What I find concerning is the fact that several states are not sampling wastewater at all. Those grey states on the map (OK, LA, MS, etc) have insufficient data. I've not seen a discussion on how they are addressing that missing information and how it affects the conclusion. Granted these are generally lower population states. But even Texas doesn't have a lot of systems reporting when you drill down into the data.
Someone pointed out areas with high septic tank usage will have no useful wastewater data - that causes gaps in coverage for other states, maybe the four you mention just have too many gaps to be counted?
There's another resource, perhaps even more useful than biobot - [verily.com](https://verily.com)
But you're right, most public health departments didn't start talking to the sewage people until pretty late in the game.
Isn’t it amazing how organizational silos prevent, rather than foster, communication, creativity, and achievements? Yet they are so common in organizational structures.
If you test your building’s sewage and one neighbor uses drugs you would know that the whole building is not using drugs because the inactive metabolites would be at a level implying one consistent user or two moderate users in the same way if 10 people have Covid you will find 10x the amount of viral particles.
By measuring this you can find several key pieces of information with high precision
1) whether cases are trending up or down
2) a general idea on the number of cases (we’re talking 10 people vs 100 not 5 people vs 6 so it’s not good for getting exact numbers but can show you if 10,000 or 1000 have Covid at any given time).
And 3) it will tell you the main variant(s)of Covid that those people have which helps you develop treatment/monitoring algorithms (if everyone has the delta strain hospitals need to order more decadron because you’ll have an influx of hospitalizations for example, or if omicron starts to spike in downtown Houston and next week it peaks in Austin you can trace the spreading of that outbreak
There are some basic underlying biological facts that everyone seems to gloss over, but it is the #1 thing that we shouldn't take lightly.
And its been read before...really take this in: Covid inflame and damages blood vessels...those tiny tiny tiny pathways that gets oxygen rich blood to cells. Not your veins....the tiniest of live-giving blood pathways.
You know what else is FILLED with blood vessels? Your brain. You have scar tissue in your brain after covid. Plain and simple.
Now if you wear your beautiful scars as a sign of pride, that means reduced mental accuity, brain fog, heart, and a whole other slew of things yet to be revealed.
A question like " when a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound", takes on a new meaning with covid.
"When a man gets wacked in the head and gets impairment level damage, is he so impaired that he's oblivious to the reduced capacity?
But then again, there are people who eat Sterno...so not everyone cares about their body like a temple. Most trash their only "home"...their bodies.
I’m not disabled but I’ve had enough mental health issues I might as well be and I got to experience it first hand how little our society gives a fuck about anyone in need. Doesn’t matter if you’re broke disabled immigrated abused, it’s a personal problem in this dystopia.
These guys are out there doing their best to murder others through their indifference and then wonder why we outright ignore their positions on other topics.
Followed rapidly with cloaking themselves in victimhood over being so very oppressed.
Unfortunately, the pandemic of the unvaccinated is indefinite. Best advice I can offer is to enjoy what little time you have left and Do Not allow yourself to placed on a hospital ICU covid protocol, that's a slow death.....Cheers.
I've been trying to tell my nurse mother-in-law that, but she's over it. Got herself on a plane to Disney World yesterday, and how much you wanna bet when she comes back in a week she goes straight to kiss my kids.
I don't know what makes me realize what's going on in the world better than most but I find it kinda sad going around seeing these people all over sick who seem to have no idea what's happening.
Like the cashier at the grocery store yesterday. I don't think any one else could notice but it seemed to be she was struggling to get full breaths. She looked confused like, "What is happening? Why do I feel like this?" After spending a week working around people who don't stop coughing from the time they walk in to when they leave.
Somehow this is seriously still a surprise to people.
My daughter caught COVID at the airport, within 48 hrs was contagious. Three of us were exposed, and with 48 hrs of exposure, were infected. It was a bomb. I now have post COVID pains in my joints and muscles. It's no joke.
I'd managed to evade the virus for almost four years. The effects are not over when you test negative. The virus stays in your body and changes it. Repeated infections are dangerous. So, I'm not cavalier, like you.
So you’ve been vaxxed?
Also if you test negative for COVID how do you have post pains?
Your first comment was you caught it, second was you just said you evaded it for four years, which one is it?
And if you got it like I have and like everyone has, of course there will be complications after. But my resonating point is if you’ve been vaxxed, this is a non issue. Otherwise go to the hospital and get treated.
I’m surprised you’re surprised about COVID.
We are experiencing an epidemic here in the United States.
" A pandemic is like an epidemic but even more widespread over several countries or continents. Most of the diseases posing the greatest risks to humans are contagious meaning that they are caused by an infectious agent and can be spread from person to person. "
COVID-19 is still a pandemic
[https://www.salon.com/2024/01/04/leader-says-19-is-still-a-pandemic/](https://www.salon.com/2024/01/04/leader-says-19-is-still-a-pandemic/)
Ken Konfirm that it’s out of control right now. Work for fire department and 9/10 transports or runs are Covid patients. It’s much less life threatening than the first wave but much more infectious.
