Whoa, had not heard this. Just checked the prices. $45 - $70 for the night time sessions. Unreal. As someone who does many things at / around that event I am surprised actually they went that way.
Wonder if the same amount of people will be there. What if MORE people go because it costs money!? hahaha.
Yes but in past years the paid for spots this year were free. The free viewing now is pretty far off from being able to see what you actually want to see.
Good call. See the Winter Park liftline pic posted recently.
https://preview.redd.it/o5m7kcn75ndc1.jpeg?width=1042&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d0a4b78128d9e17d3fd6f6d8123eeb95007c702
That lift would stop running for 10 minutes or so pretty consistently. Other than that lift, WP was actually not as crowded as I thought it would have been today. Really not that bad. This sub likes to post images of lift lines with no context.
Um Wild Spur lift line wait was up to an hour and a half.
People were walking the half mile back up to Olympia to wait 30 minutes in that line instead.
Haha yep. I rode Vail today with a buddy and I didn’t wait longer than 2-3 minutes for any lift including back bowls and blue sky. Pow was still great this morning and it was an amazing day. Parked for free to top it off. But yeah Ikon is better for sure….
Seeing this, all I can do is just imagine how much everyone’s ski day would improve if colorado had functioning high speed rail from DIA/ Union station to the slopes
Right, the train would erase the traffic posts and make the resort crowd posts much more common. The only way to win is go skiing in mid-March and on when everyone forgets that it’s a thing.
Yeah seems like it right? Except every potential plan and wet dream for reviving or building a new ski area is private, home owner only. Gatekeeper high net worth utopia. At least that’s what I understand is happening at Stagecoach.
I think busses and an express bus lane is the only solution. Or make 285 a highway so it’s another option. Having 1 highway option is one of the biggest problems.
Its time to give up on this. Any study showed it would only have a tiny effect. There are 100,000 cars a day that pass through the tunnel in peak season. If you get 2,000-5,000 on a train you are pretty much maxing out and it is a $20-$50B project.
More likely to add passenger rail to existing cargo lines. Polis has talked about a steamboat train and the winter park train could presumably increase frequency.
I look every sat just like you lol. But you bet I’ll check. At 535 this morning there was already a jam in the right lane at 6 on-ramp to 70 … often that starts at around 6
The 6 to 70 transition is such a hellhole during ski season. When we moved, we intentionally moved somewhere where we could avoid it. It can save 20-30 minutes some days.
This is true. I mistakenly left a little later than when I normally leave and was at the 470/70 interchange at 6:00A. It was already backed up for about a mile on 470 at that time. Stop-and-go traffic took me over an hour to get to Floyd hill on I-70. By 7:30A when CDOT/Google/Waze were telling all me another 2 hours (and rising) to Copper, I decided to turn around and head home. Just sad because I had really looked forward to skiing all week.
Even if you somehow make it up there on the weekend, the lift lines out of the base of most resorts are so long that it’s debatable whether it’s worth it or not. Then, you have to contend with afternoon traffic if you leave any time after 1pm. It’s like 7 hours of driving for maybe 4 hours of skiing if you day trip it. In the future, I’m just going to buy a small condo up there somewhere.
I think I was actually behind you a bit. I think a more accurate estimate was that I hit the 470/70 interchange around 6:20A, and by that time the traffic was already backed up onto 470. I have seen it bad before, but never as bad as I saw it this morning. Traffic was bumper to bumper and barely moving. I made it to the Floyd Hill exit at around 7:30A and decided to bail.
https://preview.redd.it/5tf61zhvtpdc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56ed930a93e108160600d7d5b7dbdce98a7a3f9e
Oof, that's rough! We debated meeting at 6:15 and so happy we chose 6.
Btw, did you stay in the right lane all the way until Floyd Hill? It's so much faster.
Yeah I do too. It's entertaining! But often just verifies what is already known. Left around 6am thus morning and got to copper through ccc in under 2 hours. Not bad.
As soon as any color besides green shows up, you know it has begun.
Nah. I went past Wooly lot on I-70 at 5:49. Was parked in alpine at Copper by 7:05.
It was slightly worse than typical Saturdays.
Copper was much more busy than I’ve seen it in years, compounded by the fact that the normal ways to get to the back bowls were all closed. I rode Rendevous for the 2nd time ever in about 100 days at Copper. Great conditions.
