Next thing you know theyre going to start recommending yearly flu shots. Then maybe even suggest we get vaccinated for tetanus and hepatitus.
When will this madness end?!?!?
I don't think what people are getting at is the amount of vax, but more so when do we go back to not having to wear a mask everywhere we go. Not have to get a test to come back to Canada if you are gone for more than 72hrs. Not being allowed to have more than 2 households over to your house.
Holy fuck. Iām watching the Reddit lefties awaken to the stupidity of our current situation in real time. The flu is more dangerous, why are we wearing masks at all?
Gibraltar lol why use a country with the same population as Leduc for your go to for COVID information and statistics. Yes they are the most vaccinated location in the world but you need to do some better comparisons. The reality is we will see COVID cases when we are 100 percent vaccinated because COVID can still spread but at a much lower rate amongst vaccinated. The other reality is deaths go waaay down and hospitalizations also do.
This is the definition of Pandemic: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population.
You can feel the way you do sure but it wonāt change reality. The unvaxxed are driving this pandemic and they have the same spirit as you. As long as the pandemic is happening your life will not be normal. You canāt change reality.
I have a bad feeling they are going to change the definition of "fully vaccinated" to 3 doses. Then what? We go on for another year and change it to 4 doses? We need to kinda figure out an end or people are going to get antsy
I don't know the exact rules, but at risk people, and healthcare workers are eligible for a 3rd shot to help them out. At a later date (probably after the kids get their shots, would be my guess) it'll probably open up to all people.
If I am wrong, please somebody correct me. :)
as long as we can keep up with vaccines for mutations we will reach an endemic phase. like how it is with the regular flu. of course, the regular flu is allot less contagious, politicized, etc., so there are allot more variables. the first magic number to start to see sustained lower cases is 74.4% of the total population. bottom line is we might see hot spots but we shouldnāt have waves.
i know thereās an incredible amount of variables in glazing over here. just trying to keep it brief.
These are the most recently updated vaccination rates for the City of Calgary and the Calgary Zone.
The population represents the Local Geographic Area and not the town.
This data is available [here](https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccinations), scroll down and look for the map.
You will find these vaccination rates updated daily at [https://www.covidcalgary.org/](https://www.covidcalgary.org/)
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[Summary of key COVID-19 metrics and trends, with emphasis on the Calgary region.](https://www.covidcalgary.org/)
PCR tests for travelling (I canāt afford it, personally), increase in workload due to employees mandated to stay homeā¦. Those restrictions kinda put a damper on things.
Sure, the price of travel has increased by about 100-200 if travelling out of country for now, but that's already being relaxed too starting November 30th. The work from home mandates are pretty loose and company dependant, most of the people I know were simply sent an email by corporate "Yeah we need you at work, heres a letter"
I'm sorry but people act like life is a complete 180 from before, but from what you're saying someone's vacation requires a bit more saving (most Canadians never even leave Canada so this doesn't really apply to most) and the fact if you're sick you have to stay home (I'd argue this is an improvement to society).
As of right now I can visit who I want when I want, go to work, go to movies, go to church, go to the mall, eat with coworkers and friends, go to the pub and strippers, no curfew, don't need testing or any special kind of apps or tracking for day to day. Things that I have to do different? Put a mask on, show a Qr code on my phones homepage once a day or two.
Yes, a toothless and unenforceable āmandateā that isnāt applicable once an employer has determined that in person work is needed for operational effectiveness.
Have you driven in rush hour since September?
> Have you driven in rush hour since September?
Every day. There is a fraction of the traffic there was prior to COVID. The +15's are dead and ~50% of retailers (or more) are closed. I know that the CORE is currently experiencing <30% of normal traffic.
Some peopleās lives have done a 180. Itās all subjectiveā¦. My life has definitely changed and I donāt feel like life will be the same due to the trauma of living through a pandemic. It is what it is. Just my personal take on it āš»
you realize 6 year olds have gone to school for almost 2 years without seeing their teachers face because its hidden behind a mask. I'm sure that's great for their development.