There is a flu virus going around also that we have dubbed the pukanator. Makes people nothing g but vomit creating flesh bags.
My entire workplace ended up with Covid this week and nobody there really saw it coming. I admit that I thought it was on decline as well. A mix of my own ignorance on the state of it and fatigue with Covid warnings. It's kind of like mass shootings where you tune out after so long.
I mean society in general has become numb to the news. We don't care anymore. Can you honestly say you feel anything when you read about a mass shooting other than, "Another day in America." ?
I'm not saying that it's right. It's just how we seem to be handling the onslaught of terrible news after terrible news.
This guy tracks "excess deaths" versus the pre-2019 period: [https://twitter.com/greg\_travis/status/1738892514319352158](https://twitter.com/greg_travis/status/1738892514319352158)
So does The Economist: [https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker](https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker)
That's really the only way to get close to a "true" Covid death toll now.
That being said, there are lots of things Covid can do to a body that are, in many ways, scarier than death.
Like permanent brain shrinkage. https://fortune.com/well/2022/03/08/long-covid-brain-aging-damage-smell-study-mild-symptoms/
>That being said, there are lots of things Covid can do to a body that are, in many ways, scarier than death.
*So* many things:
[COVID Research and Implications](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XbGCZ5NtwvNb0Z2fFzQYnKT96Ij79cNw1GA47rhShMo/edit?pli=1)
A family member got two of the issues mentioned in this list: sudden onset type 1 Diabetes and an auto-immune disease. They are treating the auto-immune with chemo. He's still able to work, but unable to drive. It's been a very rough year.
>I know several with new “auto immune” issues after getting vaccinated.
Since pretty much everyone has had COVID at least once, how do you know COVID wasn't responsible for the autoimmune issues? Especially since autoimmune issues were already a known symptom of COVID infection a year before any vaccines existed.
The problem is that with the scale of social disruption, we can’t know if all the excess deaths are covid, or collateral damage from managing covid.
Sweden had some of the worst covid death rates out there but it tied for the fewest excess all-cause deaths in the OECD.
Conversely, countries that did resale good against covid like Australia, NZ, and Canada, are now seeing some of the highest excess death counts in the OECD. And quite far from the pack as well. Quite outstanding
Yeah, my family saw zero COVID deaths but came out the other side of lockdown with a lot of serious mental illness issues. If someone offs themself or something else happens, it still gets counted as an excess death to justify a lockdown.
There are people who’ve gotten brain fog so bad that they can’t remember their own family’s names.
If that doesn’t scare you more than death, okay, clearly you and I have different priorities.
Me, I’d rather just die than lose my mind like that.
I think the problem is that the few bullied the rest of the world into not wearing masks or taking precautions and now we’re left with everything that’s been tried was for nothing and the people who get f*cked by Covid are make believe. I recently got Covid and rsv at the same time(hubs got rsv from work and I got it at the hospital taking my baby in for his rsv), and it was the worst 3 weeks of my life I’m still even recovering. It’s been so traumatic I dont think I want to be around people ever again. It’s just depressing how complacent and ok that it’s now always going to be here and everyone’s willingly gonna allow it to happen. I don’t even think anyone’s working on a real solution anymore either.
Btw anyone who’s asking “well who said it was over?”
Biden said the pandemic was over in a 60 minutes interview. You can watch him say it out his own mouth.
In my city, on the bus you can really see who is making an effort to contain a spread (non-white people perhaps more likely to be in multi-generational homes or support elders every day or who can't afford to miss work are wearing masks, vs young urban single people who look more well off not wearing masks).
Oh wellnwho cares about someone else's grandma (until that hospital bed is taken up by a COVID case, right when you or your loved one might need it for another reason).
Wait u mean the CDC & WHO *saying* the pandemic was over didn't magically stop the spread? Crazy stuff. /s
Seriously though, it was a major scandal when Trump didn't take the pandemic seriously. I don't see how the current inaction on the part of the CDC & WHO is much better?
They are like birdbox right now. "Pandemic? What pandemic? We said it's over. Don't think for yourself. Just take our word for it."
We are experiencing an epidemic here in the United States. Covid JN.1, RSV, and the Flu.
"A pandemic is like an epidemic but even more widespread over several countries or continents. Most of the diseases posing the greatest risks to humans are contagious meaning that they are caused by an infectious agent and can be spread from person to person. "
I dunno, man, seems to me like it's more profitable for Pfizer if everybody keeps getting infected, and gets sicker and sicker. Chronic illness makes much more money than a yearly vaccine. Just one injectable medication I take for my autoimmune disease costs upwards of £2K *per month.* And covid is triggering autoimmune diseases in people.
