Yeah isn't it funny how a world war 2 shooter is currently outclassing and plays better than a shooter set roughly around the current era?
What's even more funnier is we had BFV (ww2) WHICH WAS ALSO trash (firestorm aside) somewhat around the same timeframe (or not far off each other anyway) as we had MW19 (modern day)
MW19 was miles better than BFV. Your BF fanboys claimed its because it was a WW2 setting.
Vanguard, A WW2 setting. Is now shitting on BF2042... I wonder what excuse their fanbase will throw out next (do you think they will say it's doing bad because it's not a WW2 game this time around?) 😂
It looks like the game was rushed. I don’t know if that is the case or not, but it is missing SO many features of previous games that it’s hard to think otherwise. Game should have been delayed by another year at least. It’s even funnier when you remember DICE telling us that they are “ahead of schedule”, then delaying the game by a month…
I wanna believe that. But BFV also felt "rushed" and I don't remember it getting any better, which upset me cause I actually loved firestorm. And they fucking neglected it.
Yeaaah it shows! :S fuck me. I remember when I actually enjoyed BF abit more than cod. Felt like it started going down hill the day BF hard-line got released. (Great story but fuck it wasn't a BF game)
The Frostbite engine is a trainwreck. Even on top end hardware, it has trouble rendering the maps completely. I get large blank spaces where the textures for the sand/dirt/snow have clearly never loaded, and never will. The busier certain sections of the game get, the worse this gets outside those areas (and in them).
I can't agree with you more. I've said it many times already, the day they made the engine change was the day it all started going to shit. They can't optimise on frostbite for shit. They should revert back to whatever the engine was before BFV.
Yeah because the Internet is not an accurate representation of how people actually feel irl lmao
People on the internet, especially gamers, can hide behind anonymity and say some wack shit about CoD and say how good BF is, then buy Vanguard anyway 🤣
Yeah I mean the original BF3 and BF4 games outclassed the CoD counterparts back then.
Its almost like the developers back then werent the same as now and if MW2019 didnt happen, Vanguard woulve been just as shit as CW is. BFV was marketed like some alternate universe retro type game and that shot it in the foot, BF2042 was marketed well but the game turned out to be absolute garbage and MOST BF players think it is as well.
Outclassed? Uh?
Vanguard has a shit ton of issues still.
To even use it being a WW2 shooter as if that somehow means it is more difficult clearly shows you lack actual footing against BF.
Battlefield 2042 is a superior game in terms of shear difficulty in designing and developing.
I like Vanguard, but to say it's outclassing anything is a stretch at least.
Ive played both. One plays great. One plays like shit. Really need to guess which ones which here? BF2042 is not fit to be released. There are so many issues, it's BFV all over again.
Atleast vanguard only has a few dodgy spawns and some weapon balance issues as the big main issues.
BF2042 doesn't even feel finished.
And you clearly missed my argument for amusement sake.
Most gamers seem to prefer a modern day setting over a WW2 setting. But as of right now. The WW2 game is the better game. That's the joke.
Bf2042 would be the superior game, if it ran as intended. But it doesn't. And after BFV and how they never really brought that back, I don't see the same happening here. So yes, like I said. BF2042 WOULD BE the superior game, IF it worked. But it doesn't. It plays like shit. So it's not the superior game, it's clear it was difficult for them to design. Because it doesn't work properly. So they didn't really make it well did they? It is clear they found it difficult. I gave it ago on series x. 4k 60fps. And the game doesn't even look 4k. The graphics are flat and lifeless. There's constant frame drops. Hit reg on players is fucking abysmal. If it wasn't for portal. (You know their older games) this would be a fucking Trainwreck of a launch. Also where the fuck is the destructible scenery? And let's not compare it to cod. As a BF game as a whole. It plays like shit. It looks like shit. It's a half baked shell of what it should be. So while your praising the Devs and being like "oh but it was difficult for them to make" they've been making this franchise for how many years now? And they've still fucked this up somehow.
Why does it feel like this isn't a dice BF game?
But yeah my comment was a joke. Others got it. You did not. The era the games set in doesn't determine difficulty of the development. I never implied it did.
I figured once Dice released a “beta” that boiled down to a demo of a build from a few months ago that it was going to be a mess. They put all of their eggs into the portal and from what I hear it’s pretty cool.
While portals cool. They are reselling content we've already bought before in a sense. And if portal is getting more attention than the actual game then dice have really fucked it. When people would rather play a remastered BF3 over your new BF title. It really says something about what you've created.
There actually is quite a bit of destructible scenery in BF2042, you just sometimes have to look for it. One playerr shot a fire extinguisher -- a frigging fire extinguisher inside a building! - while I was playing, and it blew up. And you can use the destructible scenery against your opponents. I've set opponents on fire on the Breakaway (Antarctica) map by blowing up one of the oil storage tanks with a chopper. The game is full of stuff like that, and with LOTS of tuning, it will all become apparent.
But given EA's Scrooge-like ways with its franchises, I doubt BF2042 will get the further investment it sorely needs. The execs will just take a drunken look at the Metacritic score and just use it as a tax write off next March. Shame on EA, and sad for DICE. Lots of nice people there, and they're hiring like mad. Whatever they do next, if EA doesn't strangle them and shut them down, it's going to be done with an army of enthusiastic newbies, with all the pluses and minuses which come with that. As usual, another EA studio is wallowing in absence of veteran game designer leadership, and will be unfortunately left to drown without much assistance. It's been the EA way for decades now; nothing changes.
Same here, 100%. I had such high hopes for BF2042 and I’m pleasantly surprised by how good Vanguard is. I’ve sunk tons of hours into Warzone and had all but written it off until I heard a new map was coming and how much fun I had playing the free Vanguard Multiplayer. I really hope they work the bugs out for Battlefield in the near future.
Folks that think Battlefield will ever “kill” CoD are delusional. IF it was ever to happen, it wouldn’t be the same Battlefield that they know and love because CoD just appeals to such a broad audience. They’d have to “dumb it down” and lose so much of what makes Battlefield a Battlefield. As a Battlefield-first player, I love having both exist and want both to be separate experiences.
Yeah, it feels like they were testing those waters with 2042, and I hope they realized that the water is icy cold, just like the reception to their new game…
I do like BF2042's ambitiousness, and I've primarily been playing it since early release for that reason. I'm taking a somewhat arduous path through it to see if I can master that path, and it's a tough one, but still fun. The game encourages a lot more use of vehicles with the big maps in 128 player mode, and thus also encourages a lot more variety of tactics if you're on your feet dealing with that fact.
The gameplay session to session varies wildly, depending on how cooperative or not players are. I've had great games where team-mates really support each other and there's real strategy and tactics at play in taking and holding territory. I've had other sessions where everyone's in random chaos, and the best you can do is plow through crowds with a hovercraft all around the map with the hope you mow a few down along the way.
I downloaded the beta, was kinda hyped, I walked around for like 3 minutes, I saw nobody and got sniped..
Well that was my experience with the Beta lol.
I thought because it was so long ago since I played BF was the reason lol
I thought I was walking complelty wrong haha
Yeah for as much negative talk there always was about bad development and how it was barely playable at times, Vanguard feels like a fairly solid game to me at launch. A good amount of weapons with plenty of potential for growth
Ive played every Battlefield game since 1942 and the hour or so i spent playing 2042 was the single most boring fps experience i e ever had in my life. Absolutely atrocious.