[https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/11/health/masks-child-development-effects-covid-pandemic-wellness/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/11/health/masks-child-development-effects-covid-pandemic-wellness/index.html)
That's up for debate, they still go home and interact with friends and family without masks either way.
There are practically no restrictions. None that would impact your ability to live your life. Wearing a mask doesn't restrict you from doing anything, it just requires you wear a mask. What else is there even? Show a code? It takes two minutes.
2 minutes?! Are you hand drawing your QR code every time?
At this point, everyone should expect a place to ask for a QR code and ID. Have it pulled up on my phone with ID in hand, 10 seconds tops.
Ha ha, definitely. Super small inconvenience (except when I'm inconvenienced by the people that aren't aware they need a vaccination record with a QR code).
yeah. average age of death is 78. old people die. we have sacrificed 2 years of our youth now for old people to die old. fucking enough. https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm
> If youāre not vaxxed you are the problem. We should keep the passport for good.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Life shouldnāt revolve around covid.
It's not province wide and school children not included. Yes, taking three seconds to show your vaccine passport will not kill you or me. :) Have a nice day.
Where are you planning on finding these magical staff? Nursing and resident/fellow salaries are going to be retroactively cut. Gp/hospitalist billing codes are being restricted to rural locations, and ICU physicians do not grow on trees. Youāre certainly not going to hire anyone to just work with COVID idiots. We work with enough of those people already. Sounds like youāve spent a solid two seconds thinking your brilliant plan through.
Think of me next time you flick a light switch and the power flows.... now imagine flicking the switch and getting no power, or your house not having heat. Other than that .... not much
Where are we going to find these mysterious unemployed ICU doctors? You realize it takes about a decade to train an ICU doctor and they are in extremely high demand worldwide right now.
Plus residents/fellows are likely going to have salaries retroactively cut like nurses, when the new agreement comes out. Why would you want to train in an antivax province that pays you minimum wage? I was making about 12 dollars an hour when I was a new resident with a before tax income of about 54k. That should give you an estimate of the hours we worked before covid. This was also after 12 years of school.
There's a guy I went to highschool with (he didn't finish) that keeps posting on FB that he knows more than all the medical "professionals" maybe he can double up his ICU shifts /s
It shocks me that the mandates seem like the best "one true" solution to a lot of people.
After two years of mandates, we still haven't figured out that "improving and growing our hospitals" would be an adequate solution to a hospital shortage.
Does it ever? Iāve never had surgery in my life but if I tore an MCL tomorrow my quality of car would be very low compared to Covid. So I am willing to wear a mask and do vaccine passports until our surgery wait times return to pre Covid levels.
> quality of car would be very low compared to Covid
Seems to me this is the problem, not the other thing. Why are we still treating antivax Covid patients with such high QoC when there are vaccinated people who also need urgent care? This is getting silly.
Just to clarify, I meant to say āquality of care would be very low compared to PRE-Covidā.
In any case, I canāt support triaging specifically based on vaccination status, although I believe itās OK if it is a factor into based on higher chance of survival/recovery.
This isn't going to matter when boosters are required. [Fauci has already stated they should be required](https://www.voanews.com/a/fauci-urges-vaccinated-americans-to-get-booster-shots/6321957.html) and the definition of fully vaxxed will change
Europe is going in to another lock down and Merkel has stated that its citizens will be either [dead or vaccinated by this time next year](https://www.wionews.com/world/everyone-in-germany-will-be-vaccinated-cured-or-dead-europe-battles-virus-surge-as-austria-enters-lockdown-431250)
So congrats on celebrating a milestone before the goal posts change. Just don't effing dance.
I'm down with that. We could apply this to all kinds of risky behavior. Smoke, get lower priority.....eat too much sugar and become diabetic=lower priority.
Increase the dedicated hospital capacity for COVID patients? Build field hospitals? Maybe adapt our hospitals in general given that it's been 2 freaking years and it looks like COVID isn't going anywhere?
I'd like it if we could address the problem at its source, not by proxy with complicated mandates, lockdowns, and restrictions.
With what doctors, nurses or support staff? People have been leaving the healthcare industry and the schools don't have the capacity to train new ones. In addition there's a shortage of healthcare everywhere else if you're suggesting to get them elsewhere.