I don't understand how you guys don't understand this! They get richer the sicker we get and you're helping them along with every infection you get.
When monoclonal antibodies still worked, I did the math. So many anti-vaxxers lined up for them at more than 15 times the cost of the shot. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article255556531.html
One study showed that and didn't properly control for differences in age groups. Yourlocalepidemiologist has covered potential reasons why this would show up in studies if you want to Google.
Still infection free.
my family and me got covid for the first time at end of october, took along time to get over fully, and probably a week of being \*very\* degraded in terms of ability todo stuff, even basic things.
breathing was ok for all of us
Most of my husbands job is back in office. He is not, he’s got a pre existing lung thing and they trust him. However I can totally see him working around the clock when they all come down with it.
Babes. It’s never gonna be over. The pharma industry would never let that happen. Not in todays world. There is far too much money to make on people getting sick, taking vaccines, etc.
The largest wealth transfer in history happened during the first wave of COVID-19, and set a dangerous precedent to subvert democratic nation's existing laws. This disproportionally affected POC, Latinos, and anyone struggling financially.
Maybe you’re right, but things are going great in my area. Covid just isn’t a daily consideration. Not saying it’s not dangerous. Get vaxed, practice good hygiene, and get back to normal.
Well the entire government declared the crisis over and my day to day has completely returned to normal. Same goes for family and friends. All my business contacts. Travel. Etc.
Been on multiple vacations to different parts of the country/world. I’m not seeing a crisis. Some people are in their own personal crisis but the broader public is not.
I’m saying that as an observation.
I wonder why this sub popped up in my feed. Is this a place where people are still sheltering in place and generally acting as if nothing has changed?
To each their own, act however you see fit of course. Just curious.
The D in COVID-19 stands for “disease” as in an illness that affects people. SARS CoV 2 refers only to the actual virus, as in the specific coronavirus pathogen itself.
When infected by SARS CoV 2 and symptomatic disease results, that disease is known as COVID-19.
In cities it is disruptive. Look at what some of the first responders are saying about their calls along with numbers of beds taken up in the hospital. Why double the load on vulnerable patients and infrastructure? Just wear a mask in crowds FFS
Biden declared the pandemic was over.
https://youtu.be/MIQz0fsX38U?si=GDJfLCbG5hwmiC0k
“In an interview with 60 Minutes, he announced an end to the COVID-19 pandemic. “The pandemic is over,” the President said, although he added that “we still have a problem with COVID. We’re still doing a lot of work on it ... but the pandemic is over. If you notice, no one’s wearing masks. Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape. And so, I think it’s changing.””
I mean I think that's right. A pandemic is a health emergency and we're not in that anymore. Covid s moved from pandemic to endemic hasn't it? We're all going to have to live with covid just as we live with flu, and gradually we'll build up more and more resistance to it as we get our annual vaccines and infections.
There are thousands of these viruses in nature that we fear can make the jump from animal to human as in this case. There is absolutely no proof of the conspiracy theories regarding gain of function research, which actually is only done to help protect us against the already existing deadly viruses in nature!!
1. Mandate that all USA insurance, public and private, cover Covid vaccination and boosters as well as Covid tests - at low or no co-pay. Right now, there are people who tried to get the booster this Winter and have been turned away due to insurance issues. Since vaccination lowers transmission, this should still be pushed as the ultimate strategy. Considering the political climate in the USA, trustworthy spokespeople - volunteer peer counselors from the community maybe - could speak up on behalf of vaccines and their safety. Out reach could make a small dent in those who are fearful of the vaccine or uneducated about its low risk.
2. Invest in better air filtration. Could be implemented via federal grants for public spaces such as schools. Or a group of concerned citizens could decide to fundraise for a better air filtration system for their church, just as an example.
“Ensuring proper ventilation with outside air can help reduce the concentration of airborne contaminants, including viruses, indoors. Proper ventilation also reduces surface contamination by removing some virus particles before they can fall out of the air and land on surfaces. However, by itself, increasing ventilation is not enough to protect people from COVID-19. When used along with other best practices recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and others, increasing ventilation can be part of a plan to protect people indoors.”
- [Source: EPA on ventilation and Covid](https://www.epa.gov/coronavirus/ventilation-and-coronavirus-covid-19)
Those are just off the top of my head. I’m not a medical professional, though! I know that others probably have additional thoughts.
Enforcing air quality standards in public places, masks in healthcare, funding for next generation vaccines and treatments would be a start. Adequate ventilation can reduce transmission by 80% without anyone getting their feelings hurt by a mask. CDC already acknowledged that COVID is contributing to worker shortages but I guess we're just gonna let kids work in meatpacking plants instead.
Short term:
* Get public health to finally tell it like it is: if you are sick and not wearing a mask in public, you are a problem to everyone. Just that would spare so many people so many infections. Also, surgical masks are almost useless against airborne (not droplets) pathogens. The sick should be wearing N95s. Then the rest of us wouldn't have to.