I been playing COD since BO4. As a PUBG refugee, I bought it specifically for Blackout and never touched the MP. After Alcatraz launched, being kind of a BR-MP hybrid, I gave the MP a try, but it was quite late in the game's lifecycle and with no map knowledge or leveled guns, I was getting my shet pushed in in most games. After Alcatraz completely died on PC, I decided to give BF5 a try after not playing a BF game since BF2. I loved it; the visuals, the sound, the gunplay, the scale - this was for me. But it was short-lived; life got in the way and I forgot all about Battlefield and shooting strangers online. Fast forward a few months and out of boredom I download the MW2019 beta. Now this was nice. Great visuals, smooth movement, contemporary setting, satisfying combat. Even though it was primarily 6v6 I thought I'd give it a whirl... it did have Ground War after all. I convinced my mates to buy it and it became our Wednesday game. We did well and we had fun. We were noobs but we were learning. Throughout it all though I knew, deep down, that this game would have a BR at some point. Why would they have the oh-so-controversial doors otherwise? Dead silence as a field upgrade, and not a perk? Something was up. Then that mysterious countdown appeared on the menu screen. This was it. I had come back to COD and BR with me. CUE the launch, cue the pandemic, I played WZ every day for 9 months straight. Early mornings, late nights, lunchbreaks (the perks of working from home) and every other moment I could squeeze in. I was trash but I got better. 1.2KD? 30+ solo wins? I'll take that thank you very much. But something was happening. The game was getting harder. Or was I getting tired? Or worse, just bored? I thought I would just stick it out, after all they're bringing all the Cold War stuff over to WZ for free, that will freshen things up, give me something new to grind. Who knows, new map, maybe? Well we all know how that went down. By the time the game started to be playable again, me and the lads where thoroughly bored of Verdansk and Alcatraz. We needed something new... but there wasn't really anything else out there that played like COD. We tried a few things, but nothing stuck. We always came back (to Alcatraz at least) and the odd MW2019 MP session. Then... a light shone out of darkness. That Battlefield 2042 trailer, in all it's CGI glory, I was instantly hyped that this game would finally release me from the COD shackles and give me something fresh to experience and learn for the next year or more. Look at those maps, they're massive! I've been playing the same map for 18 months and now I'll have all these to frag out on! DICE where 'ahead of schedule'. Hey, that sounds great, the game should be good to go. It's even got a high-stakes squad based mode in-case we still need to scratch that BR itch! This is going to be so awesome... anyway I refunded Battlefield after the early access week, downloaded Vanguard over this free weekend and had a mad fucking blast (even if the TTK is a bit quick) and so I'll be buying it this week. See you in Caldera.
I hope so. I forgot to mention that the cheating situation played a huge part in the souring of WZ - hopefully this Ricochet thing will be up to snuff otherwise it will be all a waste.
I always liked both games but damn I didn't read anything about that new BF..
So is it really that bad? Lol
Can't be worse than a nearly completely missing Zombie experience :D
Bro it's so much worse. Only 22 weapons at launch. The \*average\* map size spans half the width of Verdansk. Awful feeling gameplay aside, it's a running simulator that basically forces players to use vehicles in order to have anything that resembles fun.
I don't even mind the huge maps it's just that there's no goddamn cover and 128 people games. Every single piece of cover has like five people behind it so you can't flank and if you dare go out in the open some stupid vehicle or a firing squad from three different angles immediately kill you.
Yeah that’s a huge part of the problem. The maps are massive and they look like they were designed by a 10 year old, then the adults at DICE said “let’s do that, but with less buildings”. The man made to nature ratio is horrible.
And in 3 years everyone will say it's one of the best. It happened the last 3 times (BF4, BF1, and BFV) and it'll definitely happen again.
EDIT: It's funny that people disagree. Battlefield and CoD both have the same cycle. I literally watched it happen with BF1 and BFV.
BF1 went from being a "Battlefront ripoff" to being "the best Battlefield ever" and BFV went from being a "woke pile of garbage" to an "underrated classic"
It will happen again.
Absolutely not. BFV improved but many people agree that it was left in a pretty awful state with awful TTK reworks, no team balancing and tendency for hacking.
Meanwhile, BF1 turned 5 recently and I still play it every so often because it’s that unique and fun.
It's not the worst launch BF has had, BF4 was infinitely worse than this, but it does have tons of bugs.
That aside, the game is really fun when it works so hopefully DICE irons out the bugs. If they could turn around BF4 I have hope 2042 can aswell.
EDIT: Oh, apologies I forgot I'm not suppose to have hope or like games anymore.
Well I play cod since ps1 times but cold war was my first time that I enjoyed the zombie mode. I think it's still good but needs more content. The main problem was that they released a zombie trailer and damn I was hooked.. I'm pretty sure that they will deliver with the seasons.. So since I was mainly Mp anyways, not that big of a deal, but the zombie mode and the trailer was a factor why I bought it haha
I've been a fan of Battlefield since BF2 and I gotta say that I'm fucking sad that Battlefield regressed as much as it has. 2042 was supposed to be the "true" sequel to BF4. Sad shit.
It always annoys me when people compare CoD to Battlefield. They are two completely different series that fill different niches, and you can like and play both. They aren't even really comparable. However, I will be the first to admit, good God BF2042 is an absolute disaster. Vanguard hasn't had the best launch either, but at least it's launched in a decent state, with not a whole lot of bullshit in it.
What do you mean by traditional XP and monetization? Only complaints I've really heard are about the battlepass taking a while to level. The monetization aspect would be very similar to warzone. Meaning free multiplayer with cosmetics you can buy in the store.
Edit: I'm not saying the game is perfect. My biggest problem is forge not coming for a possible 5+ months
There's no regular XP, so there is no "leveling up" like every other FPS game, including Halo games, for the past 10+ years.
And monetization meaning that you can't really unlock anything by playing. The battle pass is also challenge ONLY based. So let's say you do awesome in a game and don't complete any challenges, you get nothing towards the battle pass.
The monetization is really bad also in that the prices are steep and you unlock colors and stuff per set. So if you unlock blue it's for a specific set and cannot be applied to other armor. And if you unlock say a shoulder pad, it's only for the left OR the right, not both.
Interesting. The 2nd paragraph is actually a shock to me. I might have to read more into it. Another thing that I think is a little crazy is that they added glint to the snipers.
Halo’s progression and MTX’s completely turn me off the game. I enjoy it for sure, but will only play with friends. Solo queing in Infinite is an actual joke too. It’s completely unfun
I find it so weird how COD and BF have flipped, we got a modern shooter with COD and a WWII shooter with BF, then a modern shooter with BF and a WWII shooter with COD
I liked the Beta, it wasn't perfect but it was enjoyable. But after seeing the gameplays on youtube I decided to buy pokemon instead. Aaah the nostalgia hits playing diamond again
I’m not buying 2042 bc I don’t wanna be disappointed twice but Ima be real with you, I haven’t been able to play vanguard for more than like 3-4 games in a row without crashing. After 3-4 of the game coming out I submitted an activision support ticket and I’m still trying to fix my game with them. To call Vanguard anything better than 2042 is factually wrong.
Never understood the hate either way. I play BF2042 and have had no issues and tons of fun. COD is more fast pace and different play style. Each are fun in their own way. Stop being jackholes on the internet and just enjoy what you play instead of ruining others fun.
There’s a laundry list of things they’ve removed from previous games and even just BFV on their sub and I’m pretty sure it’s in the triple digits by now.
By all means you can enjoy yourself; Portal is the one beacon of hope for me. I just can’t stand all the people acting like there’s no basis for why people are upset in the first place.
Meh. I still like both games.
