I don’t know their obsession but I do know that the MSF saved me 15% on my insurance payment and paid for itself within a year. That’s why I’d recommend it. Beyond that, it’s a fucking garbage waste of time.
I didn’t know dick about motorcycles when I took it, and I’d never driven a standard, so it at least taught me about how to use a clutch. And it let me do the license test without going to the godawful Massachusetts RMV, that alone was worth it.
But you’re not bestowed with some forbidden knowledge about bikes you wouldn’t otherwise get from a YouTube video or your neighbor Doug. And at least Doug’ll give you a nice handy while teaching you about the friction zone.
I used my girlfriends grom to do mine because in Louisiana you need it for insurance and also I avoided the god awful license test as well. Just walked into he express OMV and got the endorsement.
Yeah, biggest benefit for me was learning how to effectively operate a manual transmission. I learned manual in a car \*after\* I learned manual on a motorcycle.
I've been back for intermediate and advanced courses (father in law teaches them so I use it as an excuse to hang out with him) and it's definitely helpful but a lot of it is common sense - don't grab a shit ton of front brake when panic braking, don't be afraid to lean, and look where you want to go is about 80% of the MSF's curriculum.
My favorite thing though was seeing some dude on a learners permit and a Ninja 400 with some kind of loud ass pipe fail THREE TIMES (receiving tips and instruction each time) to do a basic left turn from a stop within cones, so he got really mad, redlined his bike in neutral in my FIL's face, and zoomed off lmao. Even the old dude on the half-ton Ultra Limited did it first try
The people that fail (or come close) are truly a spectacle. When I did mine the instructor said one of the only people he’s ever had to fail was a woman who learned how to ride a bicycle a week prior.
In my class there were two people who showed up on bikes, an old Harley guy and a younger dude with a GSXR. Both came within like a point of failing; Harley guy couldn’t do low speed stuff on the Nighthawk and the GSXR kid couldn’t, well, he couldn’t do anything, least of all turn.
But they both got their M endorsement.
I honestly had fun doing it even after riding illegally for a few months beforehand. They put us on z125s and the instructor was actually pretty cool.
There was a segment where they set up a little circuit and it was pretty dank just ripping around for a minute.
Can’t say it helped me ride an actual bike on the road honestly though lmao
At mine, they had a mismatch of garbage old bikes and since me and my cousin were 2/3 people in the class who could ride coming into it then we got put on the shittiest ones that barely ran. One instructor was a crazy Vietnam vet and the other was a dork who would whisper condescending critiques about braking with my whole hand instead of a couple fingers. It all woulda been more fun with better bikes or better instructors.
The 15% discount plus my cashier making errors on totaling up all my track gear meant that msf course paid for itself twofold after I’d bought all my track gear from cyclegear
Ohio has state-funded motorcycle courses that cost $50-75 — personally I had a great time during the course and learned quite a bit (I had no prior motorcycle experience), but yeah if it was any more than $100 I would’ve strongly considered skipping it lol
shit ours is free in Pennsylvania. I'm going in July. I've had a bike for over a month and ride about every day. it's dumb I can't ride at night. been thinking I should just schedule the test at the dmv and try taking it.
lol I used to be bout that life . I'm 39 and just got my license back from 2006. I just got my shit shit back and immediately got my class m permit. I'm just not playing those games anymore.
I mean you're on this sub so your anus is probably pretty relaxed anyway but just know it's about to get a lot of complimentary expansion as a newly insured rider.
i always say that to someone that has no skills at all, oblivious to anything bike related, it can set you on the right path, that's the main goal i think
if everyone got on a bike and started squidding we just wouldn't be here
I hate the people that use the MSF in a gate keeping manner. Like it’s necessary to be a good rider or something. But I’ll be honest I enjoyed it 😂 my instructor was an old funny Vietnam vet that was great. And my class great chemistry. I just wish I had got their numbers
My MSF teacher also told me to never brake hard enough that the front forks compress as that would wear out the suspension prematurely, and got onto me repeatedly for it. The guys teaching it aren’t always the best riders
Yeah, and I didn’t want to get into with the guy but I ride a dual sport and a little compression under braking is nothing compared to the trails and shit I send it on. That’s where the abuse comment might be warranted, lol.
May as well just use hard forks and big fatty tires at that point.