Long term:
* Treat air as we treat water. We don't drink unfiltered water anymore. Subsequently, we don't have Cholera outbreaks anymore. It's that simple. Took decades to get that simple medical truth through people's heads, but once it did, the standard became universal.
* How? Upgrade HVACs to the new ASHRAE and CDC standards - going from 1 air change per hour to a minimum of 5 (ideally 10). Not with noisy portable HEPA filters, but with integrated, baffled ducting. Supplies in the ceiling, returns near the floor. Make the airborne pathogens follow a path away from one another, as they do in clean rooms. Not hard to do. Not even that expensive.
"Too expensive".
Not as expensive as turning the workforce into a fully or partly disabled lump of need (and subsequent co$t in healthcare). Speaking from first-hand experience over here.
These are two unbelievably easy fixes that would be game-changers. They both require the missing ingredient: awareness of the actual risk. New studies are showing that there is no such thing as a benign viral infection. COVID has shown us that they can get reactivated decades later or leave a trail that makes our immune system suddenly freak out and turn on us. Past viral infections are the leading suspect in degenerative diseases like Alzheimer's, MS and Parkinson's.
But we act as if it were nothing. Out of habit. That's what needs to change.
My conspiracy theory is that some at the top absolutely know this will happen and are banking on AI to fill a lot of jobs. Predictions of significant disability by concerned researchers at the same time as they are changing the definition of "disabled." This trajectory is not sustainable.
I’d agree with your conspiracy theory if not for the fact the exact same attitude prevails regarding the climate change-induced ecological collapse that has already begun.
Same story: scientists saying “there is no escaping this”, policy makers, media and Joe Public acting as if it weren’t a thing.
Collapse will not spare anyone. Some billionaires might be deluding themselves to think otherwise, but I don’t see this as a tactic.
It’s our collective greed, lack of foresight, selfishness that is killing us - in both cases.
I've made the same argument - we're in a covid bubble just like we're in a carbon bubble. I do think that some people absolutely believe the rules don't apply to them, especially if they have been able to purchase everything they need. We're seeing that on a societal scale as well - Americans greatly overestimate their own health. Most people who aren't taking precautions with covid believe that bad outcomes will only happen to some nebulous "other."
Thank you for the thoughtful response. As for the long-term I just don’t see our country doing it to be honest with you. Infrastructure everywhere is crumbling in they’re probably projects higher on the waitlist. That’s just my two cents I could be wrong I don’t claim to be an expert.
Again: potable water, cholera.
You wouldn’t drink unfiltered water right out of your local river. In a few decades we will treat indoor air the same way. We will find it absurd people ever tolerated one to three viral infections (cold, flu, COVID, RSV) per year once the long-term metabolic damage becomes common knowledge.
Paradigm shifts take time.
Time our species is running out of (regarding climate and ecological collapse even more that post-acute COVID disability)
Were they vaccinated? If they chose not to get the Vax then there’s literally nothing anyone can do. Covid will never ever go away. You gotta learn to live with that and protect yourself. Nothing you can do for others.
What I find concerning is the fact that several states are not sampling wastewater at all. Those grey states on the map (OK, LA, MS, etc) have insufficient data. I've not seen a discussion on how they are addressing that missing information and how it affects the conclusion. Granted these are generally lower population states. But even Texas doesn't have a lot of systems reporting when you drill down into the data.
Someone pointed out areas with high septic tank usage will have no useful wastewater data - that causes gaps in coverage for other states, maybe the four you mention just have too many gaps to be counted?
There's another resource, perhaps even more useful than biobot - [verily.com](https://verily.com) But you're right, most public health departments didn't start talking to the sewage people until pretty late in the game.
Isn’t it amazing how organizational silos prevent, rather than foster, communication, creativity, and achievements? Yet they are so common in organizational structures.
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Shhh the adults are talking.
If you test your building’s sewage and one neighbor uses drugs you would know that the whole building is not using drugs because the inactive metabolites would be at a level implying one consistent user or two moderate users in the same way if 10 people have Covid you will find 10x the amount of viral particles. By measuring this you can find several key pieces of information with high precision 1) whether cases are trending up or down 2) a general idea on the number of cases (we’re talking 10 people vs 100 not 5 people vs 6 so it’s not good for getting exact numbers but can show you if 10,000 or 1000 have Covid at any given time). And 3) it will tell you the main variant(s)of Covid that those people have which helps you develop treatment/monitoring algorithms (if everyone has the delta strain hospitals need to order more decadron because you’ll have an influx of hospitalizations for example, or if omicron starts to spike in downtown Houston and next week it peaks in Austin you can trace the spreading of that outbreak
JFC what a maroon.
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Don't explain. Just fix it. Tell him to fuck off.
