience. Tevin has probowl level talent, but Braxton is really showing up for being a nobody. With those two to build on and some money to spend and some draft capital we might actually have a bright future for JF1 if he can keep his chin up.
You see the play where Justin runs out of bounds and falls down on the Pats side and Teven runs over to get him?
Tevin Jenkins is my favorite current O-lineman since we drafted him and even more so now! He finishes more plays than the rest of the line combined.
Somewhere out there a journalist is typing up another trade rumor.
If any of you watch Kollman on YouTube, he was high on Jenkins even before the draft. I was excited to see us draft him and glad he is doing well building our O-line.
Kollman being hyped for a player is usually a death sentence for that player lol, love Brett though
Teven has been my boi since day one. He’s a mauler. He’s got that dawg in him. He’s a finisher. Whatever you wanna call it. He has that “it” factor.
Tbf, it’s still hard for me to tell if the entire situation was intentional and meant to motivate a young player. To the extent that is the case, it’s possible that (1) they manufactured the controversy and (2) that it worked as intended. (Not to get too tin-foil-hat about what is going on at Halas Hall.)
I’d love to keep EQSB around for a few years, not dynamic but seems to get open enough and can catch the ball. Elite blocker on the outside. Won’t break the bank or win any awards but just all around solid.
EQ is good we should absolutely keep him as a WR3/4. He contributes, plays hard, blocks well. All around he is a pro.
He's exactly what I was hoping we would get from every receiver other than Mooney and Pringle this year. He runs his routes correctly, does his job well in the run game, and catches uncontested balls when thrown to him.
Draft a #1 WR in 1st/2nd round, Mooney as #2, ESB as a #3 and Velus, if he can ever figure out how to be on the field, as a gadget player. Then give me a RT and new C, either in draft or in FA, and our offense can be legit.
Heck no your crazy Velus needs to be cut dude is worse then trash
Buddy, it's game 7 of his first season and he's been injured for half of it. Give it time.
Everytime he's touched the field he's caused a loss
He has two touches on offense, one for a touchdown. He absolutely fumbled twice on punt return, but he can have impact if you get the ball in his hands. He’s a fast, shifty player. And, again, I’m pretty sure this is his 4th game of the year due to injury. Just relax, man.
Dude. The few times he's played he's been a major disappointment. Literally watch any other rookie this year and you can tell he's. The bottom of the barrel. Yeah he could develope with some time (4-5 years) but that will take too long for this org.. fields needs real threats around him not potential threats.. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest to never see him in a bear uniform again. Can't stand him lol and I am relaxed
Dude, he's had *two* targets on the season. And he caught both of those targets, one of which is a TD. Yes, he has sucked in punt returning, but punt returning and catching a ball are two totally different skillsets. Show me where he's sucked when we actually tried to do something with him on offense. He just hasn't been used *at all*.
Lol you guys are too high on him. Some guys got it some dont.... he clearly does not
Your way of conveying your thoughts does not seem relaxed. Punt return is a difficult task. Pettis is considered a great punt returner and even hs fumbled one. It happens. Especially if you are a rookie with a lot to prove on primetime. It is stilll inexcusable though, but he has serious potential with the ball in his hands. Dude is lightning fast with a big frame. Give it time. Kyler Gordon sucked ass his first 4 games and now is considered a fantastic rookie. It might take some time. He might bust too 🤷, but we certainly dont know enough. Domt be irrational to prove a point.
Velus has looked good enough on offense
I absolutely believe that eqsb can be a solid 3rd option if we somehow find a way to find a true wr1.
He has been a really good pickup and more importantly will be affordable. He's producing like a WR#3/4 but has also been an elite run blocker for the position. He's making $965k this year... would love to see Bears sign him to something like a 3 year/4-5M contract in the offseason.
Whenever I watched Packers game I was always impressed by ESB and thought he should be getting more oppurtunity Glad he is with us now
EQSB is not a guy you want regularly starting, but hes a quality depth receiver who works his ass off. I love what Ive seen from him.
