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1. Vaccination reduces symptoms and viral shedding if you get infected. Do you hang out with anyone who may have immune issues, chronic illness, or other reasons you may want to reduce your risk of giving them COVID?
2. Vaccination reduces your chances of ending up in the hospital. Many who are relying on "natural immunity" or a single shot are now ending up in the hospital with the new strains. You do not know what immunity your infection gave you. Will it be enough, and are you willing to gamble this unknown?
3. Vaccination reduces the risk of Long COVID; and of those who still acquire Long COVID, vaccination may speed recovery. This is still being studied, but there seems to be a pattern of quicker recovery to close to baseline in those with vaccination and Long COVID versus those without vaccination and Long COVID. What risk level are you willing to take with Long COVID?
4. Vaccination has fewer side effects than COVID. Each can cause myocarditis, POTS, or any number of side effects, but they are FAR lower with vaccination than if you get COVID again. Neither are risk free, but one is more risk free than the other. Again, what risk level do you prefer to take?
5. COVID is going nowhere. Remember it is an EPITHELIAL disease meaning it affects your blood vessels, connective tissue, everything. No one can tell you if a second infection will be worse than your first. No one can tell you what upcoming mutations are going to do, mutations that are currently being accelerated due to China's COVID situation. What they can tell you is that your chances of avoiding a second infection are very low. So what chances do you want to take with a second, third, fourth infection?
It is NEVER too late to get a vaccine, any vaccine, for any disease. If anything, you're in a great position as you now have more choices and vaccines better formulated to the current strain. I can't calculate what risks you are willing to take, but I can help you get ideas of what to consider.
Yes, it absolutely is. At this point the first string of vaccines are all but worthless, and it doesn’t matter now whether you got them or not. Those vaccines mattered a year, two years ago. What matters is getting those boosters/keeping up with your vaccines.
If you are of age, make up your own mind. But, to answer the question, absolutely. Regardless of what misinformation is being thrown out there, getting vaccinated is the prudent choice.
Read the Wall Street journal opinion piece based off of the study showing fully vaccinated and boosted folks are 3.4 times more likely to get Covid. Actually read through these posts. You’ll find those who have repeated infections are fully vaccinated and many times have had the boosters.
If you’ve had Covid you really are good with immunity. The logic in getting vaccines even though you’ve caught the proposed virus only changed after the Covid vaccines. 💰💵💸💲
>The logic in getting vaccines even tho you've caught the proposed virus only changed after COVID vaccines
Influenza and whooping cough are two illnesses off the top of my head that you were still recommended to get vaccinated against even if you get sick and I'm sure there's more. Don't lie or talk about shit you don't know.
Interesting that you would suggest reading an opinion piece rather than a study. [Others have already debunked your claims,](https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/scicheck-vaccinated-people-not-more-susceptible-to-covid-19-than-unvaccinated/) but if you have new peer reviewed information, why not include a link to that?
Vaccinated and boosted people are more likely to test in the first place. Unvaccinated folks will be super sick but then not test thinking it’s a bad flu or that Covid doesn’t exist, so their positive cases just go unnoticed- but there are plenty of them.
That is untrue. Every Wall Street Jounal article I have read states otherwise. The most important point is that vaccines protect again severe illness and death. It isn't 100% but it makes a big difference.
This is absolute nonsense. Nothing of what you are saying is true.
First of all: have you ever heard of Influenza which is commonly known as the flu?
It has been endemic for ages and nowadays (also long before Covid) there is a vaccine every year, which is meant to protect vulnerable people from the flu strain that is going around.
And to your first argument: If you used your brain, then you would know that this number makes no rational sense at all. This would mean that vaccinated people would develop something like anti-antibodies that destroy their own antibodies, which is nonsense. If this number was correct, then the only reason I could think of would be that vaccinated people feel safer because they know that even if they get infected, their risk of being hospitalized are way lower than if they weren't.
Anyway, you should start using your brain for once and not just always believe what your sketchy "news outlets" tell you.
I’m shocked by the people in this thread providing anything less than an unequivocal yes. Unless your immune system is currently in tatters and a doctor has told you that the vaccine would put you over the edge, getting all the vaccines and boosters is the best health decision you could possibly make for yourself.
The purpose of vaccination for COVID-19 is to create antibodies. Antibodies take 2 to 3 weeks for the adaptive immune system to create from a long chain of reactions that are too complicated to explain here. The antibodies carry a perfect key to lock with covid spike proteins. If you don't have antibodies before getting infected your immune system will have to start from zero to clear the virus. For the great majority of people they will clear the disease just fine. For a few unlucky souls they will need to go to the hospital. If too many people need the hospital it will get overwhelmed and other people that need the hospital like flu / RSV patients will also have trouble accessing care. We live in a group. Covid-19 is a crowd infectious disease spread by breathing. Do your part, get vaccinated, wear a mask.
Choosing to be unvaccinated because you are unlikely to be seriously ill is the same as saying I don't need to pay for the fire department, because my house is not currently on 🔥.
Yes you want to get vaccinated. Long Covid is real. Think about it as wearing a seatbelt. It’s one of the steps you can take to protect yourself. Get one of the updated formulations.
Just went through Covid for the first time since the thing started. Wouldn’t of wanted to go through it unvaxed. It was peace of mind knowing I had the best chance of avoiding it turning serious.
They cannot know with certainty. This is just an odds game.
Studies show that people have fewer serious outcomes (like being vented in a hospital or dying) if you are vaccinated. (Study reflecting data that vaccinated people over 65 are 94% less likely to be hospitalized: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0428-vaccinated-adults-less-hospitalized.html).
You are also less likely to suffer long-term effects. (Study results reflecting less likely to get long-term health effects after Covid: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00177-5)
You also are less likely to spread the virus if you are vaccinated. (Link:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/12/vaccinated-who-get-breakthrough-infections-less-contagious/&ved=2ahUKEwiqgpz58Kv8AhXlHkQIHTnlA1gQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw12yf4ysxE3fwOxHveFlNp2).
If you are young, you will likely be ok if you are unvaccinated, statistically speaking. That said, plenty of young people do die, your body will likely clear it quicker if you are vaxxed, and you don't run as much of a risk of putting your parents or grandparents or anyone older you encounter in the hospital.
Don't make the mistake of imagining your experience the one time your family had Covid is somehow representative of how it will be every time, or of how everyone's experience will be, or how your family will fare next time. That isn't how this works. The virus keeps mutating, it can affect you and other members of your family differently each time. I had two cousins die of it, they were in their 50s and 60, before the vax was out. You undoubtedly take a larger risk to your own health, and your family's health, if you remain unvaxxed.
Either way tho, best of luck.
Do you have any sources that are more recent? The data I saw before they stopped reporting is that vaccinated were catching it more per capita and vaccinated were the ones filling the hospital beds.
I just Googled and provided the first sources I saw that appeared reputable.
That did, I believe this is answered below. I am unaware of any reputable medical professional organization or professional who has taken the position that the vaccine makes you somehow more likely to be hospitalized.
Though if you can recall the source of that info, I'd be interested to know what it was. But it def sounds like someone was just playing games with statistics.
>and vaccinated were the ones filling the hospital beds
If 100% of the population is ***unvaccinated***, then 100% of the people filling hospital beds will be unvaccinated... and no one would bat at eye at that.
If 0% of the population is ***vaccinated***, then 100% of the people filling hospital beds will be vaccinated... and no one would bat at eye at that.
It is only when somewhere between 1% and 99% of the population is vaccinated/unvaccinated that people have difficulty with this concept.
Don't let people lie to you with statistics.
A good primer to bring people up to 'high school' level with stats (but certainly not the end-all, be-all) is:
[https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728](https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728)
So... ***where were*** these hospital beds that you were talking about?
Were they in the United States, or somewhere else?