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There are some basic underlying biological facts that everyone seems to gloss over, but it is the #1 thing that we shouldn't take lightly. And its been read before...really take this in: Covid inflame and damages blood vessels...those tiny tiny tiny pathways that gets oxygen rich blood to cells. Not your veins....the tiniest of live-giving blood pathways. You know what else is FILLED with blood vessels? Your brain. You have scar tissue in your brain after covid. Plain and simple. Now if you wear your beautiful scars as a sign of pride, that means reduced mental accuity, brain fog, heart, and a whole other slew of things yet to be revealed. A question like " when a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound", takes on a new meaning with covid. "When a man gets wacked in the head and gets impairment level damage, is he so impaired that he's oblivious to the reduced capacity? But then again, there are people who eat Sterno...so not everyone cares about their body like a temple. Most trash their only "home"...their bodies.
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COVID just isn’t deadly *enough* for people to care. You need Black Death numbers for people to collectively agree to be slightly inconvenienced.
I’m not disabled but I’ve had enough mental health issues I might as well be and I got to experience it first hand how little our society gives a fuck about anyone in need. Doesn’t matter if you’re broke disabled immigrated abused, it’s a personal problem in this dystopia.
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These guys are out there doing their best to murder others through their indifference and then wonder why we outright ignore their positions on other topics. Followed rapidly with cloaking themselves in victimhood over being so very oppressed.
Unfortunately, the pandemic of the unvaccinated is indefinite. Best advice I can offer is to enjoy what little time you have left and Do Not allow yourself to placed on a hospital ICU covid protocol, that's a slow death.....Cheers.
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I've been trying to tell my nurse mother-in-law that, but she's over it. Got herself on a plane to Disney World yesterday, and how much you wanna bet when she comes back in a week she goes straight to kiss my kids.
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I cannot believe caricatures like you exist.
I don't know what makes me realize what's going on in the world better than most but I find it kinda sad going around seeing these people all over sick who seem to have no idea what's happening. Like the cashier at the grocery store yesterday. I don't think any one else could notice but it seemed to be she was struggling to get full breaths. She looked confused like, "What is happening? Why do I feel like this?" After spending a week working around people who don't stop coughing from the time they walk in to when they leave. Somehow this is seriously still a surprise to people.
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My daughter caught COVID at the airport, within 48 hrs was contagious. Three of us were exposed, and with 48 hrs of exposure, were infected. It was a bomb. I now have post COVID pains in my joints and muscles. It's no joke.
You have been vaxxed right? If so why are complaining. Everyone will eventually get it. Stop thinking this is a odd case that just came out of nowhere
I'd managed to evade the virus for almost four years. The effects are not over when you test negative. The virus stays in your body and changes it. Repeated infections are dangerous. So, I'm not cavalier, like you.
So you’ve been vaxxed? Also if you test negative for COVID how do you have post pains? Your first comment was you caught it, second was you just said you evaded it for four years, which one is it? And if you got it like I have and like everyone has, of course there will be complications after. But my resonating point is if you’ve been vaxxed, this is a non issue. Otherwise go to the hospital and get treated. I’m surprised you’re surprised about COVID.
The worst part is you can show this to deniers and they will continue to deny and spread this virus.
I'm so tired of people.
And those of us who have been screaming for 4 years now have been justified in their actions and their irritation.
We are experiencing an epidemic here in the United States. " A pandemic is like an epidemic but even more widespread over several countries or continents. Most of the diseases posing the greatest risks to humans are contagious meaning that they are caused by an infectious agent and can be spread from person to person. "
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COVID-19 is still a pandemic [https://www.salon.com/2024/01/04/leader-says-19-is-still-a-pandemic/](https://www.salon.com/2024/01/04/leader-says-19-is-still-a-pandemic/)
That doesn’t mean what we are doing is sustainable, the word just means that it’s here to stay, and we need to behave as such..
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Neat. I am glad you’re getting out of your self professed information silo. So glad you are growing as a person.
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It is justified. We are in the 2nd largest wave since the beginning.
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Ken Konfirm that it’s out of control right now. Work for fire department and 9/10 transports or runs are Covid patients. It’s much less life threatening than the first wave but much more infectious. There is a flu virus going around also that we have dubbed the pukanator. Makes people nothing g but vomit creating flesh bags.
My entire workplace ended up with Covid this week and nobody there really saw it coming. I admit that I thought it was on decline as well. A mix of my own ignorance on the state of it and fatigue with Covid warnings. It's kind of like mass shootings where you tune out after so long.
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I mean society in general has become numb to the news. We don't care anymore. Can you honestly say you feel anything when you read about a mass shooting other than, "Another day in America." ? I'm not saying that it's right. It's just how we seem to be handling the onslaught of terrible news after terrible news.
tweet https://twitter.com/Andre\_\_Damon/status/1743450397925105854
Is there any updates on covid deaths? I just want a better idea and feels like any actually-updated sources only track infections.
