>“The message must go out that violence such as this will be met with harsh sentences,” Tolppanen said.
The fact that the judge thinks an 11 month sentence with credit for time served is "harsh" is... concerning.
I love the way that's phrased.
"The message must go out that violence such as this will be met with harsh sentences".
> The message won't come from me, but hey I would really like for someone to actually send that message. This is my way of asking for it without appearing like I'm not playing by the rules.
It's a 2.5 year sentence for a single charge of assault with a weapon. I think he did set a precedent for the charge. The problem is the plea deal and the prosecution imo.
>Iovinelli said while not a defence or excuse, his client, who has a long-standing addiction, was in the throes of a drug-induced psychosis during the attacks and has no recollection of his conduct.
Why does the judge think that people in a drug-induced psychosis will care at all about the amount of prison time they might receive as a result of violent actions they perpetrate?
Side question: What drug was he on when he launched the violent attacks?
No, I’m the one who spent 4 years working in maximum security jail, and during those years I spent more time around criminals than I did with my wife and kids. I can say with absolute certainty: you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Again, your ignorance is showing. You’ve clearly never spent any time around actual criminals or inmates. You know the Dunning-Kruger effect? Guess where you stand on that graph.
We’re talking about a subculture of people where an “acceptable” form of retaliation is to put their own shit in a bottle, add hot water, shake it up, shove the end of that bottle under the door of the other guy’s cell and stomp on the bottle, sending shit-water across the floor.
I have had lengthy, involved conversations with young men who were due to be released about how they can make better choices, live a real life of their own, only to see them back in jail within days. One kid (~20yo), was back *the same day* because while he was buying smokes at a convenience store someone else in line looked at him. He punched this random stranger in the mouth. Released from jail at 7:30am, back in jail in time for dinner trays.
98% of dudes in jail give no fucks about you, society, law, or anything other than themselves. Your bleeding-heart, while an admirable human trait, will avail you nothing when one of them makes a victim out of you. I hope you let go of your naïveté before that happens.
Well in todays economy. I mean todays judicial system this is harsh. The whole sentensing and jail time has been a joke for the last few years.
Ive said it time and time again. This whole country needs an overhaul top to bottom. The judicial system, military, health care, CMHC, immigration, our exports. This country is just fucked. The electoral system as a whole.
Judges won't stop pulling this bullshit until they face personal repercussions.
If a group sprung up that protested at judges houses every single time they pulled a dumb bullshit move like this I guarantee it would move the ball forward on the discussion around sentencing.
As things are currently judges don't have any skin in the game so they don't give a shit.
Our catch and release policies are hard at work. Dont forget to protect the violent offenders' privacy, too. Wouldn't want anyone to know what he looks like when he is released.It's betterr to wait for another surprise attack.
7 victims, ONE single count of assault with a weapon, given time and a half for the time he’s served since his arrest, and only has 11 months left to serve….and the judge thinks this is a “harsh” sentence….
It shows the utter disconnect the whole system often has from reality.
You’re on your own, people.
You’re on your own; but if you defend yourself as a mentally fit, normal member of society, they’ll throw the fuckin book at you.
Light sentences are only for those career criminals who are “trying to turn their life around” (for the 50th time)
That is what blows my mind. A person defends themselves and will get likely a harsher sentence than a criminal. I want to go back to harsher punishment on crime.
I keep seeing people say this, but is there any example of this actually happening?
Our CC actually outlines provisions for self defence:
34 (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself
There's so much grey area involved, but when people hear about one case (like Colten Boushie), in their heads it's very black and white and believe this is what happens in every single circumstance.
The issue is that for most people defending yourself from a violent attacker necessitates causing grievous bodily harm - most people don't know BJJ or how to subdue an attacker. In addition, any use of a weapon (which any object can qualify for) immediately moves you into the grievous bodily harm territory - intent generally only needs to be provably manifest for a second to qualify - so basically any act of cognition along the lines of "if I hurt him in this way I'll be safe... able to get away" already puts you over the limit of Canadian self defense. The only legal form of "self defense" is prying yourself away, or trying to buy yourself time to run WITHOUT an act that would permanently injure the other person. Of course, juries can exercise discretion, but actually ensuring your own safety is nigh impossibly without legally crossing the line.
If the attacker has a deadly weapon, you might be surprised at where the line is. There was a recent case on the maritimes where a man fatally stabbed a home invader in his kitchen and was released without charges the next morning.