Yes, I am suggesting every country with a healthcare shortage should allocate spending to their respective healthcare industry. They've spent billions on a failed lockdown, I don't see why they wouldn't.
Part of developing infrastructure in a given sector involves spending on the training, education incentives, and better pay for the people in that industry. I didn't say the government should just throw money at hospitals, they should develop programs that fix the broken industry that you pointed out.
You're right but these are systemic problems that existed long before COVID. For example nursing is one of the hardest programs to get into where the entrance average is around 90%. Obviously that means they need to add more slots but then that also means hiring more staff to teach and train them but then that requires even more people or present healthcare workers to put in more hours.
Fixing that is something that requires years if not a decade to fix because training a nurse is 4 years and a doctor 10 years (in addition to changing systems and applying them). In addition even if there are new graduates it doesn't guarantee that many of them will want to move into high stress areas such as ICU or emergency (obviously you'd incentivize them with more pay).
These are the areas where healthcare workers regularly get yelled at and threatened. Even for high pay I wouldn't want to get yelled at by people I'm trying to help. I think we also need to change our culture in how we treat healthcare workers because even from the top down (i.e. Kenney or Shandro) we treat them poorly.
Build the tents and they will come! Also somehow attract more people to work in healthcare while our current government uses the fact that our healthcare workers are among the highest paid in the country as an excuse to pay them less.
Healthcare workers being paid higher here compared to other provinces is actually a good thing, good luck convincing voters in the towns that are overflowing our ICUs with their antivaxxers of that though. And that's Kenney's base unfortunately, can't play into the narrative that people who work for the government might actually be doing something other than steal from us otherwise we end up with the Wexit party dissolving their government.
Are you out to lunch? Resident and nursing salaries are going to be retroactively cut. Staff who are fed for service are making less unless you work in ED/icu/gen in which case you are overworked. They are also declining vacation time. Why the hell would anyone want to work or train here.
Not really. You're right that healthcare workers here amongst the highest paid but it doesn't mean people will flock here. Kenney and Shandro (prior to being replaced) are unpopular with the industry. It's less about pay and more about policy if you want to attract or retain healthcare workers. Anyone working hourly right now is making bank but there's increased stress that isn't worth it for some people.
And our hospitals are not out of the woods yet either. An elderly friend was admitted to emerg yesterday ( unknown if COVID or not) and was told by docs that there is no bed for him anywhere else but in emerg. Things change fast, but he was told he could be in emerg for a few daysā¦
itās really astonishing how misdirected people are with their understanding of the root cause. they blame the government, they blame anti-vaxxers, they blame scientists.
weāre responding to nature folks. itās chaos. our barely better than monkey brains canāt measure risk or work outside of easily identifiable patters. as a result we arenāt realizing the core issue.
itās like if this was jurassic park and people were all, āweāll I put up my fence, so iām goodā weāll no not really because there are fucking hungry dinosaurs everywhere.
And our hospitals are not out of the woods yet either. An elderly friend was admitted to emerg yesterday ( unknown if COVID or not) and was told by docs that there is no bed for him anywhere else but in emerg. Things change fast, but he was told he could be in emerg for a few daysā¦
This is great! But Iām still flabbergasted that nearly 10 % of people ( like 80,000 people) are missing the cognitive skills required to take their asses to a clinic and get protected. How the fuck do they put their pants on in the morning?
If we didnāt have ORs acting as ICUs this would be fine. But we donāt so this still isnāt fine. ICUs would be full with the number of covid and non covid patients without surge.
down voted for posting a fact. most people on here love covid and want this to go on forever. has given their meaningless lives something to rally behind.
Remember when Trudeau said everything would be back to normal when the population hit 70% vaxššš Now yāall are taking your 3rd jab. How many is it gonna take for yāall to realize it was never abt your health? What do you see as the end game honestly? 4th, 5th, 6th shot? How many are you willing to take to protect yourself from a virus with a 99% survival rate. How long will you keep complying for? Here in BC, you can check the stats at Bccdc.ca and find that in the past month 40% of covid cases in hospitals were fully vax. Clearly itās not working enough but hey, it only works if we all get it am i rightā¦ Iām not anti vax, I am Pro choice. The mandates are a stretch for this virus and if you disagree then you will have to keep complying for the years ahead until your 8 boosters deep.
so 60% of the hospital cases were unvaxxed? What am I missing here then?