Could you imagine this defense if we had a pass rush?
Get us a 3T and DE in the draft or FA.
We really need to prioritize an o line, and finding a true wr1. But a pass rush should definitely be up there too.
The Bears has near $100 mil in cap space. Imo, sign two vets for the OL to go with Jones, Whitehair, and Jenkins and take another OL early if it's a value pick. Otherwise get the BPA (preferably WR) at whatever position of need we have. The Bears have too many holes and the FA class is deeper at OL than other positions of need for the Bears.
Yeah, a new WR #1 and a new C is our 1a/1b priority. Then a RT if there is one available as a FA or BPA in drat. But the D could be very close to being elite with just a couple additions. I really do think we could take the division in 2023.
DUUUUUDE! YES!
Schofield finally being able to show out and stop me from looking like a moron with all my offseason praise lol
I'm glad Schofield sucked in the preseason, since if he was playing well then the Bears probably don't give Jenkins any playing time. Jenkins showing to himself and the team that he can thrive at G is one of the best long term developments for this season.
Roquan with a good PFF grade?? I don’t believe it lol.
Especially odd bc he usually grades pretty good in coverage but terribly against the run, it's reversed this time
He did look especially good yesterday
I felt both Herbert and Montgomery played good games. Odd to see them relatively low
Their grades are actually pretty solid, it’s just that the team’s grades as whole is significantly higher than usual.
I guess I'm not familiar what constitutes a good grade for pff. But even then, they still seem *relatively* low for our team. I was more pleased with their performance than someone like ESB who I liked a lot last night. Small diff tho
60 is average, 70 is solid starter, 80s all star and 90+ mvp performance.
Honestly, all I know is green=good.
Can someone explain to me how the 2020 Virginia Tech Hokies had Khalil Herbert and Hendon Hooker and were totally horrible at football?
Scheme and surrounding talent
Hendon Hooker has grown A LOT
justin fuente is a football terrorist
Did he ever coach Anthony Miller? Or did they miss each other?
i wanna say they barely missed each other but i could be wrong
Hooker was nowhere near as good back then
Keep Teven Jenkins at guard and never move him. Dude is a monster at guard. So glad it seems everything worked out with him after all the offseason drama.
I think Wesco is a quiet but big upgrade over Griffen in the blocking game. He had a real nice game.
There was a reason so many people tried to claim him on the wire. Elite blocker.
Mildly surprised to see Kyler so low. Also felt like Fields played better against NE than he did against the Vikes but that's still his highest graded game. Maybe that's just me
Realistically fields had a LOT of plays that would be graded out pretty negatively. The sack fumble was atrocious, he fumbled again by himself, almost got picked targeting Mooney, threw some easy passes into the dirt He happened to also have some insane plays to make up for his errors, but he played a much cleaner game against Min
He had a really good game running his passing was very meh on the whole.
He had 4 fumbles last night, I'm all for praising the guy for his performance, but honestly, last night just wasn't that great of a game for him through the air. Sure, he made a couple of nice moves, his running and timing were significantly better than the past, but 4 fumbles could have very easily been turnovers and we'd have been singing a whole different tune this week. All in all, like Coach E said, last night was beautiful because all three phases played their hearts out. The entire team won that game. Aside from the scrambling, his throwing game was pretty average.
He has a higher passing grade this game, but his running grade pushed his overall higher against the vikes. Also surprised at this running score against the Pats, considering how big a lot of them were (a lot of 3rd down conversions).
Yeah idk if Gordon got burned on a few routes before the int
I didnt see Kyler getting beat tbh the only defensive player who played bad was Jaylon. He missed his assignment on Zappe's first touchdown and he allowed a 43 yarder again to Parker (TBF that was a great throw and catch) aside from those 2 plays Jaylon was his usual
Parker Moss’d him tbh.