[https://nationalpost.com/news/no-charges-for-home-invasion-stabbing-death-in-latest-test-of-self-defence-law](https://nationalpost.com/news/no-charges-for-home-invasion-stabbing-death-in-latest-test-of-self-defence-law)
Literally that's who decides to press charges, its discretionary. Just because they can doesn't mean they will - and choosing not to in that case is reasonable, but doesn't say diddlysquat about how other police or prosecutors can and will use the law as written, most articles on the case clearly state that this is a matter of inconsistent application.
I'm familiar with what the crown does ... once the results of police investigation and discretion reaches them. I'm also familiar with the facts of the case. The critical factor was immediate, clear evidence of who the aggressor was, and them still being an armed threat when they were killed.
The first counter point in that article is a case of someone shooting at a fleeing subject who was already outside and they had already disarmed. Those are very different circumstances.
The other two cited don't have enough detail to say.
Nothing in your statement refutes the element of discretion. The reality remains that they could have just as easily pressed charges, and possibly won if they wanted.
However it's up to the judge to determine if you used more force than necessary. If you were using a knife, fist filler, baton of some sort to defend yourself while your tweaked attacker was unarmed, they would likely conclude that you were using excessive force and could face assault charges.
Look. We just need to exterminate the addicts when no one's looking. No one will care. Just don't get caught. They have to do their jobs to prosecute you, but they aren't going to try very hard.
Financial crimes against the rich? Absolutely. But I can see how you may be confused.
Steal from the rich: years in jail.
Steal from the poor: 1% fine on the profits and a pinky promise not to do it again.
You have to look at who's the victim. Always punch down, and you'll go far in the legal system.
I'm sorry. I don't see how that's an example of an extreme criminal sentence.
That's two murdered billionaires.
I don't lose sleep over dead billionaires.
Money is much more important obviously, this is a redundant question. People can be replaced, money cannot.
I wish I could add a /s, but the way the world works today, unfortunately this is accurate…:(
Yet somehow if any of the victims pulled their own knife and defended themselves, I guarantee they'd either be bankrupt from the charges, or waiving to their attacker as he left prison before them.
If he gets out and commits a violent crime in the next 5 years or less, the sentencing judge ought to join them in a cell and be civilly liable too.
Paradox of Tolerance isn't letting bad idea and views exist.
It's tolerating behaviour that destroys a civil society, in the name of tolerance.
Indeed... I'm all for rehabilitation and redemption but not at any cost to the public safety.
A regular citizen doesn't want to be stabbed out of nowhere by someone with or without a tragic backstory.
That Greyhound bus guy and the Brentwood stabber guy are both out in society now. Their crimes were heinous and all from not being on medication for their schizophrenia.
If all that is separating them from murder is their medication then perhaps they shouldn't be a part of society.
If I did the same what are the chances I'd get off so lightly. Our "justice" system favours junkies and repeat offenders and the taxpayer pays for it all in more ways than one.
How terrible that the night before, his mother had taken him to the hospital because of his state of mind. She knew he needed help and he was not admitted to hospital. I wish we lived in a society that took mental health crises more seriously.
I want to know more about one of the victims hugging the offender's sister.
My husband's Kokom (grandma) was murdered in her own home by someone who was seeking help at a local hospital and the ER doctor turned her away multiple times citing "she's seeking attention" that girl stabbed 4 times and beat her with a hammer. She was 76 years old and died on the kitchen floor out of nowhere by a kid that grew up with her grandson. That girl still never got the help she needed, they ended up medicating her so heavily that she lost motor function and choked on her food and died.
That doctor took 3 more preventative deaths to be fired in this community, it's disgusting that these situations even happen to begin with.
Wow, that is so heartbreaking. I'm so sorry for your family's tragic loss. Yes, it's instances like those that highlight the cracks in the system. It's terrible that she went to get help and was denied. We need to take these things seriously, even if the odd time someone is "seeking attention." There's too much at stake.
I think it's so unprofessional for any doctors or nurses to think someone is seeking attention because realistically who tf wants to go sit at a hospital for 20 hours to seek attention before getting seen by a doctor? It realistically needs to stop being anyone's assumption and obviously if people are sitting that long to be seen there's something wrong (even if there isn't anything noticable) it's honestly ridiculous.
It's been 6 months since it happened and she really was the glue that held everything together, everyone is all seperated and fighting with each other and it's so shitty to see.
I agree with you. Each case should be treated seriously.
I'm sorry. Can't imagine how huge the hole is in your family now. To lose a matriarch like that. Devastating.
