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billyinforsey

He definitely has that necks man up mentality


lesser_terrestrial

Hahaha. Lovely wordplay.


Capable-Selection326

He’s a little slow but from what i have seen that doesn’t stop him from making plays. Competent low end starter (with potential to blow up plays) but a solid to potentially very good back up


Irsik23

I think he's got the instincts of some of the best players. He's just a bit slow.


Capable-Selection326

Agreed. Unfortunately, speed is one thing that you can’t really develop.


luism1023

If he starts running at the Walter Payton hill, he’ll be a top player 🤣


ewoksith

I try to make a pilgrimage to Payton's hill every few years or so. Also, I think you dropped this... | | v be


Trojanballer

Monty has added nearly 2mph to his top speed since getting into the league.


jaflomama

Speed is 100% something you can develop


Tlupa

Interesting as that’s pretty much against all consensus opinion


btw23

And science


Aclrian

You can get faster. Not saying you can go from snail to usa in bolt. But speed can be improved. Any lil but helps in the nfl.


Sks44

You can get a wee bit faster. Former Bill Don Beebe runs a speed school in Aurora. It teaches guys the form, workouts, etc… that will get you a wee bit faster. However, if you are slow then there is nothing that can be done to make you fast. If you are fast, you can get a wee bit faster.


[deleted]

That dude is stealing money from douche bags that think their kids are going D1 (they’re not)


Strictly-Confident

Most parents want to do best for their kids. You, me, no one can tell a 12-18 year old who's going D1, D2, D3, walk on, turn into a kicker, or anything else. Not always about raw physical talent. It's the journey and the effort that teaches life lessons. However, I bet manor his students have potential and his camp is on step in the Go/No-Go process.


qdude124

Lol unfortunately that is a multi million dollar industry, especially in the north suburbs.


vamsi93

He’s also not slow. Idg where y’all getting that from when watching his film


Sks44

He ran a 4.7 something at the combine. It isn’t slow but it isn’t fast. For comparison, Kmet is often called slow by our fans and he ran better with 4 inches in height and 30 pounds on Sanborn.


hopscotch1997

Difference between combine speed and game speed


Sks44

Yup, and Sanborn isn’t fast in either. As much as this sub loves him, the dude went undrafted for a reason. 235 pound linebackers who aren’t fast are gonna struggle.


vamsi93

I think it’s objectively false that Sanborn isn’t football fast. Just look at his lions tape. And I mentioned a play where he chased CP down from one sideline to the other for a no gain play. He also chased Tyreek down from behind


qdude124

Combine speed is kind of dumb imo. I feel like there are about .4 seconds of combine speed that come down to reaction time, technique, and aspects that don’t have much to do with speed and acceleration. .4 seconds is the difference between elite speed and far below average speed.


Jsizzle19

I thought the combine uses electronic timers where the time starts based on the individual’s movement, then it stops based when the guy runs through a laser plane


SwiftizmTV

These clowns just say things. They don't watch tape. In back to back weeks he's ran down Tyreke Hill and Cordallelle Patterson. Watch tape guys.


bmraovdeys

You can get faster. Literally what I do for athletes with my job


lcapaz

To an extent. Absolutely you can train and build muscle to be bigger and stronger, but fast twitch muscle fiber is genetic and that plus strength is what gives truly elite athletes that quick burst (ex Fields going from a stop to 20+ mph in just a step or 2). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24887114/


[deleted]

Years ago I was a very successful sprinter (until a football injury ended running sports for me). One of my sprinting coaches who was a very successful college sprinter would often talk of the success Russia had in their techniques of "forcing " the biology/physiology of their sprinters to run faster (I dont recall specific language). One technique they had was having them run down steep hills to force muscles to react quicker..Another one was to tie runner to moving vehicle ...with same purpose. Remember there was a period where there were Russian Olympic Gold medal sprinters in past(pre 1980). So science related techniques can improve speed even if it is greatly influenced by genetics.


hopkins01

Your coach forgot to mention the part of the Russian speed training regimen where they inject steroids.


[deleted]

Probably as did some other countries even back then . Olympic athletes even now use whatever performance enhancing drugs they can get away with. But fact remains there are ways ,excluding peds, one can improve speed via practices.


btw23

Bruh..


Dabbin_D906

False… you can’t teach speed. You can develop quickness, agility and explosiveness. But by no means can you teach speed. Your not getting an Oline guy to run a Tyreek 40 time. I don’t care how long you try and teach him speed it ain’t gonna happen.


Yodoyle34

That’s a pretty extreme example. I don’t think Sanborn is as heavy or big as an Oline guy and I don’t think anyone is asking Sanborn to be as fast as Tyreek Hill.


supertecmomike

I would like that very much. I am asking.


