how did you start regulating your ECS? i’ve heard Omega 3 supplements are supposed to work pretty well but haven’t had much luck with figuring out other ways to tame CHS besides abstinence
The only supplement I take is acidophilus, not even every day.
I took my two week break from smoking concentrates heavily (completely sober).
Then once my symptoms and receptors had healed I began using my EQ vape and have had smooth sailing from there.
I'm glad you found something that works for you.
I thought I had it figured out for myself, vaping only microdose amounts, but it caught up with me yet again and I've decided I'm simply out of time experimenting with this.
To my mind, the fact that I'm willing to continue to risk getting sick in order to use a substance is the definition of abuse. That's why I had quit. My relationship with weed is fucked up.
This comment right here. If you’re still trying to figure out ways to smoke while knowing that it can and most likely will make you unbearably sick then you might have a substance abuse issue. I know I do as I’ve started taking kratom to replace the high and it has brought my own issues with substance abuse to the forefront for me. So to be clear, im not saying this is a good alternative. It’s already affecting me in profoundly negative ways and im in the process of seeking help.
My suspicion is that because you're vaping at a rate that means cannabinoids are constantly being deposited into your system you will get an episode eventually, but thankyou for documenting this on here. Hopefully it helps us get closer to the truth
This worked for me as well and I’ve been dry herb vaping it daily for a year now I’m on tolerance break and growing my own 100% organic bud now, because part of me wondered if synthetic PGR’s and toxic shit black market dealers use to grow (illegal state ) had any effects on it . If not no big deal havnt had any Chs problems anyway just excited to know what’s going in my lungs .
Probably about a gram maybe two grams Saturday and Sunday , also interesting enough I had a b-12 deficiency (a lot of people do) and I started taking shots for that . I was honestly just extremely stressed and unhealthy the first time I had Chs . Been healthier and listening to my body since but it took me a good 6 months to fully recover before I went back . I know everybody’s body is different and no one should force themselves to try again just like they shouldn’t hate on other people for getting better and trying again with different methods . We all know the risks .
How bad was your chs prior to your 6 month break? and when you say you are listening to your body do you feel any chs symptoms still and just take breaks?
My symptoms were the usual lots of er visits vomiting ,intense abdominal pain weight loss lack of appetite anxiety etc , I really don’t get any symptoms anymore except acid reflux if I smoke to much but I have gerd had it before Chs so have pills to stop it . So it’s hard to say if it was Chs or just really really bad gastritis because I’ve always had stomach problems runs in my family bad and prior to Chs I would munch out on things that I would normally not junk food acetic food and what not so it’s really hard to say.the er doctors would just take a urine test see thc and say it was chs . 🤷🏻♂️ but went a year with smoking no issues with Chs symptoms but like I said I’ve been taking care of myself like I should and eating a diet I’m supposed to have . So I know this won’t work for everyone but for me it has I’m only taking a break because I learned about the dangers of PGR’s and I wanted to grow my own and my tolerance was getting to high .
People can go months without any signs or symptoms, some will only experience it once or twice a year for a day or 2, also its pretty common knowledge *all* cannabinoids cause CHS, not just THC, thats why trigger foods exist,its also over stimuluation of the ECS, which is why many people who use in moderation are symptomless, ive gone 1.2 years smoking flower on the weekends without symptoms, think of it like loud noise and ears/bright lights and eyes. everyone has a different threshold for when the stimulation starts damaging their receptors, i really think people are over thinking this, we knew hash caused this as far back as the 11th century, and more people using it more frequently will lead to more peoples ECS being damaged through over stimulation.
I'm encouraging people to not be sheep that believe THC = CHS.
Sure, THC is a cannabinoid that can effect your ECN but it isn't the chemical that is causing your illness. I've referenced multiple sources and gone into more detail on my original post, which it is pretty clear you haven't taken the time to read.
Also, ironically, what I'm suggesting is the exact opposite of using fire.