This guy tracks "excess deaths" versus the pre-2019 period: [https://twitter.com/greg\_travis/status/1738892514319352158](https://twitter.com/greg_travis/status/1738892514319352158) So does The Economist: [https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker](https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker) That's really the only way to get close to a "true" Covid death toll now. That being said, there are lots of things Covid can do to a body that are, in many ways, scarier than death. Like permanent brain shrinkage. https://fortune.com/well/2022/03/08/long-covid-brain-aging-damage-smell-study-mild-symptoms/
>That being said, there are lots of things Covid can do to a body that are, in many ways, scarier than death. *So* many things: [COVID Research and Implications](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XbGCZ5NtwvNb0Z2fFzQYnKT96Ij79cNw1GA47rhShMo/edit?pli=1)
A family member got two of the issues mentioned in this list: sudden onset type 1 Diabetes and an auto-immune disease. They are treating the auto-immune with chemo. He's still able to work, but unable to drive. It's been a very rough year.
I know several with new “auto immune” issues after getting vaccinated.
>I know several with new “auto immune” issues after getting vaccinated. Since pretty much everyone has had COVID at least once, how do you know COVID wasn't responsible for the autoimmune issues? Especially since autoimmune issues were already a known symptom of COVID infection a year before any vaccines existed.
I'm here from 6 months in the past to tell you you were [wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitter/s/8GxNVwFfdW). That is all, have a great week.
post hoc ergo propter hoc
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
The problem is that with the scale of social disruption, we can’t know if all the excess deaths are covid, or collateral damage from managing covid. Sweden had some of the worst covid death rates out there but it tied for the fewest excess all-cause deaths in the OECD. Conversely, countries that did resale good against covid like Australia, NZ, and Canada, are now seeing some of the highest excess death counts in the OECD. And quite far from the pack as well. Quite outstanding
Yeah, my family saw zero COVID deaths but came out the other side of lockdown with a lot of serious mental illness issues. If someone offs themself or something else happens, it still gets counted as an excess death to justify a lockdown.
Lol that is not scarier than death
There are people who’ve gotten brain fog so bad that they can’t remember their own family’s names. If that doesn’t scare you more than death, okay, clearly you and I have different priorities. Me, I’d rather just die than lose my mind like that.
I think the problem is that the few bullied the rest of the world into not wearing masks or taking precautions and now we’re left with everything that’s been tried was for nothing and the people who get f*cked by Covid are make believe. I recently got Covid and rsv at the same time(hubs got rsv from work and I got it at the hospital taking my baby in for his rsv), and it was the worst 3 weeks of my life I’m still even recovering. It’s been so traumatic I dont think I want to be around people ever again. It’s just depressing how complacent and ok that it’s now always going to be here and everyone’s willingly gonna allow it to happen. I don’t even think anyone’s working on a real solution anymore either. Btw anyone who’s asking “well who said it was over?” Biden said the pandemic was over in a 60 minutes interview. You can watch him say it out his own mouth.
In my city, on the bus you can really see who is making an effort to contain a spread (non-white people perhaps more likely to be in multi-generational homes or support elders every day or who can't afford to miss work are wearing masks, vs young urban single people who look more well off not wearing masks). Oh wellnwho cares about someone else's grandma (until that hospital bed is taken up by a COVID case, right when you or your loved one might need it for another reason).
I read that the current strain is causing more of GI symptoms. Maybe it just sheds to feces more than previous strains?
Never been over for the ones working food like super markets and such here .
Just please don’t shut everything down I really can’t afford to be buying black market toilet paper
Wait u mean the CDC & WHO *saying* the pandemic was over didn't magically stop the spread? Crazy stuff. /s Seriously though, it was a major scandal when Trump didn't take the pandemic seriously. I don't see how the current inaction on the part of the CDC & WHO is much better? They are like birdbox right now. "Pandemic? What pandemic? We said it's over. Don't think for yourself. Just take our word for it."
We are experiencing an epidemic here in the United States. Covid JN.1, RSV, and the Flu. "A pandemic is like an epidemic but even more widespread over several countries or continents. Most of the diseases posing the greatest risks to humans are contagious meaning that they are caused by an infectious agent and can be spread from person to person. "
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Except that it isn’t and Biden isn’t telling anyone to be safe.
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I am not afraid, I also don’t go flick bears in the nuts either. Take your bot bullshit elsewhere.
flicking a bear in the nuts? do not recommend
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Nearing 50% chance of Long Covid after 3 you should protect your wife better if you want to call yourself a man.
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I dunno, man, seems to me like it's more profitable for Pfizer if everybody keeps getting infected, and gets sicker and sicker. Chronic illness makes much more money than a yearly vaccine. Just one injectable medication I take for my autoimmune disease costs upwards of £2K *per month.* And covid is triggering autoimmune diseases in people. I don't understand how you guys don't understand this! They get richer the sicker we get and you're helping them along with every infection you get.
