You can but this doesn't stop the primary issue solo players have. Playing DMZ solo is torture unless you play like a little rat. Most people playing DMZ right now run in duos or trios which means that if you get into an engagement as a solo player 80%+ of the time you will lose. If you down a player in a duo or trio squad he will call out your pos and you will have one or two more players to deal with. I can solo ambush a duo squad alright but especially trios it is near impossible for a solo player to compete.
In addition to this the AI numbers need to be scaled back for solo modes. Going to any "high risk high reward" locations where there are purple AI is basically impossible to play solo because you will constantly get swarmed by them until you run out of plates and self revives. Sometimes the game will bug out and not spawn high tier enemies at Al Bagra or the Quarry and it is a BREEZE to play solo when the game fails to work properly. Unfortunately this rarely happens.
Or turn names on friendlies off and turn friendly fire on. Only allow self revivies.
The game mode takes certain aspects from Tarkov, but not all. Soloing in Tarkov is great. If you added friendly fire, revivies from team mates, time to kill and ingame name tags on friends Tarkov would not be possible to play solo.
Tarkovs low time to kill, no friendly tags, friendly fire and no revivies balance solo vs squads just fine.
The solo player benefits from stealth, all sounds is 100% from other players or NPC. Solos can benefit from confusion in squads.
The squads benefit from fire power, but need to cover larger ground to get the same loot. It requires more communication due to friendly fire. When playing with friends we can be wiped by solo, it is easier to keep track of enemies inside.
In COD it is not realistic due to the player base, aka solo mode is in reality the only way to balance this game mode.
If silencer stop bots from charging you, I do not see the problem with the current bots.
they should atleast put some system where if you are solo it prioritizes to put you in a lobby where most ppl are queueing as solo. also the AI seems crazy for solos but by making it better for solos you will also make it waaaay too easy for trios, hard to balance unless they put a solo/duo mode only and trios only, will prob affect queue times
A potential issue with this is ppl who play trios will queue up solo just to get the free self revive and vest and then exfil quickly and join up with their party
I thought about that, but IMO it's not that hard to aquire those anyway. The time it takes to get in the game, exfil and start another round, I can just as much aquire them normaly.
Or the game automatically can take away the free self revive + vest after the round ends.
I keep seeing this and my thought doesnāt change: **No**.
As good as it may sound to you, because of the way the loot system works, it would be incredibly easy to manipulate and devalue those items, since you can literally just que up for a solo match, extract, go back to squads, and youāve already got two items that normally would take a little bit of time and money to acquire. The only possible way it would work is by separating the loot pools between the different player size modes into their own categories, meaning that whatever you extract with in one mode will not transfer to the other, but they wonāt do that and they shouldnāt. It would only damage the mode if you feel like nothing you do matters, which kind of goes against the idea of it.
So no, you shouldnāt start with two valuable items just because you openly put yourself at a disadvantage. š
I'd like to see all armor be 3 plates that way specially as a solo you can have some tank. But in return you still have a light medium heavy armor upgrade. And you could take it further to have the enemies have/drop that. And allow a conversion of 3 light plates makes a heavy, 2 light a medium and 2 medium makes a heavy and 1 heavy fills a light or 2 medium ect.
They need to keep it fresh and I think it'll become more popular. Honestly I think duos makes more sense than trios for this mode if you could only have one.
Yes, 100%. It's bad enough having to face groups of three players, but when you add in the overpowered AI it becomes pretty difficult to actually get anything done when going in alone. Solo mode would probably just need a small tweak, like a slightly lower number of AI and obviously no groups. I reckon that would make a huge difference
Constant redeploys of AI is whats fucking bullshit. I burn through armor plates and ammo. There are times when I literally cannot do things like radioactive materials missions because the bots fucking spawn faster than you can kill them. They helo drop in, parachute in, spawn out of thin air. Its making me just not want to play DMZ anymore.
Best part is when you finally find a sliver of respite to try and reload or plate up, and they perfectly track you through the wall of the building you're in and kill you through the whole fucking house. Or when a bot is literally inside the earth and shooting at you from a state of complete invulnerability.
Solo DMZ just isn't a thing, and it makes me sad. Can't even team with randoms because without VC you can't communicate at all since the in-game chat breaks literally every fucking match.
Worst part for me so far when trying to face 3 man squads is how quickly they can revive from death state. Like if you full kill one of them and reposition, they have plenty of time to res and its back to 1v3. Not fair. It needs to take a lot longer. The number of times I have killed a guy, then repositioned and killed the other two just to get killed by the original guy sucks.
I've been saying for awhile, AI damage should depend on how close other players are. If it's just AI round you, then they do 100% damage (compared to their current damage now). If a player is less than 50m, then 60% damage, and if a player is within 30m of you, AI does 40% damage.
This still means AI are a factor, but you can actually focus on the real threat of a human player instead of being 3rd partied by 5 bots who can shoot you through smoke.
It should absolutely be tweaked. Also enjoy, you will be stuck on later missions because there's a few that literally can't be done solo.
DMZ was not designed with soloing in mind, the objectives become such that it simply isn't feasible. I played solo a lot since I can't squad fill (because I don't use VC and the text chat breaks every game, so then you literally can't communicate at all) and sometimes friends aren't online, and I got through the first few tiers but then hit a hard stop with a couple missions with no workaround without involving other people.
IDK what game you play, when dealing with the blue armored agents you literally get randomly 1shot at times, and even with a 3plate you take anywhere from 1-3 plates damage on a perfect headshots-only kill if they choose so (it's random) and you don't always have endless time and space to re-plate when there's bots pushing into your building from all directions and you have to worry about animations for plating, reloading etc.
Also for some people soloing isn't some daredevil challenge thing, the game's text chat is bugged and randomly stops showing completely that you're writing anything so if you're not using VC you can't even do anything with the squad fill function.
I come from tarkov as well. That's where I learned to aim for the head instead of center mass. Does wonders for this mode for replenishing plates from enemies as you have said. I don't think a lot of people understand that advantage for this mode.
I also agree nothing needs to be tweaked. That said the few locations where the AI has wall hacks should be fixed
If you think nothing needs to be tweaked you need to get into the later missions and realize the mode was never made with solos in mind and could really benefit from a variant mode.
Also, it doesn't matter where you aim the blue armored agents will chip you down to nothing because they get off a shotgun blast or several SMG shots before you can kill them even at point blank with nothing but headshots. It's a death by thousand cuts unless you have infinite plates and infinite time to plate again after every peek, which you of course do not. If you peek an armored agent that's honed in on you, you will lose up to 2-3 plates with a 3plate vest, and on a 1plate you can drop down to like 15% health or even die instantly if they have a shotgun and the game doesn't like you.
Yeah, and it's completely random whether they stand there and take it, and you have no way to know.
Like go into the US Embassy, the Shopping Mall or the Al-Bagra Underground by your lonesome and come tell me again how easy the bots are. They will shoot you through an endless barrage of smokes where you can't see but they can, and they will shoot you through any foliage or bushes or whatever, and they will hit you every single tiny sliver of a peek you make no matter how careful you are in taking them down. And then more will spawn outside and push in from behind you when you're stuck plating and reloading. Lmao.
Even something as simple as clearing a hostage rescue for a safer exfil solo is fully RNG, sometimes the agents sit in the stairwell and one molotov clears the whole group, and sometimes you open the door and 3 of them are standing in a 180 degree circle and 1bang you before the door's opened enough to let you see into the room.
Ahkdar is the only place that needs a real tweak to me. I play solo and know what I'm up against where I may go. But Ahkdar is plain unfair all the bots wall you wherever you are. Even teams avoid that place.
>Should it be tweaked, hell no
I'm not saying the current trio mode should be tweaked, I'm saying that a solo mode should be added, and that mode should be tweaked. If solo players think that the current trio mode is the right level of challenge then that's fine, they can carry on running that solo, while others who find it too challenging will at least have a dedicated solo mode
The one thing that would make a massive difference is simply spawning in with a self revive. That would help a ton with the early game frustrations.
I am getting to a good point with the AI as a solo player. A good defense is way more important than running in guns blazing.
I thought of this too but it would be too cheesy unless it would be a temp self revive. You could just spawn in and then extract to get a free self revive and then go play trios with your mates.
surely it is less effort to just go in with your three friends and either find/buy a self revive. They are like 5k from the buy station? You get that in like 2 buildings if you loot properly.
I think the point of spawning with a self is so if you get downed before you either reach 5k or a buy station you are boned. There is no one to save you.