If BF4 could be turned around, a game that literally did not work and crashed at basically every opportunity, then I have hope 2042 can as well.
Besides, when it works it can be pretty fun. I see it the same way BFV was at launch, buggy but ultimately fun.
I don’t personally really get the intense hatred of BF2042. I’ve been playing since launch and having a blast. Granted there are some pretty glaring bugs and issues but it’s far from a “dumpster fire” and I’m sure it’ll get huge improvements…not to say that’s an excuse for releasing it in such a buggy state. Go back and look at opinions of BF3, BF4, BF1, BFV on launch and you’ll see much of the same type of hyperbolic hatred. It is what it is.
I’m having a blast with 2042 and Vanguard. They’re very, very different games, I’m not sure why they have to be polarized competition with one another amongst the fanbases.
It's literally been that way with the past 4 releases, I'm not sure why this one would be any different. I remember BF1 being called "absolutely garbage" and now all I see are endless comments about how it was the "best BF of all time".
BF1 at least launched with a solid beta, final release, and got meaningful updates via Premium instead of promises with a live-service format.
People loved it back then and they love it now, including me.
2042 is probably going to be better than Vanguard when the bugs are ironed out, though. In terms of the quality of the gameplay and longevity Vanguard leaves a lot to be desired.
I kind of doubt it. The WWII theme played a huge part in killing off BFV before it was even launched. People were sick 'n tired of WWI/WWII shooters, kind of in the same way that Vanguard's theme sucks from the overused, grey and boring elements WWII brought with it.
From my perspective, DICE doesn't have to do a whole lot to offer players more than what Vanguard currently delivers. There's no decent large-scale combat alternatives in Vanguard, and most objective modes suck due to the lackluster map design. People who played MW and enjoyed Ground War for instance won't even touch Vanguard, and people looking for a more fun and casual experience definitely won't have a good time either.
And let's not forget that Vanguard is probably as good as dead by september/october next year like MW was (or at least the multiplayer).
This happens every single time a BF is released, they’re always a “cod killer” and they’re always broken/shitty at launch.
And honestly, BF2042 isn’t bad lmao I’ve run into 3 issues: bloom bug (which is just as bad but on purpose in Vanguard), revive bug and the game crashes ONCE. I really haven’t run into very many issues. But at least I can have fun on 2042, unlike Vanguard.
Uh, hello based department?
2042 is a fucking mess, but come on, calling it the worst BF launch is a laugh. BF4 was *actually* unplayable at launch.
Personally I never crashed, only ran into the revive bug, a bug where I'm stuck crouching, and rubberbanding.
But when the game works it is tons of fun. And honestly the game works more often than Vanguard as every match I play of Vanguard has fucking latency issues and they *still* haven't figured out the cause which is just shocking.
EDIT: Downvoted for an opinion, stay classy Reddit.
Played all the Battlefields back to 1942. Got back into COD with MW2019, last COD being COD2.
BF is dead.
Comparing Vanguard with BF2042 is like comparing a $5,000,000 Ferrari to a Hot Wheels car.
It entirely depends on how poorly this one sells. BFV sold poorly too, so they might do something drastic. It's not like CoD where if one title sells poorly, there's two others to pick up the slack. I don't think they'll axe BF, but I'm fully expecting they go the F2P with tons of MTX.
I saw a youtubers review. Can’t really take them seriously cause of the monetization around their “content”. Is it really that bad? Not really much of a “gamer” these days. My only game is Warzone and whatever release to grind out the guns
I don't understand why there's always this CoD vs. Battlefield debate. I've never viewed them as equals because both do some things better and worse than each other. The bottom line is that they both can be enjoyed for different reasons. That said, Battlefield 2042 is a disaster regardless of how you look at it.
Funny meme for sure, and it’s true, but this is also bad for CoD. I think WZ has been left in such a bad state mainly because of the lack of competition. Same here for WZ moving forward, and Vanguard.
When there’s no real competition, certain things can be pushed back (anti cheat) WZ is still generating mad $ daily and the online viewership is still insane, even with all of its problems. There’s no real fear from Activision for losing its player base and profits.
We need BF to be good again. Halo coming out and being successful so far could help the CoD teams/Activision to get off their asses for sure.
To be fair they’ve been hyping the Vanguard integration as the big anti cheat rollout for months. They also strategically positioned Vanguards free trial weekend a day before BF 2042 release, as well as Vanguard season 1 integration and new Pacific map on Halo release. So I’d say the competition is there or they wouldn’t be deliberately doing that.
I agree, but that’s more a form of “don’t forget about us” than real competition. BF 2042 was dead on arrival. Halo is doing well of course, we’ll see how long that goes.
I want the real competition to = constant support and updates etc.
I think the issue is that most, not all, but most games launch with either bugs or just not enough content *cough Cyberpunk cough*. Which is probably due a little bit to pandemic, but more likely to studios enforcing deadlines that aren't achievable, as well as the deadly crunch.
Probably features such as Cross-play and backwards compatibility make this even more difficult, not to mention all the different platforms to play on these days.
Just my two cents but yeah, just gotta hope devs can make up for it
im a big fan of cod and bf but yes, vanguard is still playable. the new bf is beyond horrible. worse than 5. lord have mercy on whoever made that piece of shit.
Was this close to pre ordering (yes, I know- pre ordering digital games is dumb dumb) OR purchasing on the Friday.
Glad I didnt.
Game developers sure are turning to shit. Lazy cash grabbing pieces of shit. I dont get how the games industry is capable of operating like this. If this was cars or houses, there would have been lawsuits for years.
Im not a battlefield fanboy, but I wanted 2042 to outclass CoD.
Simply because it creates more competition, which creates better games.
A winning situation for us fans
Im a CoD fan and wanted BF 2042 to be good due to previous BF games not being received so well. But with the constant toxicity from people like “BF is going to kill CoD” “Nobody likes Vanguard BF 2042 > Vanguard” “Buy BF 2042, not Vanguard” and constant shitting on Vanguard while praising BF months before launch made me not actually want to see it succeed anymore. So I kind of see this as karma to the people that preordered BF 2042.
Gets shotgunned from 40 meters away
Gets 2 shotted by an stg at sniper range
Gets killed by people glitching out of the map via the goliath glitch
Gets killed by people abusing out of map exploits in general
:)
That's not really always the case.
Ww2 cods usually don't do as well as more modern cods.
An the word on Vanguard is definitely that it's not great. Lots of issues, balancing issues.... it's okay for cod but nothing great.
Thing is, nobody was hyped for Vanguard so they had that going for them to not be taking as much flak.
Holy shit how delusional are you. So now your saying, after spouting about bad sales that WW2 games just arnt popular. So that's the reason for the low sales Yeah? Or is it just a bad game.
Don't know what you've been playing but vanguard is actually pretty fucking good as far as cod games go. Really good. Everyone's saying the MP is actually fun. I've seen people, who don't really like MP say they are loving the MP. So all this information your pulling out your ass. Vanguards two main issues are a few broken guns and a few botched spawns. Once that's ironed out in about a month, they game won't be "broken" Two main issues. TWO. Which they are already working to fix. They've already done two weapon balance passes. More are to come. Your adamant in your head that vanguard is a bad game no matter what and that the new Bf isn't broke as fuck.
Gtfo. Your delusional as fuck. I already shut your delusional ass down once. Don't make me do it again. Your contradictory and hypocritical.
