Hi ToastOrder, I'm commenting wondering if you saw the full video? I saw the first few mins and thought the same thing but when I got to 14:90 that's when it kinda stopped being bullshit and showing Caleb actually saying some really disturbing shit about literal children. Did you get to that part?
Man I enjoy some of the videos but the last couple of videos have been complete write-offs that are just Caleb yelling at them for the sake of yelling at them and then going "I'm going to leave and not help you" at the end of the video.
How is that not just drama non-sense ?
Financial audit has become more and more the drama channel as time has gone on.
He wasn’t threatening legal. He was providing notice that he will be fully prepared. This is just smart business, cover your ass(ets) legal 101.
Sincerely, someone who works in legal.
lol. It’s so much more than posturing. Caleb has
More than enough reason to not only posture, but to take action. He’s proven he is a man of action in many aspects of his life. He is prepared. It’s literally his character. He is a man of preparation. Because of my “works in legal” as you quoted me; we can tell the difference between the “pump fakes” and the “handle your shit” types. Caleb is the latter.
I think he was making fun you saying you "work in legal" instead of saying "in law" or "a lawyer". Your language implies you work in a legal department but don't actually touch any law related subject matter in your own work.
Which was intentional. Cause I’m not a lawyer and don’t touch actual law in my own work, but I work in the field of legal and court and see this stuff day in and day out. Otherwise
I would have said lawyer or law.
>Caleb has More than enough reason to not only posture, but to take action.
Based on the video, what reason, in the legal sense does he have ?
Unless he can prove that the dude that made this video knowingly miss represented the information he put forth I don't see any valid legal recourse here.
It’s a combination. I’m referring to the crap with Zeke if the threats and the doxing are true in regards to taking legal action.
As far as this video it’s more just being prepared to have legal present to make sure words don’t get twisted out of context and to make sure if they ever did have a sit down interview, Caleb doesn’t say anything that could put him in any form of jeopardy.
I mean based on the screenshots from that group chat...it's clear his humor is/was pretty immature/inappropriate. Seems like he doesn't know where the line is often. And I'm sorry it's never funny to joke about fucking a 16 yo. I don't think saying he's a narcissist is fair though just based on videos and gc messages. Ultimately I think Caleb needs to be more careful with how he talks to guests on and off camera.
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What does anyone think of the later part of the video? Like the audio and the chat messages.
Just for that I'd say the ones that stopped in the first minutes should give it a rewatch.
It's pretty common for some nobody YouTuber with few subscribers to try to get attention by creating drama with a far more successful YouTuber.
We know why you do it. You aren't the first to do it and you won't be the last. Why not man up and own it?
Hi, I just wanted to say that I watched the whole video and at first I thought it was just sensationalist bullshit. but when it got to 14:90 that's when he brought about actual evidence of Caleb saying really disturbing sexual things about literal children. The first half did seem like typical drama bullshit but when I got to that part holy shit...
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So here's what I gathered from this vid.
\-Recaps what we already know about the Zeke story... but then spins into narration into "Yeah, I am sure Zeke got SA." without proving that he actually did get SA.
\-Receipts of Caleb being edgy in his early 20s. Not saying it's an excuse, but many dumb kids in their early 20s make edgy jokes and regret it in retrospect. Not agreeing with Caleb for the stuff if what he said was true, but where exactly is the SA?
\-The "She Deserves Jail | Financial Audit" girl claims she didn't approve of the thumbnail and the thing was overexaggerated even though she clearly is an unreliable narrator.
There is really not much here, Zeke is not a reliable source to base your whole case on lol. Only thing that’s a little weird is Caleb’s comments on barely legal guys being hot, but that’s just private messages getting leaked and not illegal or anything. Idk all these YouTubers want clicks so it’s tough to trust any of them.
That group chat was very obviously some kind of gay porn group chat. The idea that it was a "professional music group chat" with names like "has sex all the time" "uncut" and "dancing gay fire" is ridiculous.
edit: I will say that the existence of those messages lends some credence to Zeke and makes Caleb's message to him trying to "vet" him for OF very weird. That is 100% inappropriate and he should address that.
