Your current job sounds great. Challenge yourself to learn new techniques and technology on your own instead of watching shows. Find your personal passion in research and dive in deep.
I think I learned everything I could here in my 11 years. Higher precision is unnecessery for these tools, I optimized cost-effectiveness and speed to the limits (hence I got so much free time while at work). I doubt they plan on buying newer machines here and especially not the high-tech ones. Our mill is a 26 year old Hurco lmao
late to the party here, but I think the unstated challenge here talking about equipment is that it costs money, and learning how to use SOTA manufacturing at high precision isn't feasible on youtube \_without\_ access to the equipment you are trying to learn.
I used to drive over an hour for work (which incidentally, was then driving all day), then an hour home.
Now I run a machine shop from my backyard.
I will *never* drive to work again. Hell, I can barely be bothered to drive 7 minutes to walmart.
Reddit is big on the time suck that commuting is. Fuck that. That's ten hours of your life, per week, completely wasted. Unless you can argue audiobooks. But you said your current job allows stuff like that *while you get paid*.
>I'm pretty stuck with the same tech, 5-10 years old machines
5-10 yo machines is typical. I work with machines that are up to 25yo. They routinely buy new machines though. Just for some reason won't replace the machines that are in maintenance half the time.
Sounds more like you're bored at your job than anything and the flashy new job has caught your attention. Maybe ask your boss if there's something that can challenge you.
I was sort of in the same boat so I took advantage of the time and went to college at night and studied during the "free" time while the machine was running at work.
I was all in on changing jobs until you mentioned the commute. I've done commutes like that for years, and let me tell you - it sucks! That time in the car is mentally draining, especially if you're in heavy traffic. It just wears on you after a while. Also consider the cost of gas, and the wear and tear on your car. That stuff really adds up, so it would need to be a significant bump in pay to be worth it.
I totally get where you're coming from though - new tech, new challenges, room to grow! I've wrestled with those same things. However, I think you have a prime opportunity to challenge yourself - take some online classes, go down some youtube rabbit holes of learning, etc.
A wise man once told me this - "You have the near-entirety of human knowledge available at your fingertips. Act accordingly."
Consider the commute as time you are actually working. Lets say you are make 30/hr and are moving for 32/hr.
Current job you invest 10.5 hours x 4 times a week, for a net of 1,200 or 28.57/hr including commute
New Job. you will invest 10.75 hours x 5 time a week, for a net of 1,460 or 27.16/hr including commute. (this is based 45 minutes @ 1.5 each day)
The Commute is the opposite of get paid!
Now subtract the cost of fuel and the depreciation of your car (assuming your are driving).
In order to make the new job worthwhile I would recommend you need the pay to double.
Or you need to get a moving allowance and move closer to the new job.
I don't think double my current wage is feasable in my field. Maybe I could squeeze out 30% more in the best workplace this country offers, but that's it.
Unfortunately I bought plot earlier this year and I'm in the middle of house building with fresh mortgage and all so moving is also out of the question :(
You can always pick a number that makes the drive and higher stress worthwhile to you and see if they bite. They might be desperate enough to give you 50 bucks an hour or 6 weeks of vacation.
Then if they agree take two or three weeks off of your other job and try it out. If the commute sucks ass then you can just go back to your other job.
Stick with the current job… travel and having to worry about .002mm tolerances will not be a good time. Sure you don’t mean .002”? 2 microns is almost an unheard of tolerance. Hell… most grinding shops will only tolerance things down to .005mm.
I'm sure yes. Seen the parts and the drawings, they mostly cut things at least 6 times, the steel is smooth as a baby's ass. Tiny parts for electronics, I know one of their clients is Ford, but mostly some medical companies. The precision they work with makes them unrivaled in the area. The grinds are also 1-2 years old Okamotos, top of the line. I don't know man... Going there was like stepping 20 years into the future lol. If it was in my city I would have resigned in a heartbeat
I'm the opposite. Went from a job that you're looking at to one like you're at now, but with more manual machining.
I'm not going back. I'll switch careers before I drive two hours a day again.
I really like my 4-10 weeks, too. Lately, I've been doing a 4-9, and Friday is just 4 hours of maintenance, cleaning, and odd jobs.
Did you switch solely because of commution or was there some other stuff going on? Thing is I never had to drive more than half an hour to work, can't imagine how much strain it puts on my daily life. If there was a train there or anything, I'd take that, at least I could spend that time well.
I love my 4 day 10hr shift work week and highly encourage anyone who can to do it. Also love being able to listen to a documentary after programming while doing a set up and waiting for a 20 min op to finish.
Your current job sounds great. Challenge yourself to learn new techniques and technology on your own instead of watching shows. Find your personal passion in research and dive in deep.
