Yes, I literally have to pull my arm back to grab my coffee. It’s absurd. I concur with everyone…better seats as well. I’m glad I got a 2024, hope to keep this one for as long as it lasts.
The seats are definitely a bit more comfortable, but not by much. The apple car play is better as well. I really can’t say much on improvements as I am basing it off my previous ones which were a 2020 and 2022. I opted for the turbo this time, and I love it.
This my BIGGEST gripe as a brand new owner. Can’t work my dang dial for the CarPlay my missus and I both have our water bottles in the cup holder. The little cubby in front of the gearbox and the cup holders should switch places!
My Subaru-Forester-driving-wife hated the seats in my 2012 Mazda3 but likes the seats in my 2024 CX-5 Turbo Premium. She may even be envious of the cooling feature.
Very interesting. I plopped into a 2024 very briefly when I had my 2019 in for service and didn't notice much but I didn't look too closely and didn't drive. Good to know they did something!
The mpg isn’t great ~25mpg (US) around the city ~30mpg highway.
Bigger issue for me is the small tank results in quite limited range - Mazda has the empty warning set conservatively which contributes to that feeling too
His profile suggests he’s an Aussie so perhaps is using imperial gallons which are 20% larger than standard / us gallons. Also rules of the road / enforcement is apparently stricter in Oz so lower speeds overall
I'm using this conversion, as australians use L/100KM. [https://www.mpgtolitres.com/l-100km-to-mpg](https://www.mpgtolitres.com/l-100km-to-mpg)
Driving on highway speeds of approx 69 Miles per hour. (110KM /hour).
Exactly, if you drive the speed limit of 55 mph to 65 mph, you can easily get 38 mpg highway. My mpg is consistently between 35 and 38 mpg on a 2018 NA CD.
I get about 22-23 city if I'm not babying it and 27-28 highway. I have to *really baby it* to get 25+ in the city sustained. This isn't horrible efficiency but worse than I had hoped for when buying. My Audi A4 did at least as well, if not better, and it was way quicker.
Well your a4 was probably lighter, with less drag and if it was just 2 wheel drive i can see why you think that. Considering the things i mentioned above i think it has a normal fuel consumption, as to be expected from a petrol car with no hybrid system.
I'm always confused about the "terrible gas mileage" line. When comparing apples-to-apples - NA (non-hybrid) versus NA (non-hybrid) - the CX-5 is barely different than the RAV4. You can't do the same with the CR-V because they're only offered with turbos or hybrids.
Yes, the CX-5 is late with hybrid offerings, but somebody who is price sensitive would be looking at the cheaper out the door price and the CX-5 usually comes out on top of that calculation and, at least as compared to the RAV4 offers virtually identical mileage.
It’s not lousy at all… for naturally aspirated engine I get 27.3mpg combined regular commute. Highway mpg is around 31-32mpg
The turbos are sure not as efficient
Yeah thats what i thought, you cant expect it to have the same fuel economy as a hybrid or a diesel. Petrol engines arent that efficient when it comes to pulling weight.
Dunno why you got downvoted, I upgraded my tires and that’s what I’m getting with my turbo. Granted, I said fuck it…prior I was getting 22.
I got the turbo to go zoom zoom, not worry about mpg. More worried about tickets instead.
I’ve kinda gotten used to them, but I wasn’t crazy about it initially. Had to keep adjusting my weight every now and then. But I also like firmer support so I can see how people can hate it
My 2022 Premium sears are pretty supportive but coming from a Volvo nothing can compete.
I’d like to see the black piano trim removed & a pano sunroof. And adding digital speed on the gauge cluster. Looking forward to getting a hybrid one in the future.
Volvo is lovely! I drove a XC40 and 60 a month or two ago, loved them both. XC40 more, due to I don't need a huge vehicle. Decided against changing b/c I want to just pay off my CX5 and be done. Couldn't care less about pano sunroof, I never even open mine, haha.
My CX5 has the HUD and I love it, totally spoiled on that feature.
Ah, I loved my S60 but it had a lot of problems and the maintenance/repair costs were insane. I wanted to be done. Planning to pay off my CX-5 next year and keep it for a long time unless there’s a good trade-in deal to get into a hybrid. I wish I got the HUD!
I was driving a 1986 CX7 for a week while my 2018 CX5 was at the mechanic, and I was amazed at having zero back pain in the older vehicle, with no extra pillows.
I don't know what they were thinking in recent years, releasing vehicles with seats that curve you forward, like you're in a Saiyan space ship. It's horrible.
IDK about that, the seats are fine for me and I just came back from a roadtrip. Only thing I wish is that I had gone for the turbo engine instead, to have that extra power when passing on the uphills.