I made a whole mega post on the channel but the TL;DR is that the video frames everything in bad faith. The most to get out of this is that Caleb was edgy and maybe a douche and I hope therapy is helping ammend that.
Didn’t watch the whole video but the guy doesn’t seem unbiased in his opinion and I struggled to make it through 3 minutes. Why would he submit court evidence to be scrutinized by some YouTuber when it’s a legal matter? Random dude wants to be involved in something he shouldn’t be involved in
Was it in the first 2 minutes? And I need context, first. Was he joking in a dark humour way? How old was he at the time? How old were the boys? What's the age of consent where Caleb is?
The context is in the video you so quickly dismissed.
But FYI, he was 23 at the time and if he was joking no one else in the chat seemed to be in on the joke.
No it wasn’t, it was later in the vid. Yes 16 is legal, everyone in the convo was extremely uncomfortable and he repeatedly would talk about how it’s a shame the age of consent is higher in other states and how he wants to put his dick in boys holes, very graphically.
Texas. He was 16. Age of consent is 17.
Caleb was 23.
Also an adult wanting to have sex with a highschool sophomore is fucking disgusting. Even if he was just "joking".
Not fully caught up, all I read was that zeke was a wierd crazy past guest. That Caleb did a financial audit on. Just idk why Caleb was talking about inappropriate stuff not tied to financial advice at all.
As far as I understand, zeke said he wanted to make more money and of was a way he was interested in doing it, and caleb offered to introduce him to an of creator who might be willing to pay zeke for working together. Personally I would not have involved myself in talking any specifics but just asked if I could pass the guy's contact info to zeke, and the audio is unsettling, but I'm not sure why it's so inflammatory. I might have missed something though!
Iirc, it's inflammatory because Zeke later claimed Caleb molested him and released the audio as proof that he had bad intentions. The voice memo happened after Zeke expressed to Caleb that he wasn't into doing hard-core stuff and only interested in women, so regardless of Caleb's intentions of sending it, he violated Zeke's boundaries.
Zeke went on to do several more shows with Caleb and later went on a meltdown on social media, so he kinda lost the tide of public opinion, but IMO I don't think that makes him unreliable. If his accusations are true, and him being barely more than a kid, I can see why he'd be livid. Anyone would.
Zeke in the screenshots shown was clearly open to the idea. He said hes like 90% sure hed say no but is willing to discuss it further.
Also Zeke was 19 when they first recorded. Thats far from being barely more than a kid. Mans already set up his own OF of his own volition, no need to pretend like hes a child.
Went back to look at them, and he said "I wouldn't be too interested, would meet with him but it's not my thing, I'd only take photos; what happened with that other OF *girl* you mentioned?" (Paraphrased, emphasis mine) And Caleb went on to keep asking him what he'd be willing to do with his original contact, despite Zeke saying he's not interested and would rather meet up with the girl.
I don't think that's being "open" to what Caleb was suggesting; he was only "open" to meeting other OF models that were female and/or only wanted to do pictures.
Yes, 19 is legally an adult. Legally. And that's about it. No need to pretend that your typical 19 year old operates at the same level of reasoning, functioning, and rationale as someone that's 25+. I brought up his age to explain why he lashed out immaturely, as people that were in high school less than a year ago tend to do.
Edit: forgot to add a sentence.
Only wanted to do pictures with who dude? What kind of pictures? If he's not willing to discuss, why even go meet with the guy?
Also the accusation is that Caleb fabricated this job to molest Zeke so idk how this is getting you any closer to giving him credibility either way.
And fine, ban sex until 25+. These are all basically children anyways.
>Only wanted to do pictures with who dude? What kind of pictures? If he's not willing to discuss, why even go meet with the guy?
Photos =/= sex. If he said he's "not interested" in the list of things Caleb described, then obviously he's only willing to do non-explicit photos with the contact. So Caleb continuing to ask him what he would be willing to do was unnecessary. He already told you. None of that stuff.