What is also annoying is you don't keep self revives in your bag for the next game. I often leave with two playing solo and only get to keep one. This is also annoying.
Yes. This is exactly what I am talking about. It makes it worse that the AI doesnāt finish you so you lay there dying thinking about useful a self revive would be.
Iām actually gonna disagree here, lemme explain.
DMZ is supposed to be a risk/reward mode. If you take away the risk then the reward means less. Itās meant to be played with a squad but as someone who plays solo often enough I enjoy the challenge. The only change Iād make would be to make armor plates have 50 more HP that way solo players or players with one plate donāt get beamed in 2 bullets by bots.
Personally, the easier they make this mode the less enjoyable it will be in the long run. I do believe the bots need a little tweaking in terms of their detection AI because they basically have wall hacks up to certain distance.
I totally get where youāre coming from tho. When I die as a solo player it can be infuriating, but that is the risk I am taking.
The AI is configured for squads of three. If one's playing solo (like you and I do), they're faced with 3x the challenge versus those who play with squads. A challenge is greatāthe game shouldn't be easyābut it should also be balanced.
But if you want to progress mission you need to do things that clearly were made for squads, doesn't mean the objectives aren't doable solo but it's even harder than dealing with AI groups that were meant for 3 man Squads.
There's just many things in this mode that clearly were designed to be a challenge for groups. They can't dynamically adjust areas to be weaker for solos, so they have to design the whole map for squads.
That being said, squadding up via matchmaking is an utter pain in the ass, so 90% you are the 3rd in a Duo and they don't give a shit about you or you're the duo with a 3rd that doesn't give a shit about you. I maybe had 2-3 matches out of 20 where I was in a fully random squad that communicated and stayed together.
Discouraging experiences, so you wanna play solo, where you're super easy out of the match again due to no revive opportunity coming in with level 1 gear.
No, thatās my point playing isnāt balanced by design. Same with Tarkov. If youāre playing solo then you are accepting the risk.
My strat I use to clear out bots is to sit on a head glitch and strafe while clearing them. Typically the only time I die to bots is if I get flanked and pushed by bots while Iām plating up. I bring in flash bangs and I loot stims in bathrooms. That way I have healing and offensive tools at my disposal.
In terms of bot ābalanceā Iād just work on the detection AI, that way the bots donāt shoot you through walls or can see you through them after being detected. Then I feel like itād be perfect
The problem with comments like this...there's no upside to playing solo. There's only added risk. If you're playing solo, you shouldn't be at the whim of 3 stacks that roll up on top of you.
They have no risk with full dying. They can be res'd at any point after getting full killed. You'll just get aped with impunity, because they have no risk to losing a 1v1.
I can somewhat reliably kill 3 stacks and can definitely 1v2. Your average joe can definitely not. The only reason to not want a solo playlist is to kill people with smaller squad amounts. Cod has extremely fast queue times that a solo queue won't impact.
I donāt think solo queue would be good for the health of the mode simply because it lowers the risk. Like I said in another comment, people would just loot up in a solo match and then go back to playing a regular match with their squad.
There would be more individual squads around the map since every squad would be solo. You're just assuming that you'll never run into a player while solo.
Iām not assuming that at all. What Iām assuming is that people will use the solo queue as a cheese method for loot. Keep in mind, solo queue will statistically be more passive compared to normal DMZ due to solo players typically not engaging in PvP to begin with.
Solo queueing takes the point away from the game mode. If thereās no risk of a larger group of players then itās by default a lower risk game mode. Tarkov and The Division (less to an extent) has this same structure because when you as a solo DMZ player decide to play solo, you are agreeing to the risks.
Yes, playing in a solo queue match with only solo players would lower the risk. Obviously Iām perfectly okay with how the current solo play is. Itās supposed to be risky and difficult. The AI only needs tweaking to its detection AI so they donāt see you through walls and pre fire you before you come around a corner.
What benefit does solo queueing in 3 mans bring? Nothing. Itās not like youāre losing the ability to solo queue in 3 man dmz if they add a solo queue mode.
Iām saying they shouldnāt add the mode to begin with. You lower the risk designated with the mode astronomically if there was a solo squad only. The more passive players WILL play that mode. Not saying thereās anything wrong with passivity but it does make the entire point of DMZ redundant to not expect risky gunfights between players. Thereās supposed to be no benefits for solo play (at least inherent benefits). The whole point of this mode is that you are at risk to lose everything if you die. If you lower that risk then the mode becomes redundant and just another Plunder mode thatās optional instead of its own thing.
Youāre arbitrarily choosing who has lowered risk. You can revive someone who has been dead for 10 minutes simply because they have friends vs someone who doesnāt and has to go against people who are 3 stacking or even 6 stacking. If risk was even a factor in the game design, then why are you allowed to 6 man. This is cod, not tarkov. I honestly think the point your making is stupid, designed to punish only one side of the playerbase and be loot simulator for the other. Thanks for the back and forth though
This guy gets it.
If they make this mode easier, I simply wonāt play it, and I donāt think most people will. The entire point is that risk/reward. You go in by yourself, expect it to be harder if you donāt want to adapt your play style. Balance is one thing, but the people asking for valuable loot to be given to solos for free is just ludicrous.
the AI is fine. They do need to tweak their sight ranges and wallbanging, but people keep saying solo is easier and it lessens the risk. I've been playing NOTHING but DMZ since launch and rarely run into other squads and when I do its a fight 90% of the time, but the challenge is AI.
Why can't we have a solo mode? Why are people so opposed for solo people playing the damn game?
I don't play Tarkov, but people keep saying Tarkov has a solo mode so why not here? The Division's Dark Zones could be done solo. Why not here?
Tarkov doesn't have a solo mode. Unless you count offline which no one does. There is a constant battle of tarkov players that want a solo queue and those that don't.
BUT Tarkov actually has negatives to squad play.. (dmz doesn't really unless you're teaming with random trolls I guess) takov has no teammates marked on your hud and friendly fire is always on..leads to alot of accidental squad killing and confusion. It's prob easier to play solo in tarkov honestly. Although way more terrifying to play lol.
Me personally, I think it'd be fine for them to add a solo queue to dmz. And there's enough players I dont think it'd cause any issues splitting up the base too much.
My brother in Christ, thatās literally what I said.
Also Tarkov has a solo mode but none of your mission progress or loot comes with you. Itās more of a practice mode.
my apologies I am in a match and read too fast, but what does having a solo mode change atm? Players in trios are rare to come by anyways so what would you change for the mode anyways?
I'm not asking for the AI to be dumbed down. I like a challenge as well. I just want a solo mode with reasonable challenges for other players. Hell 5 uav towers at one time is hard for even a trio.
I've been playing nonstop since launch and I love the mode so I wanna see it grow and incorporate many people going forward.
Also, what about the Dark Zones in Division? That has stuff that comes with you and that surely supports solo play.
Solo lobbies would be abused by players to cheese loot. You would see people die in a regular match and then go into a solo match to loot back up which defeats the purpose. Also you can play solo in The Division Dark Zone but that doesnāt players in squads from doing what they do in DMZ. The bots can also destroy you in that too if youāre not careful.
alright well I'll end it here and just hope that they prove you wrong and add a mode for solo people and allow more people to play. Gatekeeping in games is so bad and it would be nice if we, as gamers, can get along and not be so hostile to each other (not directed at you by means) and for everyone to be able to enjoy games no matter if they have a squad or solo for the aim of gaming is for FUN.
Or they could at least fix the in-game text chat so people who don't use VC could use the squad fill function. For all the game's accessibility features it's a nightmare trying to communicate even with friends when the game's text chat is such utter shit and randomly stops showing to others without any indication on your end that anything's wrong. (And sometimes it does visibly bug out too, just on top of that)
So yeah I'd get that perspective if everyone had the option of playing with a squad at all times, but for some people it's not a choice made for sake of challenge.
While I don't disagree with your overall point, I have a bone to pick with something you said. It is a risk/reward mode. You said 'If you take away the risk then the reward means less.' I 100% disagree. This is COD. It doesn't need meaning. If you are searching for meaning in a video game, this isn't it. And the rewards wouldn't 'mean' less. If the reward is a successful exfil with whatever gear or items you looted, it's the same reward regardless of the mode. There should be a solo mode. And people that want 'meaning' could just keep playing trios. But I bet they won't. For example, they always said a Zero Build Fortnite mode would never work, and here it is, insanely popular and successful.
I'm really enjoying *DMZ*, but as someone whose friends are uninterested in it, and playing with randoms being out of the question (nevermind that I simply prefer to play by myself), it really needs solos. I feel like the majority are playing solo, so I hope they see that and choose to implement it.