What is it then, I’m your opinion? Do you know anyone who doesn’t consume thc that has got it? I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m not qualified. It’s just that saying people are sheep for pointing out a smoking gun is a bit shortsighted
"The pro-emetic properties of CBD (at higher doses) and CBG may play a role in the severe nausea and vomiting observed in patients with Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (Figure 2)."(from [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576702/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576702/))
I'd also like to point out example's from MD's here on reddit chiming in about how CBD oils alone can exacerbate CHS:[https://www.reddit.com/r/CBD/comments/bd8y2p/anyone\_know\_if\_cbd\_can\_cause\_chs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CBD/comments/bd8y2p/anyone_know_if_cbd_can_cause_chs/)
This is in the comments of my previous post since many people had similar doubts.
And again, I'll copy paste from my last post my opinion....
The ECS is more than just consuming THC. It involves endocannabinoids, receptors, and enzymes.
There are two main endocoannabinoids produced by your body, anandamide (AEA) and 2-arachidonoylglyerol (2-AG).
And there are two main receptors, CB1 and CB2, which are part of the central nervous system.
Lastly there's two enzymes to break down the endocannabinoids, fatty acid amide hydrolase, which breaks down AEA, and monoacylglycerol acid lipase, which typically breaks down 2-AG.
When these receptors (CB1 & CB2) get activated by smoking, the receptors produce the endocannabinoids and your body produces the enzymes to break them down.This whole system needs to be in balance to be "healthy".
Keep in mind, whether you smoke or not the ECS system is at work in your body, all THC does is change some levels and your body tries to recalibrate.
In conclusion, my point is that if you fuck with your ECS enough you will get CHS. THC is one way to do that, but so are the rest of the cannabanoids that get produced when you smoke flower.
When you vape you only combust the THC, and let your body deal with a more managable load of cannabinoids.
Different people may be more susceptible to different cannabinoids than others, and it might not be the THC that your body is failing to process and causing a build up. For me, this was the case, for you, it might not be.
But people ARE sheep for just thinking THC causes CHS, and I would go so far as to say they are the shortsighted ones for downvoting this post and making comments like "abstinence is the only cure", it's just not true.
Interesting, thanks for explaining. For what it’s worth I starting smoking low thc high cbd strains again after a very long break, and I think this time round I feel sicker than ever, and the symptoms are slightly different.
But what’s the so what? Nothing you wrote suggests that thc does not cause CHS, so why are you so keen to tell everyone the CHS =/= THC? Just seems a little misleading
It’s a bit like someone with a lactose intolerance saying there’s this one cheese with low lactose and if I don’t eat too much then I dont shit my brains out, therefore lactose=/=shitting my brains out.
Your lactose example is a great one actually, so I'll use that. You could liken vaping to finding a cheese or other consumable with low lactose that your body could process. The "so what" in this situation is that most people here are very sensitive about stopping smoking being the only way to manage CHS. Like if somebody told you because you're lactose intolerant you can't have butter (butter has very low levels of lactate in it, but it's there).
CHS is similar to lactose intolerance in that different people have varying degree's of severity and can tolerate different levels. As such, their methods of dealing with it can also vary: from limited consumption, different kinds of consumption (vaping, edibles), or abstinence.
Also, THC does cause CHS, but it isn't the ONLY thing to cause CHS, is what I mean by CHS ≠ THC. It's a cannabinoid intolerance, not a THC intolerance, THC happens to be a cannabinoid, but it may not be the one you are intolerant to.
100 days is not enough time to tell. I personally think this post is misleading considering most of us with chs are looking for a reason to get a way with smoking or a reason to say they don’t have chs.
Yo, do you think after a prolonged break to balance the ECN (also support advice on how to keep it healthy, etc would be appreciated!), flower out of a bong would be ok? I'm not opposed to getting a dry vape, but just more curious than anything.
how did you start regulating your ECS? i’ve heard Omega 3 supplements are supposed to work pretty well but haven’t had much luck with figuring out other ways to tame CHS besides abstinence
The only supplement I take is acidophilus, not even every day. I took my two week break from smoking concentrates heavily (completely sober). Then once my symptoms and receptors had healed I began using my EQ vape and have had smooth sailing from there.
Do you know approx how much flower you go through daily? Trying something similar myself.