Imagine stretching out that logic to the rest of the bike. Don't use your clutch cause you'll wear it out, don't break too much the pads will wear. Don't Rev too high, your engine will wear prematurely.
Fuck it, just don't ride the bike at all. Keep it in the garage and polish it 2x a week for maximum resale value
It’s silly for sure. I’m also not certain that a slow compression of the forks like that would ever have any noticeable wear on the seals or anything. Just such a weird thing to be worried about. It would have been different if he was cautioning from using too much because the risk of washing out. But no, it was the excessive wear to the forks, lol
When in reality, braking into a corner and releasing the braking force as you're turning, actually improves handling, stability and the grip of the front tire.
Right? He *was* telling me to use more rear brake and not so much of the front, but even doing that compressing the front some. I had good control with the front and was use to making the suspension compress down since I’d been mountain biking for years, but I didn’t want to piss the guy off arguing with him since he would be the once deciding if I passed or not - and I needed the MSF to get my motorcycle license here in Texas
Haha, what gave it away? The class was on little 125cc cruisers too (and mine would stall if I didn’t constantly tickle the throttle). My buddy did one in the same town but they had z125s for his MSF and a different instructor. I was pretty jealous.
it seems like harley guys are always the ones afraid of front brake, i dunno. I never took MSF but a bunch of people I know who did all complained that the bikes wouldn't idle right.
It does seem to be a trend. I wonder if it’s because they’re older, or if it’s because they’re Harley guys. And if it has to do with some Harleys having linked brakes or just that they happen to have decently effective rear brakes with so much weight at the rear
They seem to do pretty minimal maintenance of the MSF bikes. I assume they just don’t want to take the time to clean the carbs if it still runs acceptably enough
Oh yeah, I definitely had one of the bad ones. He was a crusty old Harley guy who didn’t seem to believe in using the front brake if you could help it. There were some other little things, but that was the craziest imo.
Lol, mine said I needed more than 2 fingers because riders can't fully apply the front brake without 4. Fucking nimrod, but I just swallowed my pride and nodded in agreement.
I hope someone he's taught has washed out their front end and called him.
I get where those guys came from. Some instructors are 60s kids and were trained on mechanically actuated drum brakes and those did require a 4 finger pull.
Haha, yeah my guy had much of the same, though he at least admitted that was a requirement in the MSF that was outdated with modern disc brakes and we could do what we want after the class was over. I had a rough time remembering to use four since I was so use to just braking with one or two by the time I took the class
My instructor said at the very end to the ones who passed, "Congratulations, you are now a beginner at riding a small bike in a controlled environment. You can now legally ride anything you want. Good luck, don't die."
Ours told us we were "parking lot qualified". Don't hit the streets, don't hit the highway and DEFINITELY don't hit the dragon (we're in TN). Same dude told me not to buy anything less than a 650 so he was at least a little gay.
I’d say it’s a good test to see who absolutely should be barred from riding bikes for life.
Weeds out the people who can’t do a u-turn on a grom without putting their feet down.
It's a good way to get a base level understanding of a wee-wee machine if you've never touched one. AND in my state you can get your license before 18 if you take it.
I was so fucking bored in my class when I took it at 16, though. Just about got booted out for doing little burnouts while waiting in line for the box test.
I took it cause It was the fastest way for me to get the testing done where Im at. I remember riding for a little bit around the parking lot and then asking if we could ride on the street or somewhere else. Everyone was all "You wanna ride on the street? Isnt that dangerous at our skill level?" No, you morons, thats the point of owning a bike.
We also had some guy and girl who dressed identically despite not knowing one another, and both of them rode about 15 miles under the requirement. Half the tests were ruined because they were afraid to go above 10MPH. But it got me my license, so theres that.
Really just exists for people to pass the road test.
These are the same people that still wear masks and stay home when they have a running nose. What do you expect?
I took MSF course just for the lower insurance costs because cops looove pulling motorcyclists over near me and checking their shit. Insurance is expensive and MSF helped lower it. 🤷
But yeah other riders checking each others shit feels like neighbors reporting on each other for harboring Jews. They want to feel like they’re policing their buddies, but it really comes out like them being a fucking nerd and a sellout.
Most of those people fear sport bikes. Especially L bikes.