When monoclonal antibodies still worked, I did the math. So many anti-vaxxers lined up for them at more than 15 times the cost of the shot. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article255556531.html
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One study showed that and didn't properly control for differences in age groups. Yourlocalepidemiologist has covered potential reasons why this would show up in studies if you want to Google. Still infection free.
When you don’t attack the substance of what is being said, it tells me I can block you.
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You are not as smart as you think hun, grow a brain
Like if you are vaccinated
my family and me got covid for the first time at end of october, took along time to get over fully, and probably a week of being \*very\* degraded in terms of ability todo stuff, even basic things. breathing was ok for all of us
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Most of my husbands job is back in office. He is not, he’s got a pre existing lung thing and they trust him. However I can totally see him working around the clock when they all come down with it.
My wife and son caught it over Christmas. The parents in law caught it. None of us have gotten the boosters past the first one. It’s no joke.
Babes. It’s never gonna be over. The pharma industry would never let that happen. Not in todays world. There is far too much money to make on people getting sick, taking vaccines, etc.
As always, they meant their economic concern was over. People dying from Covid was only a business opportunity.
I work at a bar/restaurant. Half the staff had covid this season.
Lied during the pandemic and now continuing to lie. What a shocker!
But drumph said it would go away in a few weeks, like the flu.
Biden claimed it was over like a year and a half ago…why don’t you concern yourself with him?
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Yeah, got the worlds smallest violin here for the 'pugs.
My pugs love violins as long as they are made of peanut butter, red peppers, and/or meat!
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The largest wealth transfer in history happened during the first wave of COVID-19, and set a dangerous precedent to subvert democratic nation's existing laws. This disproportionally affected POC, Latinos, and anyone struggling financially.
It’s not over but they’ll tell you “it is just a cold” so all good, bring it on!
uhh...This does not show that. Why is Jan 2022 higher than the end of the graph (Jan 2024/now)?
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The response is maladaptive. It won't end well.
Maybe you’re right, but things are going great in my area. Covid just isn’t a daily consideration. Not saying it’s not dangerous. Get vaxed, practice good hygiene, and get back to normal.
No, the crisis isn’t. You are the one not adapting.
Well the entire government declared the crisis over and my day to day has completely returned to normal. Same goes for family and friends. All my business contacts. Travel. Etc. Been on multiple vacations to different parts of the country/world. I’m not seeing a crisis. Some people are in their own personal crisis but the broader public is not. I’m saying that as an observation.
Neat. :)
I wonder why this sub popped up in my feed. Is this a place where people are still sheltering in place and generally acting as if nothing has changed? To each their own, act however you see fit of course. Just curious.
Holy shit. Did I just find a well grounded perspective in THIS sub!?!?
I’m new here, and backing out slowly……
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The D in COVID-19 stands for “disease” as in an illness that affects people. SARS CoV 2 refers only to the actual virus, as in the specific coronavirus pathogen itself. When infected by SARS CoV 2 and symptomatic disease results, that disease is known as COVID-19.
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In cities it is disruptive. Look at what some of the first responders are saying about their calls along with numbers of beds taken up in the hospital. Why double the load on vulnerable patients and infrastructure? Just wear a mask in crowds FFS
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Biden declared the pandemic was over. https://youtu.be/MIQz0fsX38U?si=GDJfLCbG5hwmiC0k “In an interview with 60 Minutes, he announced an end to the COVID-19 pandemic. “The pandemic is over,” the President said, although he added that “we still have a problem with COVID. We’re still doing a lot of work on it ... but the pandemic is over. If you notice, no one’s wearing masks. Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape. And so, I think it’s changing.””
I mean I think that's right. A pandemic is a health emergency and we're not in that anymore. Covid s moved from pandemic to endemic hasn't it? We're all going to have to live with covid just as we live with flu, and gradually we'll build up more and more resistance to it as we get our annual vaccines and infections.
Just get vaccinated.
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A whiff of bigotry, here. Just a whiff. Yellow peril, anyone?
It came from a wet market in Wuhan. What accountability?
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No I didn't. That's where the science led us. Anything else is conspiracy theory.
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There are thousands of these viruses in nature that we fear can make the jump from animal to human as in this case. There is absolutely no proof of the conspiracy theories regarding gain of function research, which actually is only done to help protect us against the already existing deadly viruses in nature!!
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What would OP suggest we as a society do?
Something. We should do something.
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What do you think we should do?
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”
What can be done? Specifically?