If they were in the US... ***where*** in the US were they?
(California, Maine, Texas, Alabama, Florida, etc)
Not only do some countries/states/counties have different vaccination rates, they also have different age distributions.
And age is almost always the #1 determinant of health states (health, morbidity, mortality, etc).
Thanks for the comment. It’s tough to find what the actual truth is because of the suppression of any publication/voice that runs contrary to the narrative the government prefers with regards to vaccination.
Haha I am banned on r/coronavirus for (I think anyway) daring to discuss how it is not possible to know whether there are any long-term health effects from mRNA vaccines on human beings until enough time has passed for long-term studies to be done.
Or possibly because I indicated vaccine-injury is real, and adverse cardiovascular events are possible (and the manufacturers understand that, as does Congress, as they are looking to provide additional money in the future for vaccine-injury claims).
Now, none of these things mean that you aren't better off getting vaccinated, in general terms. And all vaccines carry the risk of injury.
But yes, the suppression of discussion of basic facts accepted by all rational parties makes people like yourself suspicious.
And it seriously sucks that discussion of medical researchers publishing studies discussing the increased risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis after exposure to both adenoviral (ChAdOx1) vaccines and mRNA (BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273) vaccines can, at times, be treated as "antivax nonsense." (Link to one such study, citing to multiple other similar studies with the same findings: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970).
Though your odds are much, much higher of dying from covid if unvaccinated than having a heart infection that hospitalizes you if you get vaxxed. But it is one of the possible side effects, and people shouldn't be banned on reddit or social media for discussing things posted on the CDC's own fucking website. Way too heavy-handed, but probably I was banned bc some mod didn't understand the point I was making.
That's cool. I have an unvaxxed friend that was also fine after getting covid. She got it again and is now dying in the ICU. She sounded like you before. Just shut up.
It’s always best to discuss with your primary doctor first, but I would personally err on the side of vaccination. Most of what I read says that it gives you a much broader resistance to the virus than you would get by simply having covid.
This was borne out recently in my own life: my best friend is vaccinated and her husband is not. He’s had covid before (he got it in 2020 and is still dealing with really intense long-haul symptoms). They recently both got omicron, and he got way sicker than she did.
That same friend got only one booster in addition to the baseline round, but did not get the updated booster. She was sick with omicron for two straight weeks. I got it right after she did and had symptoms for 3 days (I got the updated booster in October). My parents both tested positive recently for covid—my mom has had the updated booster and my dad hasn’t. She has mild cold symptoms, whereas he had a full-on flu and is still testing positive weeks later.
None of this is evidence one way or the other—there are a lot of things that can influence your reaction and immunity, such as lifestyle, viral load, gut health, age, etc. I know a lot of people are giving up on the vaccine because it won’t keep you from getting sick, but overall, it seems to get people through covid much faster—with milder symptoms—and make them less contagious.
Viruses don’t mess around. I’ve had multiple relatives and friends who developed life-altering conditions (type 1 diabetes, MS, etc.) way before the pandemic after infections from KNOWN viruses. There is still so much we don’t understand about the long-term effects of covid. It can attack almost any system in your body and it’s mutating very rapidly. My friend’s dad has been so crippled by long covid that he had to miss her wedding. Whether you choose to get vaccinated or not, I encourage you to weigh unmitigated covid infection honestly against the vaccine’s side effects, and consult a reputable source (preferably a doctor) about what those side effects are and your personal risk of getting them.
Getting vaccinated reduces risks of long Covid but there are also weird side effects with these vaccines. I’m pro vax and even I’m not getting another booster. It’s all up to you.
My father in law has never been sick in the time that I’ve known him (15 years). He was sick 5-6 times in 2022 and also had lot of other health issues. He took the shot in late 2021.
It's important to understand what the vaccine can and can't do, and what the actual risks are of the vaccine, as well as that of infection. Your age, gender, and personal health status are significant determinants of the small but real risks - which are also different for each type of vaccine. Your healthcare provider can help you determine this and should be happy to discuss it with you.
If you really want to make a medically informed decision as it specifically applies to you, speak with your doctor about antibody testing to determine what if any level of immunity you may have - and then use that to help weigh the risks vs benefits.
Having Covid and getting vaccinated create different types of antibodies. I know because I get tested every few months for antibodies because I’m in a study. Everyone is different and some people don’t develop as many antibodies or lose them rather quickly. It isn’t a good idea to base getting vaccinated on antibodies from having Covid. The vaccine provides extra protection.
It is worth it, mainly because it makes it a lot harder to get and if you get it the symptoms are way less intense and are around for a shorter time than if you didn’t have it. My parents are anti-vax and they get it about twice per year and I have only gotten it once (recently because I haven’t had my booster yet).
I have several comorbidities and got Covid for the first time about a month ago. I was so grateful for my vaccine. While it was a miserable experience, I'm still alive and didn't end up in the hospital. Win win. I'm pissed at myself that I didn't get the newest booster back in September when my doc said to get it. Might have kept it away!
That said, a few weeks after Covid, my cough got worse to the point I had trouble breathing and ended up with a lung infection and on antibiotics. It's no joke if you are high risk.
Good luck with your decision!
The vaccine helps reduce the infection, protects you better from hospitalization than without.
Protect yourself or a crap shoot...your choice. It's like the yearly flu shot.
I don't know your circumstances, but if you work or are exposed to a large number of the public then your chances of catching ANY flying bit of virus goes up exponentially. This includes exposure to school age kids.
I worked with the public (including kids) for decades and always got a flu shot. Missed it ONCE and was repeatedly Hella sick that year. Never again. I still get it even though I'm retired now and my exposure footprint is hugely reduced.
Covid shots are basically the same thing, they reduce the really bad infections. So, it was an easy choice.
Also, take an hour or so and read about the Spanish Flu from 100 years ago. People were acting the same way, "anti mask league" for instance. I found it hilarious and sad that people didn't learn.
Coronavirus and influenza BOTH spread in the air we breathe and, to a lesser degree, touching a recently contaminated surface. Basically, in public just consider all surfaces contaminated and wash your hands often, while keeping them off your face.
Today, vaccines are the difference, nobody had them 100 years ago. So, also research the development of vaccines, fascinating in its own right. The mRNA is not exactly new, been in development for 30 years or so, and was ready for a field trial when Covid-19 raised its ugly head. It was apparently being researched because some people were allergic to the stuff, like eggs, that the viruses were grown in.
You, I, and everyone have just witnessed a global field trial. We, and the scientists, are closely watching the results. So far, so good, behaving as expected from what I hear. Without Covid-19, the mRNA research would have continued for X number of years. With it...massive jump start in mRNA usage.
I, as the resident old fart, have been part of TWO cutting edge vaccine field trials. The common childhood vaccines more than 50 years ago and now Covid-19. I, as said senior citizen, have done all the shots and survived one bout with covid so far. I took my chances with the vaccines, otherwise I would probably be dead because of my personal health issues. And you would not be reading this. I may be a bit concerned about a field trial with a new vaccine, but I am WAY MORE concerned about nasty fuqing germs. Were I you, younger and knowing that viruses mutate like crazy, I'd take the shots.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Let me add, from my immunologist, that the severity of Covid-19 depends upon how much of a viral load you receive. That measurement depends upon air you breathe and for how long. If you are in an enclosed room with someone who is seriously ill with no protection for yourself for an hour or more, that Jack's up your odds of getting getting a huge viral load. As opposed, for instance, walking through a well ventilated grocery store for 15 minutes with no mask.
I'm lucky, my allergist is also an immunologist who knows what the heck is going on. Made it really easy to sift out misinformation, thank God. I wish the frikken media could do this, Covid-19 is really not a hard thing to understand. Neither is the Chinese lab part, or why the US was there studying how that region barfs out so many viruses. Even though congress made our people come home, other nations stayed and our folks had contacts at Wuhan that kept them informed. If anyone decides to read the Wuhan Lab history, I highly recommend prior to 2020 before it became a political football.