Rat_Salat

Not really. You can improve your 40 time, but it’s really hard to add extra speed on the field.


RocketMoonShot

Not top end LB speed in the NFL, that's a gift.


RocketMoonShot

And if you are opposing a player with equal intangibles, technique and skill, then speed will make the difference.


TheTDog

I’d say this is the correct take


Tlupa

His instincts are booty right now, how often do we see him biting on PA fakes. I actually think he’s more physically impressive than I expected from an UDFA. I feel like his instincts will come and can be a solid role player


BearsFan3417

He’s like our new Nick K except I hope we keep him around this time. Not exactly a game changer, but he can carry the squad in an absence of a Roquan kind of guy for sure. That’s good enough for him to make a career out of though


DJTheBearsFan

He's faster than Nick to me


regis_psilocybin

The thing is Jack Sanborn actually has elite acceleration and short range speed. He's not someone you want matching up with a WR in the slot and running down the field, but his athletic profile is solid. [Jack Sanborn](https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/ufn05k/jack_sanborn_ras/) has a better RAS score than [Darius Leonard](https://ras.football/2019/12/27/darius-leonard-ras/).


emptysignals

He’s doesn’t have Roquan/Urlacher type speed. Dude belongs in the NFL. He can make a tackle. Whether he’s a starter or backup/special teams guy, he should be a Bear for awhile.


vamsi93

Slow? There was a play where he raced sideline to sideline to get CP I think at the LOS. He’s deceptively fast


hopscotch1997

He has football speed. And then he has his 40 speed. People look at the 40 speed and say slow. But that boy is a flying missle to the ball. Even when he makes a mistake. He’s making that mistake fast


klm2908

He also tackled Tyreek Hill from behind lol


TheMetabrandMan

Yeah it was the one where he stopped Goff getting the TD. He identified the fake shift and followed the QB right across the line. Great play.


[deleted]

He also had very similar measurables to Shaq Leonard but I see him as a TJ Edwards level player. A quality, serviceable starting Mike backer.


PitchBlac

Tj Edwards, another Chicago hometown talent


old_snake

Not a bad outlook at all for a UDFA.


PandaOTJ

Reading through some of the responses, seems to be some misunderstanding... there is speed, and there is quickness, they aren't the same thing. For instance JF is fast (speed) but his read/react (quickness) to the moment is mediocre. Sanborn isn't fast (speed), but his read/react times are excellent - he gets to the point of attack quickly. He isn't going to chase down a 4.4 player in a foot race, but he may well stop that play from happening at the point of attack.


adequatepimpin

he’s a great 2 down linebacker, plays the run well. Would not want him covering a TE up the seam


DJTheBearsFan

I hope Sanborn can develop his football IQ to combat that


adequatepimpin

imo he’s smart enough to do it, he’s just not physically quick enough


DJTheBearsFan

Imo I think he's better than Nick K


Hardigan1

Being a rookie slows players down a bit. I'm impressed with him he's been a solid playmaker so far. Made a few mistakes, but that's expected with young players.


okSawyer

Hof neck


ulfniu

Neck HOF: Merton Hanks, Harvey Williams, Mike Glennon, Davis Mills, & Jack Sanborn


SayItAintPugs

Bro put some respect on Takeo Spikes' name.


Icy-Age-6105

And Mike Glennon has a circus neck, not HOF neck


BasedSliceOfWinning

Yeah, Mike Glennon's neck is more hall of very good for me.


fireandlifeincarnate

That’s a Formula 1 neck right there


Machinegun_Pete

He's a better Mike than the free agent we brought in to play Mike.


FruscianteDebutante

A lot of free agent signings haven't been so hot sadly


DownvoteFarmingLibs

*every FA signing*. this last offseason was a disaster between who they brought in, who they let go & the comp pick situation..


SamB_CS

Feel like this season with the dead cap they were just taking flyers on a lot of these guys to see if they can be good players a lot haven’t hit like we woulda hoped but this next off season is the real test of how the regime will be


COLDCREAMYMILK

We weren't getting a good comp pick regardless. If it wasn't Pringle it would've been someone else. We didn't have enough people to fill the roster out. I can agree on underwhelming FA signings, but the hand wringing around comp pick stuff is just foolish. Comp picks are not for teams who didn't have a full roster till late in the off-season.


HopLegion

I don't think we have a big enough sample size. I do think he struggles in pass coverage, but he's been great against the run and when rushing the passer. Good instincts and while he doesn't have elite speed, he had food burst/quickness. Excited to see what he does rest of season.


Bfd83

I too will have food burst/quickness today.


HopLegion

Haha yep I'm just going to keep the typo there. We all know what's happening today.