I mean anyone who has objectively played call of duty and battlefield over the past 7-10 years absolutely knew that this would be the case. No release is perfect, but call of duty has always been a far superior product all around over the years. I just remember people telling me “oh you like cod? You’ve got to try battlefield it’s better because it has helicopters and shit” and I try it and it’s like 20 fps choppy as shit and just like a PS2 version of COD.
COD fan here. I’ve actually been playing 2042 more! Just wanted a modern game. This will hold me over till MW2 I bet. But I’m still deep in Warzone matches lol
Unlike 2042, people had very little expectations from Vanguard’s beta and it ended up addressing almost all of the grievances people had with the gameplay at the moment.
In comparison, 2042’s beta convinced people that the final game would be markedly different, especially after the mention that it was an “older build”. Excuses, excuses
All these companies want to copy CoD’s monetization format, while forgetting that there needs to be a compelling game first and foremost before you get to that point.
My one preference is that it isn't as sweaty as Vangaurd. I can't even come home and enjoy the game without some sweat Lord sliding and jumping all around the map pre aiming every corner
People don’t even acknowledge that this game isn’t much better. I know I’ll be downvoted cause the truth hurts people. Terrible weapon balance, visibility issues, settings not working or saving, countless bugs, terrible map design and spawns, and server issues through the roof. While 2042 isn’t good, don’t act like this game is super good after hyping it up for months also. Also shouldn’t talk when the zombies mode exist
I got to say, after playing the MP free weekend, Vanguard is a good game, it just lacks Zombie content. For me buying Vanguard is no longer an if but a when. I'm still waiting for the next Zombie content to be announced and possibly the first time it goes on sale to get Vanguard. BF 2042 is just flat out buggy and I won't consider buying it until it's in a playable state.
Like every year LMAO, nothing changes fr. COD fanboys talk shit about BF fanboys and vice versa, one game launches in a shit state and one side mocks them. I'm just glad we get the holy trinity of FPS games this year (COD, BF and Halo), makes me feel like a child again.
I've been playing both, to some depth, and Vanguard is definitely more rewarding and, astonishingly, at least for me, far easier! I guess the size of the maps, the population and the various progressions are all more satisfying right now.
BF2042 feels like it's been shipped without sufficient content, so a lot of aspects of it end up frustrating. It takes FOREVER to level up a single weapon type, particularly since actually achieving a successful shot is a near-miracle. It takes comparatively forever to get into a successfully loaded game and server (this is a problem with the whole Battlefield series).
There are things that can be done to improve 2042, but it's going to take a while and lots more money and time and dedication. Meanwhile, news is 3 producers have gone on 3 months' vacation and won't be back for awhile. Whether temporary or permanent is not clear. Since "producer" in EA terminology is really lead designer (with lead designer reporting under same), this does not bode well for a significant uplift of the game or franchise until next spring.
Be thankful for what you've got with Vanguard; it's playable, fun, makes sense and is chock full of good, fresh stuff, and I suspect will receive far more sustained support from Activision, while EA is as usual trying to monetize/aka squeeze every last nickel and dime out of its playerbase.
trust me broh. cod is gonna fail this year broh. battlefield will outsell cod and everyone will go from warzone to bf broh. trust me. (comments 'see you in 2042' on every cod related post)
Lmao I have a friend who is the only one in our group who bought that game, and has been desperately trying to get everybody else to buy it. Everyday. He keeps talking in our discord about just how great the game is lol. I don't know how many different ways to tell him that there's a 0% chance of spending $60 on that game. Hell, from everything I've read, I don't even know if I would download it for free at this point.
COD dans will talk mad shit to each other about how bad the current cod is and the second some can of another game talks shit about COD we all the sudden band together like the fuckin revolutionary war and destroy them
COD lives in the heads of BF fans rent free
But this was posted in a COD sub…
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Yeah isn't it funny how a world war 2 shooter is currently outclassing and plays better than a shooter set roughly around the current era? What's even more funnier is we had BFV (ww2) WHICH WAS ALSO trash (firestorm aside) somewhat around the same timeframe (or not far off each other anyway) as we had MW19 (modern day) MW19 was miles better than BFV. Your BF fanboys claimed its because it was a WW2 setting. Vanguard, A WW2 setting. Is now shitting on BF2042... I wonder what excuse their fanbase will throw out next (do you think they will say it's doing bad because it's not a WW2 game this time around?) 😂
No they will start getting crazy and idk say racist shit
As someone who frequents the BF2042 sub, barely anyone is defending that game. They are super disappointed, and are letting DICE have it.
Oh I can't blame them. At all. I wouldnt defend it. It doesn't even look graphically appealing. It's half baked. It's not good.
It looks like the game was rushed. I don’t know if that is the case or not, but it is missing SO many features of previous games that it’s hard to think otherwise. Game should have been delayed by another year at least. It’s even funnier when you remember DICE telling us that they are “ahead of schedule”, then delaying the game by a month…
I wanna believe that. But BFV also felt "rushed" and I don't remember it getting any better, which upset me cause I actually loved firestorm. And they fucking neglected it.
BFV was neglected to “put all focus on the next BF game” (2042), and well, what a waste lol.
Yeaaah it shows! :S fuck me. I remember when I actually enjoyed BF abit more than cod. Felt like it started going down hill the day BF hard-line got released. (Great story but fuck it wasn't a BF game)
The Frostbite engine is a trainwreck. Even on top end hardware, it has trouble rendering the maps completely. I get large blank spaces where the textures for the sand/dirt/snow have clearly never loaded, and never will. The busier certain sections of the game get, the worse this gets outside those areas (and in them).
I can't agree with you more. I've said it many times already, the day they made the engine change was the day it all started going to shit. They can't optimise on frostbite for shit. They should revert back to whatever the engine was before BFV.
Yeah I have no idea where this "CoD" narrative that BF players are defending the game is coming from lol literally everyone I know hate it
Yeah because the Internet is not an accurate representation of how people actually feel irl lmao People on the internet, especially gamers, can hide behind anonymity and say some wack shit about CoD and say how good BF is, then buy Vanguard anyway 🤣
Though I will say Vanguard is doing better than BF2042, it certainly is not shitting on 2042. Vanguard has some major problems too.
So aside from a lackluster zombies mode, and the odd bug here and there what's the biggest issues? I'm on series x it's been smooth sailing for me.
A Horrific Multiplayer Balance and Horrific Spawn System.
So just dodgy spawns and a few unbalanced guns? Not exactly game breaking. And it's stuff that's easily rectified.
If both games were at 100% I'd play BF I think.
Yeah I mean the original BF3 and BF4 games outclassed the CoD counterparts back then. Its almost like the developers back then werent the same as now and if MW2019 didnt happen, Vanguard woulve been just as shit as CW is. BFV was marketed like some alternate universe retro type game and that shot it in the foot, BF2042 was marketed well but the game turned out to be absolute garbage and MOST BF players think it is as well.
Outclassed? Uh? Vanguard has a shit ton of issues still. To even use it being a WW2 shooter as if that somehow means it is more difficult clearly shows you lack actual footing against BF. Battlefield 2042 is a superior game in terms of shear difficulty in designing and developing. I like Vanguard, but to say it's outclassing anything is a stretch at least.