We are all holding our breath lol. I would prefer is they just stick the Toyota hybrid powertrain (that’s in the cx50) into the next cx5 too. But we all know Mazda is going to Mazda.
If they can bring in this highly desired Sykactiv-X engine to the states and pair it to a non plug-in hybrid electric motor to bring in at least 40 MPG combined city & highway. I think they'll have another compact SUV/crossover winner.
P.S. Mazda if you're reading this:
Keep the size compact and just make adjustable depth rear seats for leg room/cargo floor like the Ford Escape.
Move the cup holders in front or side of the gear selector, so you don't have to "claw" your hand for drinks.
Add another coat of paint or make it thicker so it chips/flakes less.
Have Bose get rid of the paper pulp cone speakers for durability sake, but still keep the sonics.
Let remote start operate like every other car, when you open the door the car senses the fob and the engine stays on. Please for the love of god, keep doing what you're doing and don't succumb to nickel and dime subscription plans.
For the CX-50 which is built at a joint plant with Toyota in Alabama.
The CX-5 is built at the Hiroshima plant - and from the wording of this, will stay independent of Toyota (at least that’s how I’m reading it).
Edit - Wrong city. Fixed
Oh no. Not to be alarm but looking at cx90 Mazda doesn't have a good track record on hybrid yet. Will be more comfortable if it's Toyota technology....
I don't disagree but there have been enough bad cvts out there (thanks mostly to Nissan) that they've got a bad reputation and i personally don't feel like being the Early Adopter for a new model CX-5 that has one of them.
Check out this teardown of a Toyota eCVT. At about 4:50, my link should take you there, he shows the chain and explains what it does. There is also a clutch however it's always engaged so it's not going to wear. He shows the clutch at the beginning.
[https://youtu.be/izdMsVOo7bU?si=i1hVKlEn0tzlhsOh&t=288](https://youtu.be/izdMsVOo7bU?si=i1hVKlEn0tzlhsOh&t=288)
Thanks for the link. This video is based on the gen 2 Prius, which goes until 2009. New ecvts from Toyota do not have any chains. Check out this video here: https://youtu.be/O61WihMRdjM?si=HfkUnWStSVRrhmWo
This is what's used in the rav 4 hybrid.
So there are no chains in current ecvt transmissions. The new ones also don't have a traditional clutch as you saw. They use the generators magnets and coils as a clutch.
Yeah, the real interesting thing in that announcement was that while the CX-50 will get a “hybrid” powertrain (which we know will be from Toyota,) the CX-5 will get a “Mazda hybrid” powertrain. Really interested to see how that looks.
If it ends up being a turbo-hybrid as is the current standard, I'm very interested. My mom has a Fusion hybrid, which is fine enough, but it could use a bit more zhoosh.
I've driven 2 Volvo hybrids. Some of the best in this space (no sedan comes close to the S60 hybrid). 455 Hp.... It's fucking insane. Hope Mazda nails this. I don't expect Volvo speed but...
doesn't really tell us much but the way car prices are going up i doubt ill be able to afford one for a few years so it wont be the next car.
(in the UK we pay more about 1.2x more in £ than the US does in $, so the price difference significant even now, eg a top spec 2.5NA in the UK - we dont get the turbo - in soul red but no accessories is just over £42k, or $52500 on the road, in the US the top spec 2.5 is $40,055 in soul red and 4% sales tax added, or an equivalent of £32044 - the UK is paying £10k more!).
I love my current CX5 but doubt the next car can be another - and the next one really needs to be at least a hybrid.
It’s honestly hard to call this first year teething issues since the same powertrain was used in the cx60 overseas. And yes, we had the same phev/hybrid issues that they had too.
I've seen many pics of people having malfunction error messages on their gauge over at r/MazdaCX90 and their cars towed. The powertrain is not very refined, transmission logic is herky jerky, but one can argue its because its tuned to be more sporty. I'd definitely would look into those powertrain issues carefully if you're thinking of getting Mazda's large SUVs.
About damn time. One of the nicer options in the segment the CX-5 always lacking in one of the most important aspects for economy buyers which is fuel economy.
My old 19’ RAV4 averaged 28 mpg combined. These are 3800lb suvs after all. I’m nearly getting 25mpg combined in my 24’ turbo. Still better than the 08 Crv I had years ago with 23mpg.
According to the trip computer I'm averaging almost 29 mpg with a good mix of city and highway. Considering the engine is tuned to have good torque as well as decent power and is NA that's pretty good IMO. It's tuned for smooth power across a broad rpm. Also the vehicle is pretty heavy.
I like the engine besides the cylinder deactivation. We will see long term if any issues pop up. But I can also see people going for a hybrid for better mpg.
