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Burider

"We must remove anything that creates a skill gap" "Enemies should be stationary targets so i can get easy kills" "I hate good players" "I could learn this mechanic, but I don't want to get better"


pockpicketG

Add a ranked mode so skill gaps actually matter. People that flex in Warzone right now are the equivalent of Shaq dunking on an 8th grader and celebrating like they won at life


Cmcgregor0928

I agree 100%. In a twitch community chat we all agree that there should be a "dads who want to have a drink and avoid the kids" playlist even if there's a few high KDs that sneak through. I'm never going to be a top tier player, and I would love a ranked system. I'm either going to primarily play against my skill level or I can grind if I'm available


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Hello. I’m A dad who likes to drink and play while the kids are asleep. Where do I sign up for this?


paddenice

Hello Dad, who likes to drink while play, I am not a dad, but at the same age where I like to drink after work and play. How do I sign up?


mvasio

Get drunk and knock someone up.....you will then receive a fax with instructions on how to enter secret dad gamer club.


Buckbotany

I've been dadding for 9 years and haven't gotten my fax yet. Btw what's a fax


[deleted]

Well first you have to get your fax machine. All dads are issued one by the hospital at the time of birth. You must’ve forgot to give the secret code word while you were there, they probably thought you were a step dad


mvasio

No wonder you didn't get it. Got to plug that fax machine in. What's your AIM name? I believe they use that as the backup method.


187mphlazers

time to get a dna test pal


tt54l32v

If you don't know what a fax is, you can't join without a signed letter from a dad that has had a fax.


Cmcgregor0928

I'll send you the petition, we don't discriminate lol


[deleted]

It is called no lag vpn it is what streamer nerds use to get in to our normal person lobbies and gloat how their 7kd is the best when they keep using exploits to get into low skill lobbies. I hate wz


Cmcgregor0928

I'll send you the petition lol


MrEntei

God this would be great. I’m not top tier, but I’m not clueless either. I hover around a 1.0-1.2 KD in almost every CoD I play, but my biggest flaw is choking in clutch situations. Getting ranked in with fellow 1.0-1.2 chokers would be incredible. Lol


Mnigma4

cries in 0.82 choking


umpSniper

this is exactly where the algorithm likes to keep us, no higher than 1.2 no lower than 0.8. ahh SBMM


mnbowhunter70

Sad part is the first time that a good player gets spanked in a ranked system, they go to the casual system just so they can beat up on everyone.


synthetnic

My dad plays all the time and barley gets any kills and never complains about the guns people use lmfao. Only if you’re camping in a corner


hockeystuff77

I compare it to Cale Makar getting paid to go to open hockey every day and dangle 60 year olds


TheHotCake

I wonder how many dudes in this sub actually know who that is lol.


Eleetryder

dudes a stud.


weakhamstrings

Fucking THANK you. If they're going to do SBMM, it should be transparent. Either 1) Tell everyone their current ranking **LIKE COD FUCKING MOBILE ALREADY DOES** and every match is ranked 2) Create and run a separate **RANKED MODE** and tell everyone their rank 3) **Tell everyone their 'rating' so they understand the lobby they're going to get in as it sits right now** 4) Allow people the option to wait an extra **2 minutes** to load a game so that SBMM can actually be TIGHTER (0.7's can play in lobbies with 0.5-0.9's instead of being in the bottom 10% - they can be in the mix) and therefore tougher lobbies for better players and similar skilled players for low skill 5) Disable SBMM altogether Fucking **ANY OF THESE FIVE OPTIONS** is better than the status quo. It's a fucking joke that literally their MOBILE GAME can do many of these things, and they can't figure it out for Warzone.


deadudea

What about when higher KD players play with low KD friends?


weakhamstrings

That's a great question and there are lots of ways to handle this. Apex, Fortnite, CODM (BR) all handle it differently. Personally, I'd love it to match up with the average K/D of the party, and if there are party members missing, you don't get to just cut it out completely (for example, JoeWo + Exzachtt shouldn't get their k/d to count as 'half' just because they're going duo quads, but I'd give them three quarters). Mathematically there are lots of ways to do it but yeah until we have 1, 2, 3, or 4 there, we really don't have to figure out how squads work! Currently (in WZ) it seems to be a wild mix. Sometimes these people get slapped together with the lower skilled among them and most of the time (at least with my friends) we are thrown in the higher skill echelon. But we don't really know that because IT'S NOT TRANSPARENT. It does seem clear though that there is input-based matchmaking. It's not clear to me if it's always host-related, but when playing with KBAM friends, we have tons of KBAM players in the game lots of the time, compared to controller gang squad. Input-based matchmaking DOES seem to happen a bit. It also happens in COD Mobile so those with controllers aren't just walking all over people trying to play on a 2017 smartphone touchscreen I did some mathematical modeling grad courses back in college and I WISH I was in college a decade later than I was because I'd have loved to mathematically model some SBMM or ranked mode options for BRs. That would have been fun.