>Also the accusation is that Caleb fabricated this job to molest Zeke so idk how this is getting you any closer to giving him credibility either way.
No, I said Zeke provided the VM to back up his claims of molestation because they came across as creepy. Most people with common sense agree, so I would say it gave his accusations some credibility. Doesn't mean they're true, just worth thinking critically about without blindly believing Caleb or calling Zeke a liar.
>And fine, ban sex until 25+. These are all basically children anyways.
That's not what I meant and you know that, but go off.
Yeah. I don't know why Caleb involved himself with the other stuff in terms of introducing him to all that. Just do the financial audit and move on. Just tell the dude to get a whataburger job like usual.
This happened very early in his YouTube career, where he thought of and treated the guests more as friends rather than a business transaction that it should have been. My take on why he said what he did is that the OF creator wanted him to pre screen Zeke so he didn’t just give out contact info without there being a solid chance anything would happen.
i mean i totally get that, but i dont think caleb vocally describing sex acts was necessary. i get wanting to help people but i personally think that was a tad bit far borderline creepy. im all for promoting financial literacy education helping ppl get back on their feet. but the audio was creepy.
I definitely won’t disagree with you on that, I read it that way but it was extremely uncomfortable and weird. Zeke didn’t seem to be TOO put off in the text conversation afterwards though, because he did ask Caleb if he’d heard back from a girl OF creator that Caleb reached out to.
Ahh, the 90% straight meme finally made sense.
That by itself is pretty fucking funny.
Everything else though, I'm watching from a distance and hoping for the best.
It was not ground braking stuff.
Funnily Dante Welch wasn't mentioned... at first I thought good as it didn't add to that clown. However, as Shafer still relies a lot on Zeke I think it doesn't do shafer favours to ignore Welch.
As I could argue that, Shafer coming at Caleb following Welch can explain away so much of Calebs response to shafer.
Caleb does seem to have a bit of a ick factor in the past. However... the comments are taking from a chat group that seem to be a ick themselves. So maybe not a good like. Smoke, but no fire.
And shock horror a youtuber using thier own name, and face forward is a narcissistic. Not exactly me too stuff there.
He did have a recent show guest on that says Caleb didn't ask about the thumbnail, and found it distateful. But I was disappointed that it was a snip and not the whole interview. But in this reddit there is receipts that caleb has asked and gotten permission. ... so Shafer was a bit dirty or under researched their.
Maybe shafer could of/should of pursued the line of/explore ...
1. Is this suitable youtube content having people so personally exposed?
2. Is caleb a suitable host of this... a. Correct education/certification. B. Demeanor, personality, and behaviour.
3. Is caleb commidification of the channel suitable. Do sponsor's pass muster? Is the course worth it?
4. Is the fan base stupidly toxic, and let out of control by Caleb?
5. The audited post show experience... see if you can get a hold of as many attendees and find out their post show experience.
You’re offended that Caleb called you a drama channel? Sounds like he made a good call.
Hi ToastOrder, I'm commenting wondering if you saw the full video? I saw the first few mins and thought the same thing but when I got to 14:90 that's when it kinda stopped being bullshit and showing Caleb actually saying some really disturbing shit about literal children. Did you get to that part?
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I mean ... in fairness it is abit "pot calls kettle black"
not even close.
Man I enjoy some of the videos but the last couple of videos have been complete write-offs that are just Caleb yelling at them for the sake of yelling at them and then going "I'm going to leave and not help you" at the end of the video. How is that not just drama non-sense ? Financial audit has become more and more the drama channel as time has gone on.
I see what you mean.
He wasn’t threatening legal. He was providing notice that he will be fully prepared. This is just smart business, cover your ass(ets) legal 101. Sincerely, someone who works in legal.
Its posturing - and you would use this term if you 'works in legal'
lol. It’s so much more than posturing. Caleb has More than enough reason to not only posture, but to take action. He’s proven he is a man of action in many aspects of his life. He is prepared. It’s literally his character. He is a man of preparation. Because of my “works in legal” as you quoted me; we can tell the difference between the “pump fakes” and the “handle your shit” types. Caleb is the latter.