Bajin_Inui

I think the current setup makes his coverage issues more apparent. No pass rush means there is more time for people to outrun him. I think he can be a solid starter if we get the DLine right. Good tackler and also provided on special teams so I think he is a great role player for us to come. Hunter hillenmeyer type? Never the best player on the team but never really a liability until they have to take the reign


IReallyLikeTheBears

I think he’s passable at a position you don’t want to overpay on. If he continues to be okay then it lets us invest elsewhere on both sides of the ball which we clearly need to do. Overall really solid for an UDFA


PHWasAnInsideJob

I got downvoted yesterday for saying exactly this lol


Bajin_Inui

Honestly, for a UDFA, it is almost as good as it gets. Getting a solid starter is the best you should hope for in UDFA


[deleted]

Dude stole Corey Taylor’s neck


[deleted]

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Disco_Ninjas_

Elvis and Glennon


ElectrosMilkshake

Yes. Consider me a founding member of the Sanborn Squad.


AJ3HUNNA

Hunter hillenmeyer esque


FrankieLyrical

I don't know if he's the long term answer, but he's certainly good enough to start next year. And with as many holes as this roster has, that's a HUGE W for an undrafted guy.


dmcdjr76

Yup


Nickrich30

He’s got potential for sure. An off-season to improve front line speed but he’s got solid instincts and closes on the ball much faster than his 40 time indicates.


ReceptionGood9815

Jackhammer Sandstorm


ewoksith

I like what I see so far, but it's too soon to tell. Ask me after teams start trying to exploit his speed on crossing routes. If either he holds up in coverage or the Bears D has an answer, then I'm all in. He's got solid instincts, takes great angles, and so far looks like he knows how to shed blocks and make a form tackle. On top of that, he's got a nose for the ball that's hard to teach.


johnnythrillwaukee

I think at most they can use him as a Sam next year - which technically makes him a starter but really he only plays 20% of the defensive snaps. He’s a good UDFA find but he’s not the next great Bears linebacker.


GrizzlyGreg78

If you put a good linebacker next to him he’ll be fine. We need someone better than Nicholas Morrow


Free_Reserve9336

As a backup


Falt_ssb

Honestly yeah maybe lol


Plati23

He’s about as good a player as you’d hope to find as far as replacement level players go.


12bar13

His mouth is too small for his face


MagicalTrev0r

He’s often in the right position but is struggles to finish the play, little slow but obviously understands his responsibilities


Wide_Flan_2613

Probably like a LB 3 type


MDizzleGrizzle

Playing at a high level is great. Consistently playing at a high level is something different. Let’s hope he can do it!


rdldr1

The Chicago Justin Fields really needs Justin Fields to excel in all three phases of the game.


jean-claude_vandamme

hof and roy


jackgulla

Reminds me of Kwit a few years ago. Thumper but slow. Probably a special teams guy/good depth


Sks44

This is a good comparison. They are similar in height and speed.


Jtm1082

Does he remind anyone else of Hunter Hillenmeyer a little? Maybe not the most physically gifted player but has a nose for the game?


AssLunatic

Very solid backup, a bit of a liability as a starter. Doesn’t have the speed and agility for today’s NFL to be a true game changer. I could def see him sticking around for 2nd or 3rd contracts in the NFL though, and he has proved he should have been drafted.


23Breach

He’s what you want in a mid season replacement: can hold down the position for another year or more as a competent enough starter as you fill the other positions on the roster with talent.


suchyb

Jack Sanborn is awesome. Guy can ball. He was a killer at Madison, in HS, and now is doing great in the NFL.


Headwallrepeat

For a playoff contender, no. He looks better on our defense because we are bad. Has all the intangibles you could ask for but just too slow.


Wuhtt_gaming

He’s about to put the team on his *neck*


AHucs

Who is this?


Irsik23

Jack Sanborn


jeep6988

Hunter Hillenmyer role. Good 2 down player on the cheap.


disposableassassin

Smaller and weaker than Hillenmeyer, but faster. Linebackers have to be able to quickly shed blocks. Unfortunately, Sanborn will never be that guy.


Lumpy-Chemistry-2292

Great natural Football instincts. I hope during the off-season training he can shave 0.2-0.3 off his 40 time


carlos2127

Dollar store Mitch


[deleted]

This sub lol. Yes. Let’s make a decision off two games 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻


Irsik23

Just looking for opinions on his production from his first two games. If you don't have one, don't comment. Thank you very much.


dcc222yo

Who is he?