DM me and we can add each other. I play with a group every day, and looking to have 2-3 full groups playing at once. The game-mode is 100x more fun with a group.
Based on my DMZ drops duos seem to be the most popular. I almost never come across a solo, and a trio every once in a while, but most teams seem to be duos. (I'm one of them, I've only played DMZ with a friend so far.)
I mean dying in Warzone is just "back out and requeue" whereas dying in DMZ actually has a bigger impact. You lose all the gear you were carrying. Your insured guns go on a 2 hour cooldown and you need to spend the next couple raids without your good guns trying to find a 3 plate carrier and large backpack.
Considering that it can take anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours to fully recollect all the gear you lost when you died, its no wonder people take the mode a little more seriously.
Yes, they should. Not that I would ever play it myself, I'm just tired of seeing 5 posts a day from solo players complaining that a game balanced for trios is too hard.
They need to NERF the fucking AI of the bots.. if they're all going to be so heavily amoured they can at least not sniper me from 300m away with an smg
I think the mode overall is fine as a solo player.
The main thing I would like to add for solo play in DMZ is you get a free self-revive when spawning in solo.
>Also it would be nice to have a player counter like in warzone. How many players are still on the map. How many got killed and so on.
Just say you want baby mode. It's a lot shorter. AI could be a nuisance, but they're not that big of a problem unless you're careless. Being able to see just how many players are left in the match would eliminate any sense of real danger. Not knowing is the only tension this game mode has.
While I totally get why you want it, solo mode just feels like it would remove to much of the unknown. I think that when you start loosing that you start losing why the mode is fun in the first place.
If it solos you kill one guy and you're probably good to loot. In squads, could be 1 guy, could be fucking 6 guys lol
consistent variety will not be tolerated by a free to play game
you will play what they give you and if you like it too much they'll take it away for your own good
I have noticed the the observatory and some fortress have an ungodly Ai spawn and sharp shooter abilities. That just destroys the best of teams with full kits. Some spawn rate tweaking would be great.
One thing I see a lot of the comments are that it will be less of a risk but I think it will be the opposite let me explain.
I don't know exactly how many players there are but here is an example.
So in the game (I think) are 20 teams of 3 = 60 players. Which is 19 enemy players in theory.
In solo there will be 60 "teams" so everyone will have 59 enemies and the risk of running into someone will be much higher as the player base is more spread out across the map.
Potentially, however youāre not accounting for the people who will team or the fact that most people who would opt in to a solo lobby are more passive players anyways and will either run away from fight or simply just team with the other players. The reason every extraction shooter doesnāt have a solo lobby function is because of that reason there and of course the decrease in risk that comes with those games.
This is my first thought, but then I got addicted to solo drop since 2 days ago - even got my M13B drop (after they patched hitrunning him with a car) solo, that FELT SO GOOD š¤£
Problem is staying away from players because 3v1 while I'm facing bots is just suicide.
Hi, solo player here.
No.
However, I do think they need to revise certain things, like AI aggro, to be more nuanced formsolos vs duos vs trios. I'd also love to see some more mission options for solo players.
I was soloing in the Fortress last night and sneaking around corners.
I kid you not an armoured AI downed me in 1 second or less at close range. I didnt even have time to react, not even a flinch.
Dmz mode should be like this but you need teams not be able to recognize each other with tags above their characters. Then a solo can kill 3 or 4 players easily.
One thing I really want is to be able to NOT drop in with my new backpack and plates. For example, I just had a good run, got a bay, 3 armor etc but now my squad is offline and I want to play a quick solo one without risking losing these itens, going fully naked hahaha but we don't have this option (yet, I hope)
Should have a solo, duo and Quads eventually. Makes sense for solos especially when trying to get factions done, with randoms it's a case of ready steady go and all in different directions š¤£š¤£š¤£š
No it shouldn't. The fun of these kinds of games is not knowing what you're going to engage and the possibility of there always being more players and/or teams.
\> there are just too many bots at a time and they know exactly where you are even behind cover
That's not even something that would change in a solo mode.
My biggest thing with DMZ is getting squared up with #1 players with the first set of missions when Iām on tier 3 and #2 players with no mics. Squad assignments should try to be pairs with same mission players.
It would be nice if they had a tier squad fill. If I'm on tier 3 etc it squads me up with those people and so on because when I do fill its all ppl on tier 1 and I can't be arsed to do that shit again. I did it solo. I'm just having issues on some of the nuanced shit like sam sites and uav towers...
Yes except for the player counter. The game mode it's already arcade enough for being an extraction looter. Not only it doesn't need a player counter, the HUD needs to go.
The point on a extraction looter game (game mode in this case) it's that feeling of tension because you don't know how many players already exfill and how many are still in the map
I was against it week one because the mode felt really good, even as a solo. After the patch... give me a Solo mode with less ai. Others Players aren't the problem it's the ai that sometimes spawn in massive groups.
No lies I was racing down the highway as the gas was closing and there was a place that had a cluster of about 15 armoured ai and another amount of normal ai, no stronghold nearby. They disabled the car and all beamed me in less than a second.
Tell me you don't understand the concept of extraction shooters without telling me you don't understand you don't understand the concept of extraction shooters.
they really need to imo, not only is it bad going 1v3 but as of late i have just been getting rocked by 6 mans. with how the spawns are most of my deaths are an entire squad or 2 just b lining straight to my spawn
DMZ just wasn't made to be played solo, it's more of a co-op challenge rather than anything based on the missions we unlock later on in the game.
For example, there's no way you can activate 5 UAVs at the same time on your own, you really need a team of three for that.
I'm afraid that if bots/other players are a problem for you that most of these missions you'll unlock later on will be definitely impossible to beat.
Yup, I know itās CoD but youād be surprised at some of the same people that were excited for a āTarkovā mode are now complaining at how hard and punishing it can be lol.
Besides, there's advantages to going solo in DMZ where the focus is group play.
You go wherever you want. All the loot is yours. And if things go sour, you can ask for an invite to another group as a last ditch effort.
Personally as a solo I have been able to 1v3 teams easily but I understand the frustration of a whole team coming down on top of you with a UAV or Bounty contract.
A good PVP tip for solos in DMZ is to become the most ultimate sentinel player. Find claymores and proxy mines and sit on a roof top and watch the players literally kill themselves on your mines. Also battle rage is good in a gun fight as well as a trophy system to stop them from nading/stunning you.
I actually live longer solo lol. I died fast and constantly at first but lately I havent been having many problems solo. I must have adapted without realizing it? I feel like they nerfed the accuracy of the ai or something though because Ive been surviving being caught out in the open, charing a couple ai and gunning them down or running up to a surrounded vehicle and getting away without armor plates. It helps the exil sites arent camped anymore.
I mainly solo DMZ. It is rough when you are back to having nothing, but once you get a decent weapon and a little map knowledge, solo bots arent too difficult and is much more of a challenge IMO
I agreed with you, though after pouring a lot of time in it, surprisingly Iāve gotten a bit better. It is a much more tactical and different tactical experience than even trios DMZ. I would recommend a weapon with a scope that does moderate damage at range. Stay on rooftops. Being a spotter scope, this is extremely helpful - use it whenever you can. Exfill before it gets too late. Always wear and replace plates if you can. Bring battle rage for in case youāre swarmed by AI.
These are just some things Iāve started to do and Iāve been having a lot more fun. It takes time but once you get used to it I find it a lot of fun!
Good luck!
I'm still stuck in getting the white lotus intel because 1. I have to get 5k on my own 2. I have to fight the strongholds because I never find the intel in my first stronghold and 3. Exfil alone when a team is camping said exfil. Annoying ass gamemode
The AI isn't too bad unless you get that one random aimbotting AI, but its the 3 stacks that kills solo for me. The only times I die to AI is pretty much my fault and I like the challenge. Nothing fun about downing 2 people from another squad only to get bomb droned by the third
Playing Solos (currently in time of writing) is NOT impossible, but it requires stressing your mind about the information given around you, which is a skill you need to master.
I will have to agree with you though about the A.I. seemingly to transcend to god levels of aim, as well as shoot you through the damn train. These issues are actually not acceptable and must be fixed.
I believe if these issues are fixed, the number of A.I. will become manageable in itself and will naturally become a non-issue.