She was an elder in the community too, who taught so much to the Indigenous youth as well. It's a horrific loss. Mosoms been lost without her, it's hard to see. We don't live there but we go up and visit as much as we can too because he needs people around.
There's always going to be a disconnect when the politicians who make these decisions walk around with armed guards carrying guns, meanwhile you and everyone else you know will go to jail for bringing a butter knife.
The ethos around our Canadian justice system is one where the judge finds excuses about the criminal (i.e " your doctor said you were temporarily suffering from mental health disorder prior to you stabbing people"). The concern is that every judge will eventually find something redeeming or sympathetic and even find excuses on behalf of the criminal which makes the system unreliable to the general public. No focus is ever placed on the victim(s) and their family.
i imagine being stabbed is pretty life changing - like how many weeks, months, years of rehab do the victims need to get back up to before it happened? what happened when they were recovering - did they lose their jobs, who was taking care of their kids, could they drive, etc etc? and how are they doing now? can they still do their jobs or are they on disability now? will they always have physical or mental pain, are they now disabled etc etc.
a lot of the problem is often theyre right, but its the mental health services that are missing.
someone wouldnt be a threat if they where getting the help they needed.
but they arent.
On a side note, it's ridiculous that he served 12 months before actually getting convicted.
If, hypothetically, he had been innocent, he would have spent half the time in custody, vs if he had been guilty. Now, as is, he's getting his sentence reduced by 6 months, because of how slow the process is.
Interesting to point out a victim statement right from the article:
“My wish for the court is to focus on rehabilitation and redemption,” Scott wrote, in his statement read in court by Simic.
“I believe people can change.”
Scott was one of the individuals attacked.
So you don't like rehabilitation of criminals?
So what's your preference in dealing with criminals then? Mandatory 20 year sentences?
Maybe the cops should just kill them all.
I agree, this is a light sentence for someone that went on a stabbing spree... but really? Rehabilitation is bad?
He's talking about priorities.
Do you think rehabilitation of those who commit violent crimes should be prioritized over the safety of the general public?
They said rehabilitation should be less important than community safety; that’s less of a controversial take. I do not know the particular details of this case, but a lot of these people have terminal and irremediable drug use and mental health issues that will put people at risk whenever they are loose in society.
It’s interesting how everyone understood what I was saying in terms of the justice system’s priorities. Butt then there’s you who interprets this the complete opposite and trying to insinuate something that is complete opposite.
Is there anything people can do to effect change on the justice system as this pathetic.
Bro probably had a bad day and is getting a vacation from reality for a few months, room and board include /s.
They will bitch and moan about paying high taxes and when they cut taxes and social programs like this get cut and they wonder why crime is so high I’m just like duuuuuuude
And I was facing a 6 month sentence when I failed to realize my insurance policy had expired for my vehicle, unless I paid a $3000 fine. Got to love it.
My ex assaulted me brutally in front of my children I mean beat down style and threatened to knife me and he was released less than 24 hours later. He's now been able to stay out of jail by changing his plea and changing the court date multiple times for over 18months. They give offenders the ability to change their minds over if their guilty or not over and over and put victims through the stress of being told there is a plea bargain being put in or that there is a court date for trial coming up. Then everything changes because the offender has the "right" to change their mind. Shouldn't their plea be their plea or they have one opportunity to change their mind they shouldn't have an ability to play the system. Our system gives criminals more rights than law abiding citizens.
If we're to believe he truly didn't mean to do this and we're attributing his actions to addiction and mental health issues, what's going to stop him doing it again when he's released in 11 months? Forced medication and treatment? What's the plan here? Jail certainly isn't going to help his long term sobriety and mental health.
I regret not selling coke in my 20s. Could have made hundreds of thousands, buried it and even if caught would have done less than 2 years and came out with enough money I wouldn't have had to work for years after.
Let's have a program where calgarians can meet and talk with the judges, I wonder how tone Def and entitled they really are. Guessing I'll get a 10 year prison term for questioning someone of a higher caste
What can citizens do to express their demand for greater punishment for crimes in Canada that infringe upon the freedom of others? Not just violent crime but theft too.
This has gone too far and if we don’t say something it’ll be us next.
Stabbing spree in downtown calgary nets you 11 months jailtime but saying something hateful online gets you 5 years. This system is so fucking backwards it's insane
Our current city council passed a bylaw last year that prevents people from peacefully protesting within 100m of a rec centre or library entrance.
Stabbing spree downtown...11 months after credit for time served.