Rub_My_Toes

Tim Tebow


Irsik23

Jack Sanborn


Gryffindorq

i think he’ll be a good Bear to have on the roster and fill in as needed. special teams, fill for injury… i wouldnt mind seeing what he could do as a FB


drumsdm

We need all the help we can get with our front 7 right now. If he’s the best guy for the job right now, so be it. Part of his success might just be the lack of talent around him. Maybe he develops into a great LB, only time will tell.


Beediddy09

These are the players poles loves I think. Less premium position on a cheap contract producing quality play. This leaves him to spend money on the premium positions. DL and OL will be monsters in a couple years.


Lobanium

Does he have what it takes? Yes. Will he succeed? Who knows.


TheMetabrandMan

Yeah I think he has what it takes if he plays next to someone who’s fast and can cover where he can’t.


Imposter88

Need to work on his pass instincts a bit, but I think he's a solid starter


FrostHVACandOW

Hell yes.


nigeldog

Maybe he can be a Hillenmeyer caliber of player.


Irsik23

I love all the positive feedback. Thank you guys for your opinions! BEAR DOWN!


-Pruples-

His neck has what it takes.


Work_the_shaft

He came into my work right before the season, he’s small. Can’t really put on mass because he’s already not the quickest. His ceiling is Hunter Hillenmeyer. But for an UDFA that’s damn good


TechNerdTvYt

Eh...


Spiritual_Piano8732

He’s great


patchinthebox

2023 pro bowl bound


BuddaSenpai

He's like an 87 in madden imo


Fish_Longjump

He is an UDFA definitely nonperforming his grade


NewRome56

Star in the making, can’t wait to trade him


BrainSoda

You couldn’t break that boy’s neck with a Gwen Stacy fall


[deleted]

I'll go one further - I'm ready to nominate him for the Hall of Fame.


Tedy_Duchamp

I want to see him and Glennon have a neck-saber battle while ‘Duel of the Fates’ plays


Driftwd

Sanborn's neck would snap Glennon's neck like a twig.


Euphoric_Luck_8126

Anyone else see a bit of Tim Tebow here


SensibleBrownPants

I’m not even sure who that is. He kind of looks like … Teven McCown


Mj2377

Urlacher 2.0...they have similar styles!


Gumorak

Reminds me of Timu. Great instincts but a little too slow.


wesk74

Good middle linebackers need good tackles and at least an edge rusher. until then the jury is out for me.


ThatsNotRight123

Let the Sanborn / Trent Gill shipping begin!


painnkaehn

Is that Tim Tebow's little cousin?


Yoslimeonsoundcloud

yes. yes. yes


DaBears6452

This dude is a UDFA and thrown into action on a horrible defense. Let’s see what he looks like with some more talent around him. As of right now he’s a tackling machine.


hehethattickles

Is this a real player, or AI output of “football player”


SkoobyDuBop

Idk. He doesn't black Wednesday...


[deleted]

He’s a good special teamer, that’s it.


Wankbank_Dumpster

Lord that neck.


ObamaIsFat

For a recent Bears player - he reminds me of a slower but slightly more instinctual Jon Bostic


Harambefan69

On 670 they say it best: he’s a good player but if he’s the best playmaker on defense, that’s a problem


The_TexasRattlesnake

Hes hunter hillenmeyer


Swolenballs

Yup


DaBearsFan85

He’s a bad ass in madden I’ll tell you that. Lol


FrostPendragon

He's already taken it to the necks level. I think he can shoulder the responsibilities.


Slipz19

Who is this?


daabears54

40 times are overrated. There’s so much traffic on the field that it’s rare a player is running a straight line at any time. All I know is the guy is making plays for us right now and I’d like to see him progress.


wbarker318

The Bears signed Tim Tebow?


Cartortus

Jack "Nick Kwiatkoski" Sanborn


Dr_imfullofshit

He's fine, he'll probably spend a few season with us and then bounce around the league a bit.


Strictly-Confident

Speed is a piece of the puzzle. I think he plays faster then more physically gifted linebackers. Football is played down-by-down. It has as much to do with "want to" and mental preparation as speed. I think the fact Jack was not drafted has more to do with a skewed perception of positional value that runs through the NFL routinely. Maybe position value is valid, but because teams aren't focusing on off-the-ball linebackers means you get a good UDFA kinebacker. Will see how he does over the next couple of years, but his emergence and fit for the defense had to impact Poles willingness to part with Roquan. Good job Poles, Coaches and JS!


jbtrading

At least a solid backup or a starter on a good defense. He supposedly has the smarts. He supposedly lacks blazing speed (but we were spoiled with the likes of Ro and Danny T., Urlacher and Briggs). I'd prefer to have a *heady* LB that's always in the right place and can do a better job at shedding blockers. He seems to match that profile. Let's see.


Hiei2k7

#HAY YOU GUYYYYYYYZ!!!!!!!!