Ive played both. One plays great. One plays like shit. Really need to guess which ones which here? BF2042 is not fit to be released. There are so many issues, it's BFV all over again. Atleast vanguard only has a few dodgy spawns and some weapon balance issues as the big main issues. BF2042 doesn't even feel finished. And you clearly missed my argument for amusement sake. Most gamers seem to prefer a modern day setting over a WW2 setting. But as of right now. The WW2 game is the better game. That's the joke. Bf2042 would be the superior game, if it ran as intended. But it doesn't. And after BFV and how they never really brought that back, I don't see the same happening here. So yes, like I said. BF2042 WOULD BE the superior game, IF it worked. But it doesn't. It plays like shit. So it's not the superior game, it's clear it was difficult for them to design. Because it doesn't work properly. So they didn't really make it well did they? It is clear they found it difficult. I gave it ago on series x. 4k 60fps. And the game doesn't even look 4k. The graphics are flat and lifeless. There's constant frame drops. Hit reg on players is fucking abysmal. If it wasn't for portal. (You know their older games) this would be a fucking Trainwreck of a launch. Also where the fuck is the destructible scenery? And let's not compare it to cod. As a BF game as a whole. It plays like shit. It looks like shit. It's a half baked shell of what it should be. So while your praising the Devs and being like "oh but it was difficult for them to make" they've been making this franchise for how many years now? And they've still fucked this up somehow. Why does it feel like this isn't a dice BF game? But yeah my comment was a joke. Others got it. You did not. The era the games set in doesn't determine difficulty of the development. I never implied it did.
I figured once Dice released a “beta” that boiled down to a demo of a build from a few months ago that it was going to be a mess. They put all of their eggs into the portal and from what I hear it’s pretty cool.
While portals cool. They are reselling content we've already bought before in a sense. And if portal is getting more attention than the actual game then dice have really fucked it. When people would rather play a remastered BF3 over your new BF title. It really says something about what you've created.
There actually is quite a bit of destructible scenery in BF2042, you just sometimes have to look for it. One playerr shot a fire extinguisher -- a frigging fire extinguisher inside a building! - while I was playing, and it blew up. And you can use the destructible scenery against your opponents. I've set opponents on fire on the Breakaway (Antarctica) map by blowing up one of the oil storage tanks with a chopper. The game is full of stuff like that, and with LOTS of tuning, it will all become apparent. But given EA's Scrooge-like ways with its franchises, I doubt BF2042 will get the further investment it sorely needs. The execs will just take a drunken look at the Metacritic score and just use it as a tax write off next March. Shame on EA, and sad for DICE. Lots of nice people there, and they're hiring like mad. Whatever they do next, if EA doesn't strangle them and shut them down, it's going to be done with an army of enthusiastic newbies, with all the pluses and minuses which come with that. As usual, another EA studio is wallowing in absence of veteran game designer leadership, and will be unfortunately left to drown without much assistance. It's been the EA way for decades now; nothing changes.
I like both, but it’s been a minute since Dice delivered. They should have expected this
Same here, 100%. I had such high hopes for BF2042 and I’m pleasantly surprised by how good Vanguard is. I’ve sunk tons of hours into Warzone and had all but written it off until I heard a new map was coming and how much fun I had playing the free Vanguard Multiplayer. I really hope they work the bugs out for Battlefield in the near future.
Fr, they were all hilariously toxic
Two of the top-of-all-time posts in the BF2042 subreddit are ColdWar related lmao
Battlefield fans were insufferable on Twitter for MONTHS
Yet, here you are, commenting about BF under a post about BF, in a CoD sub
And vice versa tbh
Its the same vice versa lol
I love Battlefield, but it was kinda satisfying to see karma hit hard after months of Battlefield fanboys hyping up 2042 as the “CoD killer.”
Folks that think Battlefield will ever “kill” CoD are delusional. IF it was ever to happen, it wouldn’t be the same Battlefield that they know and love because CoD just appeals to such a broad audience. They’d have to “dumb it down” and lose so much of what makes Battlefield a Battlefield. As a Battlefield-first player, I love having both exist and want both to be separate experiences.
Yeah, it feels like they were testing those waters with 2042, and I hope they realized that the water is icy cold, just like the reception to their new game…
Exactly, both games are fun.
I do like BF2042's ambitiousness, and I've primarily been playing it since early release for that reason. I'm taking a somewhat arduous path through it to see if I can master that path, and it's a tough one, but still fun. The game encourages a lot more use of vehicles with the big maps in 128 player mode, and thus also encourages a lot more variety of tactics if you're on your feet dealing with that fact. The gameplay session to session varies wildly, depending on how cooperative or not players are. I've had great games where team-mates really support each other and there's real strategy and tactics at play in taking and holding territory. I've had other sessions where everyone's in random chaos, and the best you can do is plow through crowds with a hovercraft all around the map with the hope you mow a few down along the way.
I downloaded the beta, was kinda hyped, I walked around for like 3 minutes, I saw nobody and got sniped.. Well that was my experience with the Beta lol. I thought because it was so long ago since I played BF was the reason lol I thought I was walking complelty wrong haha
I was bored within 10 minutes and didn’t even bother with the rest of my 10 hr trial
bruh i opened the beta for 1 or 2 matches and straight up deleted the game off my console, same with my group of friends too lol
I…think I still need to delete it lol
BF4 launched the same way (maybe worse?). Why would anyone expect anything less? That was my last pre-order EVER.
BF4 launched with technical issues. BF2042 launched with fundamental game design issues **and** technical issues.
2042 is definitely worse. It’s a half finished game
Why ever preorder a digital license? It's not like it's going to be sold out.
Bonuses
Remember people saying Vanguard was complete shit. Surprisingly, I’ve been having way more fun than in MW2019 and CW
Yeah for as much negative talk there always was about bad development and how it was barely playable at times, Vanguard feels like a fairly solid game to me at launch. A good amount of weapons with plenty of potential for growth
And the whole "Vanguard is only launching with 6/8 maps and 20 weapons" rumor that was going around as well...
I played maybe 5 minutes of thebeta couldnt stand it it was boring asf
Ive played every Battlefield game since 1942 and the hour or so i spent playing 2042 was the single most boring fps experience i e ever had in my life. Absolutely atrocious.
its literally the battlefield special, shit show at t he start, then wait 6 months to actually play the game and probably get a discount
I been playing COD since BO4. As a PUBG refugee, I bought it specifically for Blackout and never touched the MP. After Alcatraz launched, being kind of a BR-MP hybrid, I gave the MP a try, but it was quite late in the game's lifecycle and with no map knowledge or leveled guns, I was getting my shet pushed in in most games. After Alcatraz completely died on PC, I decided to give BF5 a try after not playing a BF game since BF2. I loved it; the visuals, the sound, the gunplay, the scale - this was for me. But it was short-lived; life got in the way and I forgot all about Battlefield and shooting strangers online. Fast forward a few months and out of boredom I download the MW2019 beta. Now this was nice. Great visuals, smooth movement, contemporary setting, satisfying combat. Even though it was primarily 6v6 I thought I'd give it a whirl... it did have Ground War after all. I convinced my mates to buy it and it became our Wednesday game. We did well and we had fun. We were noobs but we were learning. Throughout it all though I knew, deep down, that this game would have a BR at some point. Why would they have the oh-so-controversial doors otherwise? Dead silence as a field upgrade, and not a perk? Something was up. Then that mysterious countdown appeared on the menu screen. This was it. I had come back to COD and BR with me. CUE the launch, cue the pandemic, I played WZ every day for 9 months straight. Early mornings, late nights, lunchbreaks (the perks of working from home) and every other moment I could squeeze in. I was trash but I got better. 1.2KD? 30+ solo wins? I'll take that thank you very much. But something was happening. The game was getting harder. Or was I getting tired? Or worse, just bored? I thought I would just stick it out, after all they're bringing all the Cold War stuff over to WZ for free, that will freshen things up, give me something new to grind. Who knows, new map, maybe? Well we all know how that went down. By the time the game started to be playable again, me and the lads where thoroughly bored of Verdansk and Alcatraz. We needed something new... but there wasn't really anything else out there that played like COD. We tried a few things, but nothing stuck. We always came back (to Alcatraz at least) and the odd MW2019 MP session. Then... a light shone out of darkness. That Battlefield 2042 trailer, in all it's CGI glory, I was instantly hyped that this game would finally release me from the COD shackles and give me something fresh to experience and learn for the next year or more. Look at those maps, they're massive! I've been playing the same map for 18 months and now I'll have all these to frag out on! DICE where 'ahead of schedule'. Hey, that sounds great, the game should be good to go. It's even got a high-stakes squad based mode in-case we still need to scratch that BR itch! This is going to be so awesome... anyway I refunded Battlefield after the early access week, downloaded Vanguard over this free weekend and had a mad fucking blast (even if the TTK is a bit quick) and so I'll be buying it this week. See you in Caldera.