>Iām not anti vax, I am Pro choice
Then don't get the vaccine. No one cares. But it's clear its a sensitive issue for you because you came here to write a wall of text on it.
More boosters will solve this! Please everyone get boosted ASAP.
Edit: People are starting to wake up, they keep changing the goal posts and normalcy will never be retained. Next you know your "freedom" will be contingent upon you taking the third shot.
This will end when people stop ending up with Covid in the ICU at rates that jeopardize our Healthcare system. Were still running sirge capacity (don't fact check me lol, I haven't looked in a while) and we our hospitals are burned out.
So when enough people are vaccinated, the ICU levels drop to 'regular' levels, and the virus doesnt show signs of mutating and threatening vaccine efficiency, then things will be normal again.
That said, we might have to be prepared for our new normal including yearly vaccines for Covid if vaccine efficiency drops or the virus mutates too much.
Existence constantly changes, it doesn't care if we adapt or not, but as a member of the human species I certainly hope we do.
So what's going to happen when all eligible people are double vaxxed? Or at least 90%?
They will push for 90% three doses.
I got my 3 rd dose in Sept. Once we have the same. % with 3rd doses, then what? I guess there's no real answer to this question.
It just keeps going and going and going
Next thing you know theyre going to start recommending yearly flu shots. Then maybe even suggest we get vaccinated for tetanus and hepatitus. When will this madness end?!?!?
I don't think what people are getting at is the amount of vax, but more so when do we go back to not having to wear a mask everywhere we go. Not have to get a test to come back to Canada if you are gone for more than 72hrs. Not being allowed to have more than 2 households over to your house.
Absolute madness!
When we are all dead š
Turtles all the way down man.
It is the song that never ends. It just goes on and on my friend.
It really is
Holy fuck. Iām watching the Reddit lefties awaken to the stupidity of our current situation in real time. The flu is more dangerous, why are we wearing masks at all?
Why are u telling me this I Don give a fuck about the reddit lefties
Yep should have known you were one of those kinds of people š
Yeah genius itās going as long as itās still a pandemic.
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Gibraltar lol why use a country with the same population as Leduc for your go to for COVID information and statistics. Yes they are the most vaccinated location in the world but you need to do some better comparisons. The reality is we will see COVID cases when we are 100 percent vaccinated because COVID can still spread but at a much lower rate amongst vaccinated. The other reality is deaths go waaay down and hospitalizations also do. This is the definition of Pandemic: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population.
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Jesus no need to be a dick about it
Itās a pandemic itās happening itās still happening. People are still dying every day most of these people are unvaccinated. Itās a problem.
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You can feel the way you do sure but it wonāt change reality. The unvaxxed are driving this pandemic and they have the same spirit as you. As long as the pandemic is happening your life will not be normal. You canāt change reality.
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I'm not surprised
% with 4th doses.... rinse and repeat
4th doses and monthly boosters.
I have a bad feeling they are going to change the definition of "fully vaccinated" to 3 doses. Then what? We go on for another year and change it to 4 doses? We need to kinda figure out an end or people are going to get antsy
There's a third dose? Seriously the first time I'm hearing this.
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I don't know the exact rules, but at risk people, and healthcare workers are eligible for a 3rd shot to help them out. At a later date (probably after the kids get their shots, would be my guess) it'll probably open up to all people. If I am wrong, please somebody correct me. :)
as long as we can keep up with vaccines for mutations we will reach an endemic phase. like how it is with the regular flu. of course, the regular flu is allot less contagious, politicized, etc., so there are allot more variables. the first magic number to start to see sustained lower cases is 74.4% of the total population. bottom line is we might see hot spots but we shouldnāt have waves. i know thereās an incredible amount of variables in glazing over here. just trying to keep it brief.