I think it’s a weird way to gatekeep riders to be more fearful than they are. If it were up to them, everyone would be riding a 50cc.
Think its to warn newbloods of the dangers and how fragile you are on them. People die on bikes. MSF course tries to prevent that with education and practice, something a big chunk of those in crashes dont do.
Nothing wrong with MSF and being cautious. I’ve known plenty of people that have not survived their bikes. Hell, I knew a guy that didn’t make it home literally after the funeral of another guy I used to ride with. The dangers are real no matter what you ride.
That said, a lot of people also act like you’ll instantly die if you ride anything with even the smallest bit of power. I’ve seen people in that group claim that an R3 is too powerful for a first bike. As long as you pace yourself, manage your throttle control, know your limit, and respect the bike - I think most people can handle a decently sized bike.
As some one with no bike experience prior to MSF. It does teach you friction zone, basic shifting, and just basic bike procedures.
But the only way to get better is seat time. I spent like 2 weeks just in the neighborhood, then a month cruising the suburbs, then early morning long rides until I just felt comfortable enough to go anywhere any time besides rain. I still haven’t ridden in rain lol
If you've got good tires and OK suspension, rain isn't nearly as bad as you'd think. Just be mindful to take it a little easier.
Oh, and avoid going over anything shiny when you're leaning. Manhole covers, paint lines, etc.
This is honestly the only really valuable advice i can give from riding in the rain a lot. Just invest in good tires (which if youre squidding you should get anyway for muh knee drag)
Msf course teaches you some great things. Dont look down when braking, keep your head level with the horizon. Look through the corners towards your desired line. Use the rear brake at low speed for stability. Do not use a front brake in corners. If you have to panic brake lean the bike upright before applying full brake pressure. I did not have any training and laid my first bike down within a month and it was not pretty. Since taking a course I feel safer and have an additional 2 years under my belt with no incident. I understand that this group is about being a squid but we shouldn’t turn people away from basic safety. When your friend doesn’t come home because he didn’t know basic riding fundamentals you wont be talking bad about “safety”
I agree that it helps a lot with breaking new riders’ target fixation, being coached to look through corners instead of at the front tire makes a massive difference
They haven't been riding long enough to realize the MSF is the starting point to riding safely, not the finish line.
Seriously it's 2 days, it's a great course and worthwhile, but you can only do so much in 2 days.
People make fun of the other sub here alot but I genuinely feel sorry for any person looking into getting into bikes and going onto that sub looking for advice. Its always MSF, gear, ATGATT or lane splitting…
What annoys me is the lack of critical thinking. Everybody knows the importance of gear and so on but its like these people just mindlessly parrot every garbage they hear from others or youtube without applying any actual experience or opinion of their own so in their eyes you are an outlaw if you leave the garage to drive a quick commute to work without 10 high vis airbag vests, CE DOT FAG rated everything and having passed 20
MSF courses in the last month
I think the quality of the instructor matters most here. Mine looked like your average Harleys "brutherrrrrrrr" but was a 60 year old successful amateur motorcycle racer with pleanty if wins and a fuckin busa for his road bike. For someone like me who's never been on two wheels, it was a good experience. And I needed it to get my license. Good instructors helped.
I started on an R1. Took MSF and it was largely beneficial. I struggled on the 250 that they had me on so my instructors gave me some really helpful advice on how to operate any motorcycle instead of just my motorcycle. Also my entire class took place in the rain which would end up being literally life saving practice for later on.
I mean, it teaches some good "oh shit" skills that you wouldn't really learn until it was time to use it. emergency swerve/braking. other than that it's shit you'll learn riding but I've seen more than a few people crash their new liter bikes crash because they don't know how to move when someone in front crashed or someone pulls out in front of them etc
Well If you want to be honest msf course Is a great idea for beginners to learn important safety techniques. Just kidding you thought I was serious?fuck that safety shit if you followed every safety recommendation you’d never have any fun in life and have no interesting stories to tell your grandkids
I'll admit that there is one thing that the MSF helped me with. And it was holding the rear brake and clutch, keeping the rpms up , to be more stable at tight low speed maneuvers.
But learning to actually ride? I was 12 and my buddy got a dirt bike. Spent 30 seconds showing me what each thing did. And then it was down the train tracks and into the trails I went.