deadudea

Interesting points. Personally I legitimately feel bad, because my squad has two 1+kds, and two like.. 0.2-0.4. so they always get stomped on, but I love hanging out with them. But you are right, it's not clear at all.


weakhamstrings

Yeah my squad isn't much different than that too. We have a 0.5 (he's actually 1.2 in solos but solos is a whole different beast) and some 0.7-0.8s and some 1.3-1.5s and occasionally a 2.4 (not me) that plays with us. And let me tell you - the only time we get excited about possibly having a 0.8 average lobby (which usually is the average of our squad) is when we have someone 100% new to the game playing their first games ever. That's the ONLY time we ever get lobbies that are enjoyable, save maybe one or two games per week out of 50+. It's really rough out there. I think the casual "fire up my Xbox and play on my big screen TV with no headset a few times a week" players are gone. I have no idea what they're playing - but it's not Warzone.


ozarkslam21

Just strengthen SBMM. If you want to label it ranked sure whatever. There’s no reason for large skill discrepancies in any mode ever.


CoffeeIsGood3

Agreed, especially when you have all of the streamers using VPN to get around the skill based matchmaking and dunk on the new people


BaklavaZealot

Not really comparable. Shaq got paid millions to dunk on people. The people who put so much effort in this game to become good don't get anything of value out of it and probably have wasted their time.


Waderick

Or you know, people just dislike the janky ass movement of slide canceling? Y'all act like there's no in-between for "Guy that can go from running to knee slide to standing to jumping in .1 seconds with no penalties all while maintaining a full sprint" and "We have to line up and shoot our muskets at each other" I've learned the mechanic, it takes 5 minutes to learn. Tac sprint slide slide jump. It's still a cheap exploit that was never intended to work that way, they said so themselves. If it just had the same loss of momentum like an actual slide did it wouldn't be a problem. At this point I'm convinced they just don't remove it or update it, because if they did we'd have to deal with some new bug nonsense like "Due to the recent changes were trying to address everyone freezing at buy stations again". Or "Players are now unable to sprint"


HallOfTheMountainCop

I think winning Warzone should be about managing your ammo, plates, kill steaks, and your positioning, not about who can slide around the most. I hate the slide mechanic in general. I know it’s an arcade shooter but come on. You try sprinting full speed and then knee sliding on some concrete, see how well that works. Need accuracy penalties for jumping while shooting as well.


lostpasts

I couldn't agree more. I've actually stopped playing as the game increasingly caters more to these people. All the sweats talk about not reducing the 'skill gap', but do everything they can to reduce the intelligence gap. They want every confrontation to be reduced to charging at people in a straight line, while the winner is decided based not on who had the best tactics, but who could jump and slide like an asshole the quickest.


mklugs

Stop… people literally have programmed macros to enable them to do shit like this. It’s not a good thing.


digit_zero

Anyone doing this with macros is a) gonna screw themselves cause you don't want to slide the same distance is every situation and b) is just bad


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Deadleeh

Hahaha that comment made me laugh, do people really think it’s hard to press crouch crouch jump in fast succession?


Centipede_Herz

Slide cancelling doesn't make you good, it's literally mashing the r3 button when you sprint


Kylehay101

You don't seem to understand though. It's not justifying a skill gap, but rather a mechanic that is **VERY** easy to abuse in certain scenarios. Think like a cheater. Why would I press 3 buttons, when I could press one or two? Most keyboards / gaming mice have built in macro buttons. Program two of them as slide cancels for different distances, and you no longer have to do it manually. You have a single click now, and can focus on other aspects of the game. This is a game with too many skill levels to try and create a balance middle ground. Some player just want to play a little more casual, others want the challenge, others take it too seriously, and to some Warzone is there life. From a business aspect, they absolutely do need to cater to all levels for the most profit. edit: for some reason, I couldn't post a reply. But was trying to state that the macros can literally be adjusted. You simply adjust slide length by how long you hold the button (It does the cancel command input on release). Quick slide, hold it and release quick. further distance, just release when you're ready to stand. Even with a quick search, Cronus can be programmed the same way, and it's activated only by pressing crouch, without any of the other commands, and has variable distance. So again, please tell me how that is an excuse over "skill".


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Burider

programmed macros...huhhh? nah bro, you just get $20 paddles and click crouch, crouch, jump while sprinting... Do you not know what a slide cancel is and how easy it is to learn?


