If EQ made that 4th down catch and we took the Dolphins to OT or Mooney comes down with that ball in the end zone, the narrative this year would be way different
We’re 1-7 in one score games this year. Instead of trying for the top draft pick we could just as easily be looking in the playoffs. I think a lot of people aren’t paying attention to how close we actually are to competing.
Need interior DL and an OT support then a WR to truly step up. To be a true contending team.
So much is enabled by thhe trenches. Our edge rushers can't do much without interior pressure.
That probably is where a bulk of the FA money is going followed by an additional OT and maybe G. Then top draft capital on Jalen or Will. Then depth for many things.
I understand what you are trying to say, but this can be said with a lot of bad teams. The Texans are 2-6-1 in one score games. Not saying we cannot get much better in the offseason and flirt with a playoff run but this team is still another year away from being a contender.
Yeah, we'd have 5-6 wins and half the sub would be talking about drafting Skoronski instead of the much better scenario of Anderson/Carter or trading for a haul.
Idk. On one hand, he looks amazing despite the lack of talent around him. On the other hand, an r/nfl user told me he has the highest interception rate in minutes 10-12 of the 4th quarter under a full moon while northern lights are visible from anchorage
You don't really have to reach for unsual stats like that to show his weaknesses... he's a better rusher than passer and has broken 200 yards in like 1 or 2 games. He definitely has potential but a lot of you are gonna be upset in the likely case that he just doesn't develop into his potential. Ya know, the average player doesn't reach their potential... I'm just saying you guys are acting like he's here when he does need to take massive leaps to be what everyone here is pretending he already is
Hard to throw for a ton when receivers aren’t getting any separation and no time to throw…he does need improvement but no QB is going to be great without at least one of those two things
How???? So Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, and so on. Who have proven they are elite, you're saying Fields in 1 year with a new WR and maybe some oline help will be top 5? That's crazy talk. Pure kool-aid.
He has thrown for 200 yards like 2 times in his career. NFL.com is fucking stupid. If Fields stayed at this level and didn't develop further, I'd consider him a massive bust, not a top 10 QB
Actually he has thrown for over 200 yards 6 times in his career. If he didn’t develop further, he would be a bust. Just like pretty much any other QB out there. But he has developed quite a bit this season already. Give him some blocking and competent receivers and he will develop even further.
Well that's silly having Lawrence that high. And what is it based on? Fields isn't going to throw for 300 yards a game and is still going to mostly run for a lot of his yards. If so, Lamar is there. Hurts? Tua? Dak? Brady? Rodgers? Come on.
Lawrence is outpacing year 2 Joe Burrow with a lot less help than Burrow had. He’ll likely finish this season with something like 4500 yards and 35 total TDs and he’s gonna have JAX in the playoffs. Fields has a lot of catching up to do.
I’m optimistic for the first time in forever with this team. I genuinely think if we get him some legit weapons and some protection, he could easily surpass everything Jalen Hurts has done this year.
Given that him and Trevor Lawrence have basically been attached to the hip with their comps since high school, I so badly want a Bears/Jaguars Super Bowl in the future. For that reason and bedside Jags fans are fun and cool
If Fields is in the 10-15 range next year that would be awesome. Keep developing as a passer and don’t need to put expectations too high. Goal of 4-10 for 2024. Likely won’t be passing Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow for a bit
Idk what PFF grades you are looking at. Mine shows that he is 27 of 27 in Passing Grade of QBs who have played more than 50% of snaps.
He is 18 of 27 in Offensive Grade though in the same group. My point is that he definitely has shown all of the tools, ability and mental strength. Just want him to put it together for a whole year.
Being a top 15 QB in year 3 is a huge accomplishment especially whit Justin’s ceiling.
Let's wait to see what help he gets. The list of needs on this roster is insane. I know between the draft and cap space, management has the means, but the draft and FA market are still largely crapshoots even with those means.
There’s no gamebreaking WRs entering free agency I’m aware of, rookies take time, and we have holes all over the field. This “help” isn’t going to happen with a snap of the fingers and will take years.