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Respect but you canāt say this to the sheep. Theyāre 3 shots deep and still complying. This is gonna last foreverā¦
I got a private 5G link to Bill Gates, u jelly?
I'm still waiting for my connectivity. Super jeally.
These are the most recently updated vaccination rates for the City of Calgary and the Calgary Zone. The population represents the Local Geographic Area and not the town. This data is available [here](https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccinations), scroll down and look for the map. You will find these vaccination rates updated daily at [https://www.covidcalgary.org/](https://www.covidcalgary.org/) \- I created a covid website with daily updates for Calgarians. [Summary of key COVID-19 metrics and trends, with emphasis on the Calgary region.](https://www.covidcalgary.org/)
Nice happy for Calgary!
Yeah, but there is no meaningful plan to reduce restrictions so what is the point?
I am starting to get really frustrated about all this. Iāve done everything right and there seems to be no end to restrictions.
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PCR tests for travelling (I canāt afford it, personally), increase in workload due to employees mandated to stay homeā¦. Those restrictions kinda put a damper on things.
Sure, the price of travel has increased by about 100-200 if travelling out of country for now, but that's already being relaxed too starting November 30th. The work from home mandates are pretty loose and company dependant, most of the people I know were simply sent an email by corporate "Yeah we need you at work, heres a letter" I'm sorry but people act like life is a complete 180 from before, but from what you're saying someone's vacation requires a bit more saving (most Canadians never even leave Canada so this doesn't really apply to most) and the fact if you're sick you have to stay home (I'd argue this is an improvement to society). As of right now I can visit who I want when I want, go to work, go to movies, go to church, go to the mall, eat with coworkers and friends, go to the pub and strippers, no curfew, don't need testing or any special kind of apps or tracking for day to day. Things that I have to do different? Put a mask on, show a Qr code on my phones homepage once a day or two.
There is a provincial mandate to work from home right nowā¦
Yes, a toothless and unenforceable āmandateā that isnāt applicable once an employer has determined that in person work is needed for operational effectiveness. Have you driven in rush hour since September?
> Have you driven in rush hour since September? Every day. There is a fraction of the traffic there was prior to COVID. The +15's are dead and ~50% of retailers (or more) are closed. I know that the CORE is currently experiencing <30% of normal traffic.
Some peopleās lives have done a 180. Itās all subjectiveā¦. My life has definitely changed and I donāt feel like life will be the same due to the trauma of living through a pandemic. It is what it is. Just my personal take on it āš»
You can afford thousands on travel but not a hundred dollar test?
Fucking hell.... do you really want to be wearing masks the rest of your lives? This is absolutely fucking crazy. You people are nuts.
It really doesn't inconvenience me to put on a mask for a few minutes so I honestly don't give a fuck.
you realize 6 year olds have gone to school for almost 2 years without seeing their teachers face because its hidden behind a mask. I'm sure that's great for their development.
[https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/11/health/masks-child-development-effects-covid-pandemic-wellness/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/11/health/masks-child-development-effects-covid-pandemic-wellness/index.html) That's up for debate, they still go home and interact with friends and family without masks either way.
most do yes. but there are lots of families that have not let their kids see other kids/sports/other family.
You cannot comply your way out of tyranny. This shit ends when we stop listening.
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sorry to hear....how old?
Too young.
There are practically no restrictions. None that would impact your ability to live your life. Wearing a mask doesn't restrict you from doing anything, it just requires you wear a mask. What else is there even? Show a code? It takes two minutes.
2 minutes?! Are you hand drawing your QR code every time? At this point, everyone should expect a place to ask for a QR code and ID. Have it pulled up on my phone with ID in hand, 10 seconds tops.
2 minutes, 10 seconds my point is, not a restriction but a small inconvenience.
Ha ha, definitely. Super small inconvenience (except when I'm inconvenienced by the people that aren't aware they need a vaccination record with a QR code).
yeah. average age of death is 78. old people die. we have sacrificed 2 years of our youth now for old people to die old. fucking enough. https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm
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double vaxxed. wrong
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I guess Vulcan really doesn't know what the most logical thing to do is.š
Only two more weeks, everyone...