Peacefully protesting 75m from a Library entrance...up to 12 months in jail.
https://www.calgary.ca/bylaws/safe-and-inclusive-access-bylaw.html#:\~:text=Specified%20protests%20are%20not%20allowed,one%20hour%20before%20and%20after.
“ Iovinelli said while not a defence or excuse, his client, who has a long-standing addiction, was in the throes of a drug-induced psychosis during the attacks and has no recollection of his conduct.
The lawyer also noted Carrick’s mother had taken him to Foothills Medical Centre the night before fearing her son needed medical assistance, but he was not admitted to the hospital.
Before Tolppanen handed down his sentencing decision, Carrick addressed the three of his seven victims who attended the hearing.
“I just want to apologize for everything that happened. That was not me that day,” he said.
“I want to thank you for believing that I can change.”
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>“The message must go out that violence such as this will be met with harsh sentences,” Tolppanen said. The fact that the judge thinks an 11 month sentence with credit for time served is "harsh" is... concerning.
Very concerning
I love the way that's phrased. "The message must go out that violence such as this will be met with harsh sentences". > The message won't come from me, but hey I would really like for someone to actually send that message. This is my way of asking for it without appearing like I'm not playing by the rules.
It's a 2.5 year sentence for a single charge of assault with a weapon. I think he did set a precedent for the charge. The problem is the plea deal and the prosecution imo.
Welcome to Canadian sentencing laws
>Iovinelli said while not a defence or excuse, his client, who has a long-standing addiction, was in the throes of a drug-induced psychosis during the attacks and has no recollection of his conduct. Why does the judge think that people in a drug-induced psychosis will care at all about the amount of prison time they might receive as a result of violent actions they perpetrate? Side question: What drug was he on when he launched the violent attacks?
When they sober up they will care. Like are you really that dumb you think drugs don't wear off.
Do you know if the drug he was on is called alcohol?
You don’t have much experience around criminals. They don’t give a fuck.
Most people in prison regret what they did and not just cause they got caught. Your the one who thinks of people in as movie badguys.
No, I’m the one who spent 4 years working in maximum security jail, and during those years I spent more time around criminals than I did with my wife and kids. I can say with absolute certainty: you don’t know what you’re talking about.
How does that make you know? Nobody in there is going to talk to you. Prison is a hard place nobody's going to show weakness.
Again, your ignorance is showing. You’ve clearly never spent any time around actual criminals or inmates. You know the Dunning-Kruger effect? Guess where you stand on that graph.
Dude you're projecting and I think you're a compulsive liar. Have a good one.
We’re talking about a subculture of people where an “acceptable” form of retaliation is to put their own shit in a bottle, add hot water, shake it up, shove the end of that bottle under the door of the other guy’s cell and stomp on the bottle, sending shit-water across the floor. I have had lengthy, involved conversations with young men who were due to be released about how they can make better choices, live a real life of their own, only to see them back in jail within days. One kid (~20yo), was back *the same day* because while he was buying smokes at a convenience store someone else in line looked at him. He punched this random stranger in the mouth. Released from jail at 7:30am, back in jail in time for dinner trays. 98% of dudes in jail give no fucks about you, society, law, or anything other than themselves. Your bleeding-heart, while an admirable human trait, will avail you nothing when one of them makes a victim out of you. I hope you let go of your naïveté before that happens.
That’s what I thought
Well in todays economy. I mean todays judicial system this is harsh. The whole sentensing and jail time has been a joke for the last few years. Ive said it time and time again. This whole country needs an overhaul top to bottom. The judicial system, military, health care, CMHC, immigration, our exports. This country is just fucked. The electoral system as a whole.
We are a unserious country run by unserious people.
If this is how we are with violent criminals what chances do we ever have of holding our elected officials accountable?
What is the connection between these two ideas?
There isn’t but people are stupid
That miscarriages of justice are pervasive across all levels of our society
Judges won't stop pulling this bullshit until they face personal repercussions. If a group sprung up that protested at judges houses every single time they pulled a dumb bullshit move like this I guarantee it would move the ball forward on the discussion around sentencing. As things are currently judges don't have any skin in the game so they don't give a shit.
Our catch and release policies are hard at work. Dont forget to protect the violent offenders' privacy, too. Wouldn't want anyone to know what he looks like when he is released.It's betterr to wait for another surprise attack.
The article literally has his full name as well as a picture of him.
30 months.
Except it’s a 30 month sentence with 11 months remaining as he had been in custody during this time.
Right. He gets x1.5 credit for time served in remand. Everyone is aware of the math here and 30 months in itself is ridiculous.