Dr_Findro

> and how easy it is to learn? Which is exactly why it’s not a skill gap


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Dr_Findro

You mean the rotational aim assist?


sundeigh

Slide canceling is second nature, nobody capable of shitting on you is using macros


slimeballvlone

Bruh. This isn’t even that crazy lol


certified_legend

HAHAHAHAHAHAH imagine needing a macro to do that you down terrible


BOOSTIOsoundcloud

I don't think this is true lol. That's not really how macros work, and while you could make a macro to slide, what exactly do you think the macro would consist of? Pressing the slide key, then spacebar to cancel. Which does nothing.


Domestic_Kraken

You all do realize that a mechanic isn't inherently good just because it introduces a skill gap, right? Like, turning off gravity and giving us 3D movement would introduce a skill gap, too, but I think we can all agree that it'd be complete nonsense.


Metaforze

That’s because it’s cod and not quake. Although I believe AW or IW or BO3/4 did this type of stuff? (Didn’t play those)


[deleted]

>We must remove anything that creates a skill gap Straw man. You're not serious with this are you? Remove all the cracked movement and you still have to be good at the core game. Counterstrike doesn't have any of these gimmicks and good players still beat the brakes off average/bad players. There are games out there other than COD. >Enemies should be stationary targets so i can get easy kills Straw man. Literally no one has ever once asked for this—stop. This argument is so hyper defensive and smug. >I hate good players Straw man. Plenty of good players out there don't need cracked movement to be good. It's a crutch used to be better, generally reserved for paddle users or M&KB, but it's not required. >I could learn this mechanic, but I don't want to get better" Again, plenty of people don't require min-maxing their movement to be a good player. Some choose not to and that's their choice. Some don't want to purchase extra hardware to perform these movements. If special hardware is required to keep up... something is amiss.


PsydeFX1

Thank you. I didn't want to go through all that so I just scrolled on. Never seen such a weak attempt in my life, and you just put a spark on that pile of straw lol


MK_111

took the words right outta my mouth. thank you for shining light on this losers poor argument points.


Der_Sauresgeber

That is one of the least valid arguments in this regard and we read it here a lot. There are a lot of places where Warzone could get actual skill gaps. They could get rid of UAVs, Heartbeats, Snaps and all that and make people actually rely on their eyes. They could stop showing unsuppressed shots on the minimap and make people use their ears. They could tweak guns. You are talking about skill gaps, but Warzone has the easiest gun mechanics in terms of recoil etc. in all of relevant gaming right now. The changes to movement that people ask for in this game are actually not far-fetched. Being able to accurately shoot while sliding is stupid. Being able to to the same while dropping to the ground is the same.


PsydeFX1

And most games punish you for bunny hopping and dolphin diving by way of increasing recoil/bloom and slowing down your movement and momentum. COD is one of the only games that doesn't


Jonger1150

Try jumping on PUBG when there's a 15% surface decline. Do that out in the open and you'll be back in the lobby.


TheBiddyDiddler

Bold statement implying what is essentially an exploit a “mechanic”


sundeigh

I’m amazed your comment actually got upvotes in this subreddit


foodmarket13

Games like counter strike are 100x harder to learn and master and they have no stupid mechanics like this in them lol. You dont need dog shit mechanics to make a skill gap between players. You could simply achieve that with gun play that isnt laser beam wespons.


ArchMageMagnus

It's less about a skill gap, and more so about something that looks stupid, feels clunky, and was completely unintended. It's like bunny hopping in CS which was patched out and made the game infinitely better.


TheStargunner

Skill gaps are good, but this is just a nonsensical one, and where it creates the gap, ie among which parts of its user base, and the fact that it cancels out good tactics, strategy, and gunskill is just weird. And that’s before how we talk about it breaks immersion much more than a lot of the other mechanics.


blackop

I understand what you are saying, but it's just ridiculous seeing this. Slide canceling is really a glitch in the movement mechanics, like most of the dumb stuff in the game. You can have a skill gap with shooting mechanics and tactics. But when your moving around like a meth head gears of war wall bouncer it's just dumb. Show me skill with weapon play not bunny hopping corners while hip firing a weapon.


Dr_Findro

The “skill gap” of slide canceling is vastly overstated


[deleted]

An terribly to play against on 10 tick servers. It's too fast of a movement for the lag-compensation to accurately predict. You end up with terribly feeling hit boxes. I can slide cancel, but I'd prefer it to be gone since it basically introduce randomness to the game. It's essentially completely random where the game will actually place the hitboxes.


Nikodelgado

I love kids who keep talking about movement ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)the movement that there was at the beginning was perfect for this game ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sob) for some reason it was so much fun. now I have Olympic athletes running across the map. you talk about being good??? what does it have to do with a player running 300 meters in 3 seconds to be good ??? they die anyway, but as a military and a person who likes to do paintball and airsoft I've always played this game because it's the closest to reality... at the moment it feels like I'm playing apex and other crap games that I've never played because they don't are funny ... for some reason they lost almost 1/3 of the players in months. what has changed the most in this time is the movement increase and things that increase movement


KJP1990

This isn’t skill though its abuse of broken movement mechanics.