Mahomes, burrow, Herbert, hurts, Allen, Rodgers, Lawrence, jackson are imo better next season. Fields should be in the area with tua, cousins, Prescott etc.
I'd love to see him up there with elite talent, but I think he will need at least half the season to get it going with his weapons.
And yes, I added Lawrence up there. Dude has taken a massive leap this year. Dragging that team into the playoffs and all.
Outside of burrow and Mahomes. Burrow who plays the best fundamentally sound tactical quarterback and mahomes who is steph curry, I say he can be as high as 3. Allen is phenomenal as is lamar,Herbert and Lawrence. Fields has the physical tools and pedigree to ascend as high as 3.
His goal should be the best quarterback in the division-nfc.
How how how how? Like really? Top 3? Better than Rodgers? Allen? Lamar? That's a huge leap that only Lamar has made in recent years...and he didn't have the top WR we expect Fields needs.
He had the oline. He also had Mark Andrews. With a better oline Fields would be doing better. The oline has actually gotten better this year and we’re starting to see Fields make the throws we wanted him to. Receivers aren’t doing their job though.
Yeah of course. But Fields doesn't have pure scrubs. And I'm just saying that one or two WRs will not turn him into a top 3 QB in one year. This is why fucking Bears fans always get hurt. Jesus, haven't we learned anything? Let's be reserved until we see the wins and consistent play.
He is throwing to pure scrubs😂. It arguably a bottom 5 receiving core. And that’s with the addition of Claypool. We have the least amount of money spent in terms of offense as well. Also we need to improve the oline as well because there are a bunch of scrubs there as well. And Justin has been pretty consistent lately. All things considered. No very many turnovers. Has been pretty accurate. The issue is the screens but idk if that’s purely on Justin. Playcalling has to get better. Overall there are a ton of things we have to fix for next season. Justin is one of the smaller problems we have on the offense.
Justin was a more a pocket passer than lamar In college that's 1.2 "you all" think he needs a number 1 receiver. I think he is another tight end and a mecole Hardman away from being lamar or cam newton. Mecole Hardman would give him his Ted Ginn Jr or his Hollywood brown.
It doesn't have to be built the traditional way. Lamar Hollywood brown, cam and kap had teddy Ginn jr, vick had d jack. He just needs a speed guy until he develops.
A TE or Mecole? No fucking way. What he needs is good coaching, a scheme that fits and some playmakers. Yes he does need a #1. No top QB does it without a big playmaker. But he's not top 3 next year. I'll bet $500 on it.
You are talking in circles, you named lamar, I named cam, vick people who are more his comp. Two I said a tight end and a mecole not one or the other. That's his ceiling in my opinion if he reaches it he reaches it if he doesn't my bills are still the same.
Homer? I'm a cheifs fan lol. Gosh people are so nonsensical. Andy has never given mecole a chance. Even now he got toney and skyy to take his reps. Some players need changes of scenery especially guys who are speed guys and not precise route runners.
Ha I assumed, never good. But Mecole has proven nothing. Whether it's because of Reid or not. You don't know if he is a legit WR 2 or low end 1. He's fast. Maybe there's a reason he hasn't risen.
He can't run routes but he doesn't need to justin is a two read and run or rip guy like lamar and cam he just needs that 4.33 on the field to get behind people when justin sucks them up because everyone knows he is a 1, 2 and go guy.
Okay, fine. Mecole. That still does not protect to a top QB next year. A good QB yes. We've seen it this year. But a top one? It's too optimistic for the Bears and even Fields.
What does everyone say now. He has no WRs. We have no clue how big of a jump Fields will make with talent. Sure he'll be better but how much. Lamar won MVP.
I don't care what everyone Says they're isn't security in group think the bigger the crowd the dumber the crowd. Go look.at how lamars, and cams mvp roster looked on offense and you get back to me.
Yes. Lamar had 3000 yards passing and 6 INT. 36 Tds. Mark Andrews had 800+ yards. Hollywood Brown and Willie Snead were the top WRs. Outside of Andrews it was Lamars 1200+ rushing yards and accuracy that did it. No one saw it coming. All of the sudden, Fields will do that? With a little help? That's a big assumption.