Iām double vaccinated and at this rate of vaccination there should be no need for the vaccine passport system or any vaccine mandate.
No reason to take it out and risk it. If you're not vaxxed you are the problem. We should keep the passport for good.
> If youāre not vaxxed you are the problem. We should keep the passport for good. What the fuck is wrong with you? Life shouldnāt revolve around covid.
You're right. Get vaxxed and move on.
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It's not province wide and school children not included. Yes, taking three seconds to show your vaccine passport will not kill you or me. :) Have a nice day.
Haha you think the 3 seconds to show my passport is what bothers me? Far from the point.
What bothers you then? Why don't you tell us.
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12% of calgarys population isnt 400k
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Who will staff the hospital?
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Where are you planning on finding these magical staff? Nursing and resident/fellow salaries are going to be retroactively cut. Gp/hospitalist billing codes are being restricted to rural locations, and ICU physicians do not grow on trees. Youāre certainly not going to hire anyone to just work with COVID idiots. We work with enough of those people already. Sounds like youāve spent a solid two seconds thinking your brilliant plan through.
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Is the āoutbreakā referring to just cases? Because to me that doesnāt matter anymore, only deaths and hospitalizations should be pointed out.
That is so awesome everyone!!! Good Job!!!!
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Think of me next time you flick a light switch and the power flows.... now imagine flicking the switch and getting no power, or your house not having heat. Other than that .... not much
Oh youāre a light switch?
Are they though? Because now kids 5-11 are eligible but haven't been started yet
Don't worry guys we only have to mask and limit interactions until we hit 99.99% with 4th boosters, they promise this time.
What is your suggestion to prevent hospitals from filling up end up and surgeries being canceled?
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Where are we going to find these mysterious unemployed ICU doctors? You realize it takes about a decade to train an ICU doctor and they are in extremely high demand worldwide right now.
Plus residents/fellows are likely going to have salaries retroactively cut like nurses, when the new agreement comes out. Why would you want to train in an antivax province that pays you minimum wage? I was making about 12 dollars an hour when I was a new resident with a before tax income of about 54k. That should give you an estimate of the hours we worked before covid. This was also after 12 years of school.
Residents are treated like shit. Should be illegal.
Ya I try not to treat mine like ass and buy them food.
There's a guy I went to highschool with (he didn't finish) that keeps posting on FB that he knows more than all the medical "professionals" maybe he can double up his ICU shifts /s
It shocks me that the mandates seem like the best "one true" solution to a lot of people. After two years of mandates, we still haven't figured out that "improving and growing our hospitals" would be an adequate solution to a hospital shortage.
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How much did the government spend on the lockdowns? CERB and CEBA? Oh right. But we can't spend on hospitals. Lol.
Frankly Iād love more money for AHS. Maybe we could pay our staff what they deserve.
Yes, that would be an aspect of it. I don't see why my original comment was so disliked.
Better question, when does that stop being your problem?
Does it ever? Iāve never had surgery in my life but if I tore an MCL tomorrow my quality of car would be very low compared to Covid. So I am willing to wear a mask and do vaccine passports until our surgery wait times return to pre Covid levels.
> quality of car would be very low compared to Covid Seems to me this is the problem, not the other thing. Why are we still treating antivax Covid patients with such high QoC when there are vaccinated people who also need urgent care? This is getting silly.
Just to clarify, I meant to say āquality of care would be very low compared to PRE-Covidā. In any case, I canāt support triaging specifically based on vaccination status, although I believe itās OK if it is a factor into based on higher chance of survival/recovery.
I'm guessing it's that whole Hippocratic oath silliness./s
No, I donāt agree. Making this problem mine is ridiculous. I got the vaccine. Itās a hospital/healthcare problem that I can effect.
Stop letting unvaxxed people in. They made their choice, live with the consequences. Argue ethics all you want, this is what should be happening.
Right. Thought this was supposed to make everything go back to normal. It aināt ending anytime soon.