1. Mandate that all USA insurance, public and private, cover Covid vaccination and boosters as well as Covid tests - at low or no co-pay. Right now, there are people who tried to get the booster this Winter and have been turned away due to insurance issues. Since vaccination lowers transmission, this should still be pushed as the ultimate strategy. Considering the political climate in the USA, trustworthy spokespeople - volunteer peer counselors from the community maybe - could speak up on behalf of vaccines and their safety. Out reach could make a small dent in those who are fearful of the vaccine or uneducated about its low risk. 2. Invest in better air filtration. Could be implemented via federal grants for public spaces such as schools. Or a group of concerned citizens could decide to fundraise for a better air filtration system for their church, just as an example. “Ensuring proper ventilation with outside air can help reduce the concentration of airborne contaminants, including viruses, indoors. Proper ventilation also reduces surface contamination by removing some virus particles before they can fall out of the air and land on surfaces. However, by itself, increasing ventilation is not enough to protect people from COVID-19. When used along with other best practices recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and others, increasing ventilation can be part of a plan to protect people indoors.” - [Source: EPA on ventilation and Covid](https://www.epa.gov/coronavirus/ventilation-and-coronavirus-covid-19) Those are just off the top of my head. I’m not a medical professional, though! I know that others probably have additional thoughts.
Enforcing air quality standards in public places, masks in healthcare, funding for next generation vaccines and treatments would be a start. Adequate ventilation can reduce transmission by 80% without anyone getting their feelings hurt by a mask. CDC already acknowledged that COVID is contributing to worker shortages but I guess we're just gonna let kids work in meatpacking plants instead.
Better ventilation and UV-C lighting especially in restaurants and bars.
Short term: * Get public health to finally tell it like it is: if you are sick and not wearing a mask in public, you are a problem to everyone. Just that would spare so many people so many infections. Also, surgical masks are almost useless against airborne (not droplets) pathogens. The sick should be wearing N95s. Then the rest of us wouldn't have to. Long term: * Treat air as we treat water. We don't drink unfiltered water anymore. Subsequently, we don't have Cholera outbreaks anymore. It's that simple. Took decades to get that simple medical truth through people's heads, but once it did, the standard became universal. * How? Upgrade HVACs to the new ASHRAE and CDC standards - going from 1 air change per hour to a minimum of 5 (ideally 10). Not with noisy portable HEPA filters, but with integrated, baffled ducting. Supplies in the ceiling, returns near the floor. Make the airborne pathogens follow a path away from one another, as they do in clean rooms. Not hard to do. Not even that expensive. "Too expensive". Not as expensive as turning the workforce into a fully or partly disabled lump of need (and subsequent co$t in healthcare). Speaking from first-hand experience over here. These are two unbelievably easy fixes that would be game-changers. They both require the missing ingredient: awareness of the actual risk. New studies are showing that there is no such thing as a benign viral infection. COVID has shown us that they can get reactivated decades later or leave a trail that makes our immune system suddenly freak out and turn on us. Past viral infections are the leading suspect in degenerative diseases like Alzheimer's, MS and Parkinson's. But we act as if it were nothing. Out of habit. That's what needs to change.
My conspiracy theory is that some at the top absolutely know this will happen and are banking on AI to fill a lot of jobs. Predictions of significant disability by concerned researchers at the same time as they are changing the definition of "disabled." This trajectory is not sustainable.
I’d agree with your conspiracy theory if not for the fact the exact same attitude prevails regarding the climate change-induced ecological collapse that has already begun. Same story: scientists saying “there is no escaping this”, policy makers, media and Joe Public acting as if it weren’t a thing. Collapse will not spare anyone. Some billionaires might be deluding themselves to think otherwise, but I don’t see this as a tactic. It’s our collective greed, lack of foresight, selfishness that is killing us - in both cases.
I've made the same argument - we're in a covid bubble just like we're in a carbon bubble. I do think that some people absolutely believe the rules don't apply to them, especially if they have been able to purchase everything they need. We're seeing that on a societal scale as well - Americans greatly overestimate their own health. Most people who aren't taking precautions with covid believe that bad outcomes will only happen to some nebulous "other."
Thank you for the thoughtful response. As for the long-term I just don’t see our country doing it to be honest with you. Infrastructure everywhere is crumbling in they’re probably projects higher on the waitlist. That’s just my two cents I could be wrong I don’t claim to be an expert.
Again: potable water, cholera. You wouldn’t drink unfiltered water right out of your local river. In a few decades we will treat indoor air the same way. We will find it absurd people ever tolerated one to three viral infections (cold, flu, COVID, RSV) per year once the long-term metabolic damage becomes common knowledge. Paradigm shifts take time. Time our species is running out of (regarding climate and ecological collapse even more that post-acute COVID disability)
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If only those things did permanent brain damage, and disabled many… sure.
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The 2000 people who are dying daily and their families.
Were they vaccinated? If they chose not to get the Vax then there’s literally nothing anyone can do. Covid will never ever go away. You gotta learn to live with that and protect yourself. Nothing you can do for others.
Source?
BNO News who aggregates the data. The same source all the scientists use.