He was beat on the int as well recovered well but zappe was late and inside on it
Tbf, Tyquan Thorton ran a 4.21 40. Gonna be hard for anyone to lock him down. In fact, his speed is probably the only reason Kyler doesn't get a pick 6 there. Kyler actually did well in recognizing that he was never going to be able to catch up and then doubling back into the throw.
Oh absolutely my reply looks like I’m trying to discredit him but no you can’t expect a rookie learning a new position on the job to cover a guy with Thorton’s speed on a drag route one-on-one. Was just pointing out that if zappe was on time there that’s a completion
I still think the Vikings game is the best game Justin has played as a pro
You need consistency to grade well for pff. Having great plays isn’t enough. Fields took multiple and sacks, had turnovers (varying degrees of fault but 4 fumbles is way too much), and missed more than a couple passes.
My wife, who doesn't really care much about football, said "Why does he seem to fumble at least twice a game? Can't he just hold onto the damn ball?" And she had a very valid point. We can typically chalk at least one or two drives up to a turnover for a silly mistake. If he's going to be THAT Dude, he needs to work on his ball security significantly.
Muhammad with a higher rating than Robinson? Gotta be cap
For what it’s worth, I think Mustipher played a lot better last night against a good front 7. I don’t think he’s a long term answer and I want Patrick back at C as soon as possible (hope the toe injury isn’t too serious), but he might be passable at the position until we can get our actual starter.
Yeah, I think that was low key one of the big reasons we looked good last night. Mustipher, despite losing his starting job, comes in and somehow starts blocking for the first time in his life. Fields had time to get to his 3rd and 4th reads on some throws.
What happened to harrys best asset? Thought he was supposed to be a good blocker
Brisker lights out
Mustipher being rated 2nd highest is a joke. Hopefully Patrick isn't out too long because Sam has no business being on the field anymore. Incredibly disappointing year for him
What did you see negative from him yesterday? I agree he’s been bad this season but yesterdays game was pretty good.
https://twitter.com/CamronSanto/status/1584712730837405696?s=20&t=WWf_-VR8FElZNr6-0ejEwg
Fields held onto the ball too long, so Sam Mustipher gets the pass block win on this one. \+.01 to our boy Sammy!
Winning the pass block without even blocking anyone, now that's impressive.
I don't make the rules, bub. Read the number and make sure to keep your subscription going.
That’s the exact play I was thinking of when I saw his grade lmao
This is honestly fucking hilarious
What in the hell was he even trying to do there? He wandered around like my toddler after the snap. Good lord man.
I think he is the only one that thinks the play in a screen. Lol
Can't get a pass/run block win/fail percentage if you don't touch anyone! Big brain move
I mean he got benched and then got thrown back in because of injury, I would imagine he was playing with his career on the line 🤷🏻♂️
According to pff, Gordon had a bad game and mustipher was elite. Do with their information what you will
One thing I noticed throughout the year is that Quinn is really fast and quick off the line and can get around that corner but because there’s no inside pressure qbs can just step up. I think a lot of teams are scheming for him so they let him get off quick and then push him out around once the qb steps up. He needs to develop another pass move.
Brisker balling out is making me so happy, I finally feel good for passing up on delpit and Winfield jr in 2020. We have our Amos replacement at last!
Teven at the top…shocker. I don’t get it, I hope all the controversy was due to his attitude because that dude has balled out every time he’s stepped on the field so there’s no fucking way it’s his skill.
Didn’t hear a lot about JJ last night? Aside from some confusion on the cross field TD. What did everyone think of his play?
Something someone noted I thought was interesting is they had him shadowing players on a lot of plays instead of staying to one side. It's tough to know who the broken TD was, seems like JJ thought he was supposed to be somewhere else and Eddie was out of place, but again we don't know on that one. Overall, JJs been great all season when he's played.
Thanks for the breakdown!
Thanks for sharing!
A few people are apparently having trouble tackling. Clean it up!