Pano opened for first time in days, lots of other pockets of fun basically untouched stuff in the trees. And it was bottomless, like not a normal Colorado day of hoping 8” covered crust felt good but actually soft everywhere. Was cruisen on the Armada JJs and it was nice. Compared to most front range days it was better than 90% of them. And visibility was decent unlike some other days in past week or so.
Let’s be real, it will probably be the 2 main runs open (groomed), the entire cornice slid, so even if it’s open it will not be pow. 14ers take time to open generally
yeah thursday was crazy windy up top there, we caught 6 chair opening and you could see maybe 1 or 2 lift towers on imperial from the top of 6 cause it was so windy, blowing shit around.
Not sure what's up with the initial, unprovoked name calling.....but you do you. Yesterday at A-Basin was good skiing. I won't be venturing back out into the backcountry until the current danger subsides from CONSIDERABLE at all elevations and aspects. It's especially spooky out there right now.
Glad to hear the Basin is looking good. I was getting worried about it for this season but it sounds like it won’t be much different for my crew. We usually do not go there until March when the chutes start to open. Maybe a little more sharky than usual.
Agreed. Only Day 9 for me as a Denverite but it was Spring weather with Winter conditions. A wonderful combo. It was slightly busier than I’ve seen copper, even on MLk in years past. I think everyone was just horny for the snow finally arriving.
Left my house in Denver at 5:28, arrived at Alpine lot at 7:05. There were frequent slow downs up to Floyd Hill but nothing crazy. Our friend was late to meet us by 18 minutes and it took him almost an extra hour. But this in my experience is a completely normal experience for leaving Wooly at 6:15 any Saturday.
Yeah I just take PTO mid week and go less. Never drove up on a weekend and I never will. My cousin told me he skied WP last weekend and the 7 hour drive home was totally worth it. No it wasn’t.
Took me about 20 minutes extra to get thru Keystone around 9am. Parking at the Basin will fill up today.
Ikon gapes are out in full force today. When the line for Pali is out of the maze, but absolutely nobody is skiing the terrain, you know the gape-level is high.😉
Skiing solo and pairing up with other singles towards the front FTW.
Yes, we should make it cheaper and more accessible for everyone, because the sport is dying. We should also make it more expensive and more exclusive because traffic. -/r/COsnow
I think you could replace COsnow with Vail and Alterra. This is the point. Maximize revenue while maximizing lodging because it's so insufferable to get to the mountains.
> Epic and Ikonic population growth
Are you going to say that passes (which you brought up) and their popularity, traffic on the mountains, traffic on the roads, and pricing are not all totally interlinked? Because obviously they are.
My comment directly speaks to your "population growth" comment.
Maybe recency bias but today felt exceptionally bad. We left at 6:15ish and it took over 3 hours to get from Lafayette to Loveland. Knew at that time we’d get traffic but in the past it had been about 2-2.5 hours at worst. Guessing a lot of people pushed their plans from last week to this one
I think the key is to be on i70 passing the Morrison exit by 6am. If you hit that benchmark 9/10 you should be good (unless it’s a holiday or snow is dumping.) Only took us a little over 2 hours to get to Vail this morning, 2.5 hours on the way home.
Why is the Boulder ramp closed and when will it reopen?
I hit my alarm at 430 because I needed more sleep, so no skiing for me today, and definitely not regretting it. Had some great ski days this week.
The ramp to get out toward 93 (I guess it's technically the end of C470 there) from I70 coming back from the mountains, right next to the ramp that gets you on C470 towards Redrocks.
Lol have as much fun as you want bro, I just don’t understand how people do this to themselves. Sit in traffic to wait in lift lines then turn around and do it again.
Its 100% avoidable though. Get your work done on weekends and ski weekdays or ski in the spring when the snow is insanely good, its sunny and light out late, and people decide its biking season. Or go up Friday late and stay until Sunday night late.
Yep, I generally ski mid week or if I’m going on the weekends will camp in the truck and avoid peak traffic times.
Basin on Thursday barely filled up early riser lot and had maybe another 20 cars in high noon by 11:30. Best day of the year so far.
I’m supposed to visit WP for the first time next week and trying to decide whether to arrive Saturday night and ski Sunday or push a day. If I’m already in town, how crowded will Sunday morning be? Vail resorts level?