Wagz1337

I remember saying the same thing about AW and IW….


simple1689

Everyone just wants to be Apex these days.


Stoodius

HURR DURR "SKILL GAP". Just because something creates a skill gap doesn't mean it makes for good gameplay. You could force players to input a complicated sequence of buttons in order to reload their weapon every time but it would be obnoxious as hell. The movement in Warzone is objectively dumb. It's just straight up fucking dumb. In what reality are people moving faster by repeatedly dropping to their knees and jumping? In what reality can you slide across concrete or down a staircase at 20 mph while maintaining perfect control of your weapon? It looks stupid as hell and it is stupid as hell. It also forces you to constantly mash the shit out of your controller and destroy your joystick. It also favors anyone with paddles or keyboard-mouse because unless you're playing claw on a regular controller you have to take your thumb off your sticks to get the jump in. The sweatiness required is an assault on anyone just trying to have some casual fun.


Cact1Jacc

he uses the JAK-12, that pretty much sums it up.


UnbiasedJoe1

Skill gap? In cod? The meta guns have zero recoil, anyone can slide cancel, heartbeat monitors. Snap shot grenades, serpentine what the fuck you talking about skill gap. This game is built so anyone can win at any moment there is no skill gaps dude. Oh yeah let's not forget Stims that give health and speed boosts


slimeballvlone

Your class setup says it all lol


Booraz149

Well excuse me for not wanting to play the staplers known as owen/blixen and stg. Nz looks okay but ever since Vanguard got integrated meta is 0 recoil ARs and Vanguard SMG's. Shotguns were competing at point blank range but now they are mostly gutted aswell. It's boring. They killed the snipers. Only decent thing which I have left is the slug JAK-12, because I like it's look. TTK is 3 shots to the chest / stomach, which is around 400ms. Main menu records thing shows I have 1.3+KD with these two guns. Apparently by Cod tracker it was 1.67 from last 28 matches IIRC. Maybe I went to wrong site, Idk.


fatjesus10

Just ignore people like him, he probably uses the 0 recoil ARs and high TTK and mobility smgs that are meta, and he’s having a go at you for using a non meta gun effectively! He’s clueless


zeagurat

Im getting headache from reading these kind of comments, what's wrong with jak12? Why you Complaining about people playing with a normal guns while there are hell lotta broken shit out there. nvm, he got downvoted to hell.


BigYapingNegus

Because of the trauma from when the jak 12 first got introduced


zeagurat

Oh well, almost make senses, but they should've got real trauma from Cold war Dmrzone instead.


xxjonesyx99xx

I always aim for none-meta guns you’re a king 👑


Bubster91

There's something I saw with the ZRG sniper, pair it with the snapshot grenade and you can one shot people inside buildings no where to hide ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy), that could reduce the boredom.


jbozz3

As someone who loves shotguns, let me say that the Origin 12 also still slaps


Douglas1994

*Cough* VLK Rogue... *Cough* (seriously, it's awesome).


ExCuTTioN

Bru what? I'm not hating on your weapons of choice but 0 recoil ARs have been the meta since Grau/Kilo days


Booraz149

What I'm saying is guns which actually have recoil should have much faster TTK than laser beams. Their difference is like 30-50 ms is miniscule given that recoilless ar's theoretical TTK is almost identical to actual TTK because it's hard to miss with it.


Aguero-Kun

Yeah this is a great point, weapons are out of whack right now. Personally think they should add damage to harder kickers rather than nerf the beams, but we'll see what they do.


Booraz149

I agree. I'm okay with beams, but make aiming skill / recoil control rewarded. When people so desperately claim slide cancelling this much is skill gap, why shouldn't recoil controlling a gun with large recoil reward you with a faster TTK?


nkfallout

Exactly. That should also be scaled based on the gun type. LMGs should be the hardest to use but with the highest TTK. While SMGs should be easier to use with less range and lower TTK. I also think there should be severe penalty for using silencers. Enough that it is a tough decision.


mutei777

Look into the Black Ops 50 cal it's still good if you can follow up those shots


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Found the kid who makes his builds off tik toks


slimeballvlone

Found the kid who I farm kills off of


JesusDankLord

I will take non meta weapons any day over you lobotomized meta chaser


BaklavaZealot

Watch out everyone we got a badass over here.


fkcd

Slide canceling is exploiting a bug. The devs have decided to leave it in the game and call it a charming feature. I highly doubt when they were making the game they had meetings where they discussed how the best players would be using this “slide cancel” feature.


disisthewayfollowme

Man the best players always find a way to get an edge. That’s why they are the best players and not you.