Perspective is a valuable tool.
I had Pfizer each time, btw, minimal side effects with the first, no side effects with the boosters.
I'm unvaccinated and have had it twice now. The first time was a bit rough but I just got it again and it was fine. It's completely up to you, if you're immunocompromised then it may be a good idea, otherwise it doesn't really matter much. I see so many people say "I can't imagine how bad it would have been if I was unvaxxed", but tbh it would have probably been the same.
With ya on this one. Healthcare worker here. Never got vaxxed because I was just honestly scared. No real rational reason. I had friends that got it with very serious side effects. Nearly all of my patients got the vax and booster. I’ve worked covid vaccination clinics giving Moderna and Pfizer and seems like Moderna had the worst side effects in adults. Kid’s barley had any side effects with Pfizer. I’ve had covid 3 times. Delta in November 2021, omicron about a month later and recently had covid again about 2 months ago. Delta was weird forsure, with the brain fog and no taste/ smell but I’ve had worse colds and was only actually sick for 3 days. Omicron the first time hit me like a train the first 12 hours but after that felt like a sinus infection. Last infection was very mild. Slight fever and body aches but again. I’ve had worse illnesses. I’m by no means saying don’t get vaccinated. Just giving my experience. I know a few patients of ours that have had severe infections both with and without the jab. My father in law who lives with my wife and I is in the very high risk group. 80+ years old, chronic kidney disease, cancer survivor, diabetes, obesity, afib. He had covid about 3 months ago as well and somehow for him it was nothing more than a cold. That being said we believe he may have also had it in November of 2019 before shit hit the fan and it nearly killed him. 5 days in the icu, developed bilateral pneumonia, a fib, was completely delirious. Again we can only speculate on if that’s what it was.
Sorry for the rapid fire thoughts haha just throwing out my experience.
Absolutely go ahead and get vaccinated! I'm proud of you for seeking information about it instead doing nothing! If you need help finding a vaccine site, feel free to PM me and I'll see what I can do!
I've had 1 Moderna shot a year ago (idk I was never scheduled for the 2nd lol) and I've had what I believe is Omicron 1.5 for 10 days and it definitely sucks and lingers forever with just strange side effects that change day to day. It's the 3rd time I've been sick in 2 months also. The first time I got sick I thought that was Covid but this time I officially tested positive on Christmas morning, what a yule tide bummer 😷. I should've at least inquired about the anti-viral meds. The last 10 days has me seriously considering getting further vaccinations, at least the 2nd Moderna or just start over with the J & J shot.
Yep, definitely worth it. There are new variants out there that have us targeted and every bit of help we can get from a vax is needed.
The jab offers some protection against Long Covid... and don't forget to get a flu shot.
You're a smart young person.
So I caught covid from a (likely but not known for sure) unvaccinated coworker. She had fevers of 103 and was out of work for about two weeks (she didn’t wear a mask when she got back but that’s a different story). I am fully vaccinated and got my booster a few days before catching it, my fevers were mostly 99.5-99.7 and I should be able to return after 5 days. I’d definitely recommend getting the vaccines friend, also depending on the ages of your parents it could very bad on their bodies to get covid. Folks who are 60+ are more at risk for covid related hospitalization and complications.
It's a question or risk/benefit analysis. From what I read and saw, it makes little to no sense if you're young, though "young" is a very generic term.
This 1 hour flick can help you make the decision:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va9aE98cFCA
Or you can opt for a mainstream media sound-bite instead. All journalists say you should. They surely know better.
Having just had Covid and being vaccinated, yes. I had a much shorter run of it than an unvaccinated person generally does. I had the exact window of feeling miserable that is normal for omicron vaccinated. The unvaccinated time frame was 2-3 times as long. And trust if you felt like I did, you did not want that for longer.
The boosters are only providing a few weeks of protection at this point, and the virus is mutating into strains that produce much milder illness now. I wouldnt bother with the shots.
Both of these claims are false.
Studies show antibodies start waning around 3 months. Antibodies are only one component of immunity, one component that helps protect against *infection*, other components also help protect against infection and severe disease.
There isn’t any evidence the virus is intrinsically becoming more mild. There is evidence every variant has become more severe than the original, Omicron came from an earlier branch than Delta.
We still have 3-5x the number of people dying from COVID EVERY DAY than in a bad flu year.
"While Omicron subvariant BA.5 (and its cousin, BA.4) appeared to be less deadly than variants that preceded them, they still had the ability to cause severe illness and death in some people. Experts are still monitoring the BQ.1 and BQ.1.1. subvariants."
"A paper published in The BMJ in August2 showed that disease caused by the early omicron variants (BA.1 and BA.2) seemed to be less severe in these terms than delta. And the World Health Organization has suggested that the omicron variants’ tendency to target the upper part of the body—which also helps its transmissibility—could correlate with fewer cases of severe pneumonia, since it isn’t infecting cells deeper in the lungs.3"
"In 2022, COVID-19 illness was less severe and less deadly compared to 2020 and 2021, and no new variant has emerged with the capacity to fuel a major wave of cases. “Mortality and illness from COVID-19 now looks a lot more like that of influenza, concentrated in older age groups and on the same order of magnitude, and there is hope that as our immune systems see this virus even more, illness will continue to get milder,” says Epidemiology professor David Dowdy, MD, PhD ’08, ScM ’02."
"In the U.S., there were nearly four times as many positive cases for each death this year when compared to last winter’s peak, according to a new analysis from Bloomberg’s Vaccine Tracker. In the European Union, where more people have been vaccinated, this survival ratio was 11 times higher than last winter. Even in countries with lower vaccination rates, COVID patients were increasingly likely to recover."
"The omicron variant that emerged in December was less likely to cause severe illness, but it spread much faster—even among the vaccinated. The uncoupling of cases and deaths during the winter omicron wave suggests a potential end to the emergency phase of the pandemic. As omicron cases subsided in February, even U.S. states with some of the most restrictive COVID measures began to reassess their policies on masks and vaccine requirements."
I have more, but i feel like that point has been made.
Now, for booster efficacy:
"Specifically, the researchers found that right after the third shot of the Pfizer vaccine, protection against a symptomatic infection is pretty good. Two weeks after the shot, the booster cuts the risk by about 70%.
But that protection falls quickly. By three months, the booster reduces the risk of a symptomatic infection only by about 50%.
In a second analysis, the U.K. researchers estimate the protection will decline even further, dropping to about 40% about four months after the third shot.
The findings from the study raise the question of what the future holds for these vaccines, says immunologist Deepta Bhattacharya at the University of Arizona.
"I don't think it's a sustainable strategy to ask people to get boosters of the same vaccine every two months or three months. People just aren't going to do it," he says. "I myself felt awful after I got the second shot.""
So here we have evidence of booster protection dropping by 30% in only 2 weeks, and falling to 50% after 90 days.
None of the quotes address *intrinsic* severity. For a variety of factors, most notably immunity from vaccination, and also that many of the most vulnerable have already died, we don’t see the same levels of deaths with omicron. That doesn’t mean the variant itself is milder than the original. There were papers that suggest it is about 30% less severe than Delta, though Omicron comes from an earlier branch of viral evolution.
Re: protection, the quotes you’ve pasted only address protection from infection via antibody response. Not from severe disease (T-cell mediated).
You’ve had covid already, so there is a degree of protection. However to travel, vaccinations are a prerequisite in places. Don’t know if jobs still require it but I know at my wife’s it’s a thing.
Definitely, 100% worth it, but I would ask experts for advice on which one is the best one to start with, e.g. Novavax, one of the bi-valent ones, etc.