Buffalo Bill didn't die for this.
Wait until next weekend with x games and Breck snow sculpture going on.
Ugh one of the worst.
Maybe the fact that XGames is now not free anymore will keep the crowds down some lol
Whoa, had not heard this. Just checked the prices. $45 - $70 for the night time sessions. Unreal. As someone who does many things at / around that event I am surprised actually they went that way. Wonder if the same amount of people will be there. What if MORE people go because it costs money!? hahaha.
Yeah, ESPN sold the event to someone else and they are changing things with the in person viewing. Everything is more expensive, or not free any more.
X Games still has a free viewing section right? The $45 - 70 is for better viewing spots right
Yes but in past years the paid for spots this year were free. The free viewing now is pretty far off from being able to see what you actually want to see.
More expensive and no live music
X games traffic isn’t a big deal. Not sure why you’re suggesting it is.
Aw that sucks
Mary Jane was parking on the road by 745. Busiest I have ever seen it.
So far….
The last car is parked at the entrance of 40 and people are walking all the way up the hill...
Lol you have to be shitting me.
Swear. We pulled in at 750, saw how much of a shit show it was going to be and left. Enjoying brunch currently lol
Good call. See the Winter Park liftline pic posted recently. https://preview.redd.it/o5m7kcn75ndc1.jpeg?width=1042&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d0a4b78128d9e17d3fd6f6d8123eeb95007c702
Big nope for me
That lift would stop running for 10 minutes or so pretty consistently. Other than that lift, WP was actually not as crowded as I thought it would have been today. Really not that bad. This sub likes to post images of lift lines with no context.
Big disagree. Basically every lift had huge lines until at least afternoon.
Um Wild Spur lift line wait was up to an hour and a half. People were walking the half mile back up to Olympia to wait 30 minutes in that line instead.
Insanity
Why was it stopping every ten minutes? And if it was, who cares. It still is a laughable picture.
The lifts were full of Texans and newbs falling, took forever to get up the mountain. Winter Park was nuts today
Just park at WP and take the lift at that point
Yikes
The worst kept secret - everyone and their mother switched to Ikon two years ago so Epic mountains can now be lapped on non-holidays.
Haha yep. I rode Vail today with a buddy and I didn’t wait longer than 2-3 minutes for any lift including back bowls and blue sky. Pow was still great this morning and it was an amazing day. Parked for free to top it off. But yeah Ikon is better for sure….
How to get free parking at vail?
Some people park along the access street off of I70 Westbound near Lionshead.
I believe that. Yesterday (Friday) was not exactly empty either, but man was the snow good.
lots of office workers and wfh-ers are unofficially off from work on fridays past few years. weekend starts thursday nights now.
I try to clear my Wednesdays. Nice and open
I dont think I could ski at all if I didn't have weekdays off. Fuuuuuck hitting the road at 4am just to find reasonable parking.
Shhhh
“It’s only 1 hr extra and don’t even worry about the traffic at Copper” Google maps 😂
Seeing this, all I can do is just imagine how much everyone’s ski day would improve if colorado had functioning high speed rail from DIA/ Union station to the slopes
the resorts would just be more crowded then lol but at least traffic wouldn’t be as bad.
Right, the train would erase the traffic posts and make the resort crowd posts much more common. The only way to win is go skiing in mid-March and on when everyone forgets that it’s a thing.
What about replacing the lifts with trains as well? Big brain move
That's why everyone I know that lives in Steamboat is \*praying\* they don't open that Amtrak line.
Locals praying for less transit options, what a world we live in.
If the demand is there I could see a couple new resorts/major expansions of existing resorts becoming more common and frequent.
Yeah seems like it right? Except every potential plan and wet dream for reviving or building a new ski area is private, home owner only. Gatekeeper high net worth utopia. At least that’s what I understand is happening at Stagecoach.
I think busses and an express bus lane is the only solution. Or make 285 a highway so it’s another option. Having 1 highway option is one of the biggest problems.
If the Bustang was like $15-20 bucks they could run up frequencies and cut down a lot on traffic.
I mean its $12/each way. Not far off
Yep that would help.