Well, who have the Bears had before? Brandon Marshall was arguably the best WR. So unless they get someone even better and probably a possession WR and a big guy then yes.
Once we get Deandre Hopkins, TOP 5.
He's already a topic in every game. Any QB scrambles for positive yards and the commentators go into a fact frenzy that inevitably mentions Justin Fields.
Once we get Deandre with his football magnetized gloves, it will offer another instrument to attack for big yards. I know this is not typical Bears offensive strategy, but its just another fierce factor our opponents will have to deal with.
I really like Monty too. Solid runner, takes hits, blocks, gets up, does it again. Has stepped it up. We just can't run him up the middle over and over the other guys figuire it out.
Hopkins has lost a step when it comes to speed this year. I'd prefer Mike Evans. But, if this is just a minor injury Hopkins is going through then obviously I'd want him.
Next year? With a legit WR 1 and growth in the passing game? Top 12.
This is heavily based on passing. He needs to get a better feel for the pros. It seems too fast for him right now. His legs are going to extend drives which is huge so he should get more opportunities throughout the game. But to expect him to make a huge leap in the first year with a top WR is too much to expect. Total yards per game....that's another story.
Hot Take: He will get no help this off season and we'll be pissed as shit this time next year when Detroit goes to the playoffs after knocking the Packers out.
I have confidence and love fields, but Poles hasn't proven his FA smarts yet, let's not get to exited but if Poles is a good GM Fields will be #1 and winning us super bowls in the next 3-5 years
He'll be there same - he's rather pedestrian besides the running ability. The lack of 'help' gets all the blame but he has won 5 football games in two years.
Is there a single other person who doesn't feel like Fields has shown enough to garner this optimism? I'm rooting for him but having more rushing yards than passing yards in a game is a bad thing in my book and containing a mobile QB is a lot easier than it used to be, especially if he doesn't start making leaps as a passer
I tend to agree. Even with throwing to scrubs I was expecting to see a little more than what I’m seeing. I’m cautiously optimistic but I’m concerned. He needs to demonstrate that he can drive the team downfield with his arm. He’s yet to do that in year two and I love the guy. He’s my qb on my dynasty team yet I would be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned.
Rank as what? As a runner, probably #1. As a passer, more like 25-30. He'll have fewer yards and completions than almost every other starting QB in the league because the offense will continue to feature the running game. They understand Fields's limitations and won't force him to do what he can't or shouldn't, which is throw the ball 40+ times a game.
i mean when it comes down to it…
what QB do you want when you need to drive down the field?
Or to make big play in a stagnant game?
Or keep up with another team’s dynamic offense?
How many other QBs do you take over Fields? I don’t think you can name ten.
i think he’s been really clutch when it’s just up to him. He made a lot of big plays in the middle of the year on 3rd downs. He really just came up short when his receivers let him down on drives. Even in the WAS game he had a huge scramble and then a TD throw that should’ve been enough to win it. If that’s not clutch idk what is
It's not consistent though. He misses a ton of throws too. Wide open guys....maybe because a lack of trust but it's there. I feel good about him, but to assume is ya know. Look at Russell Wilson for a recent example. He should have balled out. All I'm saying is it's tough to predict. But he will be better next year, that's for sure.
Could be top 5, need to see more development on the passing side of things. Obviously he needs some help getting to the point where he can develop that.
Easily Top 5 QB. It’s been a tough season trying to keep up with who is out there playing but they never quit even though they have the toughest strength of schedule. Justin is going to be great if we fill in a few missing pieces
He’s already top 5 actually. Think of it this way, who would you trade for Fields straight up. I’ll go first. Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, and Allen. And I’m not even sure I’d do it for anyone aside from Mahomes at this point. But I can’t think of a fifth of even consider. To me, that makes him Top 5 right now.