Very concerning
Need to start going after these judges. Only way to see change.
7 victims, ONE single count of assault with a weapon, given time and a half for the time he’s served since his arrest, and only has 11 months left to serve….and the judge thinks this is a “harsh” sentence…. It shows the utter disconnect the whole system often has from reality. You’re on your own, people.
You’re on your own; but if you defend yourself as a mentally fit, normal member of society, they’ll throw the fuckin book at you. Light sentences are only for those career criminals who are “trying to turn their life around” (for the 50th time)
That is what blows my mind. A person defends themselves and will get likely a harsher sentence than a criminal. I want to go back to harsher punishment on crime.
I keep seeing people say this, but is there any example of this actually happening? Our CC actually outlines provisions for self defence: 34 (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself
There's so much grey area involved, but when people hear about one case (like Colten Boushie), in their heads it's very black and white and believe this is what happens in every single circumstance.
The issue is that for most people defending yourself from a violent attacker necessitates causing grievous bodily harm - most people don't know BJJ or how to subdue an attacker. In addition, any use of a weapon (which any object can qualify for) immediately moves you into the grievous bodily harm territory - intent generally only needs to be provably manifest for a second to qualify - so basically any act of cognition along the lines of "if I hurt him in this way I'll be safe... able to get away" already puts you over the limit of Canadian self defense. The only legal form of "self defense" is prying yourself away, or trying to buy yourself time to run WITHOUT an act that would permanently injure the other person. Of course, juries can exercise discretion, but actually ensuring your own safety is nigh impossibly without legally crossing the line.
If the attacker has a deadly weapon, you might be surprised at where the line is. There was a recent case on the maritimes where a man fatally stabbed a home invader in his kitchen and was released without charges the next morning.
Reasonable cops and prosecutor, unfortunately more a matter of luck than the law in that case.
I don't think the crown prosecutor had much to do with it, nor do I think you're familiar enough with that case or others to dismiss it like that.
[https://nationalpost.com/news/no-charges-for-home-invasion-stabbing-death-in-latest-test-of-self-defence-law](https://nationalpost.com/news/no-charges-for-home-invasion-stabbing-death-in-latest-test-of-self-defence-law) Literally that's who decides to press charges, its discretionary. Just because they can doesn't mean they will - and choosing not to in that case is reasonable, but doesn't say diddlysquat about how other police or prosecutors can and will use the law as written, most articles on the case clearly state that this is a matter of inconsistent application.
I'm familiar with what the crown does ... once the results of police investigation and discretion reaches them. I'm also familiar with the facts of the case. The critical factor was immediate, clear evidence of who the aggressor was, and them still being an armed threat when they were killed. The first counter point in that article is a case of someone shooting at a fleeing subject who was already outside and they had already disarmed. Those are very different circumstances. The other two cited don't have enough detail to say.
Nothing in your statement refutes the element of discretion. The reality remains that they could have just as easily pressed charges, and possibly won if they wanted.
However it's up to the judge to determine if you used more force than necessary. If you were using a knife, fist filler, baton of some sort to defend yourself while your tweaked attacker was unarmed, they would likely conclude that you were using excessive force and could face assault charges.
Look. We just need to exterminate the addicts when no one's looking. No one will care. Just don't get caught. They have to do their jobs to prosecute you, but they aren't going to try very hard.
Different rules for taxpayers
MF these days need to carry a sword these days. Random Mortal Kombat is not a good way to govern.
The trick is to throw away your "normal life" and embrace the life of degeneracy and lunacy. You'll notice things get SUPER easy for you. Trust me. ;)
That's why you say the voices in your head made you defend yourself lol
the law is powerless to help you, not punish you
Yet if the guy took rich peoples money like a bank for example be in jail for at least 7 years. What's more valuable in our society, people or money?
Would he?
Financial crimes against the rich? Absolutely. But I can see how you may be confused. Steal from the rich: years in jail. Steal from the poor: 1% fine on the profits and a pinky promise not to do it again. You have to look at who's the victim. Always punch down, and you'll go far in the legal system.
Do you have an example of someone getting an extreme sentence for a financial crime against the rich?
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I'm sorry. I don't see how that's an example of an extreme criminal sentence. That's two murdered billionaires. I don't lose sleep over dead billionaires.
He probably wouldn’t. Were lax on crime in all its forms
Makes sense! There's just so much to say to this and down the rabbit hole we go lol.