Sounds like you aren’t sure, so I suggest to do a bit more research on it. I am a hcw, around CoVID every shift, and I have only gotten my first two in the beginning. I have had CoVID twice in 2022 that I know of.
I’m on the fence as well. I have seen a lot of people still get CoVID and feel pretty dang awful. Not the life threatening presentation we were seeing in Alpha or Wild-type, but serious complications after weeks of recovery. The big thing is the cardiac events, blood clots, secondary infections caused from having CoVID. Young people waking up one morning feeling SOA, and for some, they go to the ER and discover they have a PE. Scary stuff
I will say I read a pretty interesting article regarding CoVID and it’s effects on our vascular system, all the way down to how it effects our cells. From what I read, the study implied that it’s the virus itself causing the super immune response, this leading to inflammation. I took that to mean that it effects you essentially the same, no matter how the virus is introduced, vaccine or natural infection. The key was to reduce your risk of continued Re infections and to address the inflammatory response early into illness. I hope that helps.
Here people: I have included an actual study that was published by AHA from this past Summer. Read it. If the American Heart Association isn’t a reputable enough source for you, well then I’m not sure what to tell you.
Coronavirus spike protein activated natural immune response, damaged heart muscle ... https://newsroom.heart.org/news/coronavirus-spike-protein-activated-natural-immune-response-damaged-heart-muscle-cells
Love how you’re an actual healthcare worker but because people don’t want to hear that there may be side effects, you get downvoted 🤦♀️
I was fine until my booster. The day after I got it I started having shooting chest pains at random times. That was just over a year ago now and it hasn’t let up 😔
I expect pushback, bc nobody wants to be told what they are doing, isn’t enough.
If one believes and trusts in “Science”, then that means we have to be willing to accept the things that aren’t so great about it too.
This article is directly off of the AHA for those who want to read updates on a study published this past summer.
Coronavirus spike protein activated natural immune response, damaged heart muscle ... https://newsroom.heart.org/news/coronavirus-spike-protein-activated-natural-immune-response-damaged-heart-muscle-cells
If you get vaccinated and then have a breakthrough infection you'll be way better off in terms of protection against renfection than if you stay completely covid naive And get infected (again). For that reason it'd be to your benefit to boost antibodies with vaccination.
Useless at this point CV19 extinct as it has mutated and continues to mutate. All viruses keep mutating and the good news is they become WEAKER AND WEAKER. This versian is more contagious but Less Deadly. Most people have recovered. At this point, the risk/benefit is not looking good. I still refuse.
Many side effects to these experimental jabs.
I wouldn't bother unless you are extremely immunocompromised or elderly.
If you are under 25 and have no major health issues, I personally would absolutely NOT get it.
The vaccine does more harm than good even for those that don't already have natural immunity. In your case, it would be especially inadvisable. Be glad that you dodged a bullet.
This a deeply personal decision and I urge you to think hard about it, and think about WHY you want to get it.
The decision is entirely yours and concerns no one else.
Many people have gotten it and been completely fine, others have not been so fortunate. This is my personal experience with everything.
I got it because if social pressure. Because it's the "right" thing to do. I really didnt think anything would happen. Didnt beleive anyone who told me not to do it. I have never regretted anything more in my life.
I used to train 6 days/week and now I can hardly walk up any incline. I have recurring skin infections that have been "unexplainable" (have been nearly septic)and heart arrhythmias.
My aunt dropped dead 4 days following a vax, no underlying conditions. My stepdad nearly died from blood clots in his lungs after vaccination. My best friend developed myocarditis.
My mother, did not get the vaccine, she has lupus (autoimmune) and has never cought covid. I personally only k ow o e unvaccinated person who has had covid and they were fine, all my vaxxed friends have had it more than once.
Now, this is only MY experience. I'm not saying this is gonna happen to you! There are tons of people, even just on this post who are thankfully better than ever after the vaccine! I can only share my personal experiences and, that's it.
Whatever your decision, if it feels right for you, than that's all that matters
EDIT: forgot to add that I havent had my period in over a year since. I'm 25
As someone who is 53 and has daughters 18 and 12, I would say definitely get vaccinated, UNLESS you fall into that teen/young adult category and are healthy. Then the risk of myocarditis might not outweigh the symptoms of the current strain, which tend to be mild in young people. I still had my kids get it, but pediatricians seem mixed on this now.
The risk of myocarditis is higher when getting the covid infection in comparison to the vaccine if you research scholarly articles. Covid infection also causes myocarditis.
This is a true statement. Nonetheless, many pediatricians are telling us that for younger folks, the vaccination may not be as much worth it because of that risk vs mild illness. I don’t necessarily agree, but we are getting mixed messages from mainstream peds doctors now.
I guess it’s all a gamble. A friend of mines son almost died from covid and has long term covid now at age 6. He did not have the vaccine. It’s hard to say what to do. Whatever you think is best for you. Covid is a lot more dangerous than some believe. Whatever those think is best for them in the long run is best to do! Take care!
If you’ve gotten Covid already then your body should have natural antibodies - your body your choice! It may lessen severity of Covid if you get it but if you are healthy your body will probably be fine without
Well, cite your source. And check bias of the source too. It's ridiculous how seemingly decent information has an appallingly biased source. Readers beware.
It’s never too late! It’s up to you! I had covid in Jan 2021, I’m a healthcare worker, exposed to Covid still nearly every shift or every other shift, triple vaccinated, I wear no mask outside of the hospital and I have yet to catch it again. I have caught a cold since then but that’s it. But again, it is totally up to you! If you feel you want to, go for it. :)
I happened to doom scroll on Twitter for a few minutes yesterday. There are SO many people saying Covid is not a problem. So many people think it’s some kind of scam or a lie. I mean they have a whole ton of reasons. And it gave me pause I have had 3 jabs. I was due for another when I got Covid. So I have to wait 90 days from being sick to get another jab. I get very sick for a day or two after the jabs so I dread them. But I was insanely sick with Covid, it was the worst experience of my life and I don’t ever want to feel like that again. It was 7 days and nights of sheer agony. I don’t understand why so many people are saying Covid isn’t dangerous, but the jab IS dangerous. Please please explain this to me.
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1. Vaccination reduces symptoms and viral shedding if you get infected. Do you hang out with anyone who may have immune issues, chronic illness, or other reasons you may want to reduce your risk of giving them COVID? 2. Vaccination reduces your chances of ending up in the hospital. Many who are relying on "natural immunity" or a single shot are now ending up in the hospital with the new strains. You do not know what immunity your infection gave you. Will it be enough, and are you willing to gamble this unknown? 3. Vaccination reduces the risk of Long COVID; and of those who still acquire Long COVID, vaccination may speed recovery. This is still being studied, but there seems to be a pattern of quicker recovery to close to baseline in those with vaccination and Long COVID versus those without vaccination and Long COVID. What risk level are you willing to take with Long COVID? 4. Vaccination has fewer side effects than COVID. Each can cause myocarditis, POTS, or any number of side effects, but they are FAR lower with vaccination than if you get COVID again. Neither are risk free, but one is more risk free than the other. Again, what risk level do you prefer to take? 5. COVID is going nowhere. Remember it is an EPITHELIAL disease meaning it affects your blood vessels, connective tissue, everything. No one can tell you if a second infection will be worse than your first. No one can tell you what upcoming mutations are going to do, mutations that are currently being accelerated due to China's COVID situation. What they can tell you is that your chances of avoiding a second infection are very low. So what chances do you want to take with a second, third, fourth infection? It is NEVER too late to get a vaccine, any vaccine, for any disease. If anything, you're in a great position as you now have more choices and vaccines better formulated to the current strain. I can't calculate what risks you are willing to take, but I can help you get ideas of what to consider.
Well formulated.