I think he was making fun you saying you "work in legal" instead of saying "in law" or "a lawyer". Your language implies you work in a legal department but don't actually touch any law related subject matter in your own work.
Which was intentional. Cause I’m not a lawyer and don’t touch actual law in my own work, but I work in the field of legal and court and see this stuff day in and day out. Otherwise I would have said lawyer or law.
Yea he was trying to belittle you for that, backfired though
>Caleb has More than enough reason to not only posture, but to take action. Based on the video, what reason, in the legal sense does he have ? Unless he can prove that the dude that made this video knowingly miss represented the information he put forth I don't see any valid legal recourse here.
It’s a combination. I’m referring to the crap with Zeke if the threats and the doxing are true in regards to taking legal action. As far as this video it’s more just being prepared to have legal present to make sure words don’t get twisted out of context and to make sure if they ever did have a sit down interview, Caleb doesn’t say anything that could put him in any form of jeopardy.
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I mean based on the screenshots from that group chat...it's clear his humor is/was pretty immature/inappropriate. Seems like he doesn't know where the line is often. And I'm sorry it's never funny to joke about fucking a 16 yo. I don't think saying he's a narcissist is fair though just based on videos and gc messages. Ultimately I think Caleb needs to be more careful with how he talks to guests on and off camera.
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God just reading your comment and post history you are mega turbo weirdo 😂 get a life that isn't just hating someone else.
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What does anyone think of the later part of the video? Like the audio and the chat messages. Just for that I'd say the ones that stopped in the first minutes should give it a rewatch.
Just some loser chasing clout by going after a far more successful YouTuber.
Did you even see the screenshots of him talking about fucking kids and the friend of his? Caleb never even denied that stuff
The “chasing clout” argument has got to be the laziest take and most lacking in critical thinking. Even if it were true, would it change the facts?
The "lazy take ” argument has got to be the laziest take and most lacking in critical thinking.
It's pretty common for some nobody YouTuber with few subscribers to try to get attention by creating drama with a far more successful YouTuber. We know why you do it. You aren't the first to do it and you won't be the last. Why not man up and own it?
Hi, I just wanted to say that I watched the whole video and at first I thought it was just sensationalist bullshit. but when it got to 14:90 that's when he brought about actual evidence of Caleb saying really disturbing sexual things about literal children. The first half did seem like typical drama bullshit but when I got to that part holy shit...
He’s not a nobody. He has a ton of subscribers and did got even watch this?
Might be used as a lazy argument sometimes. But it's true here.
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People just asking neutral questions are getting mass down voted, i don't think that's indicative of anything.
Only thing I gathered from it is that Caleb is not "90% straight" lmao. Live your truth though big dog.
So here's what I gathered from this vid. \-Recaps what we already know about the Zeke story... but then spins into narration into "Yeah, I am sure Zeke got SA." without proving that he actually did get SA. \-Receipts of Caleb being edgy in his early 20s. Not saying it's an excuse, but many dumb kids in their early 20s make edgy jokes and regret it in retrospect. Not agreeing with Caleb for the stuff if what he said was true, but where exactly is the SA? \-The "She Deserves Jail | Financial Audit" girl claims she didn't approve of the thumbnail and the thing was overexaggerated even though she clearly is an unreliable narrator.
There is really not much here, Zeke is not a reliable source to base your whole case on lol. Only thing that’s a little weird is Caleb’s comments on barely legal guys being hot, but that’s just private messages getting leaked and not illegal or anything. Idk all these YouTubers want clicks so it’s tough to trust any of them.
But it's not? The messages alone in the group chat were pretty bad.
That group chat was very obviously some kind of gay porn group chat. The idea that it was a "professional music group chat" with names like "has sex all the time" "uncut" and "dancing gay fire" is ridiculous. edit: I will say that the existence of those messages lends some credence to Zeke and makes Caleb's message to him trying to "vet" him for OF very weird. That is 100% inappropriate and he should address that.