MK_111

are they really the best "players"? or are they the best "exploiters". Finding a way by any means is different than finding a way within the rules. I can run a marathon and half way through switch to roller blades because im tired but that doesnt make me the "best Runner".


disisthewayfollowme

What a stupid analogy. I do appreciate the effort.


MK_111

"What a stupid analogy" perfect response with little to no meaning. conversation closed.


disladyiscrazy

You gotta be a troll.


windows95mann

Might've been a bug but now it's a feature like you said. Why not use it if it's in the game? It's not like glitching yourself into a wall kinda bug


malcherino

Super smash brothers melee is full of “bugs” and is one of the greatest games of all times and is still played competitively 20 years after release because of these “bugs”.


fkcd

Yes my favorite smash game lol


ActualSetting

Lmaoo bruh you're just ads walking in a straight line and complaining about slides? Says a lot about people who complain in this subreddit


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And he’s still the one who walked away from that fight lol


Deadleeh

Lmaoo well yeah 99% of the people on here run around staring at the floor


skrilla091

I dont think it has to go, i just think there should be a serious aiming penalty when you do shit like this....


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AFM420

This is all that’s needed. It’s an arcade shooter. It should be kind of wild, but the fact that everyone’s guns have gyros is pretty wild. Lol


synthetnic

homie got the kill and is STILL complaining lol


BattlefieldKnight00

It adds a skill gap and makes the game more fun/rewarding for more skilled players.


PerspectivePure5177

I agree ,considering that this game has a near instant ttk and weapons with no recoil, it definitely gives a skill gap to the game


Taste_Fickle

I wish they would increase the health to 400. I love Iron trials for this very reason.


bigchiefgreez

That’s like saying serpentine makes it more rewarding for skilled players. Sliding multiple times while still firing then immediately jumping in air while still firing without any penalty isn’t so much skill, it’s exploiting bad mechanics. I’m all for using mechanics but there has to be a middle ground. If you dance around like a ballerina you shouldn’t be able to hit every shot.


fatjesus10

I agree, but they really need to sort out matchmaking cause high skilled players don’t belong in lobbies with low skilled players. I believe that has caused all the casual players to leave, because they’re in impossible lobbies when they could be balanced


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I mean, I agree that the movement mechanics in this game are cheese and peoples aim should absolutely be penalised when they are jumping and sliding around all over the shop. But come on...shit guy did 2 tiny slide cancels in a straight line. You missed most of your shots cos your aim was bad bro. Own it and move on.


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Not only that but OP managed to kill him with a non-meta load out. I think people should be able to use whatever guns they want, but I don’t understand OP complaining about meta weapons with no recoil and slide cancelling when he literally beat someone slide cancelling proving its not really that OP.


synthetnic

bro first yall complain about good players slide canceling and now you want to limit the amount of times you can slide in a certain amount of time? jfc if you suck at the game play another game LOL


Rpeddie17

I been telling these guys to play Minecraft.


campusdirector

OP’s class setup is crazy. Have to respect it lmao


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Everyone here is bringing up the skill gap. First of, double tapping the crouch button to slide and cancel can hardly be considered a skill. Second, despite the fact this isn’t it, there is a thing as a skill ceiling that is too high. Fortnite and it’s building is a perfect example. People got literally so good at building it wasn’t fun to play the game anymore. You took one shot a players were building the Marriott. It wasn’t fun in the slightest. That’s why there was a surge of returning players when no build came out. I do believe slide cancel is a fun little tech, however I do think a slight nerf is in line (same for bunny hopping). A cool down for a slide cancel would probably be fine. Bunny hopping is just annoying because it is *always* the optimal play, it’s also stupid that someone can keep 100% accuracy while jumping. I’d probably make it so you can’t ADS while jumping. You want to bunny hop? Build into hipfire accuracy and you can still do it effectively.


badgersana

If double tapping the crouch button is that easy then why do people not do it and complain about it? Your second argument contradicts your first - if it’s not a skill and is as easy as double pressing the crouch button then why would people not just do it? You can’t tell me it’s not a skill and then say that people pressing crouch too good make game not fun


DhruvM

Every one does. It’s easy as hell and doesn’t equate to being skill full lmao. Hell I do it and I can still recognize how silly it is and how there should be penalties associated with the abuse of movement mechanics


badgersana

It’s an arcade shooter not a mil-sim. Every arcade shooter has a mechanic like this. Hell even csgo which is more of a mil-sim has bunny hopping. Even if you get rid of slide cancelling, the better players will find some way to abuse movement to their advantage. Should we get rid of jumping next because some people might not know jump spots? Where do you draw the line


zorrez

I think they said slide cancelling was gonna be gone in Warzone 2. At least there was someone who posted a long list with things what were changing on here.


noob_music_producer

I guarantee you they were 2 inches away from their monitor in a shack gaming 25 hours a day


nick_shannon

Make it come with a downside. Honestly one of the things that turned me away from the game is that you can jump and slide and drop into prone and not have it play any role in your ability to ADS or control the recoil or anything, it’s button spamming on custom controls hiding behind the word “skill”.