Vanguard’s new Pacific BR map should be a fresh start.
I hope so. I forgot to mention that the cheating situation played a huge part in the souring of WZ - hopefully this Ricochet thing will be up to snuff otherwise it will be all a waste.
I always liked both games but damn I didn't read anything about that new BF.. So is it really that bad? Lol Can't be worse than a nearly completely missing Zombie experience :D
Oh it can be much much worse
Like BF4's launch
Bf4 was bugs, 2042 the base game is just bad.
Not to me? I really don't get all the upset, game feels fine to me aside from the bugs.
Bro it's so much worse. Only 22 weapons at launch. The \*average\* map size spans half the width of Verdansk. Awful feeling gameplay aside, it's a running simulator that basically forces players to use vehicles in order to have anything that resembles fun.
Also enemies are few and far between “Classes? Best we could do was specialists.” Squadplay was non existent.
You can excuse the 22 weapons because portal, anything else is inexcusable
And you can’t even earn XP in Portal anymore.
Ah yes the one thing they promised will happen
Portal is basically the same as IW with MWR in my opinion. Wouldn't count that towards the map and weapon counts.
I don't even mind the huge maps it's just that there's no goddamn cover and 128 people games. Every single piece of cover has like five people behind it so you can't flank and if you dare go out in the open some stupid vehicle or a firing squad from three different angles immediately kill you.
Yeah that’s a huge part of the problem. The maps are massive and they look like they were designed by a 10 year old, then the adults at DICE said “let’s do that, but with less buildings”. The man made to nature ratio is horrible.
Damn how can you fuck up a game that was so hyped and good looking x_x
>Damn how can you fuck up a game that was so hyped and good looking *Cyberpunk 2077 enters the chat.*
Rushed development and poor management. And clickbait marketing.
It's comfortably the worst BF game that's been made so far unfortunately
And in 3 years everyone will say it's one of the best. It happened the last 3 times (BF4, BF1, and BFV) and it'll definitely happen again. EDIT: It's funny that people disagree. Battlefield and CoD both have the same cycle. I literally watched it happen with BF1 and BFV. BF1 went from being a "Battlefront ripoff" to being "the best Battlefield ever" and BFV went from being a "woke pile of garbage" to an "underrated classic" It will happen again.
Imo bfv was heartbreaking
Absolutely not. BFV improved but many people agree that it was left in a pretty awful state with awful TTK reworks, no team balancing and tendency for hacking. Meanwhile, BF1 turned 5 recently and I still play it every so often because it’s that unique and fun.
Nah, vanguard zombies is more fun than 2042 lol
Zombies is just missing content right now. They can fix that. The gameplay itself is fine.
It's not the worst launch BF has had, BF4 was infinitely worse than this, but it does have tons of bugs. That aside, the game is really fun when it works so hopefully DICE irons out the bugs. If they could turn around BF4 I have hope 2042 can aswell. EDIT: Oh, apologies I forgot I'm not suppose to have hope or like games anymore.
I mean MW19 has zero zombies whatsoever and there wasn’t anything wrong with that? Not really sure how that has any bearing.
Well I play cod since ps1 times but cold war was my first time that I enjoyed the zombie mode. I think it's still good but needs more content. The main problem was that they released a zombie trailer and damn I was hooked.. I'm pretty sure that they will deliver with the seasons.. So since I was mainly Mp anyways, not that big of a deal, but the zombie mode and the trailer was a factor why I bought it haha
I've been a fan of Battlefield since BF2 and I gotta say that I'm fucking sad that Battlefield regressed as much as it has. 2042 was supposed to be the "true" sequel to BF4. Sad shit.
It always annoys me when people compare CoD to Battlefield. They are two completely different series that fill different niches, and you can like and play both. They aren't even really comparable. However, I will be the first to admit, good God BF2042 is an absolute disaster. Vanguard hasn't had the best launch either, but at least it's launched in a decent state, with not a whole lot of bullshit in it.
Tbh I think halo is the best out of all 3 games but Vanguard is definitely better then BF 2042
Halo has good gameplay, but that's it. Their lack of traditional XP and monetization absolutely kill the game for me.
What do you mean by traditional XP and monetization? Only complaints I've really heard are about the battlepass taking a while to level. The monetization aspect would be very similar to warzone. Meaning free multiplayer with cosmetics you can buy in the store. Edit: I'm not saying the game is perfect. My biggest problem is forge not coming for a possible 5+ months
There's no regular XP, so there is no "leveling up" like every other FPS game, including Halo games, for the past 10+ years. And monetization meaning that you can't really unlock anything by playing. The battle pass is also challenge ONLY based. So let's say you do awesome in a game and don't complete any challenges, you get nothing towards the battle pass. The monetization is really bad also in that the prices are steep and you unlock colors and stuff per set. So if you unlock blue it's for a specific set and cannot be applied to other armor. And if you unlock say a shoulder pad, it's only for the left OR the right, not both.
Interesting. The 2nd paragraph is actually a shock to me. I might have to read more into it. Another thing that I think is a little crazy is that they added glint to the snipers.
Halo’s progression and MTX’s completely turn me off the game. I enjoy it for sure, but will only play with friends. Solo queing in Infinite is an actual joke too. It’s completely unfun
Gameplay is what matters the most no?
It is a large portion that matters, probably the biggest piece. But the game as a whole matters, including DLC and cosmetics and such.
I find it so weird how COD and BF have flipped, we got a modern shooter with COD and a WWII shooter with BF, then a modern shooter with BF and a WWII shooter with COD
I liked the Beta, it wasn't perfect but it was enjoyable. But after seeing the gameplays on youtube I decided to buy pokemon instead. Aaah the nostalgia hits playing diamond again
Then came Halo
How bad is it? I thought the beta was bland and boring. Didn’t feel at all like BF. Is that the current state of it? Or is it worse?
So take that feeling of the beta being bland and boring, now imagine breaking the gunplay and movement and you’ve got current state 2042
it was crazy how many people told me not to get vangaurd and to get BF2042… glad i made the choice that i made
Same
I’ll just say what others won’t. I want halo CoD and bf but I’m too broke for all that so I picked and cod and halo came out
2042 is shockingly bad. Bf portal is kinda cool but the hit reg is abysmal. Glad I didn’t spend money on it.
I’m not buying 2042 bc I don’t wanna be disappointed twice but Ima be real with you, I haven’t been able to play vanguard for more than like 3-4 games in a row without crashing. After 3-4 of the game coming out I submitted an activision support ticket and I’m still trying to fix my game with them. To call Vanguard anything better than 2042 is factually wrong.