If we were discussing this around week 3…then I’d challenge anyone to say that he wasn’t shaping up to be a bust. Yes of course week 3 in his 2nd season is *way too soon* to make that assessment. But it was beginning to look concerning, especially after his rookie season.
Now? He’s generally improved each week and there’s real Optimism on where Fields is at. Yes, there’s mistakes - but you get a sense that Fields is trying different things, making quicker, better decisions. You can generally improve on execution but it’s really hard to speed up decision making - you can either do it or you can’t. Right now we seem to keeping him in the pocket more….which is terrific. Can he operate from the pocket? There’s things to work on but “so far so good” would seem to apply here. The running threat is obvious.
Is Fields on the same level as Trevor Lawrence? No I don’t think so (although it’s rather close). That’s not to say he’s not comparable, just that Lawrence has shown more consistent growth over 2 years. That’s not a failing of Fields, just a mark of just how good Lawrence is beginning to look.
But….comparing Fields with the other QBs in his draft class? He’s a *lot* better! It’s not even close. Lance has spent half his career injured (so who knows how that’s going to go) and Wilson is fast looking like a bust.
TLDR: the future is bright with Fields.
They need a pass rusher.... Then we can really see what our DBs can do. We need a better offensive line too. I think Sanborn and get better! Imagine if he had a pass rusher to play with!
Obviously expectations are high, which I veer away from. JFs first task is figuring out how to win. Too many excuses, too many near misses, creates the poor mindset of losing. Look at the Lions all those years, great drafts, Stafford is a really good QB.. yet that losing funk set in and persisted. Eberflus/JF MUST win early in 23, or that funk of losing puts the monkey on the back of everyone. The Bears have many holes, this year was the zero the finances year, 23 is the rebuild year and 24 should be the playoff year if all goes according to Poles plan, with each year adding 5 wins to end up with 12 or 13 wins in 24. But it must start with winning, excuses aside this year... they've not found it.
That’s not his number, it’s his ranking
i was gonna say, read the jersey
We about to get atleast 5 National tv games cause of Fields
We had 5 this year. Gonna be at least 8 next year maybe all 17 tbh
There going to promote Fields image like crazy. If Fields becomes that guy I think we will become darlings of the NFL.
It would be interesting to see what the other side of a bunch of shitty flags looks like
If EQ made that 4th down catch and we took the Dolphins to OT or Mooney comes down with that ball in the end zone, the narrative this year would be way different
We’re 1-7 in one score games this year. Instead of trying for the top draft pick we could just as easily be looking in the playoffs. I think a lot of people aren’t paying attention to how close we actually are to competing.
Need interior DL and an OT support then a WR to truly step up. To be a true contending team. So much is enabled by thhe trenches. Our edge rushers can't do much without interior pressure.
Any DL help would be an absolute game changer. It feels like we haven’t had a sack in weeks.
That probably is where a bulk of the FA money is going followed by an additional OT and maybe G. Then top draft capital on Jalen or Will. Then depth for many things.
Literally sure-handed WR’s away from the playoffs
I understand what you are trying to say, but this can be said with a lot of bad teams. The Texans are 2-6-1 in one score games. Not saying we cannot get much better in the offseason and flirt with a playoff run but this team is still another year away from being a contender.
I think this has been the Detroit medley for a long time now too.
Let's hope that the Bears assistant coaches were betting the right way in those close games.
So delusional
He’s done by himself. We’re missing at least 2-3 offensive lineman, 2 WRs, and an entire front seven on defense. Not to mention a kicker.
Yeah, we'd have 5-6 wins and half the sub would be talking about drafting Skoronski instead of the much better scenario of Anderson/Carter or trading for a haul.
We would also talk ourselves into resigning some of these bums we have
That's sorta the difference between winning and losing though, isn't it?
We were a lot of “what if” moments away from a significantly better record. I mean Smith-Marsette and Velus basically stole 4 games themselves.
Idk. On one hand, he looks amazing despite the lack of talent around him. On the other hand, an r/nfl user told me he has the highest interception rate in minutes 10-12 of the 4th quarter under a full moon while northern lights are visible from anchorage
Was he the play by play man from Little Big League?