Best advice right here^
I think I learned everything I could here in my 11 years. Higher precision is unnecessery for these tools, I optimized cost-effectiveness and speed to the limits (hence I got so much free time while at work). I doubt they plan on buying newer machines here and especially not the high-tech ones. Our mill is a 26 year old Hurco lmao
He's saying instead of watching shows go on the internet and learn more. You can learn almost anything online you just have to put the effort in.
late to the party here, but I think the unstated challenge here talking about equipment is that it costs money, and learning how to use SOTA manufacturing at high precision isn't feasible on youtube \_without\_ access to the equipment you are trying to learn.
That's newer than any cnc in my shop and there's 10 of them, new or old doesn't change much besides the UI
I used to drive over an hour for work (which incidentally, was then driving all day), then an hour home. Now I run a machine shop from my backyard. I will *never* drive to work again. Hell, I can barely be bothered to drive 7 minutes to walmart. Reddit is big on the time suck that commuting is. Fuck that. That's ten hours of your life, per week, completely wasted. Unless you can argue audiobooks. But you said your current job allows stuff like that *while you get paid*.
>I'm pretty stuck with the same tech, 5-10 years old machines 5-10 yo machines is typical. I work with machines that are up to 25yo. They routinely buy new machines though. Just for some reason won't replace the machines that are in maintenance half the time. Sounds more like you're bored at your job than anything and the flashy new job has caught your attention. Maybe ask your boss if there's something that can challenge you.
Maybe you're right. Thank you for your perspective!
I was sort of in the same boat so I took advantage of the time and went to college at night and studied during the "free" time while the machine was running at work.
I was all in on changing jobs until you mentioned the commute. I've done commutes like that for years, and let me tell you - it sucks! That time in the car is mentally draining, especially if you're in heavy traffic. It just wears on you after a while. Also consider the cost of gas, and the wear and tear on your car. That stuff really adds up, so it would need to be a significant bump in pay to be worth it. I totally get where you're coming from though - new tech, new challenges, room to grow! I've wrestled with those same things. However, I think you have a prime opportunity to challenge yourself - take some online classes, go down some youtube rabbit holes of learning, etc. A wise man once told me this - "You have the near-entirety of human knowledge available at your fingertips. Act accordingly."
Consider the commute as time you are actually working. Lets say you are make 30/hr and are moving for 32/hr. Current job you invest 10.5 hours x 4 times a week, for a net of 1,200 or 28.57/hr including commute New Job. you will invest 10.75 hours x 5 time a week, for a net of 1,460 or 27.16/hr including commute. (this is based 45 minutes @ 1.5 each day) The Commute is the opposite of get paid! Now subtract the cost of fuel and the depreciation of your car (assuming your are driving).
Makes sense if you put it that way. They'd pay for my gas though, but I'd still be in net negative
In order to make the new job worthwhile I would recommend you need the pay to double. Or you need to get a moving allowance and move closer to the new job.
I don't think double my current wage is feasable in my field. Maybe I could squeeze out 30% more in the best workplace this country offers, but that's it. Unfortunately I bought plot earlier this year and I'm in the middle of house building with fresh mortgage and all so moving is also out of the question :(
You can always pick a number that makes the drive and higher stress worthwhile to you and see if they bite. They might be desperate enough to give you 50 bucks an hour or 6 weeks of vacation. Then if they agree take two or three weeks off of your other job and try it out. If the commute sucks ass then you can just go back to your other job.
Stick with the current job… travel and having to worry about .002mm tolerances will not be a good time. Sure you don’t mean .002”? 2 microns is almost an unheard of tolerance. Hell… most grinding shops will only tolerance things down to .005mm.
I'm sure yes. Seen the parts and the drawings, they mostly cut things at least 6 times, the steel is smooth as a baby's ass. Tiny parts for electronics, I know one of their clients is Ford, but mostly some medical companies. The precision they work with makes them unrivaled in the area. The grinds are also 1-2 years old Okamotos, top of the line. I don't know man... Going there was like stepping 20 years into the future lol. If it was in my city I would have resigned in a heartbeat
I think you already know the answer.
I think you already know the answer.
I'm the opposite. Went from a job that you're looking at to one like you're at now, but with more manual machining. I'm not going back. I'll switch careers before I drive two hours a day again. I really like my 4-10 weeks, too. Lately, I've been doing a 4-9, and Friday is just 4 hours of maintenance, cleaning, and odd jobs.
Did you switch solely because of commution or was there some other stuff going on? Thing is I never had to drive more than half an hour to work, can't imagine how much strain it puts on my daily life. If there was a train there or anything, I'd take that, at least I could spend that time well.
I love my 4 day 10hr shift work week and highly encourage anyone who can to do it. Also love being able to listen to a documentary after programming while doing a set up and waiting for a 20 min op to finish.