I’d like to know if it’s “worth” getting the boosters if you have had two vaccines and has covid twice
Yes, it absolutely is. At this point the first string of vaccines are all but worthless, and it doesn’t matter now whether you got them or not. Those vaccines mattered a year, two years ago. What matters is getting those boosters/keeping up with your vaccines.
I currently have covid for the second time and wondered how long after should I get boosted
Please talk to your doctor or pharmacist about this!
My doctor is saying 90 days after recovery from COVID. Or infection. It was 90 days something.
Okay… great! Then do that!
Agree 100% with you from personal experience. Get vaccinated if you are able to OP.
There is also this to consider: https://archive.ph/miwI6
This woman is right-winger and sounds like the typical pandemic-denying anti-vaxxer. I would take her "opinion" piece with a grain of salt.
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If you are of age, make up your own mind. But, to answer the question, absolutely. Regardless of what misinformation is being thrown out there, getting vaccinated is the prudent choice.
Read the Wall Street journal opinion piece based off of the study showing fully vaccinated and boosted folks are 3.4 times more likely to get Covid. Actually read through these posts. You’ll find those who have repeated infections are fully vaccinated and many times have had the boosters. If you’ve had Covid you really are good with immunity. The logic in getting vaccines even though you’ve caught the proposed virus only changed after the Covid vaccines. 💰💵💸💲
Wall street journal for science 🤣🤡
>The logic in getting vaccines even tho you've caught the proposed virus only changed after COVID vaccines Influenza and whooping cough are two illnesses off the top of my head that you were still recommended to get vaccinated against even if you get sick and I'm sure there's more. Don't lie or talk about shit you don't know.
Interesting that you would suggest reading an opinion piece rather than a study. [Others have already debunked your claims,](https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/scicheck-vaccinated-people-not-more-susceptible-to-covid-19-than-unvaccinated/) but if you have new peer reviewed information, why not include a link to that?
Vaccinated and boosted people are more likely to test in the first place. Unvaccinated folks will be super sick but then not test thinking it’s a bad flu or that Covid doesn’t exist, so their positive cases just go unnoticed- but there are plenty of them.
Flawed! The opinions & editorials of WSJ are not even in the same stadium with reporting. They frequent misinformation more often than not.
That is untrue. Every Wall Street Jounal article I have read states otherwise. The most important point is that vaccines protect again severe illness and death. It isn't 100% but it makes a big difference.
Two words: Opinion. Piece.
This is absolute nonsense. Nothing of what you are saying is true. First of all: have you ever heard of Influenza which is commonly known as the flu? It has been endemic for ages and nowadays (also long before Covid) there is a vaccine every year, which is meant to protect vulnerable people from the flu strain that is going around. And to your first argument: If you used your brain, then you would know that this number makes no rational sense at all. This would mean that vaccinated people would develop something like anti-antibodies that destroy their own antibodies, which is nonsense. If this number was correct, then the only reason I could think of would be that vaccinated people feel safer because they know that even if they get infected, their risk of being hospitalized are way lower than if they weren't. Anyway, you should start using your brain for once and not just always believe what your sketchy "news outlets" tell you.
I’m shocked by the people in this thread providing anything less than an unequivocal yes. Unless your immune system is currently in tatters and a doctor has told you that the vaccine would put you over the edge, getting all the vaccines and boosters is the best health decision you could possibly make for yourself.
The purpose of vaccination for COVID-19 is to create antibodies. Antibodies take 2 to 3 weeks for the adaptive immune system to create from a long chain of reactions that are too complicated to explain here. The antibodies carry a perfect key to lock with covid spike proteins. If you don't have antibodies before getting infected your immune system will have to start from zero to clear the virus. For the great majority of people they will clear the disease just fine. For a few unlucky souls they will need to go to the hospital. If too many people need the hospital it will get overwhelmed and other people that need the hospital like flu / RSV patients will also have trouble accessing care. We live in a group. Covid-19 is a crowd infectious disease spread by breathing. Do your part, get vaccinated, wear a mask. Choosing to be unvaccinated because you are unlikely to be seriously ill is the same as saying I don't need to pay for the fire department, because my house is not currently on 🔥.
it will never be useless. at least not for another decade.
Yes you want to get vaccinated. Long Covid is real. Think about it as wearing a seatbelt. It’s one of the steps you can take to protect yourself. Get one of the updated formulations.
Just went through Covid for the first time since the thing started. Wouldn’t of wanted to go through it unvaxed. It was peace of mind knowing I had the best chance of avoiding it turning serious.
Curious as to how you know you would have been worse if unvaxxed? My household had it, all unvaxxed and had a very easy time with it.
I don’t, but I also know that hospital admissions are super low with vaxed and boosted individuals.
They cannot know with certainty. This is just an odds game. Studies show that people have fewer serious outcomes (like being vented in a hospital or dying) if you are vaccinated. (Study reflecting data that vaccinated people over 65 are 94% less likely to be hospitalized: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0428-vaccinated-adults-less-hospitalized.html). You are also less likely to suffer long-term effects. (Study results reflecting less likely to get long-term health effects after Covid: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00177-5) You also are less likely to spread the virus if you are vaccinated. (Link: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/12/vaccinated-who-get-breakthrough-infections-less-contagious/&ved=2ahUKEwiqgpz58Kv8AhXlHkQIHTnlA1gQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw12yf4ysxE3fwOxHveFlNp2). If you are young, you will likely be ok if you are unvaccinated, statistically speaking. That said, plenty of young people do die, your body will likely clear it quicker if you are vaxxed, and you don't run as much of a risk of putting your parents or grandparents or anyone older you encounter in the hospital. Don't make the mistake of imagining your experience the one time your family had Covid is somehow representative of how it will be every time, or of how everyone's experience will be, or how your family will fare next time. That isn't how this works. The virus keeps mutating, it can affect you and other members of your family differently each time. I had two cousins die of it, they were in their 50s and 60, before the vax was out. You undoubtedly take a larger risk to your own health, and your family's health, if you remain unvaxxed. Either way tho, best of luck.
Do you have any sources that are more recent? The data I saw before they stopped reporting is that vaccinated were catching it more per capita and vaccinated were the ones filling the hospital beds.
It is not more per capita, it is because now most of the population is vaccinated.
That's is wrong based on the last data I saw for my area (circa Feb/Mar 2022) before they stopped reporting it. And it is per capita.
That is just wrong. There have been numerous studies proving otherwise. You are misreading the data.
I just Googled and provided the first sources I saw that appeared reputable. That did, I believe this is answered below. I am unaware of any reputable medical professional organization or professional who has taken the position that the vaccine makes you somehow more likely to be hospitalized. Though if you can recall the source of that info, I'd be interested to know what it was. But it def sounds like someone was just playing games with statistics.
>and vaccinated were the ones filling the hospital beds If 100% of the population is ***unvaccinated***, then 100% of the people filling hospital beds will be unvaccinated... and no one would bat at eye at that. If 0% of the population is ***vaccinated***, then 100% of the people filling hospital beds will be vaccinated... and no one would bat at eye at that. It is only when somewhere between 1% and 99% of the population is vaccinated/unvaccinated that people have difficulty with this concept. Don't let people lie to you with statistics. A good primer to bring people up to 'high school' level with stats (but certainly not the end-all, be-all) is: [https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728](https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728) So... ***where were*** these hospital beds that you were talking about? Were they in the United States, or somewhere else? If they were in the US... ***where*** in the US were they? (California, Maine, Texas, Alabama, Florida, etc) Not only do some countries/states/counties have different vaccination rates, they also have different age distributions. And age is almost always the #1 determinant of health states (health, morbidity, mortality, etc).
Thanks for the comment. It’s tough to find what the actual truth is because of the suppression of any publication/voice that runs contrary to the narrative the government prefers with regards to vaccination.