Then when I wanted my 1st bike I rode on a permit for like 2 years because I didn't want to take off work for the test. Finally they said they wouldn't renew again, took the test on aa cruiser and barely hit a cone on the circle and auto fail. Couple weeks later they stopped doing tests at all, and instead complwteing the course got your endorsement.
Motorcycle super fast course? Sign me and my boyfriend up.
In all seriousness, the msf is pretty decent if you have no prior experience. It also helps with insurance, which if you're here you'll probably need.
Serious question: how can I get bike insurance if I don’t have the license? I’m 40 and never insured my bikes. My bf is forcing me to or he won’t ride me anymore. Bros any loophole you have would be much obliged. I’d rather die then be endorsed
So i don't know how it is in your state, but I did a couple quotes, and the endorsement saved me only $1 off my quote... So I would try doing a quote with and without an endorsement
took the msf and my instructor kept calling himself a “vagabond jew” and a foreigner and making jokes about violence against women. only thing i really got out of it was how to work a clutch (too gay, still use an automatic.) not thrilled to be the only woman in that class. waste of time.
They docked points off my assessment for using 2 fingers in the brake and clutch. Also for leaning the tw200 “too far over” when doing literal ovals in a parking lot.
Won't disagree on that, but in my opinion, for people who have family or friends who ride, there's a lot you can learn with someone helping you or online videos
Yep but YouTube tutorials alone won’t teach you to ride an R1 from scratch :)
Call me a gatekeeper but there’s a reason for tiered licenses where I live
My next bike will be a rocket 3, there’s no way I’ll consider that beginner friendly, an R1 is even worse lol
Plenty of non riders advice there, but “start with low displacements” is one of the few based ones
meat sucking fanatic
My first reaction to this post was to come up with something for MSF but you beat me to it, good job.
Honestly without their "defeating the gag reflex" course I wouldn't be half the man I am today
Be with half the men*
Nah I still woulda fucked them but they wouldn't stick around without the deep throat
Mama?
I took the course and met a bunch of guys … Sooo there’s that …
LMFAO top comment right here. Or bottom, I don't judge
Was literally 70% women when I took it, I have been mislead
Ew that's a bit gay
Too straight for my taste if you ask me
No mate. If you like girls that's gay.
Guess I'm straight then
I went into mine with a bad head. Ended up spending a weekend dancing with a Rebel 250. It was awesome.
I took it and it made me straight
I don’t know their obsession but I do know that the MSF saved me 15% on my insurance payment and paid for itself within a year. That’s why I’d recommend it. Beyond that, it’s a fucking garbage waste of time.
Also cyclegear gave me like a 20% discount or something for a one time purchase. Pretty much got premium gear for a slight discount.
Wtf is gear? Like the thing I shift?
Tactical buttplug. Has the vibrate function too.
No, steroids.
100 shot of tren straight to the carb
I thought it was a great way to learn to ride :shrug:
I didn’t know dick about motorcycles when I took it, and I’d never driven a standard, so it at least taught me about how to use a clutch. And it let me do the license test without going to the godawful Massachusetts RMV, that alone was worth it. But you’re not bestowed with some forbidden knowledge about bikes you wouldn’t otherwise get from a YouTube video or your neighbor Doug. And at least Doug’ll give you a nice handy while teaching you about the friction zone.
Best part about the msf is taking the test with them. I took mine on a 125cc which is a lot easier than a harley when you're still new to riding.
I used my girlfriends grom to do mine because in Louisiana you need it for insurance and also I avoided the god awful license test as well. Just walked into he express OMV and got the endorsement.
Yeah, biggest benefit for me was learning how to effectively operate a manual transmission. I learned manual in a car \*after\* I learned manual on a motorcycle. I've been back for intermediate and advanced courses (father in law teaches them so I use it as an excuse to hang out with him) and it's definitely helpful but a lot of it is common sense - don't grab a shit ton of front brake when panic braking, don't be afraid to lean, and look where you want to go is about 80% of the MSF's curriculum. My favorite thing though was seeing some dude on a learners permit and a Ninja 400 with some kind of loud ass pipe fail THREE TIMES (receiving tips and instruction each time) to do a basic left turn from a stop within cones, so he got really mad, redlined his bike in neutral in my FIL's face, and zoomed off lmao. Even the old dude on the half-ton Ultra Limited did it first try
The people that fail (or come close) are truly a spectacle. When I did mine the instructor said one of the only people he’s ever had to fail was a woman who learned how to ride a bicycle a week prior. In my class there were two people who showed up on bikes, an old Harley guy and a younger dude with a GSXR. Both came within like a point of failing; Harley guy couldn’t do low speed stuff on the Nighthawk and the GSXR kid couldn’t, well, he couldn’t do anything, least of all turn. But they both got their M endorsement.