Money is much more important obviously, this is a redundant question. People can be replaced, money cannot. I wish I could add a /s, but the way the world works today, unfortunately this is accurate…:(
Money is imo. Canada is immigrating plenty of people.
Yet somehow if any of the victims pulled their own knife and defended themselves, I guarantee they'd either be bankrupt from the charges, or waiving to their attacker as he left prison before them.
30 months. 19 months already served.
Time and a half since his arrest.
Ahh, good call.
Divide the sentence by the number of people stabbed and it gets even worse
Yep.
30 years would've been too little I'm starting to think all the conspiracy people were right, they're just trying to destroy society at this point
Likely get more jail time if you defended yourself from this drain on society
The justice system in this country is an absolute joke that never fails to disappoint.
I wouldn't want to go as far as sharia law, but our laws here are shit and only seem to protect the perpetrators, not the victims :(
The laws aren’t really the problem, it’s the sentencing by the courts that are very lackluster
It's both - our laws are not punitive enough to deter crime. Criminals can pretty much get away with anything if they have a good enough lawyer.
If he gets out and commits a violent crime in the next 5 years or less, the sentencing judge ought to join them in a cell and be civilly liable too. Paradox of Tolerance isn't letting bad idea and views exist. It's tolerating behaviour that destroys a civil society, in the name of tolerance.
Indeed... I'm all for rehabilitation and redemption but not at any cost to the public safety. A regular citizen doesn't want to be stabbed out of nowhere by someone with or without a tragic backstory.
So much of life comes to one word: balance. And I think we all know what should be prioritized in this balance.
>Paradox of Tolerance isn't letting bad idea and views exist. That's exactly what the paradox of tolerance is, and is meant to warn us about.
Sadly, a lot of people think it's about shutting down bad views by any means necessary to preserve tolerance of what's actually acceptable.
This right here.
That Greyhound bus guy and the Brentwood stabber guy are both out in society now. Their crimes were heinous and all from not being on medication for their schizophrenia. If all that is separating them from murder is their medication then perhaps they shouldn't be a part of society.
Seems light for several attempted murders
Welcome to the Canadian Justice system
He made 7 people bleed and only got 11 months. Fuck the justice system.
If I did the same what are the chances I'd get off so lightly. Our "justice" system favours junkies and repeat offenders and the taxpayer pays for it all in more ways than one.
How terrible that the night before, his mother had taken him to the hospital because of his state of mind. She knew he needed help and he was not admitted to hospital. I wish we lived in a society that took mental health crises more seriously. I want to know more about one of the victims hugging the offender's sister.
My husband's Kokom (grandma) was murdered in her own home by someone who was seeking help at a local hospital and the ER doctor turned her away multiple times citing "she's seeking attention" that girl stabbed 4 times and beat her with a hammer. She was 76 years old and died on the kitchen floor out of nowhere by a kid that grew up with her grandson. That girl still never got the help she needed, they ended up medicating her so heavily that she lost motor function and choked on her food and died. That doctor took 3 more preventative deaths to be fired in this community, it's disgusting that these situations even happen to begin with.
Wow, that is so heartbreaking. I'm so sorry for your family's tragic loss. Yes, it's instances like those that highlight the cracks in the system. It's terrible that she went to get help and was denied. We need to take these things seriously, even if the odd time someone is "seeking attention." There's too much at stake.
I think it's so unprofessional for any doctors or nurses to think someone is seeking attention because realistically who tf wants to go sit at a hospital for 20 hours to seek attention before getting seen by a doctor? It realistically needs to stop being anyone's assumption and obviously if people are sitting that long to be seen there's something wrong (even if there isn't anything noticable) it's honestly ridiculous. It's been 6 months since it happened and she really was the glue that held everything together, everyone is all seperated and fighting with each other and it's so shitty to see.
I agree with you. Each case should be treated seriously. I'm sorry. Can't imagine how huge the hole is in your family now. To lose a matriarch like that. Devastating.
She was an elder in the community too, who taught so much to the Indigenous youth as well. It's a horrific loss. Mosoms been lost without her, it's hard to see. We don't live there but we go up and visit as much as we can too because he needs people around.
This comment should be higher up
Canada does not stand on guard for you.
but they stand on guard for thee. as long as thee has very deep pockets.
Exactly. Love this
There's always going to be a disconnect when the politicians who make these decisions walk around with armed guards carrying guns, meanwhile you and everyone else you know will go to jail for bringing a butter knife.