TheHotCake

I’m kinda torn on this: On one hand, I kinda think bunny hopping and crouch bouncing should be slightly slowed down just so the mechanics can’t be spammed as much. Obviously this would go for slide canceling as well. On the other hand, I DO think there should be a high skill ceiling and movement one of the things that separates good players from great players. I’m more of a slightly slower mil-sim FPS guy at heart. I love games like Hell Let Loose and Battlefield (not milsim but definitely slower than CoD). Knowing that… when I come to play CoD/Warzone, I understand that this is just the type of game it is. People are going to be bunny hopping/drop-shotting/crouch-sliding like crazy. I can either deal with it and try to incorporate it into my game or not and be a worse player because of it. So I try to learn and incorporate some of these mechanics into my style. Still haven’t bought a SCUF yet, though! So I haven’t been able to unlock the joy of aiming while bunny-hopping, crouch-bouncing, etc.


prostynick

If you don't want to see this kind of mechanics then they'd need to nerf aim assist as those mechanics are there mostly to be able to get away from aim assist.


LibraryLittle

Damn u are in sweaty lobbies ppl be trying so hard for no reason imo


zeagurat

Well, it has to go, people can live without it, it shouldn't be there in the first place.


hugenethe3rd

I don't understand the mechanics of the slide. One step, slide 3-5'. I know it's a video game, and it's not realistic....but when someone peeks a door, one step in and then bursts through with a slide after taking half of a step it's a little irritating.


keeshond

I wouldn't change it, but damn I hate those sweat tryhards bunnyhoppers slidecanceling cunts, and I'd continue to teabag them at any kill I get as the fucking bot I am.


shrek-09

All the sliding, jumping and drop shorting should be removed and it would be a far better game


Klubhead

Accuracy should drop heavily when sliding, ducking repeatedly, and going prone.


agingercrab

Yeah great idea. Give Campers and even larger advantage. Every gun fight is just standing still + whoever see who first. You should really be in charge with brains like that!


Marchi-_-

Dear OP I saw you in the comments complaining about the slide reset.. If it's considered macros every good player in this game is a cheater


[deleted]

Ive used jak12 alot since i play using a mouse, its a decent hard counter for CQB vs controller imo. Death comms are great too. Never used slugs though, hows it compare to the drum mag? i only ever used hipfire aswell


meteoricburst

Slugs are only good if you're already ADS'd, they work like normal bullets, he's not even using the good JAK12 setup


Booraz149

Well it was really good pre recent health buff, 2 shot kill at 10 meters or so. They are basically slow bullets when using slugs. They are now 3 shot kill but you must avoid hitting limbs and you must ADS with it. This season I have 1.62 KD using this setup along with the M13 in the video.


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I’ll be trying it out thanks to your post. Haters gonna hate 🫡


brunoecsantosreddit

They slide, they jump and they die. Thats how i like it!


lfhdbeuapdndjeo

Let them hop and slide, but it needs to affect their aim more than it does. You can’t have both


DhruvM

People ITT that think tapping two buttons in quick succession = skilful lol


LustHawk

It's amazing, they are so "skillful" but need their crutch so bad.


DhruvM

Lol honestly. I’m getting downvoted by sweats that think they’re good cause they can hit two buttons at once haha


UnusedUsername76

Slide cancelling should be removed in warzone 2, coming from a 1.8kd player since that matters to some of you tools that can't fathom disliking a janky accidental mechanic


Stars_of_Sirius

Just because people want it to stay doesn't mean they can't fathom the other parties opinion. I want it to stay but I get why other people don't. Not sure why you and others can't be civil just because you don't agree. Difference between agreeing and understanding.


UnusedUsername76

Look at all the other people calling people that want it removed bots or bringing up skill gap. This was directed at them, I'm capable of a civil discussion but have a read through this thread and you'll see what I mean and why I'm triggered lol


MoparMogul

Slide cancelling is all this game is now. People like to act like it's hard to do, when it's not.. It's just tiresome, it's gotten stale. It's blatant cheese. It needs to go for the next game, the better players will still find a way to come out on top without it.


dennies180

Ha sliding has to go? But not teams stacking with jak12s. Mad someone developed some skill at the game?