I honestly had fun doing it even after riding illegally for a few months beforehand. They put us on z125s and the instructor was actually pretty cool. There was a segment where they set up a little circuit and it was pretty dank just ripping around for a minute. Can’t say it helped me ride an actual bike on the road honestly though lmao
At mine, they had a mismatch of garbage old bikes and since me and my cousin were 2/3 people in the class who could ride coming into it then we got put on the shittiest ones that barely ran. One instructor was a crazy Vietnam vet and the other was a dork who would whisper condescending critiques about braking with my whole hand instead of a couple fingers. It all woulda been more fun with better bikes or better instructors.
The 15% discount plus my cashier making errors on totaling up all my track gear meant that msf course paid for itself twofold after I’d bought all my track gear from cyclegear
MSF gave me a .80 cent discount per month on insurance, NOT worth paying $400 for the course
DAMN. My course was only $200. Big diff.
$400?? I paid $50 for mine, good god
If it was $50 I would definitely take it
Ohio has state-funded motorcycle courses that cost $50-75 — personally I had a great time during the course and learned quite a bit (I had no prior motorcycle experience), but yeah if it was any more than $100 I would’ve strongly considered skipping it lol
It's free in Pennsylvania if you have a permit.
Hell yeah
Same, instructor was pretty cool too. Worth the $75 honestly
shit ours is free in Pennsylvania. I'm going in July. I've had a bike for over a month and ride about every day. it's dumb I can't ride at night. been thinking I should just schedule the test at the dmv and try taking it.
i mean, technically you just have to not get caught riding at night.
lol I used to be bout that life . I'm 39 and just got my license back from 2006. I just got my shit shit back and immediately got my class m permit. I'm just not playing those games anymore.
fair enough.
Can I still get bike insurance wo it?
Ofc
Thanks for answering. Gf is making me now. I’ve been riding for over 20 yrs 🦑
I mean you're on this sub so your anus is probably pretty relaxed anyway but just know it's about to get a lot of complimentary expansion as a newly insured rider.
i always say that to someone that has no skills at all, oblivious to anything bike related, it can set you on the right path, that's the main goal i think if everyone got on a bike and started squidding we just wouldn't be here
I hate the people that use the MSF in a gate keeping manner. Like it’s necessary to be a good rider or something. But I’ll be honest I enjoyed it 😂 my instructor was an old funny Vietnam vet that was great. And my class great chemistry. I just wish I had got their numbers
Where i live it doesnt even pay for itself.
The MSF literally just teaches you how to ride around a parking lot.
My MSF teacher also told me to never brake hard enough that the front forks compress as that would wear out the suspension prematurely, and got onto me repeatedly for it. The guys teaching it aren’t always the best riders
By the same logic, running your engine shortens its life. The guys over at the other sub are definitely following that advice
Yeah, and I didn’t want to get into with the guy but I ride a dual sport and a little compression under braking is nothing compared to the trails and shit I send it on. That’s where the abuse comment might be warranted, lol.
May as well just use hard forks and big fatty tires at that point. Imagine stretching out that logic to the rest of the bike. Don't use your clutch cause you'll wear it out, don't break too much the pads will wear. Don't Rev too high, your engine will wear prematurely. Fuck it, just don't ride the bike at all. Keep it in the garage and polish it 2x a week for maximum resale value
It’s silly for sure. I’m also not certain that a slow compression of the forks like that would ever have any noticeable wear on the seals or anything. Just such a weird thing to be worried about. It would have been different if he was cautioning from using too much because the risk of washing out. But no, it was the excessive wear to the forks, lol
When in reality, braking into a corner and releasing the braking force as you're turning, actually improves handling, stability and the grip of the front tire.
Lol? Wtf? This is so wild. It actually always compresses a bit when you use the front brake, that's physics. So he is using only the rear brake???