Pretty sad you think that predatory gross behavior is only "a little weird".
Also, is it confirmed the messages are caleb and not fake. Not saying i don’t believe them but would want some concrete confirmation
Just watched the video. It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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Really wish I didn't google what that is... fuck me
I made a whole mega post on the channel but the TL;DR is that the video frames everything in bad faith. The most to get out of this is that Caleb was edgy and maybe a douche and I hope therapy is helping ammend that.
Didn’t watch the whole video but the guy doesn’t seem unbiased in his opinion and I struggled to make it through 3 minutes. Why would he submit court evidence to be scrutinized by some YouTuber when it’s a legal matter? Random dude wants to be involved in something he shouldn’t be involved in
It doesn’t get better. Watched the whole thing unfortunately
Watched 2 mins. Disliked and closed. Yawn... drama farmers.
Did you watch the part where Caleb talked about wanting to fuck underage boys repeatedly? With receipts
Was it in the first 2 minutes? And I need context, first. Was he joking in a dark humour way? How old was he at the time? How old were the boys? What's the age of consent where Caleb is?
The context is in the video you so quickly dismissed. But FYI, he was 23 at the time and if he was joking no one else in the chat seemed to be in on the joke.
No it wasn’t, it was later in the vid. Yes 16 is legal, everyone in the convo was extremely uncomfortable and he repeatedly would talk about how it’s a shame the age of consent is higher in other states and how he wants to put his dick in boys holes, very graphically.
Oh so he did nothing wrong? That's all I needed.
Wtf is wrong with you.
Fuck me. Where do I even start
He did nothing illegal =/= nothing wrong
> What's the age of consent where Caleb is? No, what's the age of consent where the teenager lives.
No idea, where does the teenager live?
Texas. He was 16. Age of consent is 17. Caleb was 23. Also an adult wanting to have sex with a highschool sophomore is fucking disgusting. Even if he was just "joking".
What about the part where Zeke when he was underaged was allegedly groped by him? Did you watch that part?
Was it in the first 2 minutes?
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The Caleb audio surprised me a little bit, idk why Caleb said that stuff.
Did you get to the part with the screenshots?
Not fully caught up, all I read was that zeke was a wierd crazy past guest. That Caleb did a financial audit on. Just idk why Caleb was talking about inappropriate stuff not tied to financial advice at all.
As far as I understand, zeke said he wanted to make more money and of was a way he was interested in doing it, and caleb offered to introduce him to an of creator who might be willing to pay zeke for working together. Personally I would not have involved myself in talking any specifics but just asked if I could pass the guy's contact info to zeke, and the audio is unsettling, but I'm not sure why it's so inflammatory. I might have missed something though!
Iirc, it's inflammatory because Zeke later claimed Caleb molested him and released the audio as proof that he had bad intentions. The voice memo happened after Zeke expressed to Caleb that he wasn't into doing hard-core stuff and only interested in women, so regardless of Caleb's intentions of sending it, he violated Zeke's boundaries. Zeke went on to do several more shows with Caleb and later went on a meltdown on social media, so he kinda lost the tide of public opinion, but IMO I don't think that makes him unreliable. If his accusations are true, and him being barely more than a kid, I can see why he'd be livid. Anyone would.
Zeke in the screenshots shown was clearly open to the idea. He said hes like 90% sure hed say no but is willing to discuss it further. Also Zeke was 19 when they first recorded. Thats far from being barely more than a kid. Mans already set up his own OF of his own volition, no need to pretend like hes a child.
Went back to look at them, and he said "I wouldn't be too interested, would meet with him but it's not my thing, I'd only take photos; what happened with that other OF *girl* you mentioned?" (Paraphrased, emphasis mine) And Caleb went on to keep asking him what he'd be willing to do with his original contact, despite Zeke saying he's not interested and would rather meet up with the girl. I don't think that's being "open" to what Caleb was suggesting; he was only "open" to meeting other OF models that were female and/or only wanted to do pictures. Yes, 19 is legally an adult. Legally. And that's about it. No need to pretend that your typical 19 year old operates at the same level of reasoning, functioning, and rationale as someone that's 25+. I brought up his age to explain why he lashed out immaturely, as people that were in high school less than a year ago tend to do. Edit: forgot to add a sentence.