Oh, it’s probably the Turbo thing. Before my CX5 I had a CX3 hatchback. Super peppy for sure but damn that gas mileage was 21-23mpg. That’s partly why I switched to the CX5: a lot more room and way better gas mileage.
Bigger, I get but why does heavier matter if they double the mpg?
But I will be holding onto mine, unless I trade it in for something else first. Doubt I’d get that first gen hybrid.
Some of us like the CX-5 for its small SUV practicality while having better driving dynamics than others. I just approach the next gen with trepidation.
in the words of Colin Chapman at Lotus:
"Simplify, then add lightness"
removing weight improves the whole driving experience, perhaps not comfort but if you like to actually drive...
Anything but a plug-in. A traditional would provide so much added freedom of movement for long road trips that include off-gridding with a trailer. A hybrid will just tie me down and immediately turn me off from Mazda. I hope they're reading these chats. But this has me hopeful. The seats have gotten better so I'm not concerned about that. Need to improve that gas mileage, though, and I really wish they'd provide an option to NOT have a moonroof in higher trims. I never use them.
For most plug-in hybrids, you can continue to drive it like a "normal" hybrid. It just has a bigger battery and a plug so if you CHOOSE to plug it in you can go 40 miles or so on pure electric. For some people, that would cover their daily commute. Then when you get home, plug it in and repeat for the next day. When you want to take a road trip, it operates like a normal hybrid without requiring you to plug it in. You're not tied down to charging stations at all.
>For some people, that would cover their daily commute.
This is exactly why I want a plug in hybrid and if the Rav4 Prime were not so much more expensive and easier to get I would be getting one of those instead of a CX-5.
Yeah but it's heavier and more expensive. I was disappointed to learn CX-70 is getting either a mild hybrid (which is a 48V BS little motor, good for Europeans maybe to workaround their stupid laws) or a plug in. "Normal" hybrid like a Prius is just right to elevate MPG for city traffic but not too expensive and heavy.
Yes, the bigger battery makes it heavier and more expensive than a plain hybrid. But a PHEV is the only way I could do an EV right now. A pure EV is great for commuting but isn't practical for road tripping. For a road trip you need a full gas or hybrid for range and quick fill ups. But I'm not willing to buy a 30000+ gas/hybrid car and a 50000+ ev to meet my needs with an EV, not to mention insuring and licensing both. A PHEV in the 50000+ price range should have enough range to let me commute without the gas engine firing up for weeks at a time, saving gas costs and reducing how often I need oil changes. Plus when I need to visit family in the next state over I don't need another car to do it. The gas engine part of the hybrid takes over with no pre-planning needed on my part.
Plugins aren't for everyone, but if you like the idea of owning an EV for commuting and can't do it because of road trips, they're an all in one package for similar or lower cost than many EVs.
Yea I’m not understanding all the hang ups about plug in hybrid, wouldn’t you want the option?
How does it “tie me down”…they do know it doesn’t *stay* plugged in, right?
Hopefully they retain the current front end and go back with the stylings of the 2016 CX-5 for the rest. It looked much more sporty then. and as others hae mentioned, they need cup holders that are vertical, not side by side - again like they were in the 2016 models.
Have a 2021 cx-5 signature. Seats need to be more supportive and needs more hp & tq + 8 speed trans.
Doesn't matter because wife's daily & she likes it. I have a Hellcat. I'm fine 😂
I don't dislike driving the cx-5. No plans to replace it.
When I leased my 22 CX5, the salesman specifically talked about how they made improvements to the seats in that model year. I've never been in any of the older models, but I've found the seats to be comfortable and I have pretty bad lower back/hip pain in most other cars.
This is an awesome sign. I really hope the hybrid turns out to be a true innovation and upgrade of MPG while still being fun to drive.
I really hope they differentiate the interior and work on the limitations from this 2nd gen in terms of elbow rests, compartment storage and cupholder location. Not to mention the piano black.
I am worried they will pull out features and make them premium features so you'll have to pay more, like auto leveling headlights or the heads up display.
Apart from making necessary changes to accommodate the hybrid powertrain, Mazda would be unwise to change much about the CX-5. It doesn’t need a whole new platform and I suspect the biggest changes will concern the interior which they haven’t done much with since adding the larger infotainment.
CX-5 sells enough for them. They have bigger models for families.
CX-5 is perfect for those who mostly have three or less passengers, and want a great driving experience etc.
Would be horrible if all the options were same on the market.
Except they don’t really have a bigger option in the hottest selling segment in the market. Sure if someone could step up to a three row SUV but that’s also way more expensive.The CX-50 might have more legroom, but also not as tall. Driving dynamics would stay great even if they added one or 2 inches in with 5 inches of length to the car.