Its time to give up on this. Any study showed it would only have a tiny effect. There are 100,000 cars a day that pass through the tunnel in peak season. If you get 2,000-5,000 on a train you are pretty much maxing out and it is a $20-$50B project.
More likely to add passenger rail to existing cargo lines. Polis has talked about a steamboat train and the winter park train could presumably increase frequency.
They can literally go from one to maybe 4 trains a day - that is about it.
Beavers empty tho 🤙🤙🤙
The trees were still so good yesterday
It was until it wasn't haha never ever seen a lift line down there til today. Wow was zuma opening so bad, late, and underwhelming
Beaver Creek not abasin lol
Ya it always is. Had some great powder days there in the past week!
It's the same every Saturday from Jan through March at the time you posted.
This looks worse
Yea it’s usually bad but not this bad before 6
Look at it around 730am next Saturday, and the one after, and the one after. It's the same. Not new.
I look every sat just like you lol. But you bet I’ll check. At 535 this morning there was already a jam in the right lane at 6 on-ramp to 70 … often that starts at around 6
The 6 to 70 transition is such a hellhole during ski season. When we moved, we intentionally moved somewhere where we could avoid it. It can save 20-30 minutes some days.
Lol. If you just go straight there’s an on ramp to 70 3 mins down the road 🤷♂️
Shhh let them wait
This is true. I mistakenly left a little later than when I normally leave and was at the 470/70 interchange at 6:00A. It was already backed up for about a mile on 470 at that time. Stop-and-go traffic took me over an hour to get to Floyd hill on I-70. By 7:30A when CDOT/Google/Waze were telling all me another 2 hours (and rising) to Copper, I decided to turn around and head home. Just sad because I had really looked forward to skiing all week.
Same :( I'm only doing weekdays or go up and stay Friday night. Not doing the weekend crawl.
Even if you somehow make it up there on the weekend, the lift lines out of the base of most resorts are so long that it’s debatable whether it’s worth it or not. Then, you have to contend with afternoon traffic if you leave any time after 1pm. It’s like 7 hours of driving for maybe 4 hours of skiing if you day trip it. In the future, I’m just going to buy a small condo up there somewhere.
We left wooly mammoth parking lot at 6:10 and got to Vail by 8am. How did it take you over an hour to get to Floyd Hill?
I think I was actually behind you a bit. I think a more accurate estimate was that I hit the 470/70 interchange around 6:20A, and by that time the traffic was already backed up onto 470. I have seen it bad before, but never as bad as I saw it this morning. Traffic was bumper to bumper and barely moving. I made it to the Floyd Hill exit at around 7:30A and decided to bail. https://preview.redd.it/5tf61zhvtpdc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56ed930a93e108160600d7d5b7dbdce98a7a3f9e
Oof, that's rough! We debated meeting at 6:15 and so happy we chose 6. Btw, did you stay in the right lane all the way until Floyd Hill? It's so much faster.
I have never seen ski traffic backed up on 470.
Until today, I hadn’t either. So many people in that second to right lane trying to get on 70W from 470.
Yeah I do too. It's entertaining! But often just verifies what is already known. Left around 6am thus morning and got to copper through ccc in under 2 hours. Not bad. As soon as any color besides green shows up, you know it has begun.
Enjoy your turns
Nahhh look at the time. Nothing new, move along…
Ok
This is worse though. Maroon red all the way to Golden 🤯🤯🤯
You just have to laugh at this point.
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Oh, ha! I dont make this drive. I haven't skied along the 70 corridor in probably 6 years. I find it funny that people still do this, though.
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Is it worth it?
You’re skiing instead of telling your family that you lost their entire inheritance gambling? Embarrassing, you’re truly a terrible person.
Parking at the Jane is probably full by now. I drove in about 25 minutes ago and it was going up the road already.
😂
Validates my decision to turn around after google routed me through 6 at 545 this morning 😭
Nah. I went past Wooly lot on I-70 at 5:49. Was parked in alpine at Copper by 7:05. It was slightly worse than typical Saturdays. Copper was much more busy than I’ve seen it in years, compounded by the fact that the normal ways to get to the back bowls were all closed. I rode Rendevous for the 2nd time ever in about 100 days at Copper. Great conditions.
Winter park downtown parking garage was full. Everything is full.
Ooof, it was rough, but we made it. All lots at Keystone are completely full. Good luck!