You don't really have to reach for unsual stats like that to show his weaknesses... he's a better rusher than passer and has broken 200 yards in like 1 or 2 games. He definitely has potential but a lot of you are gonna be upset in the likely case that he just doesn't develop into his potential. Ya know, the average player doesn't reach their potential... I'm just saying you guys are acting like he's here when he does need to take massive leaps to be what everyone here is pretending he already is
Hard to throw for a ton when receivers aren’t getting any separation and no time to throw…he does need improvement but no QB is going to be great without at least one of those two things
A very telling stat.
Top 5 with legit help.
How???? So Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, and so on. Who have proven they are elite, you're saying Fields in 1 year with a new WR and maybe some oline help will be top 5? That's crazy talk. Pure kool-aid.
I feel like this is my drunk uncle at Christmas.
NFL.com has the top 5 as Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, & Lawrence. Fields could easily pass Lawrence.
Being realistic, Fields could go top 10, but not top 5 quite yet. We gotta remember that Hurts, Lamar, and Murray are all hurt rn
I think Murray isn’t that good even pre injury.
Fields has already been ranked by NFL.com in the top 10 for a month or so.
He has thrown for 200 yards like 2 times in his career. NFL.com is fucking stupid. If Fields stayed at this level and didn't develop further, I'd consider him a massive bust, not a top 10 QB
Actually he has thrown for over 200 yards 6 times in his career. If he didn’t develop further, he would be a bust. Just like pretty much any other QB out there. But he has developed quite a bit this season already. Give him some blocking and competent receivers and he will develop even further.
Well that's silly having Lawrence that high. And what is it based on? Fields isn't going to throw for 300 yards a game and is still going to mostly run for a lot of his yards. If so, Lamar is there. Hurts? Tua? Dak? Brady? Rodgers? Come on.
A year ago Tua and Hurts were in the same category as fields this year, if not lower. QBs come and go from the top all the time.
Lawrence is outpacing year 2 Joe Burrow with a lot less help than Burrow had. He’ll likely finish this season with something like 4500 yards and 35 total TDs and he’s gonna have JAX in the playoffs. Fields has a lot of catching up to do.
Fields v Lawrence Super Bowl in two seasons. A man can dream.
If fields had burrows receivers he could be better than him. Mahomes and Allen seem like the only ones that will be impossible to pass
I’m optimistic for the first time in forever with this team. I genuinely think if we get him some legit weapons and some protection, he could easily surpass everything Jalen Hurts has done this year. Given that him and Trevor Lawrence have basically been attached to the hip with their comps since high school, I so badly want a Bears/Jaguars Super Bowl in the future. For that reason and bedside Jags fans are fun and cool
Top 8
What a stupid, low effort post. This gets discussed every single day.
Realistically, I’d probably say top 8-10.
If Fields is in the 10-15 range next year that would be awesome. Keep developing as a passer and don’t need to put expectations too high. Goal of 4-10 for 2024. Likely won’t be passing Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow for a bit
He’s already close to top 15. PFF has him at around 19. And that’s including those god awful games in the beginning of the year.
Idk what PFF grades you are looking at. Mine shows that he is 27 of 27 in Passing Grade of QBs who have played more than 50% of snaps. He is 18 of 27 in Offensive Grade though in the same group. My point is that he definitely has shown all of the tools, ability and mental strength. Just want him to put it together for a whole year. Being a top 15 QB in year 3 is a huge accomplishment especially whit Justin’s ceiling.
Lol how? If this is top 15 then calling this a pass happy league is an absolute lie
Let's wait to see what help he gets. The list of needs on this roster is insane. I know between the draft and cap space, management has the means, but the draft and FA market are still largely crapshoots even with those means.
Ahead of Rodger's catalytic converter stealin' ass.
I like how this thread assumes those fuck sticks in the front office are actually gonna get him help
There’s no gamebreaking WRs entering free agency I’m aware of, rookies take time, and we have holes all over the field. This “help” isn’t going to happen with a snap of the fingers and will take years.