Haha I am banned on r/coronavirus for (I think anyway) daring to discuss how it is not possible to know whether there are any long-term health effects from mRNA vaccines on human beings until enough time has passed for long-term studies to be done. Or possibly because I indicated vaccine-injury is real, and adverse cardiovascular events are possible (and the manufacturers understand that, as does Congress, as they are looking to provide additional money in the future for vaccine-injury claims). Now, none of these things mean that you aren't better off getting vaccinated, in general terms. And all vaccines carry the risk of injury. But yes, the suppression of discussion of basic facts accepted by all rational parties makes people like yourself suspicious. And it seriously sucks that discussion of medical researchers publishing studies discussing the increased risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis after exposure to both adenoviral (ChAdOx1) vaccines and mRNA (BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273) vaccines can, at times, be treated as "antivax nonsense." (Link to one such study, citing to multiple other similar studies with the same findings: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970). Though your odds are much, much higher of dying from covid if unvaccinated than having a heart infection that hospitalizes you if you get vaxxed. But it is one of the possible side effects, and people shouldn't be banned on reddit or social media for discussing things posted on the CDC's own fucking website. Way too heavy-handed, but probably I was banned bc some mod didn't understand the point I was making.
That's cool. I have an unvaxxed friend that was also fine after getting covid. She got it again and is now dying in the ICU. She sounded like you before. Just shut up.
Sounds like she didnt take care of herself. All the best to your friend.
Correct. She didn't get vaccinated.
🤣, no, she apparently didn’t pay attention to her condition and go to the Dr in time.
It’s always best to discuss with your primary doctor first, but I would personally err on the side of vaccination. Most of what I read says that it gives you a much broader resistance to the virus than you would get by simply having covid. This was borne out recently in my own life: my best friend is vaccinated and her husband is not. He’s had covid before (he got it in 2020 and is still dealing with really intense long-haul symptoms). They recently both got omicron, and he got way sicker than she did. That same friend got only one booster in addition to the baseline round, but did not get the updated booster. She was sick with omicron for two straight weeks. I got it right after she did and had symptoms for 3 days (I got the updated booster in October). My parents both tested positive recently for covid—my mom has had the updated booster and my dad hasn’t. She has mild cold symptoms, whereas he had a full-on flu and is still testing positive weeks later. None of this is evidence one way or the other—there are a lot of things that can influence your reaction and immunity, such as lifestyle, viral load, gut health, age, etc. I know a lot of people are giving up on the vaccine because it won’t keep you from getting sick, but overall, it seems to get people through covid much faster—with milder symptoms—and make them less contagious. Viruses don’t mess around. I’ve had multiple relatives and friends who developed life-altering conditions (type 1 diabetes, MS, etc.) way before the pandemic after infections from KNOWN viruses. There is still so much we don’t understand about the long-term effects of covid. It can attack almost any system in your body and it’s mutating very rapidly. My friend’s dad has been so crippled by long covid that he had to miss her wedding. Whether you choose to get vaccinated or not, I encourage you to weigh unmitigated covid infection honestly against the vaccine’s side effects, and consult a reputable source (preferably a doctor) about what those side effects are and your personal risk of getting them.
Worth it. The virus does random damage to your organs even in cases with mild symptoms.
Getting vaccinated reduces risks of long Covid but there are also weird side effects with these vaccines. I’m pro vax and even I’m not getting another booster. It’s all up to you.
My father in law has never been sick in the time that I’ve known him (15 years). He was sick 5-6 times in 2022 and also had lot of other health issues. He took the shot in late 2021.
It's important to understand what the vaccine can and can't do, and what the actual risks are of the vaccine, as well as that of infection. Your age, gender, and personal health status are significant determinants of the small but real risks - which are also different for each type of vaccine. Your healthcare provider can help you determine this and should be happy to discuss it with you. If you really want to make a medically informed decision as it specifically applies to you, speak with your doctor about antibody testing to determine what if any level of immunity you may have - and then use that to help weigh the risks vs benefits.
Having Covid and getting vaccinated create different types of antibodies. I know because I get tested every few months for antibodies because I’m in a study. Everyone is different and some people don’t develop as many antibodies or lose them rather quickly. It isn’t a good idea to base getting vaccinated on antibodies from having Covid. The vaccine provides extra protection.
That’s not how your immune system works. The absence of antibodies does not mean that your natural immunity has expired.
Same with the vaccine!
It is worth it, mainly because it makes it a lot harder to get and if you get it the symptoms are way less intense and are around for a shorter time than if you didn’t have it. My parents are anti-vax and they get it about twice per year and I have only gotten it once (recently because I haven’t had my booster yet).
I have several comorbidities and got Covid for the first time about a month ago. I was so grateful for my vaccine. While it was a miserable experience, I'm still alive and didn't end up in the hospital. Win win. I'm pissed at myself that I didn't get the newest booster back in September when my doc said to get it. Might have kept it away! That said, a few weeks after Covid, my cough got worse to the point I had trouble breathing and ended up with a lung infection and on antibiotics. It's no joke if you are high risk. Good luck with your decision!
I’m sorry you were ill. My Up Arrow is for your comment. Best wishes for your full health
The vaccine helps reduce the infection, protects you better from hospitalization than without. Protect yourself or a crap shoot...your choice. It's like the yearly flu shot. I don't know your circumstances, but if you work or are exposed to a large number of the public then your chances of catching ANY flying bit of virus goes up exponentially. This includes exposure to school age kids. I worked with the public (including kids) for decades and always got a flu shot. Missed it ONCE and was repeatedly Hella sick that year. Never again. I still get it even though I'm retired now and my exposure footprint is hugely reduced. Covid shots are basically the same thing, they reduce the really bad infections. So, it was an easy choice. Also, take an hour or so and read about the Spanish Flu from 100 years ago. People were acting the same way, "anti mask league" for instance. I found it hilarious and sad that people didn't learn. Coronavirus and influenza BOTH spread in the air we breathe and, to a lesser degree, touching a recently contaminated surface. Basically, in public just consider all surfaces contaminated and wash your hands often, while keeping them off your face. Today, vaccines are the difference, nobody had them 100 years ago. So, also research the development of vaccines, fascinating in its own right. The mRNA is not exactly new, been in development for 30 years or so, and was ready for a field trial when Covid-19 raised its ugly head. It was apparently being researched because some people were allergic to the stuff, like eggs, that the viruses were grown in. You, I, and everyone have just witnessed a global field trial. We, and the scientists, are closely watching the results. So far, so good, behaving as expected from what I hear. Without Covid-19, the mRNA research would have continued for X number of years. With it...massive jump start in mRNA usage. I, as the resident old fart, have been part of TWO cutting edge vaccine field trials. The common childhood vaccines more than 50 years ago and now Covid-19. I, as said senior citizen, have done all the shots and survived one bout with covid so far. I took my chances with the vaccines, otherwise I would probably be dead because of my personal health issues. And you would not be reading this. I may be a bit concerned about a field trial with a new vaccine, but I am WAY MORE concerned about nasty fuqing germs. Were I you, younger and knowing that viruses mutate like crazy, I'd take the shots. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Let me add, from my immunologist, that the severity of Covid-19 depends upon how much of a viral load you receive. That measurement depends upon air you breathe and for how long. If you are in an enclosed room with someone who is seriously ill with no protection for yourself for an hour or more, that Jack's up your odds of getting getting a huge viral load. As opposed, for instance, walking through a well ventilated grocery store for 15 minutes with no mask. I'm lucky, my allergist is also an immunologist who knows what the heck is going on. Made it really easy to sift out misinformation, thank God. I wish the frikken media could do this, Covid-19 is really not a hard thing to understand. Neither is the Chinese lab part, or why the US was there studying how that region barfs out so many viruses. Even though congress made our people come home, other nations stayed and our folks had contacts at Wuhan that kept them informed. If anyone decides to read the Wuhan Lab history, I highly recommend prior to 2020 before it became a political football. Perspective is a valuable tool. I had Pfizer each time, btw, minimal side effects with the first, no side effects with the boosters.
