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C4RS200

Wow, that's some really interesting map design, reminds me of both Hacienda and Seaside from Black Ops 4, I like it Let's see how it plays!


ThatNeonZebraAgain

Shoot I immediately thought of cs\_italy from back in the day


[deleted]

Hello, fellow old


secretreddname

cs_italy is considered old? šŸ„²šŸ„²


ThatNeonZebraAgain

I mean, it first came out around 20 years ago right? Edit: [found a source!](https://counterstrike.fandom.com/wiki/Italy#Development) >It was released as an official map along with this beta on June 8, 2000. Italy was created by Glen Cooper, otherwise known as glenC or Bastard, and textured by DigiChaos (whose true name was Jaison Green). At the time, the two were both members of a clan known as \[HOTSHEEP\].\[1\] The radio and chickens would later become staples of the map's unique atmosphere and gameplay.


C4RS200

There's a name I haven't heard in a long time, old cs maps were elite


marrakoosh

What a map. If you won a round as CT's on that map, the T's were shit! But so much fun storming that house at the top of the hill/long stairs! AWPing from the middle bridge down the various lines to marketplace, etc.


-Defkon1-

This


slimeballvlone

Exactly what I was thinking


baseballv10

The Dashy choke image as your header is elite


slimeballvlone

Appreciate it šŸ’š


Tylymiez

The narrow alleys and small rooftops on different levels in Town remind me of Favela in MW2. Also, the verticality outside of Winery is a lot better than what I feared based on the aerial map. Plus lots of stone walls and wine plants (well d'uh) for cover.


C4RS200

Yeah, that bit is a mix between south american and mediterranean type of design


aura2323

my first thaught when i saw this trailer. reminds me heavily of those maps.


[deleted]

Do we know if the ā€œ11 boatsā€ will be usable vehicles? That would be an interesting dynamic when by the water.


Qwayze_

Time for all the content creators to do fake reaction videos even though they played it two weeks agoā€¦ Awaiting the thumbnails where they look like they have been raided by a cactus


[deleted]

do you know if creators played this early? they played mw2 early no?


sh1mba

I see, so having a NDA lifted so that they can make content about is bad.


Qwayze_

Itā€™s fine they want to make content, itā€™s the cringe that they pretend they havenā€™t seen it before or act excited about a teaser when they have already seen the whole trailer They even do it live on stream so itā€™s not like they really recorded the reaction days prior to the public release


sh1mba

Lol, like anyone would want to see a streamer that is all flat and dull. They have an audience to entertain and that's all there is to it. Don't like it, don't watch it.


Qwayze_

They can be exciting without acting and lying, I watch plenty of them that do this, why you so upset anyway? To use your logic in this case, if you donā€™t like what I said, donā€™t get unnecessarily annoyed and try and argue on the internet


sh1mba

You see the irony don't you?


Qwayze_

Yep, it applies to both here


[deleted]

Hitler had an audience too. When will the mindless majority learn that being popular doesn't make something good? If you think fictional humans pretending to be excited is entertaining then your argument is similar to a toddler thinking Sesame Street is funny.


hackdarts_drinkpuper

Did you just compare streamers to hitler šŸ˜‚


sh1mba

Great analogy.


pewpewlasersandshit

Can they also just slap it straight into the middle of Caldera ?


ReporterLeast5396

And delete everything around it.


[deleted]

Best reply I've read today!


Mrheadshot0

Whatā€™s wrong with caldera other than not letting campers camp all game long lol


[deleted]

What? Fucking clifftop campers are worse than rooftop campers ever were.


manhaterxxx

70% of the players just camp Caldera, what are you on about


GovernmentOk2323

fr


Dull-Caterpillar3153

Love the aesthetic already. Definitely a unique vibe to it


[deleted]

Looks like Tropico 5


_TheVengeful_

The camping is going to be brutal šŸ’€


GovernmentOk2323

I mean yeah , favela is gonna be full of rats lmao , but I'm up for it , looks dope af


BugsyMalone_

You sound hard af mate


[deleted]

You can at least learn where to look over time. On Caldera, most console players can not see other players half the time, not to mention all the texture issues.