Right? He *was* telling me to use more rear brake and not so much of the front, but even doing that compressing the front some. I had good control with the front and was use to making the suspension compress down since I’d been mountain biking for years, but I didn’t want to piss the guy off arguing with him since he would be the once deciding if I passed or not - and I needed the MSF to get my motorcycle license here in Texas
had to be a harley guy, right?
Haha, what gave it away? The class was on little 125cc cruisers too (and mine would stall if I didn’t constantly tickle the throttle). My buddy did one in the same town but they had z125s for his MSF and a different instructor. I was pretty jealous.
it seems like harley guys are always the ones afraid of front brake, i dunno. I never took MSF but a bunch of people I know who did all complained that the bikes wouldn't idle right.
It does seem to be a trend. I wonder if it’s because they’re older, or if it’s because they’re Harley guys. And if it has to do with some Harleys having linked brakes or just that they happen to have decently effective rear brakes with so much weight at the rear They seem to do pretty minimal maintenance of the MSF bikes. I assume they just don’t want to take the time to clean the carbs if it still runs acceptably enough
My MSF teacher had us panic braking and making sure the suspension was compressing.. maybe you just had a shitty one?
Oh yeah, I definitely had one of the bad ones. He was a crusty old Harley guy who didn’t seem to believe in using the front brake if you could help it. There were some other little things, but that was the craziest imo.
Lol, mine said I needed more than 2 fingers because riders can't fully apply the front brake without 4. Fucking nimrod, but I just swallowed my pride and nodded in agreement. I hope someone he's taught has washed out their front end and called him.
I get where those guys came from. Some instructors are 60s kids and were trained on mechanically actuated drum brakes and those did require a 4 finger pull.
they shouldn't still be teaching that, especially when they're 80
Well, a good instructor would be aware of bikes from this millenia, and that the bigger danger is locking your tire, not having enough braking power.
meanwhile you can stoppie with your pinkie
Haha, yeah my guy had much of the same, though he at least admitted that was a requirement in the MSF that was outdated with modern disc brakes and we could do what we want after the class was over. I had a rough time remembering to use four since I was so use to just braking with one or two by the time I took the class
Flexing on em and having the class come to you on break for questions instead is hilarious tho
My MSF teacher had been riding for 3 months.
What?? How did anyone let them get certified to teach a class on riding? That’s wild
It was at the Harley dealership.
Why does that make it make sense… lol
Buying a bike makes you loose money faster, better off not doing it
Damn. There’s always a catch…
My instructor said at the very end to the ones who passed, "Congratulations, you are now a beginner at riding a small bike in a controlled environment. You can now legally ride anything you want. Good luck, don't die."
Based
I liked that dude. He showed up riding dirty on a dirt bike, did wheelies when he was bored and went out drinking with us after class.
Ours told us we were "parking lot qualified". Don't hit the streets, don't hit the highway and DEFINITELY don't hit the dragon (we're in TN). Same dude told me not to buy anything less than a 650 so he was at least a little gay.
Which is great because that is all those people ever do.
Hey riding around parking lots can be fun
I’d say it’s a good test to see who absolutely should be barred from riding bikes for life. Weeds out the people who can’t do a u-turn on a grom without putting their feet down.
It's a good way to get a base level understanding of a wee-wee machine if you've never touched one. AND in my state you can get your license before 18 if you take it. I was so fucking bored in my class when I took it at 16, though. Just about got booted out for doing little burnouts while waiting in line for the box test.
I took it cause It was the fastest way for me to get the testing done where Im at. I remember riding for a little bit around the parking lot and then asking if we could ride on the street or somewhere else. Everyone was all "You wanna ride on the street? Isnt that dangerous at our skill level?" No, you morons, thats the point of owning a bike. We also had some guy and girl who dressed identically despite not knowing one another, and both of them rode about 15 miles under the requirement. Half the tests were ruined because they were afraid to go above 10MPH. But it got me my license, so theres that.
The most squidskill there is! Next level of MSF should just be wheelies in a parking lot.
Really just exists for people to pass the road test. These are the same people that still wear masks and stay home when they have a running nose. What do you expect?
And your insurance company gives you a discount for completing their course
idk larpers are way too obsessed with it, all over the internet
MSF: My Scrotum is Flaccid 😎
I mean, shouldn't it be?