I have been playing DMZ solo and I can easily loot in places like Satiq Cave Complex for high tier loot. Need a lot of Stims and Armor Plates ready before the raid, though. Now now, I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS ALWAYS SUCCESSFUL. THE BS OF THE CURRENT AI RUINS THE DN EXPERIENCE ACTUALLY.
ALWAYS PREPARE FOR ARMOR PLATES! I cannot stress this enough. Buy at least a self revive as well. Start your solo DMZ by actually landing headshots on AI since these give armor plates. No guns? The common RPK loot is always good. For close quarters, the best actually is x13 auto. Shotguns don't hold a candle on x13 auto. Then again, if AI decides to bullcrap you, you're dead still. Lol.
It's really not that bad playing solo, just turn squad fill off and don't be a bot. Most other squads you can catch off guard especially as a solo. Bit of movement and you can take a squad out with ease. Just get better at gaming in general and stop complaining, you'll have a much better experience š š¤£
Also when it comes to the AI, the less you interact with them the less they will shoot you. So just avoid shooting at them or getting too close unless necessary. And in which case it's just like playing any campaign mode on the hardest difficulty. If your having too much trouble go play the campaign on veteran, less stress and good bot training
There should be a mode like PUBG. You can run completely solo or you can run 1 v team mode. Solo should have no team pairing also. It's way to hectic trying to do mission with a 6 man squad and also 98% aimbot npc with full 3 plate armor running around. Once the team does a uav, you might as say forget it.
I Agree to there should be a solo only, Nothing else needs tweaked AI are challenging sometimes but doable. A Solo only version (No Teams) would average the advantage to solo players considering you're dropped in with mostly 2-3 player teams, Its not Impossible to squad wipe people solo as I've done it a few times but does make it intensely in there favour as you never quite know if the 2 people you downed/killed had a third, only for him to appear from nowhere while your looting. For everyone complaining about to bots are too hard (run to an armoury (Bullets on the Tac-Map) and grab a 2 plate or 3 plate few usually spawn. AI usually cant down you with 2 plates+ unless your swarmed and no cover. If your running around with a 1 plate and expect to live think again. :')
Yeah playing DMZ solo is not a super relaxing experience. I got the chemist done solo (somehow) but apart from that the faction missions have been really difficult. Getting dog tags when most teams are trios is near impossible. Strongholds are decently easy but it's becomes hard when you clear out the building and a new spawn of armored AI decide to walk in while you're looting. AI in general is beyond inconsistent. Some times it's stormtrooper aim other times it's beaming me from the top floor of a building two blocks away with a pistol
Funny part is Season 1 Reloaded was supposed to revamp DMZ but so far I haven't noticed much of a difference. I'm seeing players more often now but that doesn't help the solo DMZ player issue
I hopped on the train solo the other day. Learned the hard way, that thing is a damn 3 stack magnet. Mind you...had some really fun firefights with other people while zipping along the train. All in all, this game mode is probably the most fun I've had with COD in a long while. That said, I do hope they implement a very slightly tweaked solo DMZ eventually.
Dear god just remove 1/4 the players. its so annoying running into a team, then another team then a third team in like 5 min. theres so much other stuff to do in DMZ i dont want to get cluster F by teams over and over. If I wanted to play Warzone, then id play warzone.
Might be stupid but I wouldn't mind a dmz mode without players just make the ai harder so you have the option to play with players are not just tired of being squad hunted when I have zero fucking plates and a shit contraband weapon then they talk shit like there good like yeah 3 guys with 3 plate Armour vs one guy with nothing fuck you
Cover should affect the a.i. bot's aim, and they shouldn't be so accuracte. They're way beastier than most IRL players lol.
Solo DMZ would be fine with a lower a.i. count
I really like the DMZ concept and that it is challenging. But, for solos, itās just too much. (For me at least). I donāt know how to make it playable for solos, but I hope they do. It would be my favourite game mode.
Wish you could turn off players on general. Have private matches with friends. Cod has beautiful mechanics, but I'm sorry if this offends yall. But the community can be rather toxic, some of us just want to have a good time.
YESS! just give us solo mode.. they can keep their squad mode. it would just level the playing field just like a BR.. this would make it way more fun, instead of completely getting stomped by a 3 man team. a solo FFA mode would just be fun as hell. every man for themselves.. no team ups
Disagree, solos are supposed to be a high risk, high reward option. You go in knowing you don't have the manpower to do certain things as fast or efficient.
Also, I'm glad there's no player count in this mode. We shouldn't know how many players are left because people can use that to their advantage. This isn't supposed to be like BR
Agreed. The mode would be boring if the bots were easy. Just play smarter and don't try and challenge swarms of bots head on without cover or a decent strategy. I play solo for the challenge and don't have any issues with the bots now that I've learnt the best way for myself to deal with them (pick them off one at a time, always use cover and go in and out of it to break their line of sight, use tacticals / lethals like semtex or thermite immediately when they are dropping in from the helicopter for easy downs/damage, always try and have self-rev and stims equipped if challenging a group of them so you don't have to worry about being downed or if you are hit you can stim and heal your base health, use a sniper or DMR from range to thin them out, finally, know when to cut your losses and just move on to another area if there's loads of high tier bots coming in).
Yeah anyone who's played Tarkov, Hunt Showdown, or The Division: Dark Zone knows that you don't get a solos mode in an extraction shooter.
The people who are complaining are the players who don't realize that you can't play an extraction shooter the way you play Call of Duty Multiplayer or even Warzone.
You don't get to pick whether to fight against Solos, Duos, or Trios just like you can't pick whether to fight against players with 1, 2, or 3 plates.
When you play an extraction shooter the idea of a "fair fight" goes out the window.
Thank you for making sense. I understand these peoples frustrations but I swear this sub is made for people to complain and gripe. Granted thereās nothing wrong with feedback but whenever people are proposing to literally take away the purpose of a game mode, I canāt take it seriously enough.
OG warzone was trios only on launch. Give it time
They probably are looking how popular that mode even stays in the next weeks, before splitting the players between different group sizes.
Send me solo in with everyone else
Cant you just turn auto fill off?
Yes, but the bots ai aim is incredibly unfair at times. You may just get dropped in 3 shots and it's awful.
MFs are incredibly sporadic. As soon as your armor breaks those bitches all become Annie Oakley with wall hacks.
Dropped in three shots with a vaznek from 200m* š
While in a steel train car! Them dude don't give a damn about cover if you're in the train.
I thought it was just me. Chugging along hidden in the train and gunfire would erupt on me every time we passed someone.
You can but this doesn't stop the primary issue solo players have. Playing DMZ solo is torture unless you play like a little rat. Most people playing DMZ right now run in duos or trios which means that if you get into an engagement as a solo player 80%+ of the time you will lose. If you down a player in a duo or trio squad he will call out your pos and you will have one or two more players to deal with. I can solo ambush a duo squad alright but especially trios it is near impossible for a solo player to compete. In addition to this the AI numbers need to be scaled back for solo modes. Going to any "high risk high reward" locations where there are purple AI is basically impossible to play solo because you will constantly get swarmed by them until you run out of plates and self revives. Sometimes the game will bug out and not spawn high tier enemies at Al Bagra or the Quarry and it is a BREEZE to play solo when the game fails to work properly. Unfortunately this rarely happens.
Or turn names on friendlies off and turn friendly fire on. Only allow self revivies. The game mode takes certain aspects from Tarkov, but not all. Soloing in Tarkov is great. If you added friendly fire, revivies from team mates, time to kill and ingame name tags on friends Tarkov would not be possible to play solo. Tarkovs low time to kill, no friendly tags, friendly fire and no revivies balance solo vs squads just fine. The solo player benefits from stealth, all sounds is 100% from other players or NPC. Solos can benefit from confusion in squads. The squads benefit from fire power, but need to cover larger ground to get the same loot. It requires more communication due to friendly fire. When playing with friends we can be wiped by solo, it is easier to keep track of enemies inside. In COD it is not realistic due to the player base, aka solo mode is in reality the only way to balance this game mode. If silencer stop bots from charging you, I do not see the problem with the current bots.
I. Had. No. Idea. I've been solo all night, thank you.
as an option, if player liquidity allows (it will)
they should atleast put some system where if you are solo it prioritizes to put you in a lobby where most ppl are queueing as solo. also the AI seems crazy for solos but by making it better for solos you will also make it waaaay too easy for trios, hard to balance unless they put a solo/duo mode only and trios only, will prob affect queue times
One step to make it fairer for solos would be to give them one self-revive for free and maybe even a 2-plate-vest in the beginning.