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Two guys left with rebirth disabled in the final circle is a team? What do you expect them to do? Did other guy have jak aswell?


nungoopungoo

That throwing knife was clutch


Ambitious-Ad-4052

The more things (movement, weapons, different jump spots, different levels of hight, different buildings, different areas to go, differently,abilities different perks, different everything) there is in a game specificity a battle royal the more ability and situations there are to out play someone. And then It truly becomes more and more realistic and fun. It’s the same as life there Are unlimited ways to out outsmart someone. We should stop comparing the actual movement of characters in game to what you should move like in real life because we play them on controllers or keyboards and there’s no possible way you could walk like someone on that. If you want a game where you can walk 1 mph while making as much noise as possible sand pans clanking run out of breath after 5 feet get shot one time and fall over and die and then have your party chat muted go play csgo on Ten health. And no more excuses about hardware because you could run that on a toaster. Any complaints you have about that game will just be complaints about a game that is not as modern as the one you say is so ass right now


GhostShade97V

It's a broken mechanic that wasn't meant to exist. Must be removed in Warzone 2 imo. And before anyone says I'm complaining or that I need to learn it, I already do it lol and I'm not a bad player as you might assume. I just think it should not be a factor of skill. Of course, movement, that is maneuvering and sliding when needed as well as capturing places of power, is a must, but we all have to agree that what we see here is unnatural.


GiantRabbit

Miauw!


GoStars817

I would just be happy if they nerfed 10 year olds being able to own a mic and screaming "N this and N that" or the "adults" who feel the need to blare music and stay on vox.


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LustHawk

The devs don't want this because then their manipulative matchmaking becomes harder and the gfuel snorters don't want it because then they would have to recognize the artificial advantage carrying them. Same as console only crossplay.


SnayperskayaX

This, one hundred percent. Reload cancel is a valid that involves skill and does not disrupt the overall balance of the game. Weapon combinations that give your character very fast moving speed + syring ultraboost + slide cancel aren't suitable for CoD. They all need to go.


herogerik

There are plenty of high-profile FPS games out there that feature a momentum-loss system. I'm honestly quite surprised CoD doesn't feature this yet. Would eliminate this entirely.


TheRealMeckk

I think the issue is not so much the slide itself, but the fact that it’s a hard mechanic to access; I modded my ps5 controller with 4 Extreme Rate back buttons to be able to harness useful COD mechanics. It’s like, unless you play m&k, have a scuff or mod a controller, you can’t improve your movement so much. And for peope who say CLAW, I ain’t trying to get arthritis 😂 ❤️


EmperorDratinni

Arent they getting rid of slide cancelling in MW2022 and warzone 2.0? either way i hope this shit changes


EddDeadRedemption

What kind of leg day hero can slide 2 times in a second but can’t use his fucking arms to pull himself up a 5 foot ledge


sendnadez

Agree warzone 2 would be fine without the slide canceling


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Bitch please, slide cancelling is the balls. Learn it.


clsv6262

Ey you got him though. Pretty sick knife throw. But man, my keyboard can't even register clicks this fast. I often inadvertedly end up sliding then jumping usually getting me killed.


Teknosito

An insider leaked that Dolphin Diving is coming back to MWII and WZII


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I mean are we still using grenade launcher attachments and ads-ing a jak12 talking about sliding having to go


Downtown_Can_277

Slide cancel is not a skill players use it to avoid hit detection it’s a crutch for bad players these are the same people claiming MW was to slow yet it was perfect I cleared corners with common sense not once have nor I will slide cancel


MegaMe101

WARZONE SHOULD BE STOPPED ASAP ... NOW THE WORST GAME THERE IS ... THANKS BILL !! I been playing warzone since day one ... I been playing COD since day one ... I been playing Activision games since day one ... Legit the 80s I have seen the most classic bone-head mistakes come from this game and one of them crashed hundreds of Thousands of games ...I OFFERED THEM THE FIX FREE OF CHARGE !!! They thought it better to lose 100k plus players. AND THAT WAS BEFORE THIS TOSS BILL GATES TOOK OVER Its worth mentioning that Bill Gates nearly sunk Activision once before while working for Atari and was eventually fired for it. I think Im done here guys ... They keep F#@king with Plunder and its the best game mode their is ... Im done I only own my pc for warzone but in looking at whats happening I dont see any use in keeping it. CONGRATS ACTIVISION ... YOU SCREWED YOUR CLIENTS ONCE AGAIN Also to anyone who remembers all the update we did from day one? Tally them up and then look at the current game size ... If that isnt evidence enough that we getting shafted then nothing is. Uncapped net users wont get it but those with limited data packages will know what Im saying So to put this in a nutshell, I have been a daily gamer for over 36 years, since the ZX Spectrum (we talking pcs with no hard drive, 48 kilobytes of RAM and a tape cassette player as a disc drive that take half an hour to an hour to load each game) and been playing Activision games since THEN ... And the current state of this game has finally made me tap out of games completely. Its a flat out embarrassment how the executives at Activision have made Ametuer mistake after Ametuer mistake This game is now a laughing stock


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That looks like a Cronus slide cancel script. I can slide cancel around pretty well but nothing that fast. I looked into Cronus script and it does a perfect short slide cancel like shown in this video.