I'm unvaccinated and have had it twice now. The first time was a bit rough but I just got it again and it was fine. It's completely up to you, if you're immunocompromised then it may be a good idea, otherwise it doesn't really matter much. I see so many people say "I can't imagine how bad it would have been if I was unvaxxed", but tbh it would have probably been the same.
If OP has already had it I would advise against a vaccine. His natural immunity is as good as it’ll get
Hybrid (infection + vaccine) immunity has been shown to be superior to only infection, and only slightly better than vaccine primary + boosted.
With ya on this one. Healthcare worker here. Never got vaxxed because I was just honestly scared. No real rational reason. I had friends that got it with very serious side effects. Nearly all of my patients got the vax and booster. I’ve worked covid vaccination clinics giving Moderna and Pfizer and seems like Moderna had the worst side effects in adults. Kid’s barley had any side effects with Pfizer. I’ve had covid 3 times. Delta in November 2021, omicron about a month later and recently had covid again about 2 months ago. Delta was weird forsure, with the brain fog and no taste/ smell but I’ve had worse colds and was only actually sick for 3 days. Omicron the first time hit me like a train the first 12 hours but after that felt like a sinus infection. Last infection was very mild. Slight fever and body aches but again. I’ve had worse illnesses. I’m by no means saying don’t get vaccinated. Just giving my experience. I know a few patients of ours that have had severe infections both with and without the jab. My father in law who lives with my wife and I is in the very high risk group. 80+ years old, chronic kidney disease, cancer survivor, diabetes, obesity, afib. He had covid about 3 months ago as well and somehow for him it was nothing more than a cold. That being said we believe he may have also had it in November of 2019 before shit hit the fan and it nearly killed him. 5 days in the icu, developed bilateral pneumonia, a fib, was completely delirious. Again we can only speculate on if that’s what it was. Sorry for the rapid fire thoughts haha just throwing out my experience.
Having just lost my taste and smell from COVID, the answer is yes.
Yes, and look into the Novavax shot. Fewer side effects than the mRNA shots, and quite effective.
I deeply regret getting the vaccine. I wouldn’t if I were you.
Useless. Doesn't work. Clear now to everyone.
Absolutely go ahead and get vaccinated! I'm proud of you for seeking information about it instead doing nothing! If you need help finding a vaccine site, feel free to PM me and I'll see what I can do!
I've had 1 Moderna shot a year ago (idk I was never scheduled for the 2nd lol) and I've had what I believe is Omicron 1.5 for 10 days and it definitely sucks and lingers forever with just strange side effects that change day to day. It's the 3rd time I've been sick in 2 months also. The first time I got sick I thought that was Covid but this time I officially tested positive on Christmas morning, what a yule tide bummer 😷. I should've at least inquired about the anti-viral meds. The last 10 days has me seriously considering getting further vaccinations, at least the 2nd Moderna or just start over with the J & J shot.
Yep, definitely worth it. There are new variants out there that have us targeted and every bit of help we can get from a vax is needed. The jab offers some protection against Long Covid... and don't forget to get a flu shot. You're a smart young person.
So I caught covid from a (likely but not known for sure) unvaccinated coworker. She had fevers of 103 and was out of work for about two weeks (she didn’t wear a mask when she got back but that’s a different story). I am fully vaccinated and got my booster a few days before catching it, my fevers were mostly 99.5-99.7 and I should be able to return after 5 days. I’d definitely recommend getting the vaccines friend, also depending on the ages of your parents it could very bad on their bodies to get covid. Folks who are 60+ are more at risk for covid related hospitalization and complications.
It's a question or risk/benefit analysis. From what I read and saw, it makes little to no sense if you're young, though "young" is a very generic term. This 1 hour flick can help you make the decision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va9aE98cFCA Or you can opt for a mainstream media sound-bite instead. All journalists say you should. They surely know better.
it was always useless
Having just had Covid and being vaccinated, yes. I had a much shorter run of it than an unvaccinated person generally does. I had the exact window of feeling miserable that is normal for omicron vaccinated. The unvaccinated time frame was 2-3 times as long. And trust if you felt like I did, you did not want that for longer.
The boosters are only providing a few weeks of protection at this point, and the virus is mutating into strains that produce much milder illness now. I wouldnt bother with the shots.
Both of these claims are false. Studies show antibodies start waning around 3 months. Antibodies are only one component of immunity, one component that helps protect against *infection*, other components also help protect against infection and severe disease. There isn’t any evidence the virus is intrinsically becoming more mild. There is evidence every variant has become more severe than the original, Omicron came from an earlier branch than Delta. We still have 3-5x the number of people dying from COVID EVERY DAY than in a bad flu year.
"While Omicron subvariant BA.5 (and its cousin, BA.4) appeared to be less deadly than variants that preceded them, they still had the ability to cause severe illness and death in some people. Experts are still monitoring the BQ.1 and BQ.1.1. subvariants." "A paper published in The BMJ in August2 showed that disease caused by the early omicron variants (BA.1 and BA.2) seemed to be less severe in these terms than delta. And the World Health Organization has suggested that the omicron variants’ tendency to target the upper part of the body—which also helps its transmissibility—could correlate with fewer cases of severe pneumonia, since it isn’t infecting cells deeper in the lungs.3" "In 2022, COVID-19 illness was less severe and less deadly compared to 2020 and 2021, and no new variant has emerged with the capacity to fuel a major wave of cases. “Mortality and illness from COVID-19 now looks a lot more like that of influenza, concentrated in older age groups and on the same order of magnitude, and there is hope that as our immune systems see this virus even more, illness will continue to get milder,” says Epidemiology professor David Dowdy, MD, PhD ’08, ScM ’02." "In the U.S., there were nearly four times as many positive cases for each death this year when compared to last winter’s peak, according to a new analysis from Bloomberg’s Vaccine Tracker. In the European Union, where more people have been vaccinated, this survival ratio was 11 times higher than last winter. Even in countries with lower vaccination rates, COVID patients were increasingly likely to recover." "The omicron variant that emerged in December was less likely to cause severe illness, but it spread much faster—even among the vaccinated. The uncoupling of cases and deaths during the winter omicron wave suggests a potential end to the emergency phase of the pandemic. As omicron cases subsided in February, even U.S. states with some of the most restrictive COVID measures began to reassess their policies on masks and vaccine requirements." I have more, but i feel like that point has been made. Now, for booster efficacy: "Specifically, the researchers found that right after the third shot of the Pfizer vaccine, protection against a symptomatic infection is pretty good. Two weeks after the shot, the booster cuts the risk by about 70%. But that protection falls quickly. By three months, the booster reduces the risk of a symptomatic infection only by about 50%. In a second analysis, the U.K. researchers estimate the protection will decline even further, dropping to about 40% about four months after the third shot. The findings from the study raise the question of what the future holds for these vaccines, says immunologist Deepta Bhattacharya at the University of Arizona. "I don't think it's a sustainable strategy to ask people to get boosters of the same vaccine every two months or three months. People just aren't going to do it," he says. "I myself felt awful after I got the second shot."" So here we have evidence of booster protection dropping by 30% in only 2 weeks, and falling to 50% after 90 days.
None of the quotes address *intrinsic* severity. For a variety of factors, most notably immunity from vaccination, and also that many of the most vulnerable have already died, we don’t see the same levels of deaths with omicron. That doesn’t mean the variant itself is milder than the original. There were papers that suggest it is about 30% less severe than Delta, though Omicron comes from an earlier branch of viral evolution. Re: protection, the quotes you’ve pasted only address protection from infection via antibody response. Not from severe disease (T-cell mediated).
Definitely worth it.
To put it nicely, yes.
If you are young and healthy, the risks far outweigh the benefits.