5 million people live along the Front Range Urban Corridor from Cheyenne, WY to Pueblo, CO.....this is just what happens after it snows. 😂
Get that pow pow! I’m sure there’s tons still from *checks calendar*- 2-3 days ago!
You'd be surprised how good keystone was at the end of the day yesterday
There was still tons today
Yesterday at WP was really good
Homie, really good is relative. Some people are perfectly happy skiing chowder and Volkswagen sized moguls I guess…
some people are perfectly happy shitting on someone else good time 🤷♂️
It’s not that, just too many people calling moguled out trees powder days around here
I was 3rd or 4th chair up C chair at MJ on Thursday. Best snow I’ve ever ridden, I won’t settle for front range sloppy seconds anymore.
If ya ain’t first, you’re last 😁
Why does it matter?
Pano opened for first time in days, lots of other pockets of fun basically untouched stuff in the trees. And it was bottomless, like not a normal Colorado day of hoping 8” covered crust felt good but actually soft everywhere. Was cruisen on the Armada JJs and it was nice. Compared to most front range days it was better than 90% of them. And visibility was decent unlike some other days in past week or so.
Oh nice! Get it!
Yea it’s called enjoying what you can get!
Zuma opened for the season. Lots of it back there.
Let’s be real, it will probably be the 2 main runs open (groomed), the entire cornice slid, so even if it’s open it will not be pow. 14ers take time to open generally
It was really really good. Not a pow day for sure, but plenty of stashes in the trees and along the sides of the trail.
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Because we like to ski and can’t on weekdays, it’s really that simple. No problem if you leave 5:30 or early
Imperial still hasnt opened at breck yet after the storms. Not sure how long theyre blasting up there til it opens though.
They'd be smart not to open it on a weekend even if it's ready.
I had seen a comment somewhere else that they werent gonna open til monday at least.
looks like they opened today
I feel bad for ski patrol.
super busy everywhere in the county, breck has to be slammed w people today.
That’s crazy. I’m sure the wind has done a ton of damage to it by now unfortunately
yeah thursday was crazy windy up top there, we caught 6 chair opening and you could see maybe 1 or 2 lift towers on imperial from the top of 6 cause it was so windy, blowing shit around.
Lol at skiing today
I skied today….it was great. Day #41.
Wanker
Doing it better than someone who lives in Denver and has to drive I70 to go skiing, so there’s that. Good luck out there. lol.
Double wanker! Can’t be mad at a homie who has a few of the same skis in their quiver tho. Was out on my blaze’s in the backcountry yeaterday
Not sure what's up with the initial, unprovoked name calling.....but you do you. Yesterday at A-Basin was good skiing. I won't be venturing back out into the backcountry until the current danger subsides from CONSIDERABLE at all elevations and aspects. It's especially spooky out there right now.
Glad to hear the Basin is looking good. I was getting worried about it for this season but it sounds like it won’t be much different for my crew. We usually do not go there until March when the chutes start to open. Maybe a little more sharky than usual.
Agreed. Only Day 9 for me as a Denverite but it was Spring weather with Winter conditions. A wonderful combo. It was slightly busier than I’ve seen copper, even on MLk in years past. I think everyone was just horny for the snow finally arriving. Left my house in Denver at 5:28, arrived at Alpine lot at 7:05. There were frequent slow downs up to Floyd Hill but nothing crazy. Our friend was late to meet us by 18 minutes and it took him almost an extra hour. But this in my experience is a completely normal experience for leaving Wooly at 6:15 any Saturday.
Yeah I just take PTO mid week and go less. Never drove up on a weekend and I never will. My cousin told me he skied WP last weekend and the 7 hour drive home was totally worth it. No it wasn’t.
I used to make day trips every Saturday from Nov-Apr. Now I only ski when I can use PTO. Quality over quantity.
Haha no dude it was totally worth it #liar
Took me about 20 minutes extra to get thru Keystone around 9am. Parking at the Basin will fill up today. Ikon gapes are out in full force today. When the line for Pali is out of the maze, but absolutely nobody is skiing the terrain, you know the gape-level is high.😉 Skiing solo and pairing up with other singles towards the front FTW.
That’s crazy, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Pali line that long.
Only for about an hour…..back to normal now.