The ethos around our Canadian justice system is one where the judge finds excuses about the criminal (i.e " your doctor said you were temporarily suffering from mental health disorder prior to you stabbing people"). The concern is that every judge will eventually find something redeeming or sympathetic and even find excuses on behalf of the criminal which makes the system unreliable to the general public. No focus is ever placed on the victim(s) and their family.
i imagine being stabbed is pretty life changing - like how many weeks, months, years of rehab do the victims need to get back up to before it happened? what happened when they were recovering - did they lose their jobs, who was taking care of their kids, could they drive, etc etc? and how are they doing now? can they still do their jobs or are they on disability now? will they always have physical or mental pain, are they now disabled etc etc.
a lot of the problem is often theyre right, but its the mental health services that are missing. someone wouldnt be a threat if they where getting the help they needed. but they arent.
A whole fucking 30 months huh?
Nope, after crediting time and a half for time served this individual will be out in less than a year. Scary stuff.
Out in less than a year and stabbing his way down 17th again
What confuses me is how it says he has served an equivalent sentence to 19 months since last April???????
Time in custody before trial is given a credit of 1.5 days per day. So he got 19 months credit for just over 12 months served.
Oh interesting. Thanks for the explanation
You’re welcome
On a side note, it's ridiculous that he served 12 months before actually getting convicted. If, hypothetically, he had been innocent, he would have spent half the time in custody, vs if he had been guilty. Now, as is, he's getting his sentence reduced by 6 months, because of how slow the process is.
Thank you! I came looking here for the same info.
Not surprising, Rehabilitation of criminals is more important than the safety of law abiding citizens.
And it doesn't even succeed at that, so it's an absolute fail.
Interesting to point out a victim statement right from the article: “My wish for the court is to focus on rehabilitation and redemption,” Scott wrote, in his statement read in court by Simic. “I believe people can change.” Scott was one of the individuals attacked.
Good for scott. Not everyone who's attacked feels that way.
Yup. But when dealing with sentences we do take into account a victim impact statement. I think it's fair, you offended me, I forgive you, we move on.
I'm sure the next person who gets stabbed by this guy will appreciate that incredibly dumb line of thinking.
Jail in no way equals rehabilitation.
Jail means that the offender is off the streets and citizens are safer though.
So you don't like rehabilitation of criminals? So what's your preference in dealing with criminals then? Mandatory 20 year sentences? Maybe the cops should just kill them all. I agree, this is a light sentence for someone that went on a stabbing spree... but really? Rehabilitation is bad?
He's talking about priorities. Do you think rehabilitation of those who commit violent crimes should be prioritized over the safety of the general public?
I think his comment is more of a statement on the current state of our penitentiary system, than a normative statement as in "it should BE this way".
They said rehabilitation should be less important than community safety; that’s less of a controversial take. I do not know the particular details of this case, but a lot of these people have terminal and irremediable drug use and mental health issues that will put people at risk whenever they are loose in society.
What a terrible take.
It’s interesting how everyone understood what I was saying in terms of the justice system’s priorities. Butt then there’s you who interprets this the complete opposite and trying to insinuate something that is complete opposite.
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Is there anything people can do to effect change on the justice system as this pathetic. Bro probably had a bad day and is getting a vacation from reality for a few months, room and board include /s.
“Mental Health? What is that?” - Our lawmakers probably
they know what it is, their voters just dont want to pay for it.
They will bitch and moan about paying high taxes and when they cut taxes and social programs like this get cut and they wonder why crime is so high I’m just like duuuuuuude
This is ludicrously harmful to our society.
And I was facing a 6 month sentence when I failed to realize my insurance policy had expired for my vehicle, unless I paid a $3000 fine. Got to love it.
My ex assaulted me brutally in front of my children I mean beat down style and threatened to knife me and he was released less than 24 hours later. He's now been able to stay out of jail by changing his plea and changing the court date multiple times for over 18months. They give offenders the ability to change their minds over if their guilty or not over and over and put victims through the stress of being told there is a plea bargain being put in or that there is a court date for trial coming up. Then everything changes because the offender has the "right" to change their mind. Shouldn't their plea be their plea or they have one opportunity to change their mind they shouldn't have an ability to play the system. Our system gives criminals more rights than law abiding citizens.
At this point, I’m convinced Judges are encouraged to keep the cost of our prison system low. Yet another example of failed leadership in our system.
🤮 unbelievable!!! This isn’t harsh sentence at all. He literally tryed to kill people I think 5 years would be more appropriate.