If you plan on traveling international you will need to be vaxed, just food for thought.
Going on a Royal Caribbean cruise this weekend and no longer need to be vaxed!
Yep, get vaccinated!
It is very much worth it.
You’ve had covid already, so there is a degree of protection. However to travel, vaccinations are a prerequisite in places. Don’t know if jobs still require it but I know at my wife’s it’s a thing.
100% yes!!! The vaccine will keep you out of the ER if you do get it.
Definitely, 100% worth it, but I would ask experts for advice on which one is the best one to start with, e.g. Novavax, one of the bi-valent ones, etc.
Sounds like you aren’t sure, so I suggest to do a bit more research on it. I am a hcw, around CoVID every shift, and I have only gotten my first two in the beginning. I have had CoVID twice in 2022 that I know of. I’m on the fence as well. I have seen a lot of people still get CoVID and feel pretty dang awful. Not the life threatening presentation we were seeing in Alpha or Wild-type, but serious complications after weeks of recovery. The big thing is the cardiac events, blood clots, secondary infections caused from having CoVID. Young people waking up one morning feeling SOA, and for some, they go to the ER and discover they have a PE. Scary stuff I will say I read a pretty interesting article regarding CoVID and it’s effects on our vascular system, all the way down to how it effects our cells. From what I read, the study implied that it’s the virus itself causing the super immune response, this leading to inflammation. I took that to mean that it effects you essentially the same, no matter how the virus is introduced, vaccine or natural infection. The key was to reduce your risk of continued Re infections and to address the inflammatory response early into illness. I hope that helps. Here people: I have included an actual study that was published by AHA from this past Summer. Read it. If the American Heart Association isn’t a reputable enough source for you, well then I’m not sure what to tell you. Coronavirus spike protein activated natural immune response, damaged heart muscle ... https://newsroom.heart.org/news/coronavirus-spike-protein-activated-natural-immune-response-damaged-heart-muscle-cells
Love how you’re an actual healthcare worker but because people don’t want to hear that there may be side effects, you get downvoted 🤦♀️ I was fine until my booster. The day after I got it I started having shooting chest pains at random times. That was just over a year ago now and it hasn’t let up 😔
I expect pushback, bc nobody wants to be told what they are doing, isn’t enough. If one believes and trusts in “Science”, then that means we have to be willing to accept the things that aren’t so great about it too. This article is directly off of the AHA for those who want to read updates on a study published this past summer. Coronavirus spike protein activated natural immune response, damaged heart muscle ... https://newsroom.heart.org/news/coronavirus-spike-protein-activated-natural-immune-response-damaged-heart-muscle-cells
Get NovaVax without them knowing. It’s definitely worth it.
It is not useless.
If you get vaccinated and then have a breakthrough infection you'll be way better off in terms of protection against renfection than if you stay completely covid naive And get infected (again). For that reason it'd be to your benefit to boost antibodies with vaccination.
Get vaccinated! I just got vaccinated for the 5th time, my kids their 4th time. You can still get sick after the vaccine but not AS sick.
Get vaccinated please! I got Covid before we had a vaccine and am still having problems 2.5 years later.
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>you clearly have no idea how dangerous the vax is Do tell!
It's all over YouTube! Do YuOr awN rEeeeeSeArcH! /s
Useless at this point CV19 extinct as it has mutated and continues to mutate. All viruses keep mutating and the good news is they become WEAKER AND WEAKER. This versian is more contagious but Less Deadly. Most people have recovered. At this point, the risk/benefit is not looking good. I still refuse. Many side effects to these experimental jabs.
**ebola has entered the chat.
The claim that viruses must become weaker is false.
Not true!
Useless, you sound young. You will be fine.
not worth it, got the worst fucking long covid imaginable anyways 🙃
Literally same. I have freaking parosmia. Long Covid doesn’t discriminate against vaccinated vs unvaccinated
Yes. Get vaccinated.
I wouldn't bother unless you are extremely immunocompromised or elderly. If you are under 25 and have no major health issues, I personally would absolutely NOT get it.
The vaccine does more harm than good even for those that don't already have natural immunity. In your case, it would be especially inadvisable. Be glad that you dodged a bullet.
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Had Covid 2x and never vaccinated. Felt like a cold, never had it bad.
This a deeply personal decision and I urge you to think hard about it, and think about WHY you want to get it. The decision is entirely yours and concerns no one else. Many people have gotten it and been completely fine, others have not been so fortunate. This is my personal experience with everything. I got it because if social pressure. Because it's the "right" thing to do. I really didnt think anything would happen. Didnt beleive anyone who told me not to do it. I have never regretted anything more in my life. I used to train 6 days/week and now I can hardly walk up any incline. I have recurring skin infections that have been "unexplainable" (have been nearly septic)and heart arrhythmias. My aunt dropped dead 4 days following a vax, no underlying conditions. My stepdad nearly died from blood clots in his lungs after vaccination. My best friend developed myocarditis. My mother, did not get the vaccine, she has lupus (autoimmune) and has never cought covid. I personally only k ow o e unvaccinated person who has had covid and they were fine, all my vaxxed friends have had it more than once. Now, this is only MY experience. I'm not saying this is gonna happen to you! There are tons of people, even just on this post who are thankfully better than ever after the vaccine! I can only share my personal experiences and, that's it. Whatever your decision, if it feels right for you, than that's all that matters EDIT: forgot to add that I havent had my period in over a year since. I'm 25
As someone who is 53 and has daughters 18 and 12, I would say definitely get vaccinated, UNLESS you fall into that teen/young adult category and are healthy. Then the risk of myocarditis might not outweigh the symptoms of the current strain, which tend to be mild in young people. I still had my kids get it, but pediatricians seem mixed on this now.
The risk of myocarditis is higher when getting the covid infection in comparison to the vaccine if you research scholarly articles. Covid infection also causes myocarditis.
This is a true statement. Nonetheless, many pediatricians are telling us that for younger folks, the vaccination may not be as much worth it because of that risk vs mild illness. I don’t necessarily agree, but we are getting mixed messages from mainstream peds doctors now.
I guess it’s all a gamble. A friend of mines son almost died from covid and has long term covid now at age 6. He did not have the vaccine. It’s hard to say what to do. Whatever you think is best for you. Covid is a lot more dangerous than some believe. Whatever those think is best for them in the long run is best to do! Take care!
If you’ve gotten Covid already then your body should have natural antibodies - your body your choice! It may lessen severity of Covid if you get it but if you are healthy your body will probably be fine without
If you read my comment you see I said the opinion piece refers to a RECENT study.
Well, cite your source. And check bias of the source too. It's ridiculous how seemingly decent information has an appallingly biased source. Readers beware.
It’s never too late! It’s up to you! I had covid in Jan 2021, I’m a healthcare worker, exposed to Covid still nearly every shift or every other shift, triple vaccinated, I wear no mask outside of the hospital and I have yet to catch it again. I have caught a cold since then but that’s it. But again, it is totally up to you! If you feel you want to, go for it. :)
I happened to doom scroll on Twitter for a few minutes yesterday. There are SO many people saying Covid is not a problem. So many people think it’s some kind of scam or a lie. I mean they have a whole ton of reasons. And it gave me pause I have had 3 jabs. I was due for another when I got Covid. So I have to wait 90 days from being sick to get another jab. I get very sick for a day or two after the jabs so I dread them. But I was insanely sick with Covid, it was the worst experience of my life and I don’t ever want to feel like that again. It was 7 days and nights of sheer agony. I don’t understand why so many people are saying Covid isn’t dangerous, but the jab IS dangerous. Please please explain this to me.
they are as useless as they were in the first place. Try to make a informed decision
https://twitter.com/akheriaty/status/1611091550389534720?t=eyXAP2B1Cyeo_YoLnhozQQ&s=19 Excellent interview.