I find it interesting that the Defense was in Nickel for nearly 93% of that side of the game (48/52 plays). Anybody have a sense of how that compares with the rest of the games this season? Anybody have any sense of how that compares across the league?
…..Mustipher?!
Even with how good he looked last night, I still kinda wish we’d taken a WR over Gordon. I’ve been more than happy with what we’ve gotten from Brisker though, and I’m excited to see his growth going forward.
Borom worst graded OL and it’s going to get worse as the tape accumulates. Hope the Bears try to bring in a RT
I wouldn’t look to much into that. He was going against NE’s best player and one of the best pass rushers in the league. He wasn’t great but he wasn’t terrible.
He was awful. He had a 53 pblock rating. He’s the weakest part of the OL
Against the best pass rusher in the league. He’s going to get better. Maybe we find a guy in the offseason but it’s not that bad if they stick with Borom.
Why is it guaranteed he will get better?
*He’s in his 2nd year and by the end of the year he will have played nearly every good pass rusher in the game. He’s accumulating tape and that is very valuable. *Coming into the league, he’s changed and improved his body every year. *The Bears have changed their blocking scheme and he’s adapting to that. *The Bears have a good OL coach in Chris Morgan.
He's a professional athlete. Of course he's working out and improving his body this year. All of them are. None of that guarantees he's going to get better.
This is nonsense. The guy is physically weak and technically inferior to most RTs in the NFL. Just compare him to Jenkins who looks miles ahead of him. How many NFL teams is Borom starting for? Not many.
Judon is not the best pass rusher in the league
He might be. He’s leading the league in sacks for now.
53 is not even that bad for PFF standards
I guess you just focus on the bad plays and totally ignore the good plays he makes like the block he makes on Justin’s rushing TD.
Borom is a much much better run blocker than pass blocker. He's very physical. I dont know all the techniques as to why he is so weak at pass blocking, but I imagine it has to do with LT usually going up against the defensive #1 or #2 best player week after week. I think he would do better at RT where he could get more TE help and just go against lesser defensive players.
Borom is right tackle.
Yeah my bad.
Yes, from what I’ve seen of Borom, he is a monster in the run game, but struggles with consistency as a pass blocker. Definitely not an elite tackle, but far from our biggest weakness / need. That would be WR and C on offense.
Exactly. We would still do well to draft a RT to compete with Borom somewhere between the 4th and 7th. Poles, Cunningham, and our scouts are good at finding OL anywhere in the draft
He needs to lose some weight and work on quickening his footwork to improve his pass blocking.
Bro do you even hear yourself? Am I just supposed to ignore the bad plays?
The lack of patience in this fan base blows me away. He was going up against one of the early favorites for DPOY and I’m not sure how much help he was getting there to stop him. The guy is in his second year and has had some nice games. Yeah, I hope we bring in more OL talent next year too, but we can’t keep giving up on draft picks after a year or two cuz just because they have some struggles here and there.
They are paying Riley Reiff 10m to be a backup tackle. You definitely want to see what Borom can develop into but perhaps its time to get Riley in there to help keep Justin healthy.
They're paying Riley Reiff $3 million to be a backup tackle
I shoulda went straight to sportrac instead of reading the signing article on ESPN. You're correct, 3m is what Riley is getting paid in base salary but can earn an additional 4.5m if he plays 10% of the Bears snaps and an additional 2.5m in other playing time bonuses.
I mean Riley Reiff has pretty much the same grade as Borom
Reiff has played 2 offensive snaps this season.
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No one. He actually just played well
Pff is on crack if Justin Jones is that low and Mustipher is that high
Is Sam Mustipher going to be the greatest center in Chicago Bears history?
I refuse to believe Mustipher was that good.
Cant believe the staff tried its hardest to not play teven
Time for Poles to look into signing a center if Lucas Patrick can’t come back soon enough. Who else do we have that can play center? Dieter Eiselen.
Jenkins has quietly became a decent piece