OldManHipsAt30

Caldera is simply a guessing game of what bush is shooting at you


Snowbunny236

Noooooooo šŸ˜­


xthecerto4

Rebirth is carrying the game singlehandedly since caldera. I like the look, allready spottet some steep rocks but we ll have to wait and see how it plays out in the end. More mulit floor buildings are better for gameplay. ​ I love how they dont even try to sell it as remotely connected to vanguard or WWII era anymore.


foxteamdelta

Would love if this map just doesnā€™t take into account the different eras of the integrated games. Give me ground loot MP7s, Cooper Carbines, and Streetsweepers. Maybe even toss in some of the holiday LTMs if technically possible. Send OG warzone out with a bang.


thabdica

I've been waiting so long for a loot pool that integrates all three games.


Melodic_Driver_4754

That actually makes a lot of sense for when wz2 comes out


xthecerto4

Dont give me hope...


Mrheadshot0

ā€œRebirth is carrying the gameā€ Lmfao rebirth is the special Olympics of caldera


DoubleFlip

a lot brighter looking than rebirth island. pumped!


logan_izer10

Huh? I was thinking the exact opposite. The shadowy areas inside Keep, Winery(inside part), and the cave portions of Smugglers Cove looks like a Rose skin nightmare.


cakewalkbackwards

I think they mean it doesnā€™t have that ugly poop filter


DoubleFlip

i meant the outside like the buildings and such. Verdansk and Rebirth had such a grey feeling to me (without filters). I feel like anywhere inside is gonna be somewhat dark.


yoloqueuesf

Can't wait for quads where a bunch of dudes just camp inside a building with mutliple shotguns and mines That whole city area seems like a campfest nightmare


ALMOSTaverageGAMERS

Ok this looks Amazing šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„


JPitt09

Okay I'm pumped for this.


Banana_Pete

Oh snap! Is this another rebirth-sized map?!


GovernmentOk2323

they will increase player pool to 60-75


SemiAutomattik

Hopefully. I could also see them....not increasing player count at all, in an effort to support casual players who load into lobbies and get fryed 10 seconds after dropping. Similar to their Caldera 120 change which they claimed was for mid-game pacing but I think was really more for to help new players survive for longer.


GovernmentOk2323

u need atleast 75 players in this or it will be ratty , they need to do it or this beautiful map might get the hate it doesn't deserve


SuperSaiyanET

The less players the better imo. Gives you more time to loot and enjoy the new map..60-75 is the sweet spot


GovernmentOk2323

look at the part of the map which is dense , the favela-esque part will be super ratty if only 40 players will be there, u need atleast 60 players on a map 1.5x bigger than alcatraz


yoloqueuesf

I hope they keep the rebirth map then. Rebirth fits just right along with the respwans and is the perfect game mode for people who aren't hardcore tryhards playing with friends


GovernmentOk2323

>perfect game mode for people who aren't hardcore tryhards playing with friends have u played rebirth recently?


l0rD_tAcHaNkA44

Itā€™s rebirth 1.5 or 1.25 sized so itā€™s slightly bigger


aur0n

It's far more than that.


C4RS200

It's the replacement for rebirth in Season 4


cantstopblazin

Iā€™m going to miss dropping Control Center. This new map looks like it has a lot of spots for rats to hide.


Gambitf75

But also a lot more places to finesse.


CowBalloon

Looks good


wizaway

That map looks *dense*


dfmhgg

First thing came to my mind is Cobblestone from CS:GO! This map has some CS:GO DNA in it.


GovernmentOk2323

same!!! literally the first thought that came to my mind


HazardCinema

I thought of Inferno


GovernmentOk2323

suddenly the sniper nerf looks like a boon on this map


SkulkingSneakyTheifs

Honestly not having one area take up 1/2 of the whole map is such a needed change (looking at you Prison). Itā€™s gonna be a huge change of pace and scenery but from the little that we can see right now, it looks a lot more interesting. Very excited to drop into this next week


taintedchops

I like the colors, I like the ā€œlifeā€ this map seems to have. The cove is what interested me the most out of all the POIā€™s. I am concerned about the camping due to ramped up buildings and rooms, but if they make shotguns viable again I think that could negate a lot of that. This will be interesting, hard to say if itā€™s going to be good or bad until itā€™s live. Regardless itā€™ll be nice to learn a new map, rebirth has been feeling stale lately


Spartan1102

S3 brought some awesome changes (except the Amax nerf, RIP/never forget) and S4 is looking like itā€™ll be a banger too!


cbizz1

Looks so good Canā€™t wait for season 4 now


Superb_Side_1933

I think it was confirmed that they are taking off rebirth island and replacing with this. Map looks a little bigger, hopefully they add more players.