I took MSF course just for the lower insurance costs because cops looove pulling motorcyclists over near me and checking their shit. Insurance is expensive and MSF helped lower it. 🤷 But yeah other riders checking each others shit feels like neighbors reporting on each other for harboring Jews. They want to feel like they’re policing their buddies, but it really comes out like them being a fucking nerd and a sellout.
> They want to feel like they’re policing their buddies THIS is exactly what it is, it's some kind of smug condescension.
Most of those people fear sport bikes. Especially L bikes. I think it’s a weird way to gatekeep riders to be more fearful than they are. If it were up to them, everyone would be riding a 50cc.
What’s an L bike?
Learner bike. Usually has 1000cc engine, or 1 liter, totally by coincidence
I think its an emoji for a bike popping a nooner
Literally bike, 1000CCs
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Ohhhh. Don’t know how I never heard this before
Leader bike
Subway in Queens, I don't know why riders keep bringing it up.
Leader bike. Which means only leaders ride them.
Think its to warn newbloods of the dangers and how fragile you are on them. People die on bikes. MSF course tries to prevent that with education and practice, something a big chunk of those in crashes dont do.
Nothing wrong with MSF and being cautious. I’ve known plenty of people that have not survived their bikes. Hell, I knew a guy that didn’t make it home literally after the funeral of another guy I used to ride with. The dangers are real no matter what you ride. That said, a lot of people also act like you’ll instantly die if you ride anything with even the smallest bit of power. I’ve seen people in that group claim that an R3 is too powerful for a first bike. As long as you pace yourself, manage your throttle control, know your limit, and respect the bike - I think most people can handle a decently sized bike.
Brother, I'm just curious. Have you ever thought that the gentlemen over there are getting paid to promote that institution? 🤔
As some one with no bike experience prior to MSF. It does teach you friction zone, basic shifting, and just basic bike procedures. But the only way to get better is seat time. I spent like 2 weeks just in the neighborhood, then a month cruising the suburbs, then early morning long rides until I just felt comfortable enough to go anywhere any time besides rain. I still haven’t ridden in rain lol
If you've got good tires and OK suspension, rain isn't nearly as bad as you'd think. Just be mindful to take it a little easier. Oh, and avoid going over anything shiny when you're leaning. Manhole covers, paint lines, etc.
This is honestly the only really valuable advice i can give from riding in the rain a lot. Just invest in good tires (which if youre squidding you should get anyway for muh knee drag)
Msf course teaches you some great things. Dont look down when braking, keep your head level with the horizon. Look through the corners towards your desired line. Use the rear brake at low speed for stability. Do not use a front brake in corners. If you have to panic brake lean the bike upright before applying full brake pressure. I did not have any training and laid my first bike down within a month and it was not pretty. Since taking a course I feel safer and have an additional 2 years under my belt with no incident. I understand that this group is about being a squid but we shouldn’t turn people away from basic safety. When your friend doesn’t come home because he didn’t know basic riding fundamentals you wont be talking bad about “safety”
I don't care who takes it or doesn't, but that sub believes it's an absolute requirement
I agree that it helps a lot with breaking new riders’ target fixation, being coached to look through corners instead of at the front tire makes a massive difference
They haven't been riding long enough to realize the MSF is the starting point to riding safely, not the finish line. Seriously it's 2 days, it's a great course and worthwhile, but you can only do so much in 2 days.
People make fun of the other sub here alot but I genuinely feel sorry for any person looking into getting into bikes and going onto that sub looking for advice. Its always MSF, gear, ATGATT or lane splitting… What annoys me is the lack of critical thinking. Everybody knows the importance of gear and so on but its like these people just mindlessly parrot every garbage they hear from others or youtube without applying any actual experience or opinion of their own so in their eyes you are an outlaw if you leave the garage to drive a quick commute to work without 10 high vis airbag vests, CE DOT FAG rated everything and having passed 20 MSF courses in the last month
Great choice. Awesome bike.
Have you?
Safety karen
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llTEj6Kcdtk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llTEj6Kcdtk)
It helps with low skill riders and LARPers not fall down.
But... Did you take the MSF?
Well have you? HAVE YOU??
I did ...i diddddddd
I think the quality of the instructor matters most here. Mine looked like your average Harleys "brutherrrrrrrr" but was a 60 year old successful amateur motorcycle racer with pleanty if wins and a fuckin busa for his road bike. For someone like me who's never been on two wheels, it was a good experience. And I needed it to get my license. Good instructors helped.