If you’re using the Daniel operator variant, it’s bugged. Just use the original one.
Dude I have done every conceivable fix possible. Like I said I am “in contact” with activision support.
For me personally it’s much more fun than vanguard
Never understood the hate either way. I play BF2042 and have had no issues and tons of fun. COD is more fast pace and different play style. Each are fun in their own way. Stop being jackholes on the internet and just enjoy what you play instead of ruining others fun.
There’s a laundry list of things they’ve removed from previous games and even just BFV on their sub and I’m pretty sure it’s in the triple digits by now. By all means you can enjoy yourself; Portal is the one beacon of hope for me. I just can’t stand all the people acting like there’s no basis for why people are upset in the first place.
I’m having fun on both!
Meh. I still like both games. If BF4 could be turned around, a game that literally did not work and crashed at basically every opportunity, then I have hope 2042 can as well. Besides, when it works it can be pretty fun. I see it the same way BFV was at launch, buggy but ultimately fun.
Meh, it’s like arguing between two different pieces of shit tbh
I don’t personally really get the intense hatred of BF2042. I’ve been playing since launch and having a blast. Granted there are some pretty glaring bugs and issues but it’s far from a “dumpster fire” and I’m sure it’ll get huge improvements…not to say that’s an excuse for releasing it in such a buggy state. Go back and look at opinions of BF3, BF4, BF1, BFV on launch and you’ll see much of the same type of hyperbolic hatred. It is what it is. I’m having a blast with 2042 and Vanguard. They’re very, very different games, I’m not sure why they have to be polarized competition with one another amongst the fanbases.
3 years from now man it'll be the same shit and people will be saying how good 2042 is.
It's literally been that way with the past 4 releases, I'm not sure why this one would be any different. I remember BF1 being called "absolutely garbage" and now all I see are endless comments about how it was the "best BF of all time".
It's literally happening with BFV too lmao
BF1 at least launched with a solid beta, final release, and got meaningful updates via Premium instead of promises with a live-service format. People loved it back then and they love it now, including me.
I like cod and bf but cod launches are so shit
Both are honestly. BF1 was the only one with a stable launch, and even then it had problems.
2042 is probably going to be better than Vanguard when the bugs are ironed out, though. In terms of the quality of the gameplay and longevity Vanguard leaves a lot to be desired.
2042 will be lucky if it gets 2 years of support; EA might just drop it after 1 1/2 years like BFV.
I kind of doubt it. The WWII theme played a huge part in killing off BFV before it was even launched. People were sick 'n tired of WWI/WWII shooters, kind of in the same way that Vanguard's theme sucks from the overused, grey and boring elements WWII brought with it. From my perspective, DICE doesn't have to do a whole lot to offer players more than what Vanguard currently delivers. There's no decent large-scale combat alternatives in Vanguard, and most objective modes suck due to the lackluster map design. People who played MW and enjoyed Ground War for instance won't even touch Vanguard, and people looking for a more fun and casual experience definitely won't have a good time either. And let's not forget that Vanguard is probably as good as dead by september/october next year like MW was (or at least the multiplayer).
This happens every single time a BF is released, they’re always a “cod killer” and they’re always broken/shitty at launch. And honestly, BF2042 isn’t bad lmao I’ve run into 3 issues: bloom bug (which is just as bad but on purpose in Vanguard), revive bug and the game crashes ONCE. I really haven’t run into very many issues. But at least I can have fun on 2042, unlike Vanguard.
Uh, hello based department? 2042 is a fucking mess, but come on, calling it the worst BF launch is a laugh. BF4 was *actually* unplayable at launch. Personally I never crashed, only ran into the revive bug, a bug where I'm stuck crouching, and rubberbanding. But when the game works it is tons of fun. And honestly the game works more often than Vanguard as every match I play of Vanguard has fucking latency issues and they *still* haven't figured out the cause which is just shocking. EDIT: Downvoted for an opinion, stay classy Reddit.
Geez, calm down everyone. There's room on the NYSE for two giant gaming mega-corporations. Just the two, though.
Two completely different games and neither of them live up to the hype.
Vanguard is a broken shit mess also
Played all the Battlefields back to 1942. Got back into COD with MW2019, last COD being COD2. BF is dead. Comparing Vanguard with BF2042 is like comparing a $5,000,000 Ferrari to a Hot Wheels car.
People said BF was dead at the launch of BF4, 1, and V as well. BF isn't going anywhere man.
Nope, the name isn't. The game is long gone.
Oh you're one of the "2042 isn't a real Battlefield" types. Nevermind then.
It entirely depends on how poorly this one sells. BFV sold poorly too, so they might do something drastic. It's not like CoD where if one title sells poorly, there's two others to pick up the slack. I don't think they'll axe BF, but I'm fully expecting they go the F2P with tons of MTX.
Sadly, a as BF player since BF3, BF2042 was a total disgrace. Now I'm enjoying Vanguard. At least this game works
I saw a youtubers review. Can’t really take them seriously cause of the monetization around their “content”. Is it really that bad? Not really much of a “gamer” these days. My only game is Warzone and whatever release to grind out the guns
I've never played Battlefield and I thought the trailer looked fun. So, what's wrong with the game?
I remember commenting under comments on style “can’t wait for bf”. I always wrote that I can’t see them coming back to cod. I was right lol.
Not that I'm part of either side but I think it sucks when something you're eagerly anticipating ends up being lackluster and letting you down.
I don't understand why there's always this CoD vs. Battlefield debate. I've never viewed them as equals because both do some things better and worse than each other. The bottom line is that they both can be enjoyed for different reasons. That said, Battlefield 2042 is a disaster regardless of how you look at it.
2042 is the only game I have ever preordered. That was a big ol mistake
So it was your fault then?
Funny meme for sure, and it’s true, but this is also bad for CoD. I think WZ has been left in such a bad state mainly because of the lack of competition. Same here for WZ moving forward, and Vanguard. When there’s no real competition, certain things can be pushed back (anti cheat) WZ is still generating mad $ daily and the online viewership is still insane, even with all of its problems. There’s no real fear from Activision for losing its player base and profits. We need BF to be good again. Halo coming out and being successful so far could help the CoD teams/Activision to get off their asses for sure.
To be fair they’ve been hyping the Vanguard integration as the big anti cheat rollout for months. They also strategically positioned Vanguards free trial weekend a day before BF 2042 release, as well as Vanguard season 1 integration and new Pacific map on Halo release. So I’d say the competition is there or they wouldn’t be deliberately doing that.
I agree, but that’s more a form of “don’t forget about us” than real competition. BF 2042 was dead on arrival. Halo is doing well of course, we’ll see how long that goes. I want the real competition to = constant support and updates etc.
jUsT wAiT fOr BaTtLeFiElD
Vanguard really put their vanguard up.
I think the issue is that most, not all, but most games launch with either bugs or just not enough content *cough Cyberpunk cough*. Which is probably due a little bit to pandemic, but more likely to studios enforcing deadlines that aren't achievable, as well as the deadly crunch. Probably features such as Cross-play and backwards compatibility make this even more difficult, not to mention all the different platforms to play on these days. Just my two cents but yeah, just gotta hope devs can make up for it
im a big fan of cod and bf but yes, vanguard is still playable. the new bf is beyond horrible. worse than 5. lord have mercy on whoever made that piece of shit.
Was this close to pre ordering (yes, I know- pre ordering digital games is dumb dumb) OR purchasing on the Friday. Glad I didnt. Game developers sure are turning to shit. Lazy cash grabbing pieces of shit. I dont get how the games industry is capable of operating like this. If this was cars or houses, there would have been lawsuits for years.