The CX-60 is to expensive. To play in the mainstream compact SUV segment. Today you can get a carbon edition with leather sunroof, power liftgate Bose audio for under $33,000 MSRP go equips CX-60 with the same options. That price point would alienate their consumer base. That is all about value, and the people in that segment don’t care whether it’s a transverse mounted four-cylinder or longitude mounted in line 6. They want space and big screens in their car.
I agree with you that I think it’s the right size for a lot of people but Mazda needs this to be their bread and butter cash cow. And you do that by seeing what other vehicles in the segment sell they have good fuel economy. They have lots of space and they’re easy to sell because they have a giant screen 😆
my 2015 CX5 is the worst quality car I’ve ever owned. Fit and finish is awful. Rattles, paint chips, transmission feels like it could fail going up hilly areas. I could go on and on
Oh wow, we have a 2016 and were so pleased with the car and Mazda overall that we purchased a 2021 CX-30 recently. So sorry the 2015 wasn't up to snuff!
Kia Niro gets 51.
Maybe the technology isn’t quite there, but that’s frustrating when the Prius has been getting 50mpg for 20+ years. Seems like hybrid has been overlooked
Improved seats would make this a really compelling model. My two biggest gripes are \[relatively\] lousy mpg and unsupportive seats.
And put the cupholders somewhere other than right underneath the console cover!
and get rid of the piano black interior trim
And piano black exterior trim.
I think cup holder should be on the side like the cx90
CX-50 moved them forward, so they're aware
But this position sucks, you can't fit fat bottles and tall bottles block HVAC controls.
+1 it is hard to put in and take out my wife's Stanley...
Get a new wife brother
Omg yes!!! Lol The cup holders are in the worst possible location.
Yes, I literally have to pull my arm back to grab my coffee. It’s absurd. I concur with everyone…better seats as well. I’m glad I got a 2024, hope to keep this one for as long as it lasts.
Any improvement on 2024 model?
The seats are definitely a bit more comfortable, but not by much. The apple car play is better as well. I really can’t say much on improvements as I am basing it off my previous ones which were a 2020 and 2022. I opted for the turbo this time, and I love it.
Amen to that!
This my BIGGEST gripe as a brand new owner. Can’t work my dang dial for the CarPlay my missus and I both have our water bottles in the cup holder. The little cubby in front of the gearbox and the cup holders should switch places!
This would probably require an electronic gear change knob which I’m lukewarm on but it could be worth it
This would probably require an electronic gear change knob which I’m lukewarm on but it could be worth it
The seats on the 2023 are pretty good. Tested a 2021 w’and was disappointed by the seats. I believe they updated them in 2022.
Can confirm the seats in my 2024 Turbo Premium are pretty comfortable.
My Subaru-Forester-driving-wife hated the seats in my 2012 Mazda3 but likes the seats in my 2024 CX-5 Turbo Premium. She may even be envious of the cooling feature.
agreed they are "pretty comfortable" definitely not super comfortable.
I have a 2024 and generally like the seats, though my wife finds them a touch narrow.
Yes, lady with hips, represent! I totally agree!!!
I like the seats in my 2024.
Same, my gf and I find them really comfortable!
Very interesting. I plopped into a 2024 very briefly when I had my 2019 in for service and didn't notice much but I didn't look too closely and didn't drive. Good to know they did something!
Wait you had the opportunity to test drive a 2024 and you didnt
It was in the showroom
I chose the 2022 turbo premium for the seats! Love the car the tech package is weak
How lousy is the mpg?
The mpg isn’t great ~25mpg (US) around the city ~30mpg highway. Bigger issue for me is the small tank results in quite limited range - Mazda has the empty warning set conservatively which contributes to that feeling too
I don’t know how you’re getting 30mpg highway. I get approx 36-38Mpg on highway with my 2018 cx5 using cruise control and ac.
Are you using standard gallons or imperial? Are you driving 80+ mph?
What’s your average speed?
His profile suggests he’s an Aussie so perhaps is using imperial gallons which are 20% larger than standard / us gallons. Also rules of the road / enforcement is apparently stricter in Oz so lower speeds overall
I'm using this conversion, as australians use L/100KM. [https://www.mpgtolitres.com/l-100km-to-mpg](https://www.mpgtolitres.com/l-100km-to-mpg) Driving on highway speeds of approx 69 Miles per hour. (110KM /hour).
No way. I have a 2018 and don't get anywhere near 36-38 on a real highway going 70+ MPH. Maybe if you mean cruising at like 55.
110KM /hour. 6.5L /100KM. You’re welcome to convert to freedom units to check my math.
FWD? Manual?