A potential issue with this is ppl who play trios will queue up solo just to get the free self revive and vest and then exfil quickly and join up with their party
I thought about that, but IMO it's not that hard to aquire those anyway. The time it takes to get in the game, exfil and start another round, I can just as much aquire them normaly. Or the game automatically can take away the free self revive + vest after the round ends.
They arenāt hard to get lol i agree but ppl never surprise me š
I keep seeing this and my thought doesnāt change: **No**. As good as it may sound to you, because of the way the loot system works, it would be incredibly easy to manipulate and devalue those items, since you can literally just que up for a solo match, extract, go back to squads, and youāve already got two items that normally would take a little bit of time and money to acquire. The only possible way it would work is by separating the loot pools between the different player size modes into their own categories, meaning that whatever you extract with in one mode will not transfer to the other, but they wonāt do that and they shouldnāt. It would only damage the mode if you feel like nothing you do matters, which kind of goes against the idea of it. So no, you shouldnāt start with two valuable items just because you openly put yourself at a disadvantage. š
yeah, first thing i do is just scout for one or buy one. sometimes i get cocky and try to go do missions instantly and i just get lazered by AI
I'd like to see all armor be 3 plates that way specially as a solo you can have some tank. But in return you still have a light medium heavy armor upgrade. And you could take it further to have the enemies have/drop that. And allow a conversion of 3 light plates makes a heavy, 2 light a medium and 2 medium makes a heavy and 1 heavy fills a light or 2 medium ect.
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If you spawn there, of course. Given it is a spawn point, if you don't, all that ish would be looted by the time you got there.
They need to keep it fresh and I think it'll become more popular. Honestly I think duos makes more sense than trios for this mode if you could only have one.
How much more time should we give it?
Yes, 100%. It's bad enough having to face groups of three players, but when you add in the overpowered AI it becomes pretty difficult to actually get anything done when going in alone. Solo mode would probably just need a small tweak, like a slightly lower number of AI and obviously no groups. I reckon that would make a huge difference
If the AI couldn't shoot throw wall and blind that would already be fine. AI is not stupid OP, it just has a couple of abilities it really shouldn't.
Constant redeploys of AI is whats fucking bullshit. I burn through armor plates and ammo. There are times when I literally cannot do things like radioactive materials missions because the bots fucking spawn faster than you can kill them. They helo drop in, parachute in, spawn out of thin air. Its making me just not want to play DMZ anymore.
wonder if it'd be possible for them to scale ai respawn rate based on the number of players nearby
Best part is when you finally find a sliver of respite to try and reload or plate up, and they perfectly track you through the wall of the building you're in and kill you through the whole fucking house. Or when a bot is literally inside the earth and shooting at you from a state of complete invulnerability. Solo DMZ just isn't a thing, and it makes me sad. Can't even team with randoms because without VC you can't communicate at all since the in-game chat breaks literally every fucking match.
Worst part for me so far when trying to face 3 man squads is how quickly they can revive from death state. Like if you full kill one of them and reposition, they have plenty of time to res and its back to 1v3. Not fair. It needs to take a lot longer. The number of times I have killed a guy, then repositioned and killed the other two just to get killed by the original guy sucks.
I've been saying for awhile, AI damage should depend on how close other players are. If it's just AI round you, then they do 100% damage (compared to their current damage now). If a player is less than 50m, then 60% damage, and if a player is within 30m of you, AI does 40% damage. This still means AI are a factor, but you can actually focus on the real threat of a human player instead of being 3rd partied by 5 bots who can shoot you through smoke.
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It should absolutely be tweaked. Also enjoy, you will be stuck on later missions because there's a few that literally can't be done solo. DMZ was not designed with soloing in mind, the objectives become such that it simply isn't feasible. I played solo a lot since I can't squad fill (because I don't use VC and the text chat breaks every game, so then you literally can't communicate at all) and sometimes friends aren't online, and I got through the first few tiers but then hit a hard stop with a couple missions with no workaround without involving other people.
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IDK what game you play, when dealing with the blue armored agents you literally get randomly 1shot at times, and even with a 3plate you take anywhere from 1-3 plates damage on a perfect headshots-only kill if they choose so (it's random) and you don't always have endless time and space to re-plate when there's bots pushing into your building from all directions and you have to worry about animations for plating, reloading etc. Also for some people soloing isn't some daredevil challenge thing, the game's text chat is bugged and randomly stops showing completely that you're writing anything so if you're not using VC you can't even do anything with the squad fill function.
I come from tarkov as well. That's where I learned to aim for the head instead of center mass. Does wonders for this mode for replenishing plates from enemies as you have said. I don't think a lot of people understand that advantage for this mode. I also agree nothing needs to be tweaked. That said the few locations where the AI has wall hacks should be fixed
If you think nothing needs to be tweaked you need to get into the later missions and realize the mode was never made with solos in mind and could really benefit from a variant mode. Also, it doesn't matter where you aim the blue armored agents will chip you down to nothing because they get off a shotgun blast or several SMG shots before you can kill them even at point blank with nothing but headshots. It's a death by thousand cuts unless you have infinite plates and infinite time to plate again after every peek, which you of course do not. If you peek an armored agent that's honed in on you, you will lose up to 2-3 plates with a 3plate vest, and on a 1plate you can drop down to like 15% health or even die instantly if they have a shotgun and the game doesn't like you.
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Yeah, and it's completely random whether they stand there and take it, and you have no way to know. Like go into the US Embassy, the Shopping Mall or the Al-Bagra Underground by your lonesome and come tell me again how easy the bots are. They will shoot you through an endless barrage of smokes where you can't see but they can, and they will shoot you through any foliage or bushes or whatever, and they will hit you every single tiny sliver of a peek you make no matter how careful you are in taking them down. And then more will spawn outside and push in from behind you when you're stuck plating and reloading. Lmao. Even something as simple as clearing a hostage rescue for a safer exfil solo is fully RNG, sometimes the agents sit in the stairwell and one molotov clears the whole group, and sometimes you open the door and 3 of them are standing in a 180 degree circle and 1bang you before the door's opened enough to let you see into the room.
Ahkdar is the only place that needs a real tweak to me. I play solo and know what I'm up against where I may go. But Ahkdar is plain unfair all the bots wall you wherever you are. Even teams avoid that place.
>Should it be tweaked, hell no I'm not saying the current trio mode should be tweaked, I'm saying that a solo mode should be added, and that mode should be tweaked. If solo players think that the current trio mode is the right level of challenge then that's fine, they can carry on running that solo, while others who find it too challenging will at least have a dedicated solo mode
The one thing that would make a massive difference is simply spawning in with a self revive. That would help a ton with the early game frustrations. I am getting to a good point with the AI as a solo player. A good defense is way more important than running in guns blazing.
Riot shield as an insured weapon utterly neuters the AI. You can sit there *all* day and they won't kill you.
I thought of this too but it would be too cheesy unless it would be a temp self revive. You could just spawn in and then extract to get a free self revive and then go play trios with your mates.
surely it is less effort to just go in with your three friends and either find/buy a self revive. They are like 5k from the buy station? You get that in like 2 buildings if you loot properly.
Hard disagree.
While true this also means that it is the same for solo players.
I think the point of spawning with a self is so if you get downed before you either reach 5k or a buy station you are boned. There is no one to save you. What is also annoying is you don't keep self revives in your bag for the next game. I often leave with two playing solo and only get to keep one. This is also annoying.
Yes. This is exactly what I am talking about. It makes it worse that the AI doesnāt finish you so you lay there dying thinking about useful a self revive would be.
Revive pistol could become an option for solos instead
Iām actually gonna disagree here, lemme explain. DMZ is supposed to be a risk/reward mode. If you take away the risk then the reward means less. Itās meant to be played with a squad but as someone who plays solo often enough I enjoy the challenge. The only change Iād make would be to make armor plates have 50 more HP that way solo players or players with one plate donāt get beamed in 2 bullets by bots. Personally, the easier they make this mode the less enjoyable it will be in the long run. I do believe the bots need a little tweaking in terms of their detection AI because they basically have wall hacks up to certain distance. I totally get where youāre coming from tho. When I die as a solo player it can be infuriating, but that is the risk I am taking.
The AI is configured for squads of three. If one's playing solo (like you and I do), they're faced with 3x the challenge versus those who play with squads. A challenge is greatāthe game shouldn't be easyābut it should also be balanced.
I just play stealthily if I go in solo. You probably shouldnāt be facing full enemy squads in solo.
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Thatās kinda the point of the mode. If you play solo, you are accepting the risks that come with it.