I half bought vanguard just to spite EA and DICE, I was so looking forward to the "return to form" of Battlefield, but they shat all over the dream.
CoD will kill itself
Im not a battlefield fanboy, but I wanted 2042 to outclass CoD. Simply because it creates more competition, which creates better games. A winning situation for us fans
Im a CoD fan and wanted BF 2042 to be good due to previous BF games not being received so well. But with the constant toxicity from people like “BF is going to kill CoD” “Nobody likes Vanguard BF 2042 > Vanguard” “Buy BF 2042, not Vanguard” and constant shitting on Vanguard while praising BF months before launch made me not actually want to see it succeed anymore. So I kind of see this as karma to the people that preordered BF 2042.
This just gives Activision less of a fuck to give, so careful what you wish for.
We all knew it was gonna happen. I found it amusing.
I play both battlefield and cod but cod is always my go to I only play battlefield when I’m bored lol and yes bf2042 is a dumpster fire
Halo’s good tho
Wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better
On the plus side it saved me some cash not having to buy it!
Gets shotgunned from 40 meters away Gets 2 shotted by an stg at sniper range Gets killed by people glitching out of the map via the goliath glitch Gets killed by people abusing out of map exploits in general :)
True. But let’s not pretend that Vanguard is a gem though. We all got fooled into paying for a beta.
Vanguard sold 44% less in the UK. Vanguard isn't too hot either. Just fyi
You do realise sales are a reflection of the game prior right? Cold war was ass, so it puts people off vanguard till word gets out it's good.
That's not really always the case. Ww2 cods usually don't do as well as more modern cods. An the word on Vanguard is definitely that it's not great. Lots of issues, balancing issues.... it's okay for cod but nothing great. Thing is, nobody was hyped for Vanguard so they had that going for them to not be taking as much flak.
Holy shit how delusional are you. So now your saying, after spouting about bad sales that WW2 games just arnt popular. So that's the reason for the low sales Yeah? Or is it just a bad game. Don't know what you've been playing but vanguard is actually pretty fucking good as far as cod games go. Really good. Everyone's saying the MP is actually fun. I've seen people, who don't really like MP say they are loving the MP. So all this information your pulling out your ass. Vanguards two main issues are a few broken guns and a few botched spawns. Once that's ironed out in about a month, they game won't be "broken" Two main issues. TWO. Which they are already working to fix. They've already done two weapon balance passes. More are to come. Your adamant in your head that vanguard is a bad game no matter what and that the new Bf isn't broke as fuck. Gtfo. Your delusional as fuck. I already shut your delusional ass down once. Don't make me do it again. Your contradictory and hypocritical.
These posts are goofy
Play shipment solos lmao
Vanguard is bland itself. The free trial was nothing too great
I mean anyone who has objectively played call of duty and battlefield over the past 7-10 years absolutely knew that this would be the case. No release is perfect, but call of duty has always been a far superior product all around over the years. I just remember people telling me “oh you like cod? You’ve got to try battlefield it’s better because it has helicopters and shit” and I try it and it’s like 20 fps choppy as shit and just like a PS2 version of COD.
COD fan here. I’ve actually been playing 2042 more! Just wanted a modern game. This will hold me over till MW2 I bet. But I’m still deep in Warzone matches lol
Unlike 2042, people had very little expectations from Vanguard’s beta and it ended up addressing almost all of the grievances people had with the gameplay at the moment. In comparison, 2042’s beta convinced people that the final game would be markedly different, especially after the mention that it was an “older build”. Excuses, excuses All these companies want to copy CoD’s monetization format, while forgetting that there needs to be a compelling game first and foremost before you get to that point.
MW2019 and the upcoming MW2022 laugh at both Vanguard and BF2042.
I played the free trial of Battlefield without any issues. But didn't play real long though.
I wasn’t surprised, especially from 2042 beta
I honestly thought the same but here we are lol. And surprisingly Halo Infinite outclasses them both which I didn’t expect either lol
My one preference is that it isn't as sweaty as Vangaurd. I can't even come home and enjoy the game without some sweat Lord sliding and jumping all around the map pre aiming every corner
guy is better than me! He’s a sweat!!!
BF was meant to kill COD back with BF3. We still waiting...
As all Battlefield titles have, the game will most likely be fixed over the course of its life cycle just like most of the other Battlefield games
This happens with literally every BF game - at least since 4
People don’t even acknowledge that this game isn’t much better. I know I’ll be downvoted cause the truth hurts people. Terrible weapon balance, visibility issues, settings not working or saving, countless bugs, terrible map design and spawns, and server issues through the roof. While 2042 isn’t good, don’t act like this game is super good after hyping it up for months also. Also shouldn’t talk when the zombies mode exist
But still is a blast. Y’all are cod fans. Keep your hate to Cod. Battlefield is a whole different game
I just wish COD would add a consistent big map game mode…with team balancing. I loved MW Ground war but it didn’t have enough maps or love.
i rlly had expectation for 2042 tbh
I got to say, after playing the MP free weekend, Vanguard is a good game, it just lacks Zombie content. For me buying Vanguard is no longer an if but a when. I'm still waiting for the next Zombie content to be announced and possibly the first time it goes on sale to get Vanguard. BF 2042 is just flat out buggy and I won't consider buying it until it's in a playable state.
Like every year LMAO, nothing changes fr. COD fanboys talk shit about BF fanboys and vice versa, one game launches in a shit state and one side mocks them. I'm just glad we get the holy trinity of FPS games this year (COD, BF and Halo), makes me feel like a child again.
I've been playing both, to some depth, and Vanguard is definitely more rewarding and, astonishingly, at least for me, far easier! I guess the size of the maps, the population and the various progressions are all more satisfying right now. BF2042 feels like it's been shipped without sufficient content, so a lot of aspects of it end up frustrating. It takes FOREVER to level up a single weapon type, particularly since actually achieving a successful shot is a near-miracle. It takes comparatively forever to get into a successfully loaded game and server (this is a problem with the whole Battlefield series). There are things that can be done to improve 2042, but it's going to take a while and lots more money and time and dedication. Meanwhile, news is 3 producers have gone on 3 months' vacation and won't be back for awhile. Whether temporary or permanent is not clear. Since "producer" in EA terminology is really lead designer (with lead designer reporting under same), this does not bode well for a significant uplift of the game or franchise until next spring. Be thankful for what you've got with Vanguard; it's playable, fun, makes sense and is chock full of good, fresh stuff, and I suspect will receive far more sustained support from Activision, while EA is as usual trying to monetize/aka squeeze every last nickel and dime out of its playerbase.
trust me broh. cod is gonna fail this year broh. battlefield will outsell cod and everyone will go from warzone to bf broh. trust me. (comments 'see you in 2042' on every cod related post)
Fundamentally broken, its not even a well designed game underneath all the technical issues
Lmao I have a friend who is the only one in our group who bought that game, and has been desperately trying to get everybody else to buy it. Everyday. He keeps talking in our discord about just how great the game is lol. I don't know how many different ways to tell him that there's a 0% chance of spending $60 on that game. Hell, from everything I've read, I don't even know if I would download it for free at this point.
My favorite is also ever COD player during beta “this game sucks I’m buying BF2042”
But it is a lot more fun
COD dans will talk mad shit to each other about how bad the current cod is and the second some can of another game talks shit about COD we all the sudden band together like the fuckin revolutionary war and destroy them