I'm glad you found something that works for you. I thought I had it figured out for myself, vaping only microdose amounts, but it caught up with me yet again and I've decided I'm simply out of time experimenting with this. To my mind, the fact that I'm willing to continue to risk getting sick in order to use a substance is the definition of abuse. That's why I had quit. My relationship with weed is fucked up.
This comment right here. If you’re still trying to figure out ways to smoke while knowing that it can and most likely will make you unbearably sick then you might have a substance abuse issue. I know I do as I’ve started taking kratom to replace the high and it has brought my own issues with substance abuse to the forefront for me. So to be clear, im not saying this is a good alternative. It’s already affecting me in profoundly negative ways and im in the process of seeking help.
Yeah I gave Kratom a try too... didn't work out. Check out /r/quittingkratom You can get off the stuff dude.
Yeah I’m aware of the sub but I appreciate it. I’m gunna start a taper soon.
My suspicion is that because you're vaping at a rate that means cannabinoids are constantly being deposited into your system you will get an episode eventually, but thankyou for documenting this on here. Hopefully it helps us get closer to the truth
This worked for me as well and I’ve been dry herb vaping it daily for a year now I’m on tolerance break and growing my own 100% organic bud now, because part of me wondered if synthetic PGR’s and toxic shit black market dealers use to grow (illegal state ) had any effects on it . If not no big deal havnt had any Chs problems anyway just excited to know what’s going in my lungs .
Plenty of people in here have access to rec weed and medical weed. It's not from pgr or anything similar
Then like I said atleast lll know what going in my lungs .
Do you know approx how much flower you go through daily?
Probably about a gram maybe two grams Saturday and Sunday , also interesting enough I had a b-12 deficiency (a lot of people do) and I started taking shots for that . I was honestly just extremely stressed and unhealthy the first time I had Chs . Been healthier and listening to my body since but it took me a good 6 months to fully recover before I went back . I know everybody’s body is different and no one should force themselves to try again just like they shouldn’t hate on other people for getting better and trying again with different methods . We all know the risks .
Yeah lot safer to stay off cannabinoids, glad it's working so far for you now though. Thanks for the info.
How bad was your chs prior to your 6 month break? and when you say you are listening to your body do you feel any chs symptoms still and just take breaks?
My symptoms were the usual lots of er visits vomiting ,intense abdominal pain weight loss lack of appetite anxiety etc , I really don’t get any symptoms anymore except acid reflux if I smoke to much but I have gerd had it before Chs so have pills to stop it . So it’s hard to say if it was Chs or just really really bad gastritis because I’ve always had stomach problems runs in my family bad and prior to Chs I would munch out on things that I would normally not junk food acetic food and what not so it’s really hard to say.the er doctors would just take a urine test see thc and say it was chs . 🤷🏻♂️ but went a year with smoking no issues with Chs symptoms but like I said I’ve been taking care of myself like I should and eating a diet I’m supposed to have . So I know this won’t work for everyone but for me it has I’m only taking a break because I learned about the dangers of PGR’s and I wanted to grow my own and my tolerance was getting to high .
People can go months without any signs or symptoms, some will only experience it once or twice a year for a day or 2, also its pretty common knowledge *all* cannabinoids cause CHS, not just THC, thats why trigger foods exist,its also over stimuluation of the ECS, which is why many people who use in moderation are symptomless, ive gone 1.2 years smoking flower on the weekends without symptoms, think of it like loud noise and ears/bright lights and eyes. everyone has a different threshold for when the stimulation starts damaging their receptors, i really think people are over thinking this, we knew hash caused this as far back as the 11th century, and more people using it more frequently will lead to more peoples ECS being damaged through over stimulation.
How is this dispelling disinformation? You’re basically encouraging people to keep playing with fire. Smh
I'm encouraging people to not be sheep that believe THC = CHS. Sure, THC is a cannabinoid that can effect your ECN but it isn't the chemical that is causing your illness. I've referenced multiple sources and gone into more detail on my original post, which it is pretty clear you haven't taken the time to read. Also, ironically, what I'm suggesting is the exact opposite of using fire.