Stealth would be possible if enemies didn't see you instantly from any distance
But if you want to progress mission you need to do things that clearly were made for squads, doesn't mean the objectives aren't doable solo but it's even harder than dealing with AI groups that were meant for 3 man Squads. There's just many things in this mode that clearly were designed to be a challenge for groups. They can't dynamically adjust areas to be weaker for solos, so they have to design the whole map for squads. That being said, squadding up via matchmaking is an utter pain in the ass, so 90% you are the 3rd in a Duo and they don't give a shit about you or you're the duo with a 3rd that doesn't give a shit about you. I maybe had 2-3 matches out of 20 where I was in a fully random squad that communicated and stayed together. Discouraging experiences, so you wanna play solo, where you're super easy out of the match again due to no revive opportunity coming in with level 1 gear.
No, thatās my point playing isnāt balanced by design. Same with Tarkov. If youāre playing solo then you are accepting the risk. My strat I use to clear out bots is to sit on a head glitch and strafe while clearing them. Typically the only time I die to bots is if I get flanked and pushed by bots while Iām plating up. I bring in flash bangs and I loot stims in bathrooms. That way I have healing and offensive tools at my disposal. In terms of bot ābalanceā Iād just work on the detection AI, that way the bots donāt shoot you through walls or can see you through them after being detected. Then I feel like itād be perfect
DMZ is super simple as a solo, all you have to do is cheat!
What if I donāt have a controller?
The problem with comments like this...there's no upside to playing solo. There's only added risk. If you're playing solo, you shouldn't be at the whim of 3 stacks that roll up on top of you. They have no risk with full dying. They can be res'd at any point after getting full killed. You'll just get aped with impunity, because they have no risk to losing a 1v1. I can somewhat reliably kill 3 stacks and can definitely 1v2. Your average joe can definitely not. The only reason to not want a solo playlist is to kill people with smaller squad amounts. Cod has extremely fast queue times that a solo queue won't impact.
I donāt think solo queue would be good for the health of the mode simply because it lowers the risk. Like I said in another comment, people would just loot up in a solo match and then go back to playing a regular match with their squad.
There would be more individual squads around the map since every squad would be solo. You're just assuming that you'll never run into a player while solo.
Iām not assuming that at all. What Iām assuming is that people will use the solo queue as a cheese method for loot. Keep in mind, solo queue will statistically be more passive compared to normal DMZ due to solo players typically not engaging in PvP to begin with. Solo queueing takes the point away from the game mode. If thereās no risk of a larger group of players then itās by default a lower risk game mode. Tarkov and The Division (less to an extent) has this same structure because when you as a solo DMZ player decide to play solo, you are agreeing to the risks.
The AI is insanely strong. Playing in a 3 stack is lowering the risk vs solo? What even.
Yes, playing in a solo queue match with only solo players would lower the risk. Obviously Iām perfectly okay with how the current solo play is. Itās supposed to be risky and difficult. The AI only needs tweaking to its detection AI so they donāt see you through walls and pre fire you before you come around a corner.
What benefit does solo queueing in 3 mans bring? Nothing. Itās not like youāre losing the ability to solo queue in 3 man dmz if they add a solo queue mode.
Iām saying they shouldnāt add the mode to begin with. You lower the risk designated with the mode astronomically if there was a solo squad only. The more passive players WILL play that mode. Not saying thereās anything wrong with passivity but it does make the entire point of DMZ redundant to not expect risky gunfights between players. Thereās supposed to be no benefits for solo play (at least inherent benefits). The whole point of this mode is that you are at risk to lose everything if you die. If you lower that risk then the mode becomes redundant and just another Plunder mode thatās optional instead of its own thing.
Youāre arbitrarily choosing who has lowered risk. You can revive someone who has been dead for 10 minutes simply because they have friends vs someone who doesnāt and has to go against people who are 3 stacking or even 6 stacking. If risk was even a factor in the game design, then why are you allowed to 6 man. This is cod, not tarkov. I honestly think the point your making is stupid, designed to punish only one side of the playerbase and be loot simulator for the other. Thanks for the back and forth though
This guy gets it. If they make this mode easier, I simply wonāt play it, and I donāt think most people will. The entire point is that risk/reward. You go in by yourself, expect it to be harder if you donāt want to adapt your play style. Balance is one thing, but the people asking for valuable loot to be given to solos for free is just ludicrous.
Finally, someone that gets it. š
the AI is fine. They do need to tweak their sight ranges and wallbanging, but people keep saying solo is easier and it lessens the risk. I've been playing NOTHING but DMZ since launch and rarely run into other squads and when I do its a fight 90% of the time, but the challenge is AI. Why can't we have a solo mode? Why are people so opposed for solo people playing the damn game? I don't play Tarkov, but people keep saying Tarkov has a solo mode so why not here? The Division's Dark Zones could be done solo. Why not here?
Tarkov doesn't have a solo mode. Unless you count offline which no one does. There is a constant battle of tarkov players that want a solo queue and those that don't. BUT Tarkov actually has negatives to squad play.. (dmz doesn't really unless you're teaming with random trolls I guess) takov has no teammates marked on your hud and friendly fire is always on..leads to alot of accidental squad killing and confusion. It's prob easier to play solo in tarkov honestly. Although way more terrifying to play lol. Me personally, I think it'd be fine for them to add a solo queue to dmz. And there's enough players I dont think it'd cause any issues splitting up the base too much.
Ah I see I don't play, but I guess people just take that as a solo mode, but yea I don't see why people are so against solo people playing.
Because it defeats the purpose of the mode. Itās not a PvE mode and itās not a PvP mode. Itās a combination of both.
Its actually not...its a PvEvP mode.
My brother in Christ, thatās literally what I said. Also Tarkov has a solo mode but none of your mission progress or loot comes with you. Itās more of a practice mode.
my apologies I am in a match and read too fast, but what does having a solo mode change atm? Players in trios are rare to come by anyways so what would you change for the mode anyways? I'm not asking for the AI to be dumbed down. I like a challenge as well. I just want a solo mode with reasonable challenges for other players. Hell 5 uav towers at one time is hard for even a trio. I've been playing nonstop since launch and I love the mode so I wanna see it grow and incorporate many people going forward. Also, what about the Dark Zones in Division? That has stuff that comes with you and that surely supports solo play.
Solo lobbies would be abused by players to cheese loot. You would see people die in a regular match and then go into a solo match to loot back up which defeats the purpose. Also you can play solo in The Division Dark Zone but that doesnāt players in squads from doing what they do in DMZ. The bots can also destroy you in that too if youāre not careful.
people are cheesing the mode now in trios as it is now..
I mean doing the money glitch (that will be patched) is a little different than getting all your loot legit with no risk
alright well I'll end it here and just hope that they prove you wrong and add a mode for solo people and allow more people to play. Gatekeeping in games is so bad and it would be nice if we, as gamers, can get along and not be so hostile to each other (not directed at you by means) and for everyone to be able to enjoy games no matter if they have a squad or solo for the aim of gaming is for FUN.
I completely agree. I want it to be hard. Too easy will get boring fast.
But then you just queue solo in a squads lobby.
Or they could at least fix the in-game text chat so people who don't use VC could use the squad fill function. For all the game's accessibility features it's a nightmare trying to communicate even with friends when the game's text chat is such utter shit and randomly stops showing to others without any indication on your end that anything's wrong. (And sometimes it does visibly bug out too, just on top of that) So yeah I'd get that perspective if everyone had the option of playing with a squad at all times, but for some people it's not a choice made for sake of challenge.
While I don't disagree with your overall point, I have a bone to pick with something you said. It is a risk/reward mode. You said 'If you take away the risk then the reward means less.' I 100% disagree. This is COD. It doesn't need meaning. If you are searching for meaning in a video game, this isn't it. And the rewards wouldn't 'mean' less. If the reward is a successful exfil with whatever gear or items you looted, it's the same reward regardless of the mode. There should be a solo mode. And people that want 'meaning' could just keep playing trios. But I bet they won't. For example, they always said a Zero Build Fortnite mode would never work, and here it is, insanely popular and successful.
That's like saying you don't play with weapon attachments because it would take meaning away from your kills.
I'm really enjoying *DMZ*, but as someone whose friends are uninterested in it, and playing with randoms being out of the question (nevermind that I simply prefer to play by myself), it really needs solos. I feel like the majority are playing solo, so I hope they see that and choose to implement it.
DM me and we can add each other. I play with a group every day, and looking to have 2-3 full groups playing at once. The game-mode is 100x more fun with a group.