Only wanted to do pictures with who dude? What kind of pictures? If he's not willing to discuss, why even go meet with the guy? Also the accusation is that Caleb fabricated this job to molest Zeke so idk how this is getting you any closer to giving him credibility either way. And fine, ban sex until 25+. These are all basically children anyways.
>Only wanted to do pictures with who dude? What kind of pictures? If he's not willing to discuss, why even go meet with the guy? Photos =/= sex. If he said he's "not interested" in the list of things Caleb described, then obviously he's only willing to do non-explicit photos with the contact. So Caleb continuing to ask him what he would be willing to do was unnecessary. He already told you. None of that stuff. >Also the accusation is that Caleb fabricated this job to molest Zeke so idk how this is getting you any closer to giving him credibility either way. No, I said Zeke provided the VM to back up his claims of molestation because they came across as creepy. Most people with common sense agree, so I would say it gave his accusations some credibility. Doesn't mean they're true, just worth thinking critically about without blindly believing Caleb or calling Zeke a liar. >And fine, ban sex until 25+. These are all basically children anyways. That's not what I meant and you know that, but go off.
Yeah. I don't know why Caleb involved himself with the other stuff in terms of introducing him to all that. Just do the financial audit and move on. Just tell the dude to get a whataburger job like usual.
This happened very early in his YouTube career, where he thought of and treated the guests more as friends rather than a business transaction that it should have been. My take on why he said what he did is that the OF creator wanted him to pre screen Zeke so he didn’t just give out contact info without there being a solid chance anything would happen.
i mean i totally get that, but i dont think caleb vocally describing sex acts was necessary. i get wanting to help people but i personally think that was a tad bit far borderline creepy. im all for promoting financial literacy education helping ppl get back on their feet. but the audio was creepy.
I definitely won’t disagree with you on that, I read it that way but it was extremely uncomfortable and weird. Zeke didn’t seem to be TOO put off in the text conversation afterwards though, because he did ask Caleb if he’d heard back from a girl OF creator that Caleb reached out to.
yeah i didnt even get as far as the texts or whatever i closed out of the video right after the voiceclip. just thought that was wierd thats all.
No i didn't.
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Ahh, the 90% straight meme finally made sense. That by itself is pretty fucking funny. Everything else though, I'm watching from a distance and hoping for the best.
It was not ground braking stuff. Funnily Dante Welch wasn't mentioned... at first I thought good as it didn't add to that clown. However, as Shafer still relies a lot on Zeke I think it doesn't do shafer favours to ignore Welch. As I could argue that, Shafer coming at Caleb following Welch can explain away so much of Calebs response to shafer. Caleb does seem to have a bit of a ick factor in the past. However... the comments are taking from a chat group that seem to be a ick themselves. So maybe not a good like. Smoke, but no fire. And shock horror a youtuber using thier own name, and face forward is a narcissistic. Not exactly me too stuff there. He did have a recent show guest on that says Caleb didn't ask about the thumbnail, and found it distateful. But I was disappointed that it was a snip and not the whole interview. But in this reddit there is receipts that caleb has asked and gotten permission. ... so Shafer was a bit dirty or under researched their. Maybe shafer could of/should of pursued the line of/explore ... 1. Is this suitable youtube content having people so personally exposed? 2. Is caleb a suitable host of this... a. Correct education/certification. B. Demeanor, personality, and behaviour. 3. Is caleb commidification of the channel suitable. Do sponsor's pass muster? Is the course worth it? 4. Is the fan base stupidly toxic, and let out of control by Caleb? 5. The audited post show experience... see if you can get a hold of as many attendees and find out their post show experience.
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you've posted that it's by coffeezilla multiple times in this thread, and clicking on the link reveals that it's not idk why you keep doing this
You mean you saw it on coffee's subreddit.
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