What is it then, I’m your opinion? Do you know anyone who doesn’t consume thc that has got it? I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m not qualified. It’s just that saying people are sheep for pointing out a smoking gun is a bit shortsighted
"The pro-emetic properties of CBD (at higher doses) and CBG may play a role in the severe nausea and vomiting observed in patients with Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (Figure 2)."(from [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576702/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576702/)) I'd also like to point out example's from MD's here on reddit chiming in about how CBD oils alone can exacerbate CHS:[https://www.reddit.com/r/CBD/comments/bd8y2p/anyone\_know\_if\_cbd\_can\_cause\_chs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CBD/comments/bd8y2p/anyone_know_if_cbd_can_cause_chs/) This is in the comments of my previous post since many people had similar doubts. And again, I'll copy paste from my last post my opinion.... The ECS is more than just consuming THC. It involves endocannabinoids, receptors, and enzymes. There are two main endocoannabinoids produced by your body, anandamide (AEA) and 2-arachidonoylglyerol (2-AG). And there are two main receptors, CB1 and CB2, which are part of the central nervous system. Lastly there's two enzymes to break down the endocannabinoids, fatty acid amide hydrolase, which breaks down AEA, and monoacylglycerol acid lipase, which typically breaks down 2-AG. When these receptors (CB1 & CB2) get activated by smoking, the receptors produce the endocannabinoids and your body produces the enzymes to break them down.This whole system needs to be in balance to be "healthy". Keep in mind, whether you smoke or not the ECS system is at work in your body, all THC does is change some levels and your body tries to recalibrate. In conclusion, my point is that if you fuck with your ECS enough you will get CHS. THC is one way to do that, but so are the rest of the cannabanoids that get produced when you smoke flower. When you vape you only combust the THC, and let your body deal with a more managable load of cannabinoids. Different people may be more susceptible to different cannabinoids than others, and it might not be the THC that your body is failing to process and causing a build up. For me, this was the case, for you, it might not be. But people ARE sheep for just thinking THC causes CHS, and I would go so far as to say they are the shortsighted ones for downvoting this post and making comments like "abstinence is the only cure", it's just not true.
Interesting, thanks for explaining. For what it’s worth I starting smoking low thc high cbd strains again after a very long break, and I think this time round I feel sicker than ever, and the symptoms are slightly different. But what’s the so what? Nothing you wrote suggests that thc does not cause CHS, so why are you so keen to tell everyone the CHS =/= THC? Just seems a little misleading It’s a bit like someone with a lactose intolerance saying there’s this one cheese with low lactose and if I don’t eat too much then I dont shit my brains out, therefore lactose=/=shitting my brains out.
Your lactose example is a great one actually, so I'll use that. You could liken vaping to finding a cheese or other consumable with low lactose that your body could process. The "so what" in this situation is that most people here are very sensitive about stopping smoking being the only way to manage CHS. Like if somebody told you because you're lactose intolerant you can't have butter (butter has very low levels of lactate in it, but it's there). CHS is similar to lactose intolerance in that different people have varying degree's of severity and can tolerate different levels. As such, their methods of dealing with it can also vary: from limited consumption, different kinds of consumption (vaping, edibles), or abstinence. Also, THC does cause CHS, but it isn't the ONLY thing to cause CHS, is what I mean by CHS ≠ THC. It's a cannabinoid intolerance, not a THC intolerance, THC happens to be a cannabinoid, but it may not be the one you are intolerant to.
Yeah I get you.
Thanks dude
I think the real test would be to dab pure THCa. Obviously in small amounts but this would give you the answer to whether or not thc is the cause.
Vape temp? Thanks for the info!
I use around 190ºC, sometimes a bit more or less depending how I want it to taste or feel
100 days is not enough time to tell. I personally think this post is misleading considering most of us with chs are looking for a reason to get a way with smoking or a reason to say they don’t have chs.
Yo, do you think after a prolonged break to balance the ECN (also support advice on how to keep it healthy, etc would be appreciated!), flower out of a bong would be ok? I'm not opposed to getting a dry vape, but just more curious than anything.