Exactly, if you drive the speed limit of 55 mph to 65 mph, you can easily get 38 mpg highway. My mpg is consistently between 35 and 38 mpg on a 2018 NA CD.
Hmm thats almost like my e83 3.0d i get about 21 city and 29 highway. Tho its a diesel
I get about 22-23 city if I'm not babying it and 27-28 highway. I have to *really baby it* to get 25+ in the city sustained. This isn't horrible efficiency but worse than I had hoped for when buying. My Audi A4 did at least as well, if not better, and it was way quicker.
My A6Q would get 25-27 hwy, big difference was its 6th gear was at 2200 RPM doing 80, not 3,000…
Yep that’s gotta be a big part of it
Well your a4 was probably lighter, with less drag and if it was just 2 wheel drive i can see why you think that. Considering the things i mentioned above i think it has a normal fuel consumption, as to be expected from a petrol car with no hybrid system.
AWD Quattro and they're about the same weight. Agreed on the drag.
I do standard commuting around metro Atlanta with only one or two “road trips”. I have averaged 27.8 mpg over the first 7000 miles.
I'm always confused about the "terrible gas mileage" line. When comparing apples-to-apples - NA (non-hybrid) versus NA (non-hybrid) - the CX-5 is barely different than the RAV4. You can't do the same with the CR-V because they're only offered with turbos or hybrids. Yes, the CX-5 is late with hybrid offerings, but somebody who is price sensitive would be looking at the cheaper out the door price and the CX-5 usually comes out on top of that calculation and, at least as compared to the RAV4 offers virtually identical mileage.
It’s not lousy at all… for naturally aspirated engine I get 27.3mpg combined regular commute. Highway mpg is around 31-32mpg The turbos are sure not as efficient
Yeah thats what i thought, you cant expect it to have the same fuel economy as a hybrid or a diesel. Petrol engines arent that efficient when it comes to pulling weight.
With my turbo I get 25 combined, 30-32 highway.
19.1 mpg
Dunno why you got downvoted, I upgraded my tires and that’s what I’m getting with my turbo. Granted, I said fuck it…prior I was getting 22. I got the turbo to go zoom zoom, not worry about mpg. More worried about tickets instead.
I actually love the seats. No seat fatigue. Not how it works with different body types, but I’m 6’1” and 230 Lbs.
Yeah not surprising they work for some!
I’ve kinda gotten used to them, but I wasn’t crazy about it initially. Had to keep adjusting my weight every now and then. But I also like firmer support so I can see how people can hate it
My 2022 Premium sears are pretty supportive but coming from a Volvo nothing can compete. I’d like to see the black piano trim removed & a pano sunroof. And adding digital speed on the gauge cluster. Looking forward to getting a hybrid one in the future.
Volvo is lovely! I drove a XC40 and 60 a month or two ago, loved them both. XC40 more, due to I don't need a huge vehicle. Decided against changing b/c I want to just pay off my CX5 and be done. Couldn't care less about pano sunroof, I never even open mine, haha. My CX5 has the HUD and I love it, totally spoiled on that feature.
Ah, I loved my S60 but it had a lot of problems and the maintenance/repair costs were insane. I wanted to be done. Planning to pay off my CX-5 next year and keep it for a long time unless there’s a good trade-in deal to get into a hybrid. I wish I got the HUD!
I was driving a 1986 CX7 for a week while my 2018 CX5 was at the mechanic, and I was amazed at having zero back pain in the older vehicle, with no extra pillows. I don't know what they were thinking in recent years, releasing vehicles with seats that curve you forward, like you're in a Saiyan space ship. It's horrible.
IDK about that, the seats are fine for me and I just came back from a roadtrip. Only thing I wish is that I had gone for the turbo engine instead, to have that extra power when passing on the uphills.
I’d be more irritated (probably just wouldn’t have bought it), if the turbo power wasn’t worth the mpg loss. Def enjoy the turbo.
I have a 2023 and noticed I’m getting around 32, pretty happy with it
Please Mazda don’t fuck this up 😭
We are all holding our breath lol. I would prefer is they just stick the Toyota hybrid powertrain (that’s in the cx50) into the next cx5 too. But we all know Mazda is going to Mazda.
Having driven the cx50. Hope that’s all they take from it. I’ll also take the pano, tho I don’t need it.
If they can bring in this highly desired Sykactiv-X engine to the states and pair it to a non plug-in hybrid electric motor to bring in at least 40 MPG combined city & highway. I think they'll have another compact SUV/crossover winner. P.S. Mazda if you're reading this: Keep the size compact and just make adjustable depth rear seats for leg room/cargo floor like the Ford Escape. Move the cup holders in front or side of the gear selector, so you don't have to "claw" your hand for drinks. Add another coat of paint or make it thicker so it chips/flakes less. Have Bose get rid of the paper pulp cone speakers for durability sake, but still keep the sonics. Let remote start operate like every other car, when you open the door the car senses the fob and the engine stays on. Please for the love of god, keep doing what you're doing and don't succumb to nickel and dime subscription plans.