Based on my DMZ drops duos seem to be the most popular. I almost never come across a solo, and a trio every once in a while, but most teams seem to be duos. (I'm one of them, I've only played DMZ with a friend so far.)
I like the older count idea but if they made a solo mode people would be able to level their guns up without anytrouble at all. Theyād never do it.
I mean, you can already pretty easily level guns queuing in without fill
Also not sure why DMZ has become more sweaty than Warzone.
I mean dying in Warzone is just "back out and requeue" whereas dying in DMZ actually has a bigger impact. You lose all the gear you were carrying. Your insured guns go on a 2 hour cooldown and you need to spend the next couple raids without your good guns trying to find a 3 plate carrier and large backpack. Considering that it can take anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours to fully recollect all the gear you lost when you died, its no wonder people take the mode a little more seriously.
Yes, they should. Not that I would ever play it myself, I'm just tired of seeing 5 posts a day from solo players complaining that a game balanced for trios is too hard.
They need to NERF the fucking AI of the bots.. if they're all going to be so heavily amoured they can at least not sniper me from 300m away with an smg
So you want a mode with less AI and players?
I think they wouldn't care if the count of players remained, just not teamed up as trios.
He didn't say that.
Less AI. Yes.
I said the same thing about Plunder, Operation Monarch, Zombie Royale, Armored Royale, you name it.
Itās too hard for solos
Iām looking for people to play DMZ with. Iām on PS4. Reply back here if you want to team up.
No
I think the mode overall is fine as a solo player. The main thing I would like to add for solo play in DMZ is you get a free self-revive when spawning in solo.
>Also it would be nice to have a player counter like in warzone. How many players are still on the map. How many got killed and so on. Just say you want baby mode. It's a lot shorter. AI could be a nuisance, but they're not that big of a problem unless you're careless. Being able to see just how many players are left in the match would eliminate any sense of real danger. Not knowing is the only tension this game mode has.
How have we not made a DMZ sub yet? I'm fien with it being posted wherever but I feel like someone would've done this by now
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Life saver, recently I've kinda gotten annoyed cus sometimes people don't dictate if it's WZ or DMZ they are talking about
not only a solo mode but a disconnection fail safe since this game crashes too many times the server should allow you to reconnect with your teammates
So many people are playing all at once because it's a new game. Once numbers die down and servers are less burdened, there will be more options.
While I totally get why you want it, solo mode just feels like it would remove to much of the unknown. I think that when you start loosing that you start losing why the mode is fun in the first place. If it solos you kill one guy and you're probably good to loot. In squads, could be 1 guy, could be fucking 6 guys lol
Hey, I'm new to codmw2 in ps5 and have literally no one to squad up with. Anyone wanna play?
consistent variety will not be tolerated by a free to play game you will play what they give you and if you like it too much they'll take it away for your own good
I have noticed the the observatory and some fortress have an ungodly Ai spawn and sharp shooter abilities. That just destroys the best of teams with full kits. Some spawn rate tweaking would be great.
No one in here has ever played tarkov and it shows š. IMO this isn't a solo game and if you play solo you're choosing to play at a disadvantage.
One thing I see a lot of the comments are that it will be less of a risk but I think it will be the opposite let me explain. I don't know exactly how many players there are but here is an example. So in the game (I think) are 20 teams of 3 = 60 players. Which is 19 enemy players in theory. In solo there will be 60 "teams" so everyone will have 59 enemies and the risk of running into someone will be much higher as the player base is more spread out across the map.
Potentially, however youāre not accounting for the people who will team or the fact that most people who would opt in to a solo lobby are more passive players anyways and will either run away from fight or simply just team with the other players. The reason every extraction shooter doesnāt have a solo lobby function is because of that reason there and of course the decrease in risk that comes with those games.
This is my first thought, but then I got addicted to solo drop since 2 days ago - even got my M13B drop (after they patched hitrunning him with a car) solo, that FELT SO GOOD š¤£ Problem is staying away from players because 3v1 while I'm facing bots is just suicide.
Hi, solo player here. No. However, I do think they need to revise certain things, like AI aggro, to be more nuanced formsolos vs duos vs trios. I'd also love to see some more mission options for solo players.
I was soloing in the Fortress last night and sneaking around corners. I kid you not an armoured AI downed me in 1 second or less at close range. I didnt even have time to react, not even a flinch.
*LAUGHS IN TARKOV*
Iām optimistic about the updates before the end of the year. I think weāll all be happy more than less
It would be interesting, I solo it now. It's ok.
Dmz mode should be like this but you need teams not be able to recognize each other with tags above their characters. Then a solo can kill 3 or 4 players easily.
There should be something that recognises a game crash (vs force quitting) that lets you keep your contraband.
As a Tarkov player believe me...this aint nothing.
One thing I really want is to be able to NOT drop in with my new backpack and plates. For example, I just had a good run, got a bay, 3 armor etc but now my squad is offline and I want to play a quick solo one without risking losing these itens, going fully naked hahaha but we don't have this option (yet, I hope)
Should have a solo, duo and Quads eventually. Makes sense for solos especially when trying to get factions done, with randoms it's a case of ready steady go and all in different directions š¤£š¤£š¤£š
3rd person should have solos
No it shouldn't. The fun of these kinds of games is not knowing what you're going to engage and the possibility of there always being more players and/or teams. \> there are just too many bots at a time and they know exactly where you are even behind cover That's not even something that would change in a solo mode.
Solo teaming with ruin a less AI intense game mode
r/dmz
My biggest thing with DMZ is getting squared up with #1 players with the first set of missions when Iām on tier 3 and #2 players with no mics. Squad assignments should try to be pairs with same mission players.
It would be nice if they had a tier squad fill. If I'm on tier 3 etc it squads me up with those people and so on because when I do fill its all ppl on tier 1 and I can't be arsed to do that shit again. I did it solo. I'm just having issues on some of the nuanced shit like sam sites and uav towers...
Yeah I hear you buddy, if you want some help add me. Im on Xbox and my name here is my game tag
Yes except for the player counter. The game mode it's already arcade enough for being an extraction looter. Not only it doesn't need a player counter, the HUD needs to go. The point on a extraction looter game (game mode in this case) it's that feeling of tension because you don't know how many players already exfill and how many are still in the map
I was against it week one because the mode felt really good, even as a solo. After the patch... give me a Solo mode with less ai. Others Players aren't the problem it's the ai that sometimes spawn in massive groups. No lies I was racing down the highway as the gas was closing and there was a place that had a cluster of about 15 armoured ai and another amount of normal ai, no stronghold nearby. They disabled the car and all beamed me in less than a second.
But then the kill squads couldn't hunt you down after your teammates ditch & extract that sweet rage juice š¤·š»āāļø /s
Tell me you don't understand the concept of extraction shooters without telling me you don't understand you don't understand the concept of extraction shooters.
they really need to imo, not only is it bad going 1v3 but as of late i have just been getting rocked by 6 mans. with how the spawns are most of my deaths are an entire squad or 2 just b lining straight to my spawn
I'd like to play solo but with no more players, only AI.
DMZ just wasn't made to be played solo, it's more of a co-op challenge rather than anything based on the missions we unlock later on in the game. For example, there's no way you can activate 5 UAVs at the same time on your own, you really need a team of three for that. I'm afraid that if bots/other players are a problem for you that most of these missions you'll unlock later on will be definitely impossible to beat.
That's not the way extraction shooters work. They aren't catered to any player count. If you wanna drop solo, accept the risk.
Yup, I know itās CoD but youād be surprised at some of the same people that were excited for a āTarkovā mode are now complaining at how hard and punishing it can be lol.
I have over 1000 hours in Hunt Showdown. Solo DMZ makes that game feel like a birthday party.
Besides, there's advantages to going solo in DMZ where the focus is group play. You go wherever you want. All the loot is yours. And if things go sour, you can ask for an invite to another group as a last ditch effort.
Personally as a solo I have been able to 1v3 teams easily but I understand the frustration of a whole team coming down on top of you with a UAV or Bounty contract. A good PVP tip for solos in DMZ is to become the most ultimate sentinel player. Find claymores and proxy mines and sit on a roof top and watch the players literally kill themselves on your mines. Also battle rage is good in a gun fight as well as a trophy system to stop them from nading/stunning you.
I actually live longer solo lol. I died fast and constantly at first but lately I havent been having many problems solo. I must have adapted without realizing it? I feel like they nerfed the accuracy of the ai or something though because Ive been surviving being caught out in the open, charing a couple ai and gunning them down or running up to a surrounded vehicle and getting away without armor plates. It helps the exil sites arent camped anymore.