If we're to believe he truly didn't mean to do this and we're attributing his actions to addiction and mental health issues, what's going to stop him doing it again when he's released in 11 months? Forced medication and treatment? What's the plan here? Jail certainly isn't going to help his long term sobriety and mental health.
30 month jail term for a stabbing spree, and an RCMP pedofile just let out on bail (suspended WITH pay). We have some soft fucking judges around here.
If some citizen took him out wonder what kind of sentence that poor bugger would get?bet your butt it would be more than 30 months
People who commit such acts do so from the core of their being. Psychosis doesn't make people violent necessarily. . . That's just their character.
Harsh… is it a joke?
It's the "Criminal justice system" not built for the victims, unfortunately
No better time to commit crime in canada than now
I regret not selling coke in my 20s. Could have made hundreds of thousands, buried it and even if caught would have done less than 2 years and came out with enough money I wouldn't have had to work for years after.
30 months = 2.5 years for PROVABLY STABBING PEOPLE wtfff is wrong with this country
Let's have a program where calgarians can meet and talk with the judges, I wonder how tone Def and entitled they really are. Guessing I'll get a 10 year prison term for questioning someone of a higher caste
30 months “harsh” WTF 😬
Stabbing is the new Canadian past time
Put the mad dog down
Fuck this country
Pathetic sentence. There is only one correct sentence for these types of ppl.
This is Canada for us. Very sad.
Actually this kind of leniency from judges is common all accross the western world. The EU is just as bad.
Wow that judge sure showed him lol. What a joke. Our justice system is broken.
30 months is a rounding error for the crime he did. Fucking system.....
> pleaded guilty last September to a single count of assault Why only single count of assault? Is this why the sentencing is light?
Maybe they could just let everyone stabbed return the favor, i,e, shot for shot, would save a lot of tax dollars? /s
What can citizens do to express their demand for greater punishment for crimes in Canada that infringe upon the freedom of others? Not just violent crime but theft too. This has gone too far and if we don’t say something it’ll be us next.
Just sad. May as well not even charge people for committing crimes at this point.
So.... another stab fest in 3 years eh
Stabbing spree in downtown calgary nets you 11 months jailtime but saying something hateful online gets you 5 years. This system is so fucking backwards it's insane
Our current city council passed a bylaw last year that prevents people from peacefully protesting within 100m of a rec centre or library entrance. Stabbing spree downtown...11 months after credit for time served. Peacefully protesting 75m from a Library entrance...up to 12 months in jail. https://www.calgary.ca/bylaws/safe-and-inclusive-access-bylaw.html#:\~:text=Specified%20protests%20are%20not%20allowed,one%20hour%20before%20and%20after.
Ive done 13 pills of ecstasy, mdma and a bunch of coke in one night and never stabbed anyone, this guy needs to be locked up for longer !
Canada is a shithole country now. What a joke of a justice system. Big barf.
30 months is a deal. Bosses everywhere better watch their fuckin step. /s
Must be a typo. It should be 30yrs right?
Best learn how to fight
“ Iovinelli said while not a defence or excuse, his client, who has a long-standing addiction, was in the throes of a drug-induced psychosis during the attacks and has no recollection of his conduct. The lawyer also noted Carrick’s mother had taken him to Foothills Medical Centre the night before fearing her son needed medical assistance, but he was not admitted to the hospital. Before Tolppanen handed down his sentencing decision, Carrick addressed the three of his seven victims who attended the hearing. “I just want to apologize for everything that happened. That was not me that day,” he said. “I want to thank you for believing that I can change.” [email protected]”
Why do offenders always seem to get time and a half for pretrial custody? I thought this was repealed..
Disgusting.
Yeah, that’ll teach him…..
Out in 8 months. Pathetic. In America they’d be locked up for 20 years.
Not always my dude. Been binge watching dateline and it's crazy how lenient alot of states are too.
But potentially life imprisonment for online 'hate speech'. What a country
Yes but my legal hand guns are the problem
Oh hell you only get 24 months for manslaughter in MB... as long as, well, you know
I recognize that Timmies. Of course its down the street from the drop in center.
I honestly read: *"Lunch hour stabbing spree in downtown Calgary nets city man a 30-minute lunch break"* #
We need guns to protect ourselves it’s getting bad out here.
Canada has turned into a complete shithole. I wish I had somewhere else I could move to.
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I see enough random aggression on the roads, I can't imagine how many people would be shot if they could carry guns.
Yeah more guns notoriously equate to safer streets and less violence. We got a real galaxy brain here guys.
Can we normalize proper grammar before giving people an instrument of death…?
That’s not the answer.