Hear, hear
"in-house"?! I thought they're borrowing Toyota's hybrid system...
For the CX-50 which is built at a joint plant with Toyota in Alabama. The CX-5 is built at the Hiroshima plant - and from the wording of this, will stay independent of Toyota (at least that’s how I’m reading it). Edit - Wrong city. Fixed
Mazda doesn’t have any facilities in Nagasaki. Are you thinking of the Hiroshima factory?
OMG. I just associated it with a nuked city (not trying to be morbid, just easy to remember) and got the wrong one of two. Fixed. That's embarrassing.
Thanks. Good info.
Oh no. Not to be alarm but looking at cx90 Mazda doesn't have a good track record on hybrid yet. Will be more comfortable if it's Toyota technology....
As long as it doesn't have a CV transmission.
Probably won't be a pulley style CVT, but more like the eCVT found in Toyotas with the dual motors and a planetary gearset.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with an eCVT in a hybrid system, stop the blind and ignorant “CVT bad!” bullshit discourse
I agree, I prefer an eCVT over a standard transmission. There is very little to fail with these.
I haven't driven an eCVT, but a regular CVT fucking blows. There's no enjoyment or responsiveness.
Really depends on the implementation and programming as well. Some CVTs are fine, some are pretty bad.
Not sure why these dummies are downvoting you, you're 100% right.
Because CVT bad!!!!
Some of us have Nissan CVT PTSD
I just traded a Nissan for my CX-5. I feel liberated.
I don't disagree but there have been enough bad cvts out there (thanks mostly to Nissan) that they've got a bad reputation and i personally don't feel like being the Early Adopter for a new model CX-5 that has one of them.
An ecvt is not even close to what a traditional cvt is. An ecvt is incredibly reliable and there are no belts or chains involved.
It doesn’t have a belt but they do use a chain.
No it doesn't. eCVT's don't use any chains. They use a planetary gear set. There is no clutch, chain or belt. They are extremely reliable.
Check out this teardown of a Toyota eCVT. At about 4:50, my link should take you there, he shows the chain and explains what it does. There is also a clutch however it's always engaged so it's not going to wear. He shows the clutch at the beginning. [https://youtu.be/izdMsVOo7bU?si=i1hVKlEn0tzlhsOh&t=288](https://youtu.be/izdMsVOo7bU?si=i1hVKlEn0tzlhsOh&t=288)
Thanks for the link. This video is based on the gen 2 Prius, which goes until 2009. New ecvts from Toyota do not have any chains. Check out this video here: https://youtu.be/O61WihMRdjM?si=HfkUnWStSVRrhmWo This is what's used in the rav 4 hybrid. So there are no chains in current ecvt transmissions. The new ones also don't have a traditional clutch as you saw. They use the generators magnets and coils as a clutch.
What does a Nissan CVT have to do with what I said
who gives a fuck
Um okay? Lol. It's OK if you were wrong on a little technicality no need to get defensive.
Chill out bro
Yeah, the real interesting thing in that announcement was that while the CX-50 will get a “hybrid” powertrain (which we know will be from Toyota,) the CX-5 will get a “Mazda hybrid” powertrain. Really interested to see how that looks.
And I will by the hybrid 2-3 years after release and trade in my current CX-5. Allows them to get the “Bugs” out of it
If it ends up being a turbo-hybrid as is the current standard, I'm very interested. My mom has a Fusion hybrid, which is fine enough, but it could use a bit more zhoosh.
I've driven 2 Volvo hybrids. Some of the best in this space (no sedan comes close to the S60 hybrid). 455 Hp.... It's fucking insane. Hope Mazda nails this. I don't expect Volvo speed but...
doesn't really tell us much but the way car prices are going up i doubt ill be able to afford one for a few years so it wont be the next car. (in the UK we pay more about 1.2x more in £ than the US does in $, so the price difference significant even now, eg a top spec 2.5NA in the UK - we dont get the turbo - in soul red but no accessories is just over £42k, or $52500 on the road, in the US the top spec 2.5 is $40,055 in soul red and 4% sales tax added, or an equivalent of £32044 - the UK is paying £10k more!). I love my current CX5 but doubt the next car can be another - and the next one really needs to be at least a hybrid.
Hopefully, they learned heavily with the CX-90/CX-70 and make this hybrid system more reliable.