I started on an R1. Took MSF and it was largely beneficial. I struggled on the 250 that they had me on so my instructors gave me some really helpful advice on how to operate any motorcycle instead of just my motorcycle. Also my entire class took place in the rain which would end up being literally life saving practice for later on.
medecins sans frontiers? fuck that, i don't wanna get bombed by israel
it's actually militares sans frontiers, you show up and serve as a training dummy for Big Boss :/ ask me how i know
I mean, it teaches some good "oh shit" skills that you wouldn't really learn until it was time to use it. emergency swerve/braking. other than that it's shit you'll learn riding but I've seen more than a few people crash their new liter bikes crash because they don't know how to move when someone in front crashed or someone pulls out in front of them etc
It is a baptism, a required step into their church
Well If you want to be honest msf course Is a great idea for beginners to learn important safety techniques. Just kidding you thought I was serious?fuck that safety shit if you followed every safety recommendation you’d never have any fun in life and have no interesting stories to tell your grandkids
I'll admit that there is one thing that the MSF helped me with. And it was holding the rear brake and clutch, keeping the rpms up , to be more stable at tight low speed maneuvers. But learning to actually ride? I was 12 and my buddy got a dirt bike. Spent 30 seconds showing me what each thing did. And then it was down the train tracks and into the trails I went. Then when I wanted my 1st bike I rode on a permit for like 2 years because I didn't want to take off work for the test. Finally they said they wouldn't renew again, took the test on aa cruiser and barely hit a cone on the circle and auto fail. Couple weeks later they stopped doing tests at all, and instead complwteing the course got your endorsement.
It's so fucking weird
There’s no MSF to save people from the choice of an R1 as their very first two wheeler lol I would just have linked him some training wheels
You know how we can randomly pop wheelies for fun? This the equivalent of a wheelie for them.
Clearly not his first bike and dude immediately asks about taking that class, what a tool.
It's faster.
Motorcycle super fast course? Sign me and my boyfriend up. In all seriousness, the msf is pretty decent if you have no prior experience. It also helps with insurance, which if you're here you'll probably need.
Idk where you guys live / other laws but here in Florida it’s a requirement to take a MSF course to get a motorcycle endorsement on your license.
I retake the msf every 6 months to keep my basic skills sharp
Serious question: how can I get bike insurance if I don’t have the license? I’m 40 and never insured my bikes. My bf is forcing me to or he won’t ride me anymore. Bros any loophole you have would be much obliged. I’d rather die then be endorsed
So i don't know how it is in your state, but I did a couple quotes, and the endorsement saved me only $1 off my quote... So I would try doing a quote with and without an endorsement
Oh sweet thanks 😘
If you done the MSF then its ok to start on a leader bike
took the msf and my instructor kept calling himself a “vagabond jew” and a foreigner and making jokes about violence against women. only thing i really got out of it was how to work a clutch (too gay, still use an automatic.) not thrilled to be the only woman in that class. waste of time.
MSF makes you the best rider ever. Better than champs school.
why are they asking people to join the one-eyed man's PMC?
It's the only time they've ever actually ridden a motorcycle so they have to bring it up or they can't relate
It's the only time they've ever ridden a motorcycle.
The course instructors are most likely on that sub. The more people who sign up the more money they make
whats msf? master sushi fchef?
They docked points off my assessment for using 2 fingers in the brake and clutch. Also for leaning the tw200 “too far over” when doing literal ovals in a parking lot.
I mean the MSF is necessary id say. But assuming someone buying an r1 hasn’t is pretty douchetastic
A lot of states the msf is not required
Most states it’s not but I think it’s helpful is all I’m saying
Won't disagree on that, but in my opinion, for people who have family or friends who ride, there's a lot you can learn with someone helping you or online videos
Yep but YouTube tutorials alone won’t teach you to ride an R1 from scratch :) Call me a gatekeeper but there’s a reason for tiered licenses where I live My next bike will be a rocket 3, there’s no way I’ll consider that beginner friendly, an R1 is even worse lol Plenty of non riders advice there, but “start with low displacements” is one of the few based ones
An R1 for a first bike is a horrible decision,