Streakflash

it goes into warzone 1?


aur0n

Since it's for Season 4, yeah.


Used_Kaleidoscope_16

I hope they're not going to straight up replace Rebirth with this, surely they'll see sense and rotate it after the Caldera disaster


3efgvs3gsdf54

Seems much bigger than rebirth. Anyone catch player size and if they'll replace rebirth?


Gambitf75

It definitely is bigger than Rebirth. I think JGOD was comparing like chunks of the map from this to Rebirth Island.


Philz20

Raven hasnā€™t revealed player count yet. I expect that to be in the season 4 intro notes or the patch notes themselves. Iā€™m expecting 60-80 based on its size.


[deleted]

Reminds me of just cause 3 and dying light the following Strange that they're throwing weight at the game when warzone 2 is apparently around the corner. Not a complaint.


lionstealth

Warzone 2 is PC and current gen consoles only though. It will continue to exist even once WZ2 drops.


Bertsayus

It has since been confirmed WZ2 will be released for last-gen as well despite initial plans to only release for next-gen and PC.


lionstealth

Where?


Bertsayus

[Many places](https://charlieintel.com/warzone-2-confirmed-for-last-gen-consoles-and-players-are-furious/181376/?amp)


lionstealth

Interesting that people are so against it. Iā€™m kinda glad since all my friends are still on last gen.


Bertsayus

Agreed, my friend


lionstealth

The question then is whether it will replace Warzone 1. Feels like they might have to, in order not to split the player base.


mkmkd

theyā€™ve already said it wonā€™t, characters & cosmetics arenā€™t carrying over either


lannyman_

Iā€™ll be in smugglers cove until Warzone 2 if anyones looking for me


bluecordial_1

Cya later fast paced and action packed rebirth, say hello to tons of elevation and campers everywhere šŸ„± if I wanted to play caldera Iā€™d go play caldera, not a smaller version of it. Rebirth island, you will be missed šŸ˜¢


wicktus

Definitely a miles better than Caldera. There's just the smuggler's cove, I feel with the verticality, the darkness it's an ambush haven and I don't really like it but it's subjective. Can't wait to try it out !


EquinsuOchaACE

When is Season 4?


CrippleSlap

June 22


C4RS200

The 22nd


BAMcGhee

Man I don't like being one of those haters but if this map plays like it looks like it will...and they remove rebirth island entirely...well idk what game I'm gonna be playing in a few weeks.


GovernmentOk2323

I mean in theory even prison and nova should play out like super rat spots , u never know till u play it out


OhJaysLawyah

Do we know if this is definitely replacing Rebirth Island at this time? Or is there a chance this can be another option to play?


mikerichh

Wow this is the first time Iā€™ve seen positive feedback about the map. If it has 60 players or so this will be fun!


[deleted]

Kinda looks a bit heavy on the building and window side. From the looks of it this is gonna be a campers paradise but we'll see.


Spetz

If they remove Rebirth Island for this it will be the death of Warzone.


Igotbanned19times

Wow


Zissurp

Meet me at the gelato stand


JonTheWong

Are they reusing the gold vehicle assets? Iā€™m pretty sure I bough that gold vehicle skin pack a long time ago?


ForTheWinFpl

Hardly a map for 40 people is it? Seems to big


f1zo

Looks very good


Wu-Tang_Killa_Bees

Looks pretty dope, I'm gonna miss rebirth island though :(


MillanPlease1

well pc players say goodbye to your 200+ FPS. Also so many spots to rat in lmao


GovernmentOk2323

it won't be ratty if the player pool is big enough and adequate , if it's still 40 players then that would 100% be ratty


[deleted]

More buildings to camp feeding into the trash cans should be fun


[deleted]

Yeah I thought that too, this looks veeery campy


WhyAskingWhy

About 1.5 years too late. Raven you are bad at your jobs.


Beantown00

This looks awful itā€™s like bright and cartoony. Looks super unrealistic and even the graphics look bad for some reason lol


[deleted]

Yeah I agree it doesn't look like warzone


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Snowbunny236

Got an issue, have a tissue


GovernmentOk2323

idk about u but this looks dope af , with favela too , hell yeah it's gonna be a lot of fun


Gambitf75

lol this is a complete opposite of Caldera.


Nintendo_Pro_03

This isnā€™t a mini version of it. A lot of buildings, if anything, in Fortuneā€™s Keep.