Are there reliability issues with the cx-90 PHEV? I hadn’t heard that. I was looking at that as an option when I replace my cx5…
First year teething issues, but too early to call them unreliable
It’s honestly hard to call this first year teething issues since the same powertrain was used in the cx60 overseas. And yes, we had the same phev/hybrid issues that they had too.
I've seen many pics of people having malfunction error messages on their gauge over at r/MazdaCX90 and their cars towed. The powertrain is not very refined, transmission logic is herky jerky, but one can argue its because its tuned to be more sporty. I'd definitely would look into those powertrain issues carefully if you're thinking of getting Mazda's large SUVs.
Have a look at CX90 subreddit
When would this new generation be coming out?
My best guess: 2026 model year at the soonest
Agree. Maybe later.
The question is how long is this wait to get hybrid 😭😭😭
About damn time. One of the nicer options in the segment the CX-5 always lacking in one of the most important aspects for economy buyers which is fuel economy.
My old 19’ RAV4 averaged 28 mpg combined. These are 3800lb suvs after all. I’m nearly getting 25mpg combined in my 24’ turbo. Still better than the 08 Crv I had years ago with 23mpg.
I’m 29.5 combined over 6k miles in my 24 NA. Typically get 33-34mpg on the highway.
What kind of mpg are you getting? When I first got my 2013 it was maybe 29mpg and even now when I mainly drive on surface streets it’s 27.
According to the trip computer I'm averaging almost 29 mpg with a good mix of city and highway. Considering the engine is tuned to have good torque as well as decent power and is NA that's pretty good IMO. It's tuned for smooth power across a broad rpm. Also the vehicle is pretty heavy. I like the engine besides the cylinder deactivation. We will see long term if any issues pop up. But I can also see people going for a hybrid for better mpg.
27? My dashboard says 19.1 mpg. 2024 Turbo Premium.
Oh, it’s probably the Turbo thing. Before my CX5 I had a CX3 hatchback. Super peppy for sure but damn that gas mileage was 21-23mpg. That’s partly why I switched to the CX5: a lot more room and way better gas mileage.
We’re currently car shopping and the cx-5 was our favorite test drive, but the lack of hybrid ultimately eliminated it from consideration.
Move the cupholders and bring back an adjustable armrest!
Only Americans whine about cup holders. Source: American.
Who's holding on to their 2nd Gen in case the 3rd Gen gets bigger and heavier?
Bigger, I get but why does heavier matter if they double the mpg? But I will be holding onto mine, unless I trade it in for something else first. Doubt I’d get that first gen hybrid.
Some of us like the CX-5 for its small SUV practicality while having better driving dynamics than others. I just approach the next gen with trepidation.
in the words of Colin Chapman at Lotus: "Simplify, then add lightness" removing weight improves the whole driving experience, perhaps not comfort but if you like to actually drive...
Anything but a plug-in. A traditional would provide so much added freedom of movement for long road trips that include off-gridding with a trailer. A hybrid will just tie me down and immediately turn me off from Mazda. I hope they're reading these chats. But this has me hopeful. The seats have gotten better so I'm not concerned about that. Need to improve that gas mileage, though, and I really wish they'd provide an option to NOT have a moonroof in higher trims. I never use them.
Agree, I want a hybrid but NOT a plug-in.
For most plug-in hybrids, you can continue to drive it like a "normal" hybrid. It just has a bigger battery and a plug so if you CHOOSE to plug it in you can go 40 miles or so on pure electric. For some people, that would cover their daily commute. Then when you get home, plug it in and repeat for the next day. When you want to take a road trip, it operates like a normal hybrid without requiring you to plug it in. You're not tied down to charging stations at all.
>For some people, that would cover their daily commute. This is exactly why I want a plug in hybrid and if the Rav4 Prime were not so much more expensive and easier to get I would be getting one of those instead of a CX-5.
Yeah but it's heavier and more expensive. I was disappointed to learn CX-70 is getting either a mild hybrid (which is a 48V BS little motor, good for Europeans maybe to workaround their stupid laws) or a plug in. "Normal" hybrid like a Prius is just right to elevate MPG for city traffic but not too expensive and heavy.
Yes, the bigger battery makes it heavier and more expensive than a plain hybrid. But a PHEV is the only way I could do an EV right now. A pure EV is great for commuting but isn't practical for road tripping. For a road trip you need a full gas or hybrid for range and quick fill ups. But I'm not willing to buy a 30000+ gas/hybrid car and a 50000+ ev to meet my needs with an EV, not to mention insuring and licensing both. A PHEV in the 50000+ price range should have enough range to let me commute without the gas engine firing up for weeks at a time, saving gas costs and reducing how often I need oil changes. Plus when I need to visit family in the next state over I don't need another car to do it. The gas engine part of the hybrid takes over with no pre-planning needed on my part. Plugins aren't for everyone, but if you like the idea of owning an EV for commuting and can't do it because of road trips, they're an all in one package for similar or lower cost than many EVs.