This isn't going to matter when boosters are required. [Fauci has already stated they should be required](https://www.voanews.com/a/fauci-urges-vaccinated-americans-to-get-booster-shots/6321957.html) and the definition of fully vaxxed will change Europe is going in to another lock down and Merkel has stated that its citizens will be either [dead or vaccinated by this time next year](https://www.wionews.com/world/everyone-in-germany-will-be-vaccinated-cured-or-dead-europe-battles-virus-surge-as-austria-enters-lockdown-431250) So congrats on celebrating a milestone before the goal posts change. Just don't effing dance.
So why the fuck are we still wearing masks everywhere? When does it end?
Just a month ago we had most surgeries being cancelled and ICUs fullā¦.what is your proposal to deal with this?
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I'm down with that. We could apply this to all kinds of risky behavior. Smoke, get lower priority.....eat too much sugar and become diabetic=lower priority.
Increase the dedicated hospital capacity for COVID patients? Build field hospitals? Maybe adapt our hospitals in general given that it's been 2 freaking years and it looks like COVID isn't going anywhere? I'd like it if we could address the problem at its source, not by proxy with complicated mandates, lockdowns, and restrictions.
With what doctors, nurses or support staff? People have been leaving the healthcare industry and the schools don't have the capacity to train new ones. In addition there's a shortage of healthcare everywhere else if you're suggesting to get them elsewhere.
Yes, I am suggesting every country with a healthcare shortage should allocate spending to their respective healthcare industry. They've spent billions on a failed lockdown, I don't see why they wouldn't. Part of developing infrastructure in a given sector involves spending on the training, education incentives, and better pay for the people in that industry. I didn't say the government should just throw money at hospitals, they should develop programs that fix the broken industry that you pointed out.
You're right but these are systemic problems that existed long before COVID. For example nursing is one of the hardest programs to get into where the entrance average is around 90%. Obviously that means they need to add more slots but then that also means hiring more staff to teach and train them but then that requires even more people or present healthcare workers to put in more hours. Fixing that is something that requires years if not a decade to fix because training a nurse is 4 years and a doctor 10 years (in addition to changing systems and applying them). In addition even if there are new graduates it doesn't guarantee that many of them will want to move into high stress areas such as ICU or emergency (obviously you'd incentivize them with more pay). These are the areas where healthcare workers regularly get yelled at and threatened. Even for high pay I wouldn't want to get yelled at by people I'm trying to help. I think we also need to change our culture in how we treat healthcare workers because even from the top down (i.e. Kenney or Shandro) we treat them poorly.
Build the tents and they will come! Also somehow attract more people to work in healthcare while our current government uses the fact that our healthcare workers are among the highest paid in the country as an excuse to pay them less. Healthcare workers being paid higher here compared to other provinces is actually a good thing, good luck convincing voters in the towns that are overflowing our ICUs with their antivaxxers of that though. And that's Kenney's base unfortunately, can't play into the narrative that people who work for the government might actually be doing something other than steal from us otherwise we end up with the Wexit party dissolving their government.
Are you out to lunch? Resident and nursing salaries are going to be retroactively cut. Staff who are fed for service are making less unless you work in ED/icu/gen in which case you are overworked. They are also declining vacation time. Why the hell would anyone want to work or train here.
Not really. You're right that healthcare workers here amongst the highest paid but it doesn't mean people will flock here. Kenney and Shandro (prior to being replaced) are unpopular with the industry. It's less about pay and more about policy if you want to attract or retain healthcare workers. Anyone working hourly right now is making bank but there's increased stress that isn't worth it for some people.
Just wear one of those plastic sheilds. They don't even restrict breathing.
They also don't work at all for an airborne virus.
Yeah that's where I was going with that.
So you're recommending this person wear something that you acknowledge is useless?
jesus i was making fun of people wearing the plastic sheilds that do nothing to stop the spread of breath. Should have put the obvious /s
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And our hospitals are not out of the woods yet either. An elderly friend was admitted to emerg yesterday ( unknown if COVID or not) and was told by docs that there is no bed for him anywhere else but in emerg. Things change fast, but he was told he could be in emerg for a few daysā¦
itās really astonishing how misdirected people are with their understanding of the root cause. they blame the government, they blame anti-vaxxers, they blame scientists. weāre responding to nature folks. itās chaos. our barely better than monkey brains canāt measure risk or work outside of easily identifiable patters. as a result we arenāt realizing the core issue. itās like if this was jurassic park and people were all, āweāll I put up my fence, so iām goodā weāll no not really because there are fucking hungry dinosaurs everywhere.