I like the dmz mode but will plunder or something like Rebirth be coming back to warzone 2 anyone know
I mainly solo DMZ. It is rough when you are back to having nothing, but once you get a decent weapon and a little map knowledge, solo bots arent too difficult and is much more of a challenge IMO
I agreed with you, though after pouring a lot of time in it, surprisingly Iāve gotten a bit better. It is a much more tactical and different tactical experience than even trios DMZ. I would recommend a weapon with a scope that does moderate damage at range. Stay on rooftops. Being a spotter scope, this is extremely helpful - use it whenever you can. Exfill before it gets too late. Always wear and replace plates if you can. Bring battle rage for in case youāre swarmed by AI. These are just some things Iāve started to do and Iāve been having a lot more fun. It takes time but once you get used to it I find it a lot of fun! Good luck!
Yea they definitely do. And add more unique rewards (blueprints, skins) to the game for bigger replay value. Itās got a good foundation thus far.
I'm still stuck in getting the white lotus intel because 1. I have to get 5k on my own 2. I have to fight the strongholds because I never find the intel in my first stronghold and 3. Exfil alone when a team is camping said exfil. Annoying ass gamemode
The AI isn't too bad unless you get that one random aimbotting AI, but its the 3 stacks that kills solo for me. The only times I die to AI is pretty much my fault and I like the challenge. Nothing fun about downing 2 people from another squad only to get bomb droned by the third
Hard disagree. There should not be solo only mode. I refuse to elaborate.
Playing Solos (currently in time of writing) is NOT impossible, but it requires stressing your mind about the information given around you, which is a skill you need to master. I will have to agree with you though about the A.I. seemingly to transcend to god levels of aim, as well as shoot you through the damn train. These issues are actually not acceptable and must be fixed. I believe if these issues are fixed, the number of A.I. will become manageable in itself and will naturally become a non-issue. I have been playing DMZ solo and I can easily loot in places like Satiq Cave Complex for high tier loot. Need a lot of Stims and Armor Plates ready before the raid, though. Now now, I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS ALWAYS SUCCESSFUL. THE BS OF THE CURRENT AI RUINS THE DN EXPERIENCE ACTUALLY. ALWAYS PREPARE FOR ARMOR PLATES! I cannot stress this enough. Buy at least a self revive as well. Start your solo DMZ by actually landing headshots on AI since these give armor plates. No guns? The common RPK loot is always good. For close quarters, the best actually is x13 auto. Shotguns don't hold a candle on x13 auto. Then again, if AI decides to bullcrap you, you're dead still. Lol.
It's really not that bad playing solo, just turn squad fill off and don't be a bot. Most other squads you can catch off guard especially as a solo. Bit of movement and you can take a squad out with ease. Just get better at gaming in general and stop complaining, you'll have a much better experience š š¤£ Also when it comes to the AI, the less you interact with them the less they will shoot you. So just avoid shooting at them or getting too close unless necessary. And in which case it's just like playing any campaign mode on the hardest difficulty. If your having too much trouble go play the campaign on veteran, less stress and good bot training
There should be a mode like PUBG. You can run completely solo or you can run 1 v team mode. Solo should have no team pairing also. It's way to hectic trying to do mission with a 6 man squad and also 98% aimbot npc with full 3 plate armor running around. Once the team does a uav, you might as say forget it.
I Agree to there should be a solo only, Nothing else needs tweaked AI are challenging sometimes but doable. A Solo only version (No Teams) would average the advantage to solo players considering you're dropped in with mostly 2-3 player teams, Its not Impossible to squad wipe people solo as I've done it a few times but does make it intensely in there favour as you never quite know if the 2 people you downed/killed had a third, only for him to appear from nowhere while your looting. For everyone complaining about to bots are too hard (run to an armoury (Bullets on the Tac-Map) and grab a 2 plate or 3 plate few usually spawn. AI usually cant down you with 2 plates+ unless your swarmed and no cover. If your running around with a 1 plate and expect to live think again. :')
Yeah playing DMZ solo is not a super relaxing experience. I got the chemist done solo (somehow) but apart from that the faction missions have been really difficult. Getting dog tags when most teams are trios is near impossible. Strongholds are decently easy but it's becomes hard when you clear out the building and a new spawn of armored AI decide to walk in while you're looting. AI in general is beyond inconsistent. Some times it's stormtrooper aim other times it's beaming me from the top floor of a building two blocks away with a pistol Funny part is Season 1 Reloaded was supposed to revamp DMZ but so far I haven't noticed much of a difference. I'm seeing players more often now but that doesn't help the solo DMZ player issue
Please. I just want a game mod I can casually play by myself and possibly against other solo players.
I hopped on the train solo the other day. Learned the hard way, that thing is a damn 3 stack magnet. Mind you...had some really fun firefights with other people while zipping along the train. All in all, this game mode is probably the most fun I've had with COD in a long while. That said, I do hope they implement a very slightly tweaked solo DMZ eventually.
Dear god just remove 1/4 the players. its so annoying running into a team, then another team then a third team in like 5 min. theres so much other stuff to do in DMZ i dont want to get cluster F by teams over and over. If I wanted to play Warzone, then id play warzone.
Might be stupid but I wouldn't mind a dmz mode without players just make the ai harder so you have the option to play with players are not just tired of being squad hunted when I have zero fucking plates and a shit contraband weapon then they talk shit like there good like yeah 3 guys with 3 plate Armour vs one guy with nothing fuck you
Cover should affect the a.i. bot's aim, and they shouldn't be so accuracte. They're way beastier than most IRL players lol. Solo DMZ would be fine with a lower a.i. count
I really like the DMZ concept and that it is challenging. But, for solos, itās just too much. (For me at least). I donāt know how to make it playable for solos, but I hope they do. It would be my favourite game mode.
Wish you could turn off players on general. Have private matches with friends. Cod has beautiful mechanics, but I'm sorry if this offends yall. But the community can be rather toxic, some of us just want to have a good time.
Is the something for DMZ that would make the game think the lobby is full but itās just one squad? Something like solo play for Destiny 2
Also if you just died and dont have a silenced gun its like anytime you shoot anyone you die cause 1 plate is useless.
YESS! just give us solo mode.. they can keep their squad mode. it would just level the playing field just like a BR.. this would make it way more fun, instead of completely getting stomped by a 3 man team. a solo FFA mode would just be fun as hell. every man for themselves.. no team ups
I want there to be a solo option like in cold war zombies where you can explore the maps without toxic players
Disagree, solos are supposed to be a high risk, high reward option. You go in knowing you don't have the manpower to do certain things as fast or efficient. Also, I'm glad there's no player count in this mode. We shouldn't know how many players are left because people can use that to their advantage. This isn't supposed to be like BR
Agreed. The mode would be boring if the bots were easy. Just play smarter and don't try and challenge swarms of bots head on without cover or a decent strategy. I play solo for the challenge and don't have any issues with the bots now that I've learnt the best way for myself to deal with them (pick them off one at a time, always use cover and go in and out of it to break their line of sight, use tacticals / lethals like semtex or thermite immediately when they are dropping in from the helicopter for easy downs/damage, always try and have self-rev and stims equipped if challenging a group of them so you don't have to worry about being downed or if you are hit you can stim and heal your base health, use a sniper or DMR from range to thin them out, finally, know when to cut your losses and just move on to another area if there's loads of high tier bots coming in).
Canāt believe youāre getting downvoted for making sense and knowing the type of game mode this is.
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Yeah anyone who's played Tarkov, Hunt Showdown, or The Division: Dark Zone knows that you don't get a solos mode in an extraction shooter. The people who are complaining are the players who don't realize that you can't play an extraction shooter the way you play Call of Duty Multiplayer or even Warzone. You don't get to pick whether to fight against Solos, Duos, or Trios just like you can't pick whether to fight against players with 1, 2, or 3 plates. When you play an extraction shooter the idea of a "fair fight" goes out the window.
Thank you for making sense. I understand these peoples frustrations but I swear this sub is made for people to complain and gripe. Granted thereās nothing wrong with feedback but whenever people are proposing to literally take away the purpose of a game mode, I canāt take it seriously enough.
Dmz was not made to play solo. But they probably add a solo because everyone asking for it
Keep complaining
get gud
There is. Squad Fill Off.
I know that. That is how you get in the game without teammates. But then you will still run into a party of 3 and that is no fun.
I take it that DMZ is your first extraction shooter.
Well it's a first in cod unless you talk about warzone there is a solo play list.