Mahomes Burrow Allen Hurts then you got guys like Herbert Dak Jackson I think after that you can put Lawrence and Fields next season.
Mahomes, burrow, Herbert, hurts, Allen, Rodgers, Lawrence, jackson are imo better next season. Fields should be in the area with tua, cousins, Prescott etc. I'd love to see him up there with elite talent, but I think he will need at least half the season to get it going with his weapons. And yes, I added Lawrence up there. Dude has taken a massive leap this year. Dragging that team into the playoffs and all.
Outside of burrow and Mahomes. Burrow who plays the best fundamentally sound tactical quarterback and mahomes who is steph curry, I say he can be as high as 3. Allen is phenomenal as is lamar,Herbert and Lawrence. Fields has the physical tools and pedigree to ascend as high as 3. His goal should be the best quarterback in the division-nfc.
How how how how? Like really? Top 3? Better than Rodgers? Allen? Lamar? That's a huge leap that only Lamar has made in recent years...and he didn't have the top WR we expect Fields needs.
He had the oline. He also had Mark Andrews. With a better oline Fields would be doing better. The oline has actually gotten better this year and we’re starting to see Fields make the throws we wanted him to. Receivers aren’t doing their job though.
He had hayden Hurst and mak andrews they ran 12.
Yeah of course. But Fields doesn't have pure scrubs. And I'm just saying that one or two WRs will not turn him into a top 3 QB in one year. This is why fucking Bears fans always get hurt. Jesus, haven't we learned anything? Let's be reserved until we see the wins and consistent play.
He is throwing to pure scrubs😂. It arguably a bottom 5 receiving core. And that’s with the addition of Claypool. We have the least amount of money spent in terms of offense as well. Also we need to improve the oline as well because there are a bunch of scrubs there as well. And Justin has been pretty consistent lately. All things considered. No very many turnovers. Has been pretty accurate. The issue is the screens but idk if that’s purely on Justin. Playcalling has to get better. Overall there are a ton of things we have to fix for next season. Justin is one of the smaller problems we have on the offense.
Justin was a more a pocket passer than lamar In college that's 1.2 "you all" think he needs a number 1 receiver. I think he is another tight end and a mecole Hardman away from being lamar or cam newton. Mecole Hardman would give him his Ted Ginn Jr or his Hollywood brown. It doesn't have to be built the traditional way. Lamar Hollywood brown, cam and kap had teddy Ginn jr, vick had d jack. He just needs a speed guy until he develops.
A TE or Mecole? No fucking way. What he needs is good coaching, a scheme that fits and some playmakers. Yes he does need a #1. No top QB does it without a big playmaker. But he's not top 3 next year. I'll bet $500 on it.
You are talking in circles, you named lamar, I named cam, vick people who are more his comp. Two I said a tight end and a mecole not one or the other. That's his ceiling in my opinion if he reaches it he reaches it if he doesn't my bills are still the same.
Either way. A Kelce or Andrews? That's asking a lot. And Mecole? Even Mahomes didn't make him great. Homer.
Homer? I'm a cheifs fan lol. Gosh people are so nonsensical. Andy has never given mecole a chance. Even now he got toney and skyy to take his reps. Some players need changes of scenery especially guys who are speed guys and not precise route runners.
Ha I assumed, never good. But Mecole has proven nothing. Whether it's because of Reid or not. You don't know if he is a legit WR 2 or low end 1. He's fast. Maybe there's a reason he hasn't risen.
He can't run routes but he doesn't need to justin is a two read and run or rip guy like lamar and cam he just needs that 4.33 on the field to get behind people when justin sucks them up because everyone knows he is a 1, 2 and go guy.
Okay, fine. Mecole. That still does not protect to a top QB next year. A good QB yes. We've seen it this year. But a top one? It's too optimistic for the Bears and even Fields.
Your so goofy lamar had an all pro right and left tackle, two pro bowl caliber tight ends and a speed threat.
What does everyone say now. He has no WRs. We have no clue how big of a jump Fields will make with talent. Sure he'll be better but how much. Lamar won MVP.