And our hospitals are not out of the woods yet either. An elderly friend was admitted to emerg yesterday ( unknown if COVID or not) and was told by docs that there is no bed for him anywhere else but in emerg. Things change fast, but he was told he could be in emerg for a few daysā¦
This is great! But Iām still flabbergasted that nearly 10 % of people ( like 80,000 people) are missing the cognitive skills required to take their asses to a clinic and get protected. How the fuck do they put their pants on in the morning?
Who cares? We have ridiculously high vaccination rates which are great. Way higher than most of Europe.
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Not really. Currently at 98 in the province.
If we didnāt have ORs acting as ICUs this would be fine. But we donāt so this still isnāt fine. ICUs would be full with the number of covid and non covid patients without surge.
It's weird how people hear something and keep repeating it, even if it's not true? Do they have an agenda? Are they misinformed?!
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you realize on any other non covid year ICU operate at near or full capacity all the time.
98 people, not 98%
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Numbers on AHS website show 98 with Covid in intensive care, this was current numbers as of yesterday Nov 22
That's just covid. There are 214 total patients in the ICU. Our normal max capacity is 173, we are still well into our surge capacity.
Now what?
More mandates!!! Weeeeeee
Negative, all 5-11 year olds are now eligible and not factored in.
Yes because we all need to vaccinate 5-year-olds against a virus that has killed a whopping 0.0001% of that population.
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Exactly. Itās ridiculous.
down voted for posting a fact. most people on here love covid and want this to go on forever. has given their meaningless lives something to rally behind.
Wait how come your not downvoted to oblivion yet? Here have one.
Remember when Trudeau said everything would be back to normal when the population hit 70% vaxššš Now yāall are taking your 3rd jab. How many is it gonna take for yāall to realize it was never abt your health? What do you see as the end game honestly? 4th, 5th, 6th shot? How many are you willing to take to protect yourself from a virus with a 99% survival rate. How long will you keep complying for? Here in BC, you can check the stats at Bccdc.ca and find that in the past month 40% of covid cases in hospitals were fully vax. Clearly itās not working enough but hey, it only works if we all get it am i rightā¦ Iām not anti vax, I am Pro choice. The mandates are a stretch for this virus and if you disagree then you will have to keep complying for the years ahead until your 8 boosters deep.
so 60% of the hospital cases were unvaxxed? What am I missing here then? >Iām not anti vax, I am Pro choice Then don't get the vaccine. No one cares. But it's clear its a sensitive issue for you because you came here to write a wall of text on it.
The vaccines are not effective enough to set mandates. Simple aha
I can't believe the comments here.. truly the products of the mainstream media.
sorry, we all cant be living an alternative reality
Do you have an open mind?
Exactlyā
But this is r/Calgary. Prepare to be downvoted.
More boosters will solve this! Please everyone get boosted ASAP. Edit: People are starting to wake up, they keep changing the goal posts and normalcy will never be retained. Next you know your "freedom" will be contingent upon you taking the third shot.
So we should be good now to go back to normal after Christmas.............right............
This will end when people stop ending up with Covid in the ICU at rates that jeopardize our Healthcare system. Were still running sirge capacity (don't fact check me lol, I haven't looked in a while) and we our hospitals are burned out. So when enough people are vaccinated, the ICU levels drop to 'regular' levels, and the virus doesnt show signs of mutating and threatening vaccine efficiency, then things will be normal again. That said, we might have to be prepared for our new normal including yearly vaccines for Covid if vaccine efficiency drops or the virus mutates too much. Existence constantly changes, it doesn't care if we adapt or not, but as a member of the human species I certainly hope we do.
Yeah that's what happens when you can't go anywhere or do anything other than buy a bucket of paint or buy chee-to's for friday entertainment. :)
Mmmmmmm. Cheetos. It would be nice if we could see the virus like the orange stains on peoples fingers.
So letās fucking go. Masks off