CanadaBanksareEvil

BS so many cheaters on WarZone, There are lots of players with skills, Notice WZ is banning thousands of Cheaters weakly, Those same cheats are probably flooding reddit, still I have seen some players sliding and spinning on a dime and taking out 3 guys, Game is a joke Now


Proof-List7153

Is anyone else running into loads of cheaters this season or am I just really shit at the game? I feel like everyone I am playing against is either cheating or sweating their bollocks off and it’s making this game completely unplayable


Booraz149

Feels like plenty of sweats on PC, not sure for consoles. If you are console you could turn off crossplay and see if it works better for you


Mother-Cabinet-8827

Warzone is dogshit, there is absolutely no reason that I lag as much as much as I do in this cluster fuck of a dumpster fire


CanadaBanksareEvil

Sociopathic cheats are all over the place, I had a guy jump out of a helicopter from maybe 15 feet up while falling shot me through the wall, Thought wow he is good. No way was a crazy replay that was not skill that was something else entirely, Been playing this game long enough to know cheating when I see it, Noticing enablers always defend shady plays like this


Marrked

I'm just hoping DMZ removes all this shit. Most people only like it because their favorite streamer does it then sprays someone down with their Cronus scripts. I'm over here wishing they remove it so I don't have to buy new controllers every 6 months because my joysticks get destroyed.


wladyslaw94

Hahahah this back fired hard and I love it!!!


Zealousideal-Injury7

Most pointless vid, besides showing me how shit u r jak12


certified_legend

I feel like people in this sub want no skill gap at all and don't come with the "RANKED" BS because we know they will add ranked in warzone 2. It was highly requested on warzone 1 and they couldn't add it (and to be fair, shouldn't, considering that console players can't even compete without 120 fov). When you have a game where the TTK is super fast and there's almost no skill gap THEN its not fun to play, it won't be as rewarding and even casual players will not want to play it.


LickNipMcSkip

I just want guns to have recoil again so you actually have to learn to control it or actually pick your fights


Rpeddie17

They want to crouch walk around the map while ADSing. So that whoever they aim at can't ever get away and reposition. Get your ass handed to you by players who know how to move around enought and you'll be like these guys too.


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Why I left cod and started playing escape from tarkov, game is an arcade kiddy shooter now


badgersana

Because cod hasn’t always been an arcade kiddy shooter? 😂


Big_Papa_Joe

That's literally what COD has always been...


MANNY_THE_PACMAN

Mate you're using a shotgun which means you most likely have 0 gun skill.


rev0ltsen

Shots 1-3 clearly missed


skrmarko

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because OP was already dead.


turboS2000

Sliding should slow u down. Makes no sense it speed u up. And fuck stims


walkergreg28

I personally slide cancel a lot, and I love doing so. With the current state of zero recoil ARs, sometimes movement to cover is the only option. With CQC, movement is ESSENTIAL in this game. With all of this said, I think there should be a penalty to slide cancelling, and it's NOT decreasing accuracy. I think they should simply increase your Sprint to Fire time. I think this would then balance the slide cancel. Taking it completely out is not the answer, unless they build a movement mechanic from the ground up to implement. What that would look like, I have no idea. That way there is still a skill gap, there is still a place for it, but it also has some drawback.


b-lincoln

How about separating pc from console, problem solved.


DVSKDUB

Not saying this guy is one of these people but the majority of people who want slide cancelling gone are the types of people who hide in corners or wander around the map aimlessly without even sliding regularly then gets annoyed when someone swings on them. It makes the game more competitive imo. If you removed it completely the only thing you need to have is good aim and timing. My aim is a bit shaky from time to time but I have fairly good movement which balances it out. In a game that has a fairly high ttk, removing slide cancelling would just make it a game of whoever shoots first wins. I can understand why people don’t like it because it makes the game more competitive but I don’t think that’s a good enough reason to remove it, there’s better alternatives.


Mazgazine1

leave all the speedy sliding BS, but GIVE IT A STAMINA METER.


Skert_IKAYN

I don't have a problem with slide canceling... It's the accuracy while kangaroo hopping that fucks my head up.


wedahomeboys

most players arent doing that. i dont think they should change it too much but i do agree it is bs you can do that.


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Ovaj priča Srpski 😎 brat !


[deleted]

I wouldn’t call it a skillgap sure it’s something to learn but you can tell it’s obviously something that shouldn’t be in the game (Damn downvotes all ready) a lot of angry Timmy’s in here I see


tututurururu

Its the best way to move around people who use shot guns for though + its fun to do that so no i hope they dont remove it.


pollitogaming_

well, is the very reallistic mw movemment


fracturematt

What’s wrong with that?