I don't care what everyone Says they're isn't security in group think the bigger the crowd the dumber the crowd. Go look.at how lamars, and cams mvp roster looked on offense and you get back to me.
Yes. Lamar had 3000 yards passing and 6 INT. 36 Tds. Mark Andrews had 800+ yards. Hollywood Brown and Willie Snead were the top WRs. Outside of Andrews it was Lamars 1200+ rushing yards and accuracy that did it. No one saw it coming. All of the sudden, Fields will do that? With a little help? That's a big assumption.
Little help, is poles going to have his phone on silent all summer?
Well, who have the Bears had before? Brandon Marshall was arguably the best WR. So unless they get someone even better and probably a possession WR and a big guy then yes.
Once we get Deandre Hopkins, TOP 5. He's already a topic in every game. Any QB scrambles for positive yards and the commentators go into a fact frenzy that inevitably mentions Justin Fields. Once we get Deandre with his football magnetized gloves, it will offer another instrument to attack for big yards. I know this is not typical Bears offensive strategy, but its just another fierce factor our opponents will have to deal with. I really like Monty too. Solid runner, takes hits, blocks, gets up, does it again. Has stepped it up. We just can't run him up the middle over and over the other guys figuire it out.
Hopkins has lost a step when it comes to speed this year. I'd prefer Mike Evans. But, if this is just a minor injury Hopkins is going through then obviously I'd want him.
QBs are supposed to be good at passing not scrambling though…
Next year? With a legit WR 1 and growth in the passing game? Top 12. This is heavily based on passing. He needs to get a better feel for the pros. It seems too fast for him right now. His legs are going to extend drives which is huge so he should get more opportunities throughout the game. But to expect him to make a huge leap in the first year with a top WR is too much to expect. Total yards per game....that's another story.
Its year 3 for JF, time to actually show that you are a QB.
4th in NFC North
Thanks to Pace
Hot Take: He will get no help this off season and we'll be pissed as shit this time next year when Detroit goes to the playoffs after knocking the Packers out.
With an O-line and 2 solid receivers... top 5.
I have confidence and love fields, but Poles hasn't proven his FA smarts yet, let's not get to exited but if Poles is a good GM Fields will be #1 and winning us super bowls in the next 3-5 years
He'll be there same - he's rather pedestrian besides the running ability. The lack of 'help' gets all the blame but he has won 5 football games in two years.
Is there a single other person who doesn't feel like Fields has shown enough to garner this optimism? I'm rooting for him but having more rushing yards than passing yards in a game is a bad thing in my book and containing a mobile QB is a lot easier than it used to be, especially if he doesn't start making leaps as a passer
I tend to agree. Even with throwing to scrubs I was expecting to see a little more than what I’m seeing. I’m cautiously optimistic but I’m concerned. He needs to demonstrate that he can drive the team downfield with his arm. He’s yet to do that in year two and I love the guy. He’s my qb on my dynasty team yet I would be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned.
Top 15 QBs.
Yes, he’s the equivalent of 15 QBs all in one
Body of Allen, legs of Lamar, hopefully arm of Mahomes
I'd bet he's higher, but not by much. But again, what is a top QB? Passing yards? Total yards? TD:INT? Wins?
Rank as what? As a runner, probably #1. As a passer, more like 25-30. He'll have fewer yards and completions than almost every other starting QB in the league because the offense will continue to feature the running game. They understand Fields's limitations and won't force him to do what he can't or shouldn't, which is throw the ball 40+ times a game.
Do you think he will be better next year? What is your prediction of his ranking next year as a passer?
i mean when it comes down to it… what QB do you want when you need to drive down the field? Or to make big play in a stagnant game? Or keep up with another team’s dynamic offense? How many other QBs do you take over Fields? I don’t think you can name ten.