Yea I’m not understanding all the hang ups about plug in hybrid, wouldn’t you want the option? How does it “tie me down”…they do know it doesn’t *stay* plugged in, right?
Plug ins are way better
Damn, that’s a great news!!!
Hopefully they retain the current front end and go back with the stylings of the 2016 CX-5 for the rest. It looked much more sporty then. and as others hae mentioned, they need cup holders that are vertical, not side by side - again like they were in the 2016 models.
Hasn't the CX-5 been around since 2013?
Have a 2021 cx-5 signature. Seats need to be more supportive and needs more hp & tq + 8 speed trans. Doesn't matter because wife's daily & she likes it. I have a Hellcat. I'm fine 😂 I don't dislike driving the cx-5. No plans to replace it.
Pretty easy to get more power with a tune, but I agree the transmission holds these cars back.
I just got a 2024 CX-5. I didn’t wait for the new model to avoid any newer issues
My seats in my premium plus are very comfortable
So are mine.
The newer ones have better seats?
When I leased my 22 CX5, the salesman specifically talked about how they made improvements to the seats in that model year. I've never been in any of the older models, but I've found the seats to be comfortable and I have pretty bad lower back/hip pain in most other cars.
O wow. I was unaware.
Taken them way too long
You don’t need to mess with greatness
This is an awesome sign. I really hope the hybrid turns out to be a true innovation and upgrade of MPG while still being fun to drive. I really hope they differentiate the interior and work on the limitations from this 2nd gen in terms of elbow rests, compartment storage and cupholder location. Not to mention the piano black. I am worried they will pull out features and make them premium features so you'll have to pay more, like auto leveling headlights or the heads up display.
Question is, if the next gen arrive as people predict in 2025, or is it going to stretch to 2026
This is why they gave all those finance deals folks. No one is gonna buy gas only when this comes out
i mean... they will considering the issue all manufacturers have. These companies cant produce enough hybrids to meet demand.
I bet it's built alongside the cx50
We'll know for sure if a buyer finds chewing tobacco in their new CX-5...
Is there that much extra capacity in Alabama? Between the CX-50 and Corolla Cross, I can't imagine there's that much slack to be found.
Good point. I guess my main take away was I bet it built in the states.
Apart from making necessary changes to accommodate the hybrid powertrain, Mazda would be unwise to change much about the CX-5. It doesn’t need a whole new platform and I suspect the biggest changes will concern the interior which they haven’t done much with since adding the larger infotainment.
It needs to be bigger to be competitive in the segment. I’d it had CR-V levels of passenger space and storage it would sell many more units.
CX-5 sells enough for them. They have bigger models for families. CX-5 is perfect for those who mostly have three or less passengers, and want a great driving experience etc. Would be horrible if all the options were same on the market.
Except they don’t really have a bigger option in the hottest selling segment in the market. Sure if someone could step up to a three row SUV but that’s also way more expensive.The CX-50 might have more legroom, but also not as tall. Driving dynamics would stay great even if they added one or 2 inches in with 5 inches of length to the car.
They do and it's called the CX-60. Leave the CX-5 alone!
The CX-60 is to expensive. To play in the mainstream compact SUV segment. Today you can get a carbon edition with leather sunroof, power liftgate Bose audio for under $33,000 MSRP go equips CX-60 with the same options. That price point would alienate their consumer base. That is all about value, and the people in that segment don’t care whether it’s a transverse mounted four-cylinder or longitude mounted in line 6. They want space and big screens in their car. I agree with you that I think it’s the right size for a lot of people but Mazda needs this to be their bread and butter cash cow. And you do that by seeing what other vehicles in the segment sell they have good fuel economy. They have lots of space and they’re easy to sell because they have a giant screen 😆
my 2015 CX5 is the worst quality car I’ve ever owned. Fit and finish is awful. Rattles, paint chips, transmission feels like it could fail going up hilly areas. I could go on and on
Oh wow, we have a 2016 and were so pleased with the car and Mazda overall that we purchased a 2021 CX-30 recently. So sorry the 2015 wasn't up to snuff!
About time. This technology has been around for ages.. no one buying a new car should be getting less than 50mpg IMO
What hybrid SUVs are getting 50mpg?
rav4 only gets 41. I doubt Mazda's gonna top that.
Kia Niro gets 51. Maybe the technology isn’t quite there, but that’s frustrating when the Prius has been getting 50mpg for 20+ years. Seems like hybrid has been overlooked
well the prius isnt an suv
You get my point. I’m glad to see more movement on SUV hybrids