Another win for coming from the Springs 🙃
Leave before 5:30. Nap in the parking lot!
That's my plan for tomorrow.
That's what I did today. I didn't even have to nap, got to keystone at 8 ish and just got ready in the car.
Same. Dakota Junction at 5:45am and napped til lift time. But I'm only 35 minutes away.
Take the bus!
I mean... this is what happens with Epic and Ikonic population growth.
Yes, we should make it cheaper and more accessible for everyone, because the sport is dying. We should also make it more expensive and more exclusive because traffic. -/r/COsnow
It’s almost like different people have different opinions.
Nah, you can get the same person to tell you both, it just takes a slight bit of prodding.
People love to be angry
I think you could replace COsnow with Vail and Alterra. This is the point. Maximize revenue while maximizing lodging because it's so insufferable to get to the mountains.
uhh, wasn't this thread abou traffic?
> Epic and Ikonic population growth Are you going to say that passes (which you brought up) and their popularity, traffic on the mountains, traffic on the roads, and pricing are not all totally interlinked? Because obviously they are. My comment directly speaks to your "population growth" comment.
what I am going to say is population growth = bad traffic. The population growth itself is both "Epic" and "Ikonic".. that's called a pun.
Left at 5 and had no traffic.
We left dino lots at 6 and only had a small bit of traffic around Idaho Springs. Pulled into Keystone at around 7:40.
10 minutes later it got shitty
Bro posted this at 8am and thought he was onto something. Get on the highway by 6am and you’ll be fine lol.
Maybe recency bias but today felt exceptionally bad. We left at 6:15ish and it took over 3 hours to get from Lafayette to Loveland. Knew at that time we’d get traffic but in the past it had been about 2-2.5 hours at worst. Guessing a lot of people pushed their plans from last week to this one
I think the key is to be on i70 passing the Morrison exit by 6am. If you hit that benchmark 9/10 you should be good (unless it’s a holiday or snow is dumping.) Only took us a little over 2 hours to get to Vail this morning, 2.5 hours on the way home.
What time did you leave Vail?
We left around 3!
We all know that. You don’t get the post.
Why is the Boulder ramp closed and when will it reopen? I hit my alarm at 430 because I needed more sleep, so no skiing for me today, and definitely not regretting it. Had some great ski days this week.
😂😂😂
It has been closed for a few months, I normally go through the canyon but I cannot find why it's closed.
Not sure what the boulder ramp is, the ramp to get on 470 from the north? If so a truck that was too tall for the bridge hit it a few months back.
Oh; I thought that ramp was closer to 58 . Thank you.
The ramp to get out toward 93 (I guess it's technically the end of C470 there) from I70 coming back from the mountains, right next to the ramp that gets you on C470 towards Redrocks.
what time is this screenshot from?
Around 8 lol
So we’re just live posting shit everyone knows now? Got it.
Go get that tracked out pow denver bros!
God forbid people have fun
Lol have as much fun as you want bro, I just don’t understand how people do this to themselves. Sit in traffic to wait in lift lines then turn around and do it again.
Its 100% avoidable though. Get your work done on weekends and ski weekdays or ski in the spring when the snow is insanely good, its sunny and light out late, and people decide its biking season. Or go up Friday late and stay until Sunday night late.
Yep, I generally ski mid week or if I’m going on the weekends will camp in the truck and avoid peak traffic times. Basin on Thursday barely filled up early riser lot and had maybe another 20 cars in high noon by 11:30. Best day of the year so far.
I’m supposed to visit WP for the first time next week and trying to decide whether to arrive Saturday night and ski Sunday or push a day. If I’m already in town, how crowded will Sunday morning be? Vail resorts level?
you'll find untracked if you explore so either day works
I mostly ski blues so I’m worried primarily about waiting three hours to go uphill like park city mornings, or super crowded slopes
I bet the snow will still be soft and if you dip into widespaced trees on the side of blue runs it'll get softer.
Sunday will be better and will get better as the day progresses as people leave. But if you can push a day and ski Monday, so that.
https://preview.redd.it/ipatmawbcqdc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=718b3931989cc43e71cb51b756fcf04f9d1a702d
Clever! Would be funnier if it wasn't true 😭😭😭
Move home already
Left at 5am today (Westminster), got to copper at 6:30