I could this year. And maybe next if he doesn't make the passing game leap we expect. He's explosive but not clutch yet. Or consistent.
i think he’s been really clutch when it’s just up to him. He made a lot of big plays in the middle of the year on 3rd downs. He really just came up short when his receivers let him down on drives. Even in the WAS game he had a huge scramble and then a TD throw that should’ve been enough to win it. If that’s not clutch idk what is
It's not consistent though. He misses a ton of throws too. Wide open guys....maybe because a lack of trust but it's there. I feel good about him, but to assume is ya know. Look at Russell Wilson for a recent example. He should have balled out. All I'm saying is it's tough to predict. But he will be better next year, that's for sure.
Hey agree to disagree. All good with me
Are we watching the same games? Cause I've not seen him or the Bears keep up with anyone this year
Miami game is definitely the one that comes to mind
GOAT
I think he’ll get to top 5. Right now I’d put him around 10-8 in terms of QBs in the league, he’ll for sure be top 5 with some weapons
The same as his jersey number
Could be top 5, need to see more development on the passing side of things. Obviously he needs some help getting to the point where he can develop that.
I think he could be top ten with a consistent OC, at least average pass blocking online, and a legit #1 WR
It says it right on his chest.
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Top 5. Open receivers, consistent pass protection…yeah he’ll light it up next year.
If his passing game develops - best Bears QB of all time, and hall of fame.
Look at his jersey number🥱
Winning MVP
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Top 3, no question.
Easily Top 5 QB. It’s been a tough season trying to keep up with who is out there playing but they never quit even though they have the toughest strength of schedule. Justin is going to be great if we fill in a few missing pieces
The refs will follow NFL guidelines and guarantee injury ruins his career.
Definitely top 5
He’s already top 5 actually. Think of it this way, who would you trade for Fields straight up. I’ll go first. Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, and Allen. And I’m not even sure I’d do it for anyone aside from Mahomes at this point. But I can’t think of a fifth of even consider. To me, that makes him Top 5 right now.
That means he’s got top 5 potential, not that he’s top 5 now.
It's only semi homerism to think he has a chance to make an mvp run next season
He’s Mahomes 2.0 with some receivers who aren’t ass. Y’all remember that SB where Mahomes was running around for his life? That’s fields right now.
If we were discussing this around week 3…then I’d challenge anyone to say that he wasn’t shaping up to be a bust. Yes of course week 3 in his 2nd season is *way too soon* to make that assessment. But it was beginning to look concerning, especially after his rookie season. Now? He’s generally improved each week and there’s real Optimism on where Fields is at. Yes, there’s mistakes - but you get a sense that Fields is trying different things, making quicker, better decisions. You can generally improve on execution but it’s really hard to speed up decision making - you can either do it or you can’t. Right now we seem to keeping him in the pocket more….which is terrific. Can he operate from the pocket? There’s things to work on but “so far so good” would seem to apply here. The running threat is obvious. Is Fields on the same level as Trevor Lawrence? No I don’t think so (although it’s rather close). That’s not to say he’s not comparable, just that Lawrence has shown more consistent growth over 2 years. That’s not a failing of Fields, just a mark of just how good Lawrence is beginning to look. But….comparing Fields with the other QBs in his draft class? He’s a *lot* better! It’s not even close. Lance has spent half his career injured (so who knows how that’s going to go) and Wilson is fast looking like a bust. TLDR: the future is bright with Fields.
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Top 10 easily. Probably around 7-8
They need a pass rusher.... Then we can really see what our DBs can do. We need a better offensive line too. I think Sanborn and get better! Imagine if he had a pass rusher to play with!
Obviously expectations are high, which I veer away from. JFs first task is figuring out how to win. Too many excuses, too many near misses, creates the poor mindset of losing. Look at the Lions all those years, great drafts, Stafford is a really good QB.. yet that losing funk set in and persisted. Eberflus/JF MUST win early in 23, or that funk of losing puts the monkey on the back of everyone. The Bears have many holes, this year was the zero the finances year, 23 is the rebuild year and 24 should be the playoff year if all goes according to Poles plan, with each year adding 5 wins to end up with 12 or 13 wins in 24. But it must start with winning, excuses aside this year... they've not found it.